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'Nyo.'"] 01:00:11 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:01:43 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:10 !tell dpeg if we replaced Yiuf's hammers with maces, would it be a vile attempt on Crawl's tradition or a wise culling of superfluous items? 01:03:11 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 01:05:05 kilobyte: what about just replacing them with pies? 01:05:41 solution: replace all maces with hammers 01:05:48 what's a pie? 01:05:57 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-426-gb52781e (34) 01:06:01 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:07:08 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:07:31 -!- trckry has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:07:52 ?? cream pie 01:07:55 I don't have a page labeled cream_pie in my learndb. 01:07:55 darn 01:08:17 replace all hammers with octopodes 01:10:31 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 01:11:32 Eronarn: could be nice on deeper depths, but then Yiuf himself would be a pushover 01:15:49 Eronarn: I'm thinking of making a nicely flavored Op monster. Something like an OpVm is reasonable, but kind of boring. Any ideas there? 01:17:09 OpCK, with a flower in every tentacle 01:17:17 kilobyte: <3 01:17:18 named Eringya 01:17:45 That splash screen shows so many blade tentacles, yet you only get two with Op and blade hands 01:17:49 deeply dissapointing 01:18:29 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-426-gb52781e (34) 01:19:12 I was thinking of a 'camouflage spell' where the monster is like an invisible rock worm that can take damage in a wall and is only seen for maybe a turn or two when taking damage 01:19:24 But these kinds of monsters are not deeply popular 01:19:36 Rockworms and dryads I'm thinking of in particular 01:20:04 visible rock worms seem like a good thing to remove to me 01:20:29 Well if that's the case, I'll definitely not pursue invisible ones 01:21:23 i imagine dryads are probably slightly better by virtue of doing things other than just melee, haven't run into them enough to tell really 01:26:07 I actually don't even know if dryads can take damage from e.g. a fire bolt shot by the player, or if the only damage comes from the fire cloud created 01:26:23 Taking damage while in a wall is likely problematic anyways 01:27:01 damage not really, beams yes 01:29:05 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:32:30 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:35:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:39:08 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:07 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:45:49 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-426-gb52781e 01:47:17 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:46 just wanted to pass on 01:47:56 [23:46:45] Snack i'm liking the new spritework they're coming out with lately 01:48:20 [23:47:01] Snack the amount of shades is going up from NES level to SNES level 01:48:57 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:51:48 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:59:34 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:06:38 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07:40 hehehe 02:07:55 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:09:29 just try not to slip into early PSX quality 02:09:38 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:59 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:11:40 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:13:54 WalkerBoh: haha 02:14:06 don't tell that to denzi 02:14:10 haha 02:14:20 does denzi like NES spriting better 02:14:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:14:45 denzi uses the default, 256-color palette 02:14:47 exclusively 02:14:51 mm. 02:15:19 he also doesn't use even 1-bit transparency 02:15:39 he uses 1990s style teal backgrounds instead 02:16:02 mmm, classic 02:16:13 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:18:08 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:08 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:20:21 not magic pink? 02:21:49 no, strangely not 02:22:16 i forget where "magic teal" comes from but i've seen it before 02:22:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:44 magic pink is what i remember best 02:35:35 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:40:28 -!- Senjai has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:37 -!- sumguy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:55:07 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:59:10 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:59:23 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:04 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:22:54 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:17 -!- Dalvant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:24 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:39 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49:27 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:13 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 04:29:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 04:47:53 any devs online at this hour? 04:47:59 I wanted to ask about getting dwants into trunk again 04:51:34 * kilobyte fetches some bug spray. 04:53:54 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57:57 don't make me grab my developer spray 05:00:26 RAID: kills disks dead! 05:00:31 wait, wrong kind of spray 05:00:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:02:30 -!- Ragnor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:05:21 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:06 kilobyte: but seriously, could you give me an update on getting them in? :) 05:12:07 not until other guys wake up, at least 05:12:30 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:14:21 that's fine. I just want to make sure they're on the agenda 05:20:14 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:27 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:30:56 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 05:39:54 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:52:41 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:58:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:06:38 buppy: Dwants will never go in. Some other guy named pubby made Formicids, which seem much better than dwants. 06:09:03 gammafunk: this pubby guy sounds like one cool dude 06:10:13 buppy: He tried to be cool by winning a HEIE….but he failed 06:10:56 !hs * HE-- 06:10:57 144128. gammafunk the Genius of the Arcane (L27 HEIE), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-10-19 22:10:40, with 24084354 points after 61517 turns and 17:44:43. 06:11:00 ahhhhh 06:11:34 -!- halv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:46 gammafunk: that's why I sometimes write it "þuþþy" to avoid ambiguities 06:12:20 kilobyte: that's a pretty clever solution 06:13:10 but then... Unicode having such silly letters like a vmirrored 'b'... 06:13:22 what else will they add, 'd'? 06:20:36 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 06:29:45 moving a thread from #debian-devel: what about moving ~/.crawl/saves/{db,des} to ~/.cache/crawl ? 06:32:08 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:32:21 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:41 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:34:19 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:37:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-427-g2cbfb5c: A couple more test cases. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cbfb5cbfec5 06:37:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-428-gf9337f2: "./crawl -test list" to enumerate available internal tests. 10(4 hours ago, 5 files, 25+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9337f212a3e 06:37:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-429-g26e177c: Vastly shorten test/big/abyss_shift.lua, enable it by default. 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26e177c8964e 06:37:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-430-ge315b49: Drop a token file into test/big/ 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e315b49f66d8 06:37:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-431-g3e13463: Move some boring test settings aside. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e1346358229 06:37:52 memory leak in corpse item_list by KiloByte 06:41:04 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:44:08 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45:57 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:19 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 06:46:20 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:20 -!- ais523_ has quit [Changing host] 06:46:20 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:16 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51:24 -!- BorekL is now known as Mandevil 06:52:41 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 06:53:32 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:38 -!- browncustard has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:08 -!- soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:54:09 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:56:39 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:57:52 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 07:01:16 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:01:16 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:02:26 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:26 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:02:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 07:19:06 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:22:42 -!- tarantoga is now known as rdx 07:25:56 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:56 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:26:40 -!- Reihar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:26:51 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:26:58 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:27:04 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:27:11 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:27:18 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:27:34 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:27:41 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:28:10 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:29:30 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:30:53 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:31:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:33:53 -!- hasufell has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:35:10 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 07:36:22 -!- hasufell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:59 <|amethyst> that's strange 07:46:50 <|amethyst> userdef_annotate_item (item=0x7fffbeb873a0) => clua_push_item (item=0x38) 07:47:18 <|amethyst> no idea how a const_cast would do that 07:58:41 <|amethyst> on 32-bit I get the same crash, but that bit of strangeness isn't present 07:58:41 <|amethyst> after it tries for some time to build the level 07:59:14 <|amethyst> Failed to place 100% chance vault uniq_enchantress 08:00:34 that vault is supposed to fail in some cases 08:02:12 <|amethyst> changing it to CHANCE: 99% gives ERROR: the Enchantress already generated somewhere else; please file a bug report. 08:02:17 <|amethyst> but no crash 08:02:41 that's strange, the veto is supposed to forbid her from being placed twice 08:03:04 and she's supposed to be guaranteed there -- so I guess Grunt's check failed to handle this case 08:03:32 I mean, a CHANCE: 100% that might then decide to refuse to place 08:06:23 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:06:23 hmm... looking at vaults with CHANCE: 100%, I don't quite see the purpose of that commit 08:06:52 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:13 potentially in some weird case with an encompass vault Zot:1-4 colouring could fail 08:08:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it was something do do with hell entrances 08:08:14 all other CHANCE: 100% vaults are already handled: either by having a veto clause that can legitimately fail, or by being layouts so the builder will veto them on its own 08:08:33 yeah, but grepping for 'CHANCE: *100' doesn't show anything else 08:09:09 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the hell_entry setup function has e.depth_chance("D:21-", 10000) 08:09:25 <|amethyst> likewise abyss and pan entrances 08:09:31 ... oh, so it's grep-proof :/ 08:10:48 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 08:19:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:38 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Client Quit] 08:21:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:22:09 -!- Hal9k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:23 -!- Hal9k has quit [Changing host] 08:28:59 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:29:26 -!- Reihar has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:26 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:18 -!- Vizer__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:14 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:51 whales2 the Ruinous (L7 DECj) (D:4) 08:45:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:11 DammitJoey the Chopper (L6 LOGl) (D:2) 08:50:56 vladtepes2000 the Grappler (L9 TrMo) (D:8) 08:51:48 gersontaz the Skullcrusher (L27 GrBe) (Pan) 08:53:56 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 09:00:39 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:52 |amethyst: tell me about it over here :b 09:04:46 <|amethyst> Forest:5 has uniq_enchantress with CHANCE:100% 09:05:13 <|amethyst> but uniq_enchantress vetoes itself if Enchantress already exists 09:05:40 <|amethyst> kilobyte thinks most of the CHANCE:100% vaults shouldn't have the "veto whole level if it's not placed" logic 09:05:40 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:05:48 <|amethyst> perhaps only the three portals 09:08:58 IMO the problem there isn't guaranteeing placement of a 100% chance vault; it's how that interacts with a map veto chunk. 09:09:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:09:41 I can think of a hacky way to rewrite the Forest:$ bits in vault code to work around issues for that, but I think I'd rather fix the interactions between those two if I can figure out a reasonable way to do so. 09:10:24 (There are other vaults that I think it would be a good idea to guarantee, such as the food vaults.) 09:12:36 I'm leaving for work soon, but if you or anyone has something you want to do in the meantime, by all means go ahead with it. 09:12:50 (Something like an "important" or "guarantee" tag if you just want that logic to apply to certain vaults?) 09:13:28 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:31 !seen elliptic 09:13:32 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:13:32 I last saw elliptic at Mon Oct 28 13:21:04 2013 UTC (52m 28s ago) quitting with message 'Client Quit'. 09:13:35 !messages 09:13:36 (1/1) kilobyte said (8h 10m 25s ago): if we replaced Yiuf's hammers with maces, would it be a vile attempt on Crawl's tradition or a wise culling of superfluous items? 09:14:12 Grunt: such a tag sounds like a good idea, yeah 09:14:49 BTW, doesn't PLACE: have similar logic already? 09:15:16 (yeah, PLACE: works only for non-mini vaults) 09:15:17 kilobyte: That's a hard one. There is a trend to purge Crawl of theme in favour of more streamlined gameplay. I'd go out and say that Sigmund's scythe and Yiuf's hammer are harmless little gimmicks and that they can stay. I wouldn't throw around my weight to defend them, though -- it's just my personal opinion. 09:15:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:16:08 actually, that hammer just came in as a random piece of decoration I placed into that vault 09:16:13 :) 09:16:26 then you took it and ran away with it as a now-sacred piece of Crawl :) 09:16:55 -!- dg_ has quit [] 09:16:56 hey, I just made a little joke with the bonus hammers -- didn't intend to start a cult! 09:16:59 I wonder if collecting maces or whips wouldn't provide just as much theme, though 09:17:15 whips would probably be alright 09:17:19 PLACE doesn't work very well when you have a set of (mini)vaults that you want to guarantee across multiple levels (i.e. Hell entries); that's part of my motivation for doing this in the first place. 09:17:23 Anyway, off to work. 09:17:34 they have a ... fetichistic (?) touch to them 09:17:37 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:17:40 Keep hammering out discussion :) 09:17:45 <3 09:17:53 hammers and scythes are inherently funny weapons because they're tools 09:18:15 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 09:19:30 _j - an auger bit 09:23:36 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:48 -!- Dr_Ke has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:25:16 DrKe (L25 DsNe) (Forest:5) 09:26:03 * Dr_Ke shakes fist 09:26:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:51 they're working on it 09:27:05 <|amethyst> for now I'm going to revert grunt's commit 09:29:10 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:29:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:30:17 <|amethyst> hmm 09:30:40 <|amethyst> cszo is giving: "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" 09:32:46 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:33:10 i appreciate you guys trying to fix it so quickly 09:33:15 i didn't really expect any help for awhile 09:33:38 <|amethyst> switching the repo from git:// to https:// fixed that 09:33:59 <|amethyst> I guess gitorious's gitd is broken 09:35:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:08 works for me... 09:39:33 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-432-g9232e2c: Don't impose TSO penance for reflecting poison/draining (you still get xp). 10(3 hours ago, 10 files, 23+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9232e2cf62fe 09:39:33 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-433-g3d36308: Don't use an obscure word in a comment. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d36308c26ce 09:39:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-434-g023f6cc: Revert "Veto on failure to place a 100% chance vault." 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=023f6cc27b90 09:39:35 <|amethyst> ~/tmp$ git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 09:39:35 <|amethyst> Cloning into 'crawl'... 09:39:35 <|amethyst> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly 09:39:35 <|amethyst> ssh and https work fine here 09:39:35 ah, git:// 09:39:35 <|amethyst> I have the same problem on three different machines (home, CSZO, and s-z.org) 09:39:35 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-434-g023f6cc (34) 09:39:35 <|amethyst> yeah, switched CSZO over to https and it updated fine 09:39:35 m'kay, I've misread you 09:39:35 <|amethyst> Dr_Ke: try it now 09:39:35 kk 09:39:44 works 09:39:57 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:59 thanks guys 09:40:05 <|amethyst> wow, that spriggan druid tile is the cutest thing ever 09:40:35 morning 09:41:39 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 09:41:48 ~/crawl/crawl-ref/source $ git pull 09:41:49 fatal: Could not read from remote repository. 09:42:51 <|amethyst> Naruni: I was just mentioning that... seems that gitorious's gitd is down 09:42:53 <|amethyst> Naruni: ~/tmp$ git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 09:42:53 <|amethyst> Cloning into 'crawl'... 09:42:53 <|amethyst> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly 09:43:01 <|amethyst> doh 09:43:28 <|amethyst> in .git/config (at top-level) switch that URL over to https://git.gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 09:44:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:24 groovy, thanks 09:46:46 |amethyst: i need an assignment 09:49:03 <|amethyst> figure out why wind blast is pushing things through walls, and make it not do that any more 09:49:27 <|amethyst> Probably the cause of https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7639 09:56:18 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:48 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:19 So 10:02:25 if you have a spectral weapon with you 10:02:30 and you use a sair 10:02:38 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:39 it will go down the stiar 10:02:46 but then it just runs away from you 10:03:01 it's pretty funny 10:04:43 for extra joy, try a spectral shillelagh 10:05:04 haha 10:05:22 works with elec weapons in water too, but in that case you at least get a warning 10:05:55 also, the message makes no sense: "The shillelagh engulfs you." 10:06:04 I kind of can't breathe wood, you know... 10:09:03 haha 10:09:14 shillelagh elemental 10:10:47 it will have petrify effect when it engulfs you 10:11:01 but anything else that hits you damages it instead 10:11:28 and it still explodes 10:11:37 or better yet 10:11:44 shillelagh armour 10:12:06 the shillelagh lawbringer set 10:12:06 haha 10:12:15 fund it 10:13:06 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:13:26 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 10:14:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:16:32 -!- Suga_H has quit [] 10:20:48 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 10:23:54 -!- Wark- has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:28:09 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:34:06 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:30 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-435-g7677ce7: Point out the location of monsters in wall if DEBUG_FATAL is set. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7677ce75e780 10:37:59 -!- gammafunk has joined 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learn to use gdb real quick? i am trying to find the value of in int from a function 11:16:08 s/in/an 11:19:22 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:19:41 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:24:37 |amethyst: i can't re-create that bug (the royal jelly being pushed through a wall by a wind blast from fan of gales) 11:27:34 nor can i get a wind drake to blast me through a wall 11:28:12 -!- Vandal is now known as Ganrao 11:28:22 !lm thurl type=uniq noun="the royal jelly" -tv:<158010:>158020 11:28:23 4. Thurl, XL27 MiEn, T:102517 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 11:28:42 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 11:31:33 -!- adityarajbhatt has left ##crawl-dev 11:31:39 ok now i got it 11:32:36 i think it's a problem with distance_iterator di(newpos, false, true, 1 ) 11:33:21 gammafunk: Op pro wrestler 11:33:34 MarvinPA: rock worms would be better if they were multitile imo 11:33:40 Eronarn: Piledriving move? 11:34:40 Oh man, an Op that can throw the player into walls 11:35:08 That feels kind of more like an Og thing, but... 11:37:21 judoctopus 11:37:39 I'm seriously considering something like this 11:37:45 You will be responsible 11:38:25 Naruni: distance_iterator just iterates outwards, I don't see how possibly it could skip walls as it doesn't even know about terrain (nor is supposed to) in the first place 11:38:40 tako, the wise octopode sensei 11:39:07 ooh gammafunk here's one: an octopode scribe!! 11:39:35 Eronarn: What would it write? 11:40:26 kilobyte: in evoke.cc line 1216 act_list[i]->can_pass_through(*di) should have a ! condition i think. ive compiled with that change and the wind drake cannot blow me through walls anymore. im doing some research into can_pass_through to confirm that's the problem; im pretty sure it is 11:40:59 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:41:09 well, can_pass_through() means that the target is ok, not that the whole path is 11:41:14 scrolls? prayers? spellbooks? elbereth? 11:42:50 Well, it's some theme to think about for a monster anyways. After all there was that octopus that predicted the world cup matches 11:42:51 oh, what's even the point of using distance_iterator with fair=false max_radius=1? 11:43:28 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 11:43:52 weird but valid, though 11:44:12 it doesn't do anything adjacent_iterator wouldn't do 11:47:25 is the path supposed to allow blowing stuff out of LOS? 11:47:38 gammafunk: a psychic octopus monster would be pretty great 11:47:53 "I'll flay your mind!" 11:48:03 kilobyte: there is something strange here, when i change it to !act_list[i]->can_pass_through(*di) if what you say is true, i should not be blown into any open spaces but it is happening 11:48:19 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:16 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-437-gf4e7ac1: Replace a weird use of distance_iterator by adjacent_iterator. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4e7ac1b5d26 11:50:54 ogres and octopodes that can throw the player/monsters sounds like a grand idea 11:51:34 The ogre casually lifts you off your feet! 11:52:11 You are propelled away by the force of the throw! 11:52:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 11:52:33 Your head skids on the ground, bruising the skull and bruising the brain! 11:52:44 [You are deceased] ... 12:05:05 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:10:11 <|amethyst> Naruni: the one at line 1216 is only a fallback of the original bath couldn't be taken 12:10:50 <|amethyst> s/bath/path/ 12:10:55 <|amethyst> there's another call on line 1202 12:11:29 <|amethyst> but definitely "move someone if they can't pass through the chosen spot" sounds backwards 12:13:26 |amethyst: the one at 1202 (inside that whole if statement) is exactly the same as the one in line 1216, why would there need to be a fallback if the conditions are exact? 12:13:30 unless im reading it wrong 12:13:46 <|amethyst> Naruni: one of them uses newpos, the other *di 12:14:06 <|amethyst> Naruni: the first is "try to move the actor to the next space is the wind path" 12:14:26 <|amethyst> the second is "if that didn't work, find an adjacent spot, try moving them there instead, and recompute the wind path 12:14:29 <|amethyst> " 12:15:00 <|amethyst> Either: 1. somehow the "adjacent" spot is on the other side of a wall (which should only happen if the wind_beam's path ended in the wall) 12:15:15 <|amethyst> or 2. "Adjust wind path for moved monster" is doing something wrong 12:15:33 <|amethyst> hm 12:15:39 <|amethyst> 2. sounds kind of likely 12:16:02 <|amethyst> because we're in the middle of iterating over wind_beam.path_taken when we call fire() again and recompute it 12:16:38 <|amethyst> but we don't change the index j into path_taken, even though the new path might be different 12:17:09 <|amethyst> hm 12:17:12 if the adjacent_iterator tries to move into a can_pass_through it's good, but if the spot is !can_pass_through it should not occur right? 12:17:27 <|amethyst> right, we don't want to move them into a wall 12:17:45 <|amethyst> hm, the "different length" thing looks like it *probably* shouldn't happen 12:17:46 so thats why i added the logic change on line 1216 12:18:07 <|amethyst> Naruni: huh 12:18:13 <|amethyst> Naruni: it says && act_list[i]->can_pass_through(*di) 12:18:28 <|amethyst> so "only do this if they can pass through the new spot" 12:18:34 yeah i added a ! in a patch file: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7434 12:18:39 <|amethyst> you're changing it to "only do this if they can't pass through the new spot" 12:18:56 <|amethyst> The first line inside that if: act_list[i]->move_to_pos(*di); 12:18:56 hmm 12:19:17 <|amethyst> so your version can move them into a spot they can't pass through 12:19:47 <|amethyst> I suspect it's "fixing" it by stopping the pushing altogether 12:20:04 <|amethyst> since chances are it won't be both is_habitable and !can_pass_through 12:21:55 <|amethyst> I would focus my attention on that wind_beam.target = *di; wind_beam.fire(); : check whether wind_beam.path_taken[j+1] is in fact the same as *di 12:22:46 <|amethyst> I think the intent of the di->distance_from(agent->pos()) == newpos.distance_from(agent->pos()) is to make sure that's true, but I'm not convinced it's always the case 12:22:55 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:23:07 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:23:17 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:46 <|amethyst> if the recomputed path does have a different length (number of passed-through cells, not just distance) then we have problems, because the for (j...) loop could skip a wall 12:25:01 oh you know what that makes sense. if the spot is a wall, it starts the adjacent_iterator which could easily be the open other side of a wall 12:25:49 soooo perhaps there should be a in LOS check? thats an ugly hack though 12:26:47 <|amethyst> in-LOS isn't the right check because of things like grates 12:27:09 <|amethyst> also because the agent could be blind 12:27:22 <|amethyst> (I guess it's still in LOS then, just not visible) 12:28:28 maybe a pathfinding iterator from source to target and if the pathfinder requires more than the # of steps greater than the actual distance it's a bad spot? 12:28:47 that could lead to awkwardness too i think 12:28:59 <|amethyst> shouldn't need to pathfind 12:29:16 <|amethyst> that's what wind_beam.path_taken is supposed to be for 12:29:39 <|amethyst> maybe after adjusting the path we need to double-check that the path doesn't pass through walls 12:29:54 <|amethyst> or that it reaches its destination 12:29:57 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:31:42 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 12:34:23 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:51 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:37:36 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:39 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:39:06 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 12:40:08 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 12:44:59 -!- read_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:07 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:10:23 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:10:25 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:12:12 !tell elliptic I'll only have time for the tournament report on Thursday night. If there is none by then, I'll do it :) Can you !tell me the tournament stat command again, please? Thanks! 13:12:13 dpeg: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 13:12:14 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:15 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:15:21 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:18:25 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:23:29 -!- dg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:24:13 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:04 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:11 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 13:27:11 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:46 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:13 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:15 -!- browncustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 13:40:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:02 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:59:41 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:01:05 -!- adityarajbhatt has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:30 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:07:58 |amethyst: on line 1211 "for (adjacent_iterator di(newpos); di; ++di)" newpos is the target location (wind_beam.path_taken[j+1]) and it should be just wind_beam.path_taken because we need to step back to find a new spot, not find a new spot from the "new spot" does that make sense? 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there is a line checking angle so im guessing it shouldnt move an actor along the walls 14:56:45 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:57:38 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:01:31 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:02:42 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:42 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 15:02:42 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:41 -!- ark_ has quit [] 15:10:47 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:15 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:20 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:23:30 bug: alistairs affects gargoyles 15:24:25 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:42 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:52 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:07 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:33:49 doesn't sound like a bug to me 15:34:27 it ignores rpois on the caster 15:36:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:37:57 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:49:34 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 15:51:59 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:52:13 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:25 -!- Celery___ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:01 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:56:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:55 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57:21 -!- Gullinborsti has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:21 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:21 -!- C7ty has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:21 -!- hasufell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:35 -!- hasufell_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:35 -!- Zhukov has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:52 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as ecks[Qyou] 15:59:26 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: ophanim] 16:00:31 -!- Gullinbo_ is now known as Brokkr 16:01:27 -!- hasufell_ is now known as hasufell 16:01:56 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:05:26 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:52 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:13:39 -!- ecks[Qyou] is now known as Tux[Qyou] 16:14:53 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:59 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18:40 -!- platinum has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:05 -!- Vaporware has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:20:33 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:28:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 16:30:40 -!- snippycarcass has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:50 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:08 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:25 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:53:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:53:36 Was going to ask |amethyst about cszo, but there is not |amethyst 16:53:40 *there is no 16:54:07 -!- C7ty1 has quit [] 16:55:16 -!- Nexq is now known as Nex 16:56:11 that may answer your question 16:57:00 Zannick: It only raises more questions…. 16:57:25 Such as, what does sporulate really mean? Now |amethyst can't tell me 16:57:36 Isn't he technically present through the server? 16:58:20 I think his irc connection is through cszo, but his machinations are as mystical as they are profound 16:58:32 i think that sizzell pinged out too is telling 17:00:19 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:12 -!- Brokkr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:27 -!- glow11 has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:18:09 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:34 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:34 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:36 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 17:21:36 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:36 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 17:21:36 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:49 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:25:53 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Client Quit] 17:26:00 -!- Vaporware is now known as DrinkMachine 17:31:00 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:00 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:18 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:31:26 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:31:46 -!- dg__ has quit [] 17:37:34 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38:38 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:28 -!- Zilis is now known as willster22 17:50:04 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:07 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:23 |amethyst: You're alive! 17:56:57 welcome back to the land of the crawling 17:57:04 |amethyst's ghost gazes at gammafunk 17:57:46 -!- willster22 is now known as Zilis 17:57:54 |amethyst's ghost says "The server is a lie!" 17:57:54 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:00 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:31 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:59 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:03:57 -!- DejikoRex is now known as NekoRex 18:05:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:40 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:12:59 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:13:14 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:57 -!- pentatonic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:40 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:17 !tell |amethyst on line 1211 "for (adjacent_iterator di(newpos); di; ++di)" newpos is the target location (wind_beam.path_taken[j+1]) and it should be just wind_beam.path_taken because we need to step back to find a new spot, not find a new spot from the "new spot" does that make sense? 18:26:18 Naruni: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 18:29:11 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:09 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:44:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:53 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57:41 -!- zoopp has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:00:01 -!- Zhukov_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:02:28 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08:28 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 19:10:12 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:24:02 -!- rdx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:26:43 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:26:54 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:25 -!- Yakesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:29:47 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31:07 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:32:01 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:57 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:34:15 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:34:29 -!- dg__ has quit [Client Quit] 19:34:38 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:48:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:02 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:54:55 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:56:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:00:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:01:49 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:03:10 <|amethyst> Naruni: yeah, that sounds reasonable, but you have to make sure you don't push them backwards 20:04:29 -!- Ganrao has quit [] 20:04:47 <|amethyst> Naruni: the distance_from check *should* do that 20:05:59 -!- thorgipup has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?] 20:06:18 |amethyst: are we trying to fix the bug where things get pushed through walls? 20:06:24 by wind 20:06:26 <|amethyst> yeah 20:08:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:08:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:15 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:17 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:57 <|amethyst> I think this is the situation that's happening now 20:12:02 <|amethyst> .....%## 20:12:02 <|amethyst> ....m#! 20:12:03 <|amethyst> ...*.# 20:12:03 <|amethyst> ...*.# 20:12:03 <|amethyst> ..*..# 20:12:05 <|amethyst> .@...# 20:12:05 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:27 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:12:46 <|amethyst> m is a monster, % is a wall at newpos (just beyond the monster), and ! is adjacent to % and equidistant from @ 20:13:13 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:14:48 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:14:52 why does the equidistant part matter? 20:16:07 oh, because you're using distance_from to check where to move it 20:16:11 <|amethyst> Zannick: because the beam is re-fired (to get the new path) while we're in the middle iterating over path_taken 20:16:19 <|amethyst> s/middle/middle of/ 20:16:24 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:51 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17:14 <|amethyst> Zannick: so the new location of the monster had better be the same path distance from @ as the spot we originally though was going to be the next location, or we could skip the monster 20:17:22 <|amethyst> s/though/thought/ 20:17:24 i'm confused over why we need a path for a wind beam 20:17:48 <|amethyst> monsters get pushed along the path 20:18:14 okay, but 20:18:31 if along the path is a wall there are only 2 valid fallback squares 20:18:37 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:41 how about 20:18:44 staff of silence 20:18:54 reduces spell noise by a significant amount 20:19:21 so with this example, with the attack from the SSW and a wall in the way, the monster should be pushed north if possible then east if not 20:20:08 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-438-ga52d9e0: Fallback functionality for chance_ tag groups. 10(5 minutes ago, 6 files, 25+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a52d9e0c0977 20:20:11 it would maybe spawn a new playstyle or something along those lines 20:21:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:21:45 ...that's the solution I meant to implement for the original problem <_< 20:22:42 <|amethyst> Zannick: yeah, something like that would be good 20:22:44 Nightbeer: by making you unable to cast 20:22:54 <|amethyst> Zannick: I don't like this re-firing the beam by iterating over it 20:22:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:20 Nightbeer: or invoke Trog, I think ... 20:23:29 no 20:23:30 I mean 20:23:41 spell noise getting toned down 20:23:49 so you can be more sneaky 20:24:07 <|amethyst> there's the question of what it would apply to 20:24:17 <|amethyst> lightning bolt? fireball/meph? LRD? 20:24:29 you wouldn't call it 'silence' since that's already heavily used in crawl to mean you can't make sound at all 20:24:46 Staff of the Hoarse 20:24:49 well maybe a more reasonable name would be good 20:25:02 unrandart 20:25:06 but the name is not the point 20:25:07 <|amethyst> Staff of Whispers except that sounds like an unrand 20:25:30 <|amethyst> Zannick: s/by iterating/while iterating/ 20:25:33 <|amethyst> I can't type today 20:26:04 * Grunt iterates over |amethyst's keyboard... 20:26:29 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:26:54 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:08 maybe i it was called staff of silent foo 20:28:45 and actually completely denoised one spell school 20:29:49 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:31 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35:17 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:38:32 staff of... the quiet storm 20:39:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:41:18 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:23 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 20:41:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:42:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:38 |amethyst: i have been running some tests and using wind_beam.path_taken[j] is working well by not moving the target through a wall, but the iterator does not play well with the directions and so sometimes i get blown 'back' and end up closer to the source... im trying to dig up some OOD inertia code to see if there is something there that i can use 20:44:48 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:15 if you get blown from the southwest you should only be headed north, northeast, or east... possibly northwest or southeast in extreme circumstances? 20:47:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:47:19 <|amethyst> my thought (about to compile and test) is to require that the spot be adjacent both to the blocked destination and to the monster 20:47:31 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:09 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52:40 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:36 <|amethyst> yeah, this seems to give acceptible behaviour 20:53:54 that sounds like it only allows the same two fallback squares 20:54:24 well, hm 20:54:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:31 <|amethyst> Zannick: yeah, but not always both 20:54:35 ??eos 20:54:36 eos[1/1]: +11,+11 unrandart morningstar, {elec, -TELE rElec SInv} 20:55:03 <|amethyst> blasting someone against a wall at a deep angle (>= 45 degrees) pins them against the wall, at a shallow angle makes them slide along 20:55:25 right 20:55:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-439-ge8c3188: A couple of Hell entry vaults. 10(70 seconds ago, 1 file, 64+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8c31886462d 20:56:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:43 so in the fallback check you could easily add a condition if newpos is adjacent to victim->pos && wind_beam.path_taken[j+1] 20:57:50 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:08 -!- darktwinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-440-gc31db72: Don't wind blast monsters through walls (Naruni, #7434) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c31db72ae92c 21:05:03 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07:06 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:07:14 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:08:05 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:11:04 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:08 * xFleury ponders why CSZO is using SSL. 21:15:22 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:26 -!- raskol_ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:20:08 * Grunt contemplates landing lomnado. 21:20:24 * Grunt also contemplates landing whatever he called that runeify_orb branch. 21:20:27 %git runeify_orb 21:20:27 Could not find commit runeify_orb (git returned 128) 21:20:41 %git no_orb_inv 21:20:43 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-884-g570bc47: Have the Orb not take up an inventory slot. 10(5 months ago, 5 files, 39+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=570bc478ad39 21:20:51 ...that's the one. 21:21:24 (Is it really five months ago now?) 21:22:06 is that merged? 21:22:12 It is not. 21:22:32 I suspected 21:22:50 I didn't merge it back then because I didn't think it would be good to have no indication other than Orb glow that the player has the Orb. 21:23:15 how do we indicate the runes held? 21:23:18 } 21:23:21 and/or @ 21:23:38 Er, %, not @. 21:27:10 -!- enigmoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:32:34 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 21:34:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:35:02 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:41:17 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:51 why not make a status/status light? 21:45:22 finite space for them? 21:45:48 -!- Rebenga has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:12 -!- Wahaha has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:09 -!- UseBees_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:50:16 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:03 We have too many status lights already, IMO. 21:53:06 well the orb already guarantees that you will have one (-cTele), you could replace the light for that one with one that says "Orb" 21:53:15 -!- rdx has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 21:55:05 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:32 -ctele is there so people who pick up the orb know they cant control teleports 22:04:58 does anyone actually know the formula to determine AEVP of a shield for UC-slowing purposes? 22:11:06 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:27 ??Unarmed 22:12:27 unarmed combat[1/3]: Fighting without a weapon. Base damage is 3 + UC skill (+2 per claws level (so +6 Tr, +2 Gh), +X for forms); delay 10 - UC/5.4; +2 to hit (+4 Tr/Gh). If you have an EV penalty (such as by wearing a shield, or armour (reduced somewhat by armour skill)), attack delay is slowed to max(10, 1d10+2dAEVP) - UC/5.4. 22:12:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:13:19 i'm pretty dumb though but i think that shields are special-cased to not have their AEVP reduced by shields skill for the penalty 22:13:44 -!- stone_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:14:04 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 22:16:11 so shields skill doesn't matter at all? 22:16:17 that sounds wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true 22:16:28 (also I thought str didn't matter as much for bucklers) 22:27:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:29:27 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:29:35 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:04 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:38:08 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:01 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:44:29 myrmidette, MarvinPA: Alistair harming Gr seems weird to me, as they're poison immune (not merely resistant). On the other hand, mummies are banned from using this spell... 22:44:46 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:45:57 well it supposedly works by "converting a small portion of brain matter into alcohol" 22:46:49 and of course mummies have had their brains removed through their noses, right? 22:46:50 anyway probably either it should be castable and confuse the caster or it should not be castable, yes 22:46:58 gh/vp can cast it also 22:47:05 (and are confused) 22:47:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:13 SamB: Egyptians didn't really know what brain is for 22:48:29 looks like we can agree only on one obvious point here: this is confusing 22:51:16 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:03 related: I saw the new olgreb's radience bypassing zin's vitalization 22:52:56 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:53:59 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:46 Zin's poison resistance works in weird ways 22:55:23 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:57:15 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:57:17 I don't understand why it isn't treated as a poison immunity 22:57:38 kilobyte: are you cool with me merging the banish branch monster list for the abyss? 22:57:40 would be simpler, yeah 22:57:41 the confusion, rot, paralysis, etc effects of vitalization are all immunities and not resistances 22:58:19 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:58:22 bh: chimeras seem to be either broken or non-working 22:58:31 kilobyte: yeah, I'll dump them 22:59:27 might be simpler to take the patches rather the branch 22:59:28 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:30 <|amethyst> 1learn add development_subtleties <+kilobyte> bh: chimeras seem to be either broken or non-working 22:59:46 |amethyst: outside their scope, that is 22:59:58 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:08 |amethyst: chimeras as existing in the game, ie, on an opt-in list of monsters, have no real issues 23:00:26 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I was referring to the distinction between "broken" and "non-working" :) 23:00:36 ah :p 23:01:13 -!- pecopeco has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:01:23 bh: I also kind of miss old iconic grey snake skeletons, but since they're broken for 2-3 releases already, there's no reason to make this stop us 23:01:34 * SamB is still in the dark as to what that distinction is ... 23:01:45 if abyssal zombies/skeletons/spectrals get fixed one day we can reintroduce the weight 23:02:26 SamB: it was a brain fart on my side, what I meant was: either buggy, or mere bags of hp 23:03:49 as for dedicated Abyss monster, I like this cover image: http://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/space-eldritch-ii-announce 23:03:56 s/monster/monsters/ 23:04:14 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04:23 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05:26 bh: what about the idea of picking a level every newarea shift and sticking to it for a good percentage of monsters? 23:05:46 most branches are probably boring outside their lowest level 23:05:59 but then, Abyss:1 might not want the hard stuff 23:06:12 kilobyte: definitely. First thing I want to get rid of some demons 23:06:35 note that if the picked level is Pan or one of hells, demons will come back then 23:06:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:07:26 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:07:46 that's fine 23:07:49 Tomb and Slime could be pretty harsh/annoying, which probably means they either should be excluded or weighted low 23:08:12 hrm. I forget the right way to merge branches 23:08:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:08:39 generally, when on master, "git merge banish", but in this case I'd rather cherry-pick individual commits 23:09:54 Webtiles server restarted. 23:10:11 was that intentional? 23:10:32 that wasn't just me? 23:10:35 <|amethyst> yeah, but then I realised the problem was DNS 23:13:59 <|amethyst> hm, what is wrong with the DNS now 23:14:56 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:16:47 ssh: Could not resolve hostname crawl.s-z.org: Name or service not known 23:16:54 here's my guess: it's not working 23:16:56 <|amethyst> yeah 23:16:59 <|amethyst> well 23:17:05 <|amethyst> dig crawl.s-z.org returns nothing 23:17:14 <|amethyst> dig crawl.s-z.org @ns1.wwbtc.com returns something 23:17:38 dig +trace works 23:18:19 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:18:32 <|amethyst> er 23:18:34 <|amethyst> this is weird 23:19:15 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-31-g1d6a0fd: Tinker with Abyss Spawns 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 27+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d6a0fd99717 23:19:15 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-61-g3a0c7a4: Merge branch 'master' into banish 10(4 weeks ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a0c7a42a699 23:19:15 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-62-g2080303: Add Chimeras to the Abyss. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2080303d4447 23:19:15 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-63-gc2eccff: Purge '3' from the Abyss 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2eccffead06 23:19:15 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-445-g388476e: Merge branch 'banish' 10(65 seconds ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=388476e88d45 23:19:17 <|amethyst> dig crawl.s-z.org soa 23:19:17 <|amethyst> s-z.org.10604INSOAns1.wwbtc.com. wendell.qx.net. 2011111801 86400 7200 3600000 86400 23:19:17 (+trace queries every server directly instead of going throught a recurser) 23:19:26 <|amethyst> That serial number is way out of date 23:20:04 ack. That commit message is misleading. I took the chimeras out 23:20:13 !seen mumra 23:20:14 I last saw mumra at Sun Oct 13 08:40:26 2013 UTC (2w 1d 19h 39m 48s ago) quitting with message 'Ping timeout: 264 seconds'. 23:20:24 :( 23:21:14 I think he's been commuting a lot for work 23:21:36 Yah, I was told he's been quite busy with a new job or something. 23:21:50 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:55 so what's the logic behind removing 3s and not touching demon spawns otherwise 23:22:04 that seems to make no sense at all as far as i can tell? 23:22:27 hrm, that merge is pretty hard to read 23:22:38 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:40 you pretty need much: git diff HEAD^..HEAD 23:23:55 I downweighted most of the other demons. The 3's tend to be particularly obnoxious 23:24:49 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:57 they're a perfectly good threat 23:25:11 it makes no sense for one tier of demons to just not spawn there 23:25:25 Would you rather I remove all of them? 23:25:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the thing is, I can't figure out where this old SOA is coming from... I'm running my own copy of bind on my home computer, without a forwarder, so it should be doing a full recursive query 23:26:05 obviously not since they're a large part of the abyss population 23:26:29 adjusting abyss spawns to use branches like you mentioned sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing to try 23:26:58 yep. I want to pare down the list before trying it 23:26:59 |amethyst: I assume you're also trying it with dig or something? 23:27:01 but randomly cutting out one group of demons that also happens to be one of the main threats in the abyss just seems weird to me 23:27:37 |amethyst: no idea why, but my home bind has it too 23:28:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:23 kilobyte: do you have any suggestions for the relative branch weightings? 23:28:57 bh: I guess it should vary with the in-Abyss depth 23:28:58 <|amethyst> SamB: yeah, dig crawl.s-z.org soa @ns1.wwbtc.com works, but if I don't specify that nameserver I get an old record from 2011 23:29:11 because hells can be a big pile of hell sentinels 23:29:17 !lg bisonbisonbison 23:29:18 kilobyte: I'll make a spreadsheet 23:29:18 519. bisonbisonbison the Bludgeoner (L17 DsFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by a smoke demon (divine providence) (summoned by a giant orange brain) on Abyss:4 (hangedman_abyss_rune_macabre_mess) on 2013-10-29 04:20:04, with 165392 points after 35790 turns and 3:19:58. 23:29:24 !won bisonbisonbison 23:29:25 bisonbisonbison has won once in 519 games (0.19%): 1xMiFi 23:29:36 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:12 <|amethyst> SamB: ohhh 23:30:15 kilobyte: I don't see much point of including Orc, for example 23:30:25 <|amethyst> ns2.wwbtc.com has moved 23:30:30 |amethyst: it has that option to trace things 23:30:31 |amethyst: not surprisingly, flushing the cache has an obvious result 23:30:47 ah yeah 23:32:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32:58 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:54 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:54 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 23:33:54 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:44 you got refresh of 1 week, expiry of 100 hours 23:35:01 does it even make sense for refresh to be longer than expiry? 23:35:09 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:15 sorry, 1000 hours not 100 23:37:08 bh: possibly Orc:4 with a low weight on Abyss:1 for theme? 23:37:27 current balance has mostly class-3 demons you just eliminated 23:38:05 but then, lots of popcorn + some extreme threats makes a worse play that most threads being moderate 23:38:24 * xFleury plays Webtiles in Firefox for a bit, then it starts getting laggy. Switches to Chrome for a bit (works great), then it starts getting laggy. Switches to Internet Explorer for a bit (works great).. but for how long... 23:38:58 xFleury: could you restart the browser then? 23:39:09 xFleury: I mean a full restart, not merely quitting and coming back 23:39:35 Yes restarting has the same effect as switching browsers except for the switching browsers part 23:39:37 session restore tends to bring back a good part of badness 23:39:48 :p 23:39:56 kilobyte: here's my off the cuff branch weighting ideas: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqZyUznoHGMAdEw0TWJvcFJvSHctTWlTVEdXWVFpNHc&usp=sharing 23:40:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:20 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 23:41:16 bh: what does "Branch" mean on this spreadsheet? Always Branch:$ ? 23:41:28 yes 23:41:30 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:11 D:27 can be harsh early on, at least quite a deal above current Abyss:1 difficulties 23:42:26 I mean, on the average; you don't meet ancient liches every day 23:42:48 maybe for D we could pick some non-$ level? Maybe D:19? 23:43:59 idea: what about having explicit depths on that list? 23:44:19 also, this looks pretty much like mon-pick 23:44:26 dangerous stuff should probably start at a low/non-zero weight on abyss:1, adding a whole bunch of depth breakpoints seems sort of bad 23:44:34 kilobyte: bam, it's world editable 23:44:39 hasn't Grunt modified the machinery to allow picking arbitrary stuff? 23:45:08 possibly the only reasonable place to put a breakpoint is abyss:3 since that's where the rune can spawn 23:45:23 you mean templatized the mon-picker? well somebody seems to have done it ... 23:45:47 it can be pretty confusing for people, though 23:46:19 it was designed with faithfully representing old data in mind 23:46:31 world editable? I didn't know that was allowed 23:48:51 <|amethyst> okay, I think the DNS issues are worked out 23:49:09 <|amethyst> the backup DNS server was watching too much Rocky Horror 23:49:15 <|amethyst> and decided "let's do the time warp again" 23:50:03 <|amethyst> and a misconfiguration on the primary DNS server caused it not to notice (it thought the secondary was the same IP as the primary) 23:50:36 what is the primary server supposed to DO about it, anyway? 23:50:38 -!- paulsomebody1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:50:45 <|amethyst> we're not really sure how the second thing happened, but I'll blame cpanel because that's usually a good thing to blame 23:50:59 <|amethyst> SamB: notice the problem and report it, at least 23:51:20 hmm, yes, I guess it could do that 23:51:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:52:31 <|amethyst> SamB: also, I guess the bad IP for the secondary meant the notifies got sent to the wrong place 23:52:42 we seem to have an awful lot of pick monster functions 23:52:51 <|amethyst> which explains how they got out of sync, but not where that ancient zone file came from 23:53:03 * Grunt picks bh. 23:53:15 kilobyte: I didn't make that change; mumra did! 23:53:20 |amethyst: a long time ago 23:53:50 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:13 <|amethyst> SamB: I guess if they've been out of sync for two years, but the secondary only just now started answering, that could do it 23:55:50 kilobyte: we could use abyss depth to do branch selection, or just add more state 23:56:58 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 23:57:53 a silly notation issue: having something like {BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON, 13} can be lots to write 23:58:10 yep. 23:59:36 <|amethyst> C++11 could fix that :) 23:59:45 please.