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I think that was introduced in Megaman 5. 01:57:58 -!- bmfx has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:15 |amethyst, os x has kqueue 02:05:32 |amethyst, it's more limited than inotify but may work fine for some tasks 02:06:04 |amethyst, and I'm not sure if it has anything else in addition to it 02:10:03 |amethyst, but whatever (Core) Foundation has to offer is likely to be just a wrapper to kqueue 02:12:58 -!- slifty has quit [Client Quit] 02:14:35 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:15 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:07 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20:06 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:00 -!- tsouns has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:30:10 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:13 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: tinybat] 02:35:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:56 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:42:26 Thanks |amethyst, I'll be sure to check it out when I get home 02:43:55 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:44:21 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:17 -!- Stelpa has quit [Client Quit] 02:59:31 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:03:18 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:30 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18:24 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:27:07 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:33:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:50 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 04:03:01 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:05:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:36:22 -!- Cronoth has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:37:49 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:43:51 Enemy not appears when examining the lower level in level map mode by Sar 04:46:53 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 04:52:35 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:31 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:02:09 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:04:11 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:01 -!- dg__ is now known as dgroves 05:15:05 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:36 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:45 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 05:29:31 -!- tsouns has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:59:39 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:08:27 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:18:25 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:21:40 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 06:23:20 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:27 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:06 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30:34 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:41 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:45:04 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:52:57 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:59:17 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:06:32 -!- dgroves has quit [] 07:11:25 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:44 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 07:23:24 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 07:28:08 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:29:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:29:25 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:33:31 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:38:49 -!- Cronoth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:40:00 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:40:38 -!- crawlnoob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:45:58 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:03:15 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:04:51 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11:13 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:19:15 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:21:11 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 08:27:23 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:37:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-393-g3a26ff0: Assert that the player has hp > 0 when saving. 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a26ff057532 08:40:26 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:42:08 -!- Wer6 has quit [Client Quit] 08:42:28 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:51 -!- zoopp has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:53:02 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:53:04 -!- Zermako2 is now known as Zermako 09:04:32 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:08:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:20 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:27 do scythes have bladestorm now? 09:16:03 ...huh? 09:16:13 I heard that they would get cleave 09:16:22 and that it'd be a 3 by 3 bladestorm 09:16:31 That's... not happening. 09:16:32 Ever. 09:16:53 why are there rumors then 09:17:03 Because people like to joke about it. 09:17:10 ah 09:17:38 well making scythes actually good wouldnt be the worst idea 09:19:13 since they are kinda cool 09:19:42 a 4 square cleave would be doable as well.....!!! 09:23:31 a coneshaped one for up right left down 09:23:46 and squares for the diagonal things 09:26:07 -!- johlstei has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:53 -!- deszczowiec has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:39:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 09:41:45 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:19 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:40 <|amethyst> thematically, it makes more sense to give cleave to the bardiche (an axe on a pole), but bardiche definitely doesn't need it 09:47:17 I'm straight-up curious about how good a scythe with a radius-2 cleave would be. 09:49:07 <|amethyst> You harvest the orphan like a sheaf! 09:49:32 * geekosaur imagining zermako v. cleave sigmund... 09:50:55 (not that cleave would make him deadlier, but zermako v. anything not "normal" is amusing) 09:55:22 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:11 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:05:14 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 10:10:20 -!- badplayer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:44 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:21:53 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:23:03 <|amethyst> geekosaur: FUCK! Sigmund attacked me from two squares away! That's bullshit! 10:24:11 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:27:18 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:30:40 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 10:31:00 this already happens with reaching Sigmund, of course 10:34:19 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:23 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:08 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:55 does anyone know what BEAM_HOLY_LIGHT is meant to befor? i would have guessed silver stars' holy light attack but apparently that's just BEAM_HOLY 11:03:32 -!- Pedroff has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:32 ..Pearl dragon breath? 11:04:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 11:04:27 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: haha 11:04:38 <|amethyst> SPELL_HOLY_LIGHT does use BEAM_HOLY, wtf 11:05:03 and relatedly: does anyone have any clue on how to actually make SPELL_HOLY_LIGHT somewhat sensible in general 11:05:07 <|amethyst> but ZAP_HOLY_LIGHT uses BEAM_HOLY_LIGHT 11:05:18 for some reason silver stars are hd 30, also the beam only ever deals 50% or 150% damage 11:05:29 <|amethyst> and SPELL_HOLY_LIGHT uses ZAP_HOLY_LIGHT 11:05:59 yeah i got that far and then just got really confused :P 11:06:20 <|amethyst> I have no idea which is actually used 11:06:43 <|amethyst> but the two do have wildly different damage 11:06:59 i think it must be BEAM_HOLY? otherwise wouldn't it not be resisted ever 11:07:29 <|amethyst> I guess, unless it mixes things 11:09:10 i don't think monster zaps actually use zap-data.h? at least there's a comment claiming they don't :P 11:09:12 "// FIXME: this should use the zap_data[] struct from beam.cc!" 11:09:26 <|amethyst> ohh 11:09:48 zaps need to die 11:10:10 so in theory if there were ever a player-castable SPELL_HOLY_LIGHT, then that would use BEAM_HOLY_LIGHT, and always be irresistible i guess 11:10:11 that information is halfway redundant with spell data 11:10:32 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 11:11:10 I renamed most zaps to their spells, but there's a few left, like the hack used for Sandblast with various ammunition 11:11:32 MarvinPA: zaps are player only 11:12:01 yeah 11:12:15 -!- xnavy__ is now known as xnavy 11:15:13 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 11:20:24 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-394-g4767b33: Make Xom's draining effect only drain once 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4767b33aea48 11:25:43 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:31 black mambas give only 50% of the exp death yaks give 11:27:39 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:29 well, they're not as deadly as death yaks 11:29:05 hm 11:29:17 is there a killratio for monsters? 11:29:33 no, sequell doesn't get notified for non-unique kills 11:29:50 so there's nothing to compute a kill ratio from 11:29:56 darn 11:30:17 My guess would be that theirs is near that of death yaks 11:30:42 You could take a look at how many have died to them. 11:31:05 yeah thats what I meant 11:31:27 !lg * ckiller=black_mamba 11:31:27 2343. Anchorite the Fighter (L11 CeHu), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by a black mamba on Lair:3 on 2013-10-26 15:59:47, with 13737 points after 13552 turns and 1:12:34. 11:31:34 !lg * ckiller=death_yak 11:31:34 2952. MAINTAINRANGE the Severer (L13 CeBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by a death yak on Lair:7 on 2013-10-26 15:15:03, with 41222 points after 21292 turns and 0:27:35. 11:31:37 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:38 !lg * place=Lair:8 killer=black_mamba 11:31:38 117. Firebatgyro the Cleaver (L13 DrCK), worshipper of Xom, mangled by a black mamba on Lair:8 on 2013-10-19 23:38:04, with 33668 points after 21623 turns and 1:39:47. 11:31:40 !lg * place=Lair:8 killer=death_yak 11:31:41 755. doomsgape the Imperceptible (L15 HaHu), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by a death yak on Lair:8 on 2013-10-26 11:24:22, with 63936 points after 30621 turns and 3:51:15. 11:32:17 was the 2343 the number of people who died? 11:32:24 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:32:44 Ladykiller69: yes, although mambas come earlier 11:32:52 2343 is the total number of games that ended with a hit from a mamba, yes 11:33:16 anyway 11:33:22 why I'm bringing this up 11:33:40 they dont have anywhere near the stats of death yaks ofc 11:33:45 unlike death yaks you can't run from mambas 11:33:52 exactly. 11:34:42 speed gives a massive bonus to xp 11:34:54 so it's already factored in 11:35:08 is xp calculated via the stats then? 11:35:23 yes 11:35:23 hm 11:35:26 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 59-96 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 873 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 11:35:26 %??Death yak 11:35:28 black mamba (02S) | Spd: 18 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 2004(medium poison) | cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(28), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 458 | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 11:35:28 %??Black mamba 11:35:52 is poison factored in? 11:35:56 the formula is pretty dumb 11:36:03 I think it's not 11:36:15 if you want examples of how broken experience is 11:36:18 giant leech (05w) | Spd: 8 (swim: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 46-74 | AC/EV: 5/15 | Dam: 3505(vampiric) | amphibious, evil | Res: 06magic(32), 12drown | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 287 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 11:36:18 %??Giant leech 11:36:22 boulder beetle (15B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 9 | HP: 60-93 | AC/EV: 20/2 | Dam: 45 | Res: 06magic(36) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 260 | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 11:36:22 %??Boulder beetle 11:36:27 look no further than here 11:37:06 hmmm 11:37:16 -!- ckyle has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:37:21 speed 6... 11:37:33 with a rolling attack that always hits 11:38:41 If I, purely hypothetically made a patch that gave the bot a table with special abilities and their respective place in the calculation 11:39:48 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:39:49 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 11:39:51 would I finally be loved by my parents? 11:40:57 because that wouldnt be anything other than putting in some variables and a table of things they mean... 11:46:51 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:11 and, on a completely unrelated note how are potions from sparkling fountains seleced? 11:47:26 with the same probability that makes them spawn? 11:47:31 or equally? 11:48:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:48:49 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:50:00 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:50:03 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:50:19 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:28 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:10 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:58:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:59:08 -!- xFleury has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:00:38 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:02:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:38 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.0-21-ge43020b 12:10:13 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10:33 ??sparkling fountain 12:10:34 sparkling fountain[1/1]: Grants one of many random potion effects each time you drink, with a chance of drying up. Weighted most towards water, with significant odds of decay and mutation; see http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc#l2194 for the full odds. But don't bother, just ignore them. 12:13:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:16:21 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-394-g4767b33 (34) 12:19:46 -!- FDahlmeyer has quit [Quit: FDahlmeyer] 12:21:46 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:26:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33:10 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:15 -!- grisnicke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:08 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 12:45:05 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:12 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:57:06 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:03:43 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:38 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:09 -!- czczvzxvczcvzvcz has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:18:30 why were they put in if they suck so much )= 13:20:50 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 13:21:44 Trees from a spriggan vault still hit you even inside Zin sanctuary by demiskeleton 13:21:44 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:27 "Firefox can't find the server at crawl.s-z.org." o.O 13:22:42 CSZO is down? :( 13:23:03 ??is cszo down 13:23:04 is cszo down[1/1]: If you have DNS problems try crawl.dobrazupa.org (webtiles + ssh). If you have too much lag try the other two IPs: dobrazupa.org and admin.dobrazupa.org (ssh only). 13:23:05 Seems up from here. 13:23:07 ^^ 13:23:41 Guess I was having DNS problems. 13:24:08 <|amethyst> CSZO has been having DNS problems all day 13:24:14 <|amethyst> s-z.org as a whole 13:24:49 How does it have DNS problems? Is it on a dynamic IP? :| 13:25:15 <|amethyst> the DNS server is having problems 13:25:39 bloax have you seen 4ths nagasplatparty? 13:25:58 No, I've been writing up a post here. 13:26:12 he's ben trying NaBe 13:26:23 Ladykiller69: this is ##crawl-dev 13:26:38 <|amethyst> they should be fixed now, but the wrong entries had a long TTL so not everyone's nameserver is fixed 13:27:07 are there any sheogorath references in the game? 13:28:37 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:38 on a more gameplay related note 13:29:00 why is there so little gameplay involving wrath? 13:29:10 xFleury: dynamic IPs usually have short enough TTLs in their DNS entries that problems are pretty short-lived ... 13:30:04 it would really lend itself for some batshit crazy valuts 13:31:05 pissing gods off for loot would sound fairly realistic actually... 13:31:31 thinking about it 13:32:06 ethernal wrath or wrath as a weapon quality would also be quite interesting 13:32:38 sort of already is wrath as a weapon quality... try various evil weapons as a worshipper of a good god :p 13:33:19 I meant more in the sense of wrath of a certain god as long as you wield a certain weapon 13:33:29 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:33:41 -!- Poyfn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:35:52 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: there's a nice lugonu vault that gives you a lugonu altar and some items that kind of replicate your current god's abilities 13:36:11 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/lugonu_bribe.des 13:36:13 Couldn't open current/source/dat/des/lugonu_bribe.des for reading 13:36:16 that actually sounds just broken 13:36:25 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/altar/lugonu_bribe.des 13:36:36 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8432985 13:37:05 <|amethyst> oh 13:37:17 <|amethyst> in some cases it's instead something that would be useless with your current god 13:37:30 -!- Fireheart has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:38:02 <|amethyst> the beogh list needs updated, since immolation isn't bad for beogh anymore 13:38:11 <|amethyst> well, not as bad 13:40:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:26 some of those are kinda reaching... magic dart for vehumet worshippers? 13:41:37 stones for jiyvaites? 13:41:51 nice manual of invo for xom 13:42:07 yeh, that was amusing 13:42:58 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:51 sif should get bloodlust or something 13:44:03 eh 13:44:08 dunno 13:44:14 maybe all 3 major spellbooks 13:44:19 but that would be... 13:44:20 well 13:44:23 you know. 13:44:27 too strong 13:44:31 <|amethyst> no, that would be useful for sif worshippers 13:44:47 dont you have to abandon your god to get the loot? 13:44:50 <|amethyst> no 13:44:56 no its just sitting there 13:45:05 which makes a couple of the "gifts" funny 13:45:52 "here's all this shit you can't use with your current god" 13:46:17 well i definitely like the chei/wand of hasting one, that ones pretty good 13:46:30 <|amethyst> the makhleb one could be revised 13:46:36 wait... 13:46:49 I dont see the atheist part in there 13:46:51 <|amethyst> rod of demonology isn't useless at 13:47:01 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: ["No God"]="amulet of Faith ident:type" 13:47:13 overlooked that 13:47:15 :D 13:47:30 thats actually a really brilliant vault 13:47:43 amulet of faith isn't necessarily useless to an athiest ... what if they decide they want a god after all? 13:47:52 eh 13:47:53 <|amethyst> SamB: it's D:12- so... 13:47:57 hmm 13:48:01 that. 13:48:04 <|amethyst> SamB: unless they're saving themselves for jiyva 13:48:08 Dgs will be there 13:48:26 but they wont worship lucy for sure 13:48:26 <|amethyst> also, large rocks aren't useless for Tr/Og^Jiyva 13:48:39 amethyst somewhat... 13:48:53 <|amethyst> ??evil gods 13:48:54 evil gods[1/2]: Beogh, Lugonu, Kikubaaqudgha, Yredelemnul, Makhleb. 13:49:02 summon butterflies for okaites :D 13:49:04 why is beogh evil? 13:49:11 <|amethyst> and if you're saving yourself for jiyva, might as well go ely or tso 13:49:21 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: why is hitler evil? 13:49:53 beogh only cares about orcs tho 13:49:57 <|amethyst> (Zin is fascist too, but "Zin and Ely and TSO" are the definition of "good" in crawl) 13:50:03 he doesnt even want other races sacreficed to him 13:50:17 Beogh is the big racist in Crawl. 13:50:19 And so he is bad. 13:50:36 I thought it was something about how orc high priests are demon summoners (and Nergalle's spectrals etc.) 13:50:37 <|amethyst> Bloax: Why's ely so racist against mummies? 13:50:41 hes not really racist, he just doesnt care about non orc things 13:51:51 <|amethyst> I guess that's true; he rewards killing everything, not non-orc humanoids or something like that 13:52:18 |amethyst: Because mummies are a mockage to all that is alive. 13:52:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:43 <|amethyst> Bloax: Ely's perfectly happy to pacify them though 13:53:15 wasn't his hatred of player mummies a balance change 13:53:38 <|amethyst> I don't know, but I doubt it 13:53:58 <|amethyst> I suspect undead races have always been forbidden from worshipping good gods 13:54:20 Guess it's the same reason the 'good' gods hate demonspawn. 13:54:50 gotta keep that 'good' image 13:54:59 even if they genuinely want to worship you 13:55:47 reverse peofane servitors 13:55:52 *profane 13:57:09 <|amethyst> Rime of the Ancient Mariner is precedent for good "undead" 13:57:11 STRIKT VERBOTEN 13:57:42 <|amethyst> 'Twas not those souls that fled in pain, / Which to their corses came again, / But a troop of spirits blest 13:58:11 afaik undead have never been able to worship Ely, but it's certainly true that allowing Ely for mummies would have balance issues 13:58:34 see DjHe 13:58:54 (the main cost of Ely abilities is food, and one of the main drawbacks of mummies is healing...) 13:59:17 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:46 these balance issues could be addressed of course but it would probably be ugly 14:00:49 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:04:24 Hmm, I keep forgetting to say: whoever fixed up the tileset for Shoals, did an incredible job! 14:04:33 It's no longer an incredible eye-sore of brightness and contrast. 14:04:39 -!- andrey_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:42 ontoclasm: ^ 14:06:52 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:13:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:14:27 -!- Gh0ul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:55 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:18:17 Crypt not in G menu by rchandra 14:21:23 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:48 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 14:23:05 I really like the clan name "You can stand under my umbra umbra." 14:23:40 -!- st_ has quit [] 14:31:02 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:50 Heh, experience isn't just broken for slow monsters. 14:31:56 kraken (05X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 16 | HP: 181-233 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 50 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 2317 | Sp: spawn tentacles, 04esc:ink cloud | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 14:31:56 %??Kraken 14:32:21 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-109 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1422 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 14:32:21 %??Stone giant 14:33:26 what is broken there? 14:34:05 2317 XP isn't all that much for a very, very strong monster. 14:34:37 1.5 stone giants is quite a bit more dangerous than a kraken IMO 14:34:48 those kraken stats seem very misleading as well 14:34:52 I personally dont fear krakens that much 14:34:57 as it's not too often that you're getting hit by the kraken 14:35:01 and not a tentacle 14:35:06 but then again 14:35:17 also wand of fire/cold/draining is a common item that is very very good against kraken 14:35:28 I play mages 14:35:33 but yes it is almost always your own choice to be hit by a kraken 14:35:40 this makes it automatically less dangerous 14:35:58 a LOT less 14:36:08 but the reward should not be too low 14:36:22 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:29 Now imagine them getting the same ability as their little abyss-crawling brothers.. :p 14:36:58 ? 14:37:05 ??Tentacled starspawn 14:37:05 tentacled starspawn[1/1]: Tentacled abyss monsters. The tentacles deal low damage but constrict and pull you towards the starspawn head (which hits hard). 14:37:12 ah 14:38:23 -!- Yakesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:58 I consider the kraken tentacles a weakness actually 14:41:43 against ranged ppl 14:43:18 You know, that could actually very well be a thing. 14:43:41 Though it would suddenly make them pretty lethal unless you run screaming in the opposite direction upon seeing them. 14:44:01 I stay at max range 14:44:50 (I'm still talking about the pulling mechanic, except I forgot to refer it for some reason.) 14:45:19 oh 14:45:31 would make them INCREDIBLY terrifying 14:45:37 since watermeele and so on 14:45:54 unless you run screaming in the opposite direction upon seeing them. 14:45:55 watermelon eh 14:46:01 elliptic: whoever is writing the tournament report, might be nice to mention the three guys who were alone in getting a III banner 14:46:03 well 14:46:08 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:52 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:56 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:02 monsters that just 100% force exclusions arent that brilliant 14:47:11 dpeg: they might not be alone by the end of the tourney! 14:47:58 dpeg: do you want to write the report, by the way? I probably won't be able to write it until wednesday or so 14:48:04 !time 14:48:05 Time: Oct 26, 2013, 07:48:04 PM, UTC. The 2013 0.13 tournament ends in 1 day, 11 minutes and 55 seconds. 14:48:11 elliptic: of course :) 14:48:21 (that was to the first one, but I could also write it 14:48:32 ... a pity I couldn't play enough to win once) 14:48:53 elliptic: so this is why your streak goes unextended? 14:49:39 I won't have the time to play more, yeah... I'm still pretty happy about getting a 10-streak after not playing much for the few months before the tourney :) 14:49:53 wow 14:49:54 gratz 14:50:05 yes, looks awesome -- I did note a distinct absence of Vow of Courage though =) 14:50:18 vow of courage? 14:50:20 !seen MarvinPA 14:50:20 I last saw MarvinPA at Sat Oct 26 17:12:26 2013 UTC (2h 37m 54s ago) saying 'Varren: there is a circus vault' on ##crawl. 14:50:32 Ladykiller69: get a rune before entering D:15 14:50:48 that shouldnt be too hard right? 14:50:58 It's a kind of testing ground for the rune lock. 14:51:07 you have 3-8 runes to choose from 14:51:19 rune lock? 14:51:30 dpeg: by the way, since you are always interested in tourney stats, here are some stats comparing the first 15 days of last tourney with this tourney 14:51:31 Ladykiller69: I proposed to make this a game rule. 14:51:32 Vow of Courage 3 is a bad challenge. 14:51:39 !tstats 15 t0.12 14:51:43 unless you go jiyva of course 14:51:51 elliptic: always interested in stats, yes! 14:51:51 Stats after 15 days (t0.12): 1698 players, 431 runers, 258 winners, 555 wins, winrate 1.29%, total player time 2y+343d+20:57:53. 14:51:52 !tstats 15 t0.13 14:51:59 Stats after 15 days (t0.13): 1687 players, 472 runers, 235 winners, 558 wins, winrate 1.34%, total player time 2y+272d+12:57:06. 14:51:59 dpeg you'd kill branchless! 14:52:00 <3 <3 <3 14:52:16 Ladykiller69: design should not care about conducts too much 14:52:22 xD 14:52:32 (warning: that command won't work right for some older tourneys which lasted past a month boundary) 14:52:34 well it would add additional constraints 14:52:49 so if you get 3 really shitty vaults 14:52:52 Ladykiller69: there are two forum threads if you're curious 14:53:01 elliptic: stagnation! DCSS has reached the limit 14:53:03 you have an actual problem 14:53:12 I'm kind of writing a little rant about loot in the lair branches. 14:53:23 -!- CryptKiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:53:31 its shitty is what you're saying? 14:53:45 a month or two ago I got something of dev approval for testing the rune lock once 0.13 is out 14:54:04 well it would make for some great vaults 14:54:08 AND! 14:54:19 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:25 you could put in mechanics that allow you to circumvent the runelock 14:54:29 at a cost... 14:54:31 The main point being adding little guarded storerooms to Shoals/Snake to make Shoals/Snake:1-4 less pointless looking. 14:55:00 Ladykiller69: yes, of course! But that's a secondary step... no need to discuss stuff like this if we find we rune lock doesn't work in the first place (of course I hope it does) 14:55:12 I am a big fan of adding soft barriers 14:55:17 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:55:31 Along with some corpses spread around in little vaults or just plain around the place in Swamp/Spider that are alike to the corpses in a certain (great) labyrinth ending. 14:56:21 does this sound like a retarded idea y/y 14:56:28 shoals already does have those of course 14:56:39 It does, in Shoals:5. 14:56:59 does every floor in the game need special loot houses though, floor stuff is already quite good a lot of the time 14:57:17 I am not really concerned so much about loot itself. 14:57:28 and since there are many important people here I just wanna mention that a zermako unique should be made that doesnt give exp, drops a potion of healing/curing and has as only code the frenzy caused by discord 14:57:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:16 and if zermako kills zermako everyone has to take a shot. 14:58:46 not sure which way around, maybe even both 14:58:58 *vanish* 14:59:02 Anyway what would you be looking out for when you test the rune lock, just how many characters have trouble with it/don't? 14:59:41 I can safely say that GrBe doesn't have too much trouble getting three runes before D:14 and under 11k turns. 15:00:02 well yes obviously the speedrunner specials don't have much to worry about 15:00:32 But we're talking about less solid combinations here, obviously. :x 15:00:42 SwissStopwatch: yes, exactly 15:01:09 SwissStopwatch: tbh, I don't expect any serious problems -- but I am absolutely sure that we'll witness something of a shitstorm on SA 15:01:59 most of us won't actually witness anything on SA :P 15:02:29 you lucky lot :) 15:02:54 the forum had its shitstorm already until MarvinPA mercilessly pulled the plug 15:04:52 or mercifully maybe 15:05:43 yes it depends... gotta admit I like this nonsensical "you must be out of your minds, this will ruin the game, stupidest idea ever" &c a bit 15:05:49 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:53 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:00 I mean I think the last one was complicated because the victim -also- caught a lot of flak/general antipathy towards stuff he didn't do too 15:07:17 which is of course part of the reason those are generally awful 15:08:44 Anyway I think my biggest rune lock question is how many people will die entirely avoidable deaths to 20-headed hydras in swamp 15:08:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:09:29 SwissStopwatch: only one way of finding out 15:09:58 yes 15:11:09 SwissStopwatch: unless I am missing something, is there any problem at all with entirely avoidable deaths? 15:11:30 well i assume he means avoidable under the present system, less so in the runelocked system 15:11:43 I'm actually just being a little silly 15:12:13 if you die to a 20-headed hydra there's very little way it's not your fault, after all, but possibly some people will adjust badly at first, idk 15:12:26 i'm not a fan, i like the flexibility the current system affords, but oh well 15:13:07 no, about the "last one was complicated by the victim" 15:13:37 oh, that. I mean that I think DracoOmega probably caught a lot of flak for things he didn't actually do 15:13:52 but was just the nearest convenient target for angry people 15:14:49 yes 15:14:58 I am still bitter about it... cost us a great dev :( 15:15:25 oh....he's gone? =( 15:16:06 yes 15:16:17 then i guess waiting around to ask him a question won't be very productive 15:16:22 that's too bad 15:17:03 * SamB didn't know he was gone :-( 15:17:36 ProzacElf: I think he'd reply to an email 15:18:18 i actually just wanted to know if he was responsible for the apparent change to invis 15:18:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:33 i.e., it doesn't appear to make you glow anymore 15:18:38 SamB: I wanted to write a c-r-d email on the matter (and especially what we can learn from it... for example, draco misinterpreted some dev reactions as ignorance/criticism when they really weren't... communication would've helped). But the kicker were the hostile player reactions. 15:18:55 i know i had discussed that with him more than any other dev 15:19:20 what were the hostile player reactions about? i've been away for about 3 mos 15:19:23 what all did he do again right after the last tourney? 15:19:28 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:41 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:50 he was working on forest and crypt 15:19:58 right 15:19:58 forest at that point I guess 15:20:15 forest feedback was downright hostile... I talked to him about at length 15:20:19 i kind of don't get all the anger over forest in general 15:20:28 couldn't people, like, not go? 15:20:40 right 15:20:44 well if they want tomb... 15:21:07 I meant to forest 15:21:24 tomb is in forest, like its in crypt 15:21:29 * SamB doesn't actually get that far in the game, sorry 15:21:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:44 %git c56f7848c24e60 15:21:45 07galehar02 * 0.13-a0-2716-gc56f784: Use a finer scale for magic contamination. 10(2 months ago, 15 files, 149+ 128-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c56f7848c24e 15:21:47 ProzacElf: ^ 15:21:55 heh....i've never felt like doing tomb even when i've done forest 15:22:00 MarvinPA: thanks 15:22:10 ProzacElf: You're not missing out on much. 15:22:38 i do forest because i want faerie armor, not because i want to subject myself to tomb 15:22:41 read SA pages 120-- for example 15:23:51 meh....i don't have an SA account 15:23:52 btw the thing with FDA being guaranteed forest loot should be changed... if the enchantress is going to be guaranteed in forest, she should only get faerie dragon armour some proportion of the time (and get regular mottled or something the rest of the time) 15:24:16 What really gets my blood boiling is this one. lordfrikk: "Wait, what? DracoOmega quit the development team?" coyo7e: "Yup. I made him do it, too." 15:24:17 well, i think it should at least be +x mottled 15:24:34 but i can agree that she shouldn't always have FDA 15:24:34 elliptic: true 15:24:39 ProzacElf: presumably with some change of being +x, like margery mottled 15:24:46 +0 mottled is probably an improvement over faerie dragon a lot of the time 15:24:54 well "some" 15:24:57 not "a lot" 15:25:07 dpeg: I'm also very sad to see him go, he was very prolific at creating new content 15:25:09 What other things in the game have guaranteed loot? 15:25:12 SwissStopwatch: definitely not a lot I think 15:25:17 What's really sad about it is that draco was really good at looking after his stuff (he's been polishing Vault monsters all the time, for example) 15:25:42 he was always very open to feedback too 15:25:47 at least constructive feedback 15:25:56 gammafunk: yes, and excellent stuff. Even if Forest would've turned out to be a dud, he has so much good stuff to his name. But as I said, he took it all alone, rather than looking for dev feedback. 15:27:02 i recall having quite a long conversation with him about how to try to differentiate spriggan enchanters 15:27:10 from the other spriggans 15:27:35 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:27:38 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:48 Bloax: uh....dispater? 15:28:12 the hell lords in general i guess 15:30:40 There are three guaranteed weapons (only Cerebov's sword is an actual melee weapon though) in the game, and FDA would be the only armour. 15:31:43 Oh, and all three weapons are post-game too. 15:34:05 Jump attack still connects if you enter a teleport trap mid-jump by Vinterriket 15:34:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:43 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:38:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:29 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:45:22 in case anyone would for some reason be interested: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/hopelessposting.png 15:46:46 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:11 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:48:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:46 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as ProzacElf 15:49:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:39 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:53:59 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:03 Bloax: I don't understand the direction of your text: exactly the same is true on Orc, Elf, Zot and Vaults. 16:00:06 Orc is a mine that already kind of has this, Elf is indeed kind of strange, Vaults isn't really as problematic as the lair branches - and Zot is weird. 16:01:58 Bloax: is your text related to rune lock or not? 16:02:27 Oh, no - it's actually https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9655 16:03:35 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:04:24 kilobyte: so, it seems elfutils (at least, as used in that example program) isn't so great at finding debuginfo on Debian systems yet ... 16:06:13 Bloax: I see... so it is related in a way! 16:06:40 It's related in the way that the entire reason a runelock is attractive is that the lair branches are rather lackluster. 16:07:18 Bloax: no! That is missing the point. 16:07:55 kilobyte: also maybe try hanging out in #gdb and #elfutils 16:08:41 dpeg: Well I haven't really seen an explanation to it, so that may very well be. 16:09:31 Bloax: did you just paste a screenshot of text ??? 16:09:41 SamB: Web 3.0!!! 16:09:47 SamB: I dropped the post, so yes. 16:10:16 I thought Web 3.0 was where JavaScript was a scheme like was originally intended 16:10:20 Bloax: as I explained on the forum, the lock is not about increasing variety (its effect on variety among games is unclear and might reduce it a bit even) -- the point is that Lair branch ends would make fine tactical highlights, only that it rarely happens because everyone goes in as late as possible. 16:10:30 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:14 maybe runes should give you magical powers 16:11:50 i.e. increase the payoff for finishing a rune branch some other way 16:11:54 SamB: that is an attempt to tempt players into doing branch ends for a gain (the carrot). However, I believe in the stick =) 16:12:09 The stick is currently made of molded cheese. 16:12:37