00:00:55 <|amethyst> maybe the names could be different though 00:01:06 <|amethyst> s/different/more different/ 00:01:14 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:38 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:38 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 00:01:38 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-771-g53edcdb: Correct water nymph gender. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53edcdbca494 00:02:10 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-772-g6bed6dd: Correct waterport message when the nymph or victim is unseen (#7720). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6bed6dddd0d5 00:05:53 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:05:57 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-770-g009d3a2 (34) 00:06:05 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-770-g009d3a2 (34) 00:07:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: any idea what's going on in #7689 (DTEM trying to dig through stone)? I can't seem to reproduce it, and I'm not entirely sure it's actually trying to dig stone (but don't know why else it would be stuck there). It looking kind of like it dug diagonally, but why wouldn't it then walk though the passage it made? 00:15:08 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:18:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-772-g6bed6dd (34) 00:18:47 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:23 hmm so my git format-patch master created 5 patch files. how do i wrap it all into one file 00:22:56 Naruni: git format-patch master --stdout > foo.patch 00:24:41 reaver_: thanks 00:29:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:39:03 goblolo (L22 CeHu) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(f.mons.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 1599 failed. (Abyss:2) 00:39:31 Naruni: why would you want to do that 00:39:36 <|amethyst> !lm gobololo crash -log 00:39:37 No milestones for gobololo (crash). 00:40:07 <|amethyst> SamB: it's easier to upload, and easier for devs to apply in the correct order 00:40:08 Naruni: I guess maybe you'd want to do a "rebase -i" but I'm not sure what argumnts you'd want to give ... 00:40:19 |amethyst: oh, does that actually work? 00:40:41 <|amethyst> SamB: yeah, it's mbox format 00:40:48 cool 00:41:07 though mbox format is evil because there are several, all subtly incompatible 00:41:30 but since it's git at each end it's not such a big deal 00:42:11 <|amethyst> SamB: that, and git probably works with any mbox format that a Linux dev's MUA uses :) 00:42:26 <|amethyst> SamB: git am even supports Maildirs 00:42:45 <|amethyst> s/format/subformat/ 00:42:52 maildir is a lot simpler because it's easy to tell where the boundaries between messages are meant to be 00:44:23 <|amethyst> ^From\ is probably a reasonable boundary, though I guess there might be programs out there that don't do ^From -> ^>From 00:45:14 <|amethyst> oh, hm 00:45:24 <|amethyst> actually, git format-patch doesn't seem to do that 00:45:48 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-772-g6bed6dd 00:45:51 <|amethyst> so I have no idea what git am uses as a boundary 00:48:48 <|amethyst> (tested with git format-patch --stdout 38856ef^..38856ef ) 00:51:25 what does elliptic mean when he wrote "make autofight_no_move (also known as hit_adjacent) act as automagic_no_move when automagic_enable = true" 00:52:00 <|amethyst> Naruni: autofight already has an option that says "don't move" 00:52:18 <|amethyst> Naruni: there's no reason for automagic to have a separate option for that; it can just use the same one as autofight 00:53:14 ok so i guess ill just skip that one, last thing i need to address is his calcs for range, he says i should be using circleLOS range^2+1 instead of range^2 00:53:21 |amethyst: "git mailsplit" seems to do something totally retarded involving looking for a colon at one of two specific offsets within a From line ... 00:54:07 <|amethyst> SamB: you shouldn't insult retards like that :/ 00:54:08 and then making sure several surrounding characters are digits 00:54:17 yes you're right 00:54:23 SamB: i want to try to make a quality finished product, not a bunch of files required to make it work right 00:55:08 Naruni: if you're trying to hide the sausage, this technique won't realy help 00:55:13 er, sausage-making 00:55:16 <|amethyst> SamB: I wonder if that is legacy Linus code, or someone else... don't have a copy of the git git repo here to check 00:56:02 SamB: i guess i could make the patch files, create a new branch, apply the patches, then make a new format-patch for a one-shot? 00:56:35 Naruni: or you could use "git rebase -i" if someone will tell you what arguments to give it ... 00:56:50 <|amethyst> arguments? 00:56:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:57:16 <|amethyst> just use it interactively; it's relatively self-documenting 00:57:18 |amethyst: he seems to want to squash everything since master 00:57:38 <|amethyst> ah; git rebase -i master 00:57:58 <|amethyst> then follow the instructions (you want "squash" for all but the first commit probably) 00:58:38 |amethyst: yes, this whole is_from_line() function is legacy Linus code! 00:59:12 <|amethyst> SamB: time to switch operating systems I guess 00:59:17 not a line has been touched since he authored it on 2005-04-11 00:59:28 |amethyst: or just rejoice that he normally stays away from userspace 01:00:05 <|amethyst> yeah... I guess when you have to deal with idiot hardware vendors, things like that might be necessary 01:00:07 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:50 I was thinking more like there's not a whole lot of dodgy text formats that need parsing in-kernel 01:01:11 <|amethyst> SamB: I guess he probably doesn't write too many drivers these days either 01:01:33 git rebase -i master still creates 5 patch files 01:01:53 Naruni: it didn't pop up an editor? 01:01:59 yeah it did 01:02:09 <|amethyst> Naruni: did you change those lines from "pick" to "squash" 01:02:10 <|amethyst> ? 01:02:18 <|amethyst> all but the first 01:02:58 -!- stabwound has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:32 <|amethyst> you know, it seems a little strange for ely to destroy stones 01:05:18 you think they are just too pathetic for her to bother with? 01:05:33 <|amethyst> not that, large rocks too 01:05:35 imagine if she offerred to destroy pies 01:06:15 <|amethyst> they're not really inherently weapons 01:06:17 argh 01:06:17 <|amethyst> yes, like pies 01:06:47 what can you use them for besides destruction? 01:06:51 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:59 <|amethyst> SamB: building houses 01:07:09 you can do that? 01:07:11 <|amethyst> SamB: planting bamboo 01:07:58 hrm. Where is the ashenzari piety gain code? I'm having trouble finding it 01:08:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:08:54 -!- gammafunk_ is now known as gammafunk 01:09:00 <|amethyst> bh: look for DID_EXPLORATION in godconduct.cc 01:09:22 damn you git! 01:09:28 i just lost all my fucking work 01:09:41 <|amethyst> Naruni: did you delete those lines? 01:09:55 |amethyst: that should just abort 01:09:56 |amethyst: i did something stupid, not quite sure what it was 01:10:02 Naruni: anyway reflog 01:10:14 take a look at "git reflog" 01:11:34 Naruni: your work is PROBABLY still there 01:11:46 unless something ran git gc 01:11:50 which is unlikely 01:11:53 -!- bh has quit [Quit: thanks amethyst -- sleep] 01:12:13 Or deleted the branch. 01:12:28 no 01:12:32 well, I think it would have to be BOTH 01:12:56 or 15 days plus lost the commits from the branch plus gc 01:14:49 ok i am on master branch, up-to-date, why is my gitk showing automagic branch above master? it shouldnt be there 01:15:10 Naruni: why shouldn't it be there? 01:15:19 did you update the view? 01:15:25 because the other 20 branches ive been working on arent showing 01:15:32 updated/reloaded yes 01:16:10 you can go to the view menu and make a new view that will show all the local branches I guess 01:19:06 Naruni: but did you recover your commits? 01:19:13 SamB: yeah 01:19:31 but i can't format-patch from cli to one file 01:19:55 i can however make patch from gitk, that doesnt include all the format-patch info though 01:20:06 <|amethyst> git format-patch master --stdout > foo.patch doesn't work? 01:20:48 |amethyst: that does work, but that creates a whole mess of things from all my patch histories (add lines, modify lines, bla bla) that would be hard for anyone to really follow 01:21:11 why should i include 5 changes of one line when the end result is just what it is going to be 01:22:05 i wish i could combine commits into one commit 01:24:02 Naruni: we tried to tell you how to do that but you don't seem to have told us exactly what you did and what happened 01:24:21 SamB: i'm currently pulling my head out of my ass and reading about -i 01:24:39 ive found a webpage that explains it in terms i can understnad 01:26:04 what? you mean terms like Directed Acyclic Graph aren't crystal clear to you or something? 01:26:41 ;-P 01:28:44 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:18 -!- st_ has quit [] 01:29:46 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:30:13 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 01:35:23 probably as clear as leading edge of mean aerodynamic chord is to you 01:35:43 yeah probably 01:35:49 it's fixed anyways 01:36:37 so now i wonder why elliptic said i should be using range^2+1 instead of range^2 for circleLOS 01:36:56 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:38:00 I think it's something to do with 1-tile bumps at the edges with the latter? 01:38:42 Naruni: Is it possibly for Vehement? 01:39:27 reaver_: i thought about that, but vehumet's range is calculated into spell range before the lua range call gets made 01:39:40 s/range/range bonus 01:40:21 whatever the ACTUAL spell's range is after spell power and bonus and such, gets sent to the lua function 01:40:49 SamB: maybe, but shouldnt circleLOS be calculating all of that? 01:40:50 possibly also because that is what our normal LoS calculations use? 01:41:04 huh, dunno 01:41:45 well, but if you're passing in a pre-squared value I guess that's a low-level interface ... 01:43:20 !tell elliptic about 7488 (automagic): i made some of the changes you suggested. can you explain more on what you mean by automagic_no_move and also the circleLOS range calculation? 01:43:21 Naruni: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 01:44:43 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 01:50:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:42 !tell elliptic I figured out automagic_no_move. 01:53:42 Naruni: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 01:53:50 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-770-g009d3a2 (34) 01:56:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:58:38 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:02:09 -!- reaver_ has quit [] 02:02:22 cool, my work for tonight is done 02:02:30 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02:43 -!- Stelpa6 has quit [Client Quit] 02:03:19 if anyone has file editing rights on mantis would you please remove all patch files on 7488 except automagicv6.patch 02:03:29 thanks for the help guys, good night 02:11:19 ??simulacrum 02:11:20 simulacrum[1/5]: Powerful but easy-to-kill temporary ice copies of monsters. These can inflict massive amounts of damage if the player lacks cold resistance. 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It is infinite, after all 09:40:15 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:43:33 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:44:19 access to ecumenical temple is blocked in my present game by a teleport trap by skyspire 09:44:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:48:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:31 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:55 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:53:13 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:57:54 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:57 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 10:02:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:29 -!- Hosg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:18:07 -!- thelorax123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:21 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:21:25 -!- thelorax123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22:43 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:24:50 -!- thelorax123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:36:49 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 10:37:57 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:38:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-774-g9d0880a: Fix 0.14-a0-766-g558a4af - ziggurats were still asking for "dragon" 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d0880a04f25 10:42:29 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:44:05 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:46:13 -!- dsawwwwwww has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:49 Orb spiders take one step after being put to sleep by neil 10:49:41 |amethyst: it's not just orb spiders, that bug has been around for a long time on other monsters (but rarely) 10:49:59 if it happens reliably with orb spiders then that is interesting though 10:50:24 !bug 5099 10:50:25 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5099 10:50:28 <|amethyst> yeah, pretty much every single time 10:52:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:02 <|amethyst> marked 7724 as duplicate and added a note to 5099 10:53:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:56 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:39 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:56:19 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:44 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:56:52 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:58:47 <|amethyst> BTW, are elven leather armours now effectively the same as plain leather for non-elves? 10:58:58 <|amethyst> or does it make a difference with really low str? 11:00:55 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:04:48 |amethyst: I don't know about really low strength, but I don't remember normal leather affecting my spellcasting penalties noticeably on any character 11:06:12 <|amethyst> kryft: before the armour rescale it had a small effect on success rates; now it seems to have exactly zero effect 11:06:33 |amethyst: Yes, I meant after the rescale of course 11:06:53 It did have a noticeable (albeit small) effect before that 11:07:22 |amethyst: And yeah, that's been my experience: I've yet to see my fail rates budge on any character 11:07:28 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:14 I didn't bother calculating the size of the effect though. 11:08:28 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:56 <|amethyst> okay, with a 0-XP DEWz (4 str), conjure flame is 28% with the robe and 30% with an unracial leather armour 11:09:07 <|amethyst> that's the only spell in the starting book with any difference 11:09:38 <|amethyst> if I take str down to 2 there are more noticeable effects 11:13:51 0-XP DEWz, watch out for str drain 11:14:01 <|amethyst> ) 11:14:02 <|amethyst> :) 11:18:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-774-g9d0880a (34) 11:22:54 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:18 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:52 here are some Fo patches: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=h58DZHWP 11:27:17 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:27:20 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:30 -!- wwwwwwwwwwwdsasa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:28:22 buppy: a +2 exp mod is... something 11:28:31 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:51 bh: yeah, it's extreme, but I think it's worth testing 11:31:46 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:31:53 -!- Foonesh has quit [Client Quit] 11:32:31 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:34:12 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:35:20 Just give them more hp instead 11:35:25 !tell sd1989 Could you bzip ttyrecs on the server? ttyrec download is rather slow 11:35:26 greensnark: OK, I'll let sd1989 know. 11:39:05 hey greensnark. There was some talk of pulling the abyssal rune. Do you have any off the cuff thoughts on that? 11:39:36 -!- admin_ is now known as floatboth 11:40:20 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:20 I'm woefully out of touch with Crawl, so asking me balance questions isn't going to give you good answers :) 11:40:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40:43 I have no objections to yanking the abyss rune in general though 11:40:46 It was always a huge pain 11:41:01 !lg . max=urune 11:41:01 515. greensnark the Swordmaster (L27 HuPa), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 14 runes on 2007-11-18 13:17:11, with 2715778 points after 168043 turns and 21:29:39. 11:41:03 ^^ 11:41:30 +2 Exp aptitude? 11:41:32 Call me interested. 11:41:32 If it's gotten better since then, I'm not really qualified to judge any more 11:41:52 heh abyss has gotten a lot better over the last few versions :) 11:42:06 rchandra: yeah. It no longer throws people into lava 11:44:41 Throwing people in lava sounds like fun, I should try it 11:45:02 Now that there are mechanics in place that make obtaining the rune more reliable (lower abyss levels have increased chance of rune spawning), it doesn't make any sense to remove the rune 11:45:08 Well if ogres/octopodes ever get the ability to throw people, you might be able to! 11:45:54 Anything wielding a giant club should be able to use it like a baseball bat on a small creature 11:46:16 Ok, I shall put a lid on my valuable FRs :P 11:46:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:48 you know 11:49:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:35 having an effect alike to a 3-tile cleave that did the same thing as a fan of gales on the monsters that got hit 11:49:37 would be very cool for giant clubs 11:49:58 and actually give them a purpose other than being inferior to giant spiked clubs 11:51:04 greensnark: I want to make the abyss give you an exit after you've seen a certain number of tiles, rather than being generated at random on a per tile basis, which leads to a pathologically bad variance 11:51:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:02:44 Bloax: even just a 3-tile cleave would probably make them worth considering 12:06:24 ProzacElf: A 3-tile cleave would make them amazing. 12:07:16 true. 12:07:34 i was just thinking that the cleave + the fan of gales effect would probably be a bit too much 12:09:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:28 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:15:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:18:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:19:29 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:54 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:55 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:58 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:02 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:14 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:33:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:29 So.. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/Dwant.png 12:35:09 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:50:20 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:04 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:59:20 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:59:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:00:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:02:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:36 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:03:36 -!- gammafunk_ is now known as gammafunk 13:04:40 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:53 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:13:44 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:45 -!- bitsailor has quit [Changing host] 13:13:45 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:55 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:20:54 Quick questino 13:21:56 aliens 13:23:09 Are simulacrum supposed to work like summons pre-LOS nerf? 13:24:27 Lightli: I'm pretty sure that undead are suppose to keep the old behavior. Also, that's more of ##crawl question. 13:24:35 ok 13:24:50 I thought it was a bug 13:26:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:26:42 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:00 -!- eb has quit [] 13:31:51 !lm . crash - log 13:31:52 No keyword '-' 13:31:52 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:55 !lm . crash -log 13:31:56 44. MarvinPA, XL13 LOFi, T:19612 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/MarvinPA/crash-MarvinPA-20131103-123807.txt 13:32:17 oh, cdo isn't updated for the dragon fix 13:32:25 ??rebuild 13:32:26 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 13:33:04 kilobyte / Napkin: could you trigger a rebuild on cdo? 13:33:15 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 13:33:16 -!- Flex has quit [] 13:36:11 -!- mee1 is now known as mee 13:36:41 -!- mee is now known as Guest50112 13:42:04 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:42:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:46:01 <|amethyst> I think I can, let's see 13:46:15 <|amethyst> (I have permissions, just not sure if I remember how) 13:46:48 <|amethyst> building 13:47:21 thanks! 13:47:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-774-g9d0880a (34) 13:47:32 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/kilobyte/kilobyte, |amethyst,/ 13:47:33 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 13:47:33 oh that was quick 13:48:08 <|amethyst> ccache---nothing actually needed to be recompiled 13:48:15 ah i guess it was just vault changes, yeah 13:50:02 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:50:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:20 -!- Guest50112 is now known as mee 13:53:27 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:57:50 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:54 -!- eb has quit [] 14:01:26 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06:45 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:16 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:26 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:12:23 -!- Yigg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:51 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:01 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:18:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:59 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:01 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:36 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:23:31 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:41 bad grammar when clinging and moving into hazards by rchandra 14:42:17 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:59 -!- zoopp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48:12 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:51 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 14:51:27 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:24 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:31 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:06:50 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:06:59 Zin doesn't care about butchering Xtahua. by dck 15:07:59 -!- reaver_ has quit [] 15:09:43 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09:59 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:10:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:15:08 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:15:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-775-ge413633: Don't "cling into" dangerous clouds (#7725). 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e413633c0389 15:15:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-776-ge14b6fb: The dead are crawling! 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e14b6fbfc50b 15:17:22 hate stasis 15:17:25 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:18:14 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 15:20:16 mm i guess #7726 is true of all uniques that have an unintelligent genus 15:20:36 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: yeah, but there aren't too many of those with corpses 15:20:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:20:47 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: gastronok is the only other one I can think of 15:20:49 gastronok is the only other that comes to mind 15:20:50 yeah 15:21:15 what if the unique was polymorphed 15:21:20 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: as I mentioned in the comment there, we can't just go by name, because of the Lernaean hydra 15:21:30 <|amethyst> s/by name/by the presence of a name/ 15:21:48 <|amethyst> yeah, polymorph is an issue too 15:22:04 <|amethyst> and even if we did go by name, that would still let you eat xtahua chunks if you IOOD him 15:22:16 <|amethyst> since chunks don't have names at all 15:23:20 do corpses not store the monster type of the corpsed creature? 15:23:43 wait that doesn't help ... 15:23:47 the monster type is not intelligent though, just this particular instance 15:23:51 <|amethyst> I think only the species 15:24:07 <|amethyst> geekosaur: well, the monster type is MONS_XTAHUA 15:24:12 ah 15:24:17 <|amethyst> but the species isn't intelligent 15:24:18 but polymorphed things though? 15:24:19 Jurt (L27 OpWz) (Zig:1) 15:24:19 I was thinking species I guess 15:24:30 <|amethyst> !lm Jurt crash -log 15:24:31 1. Jurt, XL27 DsWz, T:98483 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jurt/crash-Jurt-20131018-173256.txt 15:24:43 but if it's not stored that's not really relevant 15:25:03 <|amethyst> !lm Jurt crash -log 15:25:03 2. Jurt, XL27 OpWz, T:158918 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jurt/crash-Jurt-20131109-212417.txt 15:25:41 <|amethyst> hm, segfault but looks ultimately caused by the dragon thing 15:25:43 <|amethyst> rebuilding 15:26:26 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:26:33 Jurt (L27 OpWz) (Zig:1) 15:26:54 <|amethyst> !lm Jurt x=tiles 15:26:55 2192. [2013-11-09 21:26:31] [tiles=true] Jurt the Archmage (L27 OpWz) ? (Zig:1) 15:27:44 huh, does the serpent of hell not drop a corpse anymore? 15:27:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-776-ge14b6fb (34) 15:28:09 <|amethyst> has corpse weight 0 and Z_NOZOMBIE 15:28:39 apparently butchering that is a sin if it actually dropped a corpse, which is neat :P 15:28:47 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:00 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: oh, Nellie is another one 15:29:05 <|amethyst> even if she doesn't really exist 15:29:06 aha 15:29:10 very important! 15:29:26 Nellie (13Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(133), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3375 | Sp: fire breath (3d40), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 15:29:26 %??Nellie 15:30:11 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 134-204 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(133), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3124 | Sp: fire breath (3d40), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 15:30:11 %??Hellephant 15:33:46 Maybe the hellephant in the elephant abyss rune vault could randomly be Nellie? 15:35:31 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:46 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:11 I would love to have Nellie in the abyss. 15:40:23 What is the best way to keep up on changes in trunk? 15:40:37 Read commit logs? 15:40:50 at least scan them, yeah 15:40:54 ^ yeah, that's what I do 15:41:14 Was wondering if the lair branch ends have been tweaked much 15:41:17 the changelog will have most relevant stuff eventually, but it's often a while after the update 15:41:25 Yea 15:41:40 <|amethyst> where "a while" might be several months 15:41:43 johnstein: just unique generation so far I think 15:41:49 I finally hit the rune lock 15:42:02 <|amethyst> we don't usually update the changelog until the release approaches 15:42:07 Going to clear Orc. Then probably swamp 15:42:37 Is there a portal from elf to hall o blades? Thought I read about that in the forum 15:42:45 Sounded really interesting 15:42:56 <|amethyst> johnstein: not in trunk currently 15:42:59 <|amethyst> I have a shell function to watch commit logs: http://s-z.org/neil/config/bashrc.html 15:43:05 Ty 15:43:06 <|amethyst> the gn() function there 15:43:14 I'm still hoping for a hell portal in elf instead 15:43:33 <|amethyst> it does git pull then git log -p --reverse on the new commits 15:43:41 I think elf3 to HoB would be a pretty gnarly way to bypass the rune lock 15:44:22 Why hell portal instead? 15:44:37 dang amethyst. You should make something that shows the current hash in your prompt at all times ;) 15:44:47 HoB is rubbish 15:45:03 well I like the rune lock as a lock, and the elves summon a lot of demons so they might be satanists 15:45:05 Rubbish? 15:45:20 yes. I'd like to see the whole branch cut 15:45:21 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:45:26 Ahh ok 15:45:56 The only reason I thought it would be interesting is that it makes it a high risk choice 15:46:50 bh: well, find a good blade and then cut the branch with it 15:47:30 SamB: if there is consensus (and I don't believe there is), I'd do it 15:47:46 I was suggesting you do that in-game if it's not clear 15:48:55 shucks. 15:49:11 I really like blade since it got bigger, but I'm pretty sure I'm a minority and not a dev 15:49:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:49:30 blade is like the hive of weapons 15:49:47 (if the bees could occasionally banish you) 15:49:53 I did not especially like hive. 15:49:58 except that blade is actually dangerous and also much shorter than hive 15:50:34 elliptic: the danger is fine. I just find the monster set to be 'meh' 15:50:37 I've never been there many times. too scary 15:51:07 * SamB checks if rchandra is a dev 15:51:10 bh: well, it's a single level and it's at least well-differentiated from any other level 15:51:42 SamB: I have one commit, IDing some items in a sprint 15:51:54 bh: are there not enough brands or unrands? 15:52:06 SamB: hm? 15:52:11 oh, in Blade? 15:52:19 what would make it more interesting? 15:52:31 monsters that aren't dancing weapons? 15:52:32 hmm, how come whips don't have constrict 15:52:45 bh: I think Elf would be more interesting with monsters that aren't elves in it 15:52:56 it's hard to keep squeezing somebody with a whip 15:53:04 hmm 15:53:08 entangle? 15:53:14 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:22 -!- quazi has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:22 elliptic: Elf has two types of monsters: elves and demons 15:53:30 sounds like a pain for tabbing 15:54:18 High-tier demons are straight-up death unless you do it late. 15:54:40 Low-tier demons are either not a threat or annoying as all hell. (Smokeqoxecs) 15:55:54 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:38 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:33 (I always thought the ideal solution for elf variety was to use "magical constructs" that can serve as paired exact opposites of elves, but current golems suck and the good elementals are already prominently used elsewhere) 16:00:05 What's this about Elf? 16:00:19 clearly merge HoB and Elf 16:00:33 or is that the wrong kind of magical construct 16:00:47 Hall of Blademasters 16:01:15 ...actually, how would a dancing weapon rod work? 16:01:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:04 combining the branches that people skip sounds efficient, sure, but not great for stopping either being skipped :P 16:02:29 I usually do elf on games I win to be fair 16:02:35 so the HoB entry can just go to ElfBlade:$ 16:02:42 are there figures on how many wins skipped elf/blade 16:03:03 Hell, just put a rune into Elf and everyone will start going there again 16:03:17 Ooh elfBlade 16:03:35 unknown monster: "dancing weapon rod" 16:03:35 %??dancing weapon rod 16:03:37 !lm * br.enter=blade ktype=winning 16:03:38 dancing weapon (06() | Spd: 13-19 | HD: 15 | HP: 16-54 | AC/EV: 17/18 | Dam: 14 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 928 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 16:03:38 %??dancing weapon 16:03:39 6465. [2013-11-09 19:00:08] Ponce the Conqueror (L19 LOHu) entered the Hall of Blades on turn 49426. (Vaults:4) 16:03:47 Dancing rods or wands sound fun 16:04:05 !lg * won 16:04:06 14980. Ponce the Conqueror (L26 LOHu), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-09 21:41:05, with 1504820 points after 90235 turns and 5:12:54. 16:04:10 Dancing darts that hurl themselves at you 16:04:15 I think that query counts correctly 16:04:20 Dancing needles of curare 16:04:20 dancing weapon stats should probably get a decent cut in ridiculous ac or ev and speed if they're going to be on more than one floor 16:04:55 So what's going to happen; we merge Elf and HoB into one branch? 16:05:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:31 why do we need to have conclusions made immediately without other dev input mister wants everything easily summed up 16:05:41 because impatience 16:05:44 sorry 16:05:51 * Lightli quiets down 16:06:00 besides rumours spreading 16:10:34 -!- shock_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 16:10:50 ...Now I want to see what would happen if you had a dancing weapon rod 16:10:50 tenofswords: I hear we're merging Pan and Slime 16:11:16 not. that. gullible 16:11:32 I hear a snake zig:27 is going to be just greater nagas 16:13:52 (tukima's dance and dancing weapon generation don't work with anything that needs evocations) 16:14:19 (also short of rather weakened randrods or using them as bosses that is absolutely ludicrious loot) 16:14:29 And probably not for missiles or ammo either, right? 16:15:38 tukima's dance works on rods 16:15:43 they just don't do much afterwards 16:15:56 that's what I meant by work, obviously 16:16:18 rod of sticks to snakes was also fun one but i hear someone ruined that 16:16:25 spectral weapon doesn't work with the pain brand, but I think tukimas does? 16:16:30 there is one particularly weird thing 16:16:34 dancing weapon (02() | Spd: 19 | HD: 15 | HP: 18 | AC/EV: 9/20 | Dam: 6 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 871 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 16:16:34 %??dancing weapon ; bow 16:16:38 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:01 they unwield themselves automatically and start using the base monster stats, and if anything kills it the game crashes 16:17:43 rchandra: Why wouldn't spectral weapon work with a pain brand 16:17:47 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:18:35 Lightli: I don't know, but I'm around 97% sure it does not 16:18:40 pain brand requires necro? 16:18:43 ??spectral weapon 16:18:44 spectral weapon[1/1]: Creates an allied spectral clone of your wielded weapon, which strikes enemies in melee when you do. Damage it takes is shared with you. Its offensive stats scale with your weapon skill, and its defenses scale with spell power. 16:18:50 spectral weapon (06() | Spd: 30 | HD: 27 | HP: 43-44 | AC/EV: 12/20 | Dam: 31 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 4074 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 16:18:50 %??spectral weapon 16:19:07 ??pain brand 16:19:08 pain brand[1/2]: Brand which inflicts 1d(necromancy skill) extra damage on necro out of necro+1 successful hits. Does not affect those with rNeg (demons, undead, unliving, shadow dragons, death drakes, holies). (For the record, a monster's necromancy skill is HD/2, HD if undead or demonic, 0 if mindless/animal). 16:19:17 oh 16:19:20 mindless 16:20:03 (also I still want some monster version of spectral weapon but whatever) 16:20:36 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:51 I like the implication that orc warlords have good necro skill 16:20:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:22:11 now you know where nergalle came from :p 16:24:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:24 would it be difficult to make apportation's default target the nearest item set for autopickup instead of the nearest item? (and to back to the nearest item if there's nothing around set for autopickup) 16:28:49 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 16:36:05 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:32 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:38:41 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:41:37 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:29 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:44:52 %git :/Elf:3 16:44:53 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-2526-gaa0373c: Replace Elf:3- with Elf:$ 10(4 months ago, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa0373c70c85 16:45:21 Elf:3 vs Elf:$? 16:45:29 Does $ mean branch end? 16:45:33 johnstein: yes 16:45:49 except with the G command, in which case it means "as far down as I've been" 16:46:05 Presumably to make it easier to change the number of floors in a branch? 16:46:19 I was wondering when the rule keeping elves from looting their treasure was changed back? 16:46:19 Oh 16:46:39 Can't reach through plants reliably as Fedhas worshipper by ledtim 16:47:09 %git 6e8ccac462d6 16:47:10 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-3154-g6e8ccac: Let monsters pick up Elf:$ loot 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 15+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e8ccac462d6 16:47:13 I was planning to make only half of the items in elf vaults be unpickable 16:47:20 but I could never decide which half 16:47:36 left half :) 16:47:45 (the *s or |s, i.e. worse or better halves) 16:48:02 make the elves able to use the really good stuff 16:48:40 that way we get stuff like a master archer using Piercer 16:48:58 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:25 tenofswords: the right half 16:49:25 ophanim: You have 61 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:49:43 woooooow 16:49:46 that's a lot of messages 16:49:58 minqmay and I are in love, we're getting married in may 16:51:58 high degrees of decisiveness present here 16:56:10 I think allowing already scary elves pick up items is bad. Also I find it annoying to have to check corpses and piles for items instead of generally ignoring them and just getting to the loot rooms. 16:56:10 ophanim: You have 62 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:56:14 Just my two cents. 16:57:18 obviously I will make it so that elves picking up loot or not is randomized 16:57:34 picking up and not using }s is the worst of both worlds 17:00:15 well, monsters using most }s seems inherently complicated 17:01:01 -!- SupermanBananaX_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:52 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:12:06 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 17:12:44 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:15:21 yeah. I just think monsters shouldn't pick up things that they can't use 17:15:27 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:27 -!- TacoSundae_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:04 elves picking up the left or right half arbitrarily was actually a serious suggestion, since it preserves the aesthetic of a treasure room 17:16:48 only picking up items when they can drop something would help too (like DEMA dropping longbow for piercer, etc) 17:17:20 well, that's why I was going to go for just * or |, because most elf maps space those out for every other tile and thus even if guys walked through it picking up stuff there would still be some treasure in a pattern 17:17:46 oh, neat 17:18:11 which is, of course, thus why I got stuck on which of the two 17:18:28 chosen randomly when map created! 17:18:32 pfffff 17:20:03 !tell ophanim How did you get so many messages? -- Grunt 17:20:03 bh: OK, I'll let ophanim know. 17:20:21 really, ophanim has nothing on eronarn 17:20:35 eronarn has like 80 last i knew 17:20:35 ophanim: You have 63 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:20:45 tenofswords: few of us have anything on eronarn 17:20:50 if only I could remember the way to look at henzell's stored messages for a given nick 17:20:50 over 90 now, I think? 17:21:01 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:05 oh right, I wanted to ask: gammafunk, what were you thinking about for portals for lair branches? 17:23:20 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Держи гранату, баклан!] 17:23:25 portals for lair branches? 17:23:43 yeah. You only get one chance to get the rune ;-P 17:23:44 tenofswords: Yes, working on some two-level portals 17:24:16 why? 17:24:19 will try to keep new monsters mostly as vault defines, but will be adding maybe a few player-species monsters as needed 17:24:34 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:24:55 hrm 17:25:31 themes for shoals are "water temple" and "sunken ship" 17:25:37 well, it makes sense to have new portals actually target the oddly sparse post-Lair/Orc area for portal vaults, 17:26:05 ignis (08*) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 6-12 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(4), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 2 | Sp: corona | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:26:05 %??ignis 17:26:08 personally I was thinking more of weird "mix together the lair branches you didn't get in a brief format" rather than invite more monsters or highly rare monsters 17:26:30 I'd like to start spawning this in the abyss, but it needs more HD for spellpower, but that would give it an inappropriate experience value 17:26:34 ignis (08*) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 69-110 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 826 | Sp: corona | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:26:34 %??ignis hd:10 17:26:42 so like a portal to a small shoals vault accessible from swamp? 17:26:44 can you not, uh, change the xp evalulator 17:26:57 something like that, yeah 17:27:08 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:12 ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 611: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) 17:27:12 %??lost soul 17:27:18 It has no attack 17:27:50 "%??lost souls" is probably never going to work considering how %??monster works 17:28:42 I think if portals place with not too high frequency, no reason why we couldn't have both branch-specific portals and something like a "post lair portal" 17:29:09 * tenofswords shrugs 17:29:21 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29:36 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 17:29:54 honestly I'll probably just make a complete one and get some feedback, since talk is cheap and I'm still a pretty new vault maker 17:30:13 ignis (08*) | Spd: 12 | HD: 5 | HP: 33-60 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 162 | Sp: corona | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:30:13 %??ignis hd:5 17:30:29 -!- Porost_ is now known as Porost 17:31:07 what does 'post lair portal' mean? 17:31:35 johnstein: see tenofsword's description above. 17:31:40 mid D, late D, vaults, elf, crypt [also forest I think people forgot to make bazaars and junk appear in those] 17:31:43 -!- oneeyedjack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:32:24 ??bolt of inaccuracy 17:32:24 bolt of inaccuracy[1/1]: Deals good damage at Evocations level 0 - 27. You can line up several nasty monsters and blast them down all at once (irresistable damage!). Especially good with a corona-type effect like Sunlight or TSO halo to make it more accurate. 17:32:58