00:00:08 <|amethyst> "D:13"_br 00:00:17 MarvinPA, the rest: before you go to bed, would you care reminding me what the issues with formicids are, besides digging? 00:00:29 þuþþy is getting restless :p 00:00:44 whoa! 00:00:50 * Grunt wonders how kilobyte knew he was about to go to sleep <_< 00:01:17 I can't really comment on Fo at this point; I'd have to look more into it. 00:01:29 My mind is elsewhere, like lomnado and no_orb_inv (aka runeify_orb) 00:01:31 |amethyst: if you go that way, a regular string would work just as well 00:01:37 (so if you want more to discuss...) 00:02:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but then you have to parse it at run-time :) 00:02:04 Grunt: well, I crashed around 19:00 and woke up around 4:00, so I'm good to go :p 00:02:17 |amethyst: and "D:13"_br not? 00:03:18 I was meant to rework Dj just after the tourney ends, but no one shouts at me about that, unlike Fo :p 00:03:57 <|amethyst> kilobyte: okay, I guess making that constexpr might be a little difficult :) 00:04:10 -!- minced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:04:41 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-445-g388476e (34) 00:05:25 well they have a ton of overcomplicated mechanics in general, and we already have two races with that issue 00:05:43 LO and Dj? 00:07:49 I'd be more concerned about undercomplicated races 00:08:02 although indeed some dj parts could use a simplification 00:08:28 MarvinPA: at least LO lost that variable speed mechanic 00:08:44 Eronarn threatens adding it back 00:08:52 but then, it's the heat aura what causes 90 00:08:54 innate stasis and infinite free digging and two-handed weapons with shields and weird complicated antennae and some other things iirc is way too much 00:08:58 % of problems 00:09:30 MarvinPA: so you want to add even more cookie-cutter races? 00:09:41 did i say that? 00:09:41 kilobyte: that obviously isn't what he wants 00:10:05 "race with innate stasis" would make for a hugely different race from most other races 00:10:07 I'd instead cull a good part of current "just has horns" races in favour of stuff that's actually distinct 00:10:18 "race with innate stasis and 50 other things" just makes for a mess 00:10:28 MarvinPA: similarly with Dj, humans with EP would be really distinct 00:10:34 precisely, yes 00:10:46 you mean, moon trolls? 00:10:55 too bad, EP doesn't work by itself 00:11:00 Fo's mutation screen only has 7 lines. I haven't heard of any players getting confused by it 00:11:10 instead we have EP and weird fire immunity and weird slow flight and loads of complicated special cases 00:11:15 Dj try to avoid EP problems by glow but current iteration just doesn't work 00:11:30 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7209432 -- did I do this right? 00:11:34 I'd call Fo not weird enough rather than too weird 00:12:10 so should we forget humans? 00:12:10 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:32 SamB: Humans are weird in their normality. 00:12:38 hmm, true 00:13:13 bh: level_id has its own marshalling which could be simpler 00:13:25 I mean, you always use it as a whole struct 00:14:06 kilobyte: sorry if I shouted at you earlier! 00:14:23 it depends also on what mechanism you'd want to use for changing monster selection. If the custom monster set code, you don't need to store it at all. 00:14:29 I'm just worried if I don't speak up now then I'll never get an answer 00:14:44 buppy: with me, _not_ shouting enough means stuff never gets done 00:15:05 WTH is level_id 8 bytes long ... 00:15:19 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 00:15:43 marshalled as two bytes, though 00:15:55 of course 00:16:27 its other form, packed_place, could go now that there's no level_type weirdness to go with it 00:22:52 kilobyte: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7209516 00:24:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:45 oh, derp -- line 70-73 are too long 00:25:33 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:27:49 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:53 does break quit the case statement, the if statement, or the whole function? 00:28:10 case 00:28:22 thanks 00:28:25 assuming those are the only things it's in 00:28:28 abyssal_state.branch = level_id(BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON, 19) 00:28:51 it can't break you out of an if or a function, only a loop or a switch 00:29:38 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 00:29:39 Real Men disregard Dijkstra and use goto 00:30:00 dijkstra never meant you shouldn't ever use goto 00:30:08 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:13 -!- henry__ has quit [Client Quit] 00:31:23 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:31:51 Absolutes Considered Harmful 00:33:11 Grunt: well said about Platon-based religions 00:33:59 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:51 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:37:04 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:02 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:41 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:51:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:59:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:01:25 -!- Kenran has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:24 -!- jameyd has quit [Quit: jameyd] 01:05:51 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:05:59 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-445-g388476e (34) 01:11:32 My webtiles server is throwing IO errors all over the place, and I'm not sure why, could anybody give me a hand? 01:12:47 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:51 -!- dg__ has quit [] 01:19:43 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6486 <- i think i fixed the acquirement scroll abuse, some feedback would be appreciated 01:20:05 Somefellow: were you having permission issues recently? 01:20:21 I dont think so 01:20:32 you said something about a directory not being created 01:21:03 Oh yeah 01:21:06 Like I said, IO issues 01:21:12 whaty kind 01:21:14 It doesn't like creating folders/files 01:21:21 Naruni: I'm afraid this only works around this particular outcome, while not handling other ways of save corruption 01:22:10 the game getting saved from a signal handler is a pretty scary thing 01:22:31 kilobyte: i agree. but it fixes the acquirement procedure doesn't it? 01:22:42 Now my server's throwing UTF-8 errors 01:22:55 Somefellow: what os? 01:22:56 (on Windows, this is not a real signal but something that spawns a new thread, but that merely replaces malloc lock-ups with all other kinds of breakage) 01:23:02 CentOS 6 01:23:20 is your glibc updated 01:23:34 Naruni: not really, it breaks saves just the same, I'm afraid 01:23:47 :( 01:23:53 damn i worked hard on that one 01:24:03 um 01:24:23 breaking saves? i was just trying to prevent someone from infinite acquiring 01:24:24 Package glibc-2.12-1.107.el6_4.5.x86_64 already installed and latest version 01:24:50 I mean, no obvious corruption but merely not losing the scroll is an a quite likely outcome 01:25:47 kilobyte: so this is a windows based fuckup? 01:26:44 Somefellow: what errors exactly? 01:26:58 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:17 it depends on what the game was doing at that precise moment 01:27:32 http://pastebin.centos.org/5361/ 01:27:48 Currently suck on this 01:27:49 stuck* 01:28:08 as a memory corruption situation, literally anything can happen 01:28:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- Hailley has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- debo has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- tupper has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- thened has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- the_glow has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:23 -!- lavos has quit [*.net *.split] 01:28:41 Somefellow: well, that's pretty obvious. You need to give it an UTF-8 locale. 01:28:52 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:01 It may be obvious *what* I have to do 01:29:06 But *how* 01:29:21 I've tryed a few different ways already 01:29:46 let me google that for you 01:29:59 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:15 I tried this 01:30:16 [root@server ~]# export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 01:30:16 [root@server ~]# export LANG="$LC_ALL" 01:30:18 Didnt do much 01:30:23 you need to copy the relevant locale files into the chroot 01:30:52 http://pastebin.centos.org/5366/ 01:30:57 kilobyte: what about writing in some savefile data into the uncancleable.* to keep data from falling out of memory? 01:31:03 apparently thats not UTF8 enough for it 01:32:22 Naruni: won't help, as the game itself is being saved at a wrong time 01:32:33 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 01:32:40 in particular, it can be modifying just that structure 01:34:14 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:35:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:36 I think ive taken enough shit from centod 01:37:39 centos 01:37:47 Ill try a different OS 01:37:51 Somefellow: use arch :) 01:38:41 Ill admit, never used it 01:38:51 But, i dont have much to lose 01:38:53 its easy... have you ever used gentoo? 01:39:10 Im a Ubuntu/CentOS fag 01:39:42 give arch a shot, it requires a lot of attention but it has good core fundamentals 01:40:17 and you can actually allow it to age without updating frequently, things just work 01:40:34 kinda like slack in a way 01:41:19 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:42:56 kilobyte: im not grasping the idea of the wrong time of saving... if the problem is not writing to memory that an int of inv item has decreased, why not just force it before any save occurace could take place? 01:43:03 Well, seems i dont get to use Arch 01:44:39 user clicks acquirement scroll, game writes data to savefile, user clicks X, user reloads and save stuff is saved 01:45:09 you are right it doesnt fix level gen problems and the like but i figure those would be solved on their own 01:46:02 Somefellow: why? 01:47:41 Host doesnt offer it 01:47:53 Ventos, debian, fedora suse or ubuntu 01:47:58 centos* 01:48:03 host? 01:48:41 The company that i buy the server off 01:48:50 you dont have access to the metal? 01:48:57 -!- xFleury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:50 No 01:50:04 try debian... if youre using it from a host you might be running under a VM 01:50:18 i dont know im getting drunk so i could be full of shit 01:52:13 if youre paying for this server call the customer support line and get a hold of someone who can actually help. make them earn their money 01:53:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:54:46 -!- trckry has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:02 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:56 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:15:21 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:15:33 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:17:01 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:17:19 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:38 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:19:07 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:20:51 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:21:16 -!- keszocze has quit [Client Quit] 02:21:59 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:24 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:22:45 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:23:15 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:36 -!- Roarke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:50 Roarke_: hello 02:24:56 Sup. 02:24:57 you should try your game again 02:25:00 !nick Roarke 02:25:00 No nick mapping for roarke. 02:25:10 Son of a bitch 02:25:12 Get out, me. 02:25:15 I want my name back. 02:25:18 um 02:25:25 you can just /join ##crawl-dev on your original client 02:25:36 I don't have an original client 02:25:37 i assume youre using the web thingy on your other nick too 02:25:44 I'm using the browser 02:25:44 ...how are you on irc then 02:25:48 then type it in there 02:25:50 yeah you need to like, okay 02:26:37 -!- Roarke_ has quit [Client Quit] 02:26:50 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:56 there you go 02:27:11 Aye, thanks. 02:27:45 Roarke the Black Belt (L21 DgTm) (Forest:5) 02:32:53 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 02:33:57 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-445-g388476e (34) 02:50:00 What does !nick actually do? 02:50:22 You have multiple CSZO/CAO accounts 02:50:29 And you want the bots to recognize them as one person 02:50:32 -!- Senjai has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:50:35 So you !nick them 02:50:39 Like 02:50:42 !nick elynae 02:50:42 Mapping elynae => elynae elynaeandxom hyperelynae danceswithwargs mossforestblossombat cretiantourist dwarfmountainbat huckleberryfinn phasebat mossforthemossgod sugarplumbat elynaeisdiving nacreous cerebovssquire thisissparta marquisronove ghostfacedbat fruitybat dissolution johnmilton ennui cang leotrogsky ultraelynae elynaedreamselectric halfanhour bfbat9000 danceswithpillars nietzchei kikugaar... 02:50:50 So all those people come up under Elynae 02:53:20 Why the heck does that person have that many users 02:53:35 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:38 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:54:00 He probably plays certain types of games under different names 02:54:06 And wants to separate them 02:54:07 Hm 02:54:15 Fair enough I guess 02:54:27 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:37 he just does 02:55:43 no one else really has nearly that many 02:56:32 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-445-g388476e (34) 02:56:36 !nick minqmay 02:56:37 Mapping minqmay => minmay hypmuminmay hyperminmay martinlutherkingjr 02:56:43 Okay here's a better example 02:57:08 !nick Somefellow 02:57:08 No nick mapping for somefellow. 02:57:09 woo 02:57:10 minqmay has his vault creator name, his hyper account, and some dumb names that I don't know anything about. 02:57:13 !nick Roarke 02:57:13 No nick mapping for roarke. 02:57:21 !nick awfulplayers 02:57:21 Mapping awfulplayers => NyaaKitty Zicher Kilobyte Ragdoll daek phyphor murphy_slaw arcturus chapayev luterac soadreqm ponce wop lordsloth sealer neil poncheis kamina shyguy sorbius perryman oxeimon oneeyedjack lawman tgw xw raskol kellhus elynae barnex wheals djanatyn roarke 02:57:30 There, I'm at the end of the awfulplayers at any rate 02:57:38 Lol 02:58:05 brb 02:59:09 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:59:17 -!- Roarke has left ##crawl-dev 03:02:27 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:03:08 -!- Brutis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:04:40 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:05:53 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:07:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 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26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9b3623f6ee9 06:54:59 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:25 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:11:27 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 07:12:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:12:28 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:25 kilobyte: could it act as all 4 elemental enhancer staves combined? 07:16:48 ie boosts all 4 schools and uses evocations for melee 07:17:32 that'd be a wee bit overpowered 07:17:54 hmm... actually, archmagi does this, and you're not going to use more spell schools anyway 07:18:29 what I meant would only have rF+, rC+, rElec and nothing else 07:18:35 (since that's all the 4 staves get) 07:19:13 ....i was about to ask a really stupid question 07:20:30 but having it act as an all-element enhancer probably wouldn't be too out of line. it's not as if it is nearly as common as the individual element staves 07:21:28 <|amethyst> all four staves 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spellset error by minstrel 07:36:02 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.13 07:36:02 07|amethyst02 * 0.13.0-26-gf7ffa3a: Don't wind blast monsters through walls (Naruni, #7434) 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7ffa3a73a64 07:41:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-454-g7477395: Correct a renamed spell in two Sprints (#7678). 10(67 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7477395d9c42 07:44:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:14:43 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:55 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:10 !seen elliptic 08:15:11 I last saw elliptic at Mon Oct 28 13:21:04 2013 UTC (23h 54m 6s ago) quitting with message 'Client Quit'. 08:15:11 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:28 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:17:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection 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09:18:15 -!- palyth has quit [] 09:29:15 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:31:01 -!- fungee has quit [] 09:41:19 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:21 When I was contemplating the Elemental Staff, the idea I had was to have it do stochastic power enhancement of elemental spells - sort of like the dragonskin cloak and elemental resistances, but on the offence side. 09:46:48 that's super lame, because you usually know what you are casting 09:47:02 and can just acquire the staff you need 09:47:27 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:48:18 (i don't mean the idea is lame, just that i wouldn't see a reason to use the staff for that. it currently also has a ton of resists, so, whatever) 09:49:19 If you're focusing on a staff for power enhancement, a specialist staff should probably be better than a generalist staff, yes? 09:49:37 (... assuming you have a focus on some elemental school, of course.) 09:49:45 kilobyte: the only problem i am aware of with variable speed is how temperature works (kiting to hit max temp) 09:50:00 Grunt: there also is staff of conj for generalists 09:50:12 Not every spell an elementalist casts is a conjuration! 09:50:22 those that need power mostly are 09:50:26 the formula right now permits hitting max tension eventually from eessentially anything; if it had exponential decay, and were scaled properly to typical dungeon-encountered tensions, I think variable speed should be fine 09:50:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:29 that being said, it's not a mandatory part of the LO experience 09:52:35 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:52:39 i do wonder if there just might not be enough interest in fixing tension, though 09:53:31 they could instead do something like gain heat when they attack in melee 09:54:08 then a top-level heat ability of heat aura + mesmerized would make a lot of sense 10:05:33 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:09 Hm, I just had the remaining details of an unrand idea pop into my head. 10:06:14 * Grunt goes to code it up to show to people... 10:08:14 -!- Nex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:08:22 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:08:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:08:55 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 10:13:20 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:14:13 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:25:47 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 10:27:07 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:31 dunno if this is a bug; just looks weird: http://i.imgur.com/pycEs3E.png 10:27:34 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:29:19 <|amethyst> xFleury: the ely altar not having shoreline? 10:29:37 yah; it's very minor 10:30:07 since it's likely rare to generate this, I figured I'd say something 10:30:11 <|amethyst> not sure if that's just an oversight, or if some technical problem prevents it 10:30:36 <|amethyst> probably the latter: see also the stairs 10:31:46 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: are there technical reasons for not drawing shoreline around things like altars in shoals? xFleury pointed out http://i.imgur.com/pycEs3E.png 10:32:18 http://sprunge.us/GcNG 10:32:21 * Grunt heads out... 10:39:40 Blood sprite under labyrinth entrance chnages every turn by Suseika 10:41:40 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:43:06 ??hexes miscast 10:43:07 enchantment miscast[1/1]: 1: corona / random uselessness 2: curse / slowing / berserk 3: 3x curse / paralysis / confusion / 0-18 glow. Charms and Hexes miscasts still use the old Enchantment miscasts. 10:43:26 ugh 10:44:00 1/16 chance for severity 3 10:44:12 also, curses 10:46:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:07 -!- tksquared has quit [Client Quit] 10:57:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:00:04 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:02 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07:50 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:17:17 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:18:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:25:16 -!- Roarke has left ##crawl-dev 11:27:45 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:27:47 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:46 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:51 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:32:14 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:50 -!- gnsh has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:36:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:24 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:36:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:23 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 11:48:22 !tell Grunt Hat looks good to me! 11:48:24 dpeg: OK, I'll let grunt know. 11:49:37 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:51:39 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:57:45 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:57:51 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:26 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 12:07:13 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.0-26-gf7ffa3a 12:08:50 buppy: after some thinking, an artefact enhancer staff that combines all four elements would be fine. Effectively, if you're a FE, it would be a regular staff of fire with added rC+ rElec AC+5. 12:09:36 (with some details about damage) 12:10:06 that would work without being even a notch overpowered (compared to avg unrand power level) 12:10:12 could be a bit boring, though 12:10:37 but then, the current Elemental Staff even with my change is pretty damn boring 12:11:15 Have it attack in a random element with damage based on your highest elemental skill. 12:11:55 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:01 abyss without 3s is very relaxing 12:12:44 ok, let's have a small brainstorm. Take the _theme_ of the Elemental Staff (blah blah staff of the head of the Guild of Four Elements), toss away its current properties, and design something from scratch. 12:13:45 Evoke for a random, exhausting -9 mp level 9 spell? 12:14:06 "The BIG rod" 12:15:56 what do you have in mind? 12:17:12 I kind of had an afterthought here of having it both be a rod of striking (except with big, random elemental damage) and the random level 9 spell as an evocation. 12:18:10 I consider the current rod of striking a failure, BTW. Fixable with some tweaking of numbers, probably. 12:18:35 well, most people would just swap it in for the big boom then go back to their regular stick 12:19:10 it's probably okay if you're a small race that can't wield the big sticks 12:19:18 like a spriggan or something 12:19:38 striking? 12:19:43 yes 12:20:32 well, I balanced it for D:1 Evoc:3, and late game M&F 14 Evoc 27 12:20:56 but that's probably too narrow a niche, considering how rare getting a particular rod is 12:21:00 The problem with that is just that Evoc 27 is a huge, huge investment. 12:21:29 and if you have one of elemental skills, a staff is clearly best 12:21:34 And just happening to find a rod of striking when you're pumping evocations that high is a very big assumption. 12:22:05 If you're a caster, you usually don't have the experience to pump evocations high as all hell too. 12:22:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-454-g7477395 (34) 12:22:35 Since what's keeping you alive is your spells - which you have to use against ever tougher enemies. 12:25:31 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:54 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:23 you usually want 10-14 evoc, 27 fire/cold/copromancy/... 12:27:55 and unliked rods of striking, enhancer staves are something you can plan for 12:28:03 And then some more evocations for the Orb of Randomly Setting Your MP to 0 for extended. 12:28:31 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:28:36 you use a quarterstaff/lajatang then the first scroll of acq has IIRC 80% chance to get you the correct enhancer staff 12:29:00 after 10th rune you're quite free to bump it further, yes 12:29:16 but after the 10th rune what's even the point of meleeing things other than desperation 12:29:34 mana doesn't grow on trees... 12:29:53 You're likely to have a staff of energy by then. 12:30:03 an enhancer staff is one of best weapons despite taking little _weapon_ skill investment 12:30:03 and if not there's always blind luck or vehumet/tso 12:30:27 long story short 12:30:34 enhancer staves outclass rods of striking for mages 12:30:37 even with vehu, you're better off swatting those ufetubi by hand 12:30:41 yeah 12:30:56 due to less irrelevant investment 12:30:58 the only case where casting is always better is lich^Sif 12:31:00 in fact there's almost none 12:31:29 it also makes your spells stronger so that's also cool 12:31:41 (wait, even that is wrong: silence) 12:31:46 yeah 12:31:58 for melee guys... 12:32:08 so the rod could use a bump 12:32:10 Great maces are more common than rods of striking. 12:32:23 and outclass it until far, far later 12:32:57 alternatively, Ar could get it on D:1 12:33:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:20 So basically rods of striking - at the moment - are for stabbers with huge evocations who failed at stabbing something. 12:33:43 It smells like a good idea to give it to Ar. 12:33:52 why stabbers? Any M&F melee Nemelexite. 12:34:01 which is a pretty narrow niche... 12:34:05 Even if 'starting equipment isn't supposed to last you your entire game'. 12:34:39 M&F Melee Nemelexite / Weird evocations stabbers niche + Big rarity 12:34:45 yeah this kinda needs something 12:35:10 an Ar who's going to cast spells will switch to a staff 12:35:37 An Ar who's on D:5 will probably like whacking that ogre for big damage. 12:35:45 a M&F Ar who's not going to go all-out Evoc will grab a dwhip (or maybe a great mace) 12:36:26 D:5... 9ish skill might be ok 12:36:54 (IIRC I balanced it quadratically... I don't remember how it scales in comparison with the competition) 12:37:12 Any stats on how much damage it'd do with about 8 evocations? 12:37:16 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 16-40 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 119 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 12:37:16 %??Ogre 12:37:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:42 you need to mess with the source to fsim it 12:39:08 I'm just thinking in the plain mathematical sense. 12:39:09 also, unlike staves or dwhips, it doesn't work at full efficiency all the time 12:39:20 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:33 orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 18-39 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 133 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:39:33 %??Orc warrior 12:40:09 it's good while charged then starts sucking in a prolonged fight (IIRC max recharge rate is 40% of mindelay attack speed) 12:41:31 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:41:53 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:36 -!- medgno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:48:35 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:48:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:50:45 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:51:10 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:53:03 back to the Elemental Staff for now. Current ideas I got are: 1. same props as currently, 1-handed staff with more consistent damage; 2. an enhancer staff for all four elements with damage using your highest skill, no resists other than rF+ rC+ rElec AC+5 ("only") 12:53:21 1. could lose that 60 MR for extra damage, too 12:54:37 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:27 xom_obstacle_run gives "You can't go down here!" message. by Skrybe 13:06:08 ??elemental staff 13:06:09 elemental staff[1/1]: +3,+1 staff with protection (+5 AC), Hunger, Noises, rF++, rC++, MR++. If you're interested in staves of (element), see {enhancer} or {staff damage}. 13:06:51 That entry isn't quite accurate any longer, I don't think? 13:07:51 !learn edit elemental_staff[1] s/staff/quarterstaff/ 13:07:52 elemental staff[1/1]: +3,+1 quarterstaff with protection (+5 AC), Hunger, Noises, rF++, rC++, MR++. If you're interested in staves of (element), see {enhancer} or {staff damage}. 13:07:59 (updated to 0.13 state) 13:09:13 trunk is: +3 quarterstaff {Noisy rF++ rC++ rElec AC+5 MR60, flaming/freezing/elec/vorpal brand} 13:09:33 but I'm unhappy with current trunk 13:10:36 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:01 IMO get rid of the MR60 and apply (some variation of) the enhancer effect. 13:11:08 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:12:03 first thing: it's useless for melee chars (no damage output), and stuff casters want to swap with it is one-handed 13:12:44 second thing: enhancer would be nice if we don't want swapping it when resists are needed, holding something better most of the time 13:12:56 or alternatively, decent melee damage 13:14:27 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:56 !learm edit elemental_staff[1] s/^/In 0.13-, / 13:16:02 !learn edit elemental_staff[1] s/^/In 0.13-, / 13:16:03 elemental staff[1/1]: In 0.13-, +3,+1 quarterstaff with protection (+5 AC), Hunger, Noises, rF++, rC++, MR++. If you're interested in staves of (element), see {enhancer} or {staff damage}. 13:17:42 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:19:18 ..You could make it the unrandart lajatang that doesn't exist. 13:23:21 * Grunt watches someone play with new Piercer... 13:23:43 kilobyte: have you considered one with four modes you can switch between? 13:23:55 That sounds like it would be awkward to use. 13:25:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:25:41 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:26:45 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26:46 don't laugh, but during one of rod design shoutstorms I considered a rod that has no-menu evocation via 'v', while 'V ' lets you select one of five settings 13:27:01 and they were "still kicking" , ..., "well done", "extra crispy" 13:27:27 I'm kind of enamored with the idea of making it act like a combination of the four elemental staves, but somehow strictly slightly worse than any one of them if you're specialising in exactly one school of magic. 13:27:36 kilobyte: <3 <3 <3 at those settings! 13:27:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:21 lemme find the English wording 13:28:41 "pink on the inside", "slightly broiled"? 13:28:51 s/slightly/lightly/ but yes! 13:28:54 "still kicking", "extra rare", "medium", "well done", "extra crispy" 13:29:22 (I think Bloax doesn't get it <_<) 13:30:20 i am secretly in the skies 13:34:14 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:31 14:33 <@DarkGod> hum speaking of tome4 are we ? 13:35:32 14:33 <@Giomancer> Yep 13:35:32 14:33 < Maurog> yes, it got Greenlit and all, so we're discussing 13:35:32 14:33 <@DarkGod> it got greenlit ?? 13:35:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:36:53 I like that response 13:37:06 kilobyte: well it turns out my problem with backtracei.c was because of a bad cast; an address was being sign-extended inappropriately ... 13:37:16 It's like those scam prize winning emails 13:37:27 "I was in a contest? What? 13:38:19 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:38:49 SamB: somehow I never got around to applying that after my previous round 13:39:28 it's not a patch anyway, it's just sample code 13:39:48 Giomancer: apparently it got greenlit while he was on a trip and he just got back 13:39:53 (it and a bunch of other RLs) 13:40:44 Yeah, I saw CQ2 13:40:55 !lm wheals rune 1 -game 13:40:56 wheals:cszo:20121127013633S. wheals the Conqueror (L27 OgBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:4 on 2012-12-30 00:10:33, with 594544 points after 115456 turns and 6:51:02. 13:41:03 Only one I recognized off the bat. :p 13:42:05 -!- tarantoga has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:47 Grunt: too bad, having 'V' do something else than 'v' might be a bad idea 13:45:51 perhaps 'a'? 13:45:55 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47:04 kilobyte: anyway the sample at http://people.redhat.com/jkratoch/backtracei.c has been fixed ... 13:47:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:48:52 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:15 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:24 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 14:05:28 -!- barnex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:42 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:48 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:45 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 14:22:06 was giving "sniper" parrow venom instead of normal venom brought up before? 14:25:14 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:33:52 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:33:56 * Grunt makes an important bugfix to the unrand-in-progress: http://sprunge.us/SLNi 14:34:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:32 i thought the hat of the archmagi was a joke >.> 14:35:52 is noisy enough to balance that? 14:36:18 I admit I initially suggested it half-jokingly, but having the miscast effect on top of everything else is enough to make players think hard about if they want to use it. 14:36:34 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:42 I need a tile or two for it now >_> 14:37:01 is there a reason to have stealth- on top of noisy? 14:37:08 seems kind of redundant 14:37:26 it's pretty hard to find any cases you'd want to use it 14:37:39 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:37:54 severity 3 miscasts, of any school, are not something you can easily stomach 14:38:07 is it a 1 in 200 chance each turn? or every time you cast? 14:38:16 ??enchantment miscasts 14:38:16 I don't have a page labeled enchantment_miscasts in my learndb. 14:38:24 That's a 1 in 200 chance on a turn-by-turn basis. 14:38:25 ??charms miscasts 14:38:26 I don't have a page labeled charms_miscasts in my learndb. 14:38:27 (I think?) 14:38:32 ??divinations miscast 14:38:32 ??enchantment miscast 14:38:33 divination miscast[1/1]: 1: confuse/nothing 2: (1d3 int loss / 3-12 mp loss) and confuse 3: (5-24 mp loss / 3-5 int loss) and confuse 14:38:33 enchantment miscast[1/1]: 1: corona / random uselessness 2: curse / slowing / berserk 3: 3x curse / paralysis / confusion / 0-18 glow. Charms and Hexes miscasts still use the old Enchantment miscasts. 14:38:41 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:38:52 with clarity it should be safe 14:38:55 random paralysis 14:38:57 great 14:38:58 except fr paralysis 14:39:06 the glow isn't funny either 14:39:10 ok, that sounds interesting then. i missed that before 14:39:10 1 in 200 per cast is pretty trivial i would think 14:39:16 I'm still tinkering with the miscast effect, really; I need to figure out how severe and how often it triggers. 14:39:22 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39:24 miscast glow you mean? 14:39:32 Right now I think I erred on the side of "too much downside". 14:39:32 yes, contam 14:39:47 the hat itself is also contam i believe but i assume that's just to limit swaps 14:39:55 Grunt: What's the idea at the moment? 14:40:25 Unrand: the +2 hat of the High Council {Archmagi, Contam Noisy Int+5 Stlth-}; inflicts occasional enchantment miscasts on the wearer. 14:40:35 limiting it to specifically divination miscasts a la cboe and making it like 1 in 80 turns might work 14:40:45 (I'm kind of envisioning it glowing brightly like the plutonium sword.) 14:40:50 something like robe of folly's disadvantage is really much better than the disadvantage of randomly dying to paralysis or getting horribly mutates 14:41:05 since it's a horrid disadvantage but one you can attempt to take tactical countermeasures for 14:41:17 Why not make it function like wild magic? 14:41:25 wild magic is probably a little too strong 14:41:32 instead of "right, I died because the para triggered right in front of a brimstone fiend" 14:41:40 I don't want it to have every possible negative miscast effect. 14:41:51 -!- scummos has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:00 what if you had it make some sort of check based on spellcasting 14:43:11 again, i'm thinking in analogy to cboe failures decreasing with evo 14:43:19 Oh, you mean the wild magic mutation. 14:43:23 yes 14:43:25 That could be interesting, actually. 14:43:31 basically archmagi but anti-wizardry 14:43:54 wild magic seems like it's too easy to just skill up a little more 14:43:56 if the jester hat isn't going to exist and therefore won't use that idea, why not 14:44:19 it still shouts racial slurs all over the place 14:44:20 and for some spells it is not so easy to just skill up and fix everything 14:44:31 and level 9 spells are very hard to skill up for 14:44:32 if you needed to go up very high just to get it castable in the first place 14:44:47 of course, you might counteract it with actual wizardry 14:45:03 Grunt: heh, that hat looks like one I had on mantis. I think I like your version more though! 14:45:07 you could be right that it's too weak a downside 14:45:34 it's wild magic except without being forced 14:45:36 what's not to love 14:45:38 -!- scummos has quit [Client Quit] 14:45:54 -!- scummos has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:58 i might get rid of the int+5 if you go the wild magic route 14:47:07 really i might get rid of it either way 14:47:30 if anything hat of ponderousness could use a little int buff 14:48:07 -!- scummos has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:56 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:03:51 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:03 http://sprunge.us/iMEA 15:04:14 (todo: figure out a nice way to do a Wiz- inscription) 15:05:12 Grunt: might be easier to do it in world_reacts(), as the noisy property already sucks bigtime 15:05:39 I mean, artefacts with noises which don't suck implement it some other way 15:05:46 (Singing Sword, Gong) 15:06:17 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:06:59 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I think the previous version did both 15:07:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:10 <|amethyst> well, had a world_reacts and the "noisy" flag, but I guess the latter didn't do anything 15:10:17 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:10:26 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:10:47 * kilobyte got the elemental staff in a real game, and was strongly annoyed how inappropriate the messages were to the staff's theme. 15:10:53 FR: a way to add custom a string to inscriptions from art-data.txt 15:11:04 *a custom string 15:11:16 the few lines I wrote are just a quick and dirty job 15:11:22 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:11:22 That sounds useful. 15:11:34 the +6,+6 crossbow "Hellfire" {hellfire, [...]} 15:11:56 the +2 hat of the High Council {Archmagi, Wiz- [...]} 15:13:14 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:56 I'd keep the int. 15:16:05 but that's me 15:21:31 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:55 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:57 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:27 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:27:50 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:31:04 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:37 -!- Kenran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:37:31 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:39:44 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(D:1) 16:34:36 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:42 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 16:40:11 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:06 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:43:43 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:43 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 16:43:43 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:30 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:49:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:50:04 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:51:22 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:35 |amethyst: yes, the shoals thing is because of tech limitations 16:56:45 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:59 i can make it so shorelines get drawn on those squares, but if i do so then they get drawn -over- the feature 16:57:07 which is clearly not okay 16:57:30 <|amethyst> and there aren't any other layers available between the floor tile and the feature tile? 16:58:11 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:58:17 the only one between those two is the wall layer 16:58:33 so if the shorelines could get drawn there, theat'd work 16:58:40 since no walls will have shoreline on them 16:58:47 but that's beyond my coding capabilities 16:59:26 ontoclasm: what part of that is hard? 16:59:40 where is the relevant code anyway? 16:59:46 uhm 16:59:51 ontoclasm: How do shorelines over walls look anyways? 17:00:00 i looked into doing this a while ago, but i've sort of forgotten what i did 17:00:06 tiledgnbuf i think 17:00:21 lemme look 17:00:29 do you have it stashed or something? 17:00:51 I often find interesting things when I go through my old stashes 17:00:51 no, the change i made was really simple and looked dumb so i just trashed it 17:01:08 I tend to stash those 17:01:24 or commit a comment about it so I can find the place again 17:02:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:21 looks like it's in tilecell 17:03:11 in _pack_shoal_waves 17:03:55 if all the _add_overlay lines could instead put stuff in the wall layer that'd be perfect 17:03:57 ...i think 17:04:27 but i don't think the wall layer can even have multiple things in it 17:04:38 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:05:50 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:07:04 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:28 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:10:24 <|amethyst> and probably all this would need to be done twice 17:10:31 <|amethyst> once there and once in the webtiles javascript code 17:11:19 <|amethyst> "all this" = changing the model so there is a separate layer for shoreline, shadows, etc in the appropriate place above floor but beneath features 17:11:49 yeah 17:12:00 ...wait, do wall shadows not render under features either 17:12:14 <|amethyst> hm, didn't check 17:12:24 <|amethyst> if they do, that might suggest a fix 17:12:37 -!- Kenran_ has quit [Quit: Quitting] 17:14:32 -!- Brokkr has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:14:37 -!- zoopp has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:17:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 17:27:27 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:26 -!- eclecticist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30:43 -!- Nex has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:24 -!- Croesus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:37 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:33:38 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:22 http://sprunge.us/TPUB 17:35:13 ...hat round 3! 17:36:01 <|amethyst> Grunt: what's the item_def::name_aux change for? 17:36:49 |amethyst: consistently with the weapon case; without it, the noises show up as "The wizard hat [...]". 17:38:18 <|amethyst> hm... what else uses basename for armour? 17:38:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:50 <|amethyst> btw, best shell function ever: 17:39:03 <|amethyst> tag () { vim -c "tag $*"; } 17:39:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:39:19 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:22 -!- Zenry has quit [Client Quit] 17:40:14 <|amethyst> also vimgrep () { local pattern=$1; shift; vim -c "vimgrep ^Apattern^A $*"; } except those should be real ctrl-as 17:40:16 Poking through the code now... 17:40:56 <|amethyst> DESC_BASENAME is used for dbname && !know_type, but that's irrelevant for an unrand 17:41:02 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:41:30 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-455-g15fdb53: Join Snakebite with Sniper, blowgun Assassin, Accuracy and LCS. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15fdb53f75a8 17:41:30 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-456-g8452be9: Add big fat (but not fat or scary enough) warnings about save corruption. 10(50 minutes ago, 4 files, 21+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8452be9eac29 17:41:32 The Hat of the High Council says "...perhaps magic is not for you." 17:41:32 <|amethyst> otoh, it might cause problems for other items 17:41:32 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:42:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:14 <|amethyst> e.g. make sure that xv-describing an unknown amulet doesn't leak its type in the description 17:42:40 Tiles action prompts, item mimics, the melee prompt saying "Your prevents you from hitting ", some Xom messages. 17:42:42 <|amethyst> oh, right, your code is specific to armour 17:44:00 <|amethyst> "Your Maxwell's patent armour prevents you from hitting the kobold!" 17:44:16 The transparent wizard hat is a mimic! 17:44:17 _The inept transparent wizard hat mimic hits you but does no damage. 17:44:25 ...this strikes me as a problem, somehow. 17:44:33 <|amethyst> yeah 17:44:53 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-457-g7e64cc4: Macabre finger tile (pubby, 7642) 10(42 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e64cc4a4b8f 17:44:55 ravenous distressingly furry chain mail mimic 17:45:02 The wizard hat of the Red Skies is a mimic! 17:45:03 _The inept wizard hat of the Red Skies mimic hits you. 17:45:39 Actually, I wonder... 17:45:47 isn't the right answer to the SIGINT / SIGHUP stuff to set a global flag and check it before any read? 17:45:55 The ebony falchion is a mimic! 17:45:55 _The inept ebony falchion mimic hits you but does no damage. 17:46:02 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46:08 (note that I didn't touch the weapon code at all) 17:47:46 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 17:47:51 Actually, I have an idea. 17:48:40 s/BASENAME/DBNAME/ for item mimic purposes, at least for monster::mimic_name. 17:48:46 The crystal falchion is a mimic! 17:48:47 _The inept falchion mimic hits you but does no damage. 17:49:02 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:04 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:49:05 s/monster::/monster_info::/ 17:49:09 that sounds better 17:49:45 ...do rune mimics still display as "rune of Zot mimic" 17:49:58 if so they should probably just be "rune mimics" 17:50:10 The decaying rune of Zot is a mimic! 17:50:10 _The inept rune mimic completely misses you. 17:50:19 (this is after my change; I'd have to check before) 17:50:20 neat 17:50:58 It is rune mimic before that change, yeah. 17:52:42 do mimics in shoals cause the graphical glitch? 17:53:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:30 http://sprunge.us/MHhY 17:54:15 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:28 buppy: until they reveal themselves :C 17:54:49 thanks for the finger amulet by the way 17:55:56 ...thinking of dumb mimic tricks 17:56:02 ontoclasm: glad it was of use. sorry for forgetting the shadow though! 17:56:03 what happens if you put an fcloud over a potion mimic 17:56:15 ontoclasm: nothing, because floor item destruction is an unthing now. 17:56:16 no probs, i have to put shadows on like 50% of the tiles i get 17:56:21 orly 17:56:28 i thought i only got removed for beams 17:56:33 %git HEAD^{/unthing} 17:56:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-216-g4c7f5a8: Make ground item destruction an unthing. 10(3 weeks ago, 6 files, 0+ 123-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c7f5a82f8af 17:56:51 Note the cloud.cc change 17:56:51 . 17:57:23 mm 17:58:26 <|amethyst> kilobyte: re SIGWINCH, we are explicitly ignoring KEY_RESIZE (502efc8e) because it was giving "Unknown command" every time the window was resized 18:05:52 |amethyst: if I remember correctly, it doesn't even leave get_wch() 18:06:29 it's possible I'm not remembering correctly, or it restarts the function over EINTR in only some cases 18:08:03 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:21 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:15 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:53 http://sprunge.us/PNNX 18:14:10 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:36 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:26 This is pretty much ready for prime time if we like the implementation as it stands... <_< 18:19:54 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:58 Grunt: you fail to handle having both a robe of Archmagi and the hat. 18:22:03 Oops! 18:22:23 I just noticed that myself, actually. 18:23:32 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:46 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:26:28 * buppy wonders if the the wild magic effect is related to the council being 'high' 18:26:37 buppy: possibly! 18:27:26 * SamB is kind of amused that Windows will happily execute a PE binary with a filename of "tilegen.elf" 18:28:04 What does Windows have against elves that it wants to execute them? 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ZZZzzz…] 20:09:13 -!- st_ has quit [] 20:10:48 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:08 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:05 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15:25 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:31 !seen kilobyte 20:15:31 I last saw kilobyte at Wed Oct 30 00:05:26 2013 UTC (1h 10m 5s ago) joining the channel. 20:15:50 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:16:36 kilobyte: upon thinking some about the abyss branches, the best thing I could come up with is this: map each level of the abyss to some depth and then sample around that depth for a branch 20:17:31 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20:12 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 20:20:19 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:20:43 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all! :D] 20:20:48 Grunt: stop button mashing 20:23:04 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:57 ??bh 20:23:57 bh[1/3]: When it comes to stupid ideas, I'm your man. 20:25:39 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29:03 here's a tourney post-mortem for the develz wordpress if anyone is interested: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hsg20bufx2pxyn2/crawl_0_13_summary.html?dl=1 20:30:10 bmfx is a monster. dang 20:33:39 bmfx smash puny tourney 20:35:56 !tell dpeg From johnny0: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hsg20bufx2pxyn2/crawl_0_13_summary.html?dl=1 20:35:57 Grunt: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 20:37:38 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:46:46 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:50 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:54:29 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:36 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:06:15 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:06:53 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:58 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:58 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 21:06:58 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:16 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:10:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:10:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:12:52 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:16 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:38 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:46 -!- Zifmia has quit [Client Quit] 21:24:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-458-gfcde9f1: Use dbname for mimic_name() instead of basename. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcde9f1bc47e 21:24:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-459-g8de7c5b: Allow unrands to have a special string added to their inscription. 10(4 hours ago, 4 files, 22+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8de7c5b38b6e 21:24:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-460-g5704405: Unrand: the +2 hat of the High Council {Archmagi, Wiz- Noisy Contam Stlth-}. 10(7 hours ago, 10 files, 52+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5704405f15c9 21:26:08 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:20 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:33:53 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:37:31 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:05 -!- tarantoga has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 21:40:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:05 -!- Nex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:45:26 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:45:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:46:09 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Quit: i read it as endless space jams i was like yeah i'd watch that movie over and over i guess] 21:46:30 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:51:21 -!- Ganrao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:49 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:09 Basil (L17 DsMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Snake:2) 21:55:38 Basil (L17 DsMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Snake:2) 21:55:47 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:51 -!- Ganrao has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:55:56 Huh 21:56:03 why is evolution considered beneficial? 21:56:04 I think I crashed Lamia into sleeping 21:56:36 Basil (L17 DsMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Snake:2) 21:56:40 free mutations which are mostly good 21:56:43 Basil: how so? 21:57:00 Keys entered 21:57:07 !Strange runed doors 21:57:13 ![home]!Lamia, 21:57:17 And it crashes on the , 21:57:20 -!- Numberwang has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:57:55 And Lamia was asleep after the crash when she parrowed me before 21:58:03 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:58:03 huh 21:58:06 I forgot the map too 21:58:43 probably she was asleep the last time the game had been saved? 21:58:48 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:58:53 mm 21:59:03 I'm fighting a group of naga that I killed previously 21:59:10 about ~200 turns before or more 21:59:22 yes, crashing grants free time travel 22:00:11 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:56 Basil (L17 DsMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Snake:3) 22:01:00 hmm 22:01:35 Reproducible across levels 22:02:27 problem with annotation length again? 22:02:32 Basil (L17 DsMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (Snake:1) 22:02:37 Bizarre 22:02:40 Only happens in Snake 22:02:59 maybe it's because lair is only four letters 22:03:04 Basil (L17 DsMo) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:10) 22:03:05 did you try in Dungeon? 22:03:08 Alright 22:03:09 yes, you id 22:03:16 ajhsdkfljhalksjdhf 22:03:22 ![home]lamia, 22:03:28 Or rather it died on lam 22:07:32 -!- BufferUnderpants has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:07:42 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:43 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:21 -!- rbthor2 has quit [Client Quit] 22:11:48 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 22:13:09 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:17:13 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:21 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:50 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:19:05 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:38 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20:45 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20:51 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:14 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:21:41 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:22:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:22:14 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:22:43 -!- Vandal has quit [] 22:22:51 Seems it fails when I enter 30 characters 22:23:19 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:23:29 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:23:41 are you 0.13 or git? 22:23:42 Except you need to have something in there first? 22:23:43 git 22:23:48 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:23:51 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:2) 22:24:05 Now it fails immediately when I try to annotate on that level 22:24:12 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:1) 22:24:17 And on the one above 22:24:35 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:1) 22:24:47 that might be enough 22:24:59 Good thing I started testing on a different one 22:28:47 -!- crate__ is now known as crate 22:33:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:42:18 -!- eb has quit [] 22:44:12 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:44:17 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:45:18 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:45:27 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 22:48:14 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:49:57 -!- pi31415 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:55:17 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:56:48 vaguely interesting race idea from the SA thread: a race that has permanent evolution 22:56:59 (persumably not -oprecisely- but similar) 22:57:26 We have Ds for all your mutable player needs... 22:58:09 ds evolution tier 3 mutation? 22:58:55 that sounds kinda neat i guess 22:59:37 ontoclasm: Who did the centaur tiles? I want to complain 22:59:55 haha, bloax made them 23:00:12 well, i made the warriors, based on his centaurs 23:00:32 They look less distinct than the old tiles, harder to recognize, more like blobs of brown 23:00:33 but they're just minor edits obviously 23:02:22 hm 23:06:56 well... looks like they're a little darker 23:07:37 Yes I was about to say 23:08:18 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ya0aw452q6kzgzd/centaurs.png 23:08:38 er 23:08:52 yeah, i could make them brighter and more contrasty 23:10:57 The reason I said blob of brown is because the old centaur warrior had a clear upper body and lower body. The new one has the bow which covers both parts of the body and it's harder to tell what's going on at a glance. But maybe I'm just not used to them 23:12:57 hmm 23:13:25 I don't think the new tile is particularly an improvement, at least 23:13:50 It's not really all that much worse though 23:18:23 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:42 hm 23:23:31 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:25:10 -!- jameyd has quit [Quit: jameyd] 23:25:12 Don't give too much importance to what I said, I should've played with the new tiles more before giving an opinion 23:25:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:41 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/centaurs2.png 23:26:42 hm 23:26:54 is the bottom one a bit clearer? 23:27:16 i brightened it and made the... horse part... a different color 23:27:31 I like it a lot more 23:27:32 yes, that's the horse part 23:29:30 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-461-gd2e2345: Brighten centaur tiles 10(43 seconds ago, 4 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2e23456014b 23:30:37 Thanks, in my opinion these are much better 23:30:54 no prob, thanks for pointing it out 23:31:08 The centaur warrior tile is clearer as a result too 23:31:25 i play like a crazy person so i don't always notice these things 23:33:02 !learn add ontoclasm i play like a crazy person 23:33:03 ontoclasm[11/11]: i play like a crazy person 23:34:48 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:34:51 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:38:36 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:20 ??ontoclasm 23:41:20 ontoclasm[1/11]: one day i'm going to say something stupid enough to get my own learndb entry but it is not this day 23:41:27 lol 23:41:38 ??ontoclasm[8] 23:41:38 ontoclasm[8/11]: i hate players and want them to die 23:41:50 what happened THAT day? 23:42:19 i don't even remember what i was talking about for any of these 23:42:33 he was just trying to fit in with the rest of you 23:42:54 ontoclasm: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/%23%23crawl-dev-20130901.log 23:42:56 ??SamB 23:42:57 samb[1/1]: SamB is totally a developer. He ruined cursed blunt weapons -- you can butcher while wielding them now! He also ruined runes and made them look stupid. 23:43:18 oh are you responsible for phi runes 23:43:36 * SamB thinks he added that entry himself 23:43:39 phi on him! 23:43:39 * SamB was trying to fit in 23:43:44 -!- dg_ has quit [] 23:44:01 ??dpeg 23:44:02 dpeg[1/7]: If you can't be bothered to type it into the wiki, we cannot be bothered to flesh it out or code it. Use the wiki! 23:46:18 ??grunt 23:46:18 grunt[1/8]: I'm really looking forward to the point in 0.12 where someone first comes across a tornado ghost. 23:46:33 oh, i see, i was trying to ruin dwants 23:46:48 ??grunt[7 23:46:49 I don't have a page labeled grunt[7] in my learndb. 23:46:52 (somehow my entry is broken) 23:46:54 s/ruin dwants/make dwants awesome/ 23:47:05 Grunt: that's lovely 23:47:06 ??grunt[0] 23:47:06 grunt[1/8]: I'm really looking forward to the point in 0.12 where someone first comes across a tornado ghost. 23:47:10 ??grunt[-1] 23:47:11 grunt[8/8]: Grunt: you are as bad as your vaults!!!!!!!!! 23:47:12 ??grunt[-8] 23:47:13 grunt[1/8]: I'm really looking forward to the point in 0.12 where someone first comes across a tornado ghost. 23:47:15 ??grunt[-2] 23:47:16 I don't have a page labeled grunt[-2] in my learndb. 23:47:16 ??grunt[-9] 23:47:17 grunt[0/8]: Why not? 23:47:28 that would be why 23:47:35 ??grunt[-10] 23:47:35 I don't have a page labeled grunt[-10] in my learndb. 23:47:49 ??secret 23:47:50 I don't have a page labeled secret in my learndb. 23:47:51 ??secret[2 23:47:52 ??grunt[2 23:47:52 secret[2/2]: You found a secret! 23:47:52 grunt[2/8]: his puns are...*glasses*...bad 23:47:54 wheals: I don't think so ... 23:47:54 ??secret[-3 23:47:55 secret[0/2]: You found a better secret! 23:48:23 ??spen[0 23:48:24 hyperbolic[1/3]: My 0.12 SpEn guide: SKILLS: Approximate goals are as follows: 1) 8 Stabbing. 2) Invisibility at 6% fail and 10 Dodging/Stealth. 3) 12 Stabbing, 15 Dodging/Stealth, 6 Fighting, and enough Short Blades for min delay. 4) 27 Stealth, 10 Fighting, and whatever spell skills you want. 23:48:25 ??grunt[3 23:48:26 grunt[3/8]: I want it to be actively malicious :) 23:48:31 ??spen[-3] 23:48:32 spen[0/2]: O whar will I get guid stabber, To stab these Orcish Mines? 23:49:29 ??spen[2 23:49:29 hyperbolic[2/3]: STATS: Raise Str to 8, then raise Int. SPELLS: From the starting book: EH, Confuse, Invisibility. When you find them: other generally good spells like Haste, Repel Missiles, Regeneration, Dispel Undead, Apportation, Blink, Control Teleport, Phase Shift, Controlled Blink, etc. 23:50:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:56 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:57 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:55:49 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev