00:00:22 <|amethyst> which is like 8 minutes ago 00:00:37 !hs * t DEWr 00:00:38 2. rw the Grasshopper (L2 DEWr), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2013-10-16 19:26:43, with 59 points after 160 turns and 0:00:16. 00:00:41 <|amethyst> and it just updated again 00:00:42 odd 00:00:43 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.0-11-g0187522 00:00:50 <|amethyst> !lg * t dewr 00:00:51 2. rw the Grasshopper (L2 DEWr), slain by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2013-10-16 19:26:43, with 59 points after 160 turns and 0:00:16. 00:00:56 <|amethyst> !lg samb dewr 00:00:57 2. SamB the Grasshopper (L2 DEWr), slain by a giant newt on D:2 on 2013-05-16 23:10:10, with 113 points after 1227 turns and 0:04:00. 00:01:03 <|amethyst> !lg samb dewr x=v 00:01:04 2. [v=0.12.1] SamB the Grasshopper (L2 DEWr), slain by a giant newt on D:2 on 2013-05-16 23:10:10, with 113 points after 1227 turns and 0:04:00. 00:01:09 how the ... 00:01:36 <|amethyst> that's 5 months ago 00:01:36 <|amethyst> hm 00:01:46 oh 00:02:10 <|amethyst> !lg samb ghsu 00:02:11 2. SamB the Caller (L3 GhSu), slain by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:2 on 2013-10-18 04:53:03, with 80 points after 3025 turns and 0:07:01. 00:02:35 <|amethyst> !lg samb 00:02:36 1242. SamB the Caller (L3 GhSu), slain by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:2 on 2013-10-18 04:53:03, with 80 points after 3025 turns and 0:07:01. 00:02:43 maybe I missed DEWr 00:03:31 * SamB must just be bad at systematically beating the scores, sorry 00:04:26 <|amethyst> !lg samb wr 00:04:27 8. SamB the Grasshopper (L4 DDWr), mangled by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe of distortion) on D:3 on 2013-10-18 02:39:03, with 302 points after 3204 turns and 0:09:57. 00:04:33 <|amethyst> maybe the wrong "deep"? 00:04:42 <|amethyst> "Why isn't my elf healing???" 00:04:43 yeah, I think I misread it ... 00:05:56 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-293-gdf7c8ac (34) 00:06:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-293-gdf7c8ac (34) 00:08:11 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:10:58 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:11:05 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-11-g0187522 (34) 00:14:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:17:41 -!- shummie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18:20 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-293-gdf7c8ac (34) 00:19:06 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:44 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:20:02 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:21:23 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 267 seconds] 00:22:52 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:49 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:25:04 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:25:52 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 00:26:52 -!- Yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:28:22 |amethyst: i posted what i think is the right fix for https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7640 can you look when you get a chance? 00:29:22 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:30:48 SamB: it sleeps for 7 minutes after each time running 00:31:19 elliptic: it was just PEBKAC 00:31:41 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:36:40 * SamB wonders why the "last updated" date is so tiny 00:38:48 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 00:41:41 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 00:42:18 -!- platinum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:42:42 troll zombie (07z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 46-73 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 16, 12, 12 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(9), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 65 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 00:42:42 %??troll zombie 00:43:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:09 -!- talkingcatjazzca has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45:37 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:22 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-293-gdf7c8ac 00:47:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:49:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:51 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:53 -!- trckry has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:56:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:35 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:57:56 Windows builds of pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-11-g0187522 00:58:17 Napkin: pre-release branch? 01:00:44 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:37 -!- qoala has quit [] 01:05:57 -!- rapierx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:08:41 -!- Gamesmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:13:29 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:15:57 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:30 -!- Napkin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:10 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:10 |amethyst: cszo webtiles seems to have died again :/ 01:23:10 -!- idiot45 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:47 and taken our console games with it :-( 01:23:57 not that I was actually playing mine 01:24:02 indspenceable (L12 DrTm) (Lair:3) 01:24:14 hetzner had core switch down 01:25:48 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:27:57 <|amethyst> looks like indspenceable's game dying cleared it up 01:28:06 <|amethyst> !lg indspenceable 10 01:28:07 10/1295. indspenceable the Eclecticist (L15 HEWz), worshipper of Vehumet, blown up by an eye of devastation on D:17 on 2011-11-13 21:38:27, with 99707 points after 38661 turns and 4:11:45. 01:28:09 <|amethyst> err 01:28:13 <|amethyst> !lg indspenceable -log 01:28:13 1295. indspenceable, XL5 DrTm, T:2993: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/indspenceable/morgue-indspenceable-20131018-000318.txt 01:28:17 <|amethyst> !lm indspenceable crash -log 01:28:18 2. indspenceable, XL12 DrTm, T:20516 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/indspenceable/crash-indspenceable-20131018-062402.txt 01:28:28 it prompted me to kill the game, so i did 01:28:34 <|amethyst> aha 01:28:40 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:57 <|amethyst> _send_map -> TilesFramework::finish_message -> sendto 01:29:51 <|amethyst> I have to imagine there's some kind of deadlock on the socket 01:31:11 <|amethyst> webtiles is stuck reading from the socket, crawl is stuck writing to the socket... or maybe both are trying to write 01:32:37 <|amethyst> I think these hangs started to appear when we started batching webtiles messages 01:33:13 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:33:26 <|amethyst> !tell Medar are there any cases related to webtiles message batching where both crawl and webtiles could be trying to write the socket 01:33:27 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 01:34:09 <|amethyst> !tell Medar ? We keep getting hangs like !lm indspenceable crash 2 -log which wedge the whole webtiles server until the crawl process is killed 01:34:10 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 01:34:39 <|amethyst> !tell Medar and this started showing up after the message batching was introduced (most frequently on CAO, sometimes on CSZO) 01:34:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 01:38:45 perhaps they should be honoring the socket's buffer size ... 01:43:56 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:49 -!- Zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:53:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:01:31 -!- odiv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:31 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:01:31 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:01:31 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:02:42 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:42 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 02:02:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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rock worms from monster Summon Vermin 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd890a18065a 06:29:18 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-295-g6232120: Fix OTR and Ozo's Refrigeration not turning allies hostile 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62321204ccf9 06:29:20 -!- eb has quit [] 06:31:38 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:03 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:49:46 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:57:02 "a horned helmet" sounds like an overly fanastic name for an AC:1 helmet :/ 06:57:52 It's even got a fancy sprite for the character. 07:06:09 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:54 -!- slifty has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:08:18 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: unintelligent allies that aren't angered by magic dart or fireball are now angered by refrig 07:08:40 mm, maybe unintelligent allies should be angered by magic dart and fireball 07:09:02 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:09:11 since that's really weird 07:09:16 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: that makes inner flame a lot worse 07:09:23 <|amethyst> since you can't do zombie bombs 07:09:33 <|amethyst> s/a lot /// 07:09:41 <|amethyst> s/\/$// 07:11:00 yeah that's a shame i guess but i'm sure it could be buffed some other way if necessary 07:11:36 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: also, I had thought not waking sleeping things was an intentional benefit of Ozo's 07:11:53 <|amethyst> but I have no feel for whether that made it too powerful 07:12:46 it might have been but i don't think it makes a big difference in terms of power 07:12:54 so it's just a weird special case for no particularly good reason 07:13:31 it was occasionally really good that it didn't wake enemies up, but the spell will be fine without it 07:13:40 (and even if it did make a big difference sometimes, ozo's is still plenty powerful) 07:13:43 yeah 07:14:41 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:24 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:23:24 Was there ever a commit that made cure mutation less rare? I can't seem to find it by searching commit messages, but I recall there being one. 07:24:01 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:02 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:12 Dalvant (L7 DEFE) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 350: cloud in closed_door at (27,38) (D (Sprint)) 07:33:19 <|amethyst> !lm dalvant sprint crash -log 07:33:20 1. Dalvant, XL7 DEFE, T:969 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Dalvant/crash-Dalvant-20131018-123010.txt 07:35:22 <|amethyst> that happens when you close a door that has a cloud on it... I guess that should remove the cloud now? 07:38:32 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:54 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:55 yes; in 0.13 the cloud is shown but not the door 07:40:30 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 07:40:45 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:40:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:45:32 <|amethyst> Tomb card already removes the cloud... I haven't looked into other non-abyss terrain modifications like door-sealing 07:47:05 Can the "Two of your 10 bread rations are devoured!" be written in red text? :| 07:47:27 It's a fairly important notice, IMO. 07:48:09 just because i am always bitter about my muck losses: could there be a way to avoid 50 turn xom confusions yet for mummies 07:49:04 <|amethyst> xFleury: oh, it was supposed to be 07:49:19 <|amethyst> xFleury: but no one updated the match when the message was changed 07:49:27 xFleury: if it's 2 of 10, it can't be an important notice 07:49:41 xFleury: 2 of 2, on the other hand... 07:49:55 Always giving me a hardtime, kilobyte, lol... 07:50:31 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:51:29 yesterday for a second i thought that if you were confused and then put on an amulet of confusion your confusion duration was decreased, but alas. this would be nice though 07:52:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-296-gaec14df: Colour harpy devourment as item destruction (xFleury) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aec14dfe817b 07:53:23 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.13 07:54:11 <|amethyst> Ragdoll: FR: amulet of confusion 07:54:27 aaaaaaah 07:54:42 <|amethyst> Ragdoll: and wouldn't that mean you'd just sit there swapping it over and over until back to normal? that seems funny 07:54:56 <|amethyst> off to work, makeup exams :/ 07:55:05 :S 07:55:43 no, i was thinking more of an effect like, if you were confused, and if you have an amulet of clarity on, your confusion duration would be decreased by a percentage for example 07:56:05 i do like the thought of swapping the amulet off/on all the time though, haha 08:03:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-297-g1610093: Don't let red draconian breath create clouds in a wall. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1610093c1666 08:03:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-298-gdb7dcdd: Remove clouds when terrain is changed to something that precludes one. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db7dcdd94b4d 08:08:20 -!- slifty has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:09:21 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 08:10:24 -!- Burer has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 08:12:29 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:13:15 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:30 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-299-g49704ef: Use the correct behaviour event for Refrig and OTR. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49704efeba30 08:15:57 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20:43 -!- Burer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:32 -!- Burer has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 08:23:02 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 08:27:10 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:20 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:21 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:18 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:29 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 08:40:03 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Client Quit] 08:44:54 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45:33 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 08:46:37 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:47:00 Watball (L1 GrBe) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 08:47:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:47:37 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:50:17 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 08:52:52 |amethyst: do you have the rights to update CLAN? 08:55:35 ??rebuild 08:55:36 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 08:55:58 <|amethyst> kilobyte: launched 08:56:10 oh, I won't do it myself then 08:56:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: if you don't have access to the rebuild page, make sure you have an account there and ask TZer0 to flag your dgl account as admin 09:02:11 -!- ZebTM_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:06:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:56 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:12:52 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:17:45 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:46 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:17 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 09:22:33 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:33 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:50 Lunia (L1 KoAs) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:22:51 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-299-g49704ef (34) 09:23:05 Lunia (L1 KoAs) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:23:13 Lunia (L1 NaAs) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:23:29 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:24 <|amethyst> updating cszo 09:24:29 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-299-g49704ef (34) 09:25:11 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:42 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:18 whoa, ozo's not waking up sleeping enemies was a bug? 09:28:42 -!- jilles has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:32:00 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:32:04 <|amethyst> I still think it (and OTR, probably also drain life) should use ME_ANNOY rather than ME_WHACK. besides the stupid followers inconsistency (which, granted, maybe should be removed altogether), ME_WHACK also alerts the monster to your position 09:39:06 zazu2006 (L1 HEEn) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:39:21 zazu2006 (L1 HEEn) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:39:28 <|amethyst> I imagine zazu has the old version? 09:39:30 zazu2006 (L1 HEEn) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:39:36 <|amethyst> !lm zazu2006 sprint crash -log 09:39:37 2. zazu2006, XL1 HEEn, T:0 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/zazu2006/crash-zazu2006-20131018-143921.txt 09:39:48 <|amethyst> oh, nope 09:39:59 <|amethyst> !lm zazu2006 sprint crash -log -3 09:39:59 1. zazu2006, XL1 HEEn, T:0 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/zazu2006/crash-zazu2006-20131018-143906.txt 09:40:05 <|amethyst> !lm zazu2006 sprint crash -log -5 09:40:06 Index out of range: -5 09:40:26 <|amethyst> in fact, the very first of zazu's crashes was in the new version 09:40:46 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:41:38 <|amethyst> Oh, but it was on game load 09:42:38 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I think !lm zazu2006 sprint crash -log 1 resulted from loading a save that had a fog machine in a bad location? 09:46:28 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 09:47:07 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:47:37 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:52:27 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:58:33 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:59:12 <|amethyst> Also, ignore my "I still think...", I missed your commit :) 10:02:42 <|amethyst> !lm zazu2006 10:02:43 2418. [2013-10-13 13:02:22] zazu2006 the Magician (L7 HEWz) killed Eustachio on turn 3930. (D:5) 10:02:45 <|amethyst> !lm zazu2006 sprint 10:02:46 3557. [2013-10-18 14:53:02] zazu2006 the Vexing (L1 HEEn) became a worshipper of Okawaru on turn 66. (D) 10:02:48 <|amethyst> !lg zazu2006 sprint 10:02:49 2429. zazu2006 the Covert (L9 HEEn), worshipper of Okawaru, mangled by a seven-headed hydra in Sprint (Sprint VII: "The Pits") on 2013-10-18 15:01:15, with 2152 points after 2267 turns and 0:08:33. 10:03:21 <|amethyst> !lm zazu2006 sprint crash 10:03:21 3. [2013-10-18 14:39:28] zazu2006 the Vexing (L1 HEEn) ASSERT(!feat is solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed on turn 0. (D) 10:03:38 <|amethyst> I guess zazu was able to start that game eventually 10:03:45 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:46 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:10:46 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:37 TZer0 (L13 LOBe) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (Volcano) 10:20:37 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:23:43 -!- demiskelly has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:24:47 -!- Deckard_Pain has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:26:09 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:31:15 !tell |amethyst seems I got an error. 10:31:16 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:32:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:36 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:38:54 <|amethyst> TZer0: assuming that was in -299, do a save backup and let kilobyte know 10:38:54 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:38:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:02 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 10:51:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:54 -!- demiskelly has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:01:39 !lm TZer0 crash -log 11:01:39 2. TZer0, XL13 LOBe, T:17530 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/TZer0/crash-TZer0-20131018-151335.txt 11:04:52 -!- Mattias has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:08:07 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 11:08:17 -!- Mattias has quit [Client Quit] 11:13:00 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:16:14 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:18:41 yay power supply :( 11:19:44 this crash is easy to reproduce, but I got only as far as starting gdb on it (indeed a lua marker) before hardware shit happened 11:20:07 now where am I supposed to grab a new power supply on a friday evening? 11:24:18 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:27 kilobyte: steal it 11:28:30 <|amethyst> just plug in 240V mains directly to the components. They should run several times faster that way 11:29:23 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:29:54 just make sure to disable temperature in the options beforehand 11:30:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:32:16 http://ecoble.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/one-laptop-per-child-olpc-crank3.jpg 11:32:21 the correect solution 11:34:45 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:05 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:38:11 -!- Cronoth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:40 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:30 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:43:12 whew, saved by the junk pile 11:43:26 moral: keeping things tidy is bad for you 11:43:54 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:01 remember that before you throw out those BNC network terminators :) 11:47:03 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:11 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:53:14 I think it would be really cool that if you kill Boris while he's silenced, he doesn't regenerate. 11:54:36 Boris starts to say something snarky, but is forced to settle for a rude gesture! 11:56:04 <|amethyst> FR: Morg is his phylactery 11:56:12 <|amethyst> so if you throw it in lava, he won't come back 11:56:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:57:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:30 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:07:38 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.0-12-g8a9037c 12:10:27 -!- myrmidette has quit [Client Quit] 12:11:38 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:15:00 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:16:23 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:29 -!- Senjai_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:20 ontoclasm: ooh.. does this mean we can have anyone playing Dungeon Crawl soon? 12:19:36 ...huh? 12:19:42 oh 12:19:44 :D 12:19:44 yes 12:19:49 Sergei the Skirmisher (L1 HOFi) ASSERT(sel.size() == 1) in 'command.cc' at line 1380 failed on turn 2. (D:1) 12:20:02 soon starving children in africa will be able to find the orb of zot 12:20:09 <|amethyst> never seen that one before 12:20:15 <|amethyst> !lm Sergei crash -log 12:20:16 1. Sergei, XL1 HOFi, T:2 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Sergei/crash-Sergei-20131018-171948.txt 12:20:25 except we'd need to optimize the shit out of Crawl first 12:20:43 not if they play through ssh or webtiles.. 12:20:45 :D 12:21:41 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:23:05 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-299-g49704ef (34) 12:23:09 it doesn't seem to compare favourably to raspi; I wouldn't want to run a browser capable of webtiles there 12:24:13 -!- Senjai_ is now known as Senjai 12:24:20 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 12:24:20 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:29 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:49 <|amethyst> Sergei's crash is in list_commands -> formatted_scroller::show -> ... -> process_key 12:31:41 <|amethyst> the selection has three FAQ entries in it 12:32:56 Jurt (L27 DsWz) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (Abyss:2) 12:33:17 <|amethyst> !lm jurt crash -log 12:33:18 1. Jurt, XL27 DsWz, T:98483 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jurt/crash-Jurt-20131018-173256.txt 12:34:56 <|amethyst> selected b, c, and C 12:35:56 * xFleury is looking @ int melee_attack::calc_stat_to_hit_base() 12:36:15 Anyone know readily how strength weighting affects melee combat? 12:37:35 If you don't trust the answer that "it does basically nothing" for some reason, more or less it changes the str and dex used in weapon calculations to be some number based on the character's str/dex and the weapon's weighting 12:37:37 <|amethyst> xFleury: to-hit and damage get a bonus based on an effective stat value 12:37:52 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:38 <|amethyst> xFleury: for damage, that stat value is strweight% strength + (100% - strweight%)*(average of str and dex) 12:38:58 <|amethyst> xFleury: for to-hit, it is strweight%*(average of str and dex) + (100% - strweight%)*dex 12:39:41 <|amethyst> xFleury: so with a str weight of 0, damage bonus is based on (str+dex)/2 and to-hit bonus is based on dex 12:40:00 <|amethyst> xFleury: and with a weight of 100%, damage bonus is based on str and to-hit on (str+dex)/2 12:40:31 <|amethyst> at 50% it's (3*str+dex)/4 and (str+3*dex)/4 12:40:31 -!- pailhoarse has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:40:50 That makes it *alot* clearer. 12:41:01 stevelinton the Sneak (L1 SpAs) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed on turn 0. (D) 12:41:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm, spatial vortex in Jurt's crash 12:42:03 <|amethyst> !lm stevelinton crash -log 12:42:04 No milestones for stevelinton (crash). 12:42:07 <|amethyst> !lm stevelinton sprint crash -log 12:42:07 1. stevelinton, XL1 SpAs, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/stevelinton/crash-stevelinton-20131018-174100.txt 12:43:03 <|amethyst> and stevelinton's is on startup, probably the same as the earlier one 12:43:04 -!- Pedjt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:43:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:51 * xFleury makes a reminder to submit |amethyst's explanation of str-weight to the crawl wiki. 12:48:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:49:13 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 12:53:53 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:56:59 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:57:02 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:07 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 13:01:22 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06:39 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:12:29 |amethyst: Jurt has a lua marker 13:14:09 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:28:15 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:29:10 -!- bisonbisonbison has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:30:24 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33:45 !lg whales2 gree place=d:10 -log 13:33:45 1. whales2, XL11 GrEE, T:12509: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/whales2/morgue-whales2-20131017-212650.txt 13:36:44 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:44 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:31 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:36 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:44 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:52:40 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:02 |amethyst: Looked into that hang a bit, but didn't get anywhere. 13:57:24 |amethyst: The message batching didn't really change crawl process <-> webtiles server communication, other than making crawl process sends "flush_messages" in certain spots. 13:59:19 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:01:53 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:28 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:40 -!- Deckard_Pain has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:12:30 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:16:04 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:46 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-300-ga5d3c69: Revert "Only send the game state to the joining spectator" 10(11 minutes ago, 4 files, 6+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5d3c69d9522 14:27:37 Lunia (L1 TrMo) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 14:28:26 Lunia (L1 TrMo) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (D (Sprint)) 14:28:37 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-301-g8930be4: Fix all uses of apply_area_cloud(), if the origin is solid. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8930be41e64b 14:29:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:32:03 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:33:26 !lm * type=crash -log 14:33:26 5505. Jurt, XL27 DsWz, T:98483 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jurt/crash-Jurt-20131018-173256.txt 14:33:42 !lm * sprint crash -log 14:33:42 377. Lunia, XL1 TrMo, T:0 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Lunia/crash-Lunia-20131018-192825.txt 14:33:57 Zannick: doh, thanks 14:34:05 it's the same though; just fixed it 14:34:30 Mutt the Cutter (L1 KoBe) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed on turn 0. (D) 14:34:49 Mutt the Cutter (L1 KoBe) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed on turn 0. (D) 14:35:03 Mutt the Shield-Bearer (L1 GrFi) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed on turn 0. (D) 14:35:50 ok, ok, Mutt, I get it 14:36:04 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-302-gab4da77: Don't place a cloud when teleporting off a wall (rock worms/maelstroms). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab4da77e8b8d 14:36:10 the abyss bot was sitting on yet another one, though 14:37:17 <3 <3 <3 it, using Xom + the Abyss + random monster selection covers a pretty good chunk of the code; in this case it was casting Dispersal near a rock worm 14:37:29 http://imgur.com/gallery/3j1jA interesting 14:37:44 and with the new reproductible seed thingy, I get a nice test case 14:37:46 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:38:13 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:34 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:06 Bloax: i think one of the biggest things you see wrong in fantasy is that everybody wears plate armour 14:43:17 Haha, yes. 14:43:34 since that's like every character driving around in a brand new jaguar 14:44:03 Plate armour would be the equivalent to crystal plate mail in crawl. 14:44:05 on the other hand, they had really cheap peasants 14:44:17 if a good sword could cost ten villages... 14:44:22 yeah 14:45:51 apparently, the real downfall of the "knights and horses" era of warfare wasn't firearms, but bows 14:46:08 since a bow is dirt cheap, as is the guy firing it 14:46:14 as it were 14:46:42 so you can spend your money fitting out one dude in armour, or 500 peasants with bows they made themselves 14:47:05 Speaking of swords. 14:47:13 Long blades are rather terrible as it is. 14:47:41 Bloax: well, they hit harder than other weapons 14:47:46 and have the best 1h options 14:47:55 do double swords exist 14:48:12 if you follow trog or okawaru or use acq, yes 14:48:14 For all I know you could be running around swinging a great mace before lair thanks to an ogre. 14:48:18 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:23 by 1 damage for 2h, in return for hitting 7 targets or at least reaching 14:49:16 i mean, i'm not saying you couldn't buff them 14:49:26 Bloax: demon blades are dime a dozen, and almost as good as double swords 14:49:27 just that they have upsides 14:49:38 and yeah, i was thinking of scimitars and demon blades 14:49:49 kilobyte: Yes, but are you going to have one by the time you could have a morningstar? 14:50:00 You know, those things orcs have from time to time. 14:50:08 ??scimitar 14:50:09 scimitar[1/1]: A long sword with a curved blade. One-handed Long Blade; Dam 12 Acc -2 Delay 14. 14:50:22 ??morningstar 14:50:23 morningstar[1/1]: A mace-group weapon. Not to be confused with an eveningstar, which is better. Damage: 13, Accuracy: -2, Delay: 15. 14:50:45 so here you go, better and more common 14:50:55 Most of the time you'll be stuck with a falchion for a long, long time. 14:51:07 ??eveningstar 14:51:07 eveningstar[1/1]: The rarest mace, but not a demon whip. One-handed. Dam 15, Acc -1, Delay 15. 14:51:08 ??double sword 14:51:08 Because long swords aren't particularly common either, unlike flails. 14:51:09 double sword[1/2]: A magical weapon with two razor-sharp blades. (one-handed Long Blade; Dam 15, Acc -1, Delay 15). The highest base damage weapon in the game that you can wield with a shield, minimally better than demon blade. (No shield if you're a small race.) 14:51:24 wow, i hadn't realized those were idenitcal 14:51:27 identical* 14:51:57 i did like the "open area attack" concept for long blades 14:52:01 I'm not saying this without a base, really. 14:52:04 as stolen from princessrp of all places 14:52:13 I'd take a dwhip over a dblade, too 14:52:14 I looted lair:8 after some ~2780 turns. 14:52:20 Because I looted a great mace off an ogre. 14:52:47 And those things are really, really good. 14:52:49 ??Great mace 14:52:49 great mace[1/1]: Largest weapon in the maces & flails category that most races can wield. 18 damage, -4 accuracy, 17 delay (two handed) 14:52:55 ??Great sword 14:52:56 great sword[1/2]: A sword with a very long, heavy blade and a long handle. (two-handed Long Blade; Dam 16 Acc -3 Delay 16) 14:53:00 Good luck finding one of these though. 14:53:20 Maybe if you're lucky with Rupert or some wight pack. 14:53:21 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:54:04 also worth noting that my other weapons on the turbo lair:8 looter were a +0 falchion and a +2 falchion of protection 14:54:11 ??falchion 14:54:12 falchion[1/1]: One handed long blade, Dam: 8, Acc +2, Delay 13 14:54:25 scroll acquirement is quite reliable for getting you a triple/bardiche/exec 14:54:41 Which are slightly faster than a great mace, with ten base damage worth of a difference. 14:54:51 i also always wondered why we have the flat 0.7 mindelay for all big weapons 14:54:51 Weapon acquirement is wonderful, yeah. 14:55:01 0.7 is so boring 14:55:06 why not have some weapons stop at 1.0 or whatever 14:55:17 getting a scroll of acq is not reliable itself, of course... but that's nowhere as rare as, say, potions of experience 14:55:43 As I said, it's a rather separate part for itself. 14:56:01 Because well yes, you can get some great stuff from Oka/Trog/Acq, but what about the others? 14:56:14 ontoclasm: I have an idea for a "giant iron-shod maul" or some such. Base delay 30, appropriate damage. 14:56:34 or, say "dark maul" :p 14:56:49 Going long blades is basically writing a little suicide letter because great maces are borderline floor trash and far superior to anything you could find. 14:57:08 Unless grabbing a triple sword off the dungeon floor is a normal occurence. 14:57:14 (I've seen this happen exactly once.) 14:58:34 kilobyte: sounds awesome 14:58:35 training the weapon skill that high suggests you use little magic, and thus typically worship Trog or Oka 14:58:58 if not, you tend to find around 1 scroll of acq per rune 14:59:11 one of my cast-off ideas for weapon properties was that all maces have a mindelay of ~1.5-2.0 14:59:12 n-no 14:59:16 so they're always slow 14:59:20 It's more like one scroll before vaults. 14:59:33 And the rest aren't very important. 15:01:51 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:01:51 -!- tinybat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:01:53 anyway, cheers 15:01:57 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:04:38 Also, there's another disadvantage of going long blades against maces. 15:04:41 ??Falchion 15:04:42 falchion[1/1]: One handed long blade, Dam: 8, Acc +2, Delay 13 15:04:43 ??Mace 15:04:43 mace[1/1]: A long handle with a heavy lump on the end. (one-handed mace; Dmg 8 Acc +3 Delay 14) 15:04:55 Your starting mace is more accurate than your starting sword. 15:07:28 the sword is faster, though 15:08:18 if you start with the mace/sword, you already have a couple points in the relevant skill, which means you hit most of the time 15:09:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:01 Vampiric brand on an axe feels uncannily overpowered. 15:14:08 At least in the early game. 15:14:38 s/ on an axe// 15:15:07 On a sword or club, you get regen once on each hit. 15:15:15 With an axe, you get regen on every single monster hit by the axe. 15:15:37 This is extremely effective if you have a bunch of harmless monsters while fighting tougher foes. 15:15:54 Yah, like the TRJ. I could have done this lair first. 15:15:58 (vamp only triggers on 3/5 of hits, actually) 15:15:59 (it's still really good on any weapon that does damage) 15:16:21 there are two parts here: 1. axes are ridiculously overpowered, 2. the brand is ridiculously overpowered. 15:17:03 the brand was nerfed in 0.13 but I'd agree it could use more nerfing, yes 15:17:44 Axes are soo good, that even though my Gargoyle grayed out that choice, I'm using an Axe. 15:18:00 I'd put more stress on axes, especially with all the new corridor-less layouts we got in 0.13 15:18:47 some good players think axes are actually weak now; I tend to think they are a bit on the powerful side, but not absurdly so :P 15:18:58 They are great for speedrunning. 15:19:30 What do those players see in Clubs/Swords? 15:19:38 nobody sees anything in "clubs" 15:19:45 Glad we have that common-ground. 15:19:47 But Swords? 15:19:50 maces, though... 15:20:01 "swords" is also not a weapon category in crawl 15:20:04 Maces get you through the early game. 15:20:22 And are likely to be your most powerful weapon even past that. 15:20:33 maces and long blades both have more efficient stats if you don't care about cleave 15:21:19 assuming the enchantment+slaying is equal to monster to AC (ie, you use an underenchanted artefact or have no slaying), for a triple sword to be better than exec axe, you would need to fight in a corridor more than 18/19 of the time 15:21:51 fight in a corridor or fight only one monster you care about at a time 15:21:54 The times I see a web-tiles player fighting a monster 1-on-1 is rare. Seems Pandemonium Lords are one of the few occasions where that actually occurs. 15:23:05 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:23:08 kilobyte: I think the idea is that in a lot of fights with groups of monsters, you only really care about killing one monster as quickly as possible, the other stuff is harmless 15:23:24 even so I agree with you that cleave is good, but it's not *quite* as simple a choice as you are making it sound 15:23:59 I don't think we have that much popcorn in the late game left 15:24:05 note also that triple sword requires only 24 skill vs 26 for exec axe, which can be sort of significant if you don't have absurd apts 15:25:56 I'm thinking more about situations where you are adjacent to one ogre and one ogre mage in midgame... you are unlikely to care much about killing the ogre quickly, just about killing the ogre mage as quickly as possible 15:26:41 so although cleave is technically doing a lot of extra damage, it isn't as significant as it would be if you were fighting two dangerous monsters at the same time 15:27:07 (usually you should try to avoid fighting two dangerous monsters at the same time if possible) 15:27:20 It also has another disadvantage. 15:27:25 It can kill your hellfire shield. 15:27:26 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:40 (A monster that isn't rHellfire that hellfire-throwing demons respect.) 15:28:32 or arrow shield, or whatever 15:29:09 Axes are however, good with Chei or anything that gives you health for kills. 15:29:31 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:38:19 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:40:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:41:53 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:33 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: ophanim] 15:42:44 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:45:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:48:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:57:31 Is AC: 65 the maximum it can go? 15:57:49 !lg * max=ac x=ac 15:57:51 2638783. [ac=97] ophanim the Invulnerable (L27 GrFi), worshipper of Jiyva, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-10-06 16:59:01, with 1979406 points after 94782 turns and 3:19:55. 15:58:05 I have two shields, one that is -1, and one that is +2. 15:58:10 Equipped either or makes no difference to my AC. 15:58:23 which.... is correct 15:58:24 i don't think they ever do 15:58:26 shield enchantment has nothing to do with AC 15:58:37 (amazingly, it affects your SH instead) 15:58:41 protection branded shields do, otherwise shields have nothing to do with AC at all 15:59:00 (if you think this means using enchant scrolls on shields is bad, you're right!) 16:09:32 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:16 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21:07 -!- giantbat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:15 -!- C7ty has quit [] 16:25:45 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:45 ??great mace 16:27:46 great mace[1/1]: Largest weapon in the maces & flails category that most races can wield. 18 damage, -4 accuracy, 17 delay (two handed) 16:29:27 what stats should that dark maul have? With delay 30, -2 acc, 43-44 damage and +6 enchantment it roughly matches a +9 great mace (both crushing). 16:29:45 yet not being to respond mid-swing is another downside 16:29:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:42 (repeating for ontoclasm): 16:30:45 what stats should that dark maul have? With delay 30, -2 acc, 43-44 damage and +6 enchantment it roughly matches a +9 great mace (both crushing). 16:30:48 yet not being to respond mid-swing is another downside 16:31:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:54 hm 16:32:03 what would its mindelay be? 16:32:07 uhhh 16:32:09 one upside is that the monster often won't survive until the next blow, while with a regular great mace it would get to act, but that's quite minor 16:32:09 16.5 16:32:43 i think that sounds about right 16:32:58 is this going to be an unrand or a full weapon type? 16:33:13 also, is it only for large races? 16:33:18 unrand for now, it's way too weird for something regular 16:33:36 I'm thinking something for everyone, but it would need some explanation 16:34:28 like, that it's not very heavy but extremely unwieldy 16:35:27 or that, being made for driving bridge stakes, it's balanced for massive blows without regards for you being able to lift it again 16:35:46 well, or that it's extremely heavy but not that large 16:36:07 i.e. the reason a str 30 human can't use a gsc, when a str 9 ogre can 16:36:18 is that the gsc is just too big for the human's hands to hold 16:36:21 maybe it could take up the glove slot as well 16:36:27 it needs power gloves to wield 16:38:01 <|amethyst> can we give it a 200% str weighting? :) 16:38:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:38:27 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:34 oh right, hand size gives a good excuse for gsc being ogre-only but the maul being fit for humans 16:38:48 "Warning: monster 'it' is not yet fully coded. x4" lol 16:38:57 ??it[$] 16:38:58 it[30/30]: Warning: monster 'it' is not yet fully coded. 16:39:00 <|amethyst> xFleury: what version? 16:39:05 xFleury: well, that's what you get for using obsolete versions :p 16:39:06 <|amethyst> 0.13.0 still? 16:39:14 |amethyst: Same as earlier today. 0.13.0 from the public tar.zip on site 16:39:21 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:39:25 <|amethyst> xFleury: that bug has been fixed 16:39:31 alright 16:39:34 I won't post it again :P 16:39:34 <|amethyst> maybe we should post nightlies of stable 16:40:02 <|amethyst> automatically increment the third version component every day there is a commit to stable :) 16:40:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:59 it's not like we use that part much at all 16:49:48 bug report: manuals show up as red under trog 16:49:55 despite the fact he's fine with them 16:50:37 can you still burn them? 16:50:43 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: what version? 16:50:53 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: only manuals of spellcasting skills should be red 16:51:35 <|amethyst> s/spellcasting/magic/ 16:52:02 ah 16:52:09 that's true, it's a manual of earth magic 16:52:23 bug report withdrawn 16:56:31 ontoclasm: do you think anyone would use that maul if it's worse than a mundane weapon? 16:57:02 making the stats higher is easy, knowing when to stop is not 16:57:18 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:58:09 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 16:59:35 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:18 kilobyte: well, being worse than a +9 great mace isn't saying much 17:02:45 there are plenty of randarts that you might use for a while, then replace with something later 17:03:19 * xFleury wishes Phase Shift had a "Phase" blue-text status. 17:03:36 it colors your ev blue 17:04:01 Yah, but when you've got a bunch of modifiers up already, it confuses at least me. 17:05:35 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: right, but this is a randart that demands high skill to counteract the delay 17:06:19 <|amethyst> s/randart/unrand/ 17:06:39 mm 17:06:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:07:06 well i mean 17:07:13 you can always put it in and see if people like it 17:07:35 crate or somebody will complain if it's too powerful 17:09:48 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:11 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:55 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:47 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:14 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 17:27:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:49 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:28:09 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:19 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-303-gd11fbc0: A new unrand: "dark maul". 2h mace, usable by humans, a swing takes a week. 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 29+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11fbc0dba9d 17:35:35 I'm afraid someone needs to translate this desc from Doofusese to English. 17:35:37 2-hour mace, swinging takes 1 week 17:35:50 Zannick: <3 17:35:59 * xFleury is really curious how the decision to add giant toe monsters to Zot came to be. 17:36:11 "guyz guyz, you know what would be sweeeeeet, toezZ!!! in the ZOT!!" 17:36:26 doofusese? 17:36:38 xFleury: well, medieval christians had quite a fetish for saints' body parts... 17:36:40 kilobyte: you mean proofread or rewrite? 17:36:49 curse toe (08z) | Spd: 7 (act: 70%) | HD: 14 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 25/1 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4087 | Sp: torment symbol, mushrooms | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 17:36:49 %??curse toe 17:36:54 Zannick: preferably "burn before reading" 17:39:38 Warning: monster 'ancient bear' is not yet fully coded. x2 17:39:42 air magic conflict earth magic not ice magic right? 17:39:56 this is in a silly encompass vault 17:40:38 Somebody (L27 GrFi) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 567 failed. (Abyss:1) 17:40:42 (hangedman_pleasuredromes) 17:41:05 <|amethyst> elliptic: wad_woods_* in lair can place them too 17:41:16 ancient bear (08U) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 87-124 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 38, 18, 18 | !sil | Res: 06magic(56), 05fire | XP: 1484 | Sp: 04esc:berserker rage | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 17:41:16 <|amethyst> %??ancient bear 17:41:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:56 <|amethyst> do ancient bears do anything different from other bears? 17:41:59 <|amethyst> other than being bigger? 17:42:12 <|amethyst> if not, I don't see a reason to mark them unfinished in 0.13 17:43:12 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 17:43:13 -!- Senjai is now known as Senjai`home 17:43:14 <|amethyst> M_NO_GEN_DERIVED maybe, just so people don't see a lot of "ancient bear zombies" without seeing a single "ancient bear" 17:44:26 there are a lot of monsters that could stand to have zombies disabled in that case 17:44:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:44:51 <|amethyst> elliptic: well, "ancient bear zombie" has the grammatical ambiguity too 17:45:07 <|amethyst> elliptic: someone was asking in ##crawl a few days ago what it meant for a zombie to be "ancient" 17:45:13 ah 17:45:13 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:45:21 <|amethyst> because they had never seen an ancient bear 17:45:43 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:27 0.13 has 3275460c/3df9ff14, so I think it's ok now. 17:48:38 %git 3df9ff14f9c81ed202662467a66a14c044de8114 17:48:38 07|amethyst02 * 0.13.0-7-g3df9ff1: Don't randomly generate unfinished derived undead. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3df9ff14f9c8 17:48:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 17:49:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:52:11 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [] 17:53:12 <|amethyst> no, these aren't zombies 17:54:24 <|amethyst> lair_wad_woods_monsters in branches/lair.des and the third MONS: line in hangedman_pleasuredromes explicitly specify (live) ancient bears 17:55:54 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:16 <|amethyst> the former can have a dryad or treant too 17:58:24 A zombie of an ancient bear (as opposed to an ancient zombie of a bear) comes into view. 17:58:50 lair_wad_woods_monsters() uses only porcupines in the Lair 17:58:51 <|amethyst> (comes-into-view (zombie (ancient-bear))) 17:59:16 <|amethyst> oh, duh 17:59:28 <|amethyst> I was grepping but missed the "Forest" check 18:00:06 A zombie ancient bear 18:00:20 zombie human 18:01:16 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-13-g27bfa31: Drop ancient bears from a vault. 10(68 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=27bfa31f6b43 18:01:36 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:59 !learn add hangedman_pleasuredromes for fuck's sakes the point of the arbitrary contents is that D can already have ridiculous things from other branches via vaults and D itself has arbitrary things near the bottom like tentacled monstrosities and dancing weapons stop complaining about the set already [author's statement] 18:03:00 hangedman pleasuredromes[1/1]: for fuck's sakes the point of the arbitrary contents is that D can already have ridiculous things from other branches via vaults and D itself has arbitrary things near the bottom like tentacled monstrosities and dancing weapons stop complaining about the set already [author's statement] 18:03:20 ... 18:03:34 <|amethyst> tenofswords: this is purely an 0.13 thing 18:03:36 being mere bags of stats and hp, they're fit for being zombies, but with the ambigousness you pointed out, it might indeed be better to stop their zombies 18:03:44 no that was for the word "silly" 18:04:18 I've been waiting for ages if anybody would actually just grep the .des for vaults still using forest monsters 18:04:31 arbitrary bear zombies 18:04:54 abstract bear zombies 18:04:57 warrior bear zombies 18:05:05 bear warrior zombies 18:05:12 no it was for the spawning in aforementioned vault oh whatever 18:07:13 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: If the live ones spawned randomly that wouldn't be a problem since people would learn the name ("deep troll zombie" has the same ambiguity) 18:07:58 well, "deep zombie" has no obvious meaning, "ancient zombie" does 18:08:30 foo draconian skeleton 18:08:52 (black draconian skeletons still fly and grey draconian zombies still hit hard but) 18:10:13 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 18:10:23 <|amethyst> very ugly (thing zombie) 18:11:18 <|amethyst> moth of (wrath zombie) 18:11:37 mermaid zombie v siren zombie 18:11:42 red (wasp zombie) 18:11:49 killer (bee zombie) 18:12:10 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:12:17 five-headed (hydra skeleton) 18:12:28 grey rat v regular rat skeletons 18:12:41 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-304-g1acac85: Translate a quote's book name; add the original to .pl. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1acac85201f5 18:12:44 Zannick: where's the ambiguity in the last one? 18:12:54 queen bee zombie. is it a zombie of a queen bee, or a bee zombie that happens to be queen? 18:13:06 kilobyte: those three are all somewhat nonambiguous :P 18:13:23 jumping spider zombie v a bunch of other spider zombies 18:13:25 <|amethyst> tenofswords: I figured "grey rat" was a separate species, not just a different colour but bigger, etc 18:13:41 stone giant skeleton 18:13:51 the tiniest of differences 18:13:56 jumping spider zombies don't jump 18:14:47 death (yak zombie) 18:15:19 this is a fun game, we should play it more 18:16:46 I wonder if hell hogs are changed enough that their skeletons can be distinguished from hogs 18:17:19 flaming (zombie skeleton) 18:17:22 wait. 18:18:33 feature request possessed ashes as a fire-themed undead derivation to mirror simulacrum 18:19:50 tenofswords: you'd make an ash of yourself 18:20:14 kilobyte: you'd have to be a felid 18:20:19 and nobody plays felid 18:20:25 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:20:33 <|amethyst> !lg kilobyte / felid 18:20:34 158/10176 games for kilobyte: N=158/10176 (1.55%) 18:20:39 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 18:20:43 <|amethyst> not even their creator 18:21:30 <|amethyst> and when you destroy them they could give you an ash curse 18:22:59 http://xkcd.com/37/ 18:25:21 !lg * win fepa 18:25:21 1. KiloByte the Eviscerator (L27 FePa), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-02-21 12:35:08, with 1311626 points after 167011 turns and 17:42:01. 18:27:18 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:51 we need to bring back paladins just so fepa can be a thing again 18:34:29 and let players better than me steal this high score from me? Uh nuh :p 18:34:57 i want my mipa high score back :P 18:35:13 fepa unique 18:35:28 !lg * win mipa s=name 18:35:29 17 games for * (win mipa): 3x jokeserver, 2x MadDasher, 2x Tenaya, itsmu, Mayhem, eternal, Weasel, pointless, Ozymandias, Karkadann, Augustus, jarmok, ac13 18:36:05 it was stolen from me shortly before pa disappeared from the servers 18:36:33 (along with the pa high score which was not mine anyway) 18:36:40 !hs * pa 18:36:40 24250. Tenaya the Minotaur Porcupine (L27 MiPa), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2011-07-15 16:18:37, with 13752480 points after 113600 turns and 13:32:21. 18:36:52 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:16 heheh 18:37:28 ontoclasm: I think you'll like this. 18:37:48 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38:21 -!- trckry has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:39:26 learn add famous_last_words 18:40:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:44:50 Bloaxor: > 18:44:51 ? 18:45:15 just a second 18:45:32 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:21 -!- gnsh has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:46:45 no, now :C 18:48:33 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:48:36 ugh 18:49:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/cpa.png 18:49:34 have at you 18:51:53 Colors are being an absolute bitch in the artifact one, so I can't really add it. 18:53:34 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 18:53:44 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/cpa.gif 18:55:16 also why does monk start with stealth 18:55:33 Bloaxor: it would be too good if you gave it only UC and dodging 18:56:30 it has enough unarmed but a bit more dodging would be cool 18:57:30 obviously should start with a level of invo 18:57:43 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 18:58:47 that's another good idea 19:03:16 -!- Jebus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:05:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:06:35 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:47 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:14:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:00 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:08 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:55 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:24:49 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:38:08 https://angband.pl/tmp/dajmiech.png 19:38:23 one for the unrand should be probably iron-shod, though 19:39:13 Bloaxor: tiles needed: "dark maul", both inv and wielded 19:39:35 so basically comically huge hammer 19:39:49 yes 19:39:51 * Grunt ponders what he did with his buckler of the Cloverleaf. 19:40:24 Kilobyte: Metal or not? 19:40:35 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:41:12 realism wise, you would be unable to carry a solid metal one 19:41:34 the description says "iron-shod", but it can be changed to whatever would be easiest to draw 19:41:46 Well I'm thinking of some weird material for the handle, and some huge metal head. 19:42:02 would be ok 19:42:17 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080407153916/diablo/images/3/39/Maul.gif 19:42:18 a tile can't show too fine details anyway 19:42:19 something like this 19:42:22 except more like http://www.d2tomb.com/images/items/greatmaul.gif 19:42:38 -!- Nyohoho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:14 a mix of the two would be nice 19:43:39 I hate that brick with a handle, but the second one has no metal save for braces 19:45:47 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:46:17 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:46 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 19:49:35 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:59:44 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:36 -!- Mateji has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:01:09 -!- oneof3steves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:03:29 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Goodbye, see you next time :(] 20:05:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:06:35 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:06:37 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 20:07:37 kilobyte: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/badmaul.png 20:08:48 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:47 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:10:21 -!- Helmschank_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:32 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:11:48 these proportions are quite ridiculous 20:12:01 but then, it's hard to show relative sizes to other tiles 20:12:17 Ridiculous proportions for a comically oversized weapon sounds about right >_> 20:12:28 right 20:13:32 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:58 well, the all-wooden version on https://angband.pl/tmp/dajmiech.png looks realistic, even if it had some metal reinforcements 20:14:15 so it's not "oversized" -- or rather, oversized for an useful weapon but not an useful tool 20:14:42 hm 20:15:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:33 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:46 Bloaxor: I mean, Grunt is right, within limits Crawl's tiles impose this should be good 20:16:00 Maybe the head should be green. 20:16:13 because it would look identical to other weapons 20:18:14 a good part of our weapons have itentionally wrong proportions, so there's no other easy way to show something extreme 20:18:47 Bloaxor: ah, because most floors are dark, right? 20:19:00 More like because it looks far cooler that way. 20:19:05 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:19:08 the current name is "dark maul" but this can change 20:19:18 Uranium Maul 20:19:25 heh 20:19:31 titanium maul 20:19:51 plutonium maul 20:19:58 We already have a plutonium weapon :b 20:19:59 depleted uranium to explain its extreme weight with a small size 20:20:12 guess it's uranium then 20:20:16 Grunt: this maul has no Contam nor does mutate others 20:20:34 titanium, on the other hand, is far lighter than iron 20:20:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:52 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 20:21:28 -!- blabber_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:21:30 fr: depleted uranium bolts. 20:21:35 Intrinsic penetration brand. 20:21:42 Can only be fired from a special launcher <_< 20:22:07 The Miniballista 20:22:56 More than a few people have suggested we add in siege crossbows wieldable only by large races, and I say if we do we add in the Piecemaker as an unrand <_< 20:23:08 that proposed javelin-firing ogre/troll/dwant-only "hand ballista" 20:23:17 right, with an unrand named Piecemaker 20:23:39 (Or perhaps we need *just* the unrand?) 20:24:08 and the clockworkdemon has one built in, with explosive bolts 20:25:12 a ranged weapon with a different ammo type far exceeds what can be sanely done with just art props, but it's easy to add a base item that doesn't spawn 20:25:57 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/badmaul2.png 20:26:11 Sometime I'd be amused to have Hellfire fire hellfire bolts. 20:26:19 Or at least have an exploding brand. 20:29:25 hellfire is a big deal more powerful than fire, but it can be balanced by tweaking the crossbow's stats 20:29:51 or the brand's multiplier 20:29:57 just make it a hellfire shotgun 20:30:08 utterly devastating but highly unreliable 20:30:34 ??hellfire[3 20:30:34 hellfire[3/4]: Also an unrandart +6, +9 crossbow (flame, rF++, rC-, MR) 20:30:52 if it should even deserve the name 20:31:02 the +6,+0 crossbow "Hellfire" {hellfire, rF++, rC-, MR+}. 20:31:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:14 (the last bit is just reflective of the change in MR display) 20:31:18 it should be a -6,+20 crossbow 20:31:37 Bloaxor: hellfire ignores AC 20:31:58 (and EV too, but on a crossbow it's easy to skip this) 20:33:26 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 20:34:44 the +20,+20 crossbow "Hellfire" {fire, rF++, rC-, MR+, range-} 20:35:05 now with extra range-5 because the bolts melt so fast 20:35:32 -!- Heinrich has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:35:50 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:35:59 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:19 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:25 -!- Rebenga has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:35 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:38:40 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:04 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:21 -!- fungee has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:48:39 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:56:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:59:46 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 21:00:50 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: tinybat] 21:07:51 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:12:15 -!- Froggeryz has quit [] 21:13:23 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/13/oct/URRblocks.png damn 21:16:43 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-305-g056651f: Dark maul tiles (Bloax) 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=056651fa57a2 21:16:45 wuzzdat? 21:16:45 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:45 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/18/interview-ultima-ratio-regum-a-generated-4x-roguelike/#more-173200 21:22:27 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:55 what's the nutrition value of 14.608 strawberries to herbivore 3 21:23:55 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:28:42 kilobyte: https://angband.pl/tmp/dajmiech.png 21:28:42 er 21:28:50 kilobyte: http://sprunge.us/YVVe 21:28:56 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:00 (how did I manage to paste something you originally pasted) 21:33:55 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:09 |amethyst: is e-mail the best way to reach you if an outage occurs? 21:34:24 s/outage/outrage/ 21:34:24 <_< 21:35:16 outgrabe? 21:35:29 (Oh frabjous day!) 21:35:52 mome (w)raths? 21:37:36 <|amethyst> bh: for the next few days at least, it's probably what I will see first 21:37:46 <|amethyst> bh: doesn't mean I'll have time to do anything 21:37:52 <|amethyst> bh: would you like an account? 21:38:05 |amethyst: if you want to provide me with a 'restart webtiles' script, sure 21:38:19 <|amethyst> bh: you'd have enough permissions to sudo /etc/init.d/webtiles restart 21:38:27 sounds good to me 21:39:13 -!- dead_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:39:14 <|amethyst> bh: what username do you prefer? And where's your ssh pubkey? 21:39:24 bh 21:39:31 e-mailed it 21:41:14 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-305-g056651f 21:43:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:45:52 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 21:46:37 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:49:43 ??is_cszo_down 21:49:43 is cszo down[1/2]: Not as far as we know 21:49:47 ??is_cszo_down[2 21:49:47 is cszo down[2/2]: If you have DNS problems try crawl.dobrazupa.org (webtiles + ssh). If you have too much lag try the other two IPs: dobrazupa.org and admin.dobrazupa.org (ssh only). 21:50:55 so theres a weird bug or two regarding aboms and yred recall 21:51:21 its a little scattered in ##crawl if anyones interested, but to sum it up... 21:51:55 1. twisted ressurection abominations arent recalled with yred recall. i dont know if yred recall is supposed to allow any permanent undead allies or just only gifted allies to be recalled 21:52:02 hm 21:52:03 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/AzureFiend.png 21:52:07 how's this? 21:52:27 the hard border might look off when it's on the map 21:52:49 2. enslaving a spectral deep elf death mage means you get twisted resurrection from him instead, but using yred recall with these aboms will actually work which is inconsistent with twisted resurrection aboms 21:53:49 3. the weird thing is you can have aboms vanishing on you. if you take stairs when there are spectral elf-made abominations on a level, they actually vanish unless they were next to you when you take stairs. you cant recall the ones left behind, and going downstairs shows they are gone completely 21:53:51 probably only gifted allies 21:54:28 does the enslaved soul summon lost souls 21:54:46 one way to do this is to get spectral elf-made abominations, do something like tw or just move faster than the aboms, take stairs, take the same stairs again and theyre gone. you cant recall the aboms, theyre no longer considered in the game i guess? 21:54:47 fr: The lost soul sacrifices itself to reknit you! 21:55:06 but if you take stairs with spectral elf-made abominations, theyre made "permanent", and you can actually interlevel recall those via yred 21:55:37 bh: For some reason it seems like the details in the background tiles actually mask the borders. 21:56:18 Bloaxor: do we support animated monster tiles? It looks great, but it would probably look incredible if the aura was animated :D 21:56:42 Killer Klowns are technically animated. 21:56:57 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:00 a close animation style would be that of the vortexes 21:57:55 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:58:15 I don't like _that_ much luster if only because the contrasting art styles across crawl becomes a bigger gap with extreme examples 21:58:19 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 21:58:29 but it is a cool tile in and of itself 21:59:16 Well the biggest problem isn't so much the art styles as it is the remaining rltiles. 21:59:21 heh 21:59:37 but don't you like faceless shirtless naga?? 21:59:47 <|amethyst> we do support timed animation for features, but probably not monsters 21:59:50 <|amethyst> in webtiles anyway 22:00:08 <|amethyst> they're off by default 22:00:14 whoever removed shirtless lamia is a monster, or something 22:00:20 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:50 it's not like naga mages couldn't get a gender bend 22:01:17 female naga fighters, male naga mages? smash the patriarchy? 22:02:45 |amethyst: no idea about webtiles, but at least in local tiles they work fine 22:02:49 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:22 bh: so, there's no reason to keep Lamia anymore then, right? 22:03:24 What exact features are we talking about? 22:04:03 bhi also wanted to make naga have a different skin tone 22:04:10 as in, to match lamia's 22:04:11 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:26 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, I hadn't realised they were implemented there 22:04:34 currently crawl has exactly 1 non-white person in it 22:04:38 i.e. lamia 22:05:55 ontoclasm: we have every manner of race of draconian ;) 22:06:37 do trolls not count or something 22:06:49 they're pretty green/gray/blue imo 22:07:25 trolls aren't people, silly 22:08:23 ontoclasm: quite a few people say that :p 22:08:28 ontoclasm: If you want a suggestion, Quakeguy/Ranger's skin color here: http://24.media.tumblr.com/cbcea78e43b34a09b21a29715b50d1d9/tumblr_msjb1uT4qe1syxgg9o1_1280.png could be an idea. 22:08:43 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:08:45 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:09:09 yeah that's pretty much what lamia has 22:09:19 It's a bit darker and more saturated. 22:09:27 While this is more pale brown. 22:10:42 Blue Trolls are the best. They're cookie monster, essentially 22:14:14 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:04 Speaking of blue: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/AzureFiend.gif 22:20:05 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:23:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:24:12 -!- nonethousand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:24:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:00 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:29 ??azure fiend 22:26:30 I don't have a page labeled azure_fiend in my learndb. 22:26:58 !learn add azure_fiend see {azure_jelly} 22:26:59 azure fiend[1/1]: see {azure_jelly} 22:27:02 ??azure_fiend 22:27:03 azure jelly[1/1]: Fast moving jelly that hits very hard with multiple cold damage attacks. Frail characters need cold resistance and must avoid melee contact. Azure jellies are vulnerable to fire, and are in fact only rC+. 22:27:16 why 22:27:23 azure jelly (12J) | Spd: 11 | HD: 15 | HP: 61-101 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 04eats items, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 1775 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 22:27:23 %??Azure jelly 22:27:25 Ice Fiend (161) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-121 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2512(cold:18-53), 2512(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2892 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), torment symbol | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:27:25 %??Ice fiend 22:27:40 Check out that AC piercing damage. 22:28:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:33 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:38:22 but if the animation is of any interest 22:38:27 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/AzureFiend1.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/AzureFiend2.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/AzureFiend3.png 22:39:54 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:40:43 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:40:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:28 -!- read_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42:52 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 22:43:07 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:46:24 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.0-13-g27bfa31 22:46:39 Bloaxor: I really like it 22:46:52 tanks m8 22:47:19 Ice caves could also use being.. Cooler. 22:47:32 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 22:49:35 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 22:53:12 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:03 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:08:03 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:10:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12:13 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:59 So, would it be possible for Lugonu's Bend Space to have a different message than one of the ones for being hit with a distortion weapon 23:14:25 It's a little awkward to have force more set for the second one, then also getting --more-- every time you use the first 23:19:02 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 23:21:32 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:38 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:35 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:37:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:10 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:41:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:09 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:45:00 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-305-g056651f (34) 23:46:51 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:51:47 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 23:53:22 Jorgrun mysteriously retreating by rchandra