00:00:30 MarvinPA: yeah, I was thinking both 00:03:56 I'm going to bed. If you come to any conclusion, do !tell me. I have a strong preference for keeping the abyssal rune. Even if it means toning down the difficulty to Vaults-level 00:04:17 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:04:33 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:05:34 abyss isn't even harder than vaults though... 00:05:53 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-664-g14990cb (34) 00:06:06 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-664-g14990cb (34) 00:14:02 -!- giantbat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:03 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:15:45 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-607-gc3d485b (34) 00:17:22 elliptic: would you mind taking a look at my automagic code (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488) and letting me know if you think it could be included? 00:18:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:48 sure, sorry I never got around to looking at it earlier 00:21:28 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:26:44 -!- jiero has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 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It's the rune branch most different from any other, thus most interesting. Improving it would be ok, of course. 07:57:57 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 08:04:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:08:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:09 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:10:15 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10:26 -!- HeAM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:11:22 -!- zrot has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 08:12:05 Abyss is only terrible due to its love of hell hogs, neqoxecs and smoke demons. 08:14:28 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:14:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:17:53 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:17:59 neqoxecs hell yeah 08:18:14 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:20 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:04 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:58 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:39 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:23:41 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:23:55 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:24:05 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:24:10 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:34:03 Crash while attempting to auto-travel from the Ecumenical Temple to the Swamp by TheGreatEd 08:34:04 -!- dondy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:37:00 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:38:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-671-gce6eb1e: Use --gdb for automated runs of the abyss bot. 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce6eb1ef5395 08:41:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-672-ge3b759f: Give a debug message when calc_hp() changes something. 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3b759ff711a 08:41:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-673-gcbffeea: Don't let spirit shield stop non-hp deaths. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cbffeeac4c05 08:43:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-674-gcf950f9: Drop an unused quote. 10(80 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf950f9022d4 08:43:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-675-g98651f9: Automated brace fixes. 10(80 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98651f969fa4 08:43:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-676-g9c199eb: A manual update via the wiki. 10(65 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c199ebd5f80 08:48:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:49:08 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:50:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:59:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:21 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:01:23 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:02:19 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:07:32 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:41 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:55 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:11:01 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:53 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19:02 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:17 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 09:37:12 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 09:38:24 -!- _dd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:04 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:08 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:40:58 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:47 -!- Nstar is now known as Nstar-Zzz 09:47:58 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-572-g1c77122: Set formicid MP to average. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c771228a3d5 09:47:58 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-573-g38ac950: Revert "Make dig carve-out more adjacent tiles to player." 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38ac950b50fa 09:47:58 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-574-g9b8bc94: Revert "Increase digging loudness." 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b8bc9438e8b 09:53:04 Leaving inventory while in a shop removes shop interface by CKyle 09:53:40 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:32 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:02:02 kilobyte: thanks for applying those patches. are dwants ready for trunk? 10:03:27 I think so, there are some issues but they can be fixed in trunk 10:03:45 like, say, weirdness with loudness of self-shafting 10:04:28 -!- nonethousand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:39 are they still able to self-shaft on d:14? 10:05:56 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:05 !tell elliptic thanks! 10:06:06 Naruni: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 10:06:06 wheals: no rune lock in the dwants branch yet, so yes 10:07:39 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:36 should I merge master into their branch? or anything else I could do to help? 10:09:03 no need 10:10:34 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:10:50 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:11:07 alright. do you have a time estimate of when they'll get merged? 10:14:10 -!- Matejii has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:36 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as Tux[QBSODSSUCK] 10:19:47 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:47 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Changing host] 10:19:47 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:53 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:20:24 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:24 -!- bitsailor has quit [Changing host] 10:20:24 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:26 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:26:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:30 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:31 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:36 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:37:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:50 -!- greensna1k is now known as greensnark 10:45:32 buppy: I don't understand why an exoskeleton would grant extra hp (rather than just hp). Wouldn't it be simpler to increase the base? 10:48:30 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:49:39 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:51:43 ...heh, bug: blowguns usable while reciting. 10:52:00 bladders 10:53:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:57:28 Grunt: by mummes or everyone? 10:58:02 mummy of zin??? 10:58:09 i doubt blowguns are usable by mummies while reciting >.> 10:58:11 kilobyte: everyone. 10:58:47 ??mummy[3 10:58:51 mummy[3/7]: Mummy PCs do not need to eat food to survive. They also resist necromantic and cold attacks, are immune to poison, but vulnerable to fire. Also, they get permanent necro magic enhancers at xl13 and 26. Lastly, they cannot drink potions, change form or go berserk. According to syrion, PC mummies use bladders for firing blowguns. 10:58:59 I guess everyone uses bladders now? <_< 10:59:03 !lg * race=mu s=god 10:59:04 138027 games for * (race=mu): 104523x, 8375x Sif Muna, 7512x Xom, 4240x Trog, 2801x Yredelemnul, 2169x Kikubaaqudgha, 2120x Makhleb, 1530x Okawaru, 1494x Nemelex Xobeh, 1123x Vehumet, 1098x Lugonu, 670x Ashenzari, 337x Cheibriados, 35x Jiyva 10:59:32 hmm... was syllogism's MuPa hell splat removed? 10:59:54 kilobyte: by base do you mean the -2 number? 11:00:14 kilobyte: that game just hasn't ever shown up in !lg for some reason, just !lm 11:00:19 !lm syllogism mupa 11:00:20 30. [2008-01-03 08:05:17] syllogism the Farming Worldly Agent (L20 MuPa) entered Tartarus on turn 834509. (Tar:1) 11:00:28 !lm * mu zin 11:00:29 No milestones for * (mu zin). 11:00:39 !lm * mu tso 11:00:43 30. [2008-01-03 08:05:17] syllogism the Farming Worldly Agent (L20 MuPa) entered Tartarus on turn 834509. (Tar:1) 11:01:15 buppy: possibly that, or as something additive (like that mutation does currently) 11:01:18 * geekosaur is vaguely amused by mu^tso 11:02:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:39 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 291 seconds] 11:03:19 kilobyte: additive is what I wanted, but I didn't see a way to explain the extra HP to the player without using a mutation 11:03:25 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 11:03:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Client Quit] 11:03:48 why would a species have an additive boost to HP? seems like unnecessary complication 11:04:22 it made the earlygame much better (before they had +3 AC, like gargoyles) 11:04:29 yes HP makes early game better 11:04:44 this is true for other species true, should we give Op extra HP too? 11:04:47 s/true/too/ 11:05:26 extra AC would be more consistent with other species, yes 11:06:21 Te could also use some extra HP, its early game isn't good 11:06:26 it would probably copy Gr too much, as Fo already get an AC bonus 11:06:44 kilobyte: we have lots of species with a single-time AC bonus at start 11:06:59 or a growing AC bonus 11:07:00 priests and poison were really difficult for them, while anything else was harmless due to their AC 11:07:26 extra HP at the start at least allows them to survive poison 11:07:27 what I'm unhappy about here is merely listing this bonus as coming from exoskeleton 11:08:00 it could be called "robust exoskeleton" I suppose 11:09:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:09:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 11:14:06 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-575-gbfecef2: Remove a strange check. 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfecef21dba0 11:14:06 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-576-gf87b22a: A typo fix. 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f87b22a447ab 11:14:06 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-577-gacaead0: Reword Formicid short description. 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acaead0da828 11:14:06 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-578-ga9cff30: Inline the exoskeleton hp bonus. 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 2+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9cff306efd3 11:14:06 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-579-gd02ecf8: Reword another case of "sense of stasis". 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d02ecf8f1701 11:18:13 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:12 Identify weapons of holy wrath that repel a curse by chris 11:19:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-676-g9c199eb (34) 11:20:15 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:23:15 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 11:25:36 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27:05 thanks for the fixes, kilobyte 11:27:23 well, we're not finished yet 11:27:23 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:27:35 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-580-ge317eff: Drop some pointless braces. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e317eff64e82 11:27:35 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-581-ged4c75b: Don't even list Shaft Self in ZotDef or single-level sprints. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed4c75b69af0 11:28:42 have more recent versions changed the orc mines to reduce the amount of "islands" that show up? 11:28:51 i kinda enjoyed hunting those down 11:29:14 it seems like nowdays you can reach everything with just the three white staircases 11:29:27 rast: yes 11:29:31 awwwo 11:29:38 there are still lots of islands 11:29:42 just not as many as before 11:29:46 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 11:29:58 in particular you can always get to orc:4 just by going straight down 11:30:01 i liked it when you had to check all the trapdoors 11:31:40 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:00 -!- sVherid has quit [] 11:34:14 <|amethys1> rast: but then you could end up unable to leave unless you have digging or a few teleports 11:34:46 i dont think that ever happened to me. or maybe i always had the digging 11:35:03 |amethys1: well, there was supposed to always be a way out by taking > (stairs or hatches) to orc:4 11:35:16 if that was a problem, i would have prefered to fix it by always putting in a teleporter or a trap door if an island was created with no exit 11:35:30 but this didn't work perfectly 11:35:32 rather than dumb down the structure 11:36:10 meh, let's just fix the rest in trunk 11:36:12 is this ok? 11:37:07 are scrolls of brand weapon more common than scrolls of vorpalize were? they need to be, but it seems like they aren't 11:37:20 is the source code to the sequel bot available anywhere? 11:37:35 rast: why would they "need to be"? 11:37:49 ??sequell 11:37:50 because you want to use mutliples to try to get the brand you want 11:37:50 sequell[1/1]: A bot for game statistics. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt 11:37:57 hrm, thought it was in there 11:38:00 bitsailor: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell 11:38:04 wheras before you could maybe use two all game. usually one 11:38:12 oh right, it is :) 11:38:15 I guess the biggest reason was that you hardly ever used a single scroll of vorpalize per game 11:38:17 ah, thought that was just henzell 11:38:18 thanks 11:38:22 rast: "want to use multiples" does not mean we "need" to increase rarity 11:38:36 it's just power creep already 11:38:38 kilobyte: i play centaurs a lot so i nearly always ended up using exactly one 11:38:48 no need to let people select their exact brand by using 10 scrolls 11:38:55 it doesnt have to be 10 11:39:05 i didnt say "make them as common as scrolls of remove curse" 11:39:18 even with just 1 it is strictly better than vorpalise 11:39:24 why precisely should we also give you more 11:39:25 no. 11:39:28 not for ranged 11:39:35 the new version is pretty bad for ranged since certain brands reduce your damage to zero against certain enemies 11:39:59 doesn't it always make unbranded weapons vorpal? 11:40:04 uh 11:40:05 elliptic, yes. 11:40:10 oh, my mistake 11:40:46 well, i guess if the intent was that you'd use it to try to turn certain brands into other brands, its kinda a failure for ranged 11:40:57 right, that's a problem with ranged brands though 11:40:58 since youd never want to risk turning your initial vorpal into a flame brand 11:41:04 yes 11:41:21 ah, so henzell, sequell use an SQL database to get their information...?? 11:41:35 bitsailor: sequell, not henzell 11:41:49 they live in the same repository for historical reasons only really 11:42:10 ok... is the database updated in real time with new player's games? 11:42:45 games played on online servers should get into sequell's database within a few minutes, yes 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1583-g2211e5f: Create Formicid species and monsters. 10(5 months ago, 52 files, 907+ 122-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2211e5ff2f25 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1584-g0f4a723: Increase digging loudness. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f4a723449ff 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1585-g1fedd61: Lessen the noise of self-shaft. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fedd61ece7a 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1586-gacff605: Mention that shafting takes turns when being used. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acff6051fd36 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1587-ga43c2ad: Mention that Formicids can wield 2h with shield. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a43c2ad78f90 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1588-gcf7f88e: Imporve formicid ability descriptions. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf7f88e15e97 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1589-gf54b9d3: Give SPELL_DIG to orc sorcerers. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f54b9d3befec 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1590-g588dc4c: Add a formicid monster vault. 10(2 months ago, 1 file, 32+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=588dc4c0cfb1 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1591-g7b4c43a: Add some placeholder formicid tiles. 10(2 months ago, 6 files, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b4c43a7361f 11:43:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-1592-g5f151d0: Remove the delay of formicids removing helmet. 10(2 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f151d035007 11:43:01 ... and 31 more commits 11:43:03 well, if the intent was that players would enchant up [brand they dont want longterm] and rebrand it later 11:43:09 thats kinda a failure since you find so few scrolls of rebranding. you cant risk it 11:43:42 is there any way to get read access to the database? 11:43:42 rast: well, the change wasn't really made with ranged in mind 11:43:54 what is the intended use for melee? 11:43:58 I think people agree that ranged brands need an overhaul 11:44:07 s/brands/combat in general/ 11:44:12 yes that too 11:44:39 rast: using it as a possibly risky way of improving a weapon? 11:44:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:46 its an awful risk 11:44:51 ... 11:45:01 |amethys1: I guess we don't need the current experimental branch any more <_< 11:45:12 are there melee brands that you really hate that much 11:45:14 when you use it on unbranded it has the same effect as before 11:45:37 you probably dont use it on a weapon you like the brand of, for the risk it could get worse 11:45:49 yes, you use it on a weapon you don't like the brand of 11:45:53 ^^ 11:45:55 and if you use it on not your main weapon, that wepaon probably has less enchants anyway 11:45:55 I thought that would be clear :P 11:46:01 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:46:10 often your main weapon doesn't have your ideal brand 11:46:16 or you haven't enchanted much yet 11:46:30 odds are you havent even found a scroll of rebranding by then 11:46:49 well if you already have a brand you like then why are you complaining? 11:47:13 in some games it will improve protection -> electrocution or some such 11:47:34 if you already have a vamp exec axe, don't use it (unless you are about to do extended in which case do use it I guess) 11:47:41 well, because the old version you could use it to fix a brand you wanted 11:47:50 <|amethys1> rast: you can still do that 11:47:54 <|amethys1> it still fixes temp brands 11:48:02 oh. huh 11:48:08 <|amethys1> (except for the god-only ones) 11:48:12 so this is strictly an improvement? 11:48:14 even with just 1 it is strictly better than vorpalise 11:48:23 ok, i withdraw my complaints 11:48:26 yes, as I said... power creep :) 11:48:59 uh, an unid'ed one could strill screw you over i guess. 11:49:14 but your fualt for reading the lone unied scroll when you've already ided like 15 other types 11:49:14 using it is optional 11:49:19 you select a weapon 11:49:21 you can press escape 11:49:26 oh, ok. 11:49:37 gosh so much power creep :) 11:49:58 weapons OP, allow only uc 11:50:15 and spells. because those arent OP 11:51:17 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:56 oh, can i make a request for ranged weapons? 11:52:05 when i use up a stack and it switches to another stack 11:52:21 please dont switch to arrows of dispersal unless its the only one left 11:52:30 i know theres something i can inscribe to do this, but its a pain 11:53:05 better defaults would be nice 11:53:18 likewise with crossbow bolts of piercing. those are too valuable to waste 11:54:00 you can get that behavior yourself by putting those stacks on later letters in the alphabet (say, 'Z') 11:54:25 hmm. ok, that's somewhat easier. 11:54:42 * Grunt apologises in advance if merging master into dungeon-split spams here again... 11:54:47 so does it jump to the easliest stack, or the closest one following the current stack? 11:54:47 generally selecting a new stack in quiver just works using alphabetical order a-zA-Z 11:54:53 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-726-g40202f7: Merge branch 'master' into dungeon-split 10(8 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=40202f768f01 11:54:53 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-727-g3942a65: Make D sixteen levels (elliptic, ontoclasm). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3942a657ba5a 11:54:53 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-728-g6f95b56: Allow higher-tier giants to place as D OODs (tenofswords). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f95b56831a7 11:54:56 *earliest 11:55:15 DOODs! 11:55:17 earliest 11:55:20 ahok 11:55:22 elliptic: it might not be so hard to add autoinscribing =f to dispersal items to the default rc, though 11:55:37 wheals: yeah 11:55:47 honestly I don't even know what =f does 11:55:50 if that still lets you manually quiver it, just not autoquiver 11:56:00 yes, iirc that's what it does 11:56:03 thanks again kilobyte and |amethys1 for helping with dwants! it really made my day. 11:56:12 imo autoquivering automulch ammo is a bad idea 11:56:23 for dispersal at least that sounds good, yes 11:57:33 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 11:58:01 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:14 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:26 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:35 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:25 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:36 -!- SkaryMonk1 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fonts-dejavu-core rather than ttf-dejavu. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6083fd54b26b 12:24:59 03kilobyte02 07[debian-trunk] * 0.10-a0-3001-g2a1d831: Fix unrand tile mismatches between architectures. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a1d8317fde6 12:28:29 -!- eMagenta has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:55 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:58 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:49 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-717-gc32513d 12:44:46 -!- LoremIpsum_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:08 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 12:48:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:28 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:56:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:59:52 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:05:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:10:27 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:46 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:13:33 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 13:15:12 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:14 -!- Karagy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:15:36 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 13:17:08 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:41 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:54 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:26:24 -!- wizzzargh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:30:23 Would it be possible to make lua that would set force_more conditional on player XL? So that I'd get force_more for the appearence certain ranged monsters based on XL <= N. 13:31:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:28 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:38 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:02 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:18 -!- Firentis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:38:41 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:41:59 gammafunk: via force_more no, via some script yes 13:42:12 kilobyte: on it 13:42:16 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42:26 kilobyte: Ok, thanks for the pointer 13:42:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:42:37 -!- work__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:27 CLAN apparently delegates its rebuilds to qemu running on a raspberry pi (judging from compilation speed), so CDO would be nice for newest shinies :p 13:44:37 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 13:44:56 seriously... a hour of building, and it's on l_dgntil.o, something is horribly wrong 13:45:34 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:47:07 fixed, kilobyte 13:47:09 thanks 13:48:06 it would be an issue tomorrow during the scheduled rebuild, too 13:48:09 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:48:10 Napkin: <3 13:48:40 it was stuck since yesterday 13:48:50 really wondering what makes it stuck... 13:49:07 unacceptable 13:49:16 maybe ssh got stuck? 13:49:39 this was stuck: git --bare remote update --prune gitorious 13:49:49 which called this: git fetch --prune --multiple gitorious 13:49:58 which in turn called this: git fetch --append --prune gitorious 13:50:29 may I start a build to get me shinies, or would you prefer the source dir untouched for now? 13:50:41 nono, unrelated, go ahead 13:51:19 a transient problem shouldn't block subsequent updates 13:51:23 maybe i should set a timeout for the ssh connection if possible? 13:51:51 isn't there one already? 13:52:05 default values of openssh - maybe there isn't 13:52:23 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-717-gc32513d (34) 13:54:19 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55:29 there is... ConnectTimeout (no default value, according to man ssh_config), ServerAliveInterval (0, 300 if BatchMode), TCPKeepAlive (yes) 13:56:27 heh... i'm not using ssh to connect to gitorious :D 13:57:03 it's using git:// protocoll 13:58:21 does anyone understand chk_lua_save? it's supposed to be possible to use this to make lua data persistent through saving and reloading, but it doesn't actually seem to work 13:58:25 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:37 by which I mean that gearset.lua doesn't work (it is the only thing I know of that uses this) 14:04:05 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:09:18 -!- tali713_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:31 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:34 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:34 -!- oddshocks has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09:34 -!- Kalma has quit [Quit: *_*] 14:09:34 -!- lavos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09:34 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09:37 -!- Kalma_ is now known as Kalma 14:09:37 -!- tali713_ is now known as tali713 14:10:08 it looks like chk_lua_save and gearset.lua were added by greensnark a very long time ago 14:10:47 don't we already have a way to save persistant lua data? 14:11:11 SamB: a different way? 14:11:36 or, wait, I guess it may not actually be lua data particularly 14:15:31 !tell greensnark any guesses as to what might have caused chk_lua_save to stop working (e.g. in gearset.lua)? 14:15:32 elliptic: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:16:10 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:20:52 -!- vansteen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:37 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:44:56 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:37 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 14:56:54 Jellies no longer breed by ledtim 14:57:47 perhaps they need tax benefits to encourage reproduction 14:59:08 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:45 -!- Goncyn has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:18 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:03:56 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-718-gd008b17: Stop spam about stasis when wearing a cursed ring of teleport as a Fo. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d008b17890de 15:04:24 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:42 so when's cszo getting updated with ant people 15:05:29 -!- xFleury has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:05:36 -!- xFleury_ is now known as xFleury 15:05:52 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:39 Lightli: triggered a rebuild 15:06:57 BTW, clan is at throw.o 15:07:30 so it looks like my suspicions about raspberry pi appear frighteningly close to truth 15:08:32 which ones? 15:08:42 raspberry pi? 15:08:49 does this mean I shouldn't bother getting a storage medium for the one I have on loan? 15:09:18 Lightli: little tiny computer, a bit better than armel but not quite armhf? 15:09:25 oh 15:10:12 with non-free drivers/etc. for at least some multimedia stuff 15:10:35 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-719-g19ea242: Don't give Formicids free curing 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19ea242a6900 15:10:35 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-720-g135fbeb: Give Formicids normal antennae 10(2 hours ago, 19 files, 21+ 120-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=135fbebd5d38 15:10:35 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-721-g5b5c7e5: Re-implement ABFLAG_DELAY, use it for self-shaft ability 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b5c7e557eb3 15:10:35 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-722-gc60660a: Revert "Negate swiftness with stasis." 10(77 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c60660aeeb46 15:10:50 <3 15:11:15 rip helmet ants 15:11:27 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:10 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-718-gd008b17 (34) 15:12:31 -!- Wahaha has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:50 obviously now make all antennae retractable 15:16:00 -!- Tux[QBSODSSUCK] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:06 wait 15:19:10 we have 27 species now 15:19:26 what species do we execute to make way for the ants 15:20:05 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:20:28 (Dj) 15:20:32 * geekosaur thinks djinn could stand being moved into experimental 15:21:00 fr djwinnts 15:21:21 Lava djwinnt statues 15:21:23 there 15:21:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:22:07 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-718-gd008b17 (34) 15:22:18 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:51 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:23:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:25:29 -!- work__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:30 winnt? Ouchie. 15:25:50 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:22 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:28:08 -!- Brokkr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:52 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30:16 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30:29 -!- Goncyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:30:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:12 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-717-gc32513d (34) 15:33:00 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:21 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: ophanim] 15:39:23 ... yay. Around three hours. 15:39:40 * kilobyte fires up his raspi to benchmark the build. 15:39:52 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:12 -!- work__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:44:23 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:43 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:55 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:46:03 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:49:19 MarvinPA: I understand the antennae change, but why the curing and swiftness? 15:49:20 buppy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:50:04 -!- Wizzzargh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:53:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:54:21 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:56:12 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:23 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:03:45 he explained a little bit in the commit messages 16:05:11 -!- qwyjibo has quit [Client Quit] 16:06:18 Number of turns clear bug by Thrall 16:06:45 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 16:06:50 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:37 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:10:20 -!- Shazbot has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:21 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-723-g9599b19: Don't mark a number of items as "emergency" for Formicids. 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9599b19c72f4 16:17:27 kilobyte: is wand of hasting still marked as emergency for them? 16:19:32 not after that commit 16:20:51 oh, i missed the fall-through 16:20:58 right 16:21:53 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:57 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:23:46 -!- rdx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:19 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:26:17 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:27:29 the "centaur pack with arrows of dispersal" vault in the abyss is amazing if you can actually use the arrows yourself 16:27:42 i gained almost 100 16:27:49 -!- [1]rdx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:28:11 might be too strong, should probably nerf it down to just a few arrows for each centaur 16:28:22 Swiftness is still marked as unmemorizable. Should I allow it, or remove all other ways for the insect to become swift (Xom, card)? 16:28:39 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:56 "The antennae on your head can retract." 16:29:16 is cszo still a few commits old or is the description wrong? 16:30:14 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:23 -!- bisonbisonbison has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:05 description wrong apparently; cszo was updated right after the patch went in 16:31:22 the description is ok 16:31:37 if you got a version with that description, your antennae can rectract 16:32:18 also the description of lorcs in the manual still mentions speed changes, btw 16:33:09 kilobyte: IMO remove other ways for them to swift 16:33:14 -!- zoopp has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33:29 -!- oddshocks1 is now known as oddshocks 16:34:26 geekosaur: that update was triggered before the patch went in, building takes some time (even on CSZO) 16:34:36 ah 16:34:43 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 16:34:44 still weird why wind from the back shouldn't affect them, though 16:36:21 -!- rossi_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:25 ooh, i still have the free curing too 16:37:37 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:59 hmmm, do I put the summary on mantis and the by-vault notes in the commit, or vice versa 16:41:13 -!- alchemist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-724-g54aa884: Potions of slowing and paralysis are merely useless for Fo, not bad. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54aa88495328 16:41:46 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42:28 wait, stasis stops swiftness? 16:42:29 ??stasis 16:42:30 amulet of stasis[1/1]: Blocks teleport, blink, haste, slow, berserk, finesse, and paralysis. Gives you some (possibly yellow) contam and cancels the status if you put it on while hasted or slowed, or while waiting for teleport. 16:42:39 Lightli: no 16:42:41 oh 16:42:52 it does on the servers currently but it won't after the next update 16:43:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:43:10 so what's this about making fo not able to do so 16:44:36 why does it block finesse then 16:45:12 because it's weaponhaste? 16:45:14 I don't know 16:45:45 -!- ark_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:46:06 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 16:47:29 Yes, but unlike swiftness which doesn't get affected because oogaboogamagic, finesse is an actual god power. 16:48:29 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:49:22 IMO stasis blocking finesse is weird; the idea with finesse is that oka is making you much more skillful in using your weapon 16:50:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:12 like, past L27 sometimes? 16:50:24 It makes less sense than stasis blocking swiftness. 16:50:30 yes... giving you divine skill or something 16:51:14 He's giving you a shot of overpowered just to tease you about your mortality. 16:51:27 okawaru has 0.1 attack delay with the dark maul 16:51:33 the messages make it sound like a magical/divine effect 16:51:40 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51:47 -!- eb has quit [] 16:52:07 on the other hand, berserk appears to be something purely non-magical 16:52:23 well it's not like teleportation is natural 16:52:45 Stasis blocks speed changes. 16:52:59 Like being hurled across a long distance in an instant. 16:53:12 paralysis probably too, but since all paralysis in the game is induced by magic (except maybe potions), this can kind of be waved through 16:53:25 needles 16:53:26 You getting mad as fuck isn't exactly magical. 16:53:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53:36 oh, needles, right 16:53:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:50 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 16:55:29 Clarity preventing berserk also confirms that it is indeed physical. 16:56:18 maybe we should just have stasis block all status effects period? 16:57:45 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:01 (although I'd definitely be up for making berserk not affected by stasis) 16:58:10 * Lightli wants to run FoBe 16:58:27 you aren't scared of FoBe? 16:58:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:52 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:58:59 FoBe is actually really good without berserk 16:59:02 * kilobyte sics a bunch of MuBe and GhBe at you. 16:59:12 (and by good I mean not terrible) 16:59:15 *Be is actually really good. 16:59:31 (i guess you have to be Grunt for puns to be instantly recognized) 16:59:33 !lg * MuBe won 16:59:34 28. MorganLeah the Slayer (L25 MuBe), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-10-05 20:06:39, with 1352564 points after 109381 turns and 7:44:10. 17:00:07 No fobias here 17:00:39 Well I can't imagine regeneration from D:2 and onwards being anything but very good. 17:02:33 hey, chei, wake up 17:02:49 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:04:24 hm, FoBe should probably be recommended combo and FoMo should not be 17:04:27 not a big deal though 17:05:50 in all honesty, *Be should be recommended for literally everyone 17:06:28 hebe, go 17:06:58 Lair branch end vault edits by Claws 17:08:42 speaking of bugs, can someone fix that annoying bug that puts a > into the very end of the link? 17:09:03 i think that's a bug in your irc client 17:09:12 -!- Empty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:21 oh 17:09:24 Could someone unlock my save on webtiles? 17:09:34 * 1/11 chance of the Lernaean Hydra in most of the swamp ends. 17:09:52 how many endings does it show up in normally? 17:09:53 <|amethyst> Empty: what server? 17:10:15 crawl.s-z.org 17:10:28 why is there maprot in the abyss? 17:10:30 Empty (L3 DEIE) (D:2) 17:10:38 <|amethyst> Empty: there you go 17:10:38 Yup 17:10:41 Thanks! 17:10:42 (or in labyrinth, for that matter) 17:10:46 hrm? the abyss *changes* 17:10:48 its so unfun 17:10:51 labs also change 17:11:09 geekosaur: the fact that it MIGHT change is not justification for removing the map IMO 17:11:29 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 17:11:35 Also what is newer development wize? Trunk or 1.3.0? 17:11:41 trunk 17:11:46 regular dungeon changes sometimes too (boring beetles etc) but we dont have maprot there 17:12:10 the abyss also, uh, constantly recenters the map onto the player for the infinite plain to work 17:12:30 still doesnt need to maprot 17:12:35 all development takes place on trunk; every so often it gets branched and the branch becomes a release 17:12:45 removing lab maprot sounds like it could either make it much better or much worse 17:12:48 just saying it'd be more awkward than just flipping a switch 17:12:49 not so close by, anyway. maprot 100 squares away is fine 17:13:10 the map is literally 80x70 17:13:24 I think of it this way re abyss: it's an un-place. anything in LoS is your attempt to comprehend un-being. anything outside of LoS does not exist 17:13:30 fine. then dont maprot it 17:13:35 ... 17:13:39 and yet it does exist 17:13:50 if i map it out on graph paper, walk away, and walk back 17:13:54 its going to be 90% the same 17:13:55 the theory doesn't work well for being chased 17:14:01 more or less, depending on how long im away 17:14:55 0% the same if you walk in a direction for 40 squares and turn back 17:15:29 heh. but much closer to 100% if i duck in an closet to heal for 40 turns, then duck back out 17:15:36 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:55 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:34 by 40 I mean 30 17:16:53 would it be acceptable if the maprot only happened when you moved 17:17:09 im ok with the abyss changing. the problem is the maprot 17:17:28 why is my guy forgetting the abyss 9 squares away 17:18:13 because the abyss 9 squares away has forgotten your guy 17:18:51 testing says the rough average is 25, mmmm 17:18:54 <|amethyst> some of it is that it hasn't been adjusted for the more stable current version of the abyss; some of it is that it would leak information about how close you are to the edge 17:19:18 what edge? i thought i was constantly being recentered 17:19:33 said edge being avoided through being re-centered 17:21:11 <|amethyst> not constantly, but only when you get near the edge 17:21:24 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:22:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:23:48 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:24:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:25:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:26:07 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27:50 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:58 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:38 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:38 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 17:33:38 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:33:47 <|amethyst> greensnark: I added a commit on CAO's cao-new henzell branch to add formicids and remove the obsolete skills 17:34:07 unknown monster: "formicid" 17:34:07 %??formicid 17:34:31 <|amethyst> tenofswords: starting a rebuild now 17:36:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:24 <|amethyst> is unique_ptr allowed when foo is an incomplete type? Old gcc is complaining about it, but just as a warning 17:37:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:52 <|amethyst> oh, right, that's really auto_ptr 17:43:50 formicid (03a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 16-40 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(21) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 90 | Sp: b.dig, 04esc:shaft self | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:43:50 <|amethyst> %??formicid 17:44:00 formicid drone (08a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-68 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 294 | Sp: b.dig, 04esc:shaft self | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:44:00 %??formicid drone 17:44:04 As cliche as this is getting. 17:44:05 formicid venom mage (06a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 22-52 | AC/EV: 3/8 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(37) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 336 | Sp: b.venom (3d12), poison arrow (3d14), cantrip, stone arrow (3d13), b.dig, 04esc:shaft self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:44:05 %??formicid venom mage 17:44:18 Do formicids ever get more levels of their exoskeleton? 17:44:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-725-g9aaf361: Fix missing formicid zombie settings. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9aaf3619705a 17:45:21 unknown monster: "formicid zombie" 17:45:21 %??formicid zombie 17:46:26 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:47:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:48:47 formicid scions, formicid necromancers 17:49:06 formicid dwants 17:49:44 deep dwants 17:50:19 all in the new dwanten halls branch 17:51:03 "hill" branch could alternate with "hive" 17:55:26 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-726-g75656b8: Don't leak information about underwater items to lua. 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=75656b843fdc 17:57:57 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:58:09 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:04 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:27 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:34 so, uh, monsters with an emergency shaft self spell. 18:00:14 -!- Guest62734 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:03:57 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 18:08:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:10 -!- gnsh has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:08:44 -!- nam_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10:23 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:12 -!- eb has quit [] 18:16:35 -!- Empty has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: if I load an old save, &~S and &~A both crashe in _get_nearest_level_depth -> _find_parent_branch 18:16:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: may be related to 7705 18:17:03 <|amethyst> s/crashe/crash/ 18:18:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, even &~L crashes 18:19:07 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:21:19 -!- Snufkin_ is now known as snufkin_ 18:21:26 -!- snufkin_ is now known as Snufkin 18:22:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:26:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and &~D 18:26:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: (all this is from D:1) 18:27:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:31:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:31:20 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, even stranger: Upgraded the game from 0.14-a0-594-g0ab4eda to 0.14-a0-724-g54aa884 18:32:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so the save is post-6a31aa9 18:33:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it happens with a brand-new game if I save and restore 18:34:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but not on CSZO 18:35:54 <|amethyst> trying a rebuild in case it was a makefile problem 18:38:23 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:55 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:48:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:20 -!- Yermak has quit [Client Quit] 18:57:43 <|amethyst> nope, still crashes here (32-bit) 19:00:35 <|amethyst> ah, valgrind reports an invalid read 19:00:46 <|amethyst> have to go for a bit, but I'll look into that when I'm back 19:01:14 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:06:30 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 19:06:45 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:18:43 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 19:22:30 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:27:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:38:50 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:00 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43:40 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:22 -!- myrmidette has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:48:08 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:32 -!- Karagy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:49:50 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:52:55 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:55:19 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:25 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:51 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:09:47 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:11:34 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:14:35 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:15:04 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:15:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:54 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:21:20 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:50 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:22:45 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: giantbat] 20:27:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:28:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:35:12 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:35:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: okay, I think I've fixed it, and a few related issues. There were several pieces of code that assume parent_branch() returns the usual parent rather than the parent in this game. Probably there are still more 20:37:46 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: But my solution might not be completely correct when the topology changes, so I'd appreciate a look 20:39:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-727-g26f33bf: Fix a crash on interlevel travel (#7705). 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26f33bf2d36d 20:39:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-728-g259fcac: Restore "Branch not generated this game" prompt. 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=259fcac8a0cb 20:39:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-729-g81f5e10: Fix wizmode returning from a non-existent branch. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=81f5e101725d 20:40:12 * tenofswords whistles 20:44:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:49:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:39 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:16 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:51:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:54:43 Formicid shafting and nets. by dck 20:59:05 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:25 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:55 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:55 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:55 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:27 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:05:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:25 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:09:54 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:42 -!- daftfad has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:30 so did you guys come to a conclusion on what stasis should block? 21:12:15 -!- fungee has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:13:09 -!- Zhukov has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:47 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 21:18:03 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:27 hai 21:19:28 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:19:30 !messages 21:19:31 (1/1) kilobyte said (13h 21m 34s ago): a big fat +1 to not removing the Abyss rune nor crippling the Abyss. It's the rune branch most different from any other, thus most interesting. Improving it would be ok, of course. 21:19:41 !seen kilobyte 21:19:42 I last saw kilobyte at Wed Nov 6 23:48:47 2013 UTC (3h 30m 54s ago) saying 'formicid scions, formicid necromancers' on ##crawl-dev. 21:21:17 * tenofswords continues to whistle 21:22:12 what's up HM? 21:25:08 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:25:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:28:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:29 bh: crate found some "open sea" in abyss 21:31:50 elliptic: yeah. That'll happen very, very rarely 21:31:54 weyrava the Anemomancer (L27 TeAE) (Lair:2) 21:32:32 it is intentional then? it seemed confusing to have a single square of that surrounded by normal water and land... 21:32:40 !lm * crash -log 21:32:41 5670. weyrava, XL27 TeAE, T:108700 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/weyrava/crash-weyrava-20131107-033153.txt 21:32:56 OH 21:33:09 sorry. I was confusing "open sea" with "a lot of water" 21:33:15 Open sea should never happen. 21:33:33 bh: am waiting on someone to notice/comment/push a patch of mine 21:33:36 it looked like it had happened by copying part of a shoals level 21:33:45 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:51 tenofswords: link 21:34:01 elliptic: that sounds about right. I'll have a look at the code 21:34:04 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 21:34:54 tenofswords: can you break this into 4 commits? 21:34:57 the first time I tested out the newest abyss stuff the floor had guardian mummies and plain mummies, so I think it's pretty pointless as is until more discretion is involved 21:35:03 rast the Crack Shot (L20 CeCK) (Snake:5) 21:35:16 tenofswords: well yes. Grunt is working on fixing the monster picker 21:35:59 I'll split it up into 3, the shoals stuff is sparse in comparsion 21:36:14 I am/ 21:36:15 ? 21:36:40 of course people might be a little distracted by rune lock 21:36:58 (this is why I am furiously working on dungeon-split) 21:37:20 just a little 21:37:31 tenofswords: just one for each branch. If we need to rollback or something, I want to make it easy 21:37:40 fiiiiiiine 21:39:53 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:40:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:43:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:30 -!- gregunderscorem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:49:05 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-730-g57ef5c7: Veto more terrain types in abyss level generation. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57ef5c744ef2 21:49:09 have updated https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 with split-up-by-branch patches 21:49:49 ...I suppose a layout_cross could produce lava sea 21:50:49 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-729-g81f5e10 21:51:25 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:55:41 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:50 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:58:19 tenofswords: ok. it'll take me a little while to review these and make sure nothing crazy happesn 21:58:47 fair enough 21:59:01 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:02:14 !tell tenofswords Please use `util/checkwhite` 22:02:15 bh: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 22:03:33 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:41 bh: unfortunately "git commit" doesn't tell us about these things :-( 22:03:48 only "git am", afaik 22:03:56 SamB: yes it does? 22:04:03 use a commit hook 22:04:08 well okay if you do that I guess it does 22:04:10 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:04:39 but "git am" tells us about some things even if we were too lazy to set that up 22:06:59 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-731-g61a3687: Swamp end edits 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 224+ 215-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61a36874f951 22:06:59 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-732-ge335dfc: Snake end edits 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 155+ 158-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e335dfc8ea4a 22:06:59 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-733-gd6f0222: Spider end edits 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 157+ 154-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6f022299180 22:06:59 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-734-gdf5ae8e: Shoals end edits 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 37+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df5ae8eb8c78 22:12:08 |amethyst: CAO webtiles looks wedged again :/ 22:13:05 * Grunt discovers a bug in tags.cc related to adding new branches, huh. 22:13:17 (working on save compat for dungeon split, and it is *ugly*) 22:18:28 thanks Grunt 22:18:38 ? 22:19:14 Grunt: fixing shit 22:20:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:21:15 -!- y2s82_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:21:47 * ontoclasm ponders what the Depths stairs should look like 22:21:58 what color are they? 22:22:12 what would the expected behavior for dungeon split save compat even be? 22:22:35 what happens if your save is on D:25 or something? 22:22:44 wheals: you end up on D:25. 22:22:48 ontoclasm: LIGHTGREEN right now. 22:22:54 (it's a portal in the vein of the Zot gate) 22:23:00 -!- ezbz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23:27 does it change based on whether it's open? 22:23:30 Vithe the Spear-Bearer (L12 MiBe) (D:13) 22:23:34 Right now, no. 22:23:40 -!- kekekela has quit [Client Quit] 22:23:41 hm 22:23:44 <|amethyst> de-wedged 22:23:47 -!- kekekela_ has quit [Client Quit] 22:23:47 Grunt: so would there be no Depths, or what? 22:23:48 maybe i should redraw the zot gate, finally 22:23:53 wheals: correct. 22:24:02 that does sound ugly 22:24:18 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:34 i guess you really don't want to give up on save compatibility, then 22:24:56 wheals: basically I need to have a copy of the old D monster table on hand for the sole use of games that still have a 27-level dungeon, and a lot of hacks to get abyss/hell/pan portals to generate properly. 22:24:56 surely the dungeon breaking in half is a reasonable place to break savecompat 22:25:03 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:15 i'd just break it, but there are lots of reasons i'm not on the devteam of a project as big as this one 22:30:11 hmm, hold on ... 22:30:31 save compat for this almost has to be nasty 22:33:19 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:41 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:42 when was the lsat save compat break? 22:33:42 times of yore 22:35:27 crawl's save compat is completely absurd 22:35:49 like, most games break save compat every vaguely significant patch 22:37:14 crawl's like "your race and class got removed, and you're on a floor of the dungeon that doesn't exist anymore? no probs" 22:37:31 "enjoy your +0 banded mail of orc-slaying" 22:39:31 yeah 22:40:18 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-735-g7a693da: Ensure evokable abilities get breathing room next bump 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a693da18fa2 22:44:28 The last save compat break was just after 0.11 branched. 22:44:41 ...prompted by me being an idiot, more or less. <_< 22:45:18 * Grunt verifies that this compiles, and makes another small tweak while he's at it... 22:45:39 Would anyone consider giving powers to the runes? 22:45:52 The serpentine rune, for example, could give rPois 22:46:15 so if not for an accident, the save compat would be going for over three major versions? 22:46:17 damn 22:46:53 wheals: compile 0.11, make a character, then 0.12, load it, and so on :) 22:47:03 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:47:34 Grunt: wasn't there one which was soon rectified recently? 22:47:42 SamB: hmm? 22:47:52 i.e., can't we still read version 33 saves 22:47:57 We can, yes. 22:48:24 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-729-g8b82b68: Save compat for pre-dungeon-split. 10(13 minutes ago, 7 files, 257+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b82b68d389f 22:48:24 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-730-ge182456: Pick Depths water monsters from a table, like D. 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 18+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1824560240e 22:48:24 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-749-g69e764f: Merge branch 'master' into dungeon-split 10(5 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=69e764ff03c6 22:48:27 there have been several quickly corrected slips 22:49:31 interesting idea, mf and op monsters spawning naturally? 22:49:47 I've thought about having Op spawn in Shoals too. 22:49:51 (somewhere I have a patch that does that) 22:49:56 geekosaur: yes, but one was seemingly intentional but still corrected 22:50:10 i like the vault with them 22:50:13 HAT VAULT 22:50:16 ??hat vault 22:50:17 I don't have a page labeled hat_vault in my learndb. 22:50:21 ??cap vault 22:50:21 I don't have a page labeled cap_vault in my learndb. 22:51:11 is there a character limit for Singing Sword utterances? 22:51:35 i know this has been suggested before, but when you have ID'ed all but one type of scroll, and you find an unid'ed scroll, it should auto ID 22:51:44 ditto for other item classes 22:52:14 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:49 so, somebody in ##crawl mentioned this a few days ago 22:54:08 how has the distinct-monster count in crawl changed over the past few versions? 22:54:20 It's been growing pretty rapidly, IIRC. 22:54:26 i can think of a handful that got removed, and quite a few new ones 22:54:38 (todo: remove more monsters) 22:55:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:56:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:57:32 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:13 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:01:41 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-736-g2a71271: Database: More content 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 84+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a712717ef16 23:05:14 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:10:26 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:12:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:15:25 git commit -m "Database: Less content" 23:15:41 Zannick: :-P 23:15:54 "Add database fixes." 23:16:04 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:16:10 * Grunt ponders who to get to look over the dungeon-split hackiness. 23:16:19 "Fixes ad database." 23:16:36 Things are basically in a state where if people are satisfied it's working correctly and doesn't break too much stuff, I'd consider landing it. 23:19:28 All of the ... grunt work ... is out of the way; it's basically fine-tuning and adjustments from here on out, and that's better handled in trunk where we can get good feedback on it. 23:22:41 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 23:23:02 (random idea: have those formicid monsters spawn in Spider) 23:23:46 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:23:58 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:39 -!- bitsailor has quit [Client Quit] 23:26:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:26:25 Grunt: I like it 23:26:26 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:26:29 !messages 23:26:30 (1/1) tenofswords said (9m 2s ago): if I do so, will you preserve my carefully crafted commit messages 23:27:21 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:27:33 !tell tenofswords I have no clue what `git am` did with the messages. dammit. 23:27:34 bh: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 23:28:42 Grunt: do you think I should just revert those patches so we can get them reapplied with correct commit messages? 23:29:06 ...that is a terrible use of a revert. 23:29:29 Grunt: That patch in mantis with some vault tweaks has a truly epic commit message 23:29:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:40 in terms of length at least 23:30:08 I think it's an OK use of revert 23:30:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:30:54 I'm going to make my next commit message have a preamble, word from the author, table of contents, an index, and an appendix 23:34:51 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-737-g8c87c45: Revert badly merged vaults. 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 548+ 573-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c87c453f4db 23:35:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:43 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-738-g78ee134: Minor monster additions to a couple of Lair branches. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78ee134b51da 23:38:40 bh: where are the properly-applied patches? 23:39:05 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:39:11 SamB: here they are unapplied: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 23:39:21 am and apply are giving me a hard time 23:39:23 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:39:25 ah 23:39:39 am is the one you'd be wanting, I believe ... 23:39:54 yeah. It discards the commit messages 23:40:38 whatever. I'll do it with reword 23:40:50 let me try ... 23:41:09 I think the "Highlights:" line is causing problems 23:41:18 hmm 23:41:45 ah, probably it is 23:41:49 so carry on then 23:42:01 yep. That's it 23:43:30 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:44:39 Nos the Shield-Bearer (L4 GrFi) (D:3) 23:44:39 avis the Pacifier (L8 DjHe) (D:6) 23:44:39 Disco the Cruncher (L11 GrSk) (D) 23:44:52 That can't be good. 23:45:07 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:08 !lm * crash -log 23:46:09 5674. avis, XL8 DjHe, T:5311 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/avis/crash-avis-20131107-054439.txt 23:46:27 perhaps more hung tilesockets 23:46:39 -!- rax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:44 uh oh! 23:46:54 rip caomaster 23:47:09 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:20 longlive caochamp! 23:47:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:49:06 |amethyst: run "cat /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_{default,max}" on CAO, will you? 23:49:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:41 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-739-gd131b1c: Swamp end edits 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 224+ 215-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d131b1cb6d7a 23:49:41 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-740-gee54e6c: Snake end edits 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 155+ 158-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee54e6c3f072 23:49:41 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-741-g074c749: Spider end edits 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 157+ 154-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=074c749307ae 23:49:41 03HangedMan02 {bh} 07* 0.14-a0-742-g1425151: Shoals end edits 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 37+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1425151f730c 23:50:02 !tell tenofswords You need to leave a blank line between your commit subject line and the full description, otherwise it won't apply correctly 23:50:05 bh: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 23:50:09 Chernop the Grappler (L10 TrMo) (D:10) 23:50:27 hmm, yes, that might work too 23:50:34 but I think the colon was confusing things 23:50:47 chimera (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison++, 12drown | XP: 914 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 23:50:47 %??hydra-hydra-yaktaur chimera 23:50:47 since it looked too much like a pseudo-email header 23:51:13 ^ Gunt: should that be the Abyssal stair guardian? 23:51:54 ??cao 23:51:55 cao[1/2]: Main Crawl server, located in Tucson, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 23:52:00 ??cao[2] 23:52:01 cao[2/2]: Webtiles is at http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/ or http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ 23:52:01 unknown monster: "5-headed hydra-5-headed hydra-yaktaur chimera" 23:52:01 %??5-headed hydra-5-headed hydra-yaktaur chimera 23:54:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:54:32 chimera (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-95 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | evil, !sil | Res: 06magic(52), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown | Vul: 08holy | XP: 913 | Sp: pain (d14), haste | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 23:54:32 %??hydra-executioner-hydra chimera 23:54:58 chimera (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | evil, !sil | Res: 06magic(52), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown | Vul: 08holy | XP: 913 | Sp: pain (d14), haste | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 23:54:58 %??hydra-executioner-executioner chimera 23:54:59 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:55:15 * bh weeps quietly 23:55:55 kilobyte: or do you have access to cao? 23:58:12 !tell |amethyst you may find the SO_RCVBUF and SO_SNDBUF stuff in socket(7) of interest? 23:58:13 SamB: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 23:58:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:58:46 !tell |amethyst in particular, try comparing those /proc things between the systems, and maybe try changing the ones on CAO ... 23:58:47 SamB: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 23:58:55 SamB: get it to proc? 23:58:56 <_< >_> 23:59:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]