00:00:51 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:01:01 <|amethyst> nothing is out of topological order or anything like that; it's just unexpected 00:01:15 yeah i've seen that too just today, i think 00:03:54 ...I've never seen that? 00:06:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-585-ga8b4f1c (34) 00:06:14 |amethyst: i don't know, i'll check 00:06:27 <|amethyst> ackack: I didn't see it when I searched for Cerebov 00:06:54 i have a fix for that compiling, no need to mantis it (thanks for the reminder) 00:06:54 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: how are non-nagas prevented from getting breathe poison? 00:07:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:34 |amethyst: in physiology_mutation_conflict() i think? 00:07:56 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: we have a real build problem, which is that when a header is removed you have to manually make clean, or at least remove the .d files 00:08:17 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: oh, I see, it was already there 00:08:28 yeah, unnecessarily i guess since it had 0 rarity 00:08:44 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: yeah, I was just looking at the patch, and thought the rarity was what prevented it before 00:08:53 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: is this something you're pushing soon? 00:09:11 <|amethyst> I ask because I have a commit I'm ready to push, but will wait if you're about to 00:09:22 <|amethyst> no chance of conflict 00:09:32 -!- slifty has quit [Client Quit] 00:09:34 nah i'll be a minute or so, my compile is slow :P 00:09:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 00:10:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-586-g2535b90: Don't make rF++++ better than rF+++ versus Cerebov. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2535b90fef49 00:10:46 ohh i see, hah 00:11:01 i meant for the cerebov thing also 00:11:10 <|amethyst> ohh 00:11:19 <|amethyst> I misread you 00:11:27 <|amethyst> "I have a fix for (that compiling)" 00:11:39 <|amethyst> i.e. the Makefile thing 00:11:41 aha 00:11:54 nah, that's way beyond my understanding :P 00:12:17 <|amethyst> maybe your fix is better anyway 00:12:34 they're identical :) 00:13:15 <|amethyst> sorry about that :) 00:13:27 heh, not a problem 00:14:01 <|amethyst> And I know that buffing pan lords will never come back to bite me in the ass 00:14:12 <|amethyst> because that would involve me encountering pan lords 00:14:35 <|amethyst> s/pan/fixed &/ 00:14:45 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:19:40 haha, i'm used to thinking of rF in game terms 00:19:48 i see rF-- and think "two levels, huh" 00:20:43 <|amethyst> I should have said --rf 00:20:49 <|amethyst> that way it's unambiguous 00:20:59 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:56 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:25:07 that would be the background "rope fighter" 00:25:17 as if, horf, hill orc rope fighter 00:25:22 <|amethyst> Yee-haw! 00:26:28 <|amethyst> Don't forget the deep elf role-player 00:28:51 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:31:45 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:49 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:34:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:48 derp? 00:36:49 -!- Croesus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:41:53 |amethyst: you busy tonight? i need some help squashing this spectral weapon bug 00:47:05 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-587-gabf5573: Another randart name. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abf557338004 00:48:20 he can't be TOO busy 00:48:36 <|amethyst> Naruni: I'm not up for much longer... _tag_follower_at is what is supposed to set it 00:48:46 <|amethyst> the MF_TAKING_STAIRS flag that is 00:49:01 |amethyst: ok ill look into it, thank you 00:51:42 <|amethyst> What's the problem exactly? 00:51:59 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:52:12 -!- LogicNinja_ is now known as LogicNinja 00:52:13 once you change a level, spectral weapons get their target messed up and revert to 0,0 00:52:21 battlespheres do too 00:52:49 <|amethyst> I'm not clear on how they'd go to the next level if they don't have that flag 00:52:53 but battlespheres poof on purpose when you change level so same bug but no one gets affected 00:53:26 <|amethyst> wait, do you mean ones that follow you or ones that don't follow you? 00:53:37 the ones that follow you up/down stairs 00:53:52 <|amethyst> that poofs battlespherers? 00:53:55 <|amethyst> s/rer/re/ 00:54:36 <|amethyst> battlesphere follows me just fine 00:54:45 <|amethyst> without expiring 00:55:05 yeah, files.cc line 1100 00:55:22 i'm recompiling since some of the recent pushes this may have been fixed 00:55:52 <|amethyst> Naruni: that line only happens if the monster was left behind 00:56:07 ASSERT(val.type != SV_NONE) in 'store.cc' at line 1373 failed. 00:56:07 ASSERT(val.type != SV_NONE) in 'store.cc' at line 1373 failed. 00:56:07 Writing crash info to morgue/crash-lkhwr-20131102-225441.txt 00:56:07 Aborted (core dumped) 00:56:10 <|amethyst> since if it was grabbed it won't be in the menv array anymore 00:56:18 i just got that from trying to take a battlesphere upstairs 00:56:28 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:31 darn 00:56:40 Naruni: try a make clean ... 00:56:41 -!- rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:56:50 k 00:57:06 <|amethyst> and if you're using ccache, clear the cache 00:58:18 i had mixed up my branches, did some work in master 00:58:43 i pay dearly for these mistakes, my cpu is so slow 00:58:47 there must be something wrong with the makefile ... 00:59:14 while my i7 is sitting next to me powered off 00:59:16 Naruni: I had to rebuild for similar reasons ... I didn't clear the cache, but maybe my cache is too small anyway ... 00:59:29 <|amethyst> Naruni: oh, only if they were targetting a monster before 00:59:38 SamB: i removed my cache size 00:59:41 <|amethyst> Naruni: if they were targetting you they're fine 00:59:55 if it still doesn't work back out that patch of mine ... 00:59:56 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:59:59 <|amethyst> SamB: kilobyte did a make clean and it still didn't fix it 01:00:11 darn. it seemed to work before ... 01:00:15 <|amethyst> SamB: his problem was related to player 01:00:50 <|amethyst> SamB: (which didn't have any direct packing changes, but does contain some item_defs) 01:01:22 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/torches.png 01:01:24 I'm not sure how we've screwed up the dependencies here 01:01:24 oops 01:01:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 01:01:35 <|amethyst> SamB: but clearing ccache fixed it... which makes me think it was a ccache bug 01:01:46 hmm, point 01:02:00 well, UNLESS I'm confusing ccache ... 01:02:13 <|amethyst> Naruni: I think it's not related to that flag 01:02:31 <|amethyst> Naruni: I'm not 100% certain 01:02:47 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:50 Naruni: I have no idea why you wouldn't see that problem before you tried to do that, but it definitely sounds related to something I just changed 01:02:53 !seen grunt 01:02:53 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:02:54 <|amethyst> Naruni: they each have various places where it sets their target to you if they don't already have one 01:02:54 I last saw Grunt at Sun Nov 3 05:03:54 2013 UTC (58m 59s ago) saying '...I've never seen that?' on ##crawl-dev. 01:02:56 !messages 01:02:57 (1/1) dpeg said (8h 4m 49s ago): re: spell schools. I absolutely support the principle (for example, Nec has a nice self-damage component) but I'd suggest to do this on a spell-by-spell basis. 01:03:31 !tell grunt After a recent trip to the abyss, I think your level picking code needs an update. It was feeding me Jackals on Abyss:4 01:03:32 bh: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:03:56 |amethyst: you told me yesterday (or the day before?) to surf through tags.cc and i was just getting ready to debug through marshall_follower 01:04:43 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:05:59 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-587-gabf5573 (34) 01:06:49 !tell dpeg Alright, I'll take a look at our stable of spells and see if there's anything we can jazz up 01:06:50 bh: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 01:07:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:08:34 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:26 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:48 12 minutes to compile from make clean 01:11:24 Naruni: working better? 01:11:40 SamB: yeah the battlesphere followed me downstars 01:11:58 I meant, none of that nonsense about SV_ 01:12:08 however, it's target is still 0,0 but at least it is not running away 01:12:14 yeah its fine 01:12:58 ok these bugs got fixed i am now wasting brain power here 01:13:43 i guess i'll just play for a little bit 01:14:04 hehehe 01:14:49 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:52 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-588-ge06bfaa: Shift some D tiles; add recolored floor for low D 10(2 minutes ago, 10 files, 26+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e06bfaaf8641 01:15:55 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:15:55 i really like this patch i just pushed 01:16:11 D:27 is creepy as hell now 01:17:42 !calc 27-14 01:17:42 13 01:18:23 yeeeeessss 01:18:35 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-587-gabf5573 (34) 01:18:44 i made torches doubly common on D:14 and D:27 01:19:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:53 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:30:14 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41:18 -!- just3boyz has quit [] 01:41:58 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:31 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-588-ge06bfaa 01:51:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:31 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:24 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:06:14 -!- Dalvant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:13:30 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:17:02 -!- melllvar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:18:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:46:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:48:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:51:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:51:41 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:15 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:15 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-586-g2535b90 (34) 01:59:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:03:20 -!- rbthor2 has quit [Client Quit] 02:05:08 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:08:29 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:20:01 do random pan lords always just "hit" you? 02:20:07 as opposed to other verbs? 02:23:55 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 02:24:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:09 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:37:42 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:47:53 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:31 -!- dg_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:48:53 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:51:12 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 03:03:29 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:09 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:35 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:09:36 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:11:23 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:14:13 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:15:13 -!- Nex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:17:29 -!- UseBees_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:17:30 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:17 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:21:25 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:37 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:31:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:46 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:38:45 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:41:33 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:44:45 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:38 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 04:02:41 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:09:46 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:11:37 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:19:48 !tell bh that's what picking D:1 is supposed to result in, yeah. I guess there's no escape from hand-crafting the Abyss_depth:levels table. 04:19:49 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:20:51 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:24:27 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:32:56 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 04:34:53 rvm (L22 MiGl) (Abyss:1) 04:36:15 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:38:46 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:41:53 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:46:23 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:17 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:26 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 05:01:09 -!- GuraKKa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:15:06 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:18:30 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:46 Quite some measure done to D yesterday :) 05:18:46 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:18:49 !messages 05:18:50 (1/1) bh said (5h 12m ago): Alright, I'll take a look at our stable of spells and see if there's anything we can jazz up 05:19:09 * dpeg scratches head 05:19:29 !seen Grunt 05:19:30 I last saw Grunt at Sun Nov 3 05:03:54 2013 UTC (6h 15m 36s ago) saying '...I've never seen that?' on ##crawl-dev. 05:26:58 Grunt: looks like you made an off-by-one error: current pre-lock D is 14 levels, and that came only after a debate where the middle level should go 05:27:23 (not that a single level makes a big change, of course) 05:29:32 kilobyte: the commit message looks as if this was intentional 05:41:51 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:44:20 -!- eb has quit [] 05:50:11 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:06:34 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-589-g7047b33: Shorten branch enums. 10(5 minutes ago, 43 files, 230+ 230-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7047b33b2768 06:06:36 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 06:29:02 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:29:48 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:08 MarvinPA (L13 LOFi) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 352: cloud black smoke in stone_wall at (12,44) (Lab) 06:38:59 !lm . crash -log 06:39:00 44. MarvinPA, XL13 LOFi, T:19612 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/MarvinPA/crash-MarvinPA-20131103-123807.txt 06:39:26 is that a lab shift putting a wall on top of a cloud? 06:49:21 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 07:06:52 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:46 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:17:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:31 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:28:08 -!- ForgottenBeast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29:13 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:18 -!- Forgotte1Beast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:45:46 -!- xoai has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:48:59 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:50:43 -!- duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:51:28 -!- ForgottenBeast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:52:45 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:05:54 -!- scummos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:09:14 -!- scummos has quit [Client Quit] 08:16:23 -!- ForgottenBeast has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19:41 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:25:33 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:39 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:27:16 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 08:29:08 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:29:37 why does that vault with the oklobs blocking the stairs in lair exist? 08:29:52 considering runelock it's completely stupidacious 08:31:16 -!- Croesus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31:48 I like that vault, it requires actual strategic choices you can overcome 08:32:00 unlike the rune lock, which merely railroads things 08:33:02 well in combination with runelock it completely fucks people 08:34:08 is there a hatch or a shaft on the level? 08:34:17 only a hatch 08:34:24 so here you go 08:34:36 I see what you mean 08:34:41 is that guaranteed? 08:34:47 the way up is easier even without one 08:35:33 how so? 08:37:16 you can read a scroll of teleport them climb up 08:37:26 ah 08:37:28 thought so 08:37:38 is the hatch guaranteed? 08:37:53 currently not 08:40:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-590-g79d8b45: Abyss bot: don't override the monster set. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79d8b45db13c 08:40:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-591-g2770e68: Fix Labyrinth changes not registering the terrain change. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2770e68c9888 08:40:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-592-g2999d4a: Move set_terrain_changed() away from map_knowledge.cc 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 24+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2999d4af3666 08:44:38 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45:21 -!- radinms has quit [] 08:51:48 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:51:51 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:52:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:01:56 is shilleilagh based on a mace? 09:02:05 devastator 09:02:34 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: it's a club with increased base damage 09:03:08 so it will most likely suck eventually? 09:03:16 <|amethyst> ??club 09:03:16 club[1/2]: A heavy piece of wood that falls into the Maces & Flails category. Damage: 5. Accuracy: +3. Delay: 13. In 0.13-, could be thrown, usually at you. 09:03:20 <|amethyst> ??mace 09:03:20 mace[1/1]: A long handle with a heavy lump on the end. (one-handed mace; Dmg 8 Acc +3 Delay 14) 09:03:33 <|amethyst> it has +3 base damage, so it's like a faster mace 09:03:53 so it sounds way better than it is 09:04:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:07 its about equal to a +9 demon whip 09:08:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:49 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:17 so that's a no 09:12:13 +9 demon whip? Uhm... no. 09:12:38 you'd need to hit nothing but multiple vulnerable monsters to come close 09:14:02 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:14:38 i did it in fsim, they are very equal 09:14:43 with various monsters 09:16:11 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:16:48 hm 09:16:53 +9 unbranded eith? 09:16:56 yea 09:17:00 oh 09:17:03 interesting 09:17:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:31:15 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:21 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 09:33:14 -!- Burer has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:34:02 eith: try against a ghost, flyer or jelly 09:34:20 and in the late game a half of stuff or more flies 09:35:22 not much flies outside of extended 09:35:28 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:36:03 i did try it on slime creatures 09:36:08 maybe they are jelly enough though 09:36:13 arent* 09:36:46 <|amethyst> with slime creatures there's a good chance you're hitting multiples, anyway 09:36:59 <|amethyst> s/ples/ple creatures/ 09:39:11 against acid blobs, azure jellies, jellys, they are still pretty equal 09:39:12 <|amethyst> hm... that happens after the stab multiplier, right 09:39:23 <|amethyst> the unrand melee effect 09:40:06 <|amethyst> (not that the fsim monsters should be unaware) 09:40:20 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:40:48 -!- Brokkr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:09 thece can be told apart by fsimming club vs rod 09:50:24 * Grunt bothers dpeg. 09:52:04 kilobyte, IIRC the main justification for D:14 was so that it was after Lair and before Vaults. I ended up going with 15 in the branch because 14 sounds to me like a strange number of levels for have and the lower limit goes away with this change; if I'm wrong it can easily be adjusted, in any case. 09:53:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: why's 14 stranger than 15? 09:53:12 <|amethyst> they both have two prime factors 09:53:25 <|amethyst> I guess 15 is one less than a power of two, that helps 09:53:30 * kilobyte heard 17 is the smallest random number. 09:55:33 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:55 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:12 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:25 Grunt: Hi there! 09:59:00 -!- Zelda has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:59:27 |amethyst: by that logic, 16 would be a good substitute for 27 :) 10:02:05 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:54 -!- bisonbisonbison has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:08:22 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:09:36 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12:53 -!- Zelda has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:14:20 -!- Zelda has quit [Client Quit] 10:18:07 <|amethyst> xFleury: does it move with him? 10:18:08 <|amethyst> doh 10:19:32 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:49 saint roka converts, autoannotation remains by rchandra 10:26:45 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-593-g2d1e76e: Axe a buttload of useless #includes. 10(6 minutes ago, 85 files, 11+ 123-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d1e76ee4919 10:28:12 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:15 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:33:45 -!- DEMA has quit [Client Quit] 10:34:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:21 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:57 <|amethyst> function TroveMarker:accept_item (it) -- We don't take misc items away from people. 10:36:14 <|amethyst> shouldn't that really only apply to runes and the horn? 10:36:37 -!- Funk_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:16 <|amethyst> then again, it probably wouldn't make sense to demand evokables, since they're so common 10:39:04 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:56 |amethyst: those items should ne given to the trove, yes 10:41:42 the trove code causes no end of bugs, mostly due to inadequate lua interface 10:41:52 I'm kind of pondering a rewrite 10:42:05 but then, there's so much time, so few things to do... 10:43:15 kilobyte: ...and it's barely working 10:45:49 I'm not aware of any current bugs with troves other than the thing with teleportitis or distortion unwield cheating you out of one 10:45:56 certainly the code isn't pretty though 10:46:24 <|amethyst> elliptic: well, if items are renamed, the trove no longer accepts them 10:46:30 oddities with unidentified code 10:46:35 misleading messages 10:46:45 |amethyst: right, unless we put in extra hacks in trove code at the same time we rename the item 10:46:49 s/code/items/ 10:47:37 a straightforward rewrite would break save compat, though (ie, make the trove you transferred useless) 10:48:26 kilobyte: there's no mention of any problem with unidentified items or misleading messages on mantis 10:48:37 so if you think there is a bug there, maybe you should report it? 10:50:15 if you try to give it an item, you often get a failure, saying "perhaps it is not fully identified?" 10:51:09 huh? that's just the generic failure message 10:51:26 crawl.mpr("You don't have the item" .. self:plural() .. " to give! Perhaps you haven't completely identified the item yet?") 10:51:28 YES... 10:51:41 SORRY FOR cAPS 10:51:45 which seems completely reasonable to me 10:51:51 kilobyte evaporates and reforms as Xtahua! 10:52:11 uhm, why would it require the item to be identified? 10:52:11 I guess ideally we wouldn't say the "identified" thing when asking for items that are always identified 10:52:17 other than technical issues with Lua 10:52:19 kilobyte: uh, why not? 10:52:26 people shouldn't accidentally give items to troves 10:52:44 because they try to enter them with an unided item that happens to match the requirements in inventory 10:52:54 because a demon whip is a demon whip, no matter if identified or not 10:53:03 the trove doesn't ask for "a demon whip" 10:53:12 it asks for "a +5,+6 demon whip" 10:53:37 really, this objection makes no sense to me at all 10:54:38 <|amethyst> elliptic: it doesn't prompt for confirmation? 10:54:56 it can't ask for enchantments that high 10:55:02 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-583-g38fe80b: First pass at a Depths monster set. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 57+ 102-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38fe80b9a1b6 10:55:05 yes it can... 10:55:14 3..5 10:55:16 |amethyst: that's true, but it would still obviously be bad if it accepted unIDed items 10:55:20 * Grunt feels like he doesn't know what he's doing here <_< 10:55:47 <|amethyst> elliptic: but it's also kind of weird if it partially IDs the item for you but that isn't reflected in the interface 10:55:50 * kilobyte thought it's max 3 or so, but after checking it looks like I'm technically right :p 5 < 6 10:56:16 <|amethyst> elliptic: e.g. if you decline to give it, now you know that your unided demon whip is at least +4,+4 10:56:39 |amethyst: right, that's why it doesn't accept unided items 10:56:57 kilobyte: it is 4..6 10:57:24 I just looked at the code (which I wrote), and why the hell is whether it is 4..6 or 3..5 relevant anyway? 10:57:26 <|amethyst> elliptic: yeah, that should have gone to kilobyte, sorry 10:58:17 elliptic: I'm not objecting to the functionality, just to the code doing the comparisons 10:58:19 kilobyte: (crawl.roll_dice is not the same thing as crawl.random2, because dice don't have 0 on them) 10:59:05 kilobyte: right, and I agree the code is a mess, but this complaint that you want troves to accept unidentified items just seems totally wrong to me 10:59:22 my complaint is that the message is misleading 10:59:25 how so? 11:00:01 because if I don't have a scroll of acquirement, why would it talk about it being not fully identified? 11:00:18 right, I mentioned that several minutes ago as a place where it could be improved 11:00:35 I guess ideally we wouldn't say the "identified" thing when asking for items that are always identified 11:00:37 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:00:55 though actually scroll of acq is not such a case 11:01:06 so I still don't understand what you are saying 11:01:07 yeah, which you said later 11:01:10 it shouldn't accept unidentified scrolls 11:01:45 it can, however, ask for a book of the warp 11:01:45 but it would be more clear to say that you don't have the item 11:02:10 kilobyte: but that's not necessarily true 11:02:18 you can't have unidentified books in your inventory other than the Necronomicon, Annihilations and Grimoire 11:02:19 you might have an unidentified scroll of acquirement in your inventory 11:02:29 yes, that's my point 11:02:37 ideally for book of the warp it would not say that 11:02:47 but the vast majority of trove prices do require identification 11:03:16 yet the message is misleading unless you happen to have a demon whip with you 11:03:17 and I have never seen anyone be confused by it saying it requires identification for the occasional price that is always IDed 11:03:31 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:03:32 only then complaining about identification status would make sense 11:03:44 if people don't have a demon whip with them, they expect it to fail when they try to enter 11:03:52 and thus do not get confused by that message 11:05:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05:32 on the topic of troves, some of the trove vaults are kinda spoilery 11:05:36 seriously, there are valid complaints about trove code (it is very hacky and as |amethyst said it doesn't handle item renaming well at all), but this message thing is really minor and far from being the "no end of bugs" you claim it is 11:06:04 <|amethyst> maybe it could only give that part of the message if the player has an item of the correct known subtype 11:06:33 <|amethyst> I guess that's part of what kilobyte meant by "inadequate lua interface"? 11:06:41 |amethyst: so for a scroll of acq, any unidentified scroll? 11:06:54 <|amethyst> elliptic: no, subtype 11:07:03 <|amethyst> elliptic: so for a scroll of acq it should never give that part of the message 11:07:05 well, the message is relevant for scroll of acq 11:07:21 <|amethyst> hm 11:07:29 look, I wouldn't really mind removing that part of the message in all cases 11:07:38 this one case is somewhat debatable, but I'd say the player has "an unidentified scroll" 11:07:50 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:08:05 it just clearly isn't a bug... the message appearing there is working as intended and making sure the player always knows that identification is required 11:08:15 * dpeg has no time for syntactics right now, pity that 11:08:25 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: time for Go] 11:08:42 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:53 |amethyst, kilobyte: even if the player doesn't have such an item currently, the message still lets them know that they can't use the trove to cheat with identification 11:09:02 by bringing all their unIDed scrolls there, say 11:09:55 it isn't a useless message; you might not like it, but all this quibbling about wanting to make it depend on what is actually in the inventory seems misguided to me, as it just makes things more complicated for very unclear gain 11:13:40 <|amethyst> elliptic: so I tried adding something to accept_item to set a "paid" prop when the item is taken, and to have check_veto return if the prop is there 11:13:54 <|amethyst> elliptic: but in the banished by unwield case, the portal is gone anyway 11:14:06 <|amethyst> elliptic: and the teleport case is kind of hand to test 11:15:06 |amethyst: this is obviously hard to check also, but I wonder what happens if you try to enter a bailey and teleportitis kicks in 11:15:31 is the portal still there? 11:16:00 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:25 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:30 SamB: several seconds per dump is annoying when you're debugging something that doesn't care about backtraces 11:16:52 or if you pay gold for a ziggurat to enter and teleportitis kicks in, do you lose the ziggurat? I'd guess that would be the same as troves 11:17:01 it is, I think: you can bump the chance to 100% 11:17:08 it uses the same lua, yes 11:17:36 you don't lose the bailey, you mean? 11:18:00 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-593-g2d1e76e (34) 11:18:05 bailey doesn't use lua anymore 11:18:11 <|amethyst> elliptic: in the telport case, dylex said the portal is still there but locked 11:18:14 right but you are still entering enter_portal_vault 11:18:16 oh 11:18:25 <|amethyst> elliptic: but in the banish case it's gone 11:18:40 that is weird 11:19:17 oh, I guess maybe it's because banishment gets delayed until a bit later? 11:19:23 You stop descending the stairs. 11:19:23 _Your surroundings suddenly seem different. 11:19:32 and it's still there 11:20:07 kilobyte: probably the thing |amethyst said should fix the teleportitis trove then (and something similar would fix teleportitis ziggurat) 11:21:06 the bug is in lm_toll: the cost is taken as you start descending 11:21:42 <|amethyst> kilobyte: taking the trove item happens in lm_trove 11:22:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so it would need to be fixed in both places I think 11:22:34 ... which inherits lm_1way, which checks it at the start of descending 11:23:01 if you can't pay the cost, you won't start climbing the stairs at all 11:23:10 but if such climb is interrupted... 11:23:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:23:57 <|amethyst> ah, so set the prop in lm_1way once you start descending? 11:24:43 it might be confusing to the player that he has no item he paid / gold for Ziggurat anymore 11:25:11 <|amethyst> doesn't it give a message about the item being taken? 11:25:40 I think having the price be taken before you start descending is fine if you can come back and the portal is then already paid for 11:26:16 either way would work though 11:26:48 <|amethyst> the alternative I see is to make the climb instantaneous, but then it's weird that a trove is better for escaping monsters than other portals are 11:27:03 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:27:20 or, have the check happen twice 11:28:09 <|amethyst> i.e. only decrement the quantity when you hit the new level? 11:28:23 <|amethyst> Seems like the message order would be a little weird 11:29:02 <|amethyst> also, what happens if a monster fireballs you during those turns 11:29:07 <|amethyst> destroying your scroll of acq 11:29:13 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:30:00 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:36 yeah, just marking the trove/zig as "paid" seems better here if it can be made to work... I'm not sure exactly why it doesn't work with unwield banishment, but I assume it has to do with player banishment being delayed slightly 11:30:52 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-594-g0ab4eda: Fix unknown shaft traps (#7680) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ab4eda94ba0 11:32:21 |amethyst: does the "paid" prop work if unwield just teleports you away? 11:32:55 |amethyst: at the start, it would just check, the item would be taken only the second time 11:34:15 kilobyte: it's a bit weird because you'll be agreeing to give up the item at the start, though 11:34:39 I guess you could agree to give up the item and then start descending and then cancel descent if the item is destroyed 11:34:41 you agreed, yes, but haven't handed it over yet 11:35:33 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:35:36 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:37 kilobyte: maybe we should try adding .gdb_index ? 11:37:22 SamB: does it make the startup time almost nil? 11:37:31 oh, by the way, our friend turned up without a scratch 11:37:53 kilobyte: let me check ... 11:38:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:38:47 is the intent that the abyss rune -always- be in a vault, or just most of the time? 11:39:00 Right now, it's always, IIRC. 11:39:19 sometimes the vault doesn't have any guards though I think 11:39:25 hm 11:39:27 i.e. is purely decorative 11:41:10 Can't exec "bin/monster-0.8": No such file or directory at lib/Crawl/Bot/Plugin/Monster.pm line 36. 11:41:10 Can't exec "bin/monster-0.7": No such file or directory at lib/Crawl/Bot/Plugin/Monster.pm line 36. 11:41:27 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:27 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 11:41:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 11:41:33 %0.8? -version 11:41:44 %0.7? francis 11:42:28 kilobyte: why do we use "+" prefixes things like the link command? 11:42:46 do we really want that run in --dry-run mode? 11:43:25 SamB: the + is needed for the jobserver 11:45:26 New branch created: banish (0 commits) 11:45:27 New branch created: banish (0 commits) 11:45:28 New branch created: buppy_arts (4 commits) 11:45:28 New branch created: dungeon-split (3 commits) 11:45:31 SamB: not sure why you're asking, does gdb look at the makefile? 11:45:31 make's startup takes ages, too, by the way 11:45:31 a pain in the rear if you do iterative compiles 11:45:31 (like, when checking whether an include is needed or not) 11:45:31 no, I was just about to add something to that part of the Makefile and I wondered what the + was for 11:45:32 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-581-g815c16e: Re-letter the Vestible to 'H' (was: 'U'). 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 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monster formicids to throw large rocks. 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60d7bcd0fccb 11:45:37 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-109-g8d0e104: Typo fix. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d0e10466101 11:45:37 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-110-g3bf2884: Assorted formatting fixes. 10(2 days ago, 18 files, 26+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bf288448a8a 11:45:37 03kilobyte02 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-570-gbc5fafc: Merge branch 'master' into dwants 10(2 days ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc5fafc588da 11:45:37 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.14-a0-571-g9f27213: Fix formicid ability descriptions. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f27213edb0e 11:45:37 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-581-g815c16e: Re-letter the Vestible to 'H' (was: 'U'). 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=815c16e574ff 11:45:37 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-582-g159a028: Transform the lower half of D into a new branch: the Depths. 10(15 hours ago, 80 files, 1279+ 1226-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=159a028bf58b 11:45:37 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-583-g38fe80b: First pass at a Depths monster set. 10(54 minutes ago, 1 file, 57+ 102-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38fe80b9a1b6 11:45:37 New branch created: dwants (29 commits) 11:45:38 New branch created: graceful_shutdown (2 commits) 11:45:38 so I looked it up in the manual ... 11:45:39 03kilobyte02 07[graceful_shutdown] * 0.14-a0-474-gc80ab54: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (tiles, Android). 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c80ab54b9945 11:45:39 03kilobyte02 07[graceful_shutdown] * 0.14-a0-475-g47460e4: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (win32 console). 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 27+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47460e48d1d2 11:45:40 New branch created: jump_attack (17 commits) 11:45:44 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-67-g2f9d247: Evokable Jump attack ability 10(5 months ago, 36 files, 922+ 203-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f9d24788def 11:45:44 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-68-gd4749ff: Add SPARM_JUMPING ego. 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f260d1effbf0 11:45:44 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-73-g77d9090: Give felids the jump 1 mutation at start. 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77d9090c115b 11:45:44 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-74-g1e2d4d3: Fix movement range not being properly checked 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e2d4d3e5909 11:45:44 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-75-g16670a3: Don't do an erroneus check_moveto() on the monster target, cleanups and documentation for targetter_jump 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 13+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16670a3e6da5 11:45:44 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-76-gff92caf: Fully set the jump mutation in the Felid save compatibility code 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff92caf220bd 11:45:44 ... and 7 more commits 11:45:45 New branch created: lomnado (1 commit) 11:45:46 03Grunt02 07[lomnado] * 0.14-a0-139-g948391f: Tornado as a monster spell for the sole use of Lom Lobon. 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 106+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=948391fda90b 11:45:46 it tells make the sub-process knows about the jobserver and can talk to it 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1583-g2211e5f: Create Formicid species and monsters. 10(5 months ago, 52 files, 907+ 122-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2211e5ff2f25 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1584-g0f4a723: Increase digging loudness. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f4a723449ff 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1585-g1fedd61: Lessen the noise of self-shaft. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fedd61ece7a 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1586-gacff605: Mention that shafting takes turns when being used. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acff6051fd36 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1587-ga43c2ad: Mention that Formicids can wield 2h with shield. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a43c2ad78f90 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1588-gcf7f88e: Imporve formicid ability descriptions. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf7f88e15e97 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1589-gf54b9d3: Give SPELL_DIG to orc sorcerers. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f54b9d3befec 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1590-g588dc4c: Add a formicid monster vault. 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 32+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=588dc4c0cfb1 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1591-g7b4c43a: Add some placeholder formicid tiles. 10(10 weeks ago, 6 files, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b4c43a7361f 11:46:01 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1592-g5f151d0: Remove the delay of formicids removing helmet. 10(10 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f151d035007 11:46:01 ... and 19 more commits 11:46:03 New branch created: graceful_shutdown (2 commits) 11:46:04 03kilobyte02 07[graceful_shutdown] * 0.14-a0-474-gc80ab54: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (tiles, Android). 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c80ab54b9945 11:46:04 03kilobyte02 07[graceful_shutdown] * 0.14-a0-475-g47460e4: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (win32 console). 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 27+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47460e48d1d2 11:46:05 New branch created: jump (26 commits) 11:46:18 ld currently uses multiple threads only during LTO builds, but hopefully that'll change rather sooner than later 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1632-g4ff28e2: Evokable Jump attack ability 10(5 months ago, 37 files, 935+ 215-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ff28e20627e 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1633-g67a351a: Add SPARM_JUMPING ego. Wearing this grants the evoke jump attack ability. 10(5 months ago, 12 files, 27+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=67a351ac1468 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1634-gd2bde6a: Generate boots of jumping with same frequency as boots of running. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bde6aa4289 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1635-g8ee2c55: Add a jump artefact property giving the evoke jump ability 10(5 months ago, 8 files, 26+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ee2c55d26f8 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1636-g4f542ac: Add a player mutation granting the jump ability 10(5 months ago, 8 files, 62+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f542acbb90c 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1637-gfd74f03: Give felids the jump 1 mutation at start, increasing the mutation level at XL 6 and XL12. 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd74f036f8c7 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1638-g595fc10: Fix movement range not being properly checked 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=595fc109d0a8 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1895-g8e7c07b: Merge branch master and a fix to default position for direction_chooser 10(4 months ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e7c07beedaf 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1896-g770ec12: Don't do an erroneus check_moveto() on the monster target, cleanups and documentation for targetter_jump 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 13+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=770ec12d0d3a 11:46:23 03gammafunk02 07[jump] * 0.13-a0-1898-geac147c: Merge branch 'master' into jump_attack 10(4 months ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eac147c43926 11:46:23 ... and 16 more commits 11:46:24 New branch created: jump_attack (17 commits) 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-67-g2f9d247: Evokable Jump attack ability 10(5 months ago, 36 files, 922+ 203-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f9d24788def 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-68-gd4749ff: Add SPARM_JUMPING ego. Wearing this grants the evoke jump attack ability. 10(5 months ago, 12 files, 27+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4749ff80b86 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-69-g51ad48a: Generate boots of jumping with same frequency as boots of running. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=51ad48a7a133 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-70-g66a55eb: Add a jump artefact property giving the evoke jump ability 10(5 months ago, 8 files, 26+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66a55eb8dc9b 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-71-g8ee9460: Add a player mutation granting the jump ability 10(5 months ago, 8 files, 62+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ee9460696a4 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-72-gf260d1e: Jump-related save compatibility 10(10 weeks ago, 5 files, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f260d1effbf0 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-73-g77d9090: Give felids the jump 1 mutation at start. 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77d9090c115b 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-74-g1e2d4d3: Fix movement range not being properly checked 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e2d4d3e5909 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-75-g16670a3: Don't do an erroneus check_moveto() on the monster target, cleanups and documentation for targetter_jump 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 13+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16670a3e6da5 11:46:29 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07[jump_attack] * 0.14-a0-76-gff92caf: Fully set the jump mutation in the Felid save compatibility code 10(10 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff92caf220bd 11:46:29 ... and 7 more commits 11:46:30 New branch created: lomnado (1 commit) 11:46:31 03Grunt02 07[lomnado] * 0.14-a0-139-g948391f: Tornado as a monster spell for the sole use of Lom Lobon. 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 106+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=948391fda90b 11:47:28 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 11:47:29 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 11:47:37 -!- Croesus_ is now known as Croesus 11:49:18 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-21-gd514581: Fix the player being placed in a wall on area shifts. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 20+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5145817d699 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-22-ga0bf153: Drop superfluous exits from "twisted" entry vaults. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 28+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0bf1533958e 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-23-ge2574ea: Mark an obvious typo as a non-typo. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2574ea7dd42 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-24-ga6373e2: Fix empty rings slots covered by gloves not being counted. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6373e255ead 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-25-g0ea719b: Split the "magical" trap category, to allow recolouring. 10(6 weeks ago, 12 files, 76+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ea719b7a5d9 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-26-gc3af15a: Rename "natural traps" to "shafts". 10(6 weeks ago, 13 files, 23+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3af15acd9d3 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-27-g5f5ef2d: Squash four types of dry fountains into one. Reflowing is gone... 10(6 weeks ago, 9 files, 15+ 53-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f5ef2decf95 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-28-g0294666: Recolour "magical" traps based on their type. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 17+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=029466689f3e 11:49:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-29-gcabdcba: Unbreak tiles. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cabdcbae2caa 11:49:23 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-30-gf0b6e91: Unify NG thrown weapon handling; give small throwers tomahawks. 10(6 weeks ago, 5 files, 45+ 76-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0b6e91ee5c2 11:49:23 ... and 564 more commits 11:49:25 New branch created: randbook-rare-spells (1 commit) 11:49:25 03|amethyst02 07[randbook-rare-spells] * 0.14-a0-142-gd4d58b4: Don't discriminate against rare-book spells in randbooks. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 47-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4d58b4e9ac1 11:49:53 Cherry-picked 71 commits into stone_soup-0.13 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-46-g00c14ad: Flag a bunch of stuff as "unfinished". 10(6 weeks ago, 2 files, 23+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00c14ad2ca89 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-47-g052d390: Revert multiple branch exits being DEBUG_FATAL-fatal. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=052d390dc02f 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-48-gc0e4dc8: Paper over a ghostly flame crash. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0e4dc83bd72 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-49-g7fcdada: Tentatively disable layout_gridlike for 0.13. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fcdada41bc9 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-50-g8387471: Tentatively revert Bullseye changes for 0.13. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8387471acbcc 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-51-gdaff9ec: A crappy update to the shield of the gong's description. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=daff9ecb2560 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-52-g3dd6219: Fix the name on Bullseye's desc. 10(4 weeks ago, 11 files, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dd6219efe06 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-54-gfe00c74: Fix a crash when timing out enchantments. Untested! 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe00c7456459 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-55-g76146f2: Remove unfinished monsters from the spriggan_forest. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=76146f217561 11:49:53 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-56-g85daf71: Remove other sightings of place:Forest. 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 1+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85daf715abb0 11:49:53 ... and 6 more commits 11:49:58 saint roka converts, autoannotation remains by rchandra 11:49:58 Shoals branch end missing a rune. by ketsa 11:49:58 Trove eats items due to teleportitis by dylex 11:49:58 Unknown shafts don't trigger, give "You can't go down here!" message. by Skrybe 11:49:58 Dazzled monsters and harmful clouds. by dck 11:49:58 Deep troll earth mage trying to dig stone wall by Kalma 11:49:58 Trapped by teleportation trap in unaccessable area by sanka 11:49:58 Tornado's "There are friendlies around" warning triggers inappropriately by Whales 11:49:58 Crash when finishing Tutorial on Mac OS X by DCSSPlayer 11:49:58 Monster "Cause Fear" persists after teleporting away by Whales 11:49:58 A few unrand INSCRIPs. by pubby 11:49:58 Monster attacked me with an unknown staff and electrocuted me; staff didn't ID by Sar 11:49:58 missing tiles: finger necklace, spider boots by KiloByte 11:49:58 Blood sprite under labyrinth entrance chnages every turn by Suseika 11:49:58 Message "Warning: monster 'it' is not yet fully coded. (4x)" on stair descent. by WeiSong 11:49:58 memory leak in corpse item_list by KiloByte 11:49:58 Elemental wellspring can turn deep water into shallow water by Lasty 11:49:58 Acquirement ignores unarmed preference, gifts weapons by neuralroberts 11:49:58 Jump attack still connects if you enter a teleport trap mid-jump by Vinterriket 11:49:58 "feature" glyph reassignment does not work properly on "broken pillar[s]" by G-Flex 11:49:58 Tiles display a monster that is already dead as alive (but act properly, as if he's dead) by Sar 11:49:58 Jorgrun mysteriously retreating by rchandra 11:49:58 Crypt not in G menu by rchandra 11:49:58 Enemy not appears when examining the lower level in level map mode by Sar 11:51:06 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:06 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 11:51:07 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 11:51:36 <|amethyst> err 11:51:40 about the Elf<->Vaults passage: would it be better to have arrival vaults on the Elf side separate or shared with Orc ones? 11:51:42 <|amethyst> what? 11:51:56 <|amethyst> no... 11:51:58 <|amethyst> bad chei 11:52:13 at least some of them look like they could accomodate two exits 11:59:27 Unbreathing enemies drowning by ledtim 11:59:27 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:27 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 11:59:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 11:59:53 too bad it would take quite a bit of messing with autotravel, to support loops 12:00:07 -!- Burer has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:00:21 but then, making Hell portals make sense should be worth it 12:00:23 <|amethyst> hmm 12:00:46 <|amethyst> %git elf-vaults 12:00:46 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-590-g227b880: Add a passage from Vaults to Elf. 10(14 minutes ago, 14 files, 52+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=227b8805a7d6 12:00:53 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.13 12:00:53 07|amethyst02 * 0.13.0-29-gdb529de: Fix unknown shaft traps (#7680) 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db529de1e0d3 12:00:56 <|amethyst> hmm 12:01:04 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:01:38 I mean, the algorith could be even simpler than currently, and allow going back and forth between levels if taking another pair of stairs would shorten the route 12:01:55 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:55 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:01:56 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:02:58 <|amethyst> hmm... what did I break? 12:03:50 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:50 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:03:51 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:04:45 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:45 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:04:46 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:05:07 <|amethyst> hm, maybe it is working 12:05:12 <|amethyst> we'll see next time there's a cherry-pick 12:05:15 <|amethyst> or a real commit 12:06:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:07:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: that's bidirectional? 12:07:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so you can skip the rune lock in either direction? 12:07:55 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:29 yeah, that's what dpeg mentioned a year or so ago when he introduced the rune lock idea 12:14:09 other things i've seen people ask for: guaranteed hellgate in lair, guaranteed abyssgate somewhere 12:15:00 yes...this meshes well with my plans to give crawl more "fun" topology 12:15:05 -!- ppp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:03 ontoclasm, rchandra suggested hell in elf:$ but if it has a vaults entry then that might be too much? 12:16:04 You enter the strange loop. Your surroundings flicker. Xom thinks this is hilarous! 12:16:31 nonethousand: yeah, lair:8 would be the first place i would think 12:16:40 since you already have a 1/4 chance or whatever for it 12:17:03 and it's not like being able tog et into hell early is really a shortcut 12:17:10 the way jumping to vaults might be 12:17:13 right 12:17:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:18:57 -!- gnsh has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:21:43 I actually love this idea because it adds a motivation to do elf on some characters beyond the loot 12:22:04 kilobyte: pretty sure the elf side is supposed to be on elf:3, not elf:1 12:22:16 (not in the elf:3 vault, but on the level) 12:24:05 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:27 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:34:25 -!- rax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:31 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:39:16 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:47 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:51 -!- xoai has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:41:35 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:57 -!- ketsa_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:13 Does Henzell not read UTF-8? or only accept some commands in ASCII? :| 12:49:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49:46 !coffee some long name 12:49:46 * Henzell hands some long name a cup of caffè macchiato, brewed by Gastronok. 12:50:22 <|amethyst> hm 12:50:29 <|amethyst> double-encoding it looks like 12:50:43 <|amethyst> !learn add footest éè 12:50:44 footest[1/1]: éè 12:50:45 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:50:51 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 12:50:51 <|amethyst> only in some commands 12:50:54 ??test 12:50:54 summon butterflies[4/4]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 12:50:56 <|amethyst> !learn del footest 12:50:56 Deleted footest[1/1]: éè 12:51:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 12:55:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:46 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:08:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:16:15 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:20:39 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:09 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:39 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:31:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-595-gaa148b9: Make a pointer parameter const. 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa148b9adbc6 13:36:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:40:13 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:44:21 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:49:50 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:54:14 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:54:24 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:54:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:54:51 -!- HEAM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:56:07 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:59 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:16 -!- nonethousand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:50 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:03 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:08:55 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:09:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:25 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 14:10:09 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:10:23 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 14:14:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:16:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:24 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:00 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:27 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:23:46 -!- ppp has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:26:26 -!- Forgotte1Beast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:49 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:32 -!- nonethousand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:43 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:57 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:11 -!- Henzell has quit [Client Quit] 14:34:39 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:50 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 14:37:00 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:19 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:36 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:45 -!- ark_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:19 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:37 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 14:41:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:29 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:42:58 Orcish mines floor 1 is disconnected. by skraman 14:45:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:46:21 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:35 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:04 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:19 -!- Croesus has quit [] 14:52:25 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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if so, it looks like [s]he went crazy in them ... 15:30:15 for all the jokes about my inane speech patterns and frustration with development practices today I managed to perfectly predict how and why somebody would hate a swamp end 15:30:24 so he can go eat it 15:31:00 it doesn't count if you didn't include it in the .des file ;-P 15:31:17 it'll be part of the commit message once I'm done 15:31:42 * SamB was kidding anyway 15:32:08 [alternatively if it's vault feedback unless something like chei going crazy happens I'll always be reading these logs and thus catch it anyway] 15:33:07 -!- medgno has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:39 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:22 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:47:03 -!- inkaruga has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:47:09 -!- medgno1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:48:09 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:37 -!- Basil has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:01 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:13 -!- UseBees_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:57:31 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:59:12 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01:16 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:01:27 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 16:03:33 -!- Fortescue has quit [] 16:13:32 -!- zoopp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:14 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:14 could I get an update on dwants going in? 16:25:45 I saw kilobyte did some cleanup (thanks!) but wasn't sure if if that meant anything 16:25:51 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:55 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:33 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range / ice storm (10d14), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 16:34:33 %??Lom Lobon 16:34:43 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:35:39 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:58 -!- Croesus has quit [] 16:43:34 -!- Nex_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:44:44 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:03 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51:22 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:57 any objections to me putting a golden dragon into swamp ends 16:55:04 yes 16:55:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:12 listening 16:55:59 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:31 we are trying to make lair branch ends easier, not harder, and golden dragon should be rare outside Z anyway as the top dragon 16:56:50 swamp is also the easiest of current branch ends as is 16:56:55 some people disagree 16:57:11 we had people arguing in ##crawl for three of the four lair branches being easiest 16:57:34 out of curiosity's sake, which wasn't argued as 16:57:45 spider 16:57:46 spider is generally considered the hard one 16:59:21 well, at least I was planning to nerf some spider ends 16:59:32 give me a minute to just show the current status of my patch 17:03:27 well, spider is considered hard in general because everything is fast 17:03:29 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:03:35 I hope the golden dragon was intended for the "fire" swamp endings? they are the ones in need of buffing I'd say 17:03:49 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:39 yes, it was 17:04:45 if so, I'd just put a higher density of dangerous monsters in those (regular dragons and hydras) 17:04:53 golden dragon breathing cold also isn't great in a fire ending 17:05:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:23 spider felt easy to me, when compared with Shoals 17:05:52 and I think those endings are mainly just threat-light because they place a lot of fire drakes and steam dragons and such junk 17:05:56 well, I guess that's one of them 17:06:00 I don't greatly like the theming of elemental ends for swamp, anyway 17:06:02 shoals I've generally found fairly easy 17:06:26 (ignoring Ilsuiw) 17:06:31 elemental ends for swamp is a bit weird, yes, and the ice ending is quite brutal for some chars 17:06:59 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0ywS3vbz 17:07:53 -!- Zelda has quit [Client Quit] 17:07:54 I've gotten the undead ending to Swamp in my last two visit. The miasma is obnoxious 17:08:31 patch makes miasma possible to time past but not reliably so for retreat 17:08:36 [do not push, not done] 17:08:45 kilobyte: after futzing with a gdb patch for a while, I've some numbers for you 17:08:57 naesten@hydrogen:~/hacking/crawl/crawl-ref/source% time ~/hacking/binutils-gdb/gdb/contrib/gdb-add-index.sh ./crawl 17:08:57 ~/hacking/binutils-gdb/gdb/contrib/gdb-add-index.sh ./crawl 30.79s user 9.04s system 61% cpu 1:04.98 total 17:08:57 naesten@hydrogen:~/hacking/crawl/crawl-ref/source% time gdb -batch crawl 17:08:57 gdb -batch crawl 5.72s user 1.30s system 46% cpu 15.248 total 17:10:38 (Though the script itself isn't in GDB's repo at the moment; I just sent a patch to bring it back in ) 17:12:19 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:13:25 <|amethyst> SamB, tenofswords: arg... chei was dumping its own log to the channel log 17:13:25 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:19:03 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:03 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 17:19:04 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 17:20:53 <|amethyst> %git 17:20:53 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-595-gaa148b9: Make a pointer parameter const. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa148b9adbc6 17:23:08 <|amethyst> No idea how that happened; the Chei change was to add a method and move some stuff into an if 17:28:04 <|amethyst> to make the cherry-pick abbreviation optional (and off by default) 17:28:13 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:28:33 -!- Var is now known as Guest48232 17:29:12 would it be easier for me to paste out everything I've planned on doing instead of relying on people to actually be able to read vaults 17:29:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:31:02 -!- Varren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:31:12 -!- Guest48232 is now known as Varren 17:31:23 -!- wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:49 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:27 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:39:28 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:49:58 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:00:43 -!- evilmike has quit [] 18:03:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:03:36 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04:42 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:57 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:10:45 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:07 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:14:11 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15:16 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:28 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:19:25 i wish there was an option to protect certain consumables, with the downside that they'd take twice as long to use 18:19:49 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:10 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:19 -!- Fhqwhgads___ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 18:22:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:29:43 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:34:12 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-596-g612243d: Display Orb on } screen, % screen, and dumps. 10(64 seconds ago, 3 files, 25+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=612243dca4b1 18:42:55 elliptic: ^ 18:43:00 (thanks for the nudge about that earlier) 18:43:26 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:23 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:49:51 cool, thanks for coding that 18:50:12 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:23 * Grunt casts dpeg into the Depths! 18:51:07 Mornings! Just came up on the forum. What do you guys think about (hostile) monsters just never picking up stuff? I think it's an immediate gain, and the few exceptions I can think can be manually listed (e.g. minotaur in labyrinth). 18:51:33 Grunt: huh? Trust, I sit right in the middle of the Depths at this very place :) 18:51:37 |amethyst: is it possible to scrub those logs, with perhaps a slight lossage during the scrubbing? 18:51:38 *Trust me 18:51:45 <|amethyst> SamB: already done 18:51:50 cool 18:51:58 <|amethyst> SamB: no loss because they were easy to detect 18:52:00 dpeg, I thought you resided on Zot:5 :) 18:52:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:52:06 <|amethyst> SamB: they were the lines that didn't start with a digit 18:52:11 |amethyst: I meant due to racing 18:52:48 <|amethyst> SamB: oh, I took chei down when I did it, but no messages were missed 18:52:58 cool 18:56:46 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 18:58:57 The rune lock thread on reddit is pretty funny: it has an extremely volatile reddit score. Seems like some folks are hell bent on getting it down to -4, and others are trying to keep it up. People :) 18:59:08 dpeg: you have a strange idea of 'morning' 18:59:32 Was a typo. I wanted to say: Mourning! 18:59:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:47 dpeg: Monsters not picking up items would also ridden the game of the pleasant sight of a monster picking up and dropping a ton of weapons on a stack. 19:02:08 Bloax: this is a good thing, right? 19:02:25 But bh is right, I got to sleep. So I've seen three simple proposals recently which would improve the game a little right away, imo. I'll mention them from time to time :) (a) Monsters never pick up items unless special-cased to do so. (b) Rename potion of speed to haste/hasting. (c) Killing a hell lord disables hell effects for that hell. The last two saw some protest from kilobyte, so will need some talk. 19:02:43 dpeg: yes 19:02:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:57 dpeg: I'll do the rename for (b) 19:02:57 because who doesn't like monsters being huge cheaters that can perform a ton of actions within a single turn 19:03:55 kilobyte: I saw your comment about changing enums making your wrists hurt. Why don't you just use an IDE? 19:04:37 bh: that was Polish humour! 19:04:39 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:04:51 * dpeg always knew that Americans have trouble with their humour detection unit. 19:05:21 didn't the Poles work with the British to make the world's funniest joke? 19:05:34 bh: you realize that (b) was not unopposed right? 19:06:08 SamB: uh... why? 19:06:26 i like (c) a lot 19:06:42 bh: it looks kind of awkward 19:06:44 makes you feel accomplished 19:06:50 and in practice it won't really matter for anything 19:07:04 Eronarn: With infernal noise, the power tormenting this place vanishes! 19:07:12 kilobyte also thinks that (c) would be hard to communicate to the player 19:07:23 I said it. As I see it, there are two good reasons for a rename (I don't care about "haste" vs "hasting" since I'm a German.) One: consistency between "wand of hasting", "haste spell" and "potion". Two: current non-consistency between "speed ego" and "potion of speed". 19:07:36 SamB: as if hell effects are easy to? 19:07:39 SamB: yes, I know but I think I can guaranteed to solve that one. 19:07:49 -!- randart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:59 german? better rename it to hastepotion 19:08:04 <|amethyst> should speed brand and finesse get the same name? 19:08:18 ??finesse 19:08:18 okawaru[1/5]: Heroism (*) temporarily gives +5 to all non-magic skills except Invocations and Evocations, although Fighting skill from it gives no extra HP. Finesse (*****) halves attack delay but does not stack with haste or berserk and is blocked by stasis. Also gifts weapons and armour, and ammo if you have a ranged skill >= 8. 19:08:24 they're not the same 19:08:32 Eronarn: well, the fact that hell effects aren't ever referred to certainly does not help us make it clear that they will be or have been stopped 19:08:38 (Finesse? Hah! Time to rip out guts!) 19:08:53 (RIP AND TEAR YOUR HUGE GUTS) 19:09:08 SamB: I still think it's easy to do. 19:09:08 finesse does a lot more than speed brand doesn't it? 19:09:10 i think probably a message followed by hell effects no longer happening would be a pretty clear way of communicating that hell effects are no longer happening 19:09:20 MarvinPA: yes, so do I 19:09:40 It doesn't decrease the damage for one. 19:10:00 dpeg: Well, the fact that we don't have a name to call the things by that unspoiled players would know seems to present a problem ... 19:10:03 afair, kilobyte also had a flavour objection (why would hell lords be powerful enough) but that can be left to imagination, imo -- there are a number of very reasonable explanations 19:10:23 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:10:26 never been to hell though 19:10:32 killing the hell lord disrupts the hellish bureaucracy in that branch 19:10:33 Well something is watching you in the hell branches. 19:10:34 so hell effects stop 19:10:35 SamB: we could remove hell effects :) 19:10:40 not sure what the issue is 19:10:48 dpeg: "why would they be powerful enough" seems a silly objection so I didn't mention it 19:10:57 Why could that something not be the governing hell lord? 19:11:11 you could just make the hell effect messages all reference that hell's lord 19:11:12 elliptic: yes, that's how I think. The lesser minions suddenly have better things to do than scare riffraff now that the big boss is dead 19:11:27 Eronarn: that might work ... 19:11:28 "You have drawn Antaeus' icy gaze!" 19:11:51 Eronarn: you want to do a patch to change the messages? 19:12:33 no, I have to be up for work in less than 10 hours :P 19:12:42 I don't even think we have to suggest to players that the lord themselves is watching them: pretty bad things happen on the way up, they stop as he's dead. 19:14:38 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:57 anyway, I just listed the three proposals because I'll have little time for ##crawl-dev during the week -- I will mention them again, don't worry =) 19:18:41 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:03 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:19:16 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow n' gn8!] 19:25:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:35 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:26:04 New branch created: hell-effect-end (1 commit) 19:26:04 03Grunt02 07[hell-effect-end] * 0.14-a0-597-g19cdea3: End Hell effects when their respective hell lord dies. 10(50 seconds ago, 2 files, 22+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19cdea3ba698 19:26:21 (just in case you want to play with it) 19:29:00 -!- asdfasdf has quit [Client Quit] 19:29:56 -!- Shade_Tornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:21 elliptic, MarvinPA, anyone else: I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts with some of the monster set tinkering I'm currently failing badly at in the dungeon-split branch. 19:34:32 yes, please help Grunt! I have to sleep unfortunately 19:34:42 * Grunt is beyond help! <_< 19:35:14 Grunt: the new portal idea rests safely with you? (Then I won't make a note) 19:35:25 -!- Jebus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:35:48 I have a notoriously poor memory for some of these things; maybe I should mention it here. 19:35:50 can we kill off HoB? 19:36:26 ...the idea was to have the D:14 downstair / Depths stair / whatever be one-way in lieu of a rune, instead of the current shaft thing. 19:36:31 bh: but I have these old plans of *dancing* weapon. sob 19:36:57 make HoB a portal vault :( 19:37:07 dpeg: why don't we just replace HOB with a guaranteed Wizlabs portal? 19:37:08 Eronarn: yes, that makes sense 19:37:18 bh: hm, not sure about guaranteed but yes 19:37:40 i have wanted a Hall portal vault for a while: hall of blades, hall of mirrors, hall of statues, hall of heroes, ... 19:38:09 Anyway, Grunt's idea is this: D:15 comes with a portal which you can always use but which is one-way until you possess a rune. This captures the old stairs & shaft functionality, and has better flavour. 19:38:15 <|amethyst> Eronarn: perhaps it could, like wizlabs, not tell decide which it will be until you enter it 19:38:22 <|amethyst> Eronarn: then it would be a quantum Hall effect 19:38:29 |amethyst: <3 19:38:30 <|amethyst> s/tell // 19:38:39 |amethyst: yeah, exactly 19:38:44 :D 19:38:59 Grunt: I would appreciate the one-way portal a lot, b/c players feel cramped in their freedom, and a choice is a choie 19:39:04 should we have D:15 entry vaults? 19:39:10 yes 19:39:18 and is there a way to get D:14/D:15 vaults to agree thematically? 19:39:19 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:39:29 (also, why don't we have a warper unique named Beckett?) 19:39:39 :-P 19:39:48 Eronarn: he retired after saving Jackie Kennedy 19:40:31 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:41 bh, if we're going that route, I'd prefer to get dungeon-split fixed up first... 19:40:41 how big is the silent spectre radius? 19:40:43 it seems better to me to leave it as a hard lock for a while and at least let that get some testing, really 19:41:00 < raskol> can you slime angels or are they a holy holiness or something 19:41:06 that also seems much cleaner and easier to communicate than a one-way lock 19:41:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:20 if we're going to have holy pigs in crawl, there is exactly zero reason to not have slimify => 'pearl jam' 19:41:32 MarvinPA: do you think a trove-like entrance would work for communicating what's going on? 19:41:45 MarvinPA: yes, I am a bit surprised about the speed 19:42:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:32 MarvinPA: communication is not really a problem (prompt) but testing would be good. Lots of it. 19:42:40 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleeeep] 19:42:49 hall of halls? 19:43:00 blade of halls 19:43:17 geekosaur: hilbert hall! 19:43:41 hallbert >.> 19:44:01 "this staircase is locked until x" seems a lot better than "if you go through this staircase then it will become locked until x" to me 19:45:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:46:36 good google autocomplete suggestions for halls: of fame, of justice, of oates, of the mountain king 19:46:56 ??weakness 19:46:58 weakness[1/1]: A new status effect in 0.13, reducing player melee damage by 25%. Orange demons have a reaching attack that gives the status. Also inflicted by Elyvilon's wrath. And by killing {Apis}es. 19:47:00 Hall of Justice - miniholypan 19:48:27 the hally and the eye-vy 19:48:38 hall entrances and random eyes 19:49:21 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:51:58 Grunt: that is a great idea 19:52:19 !learn add hall of blades: Hall of Blades. 19:52:20 hall[1/1]: of blades: Hall of Blades. 19:52:54 !learn add hall of mirrors: Mirror golems! Shifting walls, lab-style! 19:52:56 hall[2/2]: of mirrors: Mirror golems! Shifting walls, lab-style! 19:53:04 !learn add hall of justice: miniholypan 19:53:05 hall[3/3]: of justice: miniholypan 19:53:21 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:00 !learn add hall of statues: weeping angels 19:54:01 hall[4/4]: of statues: weeping angels 19:54:11 You blink. You die... 19:54:28 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-597-g0e91adf: Let choose_stat_gain work by returning a string. 10(63 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e91adf89620 19:54:28 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-598-gb6024cc: Enable automatic bypassing of the skill menu for potions of experience via lua. 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6024cc74c4a 19:54:28 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-599-g4cb63b4: Only apply the contam -Wiz effect to Djinn. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4cb63b45ef23 19:54:30 !learn add hall of fame: huge quantity of player ghosts 19:54:30 Grunt: can we specify abyss depth in vaults? 19:54:30 hall[5/5]: of fame: huge quantity of player ghosts 19:54:46 bh: hm, good question. 19:55:07 DEPTH: J:1-4 doesn't work 19:55:17 That's because it's Abyss:1-4, not J:1-4. 19:56:37 Inspecting abyss.cc, currently that won't do anything. 19:57:01 It would be easy to enable, though, if you had a use for it. 19:57:35 (Just find the three instances of random_map_for_tag in abyss.cc and change check_depth - the second paramater - to true, then go and put depth tags on abyss maps.) 19:57:35 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7297024 19:57:51 the vault doesn't make sense on Abyss:5 19:58:11 hrm. I should add a hydra to that ;) 19:58:24 <|amethyst> bh: I'd switch those glyphs 19:58:39 Actually, for a while I've been meaning to do away with the notion of an abyss tag and use DEPTH instead. 19:59:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 19:59:41 -!- broquaint has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:59:49 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:04 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:02:13 -!- tksquared has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:33 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-600-g148cdee: Use depth in Abyss vaults 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 19+ 134-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=148cdeebf97c 20:06:09 * Grunt grumbles. 20:06:17 bh, you just forbade a large number of Abyss vaults from placing. 20:06:33 gruntbles? 20:06:39 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:06:41 Grunt: drr.... 20:06:42 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 20:06:44 I'll fix that 20:08:06 -!- Zhukov has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:52 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:14:39 what is the abyss supposed to be based on? from what mythology? 20:15:27 dragonlance? dnd? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyss_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29 20:16:03 http://dragonlancenexus.com/lexicon/index.php?title=The_Abyss 20:17:04 rast: no clue, ask greensnark? 20:17:18 ??abyss 20:17:19 abyss[1/9]: A merry-go-round of doom, featuring many, many, many different kinds of monsters who will find your flesh, bones, mind, and life tasty. Be sure to pick everything up on the way and kill everything you can so the demons can get better fed. 20:19:25 bh: don't bother; this gives me an excuse to remove the tag. 20:19:41 drr... I was almost done too 20:19:46 fine, go for it 20:23:50 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:46 not sure it's based on anything in terms of established mythology, so much as an attempt to build a place reflecting the notions of distortion and to some extent chaos? 20:25:00 <|amethyst> rast: in D&D (Planescape) terms it's more like Limbo 20:25:08 The abyss is a very simple concept. 20:25:26 Of course it's a bit more complicated now that some adjustments have been added to it. 20:25:49 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26:19 But there's nothing too complicated about "random, constantly changing landscape with random monsters" that it had to be based on something. 20:30:27 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 20:38:19 ...oh, this actually is working; it just didn't seem like it was working. 20:39:51 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:57 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:43:10 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:56 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:46:40 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:47:55 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:44 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-601-g9c75138: Do away with the "abyss" tag in favour of DEPTH specifications. 10(2 minutes ago, 9 files, 168+ 144-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c7513855ef9 20:50:09 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 20:52:08 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:36 Grunt: it looks like you missed fire/frost giants in depths 20:54:43 MarvinPA: oops! 20:54:55 MarvinPA: I knew I was forgetting something obvious :( 20:56:35 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:58:37 hm, big simulacra can be pretty nasty, those might be okay too? i guess just not having any derived undead might be a nice change though 20:59:16 -!- tksquared has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:12 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-584-g472cce0: Add fire/frost giants back to Depths (MarvinPA). 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=472cce0d646a 21:04:34 I dithered for a while about whether to let simulacra stick around, but I ultimately thought not having derived undead would be more desirable. 21:07:56 flayed ghosts are a thing that's in D occasionally that could stay in depths too, maybe? likewise stuff like giant eyeball/great orb of eyes/giant orange brain 21:08:30 I think I at least have giant orange brains on the list already... 21:08:46 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:00 ah yeah 21:09:30 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:58 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:05 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:16:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:21:58 Troves generates helmet when character cannot wear helmets by Sandman25 21:24:02 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-585-g8bf4cd5: More Depths additions (MarvinPA). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bf4cd565b95 21:24:02 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-586-g0c65809: Adjust primary vault dummy chances to account for Depths. 10(80 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c65809401c3 21:32:53 -!- xoai has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:39 03Grunt02 07[dungeon-split] * 0.14-a0-587-gc17d11a: Re-weight Depths monsters mostly used as OOD monsters. 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c17d11abe1bf 21:49:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:49:55 kilobyte, something you might apprciate: !lm wizzzargh uniq=cerebov 3 -tv 21:50:31 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:50:53 Antenae displays item in deep water which is not visible otherwise by Sandman25 21:52:31 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:53:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:32 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:09:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:50 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:20:17 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:24:36 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 22:25:17 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:26:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:29:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:39 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 22:29:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:00 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:39:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:40:47 I have a kind of logistics question. I'm going ahead with my idea to make 2-level portals specific to the lair water/poison branches. 22:41:10 But I'd envisioned these as fixed maps in the sense of e.g. wizlab, just two levels 22:41:37 Is that in of itself a problem, if they'll always or frequently appear in these lair branches? 22:41:51 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:42:06 AFAIK it's *possible*, just very messy to do right now. 22:42:30 Grunt: Yes, I should be clear what I'm asking. I mean is it a problem that we have some fixed-map portals 22:42:47 Not that they're two levels; that does work ok from what I've seen, and yeah there might be some technical issues 22:43:23 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43:26 These maps will get a lot of play; I'm initially going to make two variants for each portal (4 portals, so 8 maps) 22:43:54 And I realize we don't really have portals that see that kind of frequency that aren't heavily randomized or that have a lot of variants 22:44:09 e.g. ice caves/volcanos/wizlabs have a lot of different maps 22:44:19 and labs are fully randomized 22:44:32 Having a low number of variants at first doesn't strike me as a problem - people will create more. 22:44:41 Spider was originally introduced with just two endings, for example. 22:44:49 the rarity can also be low if there are a low number of variants 22:44:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:00 Ok, thanks for the feedback. Wanted to get some opinion on that before making a bunch of maps 22:45:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:45:04 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:45:11 yeah, true 22:46:13 Also, is there a guide for how many enemies I should be placing in these? Balancing loot is relatively easy, but enemies I'm a bit unsure 22:46:13 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:03 I probably should just go for "as difficult as you'd expect for a player at that stage of the game" 22:47:07 Rather than just counting enemies 22:47:50 Since sometimes people disagree with your ghoul placement 22:48:29 |amethyst: new assignment? 22:49:50 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:50:51 -!- Mork has quit [Client Quit] 22:50:53 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:15 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-602-g5448299: Fix weapon egos not identifying properly on failed wields. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=544829903891 23:07:57 -!- st_ has quit [] 23:13:10 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-603-g8f2d35a: Don't allow using Vitalisation while confused 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f2d35a36681 23:13:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:36 -!- rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:19:21 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 23:23:21 why doesnt wand of random effects every copy healing? 23:23:23 *ever 23:23:52 rast: maybe because that's too good to your enemies? 23:24:03 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:24:20 WalkerBoh just had "Fag Cum" as a shop proprietor's name. And it is "quite common" according to minqmay. Am I alone in thinking this is potentially problematic? 23:24:21 that was specifically removed 23:24:32 rast: Prevent healing rot 23:24:36 since having - yes that 23:24:48 self zap random effects to remove rot was problematic or something 23:24:49 there are three separate examples of it which I can reference, I t hink 23:25:04 "according to minmay" is not really a reliable metric, i'm pretty sure it is just a random name that has randomly occured some positive number of times 23:25:05 basil: ah ok. still seems fine to me but w/e 23:25:08 like many other random names 23:25:27 I doubt it is that common 23:25:30 how does it generate syllables? 23:25:34 I have three examples apparently 23:25:40 I've never seen it certainly although that is also not that reliable of course 23:26:03 i'm sure if you really cared about some other completely inoffensive random shopkeeper name and just looked out for it for a while you could find three examples of that too 23:26:35 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:45 okay, if "Fag Cum" generating as a name isn't seen as a problem then that's that 23:26:52 I just wanted to mention it in case it is 23:27:00 what about Fag anything 23:27:08 or Cum anything 23:27:26 policing the random name generator seems like a pretty unproductive task to me 23:27:58 maybe someone else is interested in doing it, i dunno 23:28:29 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=879 23:29:31 thats a sweet ring 23:29:42 yes 23:29:49 i would wear Adick any chance I could 23:30:31 alright, just thought I'd bring it up. I wasn't aware that it had been addressed on mantis 23:32:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32:38 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:32:57 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:42 ??fuk da sac[2 23:34:43 I don't have a page labeled fuk_da_sac[2] in my learndb. 23:35:39 the only thing offensive about fag cum's jewellery shop is that it forcefully makes me think about gay pearl necklaces. other than that it is hilarious 23:35:44 i mean i agree that it'd be better if that wasn't a name that shows up, but it seems like a difficult thing to address well 23:39:18 yes, I can accept that and I'm sure players can recognize it's just a result of the name generation and not some juvenile joke 23:39:34 no problem if it's not a pressing issue, no problem at all 23:39:48 what the players can't do is avoid turning it INTO a juvenile joke, right? 23:45:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:45:23 -!- Nex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:49:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:55:10 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:40 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-604-g2d5c4bb: Don't waste a turn failing to hit a rock worm in a wall with an axe. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d5c4bb27363 23:58:33 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]