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[Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:19:15 !tell |amethyst when you get a chance, can you put /home/tourney/dcss_tourney/html.tourney0.13/ up at dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.13/ ? 02:19:16 elliptic: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 02:20:43 !tell |amethyst also, could you update the symlink at /home/tourney/dcss_tourney/rcfiles-cszo to the 0.13 directory? either I don't have permissions or I don't know where the directory is 02:20:44 elliptic: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 02:26:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:55 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:31:41 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:37:56 -!- ground4 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39:22 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:54 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:23 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:07:52 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:14:16 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:34 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection 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check which tiles are not included in the textures." 10(31 minutes ago, 3 files, 1+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2268ef7e2942 04:52:26 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:59:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:09 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:06:20 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:39 -!- bogabada has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:22:28 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:23:40 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:14 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:26:45 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:33:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:03:27 -!- thened has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:08:46 -!- thened_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:33 Cherry-picked 8 commits into stone_soup-0.13 06:22:04 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:26 -!- JaGGedTK has 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Use !messages to read it. 10:55:53 !messages 10:55:54 (1/1) ontoclasm said (14h 22m 59s ago): yep, thanks! 11:03:56 -!- Eldarby has quit [Quit: rebooting now] 11:05:57 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:09 -!- cj_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:11:46 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:35 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:18:48 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 23.0/20130807024356]] 11:28:18 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:58 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:45:55 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:46:01 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49:21 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:25 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:58:37 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:16 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:01:41 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:06:44 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-b1-41-gf166b9b 12:07:25 -!- faze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:08 -!- Stupendous has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:12:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:18:21 -!- FilthyParrot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:18:42 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18:58 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:21:59 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-215-g41d041d (34) 12:23:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:50 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 12:30:10 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:13 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:34:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 12:36:34 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:23 -!- _hayuto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:53:23 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:54:25 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:59:47 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:09 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:11 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:21 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:41 -!- arcline has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:17:04 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:17:49 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Don't push the red button!] 13:18:18 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:27 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:19:39 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:22:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:19 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:29:52 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:33:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:41 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:14 <|amethyst> elliptic: done... you should have had permissions for both 13:38:35 <|amethyst> elliptic: the /tournament/ URL maps to ~tourney/html/ 13:39:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: and the rcfiles-cszo link just had to be updated to /var/www/rcfiles/crawl-0.13/ 13:40:17 |amethyst: did you actually try updating the symlink as his user 13:40:25 <|amethyst> elliptic: however, if you tried ln -sf /var/www/rcfiles/crawl-0.13/ rcfiles-cszo without removing the old link first, it would have tried to put the link at rcfiles-cszo/crawl-0.13 (i.e. inside the crawl-0.13 directory) instead of replacing the link, which would have give you permission errors; perhaps that's what you saw? 13:41:05 that certainly sounds likely 13:41:40 <|amethyst> err, inside the crawl-0.12 directory, rather 13:41:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: the lugonu banner image seems to be missing 13:41:49 oh right, thanks! 13:42:01 yeah, I need to go make a new one 13:42:17 which shouldn't be hard with Wensley's banner factory 13:42:43 |amethyst: do you know what the status is for getting 0.13 on CDO and RHF? 13:43:35 -!- Assbag has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:58 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:44:30 I forget who runs RHF 13:45:14 but it would be nice to get it to spread out the euro tourney load... CDO less important because no webtiles 13:46:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:44 joosa's in chanel I think? 13:47:17 <|amethyst> joosa 13:47:37 <|amethyst> I have a CDO account now, but I doubt I have the appropriate permissions, and I don't know my way around very well 13:48:18 yes, joosa is tres chic 13:49:44 -!- Aisfluoc has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:48 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:07 -!- Zeph has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:08 -!- darktwinge has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:56 -!- cj_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:03 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:01:00 -!- Aisfluoc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:01:08 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:48 -!- ToneDog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:11:05 -!- crate__ is now known as crate 14:13:15 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14:16 -!- pissmop has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:02 -!- pissmop has quit [Client Quit] 14:17:09 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:45 you know, we should perhaps make our byte-swapping macros use the appropriate GCC builtins 14:19:17 do you know portable ones? 14:19:24 * kilobyte mutters something about MSVC. 14:19:33 I meant conditionally 14:21:07 (do we have an XBOX build anyway?) 14:21:34 (the only big-endian systems that 14:21:44 I'm aware of MSVC targetting are xboxes) 14:22:50 also how come we only define htole{32,64} and not le{32,64}toh ... 14:23:04 * SamB has to go now ... 14:23:19 uhm well, you see... 14:23:35 <|amethyst> not many middle-endian systems still around 14:23:54 even on middle-endian htole and letoh are identical 14:24:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:37 <|amethyst> true, since those are usually 3412 or 2143 14:25:15 <|amethyst> it wouldn't be identical on a 2341 system but those don't exist 14:25:53 I don't exactly see anyone making a new weird endianness system these days 14:26:06 even big endian is dying rather fast 14:32:45 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:36:40 -!- duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36:51 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:51 -!- Rebenga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:38:24 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:53 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:14 -!- axujen has quit [Quit: Gotta Go Fast] 14:52:55 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:41 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:56:31 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:57:01 -!- valtern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:29 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:06:04 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:54 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:08 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:10:12 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:18 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:18:45 -!- sfiojsof is now known as Zifmia 15:20:10 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:32 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:03 -!- duralumin_ is now known as duralumin 15:27:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:29:27 hrm, is there a way to obtain a ring of protection from & o in wiz mode? 15:29:37 It always wants to give me protection from fire 15:29:46 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 15:31:01 seems it works if I do & % and type the name exactly 15:31:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: "+0 ring of prot" (it will ignore the plusses you specify though), or use &% instead 15:31:35 |amethyst: interesting that the +0 bit even works, since that's also ambiguous, but yeah thanks 15:31:41 oh nm 15:31:44 <|amethyst> it just so happens that "+0" by itself gives you ring of protection :) 15:31:47 can't have enchanted rings of fire 15:31:48 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:53 *protection from fire 15:32:04 is ring of fire resistance such a bad name? 15:32:40 of course, then it'd have the exact same ambiguity problem with ring of fire 15:33:03 <|amethyst> the wizmode name matching could use some improvement :) 15:33:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:56 fr: make "& o protection$" work 15:34:13 <|amethyst> probably it should sort multiple matches by length (shortest first) rather than by enum order 15:34:29 <|amethyst> I *think* it distinguishes exact from inexact 15:34:43 <|amethyst> it's just that 'exact' is the whole item name, not just the subtype 15:36:16 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:39:14 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:17 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 15:40:36 last wizmode question, how do I set racial attributes in wiz mode for e.g. armour? 15:40:43 to make elven boots 15:40:49 probably should just use &% 15:41:14 <|amethyst> other than using &% you'd have to tweak the flags 15:41:26 <|amethyst> which you have to do by hand 15:41:48 <|amethyst> I mean, looking up the bit for "elven" and orring it in manually 15:42:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:28 <|amethyst> (elven is 0x04000000, dwarven 0x02000000, and orcish 0x1000000) 15:42:37 <|amethyst> with &t that is 15:42:57 you got those values just by looking at the enum ordering? 15:43:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ordering and values 15:43:24 <|amethyst> since it's a bitmask, all the values are explicitly specified 15:43:29 <|amethyst> look for ISFLAG_ELVEN in enum.h 15:43:33 |amethyst: thanks 15:45:37 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:39 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:49:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:53 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:01:44 -!- Nightbeer is now known as Ladykiller69 16:04:10 -!- Gotham has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04:26 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:11:41 -!- Stupendous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:01 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:18:39 -!- indspenc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:59 -!- Aarinfel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:21:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:27:34 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:27:37 -!- Zermako2 is now known as Zermako 16:31:57 -!- pi31415_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:49 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:50 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:50 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:50 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:50 -!- Erppo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:51 -!- shmup has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:51 -!- pi31415 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:52 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:52 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:52 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:53 -!- Rjs has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:05 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:21 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:39:00 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:47:40 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:11 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:41 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:55:27 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:58 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:54 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:03:01 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:03:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:03:54 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 17:05:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:17 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10:14 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:10:45 -!- Gotham has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:11:40 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:19 -!- cj_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:20:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:27:00 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:11 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:32 -!- Pisano2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:30:15 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:54 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:45 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now] 17:39:12 -!- Alumjha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:44 -!- pi31415_ is now known as pi31415 17:53:13 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:36 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:43 Chago123 the Fencer (L12 HOGl) ASSERT(f.mons.alive()) in 'tags.cc' at line 1640 failed on turn 3328. (D) 18:04:54 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:24 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:31 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:06:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:12 does anyone care if I merge Fo to trunk? 18:09:03 Chago123 the Orcish Blade (L13 HOGl) ASSERT(f.mons.alive()) in 'tags.cc' at line 1640 failed on turn 4864. (D) 18:09:25 yes 18:09:36 fo what reasons? 18:09:58 !wtf fo 18:10:00 WTF was that? Unthing! 18:10:22 since they break a bunch of stuff for no apparent reason 18:10:29 oh right, formicids 18:10:30 MarvinPA: bugs or gameplay? 18:10:50 And what needs to change before they go in? 18:11:33 well they probably shouldn't be a race that has infinite digging and then changes a bunch of stuff about how dig works for every other species in an attempt to balance that 18:11:54 how do they change digging? 18:12:25 give them jump 1 instead :) 18:13:20 they're also full of weird special case stuff, probably it would be good to fix the two existing species that have that problem in trunk before adding a new one 18:13:54 they make dig noisier and dig sideways and for some reason monster orcs get the dig spell as a balance fix or something 18:14:05 <|amethyst> %git c7687b13 18:14:06 07pubby02 * 0.13-a0-1602-gc7687b1: Make dig carve-out more adjacent tiles to player. 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 45+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7687b137062 18:14:12 <|amethyst> %git f54b9d3b 18:14:13 07pubby02 {|amethyst} * 0.13-a0-1589-gf54b9d3: Give SPELL_DIG to orc sorcerers. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f54b9d3befec 18:14:20 <|amethyst> those are the two most problematic ones 18:14:34 like cone-dig? 18:14:47 <|amethyst> bh: like a T 18:14:55 huh. 18:15:06 to stop them from hall fighting all the time? 18:15:28 <|amethyst> yeah, so that two digs won't give you a LOS-breaking corridor 18:15:41 <|amethyst> who was it that scummed pan that way? (not with Fo) 18:16:05 <|amethyst> what some games call an anti-summoning corridor 18:16:15 maybe innate dig is a bad idea 18:16:15 seems like a fully carve-oriented dig that has no beam component would be better 18:16:44 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:55 yes innate dig is a bad idea 18:17:06 way more problematic than shafting 18:21:46 anyway innate stasis is a big deal and could maybe make for an interesting species but they throw way too many other things on top of it 18:21:56 -!- dg_ has quit [] 18:21:57 doesn't the branch do some other weird things that affect other species too? like making stasis stop swiftness? 18:22:11 I'd still far rather see them get -Tele than stasis 18:22:12 shouldn't stasis stop it? 18:22:15 no? 18:22:32 ??stasis 18:22:32 amulet of stasis[1/1]: Blocks teleport, blink, haste, slow, berserk, finesse, and paralysis. Gives you some (possibly yellow) contam and cancels the status if you put it on while hasted or slowed, or while waiting for teleport. 18:22:50 I'd also *far* rather see a new species that just has -TELE than one with stasis 18:22:51 Why should it block slow/haste but not swiftness? 18:23:04 bh: slow/haste affect all actions 18:24:05 sure, they're more powerful. It sounds more like excluding swiftness is a special exemption rather than the obvious choice 18:24:10 anyway the point is that it is a substantial change to other species that shouldn't just be sneaked into trunk as part of a huge merge 18:24:21 bh: next you'll be saying that stasis should stop boots of running 18:24:31 elliptic: yes. 18:25:17 It seems more consistent. 18:25:36 should it stop spriggans from moving quickly? 18:25:57 It's a trap! 18:26:01 Maybe it should haste Na 18:26:07 seriously, this doesn't make much sense to me... stasis is supposed to stop translocations and things that speed up or slow down your metabolism 18:26:41 see: stopping paralysis 18:26:50 BahamutZERO the Severer (L15 LOFi) ASSERT(f.mons.alive()) in 'tags.cc' at line 1640 failed on turn 44509. (Orc:4) 18:27:16 hrm, and the fast/slow metab mutations? 18:27:33 maybe metab was the wrong word but you get the point hopefully 18:27:43 My reading of stasis is that it's supposed to block magical changes to how you move. 18:28:09 I agree that this change shouldn't be snuck in as part of a huge merge, and requires some discussion 18:28:42 I certainly agree that this is debatable but stasis has been around for years and I have never seen anyone be confused by it not stopping swiftness or running 18:28:48 Will Fo be worth having if they're -Tele, +Shaft, sort-of-large-sized? 18:29:39 bh: even just -Tele alone would make it extremely different from any other species 18:29:41 I don't see why not 18:29:53 not sure what "worth having" means aside from being distinct 18:30:05 stasis is a bit mor einteresting IMO, but -Tele would also work pretty well 18:30:23 Sufficiently distinguished from other options, not imbalanced or otherwise gamebreaking, fun to play 18:30:39 well balance can always be tweaked in lots of ways 18:31:01 fun to play obviously requires testing, which is why it would go in trunk 18:31:18 Having a way to dig down with shaft but no way to dig within-level seems a bit thematically off 18:31:43 oh, the infinite digging forever is gone? 18:31:55 that's the current debate 18:31:56 I'd like to hear from pubby before making those changes, but as always, ownership ends when it hits trunk 18:31:58 <|amethyst> I'd rather have walk-into-wall-to-dig 18:32:15 bh: "ownership" needs to end *before* it hits trunk 18:32:19 <|amethyst> with a delay 18:32:27 2 or 3 turns? 18:32:29 elliptic: potato, potato. 18:32:30 <|amethyst> what's ownership? 18:32:30 Or more? 18:32:35 |amethyst: But there'd be so much accidental digging, wouldn't there? 18:32:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:32:47 |amethyst: all proper tea is theft. 18:32:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm, yeah, I guess that's a problem 18:33:27 make it activated ability? 18:33:35 what's wrong with regular digging in that case? 18:33:47 it can have some cost. I like stat drain. 18:33:50 It still wouldn't stop someone from making a nice fortress of solitude ahead of time 18:33:57 alefury: or max hp. 18:33:58 innate disint as dig? 18:34:04 max hp is too permanent imo 18:34:20 <|amethyst> bh: dig spell allows the same thing, and if you're doing it ahead of time the MP cost can be ignored 18:34:31 dig spell still exists? 18:34:58 ??divinations 18:34:58 divinations[1/1]: Old spell school that no longer exists, but you can still get divination miscasts! 18:35:00 dig spell is already pretty problematic, yes 18:35:15 What was in divinations? How much of it got cut? 18:35:22 oh right, I think mostly kilobyte wanted to keep it because of slime 18:35:37 alefury: to carve back walls? 18:35:37 alefury: the only reason I haven't removed dig spell is felids 18:35:57 give felids innate dig! 18:35:59 bh: i think only phase shift is left, after a reflavoring, but I didn't play crawl when divinations existed 18:36:02 learn add bad_ideas 18:36:05 it isn't a big deal in slime after various slime layout generation changes 18:36:24 oh right, felids were the other thing 18:36:33 what do they need dig for? 18:36:46 I really don't remember, sorry 18:36:47 well, they have very few other ways of digging that aren't incredibly tedious 18:36:59 Yes, but why do they need to be able to dig? 18:37:04 felids should be able to scratch at walls, like a litter box 18:37:08 LRD with enough power, IOOD also one square at a time 18:37:47 alefury: they don't strictly need to, but quite a few vaults are inaccessible without dig 18:38:14 I had some vague idea of turning wand of digging into a non-wand consumable so that felids could use it too 18:38:29 is that really a problem? 18:39:06 I think most of those vaults only need you to dig single squares anyway 18:39:24 stone of create secret passage 18:41:11 Zannick: we got one but it needs load of exp before use now 18:42:36 heh 18:43:08 the big problem with dig as an ability/spell is that it has too many uses outside of combat... this is less interesting and also it's harder to come up with relevant costs outside of combat 18:43:15 as for Fo, what about that idea of a Dig status that allows you enter walls? Needs to be enabled so you don't waste time when bumping into a wall. 18:43:43 like a free movement passwall? 18:43:44 it would also allow restricting the area dug, unlike current beam + one square next to you 18:44:12 <|amethyst> kilobyte: That's what alefury and I suggested 18:44:22 Zannick: loud, costs food, and, let's say, twice as slow as walking 18:44:35 kilobyte: so, like boring beetle 18:45:02 I don't remember suggesting that (but I almost did) 18:45:03 sort of, except that we can make walls next to you randomly (or not so randomly) fall too 18:45:31 <|amethyst> oh right 18:45:43 I don't really see the point in that by the way 18:45:46 <|amethyst> I was off-by-one, it was bh that suggested making it a toggle 18:46:01 If it's slow and loud, there's not really much of the in-combat uses left 18:46:18 unless that was the point, in which case I think it's silly 18:46:33 <|amethyst> alefury: making it a little more difficult to pre-dig anti-summoning corridors 18:46:48 could still be used to escape if trapped 18:46:48 what the fuck? 18:47:11 <|amethyst> * 18:47:11 yeah, twice as slow != uselessly slow 18:47:13 <|amethyst> \/ 18:47:36 I'm not really convinced that a dig ability is necessary, but something like what kilobyte just suggested could work... it is at least distinct from wands of digging 18:47:37 <|amethyst> where you can stand in the / and have only one monster in your LOS at any time 18:47:46 ah 18:48:38 <|amethyst> the term comes from angband players 18:48:50 I think slowly walking into walls is pretty fiddly and pointless, and having some sort of semi-permanent cost like stat drain or rot would prevent people from spamming it 18:49:25 also, being distinct from already existing diggint is bad IMO, because having a bunch of marginally different things is bad 18:50:03 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:06 it would be a lot more than marginally different 18:50:13 it wouldn't be all that different from monster bore 18:50:16 having an infinite source of a consumable is quite bad 18:50:22 it would make holes in walls 18:50:26 <|amethyst> it would be closer to disintegrate than dig 18:50:35 <|amethyst> but without affecting monsters/statues 18:50:49 anyway, I'm really tired, and I'm sure you will come up with something fun, so good night 18:51:15 <|amethyst> night! 18:51:33 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:51:53 an unrelated matter: why is on-the-ground item destruction still a thing? 18:52:07 I mean, you fireball someone, and "You see a puff of smoke." 18:52:26 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I most often encounter it with ignite poison 18:52:46 <|amethyst> "stupid naga, why'd you have to die on a scroll?" 18:53:08 kilobyte: +1 for removing it for fire/cold at least... less sure about shatter hitting potions 18:53:19 even more surprising, Shatter wastes potions 18:53:38 well... no one would suspect that 18:53:51 shatter hitting potions is at least less avoidable though 18:54:10 the problem with fire conjurations hitting scrolls is that usually you can avoid it if you notice the scroll with little or no cost 18:54:32 however I wouldn't mind removing shatter destroying potions, just saying that it seems a little less bad to me 18:54:34 my main point is, unlike in-inventory destruction that forces meaningful decision, Shatter breaking potions merely makes you 'x' everything under monsters if you're spoiled about it 18:54:59 well, not dying is still better than losing some potions 18:55:18 so you often still want to shatter even if there is a potion of curing nearby 18:55:31 in 95% fights you can afford walking back a bit 18:55:36 true 19:00:34 <|amethyst> would it make sense to include race and background in the "killer" field for ghost kills? Or somewhere, anyway 19:02:52 |amethyst: putting that somewhere would be nice, yeah... I looked at this once and wasn't sure where 19:02:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:08 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-216-g4c7f5a8: Make ground item destruction an unthing. 10(3 minutes ago, 6 files, 0+ 123-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c7f5a82f8af 19:03:26 oh, I was more unsure about where to put it in milestones for killing ghosts 19:03:32 since there is less to work with there 19:03:58 !lm * ghost x=milestone 19:04:00 410057. [2013-10-07 23:58:50] [milestone=killed the ghost of envy the Firebug, an average DEFE.] AndrewJacksonJihad the Vexing (L5 HEAM) killed the ghost of envy the Firebug, an average DEFE on turn 2375. (D:3) 19:04:09 I guess it is already there actually 19:04:22 just sequell has no easy way of accessing it 19:04:32 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:34 !lg * ckiller=player_ghost x=vmsg 19:04:35 63597. [vmsg=incinerated by buttholecancer's ghost (sticky flame)] Roarke the Basher (L8 OgMo), worshipper of Ashenzari, incinerated by buttholecancer's ghost (sticky flame) on D:7 on 2013-10-07 23:57:18, with 1235 points after 7058 turns and 0:13:36. 19:05:29 maybe just s/ghost/ghost (DEFE)/ in vmsg and killer 19:05:30 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:15 <|amethyst> elliptic: in vmsg it would looks a little funny "buttholecancer's ghost (DEFE) (sticky flame)" 19:06:19 <|amethyst> s/looks/look/ 19:06:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:08:37 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:15 that might be unavoidable unless we want to add an extra field to logfiles for extra info like this 19:10:23 which is something else I've considered 19:11:17 !lg * place=vaults -log 19:11:18 8837. LogicNinja, XL18 GrBe, T:36072: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/LogicNinja/morgue-LogicNinja-20131007-220559.txt 19:11:48 I wish morgues had x,y coordinates 19:14:25 <|amethyst> bh: of what, the bounds of the mapped region? 19:14:41 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:42 the player's location on the current level 19:14:54 It would only be useful for plotting the location of death in Vaults:$ 19:15:14 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:21 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:29 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:00 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:26:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:32:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Client Quit] 19:39:45 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:19 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:12 -!- KLANG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:47:46 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:51:14 -!- Gotham has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:27 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:57:28 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:01:20 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:05:11 -!- ophanim is now known as bathanim 20:07:21 -!- yetgjkj has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 20:07:52 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 20:08:22 -!- TROGSTEIN has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:22 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:09:40 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:01 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:13:39 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak] 20:29:29 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:29:29 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:29:31 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:32 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 20:29:47 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Client Quit] 20:37:03 -!- Twinge has quit [] 20:41:38 -!- bathanim is now known as ophanim 20:44:38 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 20:45:25 -!- shmup_ is now known as shmup 20:45:51 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 20:50:19 bh: just the coords are worthless without dumping full vault placement 20:50:26 on the other hand, 20:50:35 !lg * recent place=Vaults:5 s=map 20:50:36 671 games for * (recent place=Vaults:5): 351x vaults_vault, 68x, 12x vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_pluses, 11x vaults_vault; vaults_end_dpeg_mall, 9x vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_oval, 8x vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_plus_grid, 8x vaults_vault; vaults_end_dpeg_shops2, 7x vaults_vault; vaults_end_mu_boxes, 7x vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_loops, 7x vaults_vault; vaults_end_minmay_wings, 7... 20:50:59 kilobyte: vaults:$ is pretty standard, though 20:51:13 Did the player die in a vault, the entry way or the hallways? 20:51:39 vaults_vault means the hallway/entryway 20:51:57 the rest is some subvault, or sub-subvault 20:52:34 <|amethyst> how am I supposed to read those results from sequell? 20:52:56 <|amethyst> oh, semicolon binds tighter than comma there 20:53:25 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:41 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:57:26 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:35 !lm * type=crash place=Vaults:5 s=cv 20:57:36 73 milestones for * (type=crash place=Vaults:5): 58x 0.13-a, 4x 0.10, 3x 0.11-a, 2x 0.12, 2x 0.12-a, 0.10-a, 0.9-a, 0.14-a, 0.8-a 20:57:44 this has the coords :p 20:57:55 (but no vault_placement) 20:58:16 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:06:13 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:06:35 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:06:57 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:57 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 21:06:57 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:15 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-217-gc8849e1: Fix a crash with magic shield if rotting kills you. 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8849e1a6cfd 21:08:15 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-218-g24e112a: Hush a warning on 32 bit. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24e112a36b7d 21:15:09 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:16:26 -!- Meagre has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:19:26 hey guys. seems I missed Fo discussion 21:19:58 I wrote up some thoughts on the matter though: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eMn25RD9 21:22:35 and regarding digging: would they be trunk-worthy if the digging change was reverted? 21:24:15 what digging change got implemented? 21:25:51 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26:29 G-Flex: the mouth of the tunnel adjacent to you is 2 tiles wider than the rest of it 21:27:05 sounds like a bit of a kludge imo 21:28:13 it is, but every alternative was even worse 21:29:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:32:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:33:14 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:33:37 -!- Stupendous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:40 Help contains description of Lava Orcs and Djinni by Growf 21:39:33 WHOA BUPPY IS PUBBY!? 21:40:27 buppy: I'm with you on stasis rather than -Tele. It's much more limiting and in my view interesting 21:41:10 buppy: What is your thought on giving them boring beetle-like digging at a high AUT cost? 21:41:41 yes, I'm pubby, hehe! 21:42:24 bh: if it had a high AUT cost I would dig tunnels before fights. 21:44:02 buppy: do you think digging is essential? 21:44:29 hmm actually there's not much point in defining our own byteswap unless we can find a big-endian platform that doesn't have good predefined htole{32,64} 21:45:10 bh: I played several dwant games without digging. Digging made them more fun and less frustrating 21:45:34 for instance, it's very nice to have when you stumble into a pack of killer bees 21:45:49 there goes SamB, making the code base not suck while everyone else is pushing bug-inducing features ;) 21:46:43 not exactly ... more like realizing that I don't know of a usecase for a microoptimization I had been pondering ... 21:49:12 I once had a hall-of-shame moment where I accidentally iterated over a byte array in the wrong order as I fed it to a hash function making it neither big nor little endian. 21:49:32 WTF-Endian 21:49:42 bh-endian 21:49:46 was it crazier than PDP-endian? 21:49:47 (same thing) 21:49:48 <_< 21:52:13 I still do think it's a bit odd that we only have the htole{32,64}, not le{32,64}toh ... 21:53:40 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:03 kilobyte: what is with the conditions around "#define DO_FSYNC" 22:01:38 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:13 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:16:14 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22:43 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:21 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:24:41 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:20 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:16 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:20 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:32:40 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:41 -!- RELAYTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:38 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:34:35 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: pseudoquit] 22:38:32 -!- TROGSTEIN has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:35 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:40:26 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-b1-41-gf166b9b 22:47:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:48 -!- Pisano2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:00:34 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:50 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19:59 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:04 |amethyst: I noticed that the jump_attack experimental branch still seems to work from webtiles, even though it's no longer present in console. Will disabling that have to wait for a webtiles restart? 23:31:43 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:06 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:37:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: removing the link will have to wait, yes 23:37:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I could make it just not work now :) 23:37:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but I figured that would be mean 23:37:32 |amethyst: I'd pull destruction while you're at it 23:37:47 Well, I haven't actually seen someone playing it 23:37:51 -!- _dd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:52 so I don't think it'd matter 23:38:42 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:38:50 <|amethyst> bh: already did in console; it will be gone from webtiles on restart like jump_attack 23:38:58 thanks 23:40:50 SamB: if fsync is not available, saves will be corrupted if the OS crashes (possibly due to a hardware or power fault) 23:41:37 SamB: as Ted Ts'o would rush to explain, there is no other portable API that would ensure consistency of files 23:41:45 kilobyte: well, yeah; I'm confused about why there are so many circumstances where it won't be defined 23:42:16 but what he fails to mention is that "fsync" and "performance" shouldn't be used in one sentence 23:42:40 debug builds: there's no game worth preserving 23:43:45 DGL: there wasn't a single crash on public servers in history, and IIRC cao had problems with disk churn 23:44:12 maybe add this information as comments? 23:44:16 Android: I'm told it lacks fsync (which I'm reluctant to believe) 23:45:11 <|amethyst> you mean commit messages aren't enough? 23:45:21 <|amethyst> :) 23:45:23 I don't do Android, but I doubt it's such a toy system to lack such basic primitives. You can't really have data safety without it... 23:45:44 kilobyte: yeah, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing they would leave out ... 23:45:45 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:54 especially on a battery-powered device, where unexpected shutdowns are likely to happen 23:47:03 -!- Neuromancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:47:16 <|amethyst> kilobyte: unexpected is really only yanking the battery 23:47:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte: battery dying can be predicted in advance, and it doesn't take that long to sync to flash 23:47:47 <|amethyst> well, that and OS crashes 23:48:06 <|amethyst> but, yeah, android should have fsync 23:48:08 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 23:48:11 <|amethyst> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/12/saving-data-safely.html 23:48:14 yeah, well, I'm sure users do that sometimes ... 23:51:02 |amethyst: yeah, I think it's just something horribly broken with the setup of the guy who did android porting 23:51:48 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:08 frogbotherer 23:52:10 !seen frogbotherer 23:52:10 I last saw frogbotherer at Sun Jan 27 16:57:18 2013 UTC (36w 1d 11h 54m 52s ago) quitting with message Remote host closed the connection. 23:53:53 <|amethyst> Last commit Tue Sep 18 21:50:11 2012 +0100 23:56:39 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:41 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:58:47 I had unclean shutdowns, both on my main box (due to virtualbox modules being broken on 3.11 kernels) and on my arm dev one (very easy to trip the power) 23:59:37 with the abyss bot running on every core, some instances got their saves corrupted in both cases