00:00:09 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-b1-1-g298bc45 00:00:10 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and the US definition of "socialist" is super-awesome 00:00:50 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-20-g2c5e915 (34) 00:02:12 <|amethyst> btw, sometime in the next year I'm going to have to move cszo ttyrecs somewhere 00:02:16 as a kid, I got to go to those "attend or you'd be expelled from school" 1st May parades, and had the school and pretty much everything decorated with giant slogans about "building socialism" 00:02:24 so that feels doubly weird to me 00:02:37 <|amethyst> probably to CAO, which has significantly more disk space 00:02:55 <|amethyst> Oh, right, the American definition of "labor day" too 00:03:27 "Yay, we get today off! What's a union?" 00:03:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte: apparently it's socialism whenever the government taxes people? or whenever it taxes people more than they'd like? 00:03:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte: particularly if it uses those taxes to provide services rather than waging war 00:04:46 "provice services"... yeah... to whom? 00:04:52 s/c/d/ 00:05:02 <|amethyst> to "welfare queens" of course 00:05:22 that's a small portion of the money 00:05:36 <|amethyst> IT"S COMMUNISM!!!!!!111 00:05:47 a vast majority goes to those with connections to the Party, whatever name the party has 00:05:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-20-g2c5e915 (34) 00:06:35 |amethyst: thankfully I'm too young to have been around for most of Reagan 00:06:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: At least there the party had a name and was an identifiable organisation :) 00:07:27 We should make ObamacareRL, where you fight social programs and drink tea :P 00:07:29 well, in your country the party pretends to be two separate "totally different" parties 00:07:36 bh: <3 <3 <3 00:07:37 <|amethyst> kilobyte: here it's "the political establishment" and is fairly amorphous, with politicians claiming they're not part of it for propaganda purposes 00:07:58 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: btw, I find great humour in what had become of the old communist party headquarters when I was in Warsaw ~10 years ago 00:09:21 <|amethyst> or I guess the Central Committee headquarters 00:10:57 what is it now? 00:10:59 <|amethyst> bh: The death panel hits you! 00:11:14 <|amethyst> bh: it was at the time the Warsaw Stock Exchange 00:11:21 <|amethyst> which I think has moved since 00:13:53 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:14:17 StockBrokerRL could be a pretty funny 7DRL 00:15:26 <|amethyst> Be careful! It is the triple witching hour! 00:16:26 <|amethyst> The Bollinger bands attack! Your trend line is weakened! 00:19:03 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:22:07 |amethyst: the game could be about predicting a Brownian walk and pretending that you know what you're doing. 00:22:40 so many different directions this could go in except they all tend towards black comedy somehow 00:23:17 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:37 <|amethyst> bh: the only non-academic full time job I've had was writing software to help a "Certified Investment Analysis" convince himself he was doing just that 00:28:26 <|amethyst> and maintaining the databases etc 00:28:35 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:39 |amethyst: I have a jar of coins in my kitchen. Each is labeled. I use them to predict stocks. The ones that are bad, I put in the garbage disposal. The ones that are good, I use to make investment decisions 00:29:26 <|amethyst> bh: I have tournaments where I crush M&Ms against one another to determine which is the strongest 00:29:50 and you mail the winner in for further testing? 00:30:24 <|amethyst> I hear someone did actually mail their winner to Mars with a letter suggesting the use it for "breeding" 00:30:35 <|amethyst> s/the use/they use/ 00:35:13 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:36:02 lol 00:36:09 breeding M&Ms ... 00:40:04 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:20 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:43:54 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:55 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-20-g2c5e915 00:51:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:51:44 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:54:53 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 00:55:01 <|amethyst> Would someone like to announce the 0.13 beta on wordpress? 00:55:12 on it 00:55:21 <|amethyst> I guess perhaps we should wait for the European servers 00:55:32 <|amethyst> or at least mention that they don't have it yet 01:10:18 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:11:01 sniff, I thought petrify was sooo clever for gnoll shamans (though guess "casts buffs" is the actual theme?) 01:11:36 (I'm not actually sad. Progress!) 01:12:40 yeah, i figured petrify was pretty much their Thing 01:12:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12:56 the way smite is the Thing for orc priests 01:15:22 -!- Ganrao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:25 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:25:26 On subject of gnolls.. would a rallying ability make sense for seargeants - remove debuffs from gnolls within LOS? They seem fairly samey as they are. 01:27:36 Keskitalo: debuffs are rare enough that it seems not worth it I think 01:28:08 sergeants have significantly better gear than regular gnolls at the moment, that might be enough 01:28:55 I'm interested in nerfing summoners by in some way weakening summons when the caster dies 01:29:05 yeah, I figured it would only matter for a few builds, and even then only occasionally 01:29:51 bh: ANOTHER SUMMONING NERF 01:30:01 Lightli: for the bad guys. 01:30:03 oh 01:30:13 I was fine with it either way 01:30:22 bh: I think there was general support for trying out the idea of making summons disappear when their summoner dies 01:30:31 isn't the player a bad guy really, anyway? 01:30:34 If a demonologist drops a pack of dudes on you and you blow his face off, the summons should time out faster, for example 01:30:57 I think just disappearing immediately would be more transparent 01:31:26 That'll be a significant balance change 01:31:34 can even simulate this for the player that way, so get messages about your summons puffing into smoke when you die :P 01:31:38 How should pulling summons interlevel work? 01:31:46 how about if a felid dies with summons out 01:31:57 well, I thought the point was to nerf summoners, that means a balance change 01:31:57 poof 'em? 01:32:15 bh: I don't think so 01:32:38 I'd like to make killing the summoner a bigger deal, even beyond stopping him from dumping more summons on you 01:32:42 bh: the summons don't need to stay within sight of the caster or anything, going to a different level shouldn't be different 01:35:55 Webtiles server restarted. 01:36:30 I am behind making summons disappear when the summoner dies 01:36:40 Webtiles server restarted. 01:38:39 make the summoner disappear when the summons die 01:39:51 deep 01:39:54 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:46 make summoners disappear 01:41:07 mass abjure is 'interesting' 01:42:18 BIT(29) is unused in monster flags 01:42:27 ogaz: Player summoners or monster summoners 01:42:34 ogaz: <3 01:42:50 Lightli: both? 01:43:01 +1 01:43:02 ok 01:43:07 I agree with that idea 01:43:30 'eh. 01:43:44 summons are fun. 01:44:03 -!- nicolae- has quit [] 01:44:21 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:44:50 !abyss bh 01:44:52 Lightli casts a spell. bh is devoured by a tear in reality! 01:48:20 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:43 Erolcha (12O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 54 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(56) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 739 | Sp: b.venom (3d11), mystic blast (3d12), invisibility, confuse, slow, 04esc:teleport self / magic dart (3d4), paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d14), confuse, 04esc:teleport self / paralyse, throw flame (3d6), invisibility, teleport other, fireball (3d14) / petrify, crystal spear (3d23), blink, b.fire (3d14), b.cold (3d14), 04esc:minor healing (2d3) / stone arrow (3d12), sting (d8), blink, b.lightning (3d14), banishment, 04esc:minor healing (2d3) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 01:49:43 %??erolcha 01:49:46 what is this? 01:49:59 dang 01:51:12 looks like erolcha? 01:51:39 am i the only one who sees the "esc:" 01:51:47 escape spell 01:51:54 oh, weird 01:52:05 I forget when they're supposed to cast it but in practical terms, they almost never do 01:52:09 well 01:52:12 its never displayed that before 01:52:21 im not asking what an escape spell is :P 01:53:13 minor healing indeed, 2d3 01:53:27 _build_vault_impl: floor 01:53:27 [TAG] Found map evilmike_abyss_rune_curve tagged 'abyss_rune' 01:53:27 Rotating evilmike_abyss_rune_curve anti-clockwise. 01:53:27 Map: evilmike_abyss_rune_curve; placed: yes; place: (40,27), size: (11,13) 01:53:27 neqoxec: loading spellbook #44 01:53:30 A neqoxec materialises. 01:53:32 _build_vault_impl: stone_wall 01:53:43 hmm, how about a monster healing mechanic, where they gain back substantial hp but also get a negative resistance or something like that 01:54:05 eresh does have major healing 01:54:10 a monster that can't die 01:54:13 so abyssal vaults are allowed to place junk at your position 01:54:27 someone was complaining that she's unkillable if you're melee with a shield 01:54:46 Keskitalo: so they not only heal but also gain rN? 01:54:58 hehe 01:55:57 maybe we could implement something similar to the way nethack stops things from getting out of control 01:56:23 any time a monster heals, it has a chance of losing the ability to do so 01:56:54 (in nethack it's permanent but "for 100 turns" would be basically equivalent) 01:57:09 could be used for summons too 01:57:43 I think the only monsters that can actually heal significant amounts are eresh and random pan lords, and eh, whatever, if you can't kill eresh then you can't kill eresh 01:58:02 well, i meant "assuming we made healing actually do something" 01:58:11 !lm * uniq=eresh sh>10 fi|gl|be 01:58:11 No milestones for * (uniq=eresh sh>10 (fi || gl || be)). 01:58:18 !lm * uniq=eresh sh>10 (fi|gl|be) 01:58:18 No milestones for * (uniq=eresh sh>10 (fi || gl || be)). 01:58:23 as it is, minor healing is basically a cantrip 01:58:32 mm wasn't minor healing buffed 01:58:39 yes 01:58:52 I suppose for most things it's still pretty weak 01:58:54 it's still pretty... minor... 01:59:08 @??ogre-mage 01:59:09 unknown monster: "ogre-mage" 01:59:12 @??ogre mage 01:59:13 ogre mage (06O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-71 | AC/EV: 1/7 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 923 | Sp: haste other, crystal spear (3d28), blink, b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), minor healing (2d5) / haste other, mystic blast (3d15), invisibility, confuse, slow, teleport self / haste other, paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d17), con.. 01:59:21 what else has minor healing? 01:59:30 Hmm 01:59:45 not that worse from potions of healing 01:59:52 !lm * uniq=ereshkigal sh>10 class=(fi|gl|be) 01:59:52 150. [2013-09-24 09:50:08] Soner the Skullcrusher (L27 GrFi) killed Ereshkigal on turn 157471. (Tar:7) 02:00:26 deep elf priest (03e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 23-40 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 9 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(56) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 321 | Sp: pain (d11), malign offering (2d13), smiting (7-17), twisted resurrection | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 02:00:26 %??deep elf priest 02:00:29 What's that for? 02:00:33 oh, they lost it 02:00:40 uhm, 02:00:41 Killing eresh with a shield 02:00:57 orc high priest (09o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 41-68 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(58) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 842 | Sp: pain (d13), demon, smiting (7-17), heal other (2d5), 04esc:minor healing (2d5) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 02:00:57 %??orc high priest 02:01:05 Oh, I was just wondering if there was a point other than that. 02:01:05 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:01:18 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:01:19 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 87-134 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(186), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 2589 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 02:01:19 %??titan 02:01:22 Ideally by hitting her with nonspells 02:01:25 @??deep troll shaman 02:01:26 deep troll shaman (16T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 34-62 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 20, 20 | 10doors, priest, evil, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 876 | Sp: haste other, might other, minor healing (2d6) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 02:01:30 2d10 is respectable 02:02:34 I remember the Eresh fight actually being the second easiest for me, but I might have gotten lucky with her spell selection or something. 02:02:37 @??ereshkigal 02:02:37 Ereshkigal (16&) | Spd: 14 | HD: 18 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Dam: 4013(drain) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12959 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), silence, greater demon, torment symbol, paralyse, major healing | Sz: Large | Int: high. 02:02:54 What are the numbers on major healing 02:02:58 Like 150 or so? 02:03:20 nah, nowhere close to that high, it's like 30ish 02:03:43 Huh 02:03:45 that sounds off 02:04:01 i had eresh go from heavily wounded to lightly wounded or something rirculous in one cast 02:04:02 Seemed to restore 1/4 or 1/2 of Eresh or Lom's hp 02:04:12 hm 02:04:12 it's 50 + random2avg(mons->hit_dice * 10, 2 02:04:18 oh wow 02:04:18 ) 02:04:35 maybe i'm thinking of too long ago 02:04:44 when she had minor healing for like 2d4 02:04:53 so basically "150 or so" is about right 02:05:09 That is big. 02:05:10 dear god 02:05:19 is there anything else that has major healing? 02:05:24 lom 02:05:25 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9161 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 02:05:25 %??lom lobon 02:05:46 Fortunately he's less of a dodgy bastard 02:05:56 and no silence 02:05:57 and a joke 02:06:00 also slower so gets to use it less 02:06:02 But the blinking is somewhat annoying if you want to kill him 02:06:15 I killed him with a XL12 HOBe 02:06:24 Which should just go to show how pathetic Lom Lobon is 02:06:26 Just in general for most things that would potentially get large amounts of healing, I wonder what the intent is compared to just giving them a lot of HP 02:06:54 well, it encourages pouring on the attack power 02:06:54 Oh drat it went from heavily to lightly 02:07:02 since you can't really outlast her 02:07:44 I'm not seeing this in sequell but even if you did that it more would speak to antimagic being op probably 02:07:57 or you did in in sprint, where XL12 characters aren't really XL12 02:08:00 well yeah, antimagic ruins everything 02:08:15 <|amethyst> 0.13 isn't in sequell yet 02:08:18 would have to be sprint, I don't see how you could get to Lom at XL12 in regular crawl 02:08:37 you could get to lom at XL12 by being jeanjacques probably 02:08:48 JJBe 02:08:51 !lm * uniq=lom_lobon min=xl 02:08:52 3684. [2012-09-27 21:33:50] jeanjacques the Wrestler (L18 TrFi) killed Lom Lobon on turn 13953. (Pan) 02:08:56 yeah it was in sprint 02:09:02 because recall shenanigans 02:09:19 !m * uniq=lom_lobon min=xl sprint 02:09:32 sprints usually have too much other weird stuff to be applicable to actual crawl balance anyway 02:10:25 !lg * killer=~lom min=xl 02:10:25 179. flaco the Ruffian (L2 TrMo), blasted by DJFlomax's ghost (puff of flame) on D:3 on 2013-03-22 00:06:56, with 41 points after 185 turns and 0:01:16. 02:10:33 !lg * killer=~lobon min=xl 02:10:34 16. fleugma the Chiller (L3 GhIE), slain by LomLobon's ghost on D:3 on 2011-01-02 12:07:28, with 137 points after 2083 turns and 0:07:59. 02:10:46 !lg * killer=~lom_lobon min=xl 02:10:46 fun fact: lom lobon is worth less exp than an orb of fire 02:10:46 15. hyperbolic the Infuser (L11 SpEn), blasted by Lom Lobon (great blast of cold) in Pandemonium (lom_lobon) on 2010-11-13 17:22:32, with 13825 points after 5980 turns and 0:38:24. 02:11:09 crawl xp, noted sane value 02:11:25 I didn't say it actually meant anything, I just thought it was interesting 02:11:31 (it doesn't actually mean anything) 02:11:40 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 700 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.cold (3d32), b.lightning (3d25) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 02:11:40 %??antaeus 02:17:43 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:19:04 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:22:11 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:31 -!- Pepe has quit [Quit: rebuttal] 02:24:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:45 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:32:44 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-21-gd514581: Fix the player being placed in a wall on area shifts. 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5145817d699 02:35:27 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:43:35 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:46:35 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:46:41 -!- ig0rbit_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:50:27 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:53 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:54:33 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 02:55:32 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 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09:01:53 <|amethyst> acts as though monster_polymorph killed it 09:02:36 <|amethyst> old_name_a = "a spider" 09:03:02 <|amethyst> targetc == MONS_GIANT_FROG 09:06:25 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:06:52 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Client Quit] 09:07:14 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:15:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:04 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:18:24 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 09:24:11 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:48 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:27:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:29:45 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:30:05 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 09:30:39 -!- hart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:32:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:38:17 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:49 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:27 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:45:44 -!- Rjs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:54 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:16 -!- floatboth has quit [Client Quit] 09:54:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:58:48 -!- aleksiL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:03:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:07:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:20 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:19:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:26:08 -!- rapierx has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:31:22 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:33:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:53 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:44:59 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:48:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:39 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 23.0/20130807024356]] 11:01:53 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:06:27 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:09:04 !tell bh it looks like a lot of abyss monsters are eligible for transit, which skews the population distribution. Perhaps only those who came via banishment should be kept? 11:09:07 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 11:14:35 kilobyte: do you understand the massive changes pubby made in 7d7ec04861 that you pushed? apparently you now get the message "You're already wearing zero cursed rings!" if you try to put on a ring with cursed gloves on and no rings... 11:14:54 -!- duralumin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:26 elliptic: it was a large rewrite of quite insane code. Regressions are not that unexpected... 11:16:30 right 11:16:45 new code is still a mess though 11:17:22 as is probably unavoidable for code that is supposed to handle arbitrary number of ring slots correctly 11:17:40 was just wondering if you had looked at it enough to have an idea of what went wrong here 11:17:49 not on the level of blinking or throwing 11:18:17 I have looked but not in depth 11:18:49 it did seem sane _except_ for RING_AMULET special casing :p 11:19:09 (which was the part pubby intended, not the one I took the patch because of) 11:19:33 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:20:41 -!- tenskklndfs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:21:35 heh... if you have the amulet and cursed gloves, trying to put on a ring removes the amulet one without asking, not saying a word about gloves 11:22:55 -!- rapierx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:23:57 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:19 -!- Soner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:33 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:37 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:38:25 FR: now that mechanical traps are for practical purposes gone, what about giving every trap a different colour? 11:39:23 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:46 that sounds good 11:45:46 is it impractical to remove mechanical traps from placed vaults? 11:52:23 ackack: might take some redesign in some cases 11:52:29 but should be doable 11:52:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:53:05 If nothing else, you could set the weight of all those vaults to 0, right? 11:53:50 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:50 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:55:07 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:26 !messages 11:56:27 (1/5) |amethyst said (13h 17m 58s ago): time to add 0.13 to dgamelaunch and webtiles! there's a patch at http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.13.patch but it might need adjustment. You also need to create the inprogress directory manually (chowned to crawl:crawl), and restart dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere 12:03:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:45 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 12:03:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 12:06:52 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07:56 -!- Arios has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:08:14 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08:20 Graphical tiles bug in new "hell vault" by zkyp 12:09:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:29 -!- rapierx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:15:56 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:36 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-22-ga0bf153 (34) 12:19:54 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 12:22:43 -!- rapierx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:33:18 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:29 -!- fmul has quit [Quit: fuck off and die] 12:36:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:36:25 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:07 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:12 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:48:01 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:21 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:56:51 bikeshedding time: what colour should {teleport,alarm,Zot} traps and passages of Golubria bear? 13:00:21 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:27 -!- rapierx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:03:55 kilobyte: not teal, that would be confusing 13:06:13 I guess lightgrey and brown are off limits, too 13:07:03 red/lightred zot traps maybe? yellow alarms, leave teleports on magenta? 13:07:44 kilobyte: out of curiousity, why don't you have a + ? 13:09:43 'cuz nickserv uses that SSL identification thing only on initial connect 13:10:44 -!- MDesigner has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:50 fair enough! 13:11:10 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:15 super simple question: on Linux, where do I find the crawl options/init file? and where can i see a full list of all possible options/values? 13:11:33 MDesigner: ~/.crawl/init.txt 13:11:34 I have a ~/.crawl folder so I assume something goes in there 13:11:50 gotcha 13:11:50 ??options 13:11:51 rcfile[2/5]: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt; 13:12:03 options_guide.txt but not sure where it gets installed to 13:12:17 I need to play with some screen settings. I'm on a dual monitor setup and crawl is spanning both screens. very odd. :D 13:12:38 ?& in game 13:12:48 yeah, a known problem 13:13:05 /usr/share/crawl/docs/options_guide.txt 13:13:10 slocate to the rescue 13:13:19 too bad no one does technical stuff with tiles these days 13:13:21 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:26 "If you get stuck or some things won't seem to work properly, ask for help on the newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.misc." 13:13:27 :D 13:13:37 (todo: update that line) 13:14:05 hah 13:14:15 I would gladly contribute to crawl. if I knew the code. and if I had time. :) 13:15:03 MDesigner: pay Mantis a visit and find some bugs to fix; it's a good way to get familiar with the codebase. :) 13:15:19 no time. :) 13:15:32 I wish I did have the time 13:16:58 jpeg and Eino went inactive 2+ years ago, and ontoclasm does less technical things 13:17:19 the rest of us plays console 13:17:30 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:18:04 I do occasionally poke my nose into the tiles side of things (mainly from my interactions with tileschat), but I normally play console. 13:19:07 There's also the occasional thing like... 13:19:07 %git 559a7a8 13:19:08 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-3206-g559a7a8: Abilities tab for local tiles, using the fancy new abilities tiles. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 23 files, 509+ 76-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=559a7a88b120 13:20:17 interesting 13:24:14 About the only thing that I can think of that I'd continue poking around tiles for is to get the Android port usable. 13:24:34 (Really, I'd want to get the game working with SDL2 first; that would make things considerably easier.) 13:26:00 iOS! :) 13:26:27 pi3.14159 has a working SDL2 port, but didn't submit it yet because of some directfb thingy 13:26:40 not bloody likely, that 13:26:51 heh 13:27:40 (at the very least, a config file is difficult even without the consideration that lua support would cause Apple to bounce it HARD) 13:28:20 true 13:31:05 MarvinPA: as for trap bikeshedding: the traditional Zot colour is magenta/lightmagenta. Not sure if that should affect traps, though. 13:31:35 also, currently red means "bloodstained trap" 13:32:09 -!- MDesigner has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:32:14 (not that I really care, but it's likely whatever goes in in the first try stays) 13:32:18 oh true, keeping zot on magenta sounds fine too 13:32:20 heh yeah 13:32:36 also, Golubria 13:33:27 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:55 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:12 maybe lightblue teleport, yellow alarm, magenta zot, green(?) golubria 13:40:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-23-ge2574ea: Mark an obvious typo as a non-typo. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2574ea7dd42 13:40:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-24-ga6373e2: Fix empty rings slots covered by gloves not being counted. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6373e255ead 13:40:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-25-g0ea719b: Split the "magical" trap category, to allow recolouring. 10(38 minutes ago, 12 files, 76+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ea719b7a5d9 13:40:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-26-gc3af15a: Rename "natural traps" to "shafts". 10(23 minutes ago, 13 files, 23+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3af15acd9d3 13:40:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-27-g5f5ef2d: Squash four types of dry fountains into one. Reflowing is gone... 10(13 minutes ago, 9 files, 15+ 53-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f5ef2decf95 13:40:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-28-g0294666: Recolour "magical" traps based on their type. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=029466689f3e 13:43:19 -!- dead_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:45:36 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-29-gcabdcba: Unbreak tiles. 10(20 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cabdcbae2caa 13:46:24 for comparison, in tiles: Zot: cyan/white, alarm: brown/yellow, teleport: magenta/lightmagenta, Golubria: lightgreen 13:47:28 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:55:16 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:59 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:47 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:05:57 the description for tomahawk should probably read 'While some larger axe types...' instead of 'While some larger tomahawk types...' 14:07:34 it seems right as-is, it's supposed to clarify why you can't use it as a melee weapon i think, and to be distinct from "axes" the melee weapon type 14:07:53 but a tomahawk is a type of axe 14:08:04 it is a specific typ of axe 14:08:19 tomahawk is not a class of weapon really 14:10:01 well i don't know my weapons and nor do i particularly care but it seems to be pretty clearly saying "if this tomahawk were a bigger tomahawk you could hit things with it in melee instead of just throwing it, but it's not so you can't" 14:10:16 possibly its name will change anyway at some point 14:10:19 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:10:42 but there are no bigger tomahawks 14:10:52 if it's bigger it's no longer a tomahawk 14:11:06 wand of random effects should not be marked evil_item under tso by jeanjacques 14:15:18 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:09 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:20:58 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:31:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 14:32:14 <|amethyst> LexAckson: kilobyte intended that to clarify "yes, we know that IRL tomahawks aren't thrown-only" 14:34:04 makes sense 14:34:13 i just thought it sounded weird 14:34:37 because the most distinctive quality of the tomahawk is that it's a throwable axe 14:35:02 even though it's also a tool or a small hand axe sometimes 14:36:30 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 14:38:06 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:10 I guess my wording sucks then 14:39:13 not a surprise 14:39:13 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42:41 <|amethyst> btw, should small species hunters get tomahawks instead of darts now? 14:43:03 <|amethyst> hunter/AM 14:43:15 <|amethyst> and maybe throwing Wn 14:43:50 instead of javelins? Makes sense. 14:44:45 how strong are tomahawks? 14:45:29 LexAckson: 6; darts 2, javelins 10 14:45:40 cool 14:46:35 |amethyst, that's plausible to me. 14:46:50 Any ideas as for how much throwing damage scales with strength? 14:47:34 <|amethyst> spriggans can throw tomahawks, right? 14:48:09 yes, they're the only who can't use javelins (and don't walk on four paws) 14:48:47 * geekosaur imagines a spriggan trying to heft a javelin... and toppling over 14:49:37 <|amethyst> kilobyte: merely small species (kobold, halfling) can't either 14:53:41 ng-restr.cc weapon_restriction() says only spriggans and felids 14:54:46 <|amethyst> it's also handled in _get_weapons 14:54:53 <|amethyst> for newgame 14:55:06 <|amethyst> and elsewhere for determining whether you can actually throw them 14:57:36 (Should the WPN_DARTS choice be replaced altogether?) 14:57:42 <|amethyst> working on it 14:58:00 (And should other classes that get darts get tomahawks instead - small Gl, Wr?) 14:58:11 (well, Wr would still get dispersal darts, but their normal stack of throwing items...) 14:58:17 <|amethyst> I'm doing small Gl, but not Wr or En 14:58:32 ...clearly I'm wasting my time implementing thi :) 14:58:33 *this 14:59:20 could be simplified if we replaced the placeholder with WPN_THROWING 14:59:43 <|amethyst> hm 14:59:47 <|amethyst> even better idea 14:59:55 <|amethyst> I defer implementation to kilobyte and/or grunt 15:01:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:01:18 * kilobyte takes a step back. 15:01:25 I'm on it, in that case. 15:02:19 <|amethyst> Grunt: as for when to give it, my thought was that things (En, Wr) that always get darts continue to do so 15:02:28 Makes sense. 15:02:52 <|amethyst> and when it's a downgrade from javelin, we buff to tomahawks 15:04:48 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:10:08 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:26 hmm, zin_treasure has TAGS: no_monster_gen, yet there's a hobgoblin inside 15:12:52 that part of the vault is no_rtele_into 15:17:40 Grunt: Please give Wn +2 darts, a hawaiian t-shirt, and a camera 15:18:04 gammafunk: this isn't NetHack! :) 15:18:24 Grunt: Oh, dang! This isn't ##nethack-dev is it?! 15:18:43 If you ever find ##nethack-dev, let me know. :b 15:18:51 * kilobyte dances atop missile enchantment's grave. 15:19:20 +2 darts, as in, plus two additional darts 15:19:28 Zannick: haha 15:21:59 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-30-gf0b6e91: Unify NG thrown weapon handling; give small throwers tomahawks. 10(5 minutes ago, 5 files, 45+ 76-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0b6e91ee5c2 15:27:12 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:00 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:11 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:29:47 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:44 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:27 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:54 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:40:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: penis] 15:47:32 Damage in death message inconsistant by indspenceable 15:51:20 -!- sumguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:37 I presume ghosts keep their auxillary attacks? 15:53:37 Because if they do then all that happened here is that he got punched down to 4 hp ( 15:53:37 32642 | Lair:8 | HP: 4/85 [TacoSundae's ghost (41)]) and then kicked for 17 damage. 15:54:43 that's what it looks like to me 15:54:49 but it didn't tell them about the aux attack 15:55:02 -!- aleksiL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:21 (the low hp warning followed by "You die" suggests an attack that didn't get reported, also) 15:55:49 I'm guessing it's a brand, not an aux attack. 15:55:55 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:55:56 Some of those don't get reported properly; we've seen it before. 15:57:02 !lg tacosundae lair:8 -log 15:57:03 2. TacoSundae, XL14 GrGl, T:21192: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/TacoSundae/morgue-TacoSundae-20130925-181944.txt 15:57:20 eyup 15:57:27 Aha, vorpal brand. 15:57:31 That would explain it nicely. 15:58:00 i pity the ones who face plutonium swordsmen 15:59:51 A plutonium golem comes into view. It is wielding the +12,+16 plutonium sword {Contam Stlth-}. 16:00:37 That would make a fine vaults vault. 16:00:44 the crystal palace 16:00:52 Lehudib's Crystal Spire 16:01:01 (possibly I should make a new version of that) 16:01:12 (but wizlabs are so rare) 16:03:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:47 man, linesprint orbrun is ludacris 16:04:01 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:04:08 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:55 lol i mean ludicrous 16:06:02 * geekosaur was wondering if that was intended to be a joke 16:06:58 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:28 would have starved to death had i not ran out of max mp 16:07:38 -!- Soner has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:28 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:16 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:56 -!- CampinSam has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:36:20 -!- enygmata has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:44 -!- enygmata has left ##crawl-dev 16:41:27 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:59 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:44:19 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:36 |amethyst: are you here? 16:47:44 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:03 Hi TZer0. 16:53:23 Grunt: hello. 16:53:58 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 16:57:29 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:58:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:00:45 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-b1-1-g298bc45 17:01:07 Seems like you're getting it figured out :) 17:01:17 Grunt: hopefully. 17:01:19 :P 17:03:20 quick question.. http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.13.patch 17:03:22 this 17:03:28 I don't get anything when pulling 17:04:15 Grunt: any ideas? 17:04:21 I also don't have the files added. 17:05:05 What are you trying to do, exactly? 17:05:14 I tried just doing a git pull 17:05:24 in dgamelaunch-config 17:05:35 That would mean the commit isn't actually in the upstream repository. 17:05:42 great. 17:05:43 Grab the patch, and "git am 0001-Add-0.13.patch" 17:06:17 (plus or minus the file path, of course) 17:09:05 err.. 17:09:07 the patch fails 17:09:12 because I have modified the files 17:09:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:11:14 Ah. 17:11:25 What does git-status tell you right now? 17:11:31 s/git-status/git status/ 17:12:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12:17 kilobyte: trap recolouring is very nice! 17:12:25 I've just commited the stuff I've modified 17:12:26 * Grunt recolours dpeg. 17:12:31 Oh, good. 17:12:40 because that's generally a good thing to do. 17:12:42 :P 17:12:43 <|amethyst> (yeah, I haven't pushed this because I need to iron out my history: there are commits in there for CSZO-only stuff like experimental branches that shouldn't be pushed 17:12:50 Hi |amethyst. 17:12:54 Am I on the right track with my advice here? <_< 17:13:06 |amethyst: fair enough 17:13:18 can't I just force the patch somehow? 17:13:22 <|amethyst> you'll probably have to look at the patch and edit in the relevant changes 17:13:45 <|amethyst> no, and you'll need to fix stuff up (like inprogress directories) anyway 17:14:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14:31 <|amethyst> for the most part that's just copying your existing 0.12 stuff, pasting it again, and replacing "12" with "13" 17:14:39 |amethyst: I know ;) 17:14:50 I wanted to see if I could do it the pretty way first.. 17:14:54 <|amethyst> when I applied the changes on CAO I basically had to re-do it by hand, because of the same issues you see 17:15:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:15 * Grunt pushes |amethyst. 17:16:03 * TZer0 git pull Grunt 17:16:15 <|amethyst> TZer0: (also note that the 0.13 menus in that patch have akrasiac-specific info) 17:16:24 * Grunt merges... 17:16:39 * TZer0 realizes that Grunt is a slime! 17:16:53 * Grunt merges to form a titanic Grunt. 17:17:09 (Two Grunt vaults merge to form a titanic Grunt vault.) 17:17:40 * Bloax eviscerates the titanic Grunt!!!!!! 17:17:44 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17:57 * Grunt is killed! 17:18:15 * TZer0 notices that some of the configs are somewhat different 17:18:17 hmm 17:22:54 <|amethyst> yeah, this patch was from CAO, which uses different directory/file names for some thing, like inprogress and rc files 17:23:11 <|amethyst> The CSZO patch would have had even more conflicts 17:23:23 <|amethyst> because of experimental 17:25:11 -!- BasementCat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:28:30 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32:52 Webtiles server restarted. 17:36:32 Webtiles server stopped. 17:40:38 Webtiles server started. 17:44:51 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:18 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:55 It seems that I managed to do it. 17:47:26 Yay! 17:47:48 but.. but..., 17:47:53 where are my lava orcs? :( 17:49:27 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:50:00 sorry 17:50:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 17:50:08 but your lava orcs are in another castle 17:50:16 instead go play gargoyles 17:50:20 a castle named 0.14 17:50:53 dwants for 0.14 might be something 17:51:04 either way, good night 17:51:07 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 17:55:51 err.. no announcements coming from Lantell about 0.13-stuff 17:55:53 hmm 17:56:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:56:32 <|amethyst> need to patch the list of milestones and logfiles in the bot source 17:59:45 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:25 /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/crawl-0.13/saves/milestones-zotdef 18:00:27 etc. added 18:02:05 oh 18:02:09 I think it might be fixed now 18:02:10 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:02:14 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:29 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:04:28 -!- NotIpsum_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:28 err... 18:05:30 nope 18:06:43 |amethyst: did I have to change something with inotify or something? 18:08:51 Oh, now it works 18:09:09 |amethyst: disregard. 18:11:59 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:14:09 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:15:45 Yup, everything seems to be in order 18:15:54 the game still tries to kill you a lot 18:15:56 :P 18:17:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:48 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:09 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:06 Webtiles server restarted. 18:34:05 -!- rapierx has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:25 -!- Blazinghand is now known as blazingtwoheaded 18:34:36 -!- blazingtwoheaded is now known as Blazinghand 18:58:04 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:00 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:06:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:49 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:11 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13:43 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:04 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:16:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:11 hm, what's the command to leave a message for somebody 19:17:18 it's !message right 19:18:06 is actually !tell 19:18:27 danke 19:19:02 !tell tenofswords i'm gonna start working on the fog machines thing, have you already started on that, also do you want indicators for all fog machines or just harmful ones 19:19:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:03 nicolae-: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 19:19:06 thank you henzell 19:24:21 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:25:31 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:29:30 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:32:08 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32:10 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 19:34:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:03 -!- GiantOwl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:36:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:38:54 -!- Kalir|2 is now known as Kalir 19:38:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:41:50 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? 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21:06:40 hm, is there some lua issue with assigning two markers to the same glyph 21:06:43 man, you really need to magically win an extended game 21:07:14 well, i've visited the hell ends before, but really, since i don't make hell end vaults, i usually don't bother 21:07:28 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:43 but one should know of the hell end vaults as the precident for creating regular hell vaults! or something 21:07:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:42 anyway that's rotating and doubling the center island so there's actual randomization and loot-not-right-by-the-rune in that end, combined with more randomizing stuff 21:09:13 ah, cool 21:09:25 the core vault is still layered octagons though so uhhhh 21:09:37 sometimes linley was really, really lazy 21:10:02 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:22 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:14:26 clearly we need the Wizard of Yelnil 21:14:26 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:14:34 !mesages 21:14:39 !messages 21:14:40 (1/1) kilobyte said (10h 5m 32s ago): it looks like a lot of abyss monsters are eligible for transit, which skews the population distribution. Perhaps only those who came via banishment should be kept? 21:15:18 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:23 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:59 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:28:33 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:31:55 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:35:48 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:38:50 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 21:40:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:40:42 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 21:40:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:41:45 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 21:45:09 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-30-gf0b6e91 21:46:33 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:35 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 21:51:42 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:00:11 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:48 -!- Soner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:45 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:29 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:13:33 * SamB goes to read about Defining Move Special Member Functions 22:13:59 SamB: sounds like a euphemism 22:19:21 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:26:26 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27:10 -!- v41210u5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:29:51 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:29 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:53 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:47:59 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:36 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:28 -!- sumguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:02:10 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:23 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12:43 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12:55 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:15:44 how do I figure out my product version for a bug report? (also, when is it ok to submit a bug report?) 23:15:50 ?V 23:15:55 ty 23:16:05 johnstein: well, what's gone wrong? 23:16:49 can't edit rc for 0.13 beta on CZSO. 0.10, 0.11, 0.12, and trunk all work. 0.13 nothing happens. grunt said he was able to do it in ##crawl. no one else responded. 23:16:58 I closed FF and tried again. no dice. tried again in chrome 23:17:01 |amethyst: pong? 23:17:03 same behavior 23:17:14 hmm, that's not actually a bug in crawl ... 23:17:25 SamB: webtiles is part of crawl! 23:17:27 except perhaps on webtiles 23:17:30 ah. good point. where do I post it then? 23:17:45 or should I just mention it in here and ##crawl every so often? :P 23:17:48 basically !tell |amethyst 23:18:13 Grunt: did webtiles get restarted on cszo yet? 23:18:32 <|amethyst> SamB: it did 23:18:37 <|amethyst> johnstein: let me see 23:18:45 ty 23:18:59 <|amethyst> oh, I know 23:19:05 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:24 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 you'll also need to edit /chroot/bin/init-webtiles.sh to init 0.13 rc/macro files and publish 23:22:25 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 23:22:35 <|amethyst> !tell joosa you'll also need to edit /chroot/bin/init-webtiles.sh to init 0.13 rc/macro files and publish 23:22:36 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 23:23:04 johnstein: okay, for webtiles rc editing issues it theoretically *could* be a crawl bug rather than admin oversight 23:23:11 heh 23:23:17 but it seems it wasn't 23:23:21 I'll just come here next time again 23:23:26 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23:33 I was just all stoked to post my first bug report 23:23:45 aww 23:24:00 <|amethyst> johnstein: is it fixed now? 23:24:01 since my farmer background didn't pan out 23:24:04 I'll try 23:24:30 bingo! 23:24:31 ty 23:28:00 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:37:46 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:41:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:45 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:44:19 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-30-gf0b6e91 (34) 23:49:55 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:36 -!- basementcat has quit [Client Quit] 23:54:07 !lg fapguy dgfi place=d:9 23:54:07 1. fapguy the Protected (L9 DgFi), mangled by a boring beetle on D:9 (hangedman_pestilent_swarm) on 2013-09-26 03:37:06, with 3371 points after 7578 turns and 0:16:19. 23:54:09 !lg fapguy dgfi place=d:9 -log 23:54:10 1. fapguy, XL9 DgFi, T:7578: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/fapguy/morgue-fapguy-20130926-033706.txt 23:59:47 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC]