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'Nyo.'"] 00:34:48 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3153-g497d563 00:36:41 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:40:22 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:36 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:02 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:50:54 -!- lordarticus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:51:38 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:06 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:49 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:38 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:56:49 -!- coyo7e has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:58:02 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:13 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02:53 -!- sumguy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:04:15 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:43 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 01:06:37 -!- eb has quit [] 01:09:09 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:09:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:09:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:10 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:19 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:42 !tell SamB After giving formatted_scroller a closer look, it doesnt seem to be a good fit for item descriptions. 01:23:44 Naruni: OK, I'll let samb know. 01:26:19 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:31:23 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:31:58 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:09 !apt na 01:32:10 Na: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 5!, Stab: 0, Shields: -2, Traps: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 3!, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 2, MP: 0 01:39:05 !lg cryp71c spen 01:39:06 430. Harkenn the Backstabber (L15 SpEn), worshipper of Ashenzari, killed by the power of Zot on Slime:5 on 2013-05-22 19:01:31, with 104050 points after 31908 turns and 1:50:27. 01:39:26 !lg cryp71c spen won 01:39:27 4. Delphic the Thanatomancer (L27 SpEn), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-08-20 02:41:46, with 1336897 points after 113721 turns and 7:47:19. 01:39:44 !won . 01:39:45 Naruni has won once in 220 games (0.45%): 1xSpEn 01:39:58 once! 01:40:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:42:27 -!- SpessMahren has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:46 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:47:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:05:41 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:59 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:43 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:21 !won . 02:31:21 No games for Silent_Samurai. 02:31:46 -!- Silent_Samurai is now known as Somefellow 02:32:52 !won . 02:32:52 Somefellow has not won in 15 games. 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59s ago): After giving formatted_scroller a closer look, it doesnt seem to be a good fit for item descriptions. 11:52:06 !tell Naruni what seems to be the problem with formatted_scroller? 11:52:07 SamB: OK, I'll let naruni know. 11:55:06 SamB: morning :) 11:55:06 Naruni: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:55:46 hmm, not precisely what I call the morning but then I didn't actually get up in the morning today ... 11:55:47 SamB: formatted scroller does not word-wrap lines, also it looks like it is designed to work with an itemized list, not actual blocks of text 11:55:58 hmm 11:56:26 the framework is good, but it runs into problems when trying to do different things related to items 11:56:59 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:57:06 for instance, a piece of armour would have actions (drop wear inscribe takeoff) which would be a good use of formatted scroller, but not better than the current implementation 11:57:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:57:41 one line per menu item for items = lots of screen real estate vs a string displayed with waiting input for a matching key 11:57:56 then the other problem is with spellbooks / rods 11:58:23 a formatted scroller would be fine, but it wouldnt display correctly the description of the book/rod 12:00:28 <|amethyst> what if you line break yourself and use add_text(s, true) ? 12:01:02 <|amethyst> ("yourself" meaning with linebreak_string()) 12:01:24 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:26 <|amethyst> err, maybe you don't need the true 12:01:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:02:10 |amethyst: this is where formatted_scroller acts odd (or at least i dont quite understand it). what would happen is the linebreak would either a) wrap to a new line causing the formatted_scroller to treat that entry as a new item or b) when the next item would be added, the wrapped line would be overwritten 12:02:50 <|amethyst> it's supposed to do a., so there is one "item" in the formatted scroller per line 12:02:52 a very simple useage of formatted scroller is in mutation.cc 12:02:53 <|amethyst> is that a problem? 12:04:29 |amethyst: not on the surface, but once the deeper inner workings of formatted_scroller jump out, i believe it does. say a description calculates out to 3 lines. then it needs to display the spells from the rod, which make new selectable items. 12:05:31 the lookup spell function inside create_item_description would need to hardcode selectable menu items to keys (a, b, c...) 12:06:23 * SamB didn't think we really wanted to use the "menu" aspect at all 12:07:00 so now we have selectable menu items, which will act similar to an inventory screen, but blocks of text which should be 'unselectable' but the formatted_scroller object doesnt support some selectable some not 12:07:14 hmm 12:07:17 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:22 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:40 I could be wrong ... 12:08:13 ill have to look and see if formatted scroller will accept key input, then i could just splash a line at the bottom and wait for a certain keypress like it currently does 12:08:24 im certain it should 12:09:03 <|amethyst> it does, see how display_mutations works 12:09:24 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12.3-0-g1000ab5 12:10:09 |amethyst: mutation_menu.getkey() there it is 12:10:51 <|amethyst> Naruni: Also, you can specify the hotkey when you add items 12:11:05 <|amethyst> but things like "d"rop etc should not be done with items, but with getkey 12:11:43 |amethyst: that makes sense 12:12:17 <|amethyst> I think rod and book spells are the only place you'd need a hotkey? 12:12:27 |amethyst: why doesnt describe_mutations utilize mutation_menu.title? 12:12:53 |amethyst: all items will need hotkeys, wield weapons, wear rings, so on... 12:13:18 <|amethyst> Naruni: describe_mutations doesn't have a menu 12:13:23 <|amethyst> Naruni: because it's also used in the dump 12:13:28 ah 12:13:40 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 12:13:51 <|amethyst> Naruni: right, but as I just said, those aren't "hotkeys" 12:14:22 <|amethyst> I'm using that term specifically for the things that you assign to menu items 12:14:33 <|amethyst> not the stuff handled by calling getkey() after the menu 12:15:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:58 you confused me 12:16:11 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 12:16:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3153-g497d563 (34) 12:16:52 hotkey vs getkey? 12:17:37 <|amethyst> oh, wait 12:17:55 <|amethyst> hotkeys aren't what you want at all unless you subclass 12:18:03 <|amethyst> because they just jump to the corresponding line 12:18:18 <|amethyst> so really your formatted_scrollers will add everything as text 12:18:46 <|amethyst> and you'll use getkey() afterwards in a wrapper function (maybe with a loop to re-show the menu for some keys) 12:19:22 <|amethyst> hotkeys are the second parameter to add_item_string and add_item_formatted_string, but don't seem to be what you want 12:19:23 so when i append spells into the scroller body, ill have to figure out how to make sure the proper key gets mapped to the proper spell 12:20:00 see thats the other thing, i think i need to read add_item_string and figure out whats different between that and add_text 12:20:12 * SamB wonders if switching to C++11 will result in spending a lot of time in the copy-constructor for std::string ... 12:20:44 <|amethyst> Naruni: key = scr.getkey(); if (key >= 'a' && key < 'a' + numspells) { int bookslot = key - 'a'; } 12:22:11 <|amethyst> Naruni: add_text does the split-on-newline for you 12:22:31 |amethyst: what is numspells in that? 12:22:40 <|amethyst> Naruni: number of spells in the book or rod 12:22:47 ah 12:23:03 <|amethyst> current code has to do something similar anyway I imagine 12:23:19 what if someone resizes the window ... 12:23:20 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:02 <|amethyst> SamB: then the text doesn't reflow any wider 12:25:19 <|amethyst> but it still works 12:25:44 <|amethyst> I guess if they narrow the screen that could be a problem 12:26:02 <|amethyst> would have to exit and reenter the menu then 12:31:33 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:04 formatted_scroller doesn't re-draw lines when the window is resized (webtiles) 12:34:44 s/resized/shrunk 12:35:02 yes, that much was obvious 12:35:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:40:10 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:25 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:51:58 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:55 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:52 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:39 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:12 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:07:55 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 13:08:14 -!- Aponym has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:16:33 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:36 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:16 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:29 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:53 -!- hurdos3 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52:43 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:54:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:55:57 -!- Xenobreeder|lapt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:59:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 13:59:57 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:10 Make wretched star mutations less frequent, but individually more severe by pubby 14:03:54 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:38 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:08:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:20:52 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:21:33 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:56 You feel a terrible foreboding... _Frost spreads across the Frost-covered floor. 14:22:31 didn't see any response a few hours ago, thought i might mention it again 14:22:50 i'm wearing an unid'd randart amulet and i can tell through % that it has +Stealth, even though it remains unknown 14:22:53 is that intended behavior? 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I completely missed that point :O 16:40:24 hey dpeg, as the maker of what I consider to be the only interesting cocytus ending, want to quickly assess my work in progress cocytus end 16:40:53 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:41:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:41:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46:08 tenofswords: oh, what a praise. I had absolutely no clue what I was doing back then; I just felt we need more endings :) 16:46:15 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:46:15 give me a link? 16:46:23 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:22 well, in making a wide open level and going directly against the old form it started off the slow but good trend of how the hell ends that aren't like the originals tend to be a lot more interesting 16:48:29 http://sprunge.us/MNCX 16:50:19 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:50:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 16:53:18 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:00 kraken simulacrum <3 16:54:52 your map is very regular... it would probably benefit from SUBVAULTing, but no idea if you feel like that :) 16:55:11 (e.g. for the SW triangular area) 16:55:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:10 I was going for very minimal terrain randomization since the other cocytus ends lack it too, but I could see some potential interest from that sure 16:56:33 just from reading the map: looks good to me 16:56:38 (and the south-west portion is a very selective, small throw-back to coc_old) 16:56:39 are you using secret doors there? 16:56:44 ah, good point 16:57:29 = is just being used as a door substitution glyph, it is a weird habit of mine but hopefully nobody but really old people will remember secret doors after a point :P 16:58:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:59:17 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:15 as a side note, I wish cocytus had a little more variety in it, as strong as the blizzard demon / ice fiend duo are 17:02:49 much more flexibility in the element/themes of the other three hells 17:04:50 Go ahead! :) 17:06:14 Roshnak (L20 OgBe) ASSERT(mons_habitat(this) == HT_WATER) in 'mon-ench.cc' at line 1183 failed. (Vaults:5) 17:06:23 ...well, while it'd be easy to shove blizzard demons into the other ends, I was thinking more "somebody go make a new ice monster" which is outside of my territory 17:06:55 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:07:30 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:09:50 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10:36 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:02 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:22 tenofswords: icicle-thrower that impales you, preventing movement, until it melts 17:16:27 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:28 or something that makes ice cages 17:16:28 or both 17:16:51 a new unique "Ice Cube" 17:17:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:41 ooh, what about wendigos? 17:19:06 * kilobyte sics a wendigo simulacrum at Eronarn. 17:19:28 'Whenever a wendigo ate another person, it would grow in proportion to the meal it had just eaten, so that it could never be full.' 17:20:15 except there's quite little a monster can eat: pretty much just felids and HOPr 17:20:56 Discord might somewhat help :p 17:21:23 clearly it'll just take bites out of its fellow monsters, instead of eating the whole thing 17:21:40 half an ice fiend, still a big meal 17:21:52 kilobyte: a raven can gobble up a giant corpse in one turn 17:22:24 still not many corpses in cocytus 17:22:32 even if wendigo eat other wendigo corpses 17:22:38 antaeus! 17:23:25 -!- Pisano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:01 i meant wendigos as a type of demon (for at least as long as rakshasas remain demons rather than evil spirits), though 17:24:30 cold immune, and with some cold related abilities, but not actually highly cold damaging 17:26:46 * kilobyte mumbles something about hellfrost. 17:27:53 -!- petete has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:28:16 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:41 icicleball 17:32:56 icicle burst 17:35:25 ring of icicles 17:37:04 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:37:11 bicicle 17:40:33 kilobyte: do you agree that elliptic's c-r-d reply was decisive enough to just go with your throwables commit? 17:41:14 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:42:24 that was my reasoning too, auto-id hardly matters 17:42:36 ...oh _merde_, empty space in an encompass vault actually makes the vault place less?? 17:42:41 if I had to decide today, I'd merge it 17:42:43 erm, large chunks of 17:43:37 stupid level generator being stupid 17:44:05 ASSERT(you.can_pass_through_feat(grd(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 455 failed. 17:44:23 yay, it starts taking a day on a fast machine for the stress test to bring something to debug 17:45:10 also when did X^f stop actually clearing &D or &{ 17:45:28 water habitat crash some player got earlier suggests it's time to extend the coverage to non-abyssal monsters 17:45:38 or alternatively, to let everything spawn in the Abyss 17:47:15 tenofswords: what do you mean? 17:47:34 maybe it's just tiles 17:48:11 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Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:11:51 <|amethyst> Check with kilobyte to see if he knows of any pending crash bugs 22:12:18 <|amethyst> but assuming everything low-hanging has been fixed, it probably makes sense to branch 22:12:35 <|amethyst> Then maybe 2, 3 weeks for release 22:12:44 <|amethyst> 2 is probably fine 22:13:34 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:43 <|amethyst> that said, we probably shouldn't merge next until the tournament begins (or people will avoid beta) 22:13:50 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:09 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:14:16 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:26 -!- Xenobreeder_ is now known as Xenobreeder 22:14:51 <|amethyst> Server admins will need a message they can post in the webtiles and DGL banners 22:15:37 I'll want *something* to add to 0.14 so I can tag 0.14... :) 22:16:13 <|amethyst> Grunt: How about the "disable trunk on servers for the tournament" commit? :) 22:16:33 That would require news of the tournament. :b 22:16:41 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:47 Perhaps I'll re-apply bh's abyssal tweaks post-branch; that's a simple enough change. 22:16:49 <|amethyst> talk with elliptic, but I think we can schedule it for the day of release 22:18:15 tournament will presumably be shortly after release as normal, yes (do we have any idea when release will be? :P) 22:18:15 <|amethyst> !tell elliptic how long do you think it would take to get tournament banners etc designed? I think release + tournament around 11 October would be reasonable 22:18:16 |amethyst: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 22:18:19 <|amethyst> doh 22:18:23 !messages 22:18:24 (1/1) |amethyst said (7s ago): how long do you think it would take to get tournament banners etc designed? I think release + tournament around 11 October would be reasonable 22:18:52 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18:59 elliptic, apparently someone else wants to set the tournament date before we set a branch date! 22:19:30 <|amethyst> I could set a branch date for 27 September 22:19:42 <|amethyst> this Friday 22:19:50 -!- enygmata has quit [Quit: zzz] 22:19:50 <|amethyst> but we could probably do earlier 22:20:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:20:06 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:41 Well, I'm prepared to go ahead and do that as soon as I get a sense that nobody has any remaining issues with doing so. 22:20:52 <|amethyst> hm 22:21:01 <|amethyst> maybe placeholder tiles for other monster spells? 22:21:13 Do the monster spell tiles actually display anywhere? 22:21:17 <|amethyst> not strictly necessary, but we can't add more to 0.13 after release 22:21:23 <|amethyst> Grunt: in ?/s 22:21:27 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:28 trunk is a better state than .0 usually are 22:21:57 so these "placeholder" tiles; do they need tiles or can you just add them? 22:22:06 also how do new tiles break compat? 22:22:27 <|amethyst> You at least need enums, but I'm not sure if you can add the enum without a tile 22:22:52 but I guess we already have a question mark thing anyway? 22:22:54 |amethyst: Oct 11/12 start date for tourney sounds fine from my end, or a week later than that 22:23:47 <|amethyst> SamB: if tile indexes change, you can end up with incorrect tiles showing 22:23:56 <|amethyst> SamB: oh, right, that would work 22:24:25 <|amethyst> SamB: in trunk webtiles we avoid that by having a separate directory and URL path for each version 22:24:32 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24:35 <|amethyst> SamB: but for releases we only have one directory 22:24:44 |amethyst: oh 22:24:46 <|amethyst> SamB: see jpeg's section in docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt 22:24:48 I see 22:25:06 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:35 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:26:27 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:27 -!- Taraiph is now known as Guest14957 22:27:28 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm any placeholder tile enums (monster spells etc) you want to add before we branch 0.13-b1 ? After release we can change tiles but not add new ones. 22:27:29 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 22:27:33 -!- Guest14957 has quit [Client Quit] 22:27:42 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm otherwise, let Grunt know and we can branch 22:27:43 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 22:30:07 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:19 -!- lavos has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 22:31:29 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:39 -!- Quashie has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:33:47 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 22:34:24 |amethyst: wouldn't changing tiles work badly too, at least if any sizes changed? 22:34:35 -!- indspenc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:11 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:24 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:47 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:36 I think at least webtiles would suffer 22:38:47 yeah, that's what I meant 22:38:53 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:38:55 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:02 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:34 I don't really think it matters at ALL for local? 22:40:10 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:42 (my understanding is that tile indexes are migrated by name?) 22:41:29 -!- myndzi\ has quit [] 22:41:30 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:11 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:31 LMFAO "Crackling balls of pure energy hum and spark up and down its scaled fists and arms." balls. hum. energy. 22:50:16 im going nuts reading this describe.cc 22:50:22 it doesnt make sense 22:50:38 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:50:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:53:45 !lm * type=crash -log 22:53:46 5399. Roshnak, XL20 OgBe, T:32739 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Roshnak/crash-Roshnak-20130923-220614.txt 22:54:01 I don't get this one, nor can reproduce it 22:54:39 shapeshifters clear enchantments upon shifting, so how could the fish->wolf retain ENCH_AQUATIC_LAND? 22:55:58 -!- Xenobreeder|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:18 <|amethyst> geah, size changes would be bad 22:56:22 <|amethyst> s/g/y 23:00:36 |amethyst: basically, what we want to avoid doing is invalidating the geometry informationin those .js files? 23:00:48 mon-stuff.cc line 3156: // Pick a monster species that's guaranteed happy at this grid. 23:00:58 did that have anything to do with it? 23:01:51 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:03:32 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:04 or even mon-stuff.cc line 3066 23:04:10 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:51 all i saw for del_ench was invis, then a handling for submerged 23:05:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:07:40 Wow, there are a lot of monster spells lacking in tiles. 23:09:03 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:19 hmm, looks like we're going to have to convert descriptions to formatted_scroller ourselves ... 23:09:52 <|amethyst> probably a description_scroller subclass makes sense 23:09:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:05 -!- HideItInNarnia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:11:40 Naruni hasn't managed to wrap his (her?) head around the description code in a whole week 23:11:51 his and i feel bad about it 23:12:31 don't feel bad about it ... I haven't felt competent to do much at all lately ... 23:12:38 i'm very uncomfortable with text manipulation 23:12:42 -!- namad7 has quit [] 23:12:57 i can fix the damn cloud info leak and code automagic though :) 23:13:28 i just want to help... i think ill go back to trying to pick and choose simple little bugs to squash to get the outstanding list whittled down 23:14:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:55 -!- indspenc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:28 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:25:12 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:25:37 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-3159-gc5ce8eb: Enums for the monster spells/abilities missing tiles. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 200+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5ce8eb63336 23:26:20 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:06 !tell ontoclasm I already got there (see c5ce8eb), but if you want to work on some of those tiles, you should be able to do so at your leisure. 23:27:07 Grunt: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 23:34:35 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:38:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:38:35 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:12 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 23:41:04 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:17 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-3159-gc5ce8eb (34) 23:44:20 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-3160-g189c592: Some monster spell tiles. 10(2 minutes ago, 11 files, 18+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=189c592e0a8c 23:44:48 ontoclasm, there's a few messages in your inbox (nothing urgent though!). 23:44:49 :) 23:45:01 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 23:45:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:48:50 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:51 * Grunt makes a silly Henzell pull request that he's been meaning to do for a while... 23:57:58 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev