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(D:1) 03:58:38 !lm * crash -log 03:58:39 5400. jonpbochar, XL1 HaAM, T:25 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/jonpbochar/crash-jonpbochar-20130924-085625.txt 03:59:24 uh, wizard mode? 04:02:02 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:07:01 did we change policy to allow wizard mode on servers at some point when I wasn't paying attention? 04:07:06 (if so, why?) 04:07:28 I just created a new account and do seem to have wizmode access on CAO 04:08:30 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:11:01 hm, it seems like wizmode commands stop working after turn 0 though? 04:14:54 I really don't understand why TURN_ZERO_WIZARD was added... 04:20:39 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:47 -!- AllInTheCards has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:25:01 %git f826be5e 04:25:29 07bh02 * 0.13-a0-2529-gf826be5: Add option to allow entering wizmode on turn 0. 10(9 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f826be5e99a2 04:25:47 -!- Harms_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:31:13 -!- eb has quit [] 04:39:35 !tell bh I just noticed f826be5e and failed to find any discussion of it in a brief glance at IRC logs... what is the purpose of this? Letting everyone use online wizmode has a lot of issues, even on turn 0. It makes it trivial for anyone to hammer the server CPU, it causes spurious crash reports (this is how I noticed it), etc 04:39:36 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 04:40:01 !tell bh I just noticed f826be5e and failed to find any discussion of it... what is the purpose of this? Letting everyone use online wizmode has a lot of issues, even on turn 0. It makes it trivial for anyone to hammer the server CPU, it causes spurious crash reports (this is how I noticed it), etc 04:40:02 elliptic: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:43:17 also, it's quite likely there are easily exploitable crashes 04:43:45 and I mean exploitable to run arbitrary code, not just to cheat with mutations like for ordinary games 04:55:06 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:07:22 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 05:18:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:18:31 -!- coyo7e has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:19:06 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 05:21:21 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:52 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:24:04 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:45 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:24:54 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:26:41 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:11 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Client Quit] 05:32:23 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:34:03 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:39:37 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:22 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 05:44:43 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:55:37 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57:53 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:05 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:05:42 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:26 -!- nonethousand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:27:07 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:35:46 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:13 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:44:37 I am using wizmode on CDO... but I always thought it's only available for (short-listed) developers. 06:45:06 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:49:47 -!- Thyme has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:52:45 dpeg: yes, devs have always had wizmode access... but as of bh's commit, all accounts have wizmode on turn 0 07:01:02 -!- horus92 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:07:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: I think it was unintentional 07:07:56 |amethyst: you mean, unintentional that the option was on? 07:10:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3162-g860433e: Correct inverted TURN_ZERO_WIZARD logic. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=860433ecd096 07:10:06 <|amethyst> elliptic: indeed 07:10:06 <|amethyst> fix incoming 07:10:23 oh, heh, I missed that 07:10:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3162-g860433e (34) 07:10:42 I'm still curious why the option exists if it was intended for use though... 07:10:50 er, s/was/wasn't/ 07:11:36 <|amethyst> maybe some other server admin is less concerned about arbitrary code execution :) 07:12:43 !tell bh oh, |amethyst noticed that the option was only on by default because of reversed logic... I'm still curious why the option exists though :) 07:12:44 elliptic: OK, I'll let bh know. 07:15:18 -!- fmul is now known as enygmata 07:15:41 -!- enygmata is now known as fmul 07:22:10 ZotDef is totally broken because of the summon LOS nerf. What about making summons track their summoner rather than you? 07:22:35 for 0.13, only for friendlies, I see a flamewar for the rest 07:22:52 also, what if the summoner dies? There's nothing to be in LOS of... 07:23:21 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:51 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:03 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:26:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:26:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:32:02 |amethyst: your version of TURN_ZERO_WIZARD looks wrong to me: it denies attempts to enter wizmode only on turn 0, which is inverted too, just a different way 07:34:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it's if (you.num_turns != 0) do nothing 07:34:27 if (Options.wiz_mode == WIZ_NEVER && you.num_turns != 0) 07:34:53 <|amethyst> right 07:34:56 03Translators02 {galehar} 07* 0.13-a0-3163-gea3c308: [Transifex] 10(6 minutes ago, 12 files, 83+ 287-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea3c308993f3 07:34:59 you want to disallow it if WIZ_NO; WIZ_NEVER is a rc file setting to disable it altogether 07:35:18 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Also, and hackishly, // it's used to prevent access for non-authorised users to wizard // builds in dgamelaunch builds unless the game is started with the // -wizard flag. 07:37:29 <|amethyst> WIZ_NO is the usual setting, "still allows player to enter wizard mode after start of game" 07:37:58 <|amethyst> We wouldn't want TURN_ZERO_WIZMODE to *disable* post-turn-zero wizmode for devs 07:38:39 perhaps having devs WIZ_NO could be better 07:40:02 <|amethyst> it's that how it currently works? 07:44:23 <|amethyst> -wizard (passed by dgl for admins) sets starting Options.wiz_mode to WIZ_NO 07:44:41 <|amethyst> and since it's DGL, anything other than WIZ_NO is overridden to WIZ_NEVER 07:44:50 <|amethyst> anyway, I must be going 07:46:11 -!- Morg0th has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 -!- elliptic has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 -!- tensorpudding has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:12 -!- Sabaki has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:12 -!- Grunt has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:12 -!- hhkb has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:13 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:13 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:13 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:19 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:42 -!- |amethyst has quit [Client Quit] 07:46:43 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:03 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 07:47:15 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:50 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:17 -!- petete has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:17 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:04:36 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:45 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:16 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:22:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:30:54 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:35:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:36:16 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:43:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:43:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:44:21 -!- sumguy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:49:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:50:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:25 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:52:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:55:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:56:48 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:59:57 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:00:37 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:05:50 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13:03 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:14:53 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:15:29 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:07 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:26:19 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:33:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:36:04 kilobyte: oops, I could have sworn I tried bulding it before pushing it... 09:38:31 ...oh, that's because I somehow forgot to add that last change before committing :( 09:39:03 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:42:42 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:22 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:04 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:40 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:15 Morning 09:51:16 Cryp71c: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:51:19 !messages 09:51:20 (1/2) |amethyst said (3w 3d 17h 19m 51s ago): any thoughts on Siegurt's proposed change to melee noise code at #7526 ? 09:51:20 !messages 09:51:22 (1/1) |amethyst said (3w 3d 17h 19m 12s ago): I haven't had a chance to see how it worked pre-UCC 09:51:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:53:04 -!- vaeh has quit [Quit: vaeh] 09:53:06 morning 09:53:12 Hi ogaz. 09:53:19 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:21 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:25 hi Grunt. How's life? 09:53:33 It lives. 09:54:33 -!- omeg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:01:05 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 10:02:19 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:02:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:02:46 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:13 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:04:31 -!- sumguy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:16:43 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:19:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:47 !tell amethyst man I'm awesome, I only took 3 weeks to partially respond to your message! 10:22:48 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let amethyst know. 10:23:40 !tell amethyst presuming that the order of how the code operates is accurate to his description, the proposed changes are good improvements to the noise system...albeit low-priority compared to other stuff. 10:23:42 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let amethyst know. 10:24:20 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:37 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: thanks... sounds like maybe it should be left for 0.14 10:33:04 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: btw, !tell accepts | now 10:33:39 <|amethyst> (I can't check messages for "amethyst" because that nick belongs to someone else) 10:33:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 10:35:29 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3164-g09e1df4: Improve a comment. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=09e1df4707da 10:35:31 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:39:57 -!- MisterFister69 is now known as Isvaffel 10:46:33 -!- xxx_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:47:48 <|amethyst> kilobyte: did you want to revert b53826c (IOOD vs submerged)? I don't mind either way 10:48:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but we should pick one so we can close #7520 10:54:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Elena] 10:56:05 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:56:57 -!- coyo7e_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:01:56 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:12 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:03:42 -!- hart_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:07:33 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:08:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:09:49 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:18:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:19:57 -!- djanatyn has quit [Excess Flood] 11:20:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3165-gf095ba3: Improve a comment. 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f095ba30ab74 11:23:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 11:26:58 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:59 -!- Soner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:20 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:15 -!- Vbitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32:05 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33:47 -!- Cronof has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:34:57 -!- DerEiserneBesen is now known as ich 11:38:01 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:51 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:52:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:58:10 @??red Devil 11:58:10 red devil (054) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 22-40 | AC/EV: 7/13 | Dam: 19 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(65), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 318 | Sp: blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:00:34 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:01:48 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:51 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:08:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3165-gf095ba3 (34) 12:10:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:42 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:30 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 12:30:55 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 12:32:48 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:35:15 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:49 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:47 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:07 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:51:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:25 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59:12 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:59:22 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:23 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:34 -!- maha has quit [Client Quit] 13:08:20 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:10:00 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:25 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:37 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:31:54 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:42:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:44:11 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:47:23 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:24 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:54:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:26 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:05:36 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:13:09 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:39 why am i having such a hard time finding this code? a potion of healing is displayed as "potion of healing" but if there are multiples it is displayed as "potions of healing" so somewhere there should be a line of code containing "s and either string, +=, or << but it doesnt exist 14:22:38 I doubt it... plurals are harder than that in crawl 14:23:54 <|amethyst> see the variable need_plural in item_def::name_aux 14:24:48 <|amethyst> basically you need to ask for the DESC_BASENAME instead of DESC_PLAIN if you don't want it pluralised 14:25:08 <|amethyst> (but that can change other parts of the output for things like weapons) 14:25:35 <|amethyst> alternatively, you could fake the item's quantity to 1 before calling item->name() 14:26:12 <|amethyst> but of course if would be bad if you did that and then failed to reset it for whatever reason 14:27:05 <|amethyst> or, all the relevant functions (there are several) could get an extra parameter saying whether they should ignore plurals 14:27:29 <|amethyst> then need_plural = !ignore_plural && !basename && !dbname; 14:37:31 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:41:52 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:21 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:57:46 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:54 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:01:54 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:24 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04:33 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:07 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:07:38 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08:39 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:20:09 * SamB is a bit surprised unary + is allowed on pointers, though he supposed it *is* a bit like 0+ ... 15:23:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:26:06 So I suppose this isn't really that much of a concern of this channel nor something with an easy good solution but 15:26:12 ##crawl is kind of bad 15:26:50 news at 11 15:26:59 yes, also fish swim 15:28:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:16 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:32:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:59 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:33:48 SwissStopwatch: live ones, yes 15:38:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:41:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 15:42:08 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47:30 -!- Vbitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:30 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:55 -!- myndzi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:51:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:52:31 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 15:53:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 15:59:45 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:09 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:05:31 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:51 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Dinner] 16:10:09 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:59 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:23:15 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:17 -!- enygmata has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:52 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:29:09 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:31:32 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:32:36 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:37:28 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:30 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Want to be different? 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precisely because I feel crappy 19:40:25 It worked!! 19:40:26 And I'm not *releasing* anything, just contemplating the 0.13 branch. 19:40:55 Contemplative grunting, one doesn't get that too often. 19:41:42 ah, i see, we differ on our vault-making attitudes 19:41:49 -!- WildSam has quit [Client Quit] 19:41:51 dpeg, how else would cavemen philosophise? 19:42:07 chalkstone on cave wall! 19:42:20 I was assuming that "patchwork" implied FIXING vaults 19:42:37 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:42:46 yeah but some fixes seem like they'd be easier than others 19:45:04 as an example of such ease from my recent fiddling, SHUFFLE: ozRrIUuLO / uLOozRrIU / rIUuLOozR, pZSsJVvMP / vMPpZSsJV / sJVvMPpZS, zRIULO / RzUIOL, ZSJVMP / SZVJPM, HTKW / THWK 19:45:13 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:34 ??black magic[3 19:46:35 black magic[3/3]: SHUFFLE: qS?tViwYJzOl / tViwYJzOKqS? / wYJzOKqS?tVi / zOKqS?tViwY, y&KpRmsUHvXj / vXjy&KpRmsUH / sUHvXjy&KpRm / pRmsUHvXjy&K, SMViYJOK / MSiVJYKO, &KRmUHXj / K&mRHUjX, QmThWIZk / mQhTIWkZ 19:46:42 Try harder. :b 19:46:47 actually, that reminds me, a while ago i found a bug in one of your vaults, hangedman_snake_corridor_cut, the first SHUFFLE is hH / hH / hH which doesn't actually do anything, and was probably meant to be hH / hH / Hh 19:47:11 it was literally me shrinking that shuffle chunk down, actually 19:47:40 so now it's more like darkgray magic 19:47:48 also that is probably right and I'll put that in the list 19:57:31 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59:17 -!- robbje has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:01:39 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:04:42 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:26 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:13:04 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:18 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:16:48 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:57 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:23:40 -!- nicolae- has left 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Use !messages to read them. 20:55:38 I last saw dpeg at Wed Sep 25 00:42:07 2013 UTC (1h 13m 30s ago) saying 'chalkstone on cave wall!' on ##crawl-dev. 20:55:41 !messages 20:55:42 (1/2) elliptic said (16h 15m 40s ago): I just noticed f826be5e and failed to find any discussion of it... what is the purpose of this? Letting everyone use online wizmode has a lot of issues, even on turn 0. It makes it trivial for anyone to hammer the server CPU, it causes spurious crash reports (this is how I noticed it), etc 20:55:52 !messages 20:55:53 (1/1) elliptic said (13h 43m 9s ago): oh, |amethyst noticed that the option was only on by default because of reversed logic... I'm still curious why the option exists though :) 20:56:54 !tell elliptic It was discussed here a while back. If servers decide to take on the abuse risk, I see no reason to restrict wizmode on the first turn 20:56:55 bh: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 20:57:47 Are there any last outstanding things before 0.13 branches out? 20:58:03 Grunt: delete the orb of zot 20:58:16 bh: spurious crash reports, sequell stat abuse, etc... and it's not even useful for any serious testing so why bother? 20:58:16 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:58:19 That would count as a major change :) 20:58:42 generic chimera tile 20:58:46 you start testing something and then you take a turn accidentally and suddenly you have to restart to continue testing 20:59:03 I just don't understand what the use is 20:59:18 I'm assuming that not all players can run the game locally 20:59:20 full wizmode, sure, that would be useful (but devs already have it) 20:59:27 but this isn't that 21:00:37 you can't even use it to run fsim, because wielding the weapon takes a turn 21:00:38 to reason for turn-0 is so people can't stat/streak scum 21:00:55 bh: but it doesn't stop that... people can startscum for the entry vault they want, for instance 21:01:22 so it is just a totally crippled form of wizmode that still has security issues 21:01:24 This isn't Nethack 21:01:27 ??? 21:01:46 You don't have to scum for a book with Remove Curse 21:02:16 It should be disabled by default. If it is on by default, yeah, that's a goof. 21:02:22 I agree that the streak abuse is limited, but I still don't understand what you are actually supposed to do with turn zero wizmode 21:02:40 it's disabled by default now :) 21:02:47 (thanks to |amethyst) 21:02:56 Suppose you're a wretched player and want to see what wizlabs looks like 21:03:28 ...then you pull up the game locally, yes? 21:03:39 Grunt: not everyone can. 21:03:53 -!- petete_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:42 is that worth it 21:05:44 It's controlled by a flag. I assume that most people will keep it turned off. 21:05:56 bh: it seems like a far simpler and more effective solution to this "problem" would be for server admins who don't mind giving out wizmode access to everyone to just give full wizmode access to a robin account 21:06:16 sure, that works 21:07:22 cut away 21:07:47 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:15 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08:16 only reason I can think of for turn 0 wizmode is to enable it for a game (i.e. use it on turn 0 and it's accessible later, don't use it and you can't accidentally wizmode yourself later)... but that's not how the option works 21:08:27 -!- petete has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:38 -!- Arios has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:08:51 geekosaur: oh wait -- I cocked that up? 21:09:04 It's supposed to gate entering wizmode on turn 0 21:09:08 maybe I should say that's not how I understand it as working 21:09:31 If you can only use wizmode commands on turn 0, rather than you can only enter wizmode on turn 0, it should be cut out as bad code 21:09:48 someone else commented that if they move accidentally then they lose ability to wizmode 21:10:07 ugh. 21:10:07 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:22 Just looking at this, the way it's written it does indeed block wizmode commands after turn 0. 21:10:30 bh: right, now you can understand why I was puzzled by what it would be used for :) 21:11:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:11:13 Grunt: was it committed at late o'clock in the evening? 21:11:22 (please say yes) 21:11:24 Date: Wed Jul 24 22:19:04 2013 -0700 21:11:31 Do you consider that late o'clock? 21:12:19 It was a Wednesday -- yes! :) 21:13:27 well -- derp. Just nuke it from orbit 21:18:59 -!- Nivimer has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:59 -!- Nivim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:45 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-3166-gc239fa7: Remove TURN_ZERO_WIZARD (elliptic, bh). 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c239fa778485 21:19:47 is there a crawl button to take a screenshot in tiles? 21:19:55 Cherry-picked 1 commit into master 21:20:08 (the cherrypick is the 0.12.3 changelog, if you're wondering) 21:23:20 wait nvm. figured it out 21:24:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:27:41 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31:08 Grunt: does this mean we're branched? :) 21:31:24 Uh, not yet, no. 21:31:32 Chei will report when I actually do the branch <_< 21:31:43 elliptic: You probably noticed, but I want to remove demons from the abyss. 21:32:09 and what precisely will fill in this large gap 21:32:27 I guess the last thing from last night's discussion from what we wanted to do before branching is done... 21:33:37 do we need ten more new basically-branch-exclusive monsters to compliment seven rather settled ones 21:33:57 tenofswords: we start by adding chimeras 21:34:01 bh: I don't have anything against that as a long-term goal, but we should really figure out how to handle eldritch/abyssal stuff properly first... last I checked there were a lot of inconsistencies and weirdnesses with what things worked on them or what gods appreciated killing them 21:34:34 elliptic: IMO Zin should care, and no one else should kill beyond "oh, you killed something" 21:35:08 there was agreement a bit back about a new holiness to deal with this 21:35:22 <|amethyst> besides that, holiness should be something like a bit field 21:35:34 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:36 <|amethyst> there are several cases where we should do that currently 21:35:38 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 21:35:48 <|amethyst> e.g. deathcaps should be PLANT | UNDEAD 21:35:57 bh: wouldn't it more flavourful to instead enable _everything_ in the Abyss? 21:36:00 why does abyss need the most gimmicky monster in the game to become a regular spawn 21:36:02 <|amethyst> abominations UNDEAD | ELDRITCH (or abyssal) 21:36:50 while there is something mildly pleasing to the idea of potentially encountering anything to actually keep controls on what the branch means the actual "abyss" ought to have a lot higher spawn weight 21:37:57 there is a branch that already contains snippets of everything else in the game at random and is one of the strongest branches, not sure there really needs to be a second 21:38:28 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:47 reducing demons might be ok (the Abyss is still a neqoxec fest) but you'd need something to replace them with. 21:39:22 the current crop of eldritch stuff is not that good, IMO 21:39:31 tenofswords: chimeras are just abominations done right 21:39:38 <|amethyst> Replace demons with humanoids and other player races? 21:39:46 <|amethyst> chimeras would be neat 21:40:10 Superior shoals sand by pubby 21:40:10 I think chimeras are strictly better than aboms because they tell the player what they're fighting 21:40:58 which was the branch tenofswords was referring to with "there is a branch ..." there? 21:41:05 <|amethyst> D ? 21:41:22 not worth coming back 21:41:36 I'm totally cool with the Abyss having random humanoids spawn at a very low rate. 21:41:47 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:35 Vaults? 21:42:50 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 21:42:57 bh: Doesn't it already do that sometimes? I've seen draconian callers down there at any rate 21:43:38 Lightli: some are on the list, yes 21:44:09 oh. I don't know much about monpick except tentacled monstrosities can spawn in swamp 21:44:35 incredibly difficult to read one file 21:45:03 Lightli: wut?? 21:45:16 incredibly difficult for anybody to read one file 21:45:31 It's an incredibly low chance, but they can spawn there 21:45:35 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-3168-g1d9921b: Touch the 0.13 changelog header with the tentative release date. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d9921b7878b 21:45:35 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-3169-ga16bb39: Restore trunk changelog entries removed by 673ecc60. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a16bb39190cc 21:45:36 New branch created: stone_soup-0.13 (0 commits) 21:45:54 And we've branched? 21:45:59 (of course, it gets there before I push the tags) 21:46:07 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:15 %git HEAD 21:46:15 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0: Restore trunk changelog entries removed by 673ecc60. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a16bb39190cc 21:46:18 i have like 3 things to report maybe i should do that 21:46:33 Anyways, what's planned for .14? 21:46:40 nothing 21:47:01 %git stone_soup-0.13 21:47:01 07Grunt02 * 0.13-b1: Touch the 0.13 changelog header with the tentative release date. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d9921b7878b 21:47:04 Good. 21:47:22 Grunt: you should obviously have made the tags BEFORE you pushed the other stuff 21:47:44 I did; I just didn't push everything at the same time for some reason. :b 21:48:06 <|amethyst> let's see what I need to do on CSZO 21:48:07 I guess you just aren't used to fastchei 21:48:17 fastchei 21:48:25 * Grunt 's head explodes from the contradiction. 21:48:41 yes, that makes it difficult to get used to 21:48:52 what is the [next] branch? 21:49:10 Things that are going to land in trunk after the tourney comes (and goes?). 21:49:24 Grunt: yes, and goes 21:49:41 we don't want to distract people from the tourney with the "ooh shiny!" factor ... 21:49:41 buppy: things whose merge was meant to be 0.14-a0 21:49:59 -!- Wahaha has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:05 well, if there are lots of really cool things ... 21:50:16 if it's only marginally cool now is fine? 21:50:44 that's why there was no branching yet 21:51:52 -!- Risthel has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:52:39 will trunk be updated at all? or does everything go into 0.13 and [next]? 21:53:13 .14: the Jump version? 21:53:38 Oh, we need to come up with a 0.13 release codename. 21:53:41 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:43 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:02 ...we could go with the obvious Triskaidekaphobia <_< 21:54:54 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:54:58 From Sludge to Stone 21:55:45 <|amethyst> Pan-Galactic Gargoyle Blasters 21:55:53 * Grunt winces. 21:56:00 oh god the pun 21:56:03 -!- duckroller has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:56:43 |amethyst: that would be better if we had actually removed Pan 21:57:19 well, you added, then removed pan 21:57:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: then we could expect one of our players to write a panegyric 21:58:48 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-b1-0-g1d9921b 21:59:09 so should new stuff (n78291's reworked boots of the assassin look good to me) still be going in next? 21:59:39 How are the boots of the assassin reworked? 21:59:40 Assuming we want people to test 0.13 properly, that seems like a good idea. 22:00:02 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:44 well the old approach was to disable trunk on the servers temporarily, i'm just confused by there being 3 active branches now i guess :P 22:00:52 I don't think there is a problem with putting minor stuff like new unrands and such in 0.14 now really 22:01:12 elliptic: yeah, that doesn't sound all that exciting 22:01:19 I mean how often do you FIND one of them 22:01:46 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:49 well, there's a clash of workflows 22:02:09 but if we're going to have the old one, there's no point in having separate next 22:02:51 true 22:04:27 How about "0.13: Lava Orcs" 22:05:34 <|amethyst> oh, hm 22:05:45 <|amethyst> one piece of weirdness already: 22:05:57 "Fedhas and Yredelemnul in an All-Out Grudge Match!" 22:05:57 ontoclasm: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:06:01 <|amethyst> LO and Djinn have a space and letter reserved in the species selection 22:06:44 %git c5ce8eb 22:06:45 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-3159-gc5ce8eb: Enums for the monster spells/abilities missing tiles. 10(23 hours ago, 2 files, 200+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5ce8eb63336 22:07:16 forest isn't going to get slid in in a point release, right 22:07:27 Forest isn't around for 0.13. 22:07:36 okay 22:07:50 more specifically, no dryads or thorn hunters, right 22:08:12 they can show up in zigs i think? 22:08:13 since vines and brambles still lack tiles 22:08:17 LO and Dj somehow show up for me in 0.13 22:08:30 so maybe they could use enums i guess 22:08:57 i guess it couldn't hurt 22:09:16 what with Bullseye lacking new tiles? 22:09:35 i definitely ran into them in a zig in my current game recently but i have no clue what version it was on at the time 22:09:44 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 22:10:01 kilobyte: well, that's just an overwrite 22:10:31 i'll do it in the next couple of days, right now i should be grading tests 22:10:57 well add any tile enums *before* anyone gets 0.13 selectable in webtiles ... 22:11:37 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I get empty spots (and skipped letters) in the list 22:12:27 kilobyte: are you building from tarballs or something? 22:12:47 it was a quirk of no commits since branching, one needs to "make clean" manually first 22:12:57 ah 22:13:38 -!- Taraiph is now known as Guest37336 22:14:25 <|amethyst> cszo is updated now 22:14:32 <|amethyst> webtiles hasn't been restarted 22:15:14 <|amethyst> and trunk is still the default 22:15:21 <|amethyst> (if you do p from the main menu) 22:16:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:01 <|amethyst> okay, 0.13 is the default now 22:17:23 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13-b1-1-g298bc45: Drop Forest monsters from outside vaults and Ziggurats. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 3+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=298bc45632f1 22:17:38 |amethyst: my mind control must be working better than I thought ;-P 22:17:53 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-1-g9ca6e02: Distinct manual tiles 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ca6e02b50f1 22:18:09 kilobyte: did you drop the prototype vault entirely? 22:18:39 prototype vault? 22:18:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:19:01 yeah, the Forest prototype 22:19:20 ...the spriggan_forest encompass vault still exists. 22:20:11 do the new monsters show up in that vault now? 22:20:15 it does since 0.8, and has no untested monsters 22:20:22 oh, fine 22:21:24 * SamB goes off to do something else ... 22:23:09 i guess i should do something about "metal-bound manuals" 22:23:16 stupid flavour 22:23:19 :Y 22:24:28 if you want it in 0.13 you better do it before webtiles gets restarted ... 22:25:35 anh, they'll survive 22:30:53 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 22:31:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:31:11 Is forest not going in 0.13 for sure? 22:31:22 thankfully 22:31:47 TSO worshippers will have crypt guaranteed (although newCrypt isn't much better than Forest) 22:31:59 (then again, Tomb is better than Forest, so that's not saying much) 22:32:37 -!- Kaydis has quit [Quit: oink] 22:32:59 ... 22:33:09 ontoclasm: if some random unided text makes tiling harder for you, the choise is obvious 22:33:18 haha 22:34:07 hey, we already have monsters devoid of any form comprehensible to the sane mind 22:34:26 @??halfling 22:34:26 halfling (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 6-15 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(8) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 30 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 22:34:29 yeah 22:34:31 yep 22:35:01 fr: fractalline choko manifolds 22:35:23 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 22:37:52 bh: during the first turn after a newarea shift, the player can stand in a wall 22:38:15 -!- Nutzer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:28 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 time to add 0.13 to dgamelaunch and webtiles! there's a patch at http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.13.patch but it might need adjustment. You also need to create the inprogress directory manually (chowned to crawl:crawl), and restart dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere 22:38:30 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 22:38:51 bh: at what point is the player supposed to be shoved and/or wall removed? 22:39:07 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 you'll also need to update your daily rebuild script to add 0.13 22:39:07 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 22:39:25 <|amethyst> !tell j00sa time to add 0.13 to dgamelaunch and webtiles! there's a patch at http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.13.patch but it might need adjustment. You also need to create the inprogress directory manually (chowned to crawl:crawl), and restart dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere. you'll also need to update your daily rebuild script to add 0.13 22:39:26 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 22:39:34 <|amethyst> !tell j00sa time to add 0.13 to dgamelaunch and webtiles! there's a patch at http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.13.patch but it might need adjustment. You also need to create the inprogress directory manually (chowned to crawl:crawl), and restart dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere 22:39:35 |amethyst: OK, I'll let j00sa know. 22:39:47 <|amethyst> err 22:39:53 <|amethyst> !tell joosa time to add 0.13 to dgamelaunch and webtiles! there's a patch at http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.13.patch but it might need adjustment. You also need to create the inprogress directory manually (chowned to crawl:crawl), and restart dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere 22:39:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 22:39:57 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:59 <|amethyst> !tell joosa you'll also need to update your daily rebuild script to add 0.13 22:40:00 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 22:40:25 |amethyst: can we call you |am3thyst now? 22:40:34 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:56 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 also you'll need to link the new logfile/milestones locations into a web-accessible directory 22:40:57 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 22:41:00 <|amethyst> !tell joosa also you'll need to link the new logfile/milestones locations into a web-accessible directory 22:41:01 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 22:43:08 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:25 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark for sequell and CAO's scoring scripts: CSZO and CAO now have 0.13 milestones and logfiles, in locations predictable from the 0.12 ones 22:44:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 22:44:34 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:24 kilobyte: the player should be shoved at generation time 22:50:51 * Grunt shoves bh. 22:50:54 well, I have a hash-reproducible testcase where he's not 22:51:01 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-b1-1-g298bc45 22:51:10 ...take this abyss and shove it... 22:51:23 kilobyte: then that's a bug. Though the generator should never put a wall on your position 22:51:30 is the terrain getting made and then the player moved? 22:52:49 -!- minced has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:52:50 <|amethyst> !tell tzer0 you might have to make the /crawl-master/crawl-0.13 directory by hand first; I had an update to do that on CSZO but apparently not CAO 22:52:51 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 22:52:54 <|amethyst> !tell joosa you might have to make the /crawl-master/crawl-0.13 directory by hand first; I had an update to do that on CSZO but apparently not CAO 22:52:55 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 22:53:18 bh: http://sprunge.us/gPgU 22:55:27 <|amethyst> !tell tzer0 and the bot's milestone list 22:55:28 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 22:55:31 <|amethyst> !tell joosa and the bot's milestone list 22:55:32 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 22:56:21 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:35 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:21 <|amethyst> Grunt: quickest way I know to get a milestone :) 22:57:32 <|amethyst> doh 22:57:35 <|amethyst> :) 22:58:21 <|amethyst> cao is updated except for the bots (and webtiles needs a restart) 22:58:31 !lg . won -log 22:58:31 6. bh, XL27 GrEE, T:204969: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/bh/morgue-bh-20130723-013438.txt 22:58:41 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:51 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3141-g1c94edb: Purge some racial missiles code. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c94edbbaeba 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3142-g2c076af: A new throwing missile, tentantively named "tomahawk". 10(4 days ago, 15 files, 57+ 74-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c076aff364b 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3143-g7dd46ea: Change hand axes of returning in baileys to tomahawks. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7dd46eaea7bf 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3144-g8394718: Generate monsters with tomahawks rather than throwing weapons. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8394718f4d23 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3145-gdf89f4c: Mark all weapons as non-throwable. Can still be fumble-thrown. 10(4 days ago, 2 files, 82+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df89f4c26ec4 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3146-g6cbcb2d: Purge obsolete code for quivering weapons. 10(4 days ago, 5 files, 23+ 92-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cbcb2d290a7 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3147-gfabd5e0: Remove the returning brand for weapons. 10(4 days ago, 14 files, 9+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fabd5e008e9f 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3148-g7b201d5: Purge a small part of monster thrown weapon AI. 10(4 days ago, 8 files, 29+ 84-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b201d5282c5 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3149-g2da1b72: Purge the code for throwing (rather than fumbling) weapons. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 70+ 134-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2da1b722c711 23:01:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3150-g20b3437: Always id weapons on wield. 10(4 days ago, 5 files, 5+ 59-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20b3437a0c17 23:01:22 ... and 7 more commits 23:02:27 <|amethyst> hm 23:02:33 <|amethyst> I guess chei didn't get the tag 23:02:36 <|amethyst> %git master 23:02:37 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-18-g94e1b85: Merge branch 'next' 10(5 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94e1b8560f13 23:02:44 was wondering about that 23:02:49 <|amethyst> hmm 23:03:14 (in fact I considered asking if that was the right tag...) 23:03:28 so weapon throwing got removed? 23:03:31 that's because those are from BEFORE the tag 23:03:35 Lightli: yeah 23:03:40 it just did 23:03:44 What about poor Lehudib's Crystal Spear 23:03:45 those commits are not reachable from 0.14-a0 23:04:09 (you know, the fixedart spear) 23:04:13 <|amethyst> oh 23:04:14 <|amethyst> %git 1c94edb 23:04:14 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-3141-g1c94edb: Purge some racial missiles code. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c94edbbaeba 23:04:31 see, this one was already on the "next" branch 23:04:36 <|amethyst> ah, I see 23:04:42 <|amethyst> it was a merge 23:04:47 %git 9312efc0eb9066f0253d8e7d4cf38f33aeffc274 23:04:47 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-3156-g9312efc: Don't generate Lehudib's crystal spear the unrand. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9312efc0eb90 23:04:49 Chei is being a bit thick about this 23:04:54 <|amethyst> %git 23:04:54 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-18-g94e1b85: Merge branch 'next' 10(7 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94e1b8560f13 23:05:13 what, no unrand javs? 23:05:33 <|amethyst> SamB: no, chei's being correct; I just didn't know these were merged instead of being rebased 23:05:34 SamB: no artefact missiles 23:05:39 nor staves, for that matter 23:05:51 <|amethyst> %git master^1 23:05:51 07ontoclasm02 * 0.14-a0-1-g9ca6e02: Distinct manual tiles 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ca6e02b50f1 23:05:52 <|amethyst> %git master^2 23:05:52 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-3156-g9312efc: Don't generate Lehudib's crystal spear the unrand. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9312efc0eb90 23:05:53 Olgreb's and Wucad Mu are weapons 23:06:20 |amethyst: I meant it would be more helpful if Chei would report the merge itself, rather than re-reporting the first N commits of it 23:06:35 Can't Lehudib's Crystal Spear be an exception, similar to the Autumn Katana? 23:06:54 ogaz: well, how would you throw it then? 23:06:54 Webtiles is asking that we replace paralyze with petrify as a hell effect 23:07:04 bh: how so? 23:07:11 oh, didn't think it that far through 23:07:13 SamB: Petrify kicks in after a few turns 23:07:20 Paralyze hits you instantly 23:07:39 next they'll want to be able to eat acid blobs 23:07:39 oh, you mean tileschat 23:07:41 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:07:43 the answer to that is simple 23:08:05 bh: I thought you were commenting on some wrong-tile-shown issue 23:08:08 Make Lehudib's Crystal Spear an artifact javelin that always returns to you 23:09:02 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:09:16 Lightli: and doesn't mulch, I guess 23:09:22 right 23:09:34 isn't that part of the "artefact" shtick? 23:09:38 ...why does this idea actually not sound that terrible 23:09:50 Lehudib's Crystal Javelin 23:09:57 (Clearly have it cast the actual spell when thrown <_<) 23:10:00 Lightli: one problem is that people might expect polearms skill to matter 23:10:01 oh right, "spear" :p 23:10:15 (Spellpower gained with Throwing...) 23:10:21 oh, is there a spell with spear in the name? 23:10:26 ... 23:10:28 ??lcs 23:10:29 lcs[1/2]: AKA: Lehudib's Crystal Spear or just crystal spear. Level 8 Conjurations/Earth spell, found only in Book of Annihilations and randart Sif gifts. 10d22 at max power, theoretically, and unresistable. The strongest single target conjuration, but its range is one square less than that of Iron Shot. 23:10:34 ... 23:10:42 that needs changing too ... 23:10:46 ... 23:10:47 what 23:10:48 MarvinPA: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:11:01 -!- Taraip has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:11:06 <|amethyst> SamB: or not... you can't throw shots or arrows either 23:11:15 <|amethyst> or bolts 23:11:20 that's DIFFERENT 23:11:30 i think most people probably understand that spells are not items 23:11:32 we don't have a "speargun" 23:11:39 FR: lehudib's crystal tomahawk 23:11:47 lol 23:12:10 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:17 elliptic: clearly rename Iron Shot. 23:12:20 <|amethyst> BTW, I saw that some people were uncomfortable with 'tomahawk' because real ones aren't exclusively throwing 23:12:24 darn, startup IS slow 23:12:36 so how come throwing actual weapons got removed? 23:12:41 FR: an unrand "the giant spiked rock" 23:12:45 <|amethyst> if that's a problem, 'francisca' might be a better (if less recognisable) name 23:12:54 What, was my mentioning of throwing a distortion hand axe too terrifying to comprehend? 23:13:17 just make sure ontoclasm doesn't draw them as a cute girl? 23:13:29 dear god no 23:13:50 |amethyst: yeah, I just wanted to make sure the bikes won't get rained on first; I dislike the name too 23:14:11 <|amethyst> Lightli: 1. because of non-stacking in inventory, it was annoying to actually rely on; 2. it led to strangeness with identification (since you didn't need to wield and risk curses to determine the plusses) 23:14:33 sure, that makes sense 23:14:52 I consider 2. to be a non-issue 23:15:01 <|amethyst> the new item is there so that all those orcs with stacks of axes don't get upgraded to javelins 23:15:02 oh, what about the wield-to-ID-pluses thing 23:15:08 3. people thinking the axes/short blades/maces/polearms skill helps 23:15:21 I never thought that 23:15:30 Lightli: well some people are silly 23:15:34 will tomahawks be generated consistently in the early game? having a bunch of garbage to throw at things is nice on bad combos 23:15:42 <|amethyst> I've seen people ask if polearms helps with javelins even! 23:15:54 ogaz: did you see lots of hand axes on orcs? 23:15:57 also 4. people thinking that non-returning brands work when throwing 23:16:06 SamB: no, but lots of clubs and daggers on goblins and stuff 23:16:08 a for tomahawk/francisca, the only thing that keeps them axey is some baileys 23:16:16 elliptic: yeah that 23:16:47 elliptic: I knew they didn't work, although the idea of ranged distortion brand...is dumb 23:16:53