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monsters too. 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77db7acd7d41 06:39:57 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:41:05 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:36 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:04 new DS mutations already, woo-hoo :) 06:45:04 dpeg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:45:17 There is always a price to pay. I pay in messages. 06:48:01 dpeg: would you care to check the syntax of hangedman_glass_garden? I'm not sure if I read it right: no idea why it can fail with "Unable to find exit from hangedman_glass_garden" 06:58:10 <|amethyst> kilobyte: which branch? 06:59:43 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it looks kind of like, outside of D, you're only guaranteed one door, and there could be lava blocking the path inside that door 06:59:47 |amethyst: the Abyss 07:00:10 not sure if lava is enough to trigger the error 07:02:30 <|amethyst> ooh, hm 07:02:35 <|amethyst> s/oo/o/ 07:02:51 <|amethyst> that message implies that there are no doors at all on map edge 07:02:55 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:04:01 <|amethyst> aha 07:04:15 <|amethyst> ''' ''' 07:04:15 <|amethyst> 'MmM+MmM' 07:04:16 <|amethyst> 'MmAA.BBMM' 07:04:16 <|amethyst> 'MmA..2..BmM' 07:04:34 <|amethyst> One of those Ms doesn't touch the edge diagonally 07:04:42 <|amethyst> (the third M in the third line) 07:05:15 ... oh, missed that 07:09:10 kilobyte: "Also, I don't think we use STL hashes anywhere". Do you mean STL::map? 07:09:10 <|amethyst> (err, second M in the third line of course) 07:09:42 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:14 map is deterministic, unordered_map is not 07:10:39 it would be nice if we could use the latter, but that's C++11 07:10:57 ok. Pretty sure I only used map 07:11:46 kilobyte: also, you hinted in a few commit messages at ordering keys in desc files 07:11:57 it's trivial to do it with the tx interface 07:12:11 and it would maybe simplify a few things 07:12:18 so, I'm all for it :) 07:12:50 some files like monster.txt separate entries into regular, vault and sprint 07:13:41 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:58 to make it easier to find sprint and vault monsters? 07:16:03 not sure if that's a reason good enough 07:17:34 also, I'm considering moving quotes back to their own resource. Mixed with the descs, people seems compelled to translate them 07:18:11 would be simpler if I sort the file 07:18:19 but I can do it just for this one 07:20:00 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:21:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: btw, the guy who did the mac build on reddit may show up here at some point; they're "frogor" in Freenode 07:26:35 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:50 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:29:10 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:36:04 kilobyte: I am afraid I cannot help on this on. Abyss vaults are a mystery to me. Sorry :( 07:36:43 <|amethyst> dpeg: I think we figured that one out, or at least part of the problem. There was a typo of "M" for "m" at one spot 07:37:54 ah, cool 07:41:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I'm assuming you've already patched the glass_garden fix and are just waiting for a larger batch before you push? 07:41:16 <|amethyst> s/patched/done/ 07:43:56 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:44:22 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:46:15 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:47:55 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:50:25 -!- w4ldfee has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:51:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:53:00 -!- waldfee has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:18 actually, I assumed the same 07:55:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:55:30 -!- athros has quit [Client Quit] 07:55:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:29:38 -!- enygmata has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:33 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:35 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:19 -!- hayuto has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:19 -!- Porost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:36 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:43 heya 09:02:38 Hi! 09:12:31 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:15:28 -!- mineral has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:30 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17:41 hi dpeg 09:18:04 any advice on how to constrain an over eager developer? 09:19:06 disguise yourself as a pissed off player and complain about his changes? 09:19:15 publicly 09:19:26 then talk about it in your undisguised state 09:19:31 trickery and deceit are the best 09:19:35 developers have to listen to player opinions?!? when did that happen? 09:19:59 no, thats just an excuse so you dont come across as a jackass 09:20:31 :) 09:22:12 if things don't improve, I can try to get him hooked up on crawl. you already took at least crazy developer out of the nethack community 09:22:28 i was about to suggest drugs, but crawl may work also 09:23:00 its also cheaper 09:24:48 bhaak: nobody can stop a rampaging developer! 09:25:47 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:25:55 D-: 09:26:04 -!- rjrrt has quit [Client Quit] 09:26:42 insomnia, paranoia and megalomania are all part of the job description for DCSS devs 09:27:11 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:47 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:36:01 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:14 -!- F-Glex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:37:01 -!- Melum_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:37:39 -!- ens has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:59 -!- ens has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:15 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:42:56 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 09:47:51 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:42 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:53 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:00:00 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:43 ??tv 10:00:43 tv[1/2]: An array of television channels are available by telnetting to termcast.develz.org, broadcasting recordings of (parts of) Crawl games, both user-controlled and automated. See also {footv}, {fightclub}, or !tvdef channelname for other channels. 10:01:01 !msg Henzell ??tv[2] 10:01:04 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:01:04 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 10:12:18 -!- TomPliss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:20:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3020-g3ce4a4b: Fix a rare error in hangedman_glass_garden. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ce4a4bd1ed1 10:20:31 <|amethyst> kilobyte: okay, then :) 10:25:19 -!- rjrrt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:26:25 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:11 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:14 -!- axujen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31:28 -!- DEMo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:29 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:38:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:57 -!- quazi has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:24 -!- rjrrt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:52:03 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:02:38 -!- Dalvant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:58 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:28 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04:28 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:04:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:08:21 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3021-g883680b: Let a string get out of scope in end(), for valgrind's sake. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 35+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=883680b4d8b7 11:08:21 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3022-gcfa97cc: Fix a couple of initialized variables. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfa97cc05943 11:08:29 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:05 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 11:12:35 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:36:32 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 11:38:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:45:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:33 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:03 -!- axujen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:42 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:55:40 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:59:47 bh: I use ipbt 12:00:28 <|amethyst> ipbt would be great if only it had unicode support 12:00:32 bh: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/ipbt/ 12:01:18 It seems to mess up a bit when displaying 'liquid' glyphs 12:01:46 is there a better ttyrec player? 12:01:48 <|amethyst> what about kilobyte's program? 12:01:52 <|amethyst> I haven't tried it 12:01:59 <|amethyst> http://angband.pl/termrec.html 12:02:08 <|amethyst> It *sounds* like it supports ordinary ttyrecs 12:02:21 <|amethyst> it doesn't seem to have search like ipbt though 12:02:29 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:07:48 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:08:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:09:20 <|amethyst> it also seems to have issue with bigterm recordings 12:10:47 the irony 12:10:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: does termplay not support bigterm recordings? !lg neil 7241 -ttyrec for example cuts off at 80x24 or so (with other rendering issues) 12:32:56 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:59 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 23.0/20130807024356]] 12:45:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:27 |amethyst: the library works fine, the user interface is a quick hack too buggy to live 12:47:36 especially because of race conditions 12:49:05 especially its attempt at multithreading, not even needed in the first place as it can slurp a ttyrec in 0.1s that ipbt takes a minute to load 12:49:51 (it's still needed for watching a live stream, of course) 12:51:26 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:55:19 I haven't looked into termrec in many many years :( 12:57:27 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:58:01 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:53 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:21 alefury: you weren't around when we discussed the DS mutations yesterday? 13:07:00 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:08:43 the "nimble" one sounds badly overpowered: you get all the benefits of a spriggan with no downsides (ok, -1 hp rather than -3) 13:11:42 innate speed is a massive boost: it is balanced either by extreme frailty and food problems (spriggan) or, bad defenses, bad apts and food problems (centaur) 13:12:10 and its flip side, slowness, requires such massive upsides as those nagas get 13:16:48 -!- Morg0th has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:35 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:38 -!- dickface has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:28 -!- holk has quit [Client Quit] 13:37:55 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 266 seconds] 13:40:00 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:41:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:50 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47:14 -!- LoknarGor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:49:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:15 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 13:52:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:58:14 -!- holk has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:01:52 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:11:33 <|amethyst> the numbers were suggested by elliptic, but I have to imagine he was expecting some other downside 14:11:57 <|amethyst> because -10% + lower carrying cap does seem like a minor minor downside 14:13:10 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:37 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:18 i didn't think increased speed was going to be a part of it at all, but i didn't follow the discussion all that closely 14:21:04 small size with no equipment restrictions already has a pretty decent selection of upsides 14:21:19 huge ev for one 14:22:28 it's silly how far small size is better than large size in Crawl 14:22:52 There's about no difference between tiny and large when it comes to unarmed damage. 14:22:59 let's see how a 1m50 guy would fight a 1m90 one in RL, assuming both are of normal proportions 14:23:21 let's see how a 1m10 guy punches a 30m dragon to death 14:23:39 (Congratulations! You have just vanquished a dragon with your bare hands! (Unbelievable, isn't it?)) 14:23:41 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24:02 Size doesn't always end up being an advantage in every kind of combat, especially depending on skill levels 14:24:26 Bloax: just before splatting on a single wasp 14:24:32 probably for unskilled people one would assume the big dude has the advantage most of the time 14:24:55 Get them to play an ogre or a troll and see how long that perception lasts. <_< 14:25:08 troll unskilled ++good 14:25:18 Strength levels increase rather exponentially as size increases. 14:25:26 SwissStopwatch: a small grand master would defeat an unskilled big oaf, but if the skills even remotely match, it's a massacre 14:25:32 A giant five times your size wouldn't be five times as strong as you. 14:25:36 Maybe I should dig out some of that Giant code and subject people to it sometime in the 0.14 dev cycle <_< 14:25:40 He'd just step on you and you're dead. 14:25:51 Bloax: exactly! 14:25:58 meanwhile 14:26:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: well, the bigger person probably has more HP and str than the smaller one, but those are orthogonal in crawl 14:26:10 an ogre is not very strong 14:26:21 I also wonder when realism got into this 14:26:40 Logic has its strings in realism. 14:26:58 nevermind that I think I would say that smaller characters do have a fairly significant disadvantage in fights, exluding unarmed, -if- lajatangs weren't special 14:27:11 I mean obviously dragons and shit don't exist and can't exist in 'das real world'. 14:27:22 But throwing logic out the window is pretty bad too. 14:27:25 ??realism of crawl 14:27:26 realism of crawl[1/14]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 14:28:20 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:41 ?? realism of crawl[7] 14:29:41 realism of crawl[7/14]: circular los 14:29:50 :P 14:30:08 heh 14:30:14 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:30:42 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:57 FR: let's make Crawl 3D to defeat this point 14:31:32 real time 3d graphics xtreme dungeon crawling action 14:31:34 (yeah yeah, there's also sharp cut-off rather than stuff getting angularly smaller) 14:33:46 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:38 bye for now, a set of disks I ordered 15 days ago "overnight" finally arrived, and I already let them gather dust for two hours too long 14:34:40 -!- Tony_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:45 -!- athros has quit [Quit: athros] 14:38:27 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:46:11 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 14:52:02 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09:19 yeah, nimble is clearly too powerful as is... I think I had some other drawback in mind that I forgot to say, but I forget what it was now :P 15:09:53 maybe just put -10% HP in L1 and increase it to -20% at L2 15:09:59 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:10:37 MarvinPA: the main reason for the mutation to give fast movement is so that it has something to do at L2/3, since we can't really split up small size into three levels I think 15:10:48 yeah 15:11:26 <|amethyst> could make it small, +1 move/-10 hp, tiny (and maybe another +1 move/-10 hp) 15:11:51 <|amethyst> so even at max it's slower than a centaur 15:12:20 note though that kilobyte was forgetting that spriggans are faster than this mutation gives and have far better apts than Ds 15:12:32 and that by late in the game many characters have swiftness already 15:13:02 would a ds with this facet end up being able to somehow stack it with speed, and would they run into the same movespeed cap everyone else does? 15:13:18 <|amethyst> the mutation should conflict with fast and slow 15:13:19 |amethyst: I don't like going to 9 move delay in between, since that encourages very tedious kiting 15:13:26 <|amethyst> I didn't do any of the conflict stuff 15:13:31 <|amethyst> elliptic: is that a problem for felids? 15:13:34 SwissStopwatch: they could get boots of running to get to spriggan speed 15:13:36 |amethyst: huh? 15:13:41 |amethyst: felids are 8 move delay 15:13:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: oh, right, they have fast 1 so 2 speed 15:14:06 well boots of run is only -1 now so that'd put them to centaur 15:14:09 currently the only way to get 9 move delay is with boots of running on a human (and I've already heard complaints about that being annoying) 15:14:13 SwissStopwatch: no? 15:14:25 SwissStopwatch: currently they have -3 15:14:28 at L3 15:14:39 oh I was thinking -2 then 15:14:56 from what |amethyst said above I guess 15:15:06 <|amethyst> what about: small, +2 move/-10 hp, tiny/-10 hp 15:15:39 <|amethyst> or even swap tiny and +2 move 15:16:18 tiny is a bit weird 15:16:32 <|amethyst> err, little, sorry 15:16:42 <|amethyst> spriggan size 15:16:58 or little, I assume you mean whatever spriggan is... but I don't think that Ds should get that small 15:17:11 why does samll size imply fast movement 15:17:15 since that really means a ton of EV 15:17:18 the only small race that's fast is sp 15:17:20 ontoclasm: it doesn't 15:17:29 ontoclasm: see MarvinPA: the main reason for the mutation to give fast movement is so that it has something to do at L2/3, since we can't really split up small size into three levels I think 15:17:58 that seems like a shaky rason to give out one of the most powerful effects in the game 15:18:24 Well there's also felids, who are small. 15:18:30 we already give out this effect at XL 1 with multiple species 15:18:32 But they're felids and thus should never count. 15:18:38 and with a L2 spell 15:19:02 I don't really feel like giving it out at a usually much higher XL is that awful? 15:19:12 other suggestions are welcome though 15:19:42 <|amethyst> keep in mind this is supposed to be a tier 3 15:19:42 |amethyst: I guess I just don't really know how tiny plays if you also get full armour and big weapons 15:20:08 * ontoclasm shrugs 15:20:09 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20:18 it just seems like most fast races have serious downsides 15:20:23 <|amethyst> elliptic: how good is storm DA on spriggans? 15:20:42 but i guess if you get it later it matters less 15:20:50 it could be tier 2 instead, or we could remove the tier 2/3 distinction (I've been considering this anyway, since it seems pretty worthless) 15:20:51 ontoclasm: but it is a tier 3 DS mutation, it should be strong 15:21:03 |amethyst: it is pretty bad, I meant full slots rather than heavy armour 15:21:28 since spriggans don't get boots/gloves/helm (just a hat) 15:21:32 <|amethyst> you'll be short one slot 15:21:32 elliptic: did you ever get a change to look at my automagic patch? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 15:21:35 <|amethyst> but good point 15:21:35 true 15:22:23 Naruni: I glanced at it but didn't get to try it out... one thought I had was that it would be cool if the player could control which spell slot is used (i.e. don't always use 'a') 15:22:39 Naruni: since some players like to have their spells on fixed letters 15:22:55 elliptic: |amethyst suggested that players could easily swap which spell is in slot 'a' 15:23:30 i could also add an option for which spell slot automagic would cast, i feel that would break it at the start since most starting characters dont have a slot 'b' 15:23:49 well, it shouldn't break if you don't have a spell in that slot :) 15:24:10 <|amethyst> Naruni: if the default is a, then someone who changes it knows what they're doing 15:24:14 i can code that if you think that is what needs to be done, i'm fine with taking feedback :) 15:24:28 i just need feedback to work on! 15:24:38 <|amethyst> I for example use spell_slot to put sandblast, flame tongue, and other short-range spells in x instead of a 15:24:51 <|amethyst> the thing is, if you have to set it in a config file it's kind of ugh 15:25:40 |amethyst: right, you could also give the ability to set it in-game but that requires another key to hit 15:25:46 -!- LoknarGor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:26:13 so I'm not sure what is best 15:26:18 <|amethyst> can you do that in Lua? 15:26:23 <|amethyst> I mean, read a key from the user 15:26:24 yes 15:26:42 <|amethyst> could make a function that does that, leave it unbound by default 15:26:53 <|amethyst> reads a key and sets the option I mean 15:26:55 i'm not following 15:27:00 well there is lua prompting the player to enter text 15:27:26 and here we don't actually need a key, just an actual alphabetic character 15:27:30 so I think it should work 15:27:37 <|amethyst> yeah 15:28:16 <|amethyst> Naruni: The idea is you have another 0-parameter function that prompts the user for a letter and sets the "which letter" option to that letter 15:28:23 <|amethyst> Naruni: (option or variable) 15:28:29 i think what you guys are talking about is an option in the rc file that says AUTOMAGIC_SPELL_SLOT = 't' and have the automagic function call that spells slot (with error handling of course). 15:28:59 <|amethyst> Naruni: that, plus a way for the player to change it on the fly 15:29:06 |amethyst: and then bind that function to a key in game? 15:29:19 "Which spell slot do you wish to assign to automagic?" type thing? 15:29:25 <|amethyst> yeah 15:29:28 <|amethyst> the player can bind the key if they want to do advanced automagic stuff 15:29:32 hmm ok i think i can work on that 15:29:40 <|amethyst> but by default it wouldn't be bound, because most players won't use it 15:29:46 right 15:29:49 <|amethyst> they'll just put the spell on a 15:29:56 <|amethyst> s/most/many/ 15:30:26 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:30:41 the only thing i dont know is how to get a lua prompt 15:30:52 <|amethyst> I don't either, that's why I asked 15:30:57 ok ill research it 15:30:59 <|amethyst> elliptic says it's possible :) 15:32:05 I think something in l_crawl.cc, maybe crawl_c_input_line? I don't actually know how that one works 15:32:30 <|amethyst> crawl.getch() looks like it could work 15:32:35 <|amethyst> then they don't have to press enter 15:32:35 or that, yes 15:33:15 <|amethyst> but the answer might not be a letter so you'd have to do error handling (maybe just rejecting it is better than looping, so wrong key = cancel) 15:33:34 <|amethyst> hm 15:34:16 <|amethyst> getch seems to return a number not a character 15:34:22 just print like "Error: invalid key" and kick them out 15:36:10 <|amethyst> I'm sure it's possible to convert ascii codes to characters in lua (and any keycodes that aren't ascii wouldn't be correct inputs anyway) 15:36:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:37:10 elliptic: I think going down to 2 DS tiers is good, but perhaps best not to conflate that with the new mutations 15:40:36 it looks like macros use getch 15:40:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:43:19 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 15:48:52 -!- tydar has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:52:16 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:53:13 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 15:53:45 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:26 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:58:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:17 * SamB wonders why reddit just said "you'll need to login or register to do that" when he explicitly opened the login/register dialog ... 16:01:57 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:10 -!- frostsnow has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:27 you have to register in order to login, and you have to login in order to register 16:03:53 the Romans had to consult Pontius and Pilatus for this effect ==> progress! 16:11:18 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:04 -!- Morg0th_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:14:12 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:15:42 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 16:19:14 -!- Vbitz has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:20:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 16:23:20 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:52 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 16:44:40 -!- duralumin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:37 fr: machine elf race 16:46:02 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 17:05:00 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:08:35 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:09:10 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:10:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:11:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:15:24 -!- Mulzaro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:19:42 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:22:28 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:22:43 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:23:05 we need some new screenshots for the website 17:23:13 newest ones are from 0.8 17:23:40 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: do you have a wordpress login? 17:24:06 dunno! 17:24:08 maybe? 17:24:12 <|amethyst> I think nap kin and maybe others can arrange that if you don't 17:24:37 hah, one of these is of hive 17:24:38 <|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/ "log in" in the very lower right; try your mantis password 17:25:04 nope 17:32:05 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 17:33:50 -!- tureba has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:26 <|amethyst> not sure if there are wordpress admins other than the 'kin, who is a bit busy at the moment 17:34:43 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:22 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: let me see if I can edit those pages 17:37:00 <|amethyst> I can but I'm not entirely sure how :) 17:37:57 well 17:38:05 we don't have any screenshots to put up anyhow 17:38:10 <|amethyst> okay, I think I can figure it out 17:38:21 <|amethyst> who better to take screenshots than our art director? :) 17:38:21 i vaguely recall there being a tavern thread but i don't know if anything came of it? 17:38:23 hah 17:38:45 <|amethyst> maybe some of bh's deaths book 17:39:32 maybe i'll observe some guys playing online and take shots of them 17:39:35 xD 17:40:04 <|amethyst> we probably want some local tiles screenshots too 17:40:47 yeah 17:41:00 well, i'll also ask on the tavern and maybe we'll get some donations 17:41:09 and of course i can make some of my own 17:43:20 -!- whales has quit [Quit: dinner] 17:43:53 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:04 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:48:10 looks like the last thread generated a grand total of 2 screenshots 17:51:02 should I try to get some good shots next time I play maybe 17:51:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52:56 sure! 17:53:21 anything cool-looking; it doesn't haev to be a big battle 17:53:24 have* 17:53:59 Alright, I'll keep it in mind when I start another game 17:54:28 do you have any portions of the game you're more/less interested in getting shots of perhaps 17:55:25 not particularly 17:55:58 I was kind of thinking along the lines of early/late, I guess, or whether there are parts that shouldn't really be photographed 17:55:59 i guess since 0.8... all the hells, crypt, shoals, and the labyrinth all got new tiles 17:56:16 spider is new since then 17:56:40 and forest, which isn't a for-sure thing still granted 17:56:43 well, there's a screen up there of the zot chamber, which seems wrong to me 17:56:54 oh yeah, and forest is new too 17:57:01 maybe it'll finally be the game for the dip into hell for a demon weapon plan 17:57:27 i'm atching schwawarrior run the abyss right now and hoping he gets into a bad situation >.> 17:57:31 i'm a bad person 17:57:39 oh 17:57:48 uhm 17:57:50 he died 17:57:58 wow, now i feel super guilty >.> 17:58:25 haha 17:59:14 well this is a game where that happens all the time after all 17:59:25 you're a murderer, ontoclasm 17:59:51 <|amethyst> previously he was in a quantum superposition of alive and dead 17:59:57 <|amethyst> but you just had to go open the box 17:59:59 yep 18:02:29 how did he die 18:04:43 physics 18:05:06 nicolae-: blizzard demon 18:05:24 that'll do it 18:07:20 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:20:55 -!- Soner2 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:41 -!- Soner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:31 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26:34 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:11 "<+ontoclasm> wow, now i feel super guilty >.>" 18:27:23 as a dev, aren't you supposed to enjoy that instead? 18:27:52 he's one of the good ones 18:28:07 so the devs can be like "hey we don't all want you to die horribly, just look at ontoclasm. salt of the earth, that guy." 18:29:06 hmm right, it might indeed be good to have one of us pretend that 18:29:22 ??ontoclasm[$] 18:29:23 ontoclasm[8/8]: i hate players and want them to die 18:29:33 >.> 18:29:38 ah, so everything's ok :) 18:30:16 1learn edit ontoclasm[8] s/$/ ah, so everything's ok :)/ 18:31:07 i don't hate players, yet, i'm getting there though 18:31:18 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:47 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:39:15 -!- tatara has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:41:20 -!- Burr has quit [Client Quit] 18:41:38 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:43:42 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:14 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:22 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:52:06 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:52:27 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:44 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:12 -!- Aidenn has quit [Changing host] 19:08:28 -!- Aidenn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:15 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:16:13 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:18:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:53 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:21:50 -!- vadatajs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:13 -!- sdfg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:35:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:43:14 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:49:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:43 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:52:21 -!- quazi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:52:55 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:54 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:40 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:58:26 -!- Dalvant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:58:59 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Client Quit] 20:00:28 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:11:55 -!- enygmata_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:14 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:14 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:15:54 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 20:17:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:42 -!- Soner2 is now known as Soner 20:18:02 -!- enygmata_ has quit [Quit: z.] 20:25:02 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:30:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:26 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:27 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:37:55 -!- myrmidette has quit [Client Quit] 20:43:56 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:05 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:22 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:48:13 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:14 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:48:20 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:48:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:51:21 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:12 what's the easiest way to examine an old version of something in git 20:53:26 checkout that old version? 20:53:39 <|amethyst> git show :./file.cc 20:53:48 ^ 20:53:52 <|amethyst> where rev can be a revision, tag, wahtever 20:53:53 ah 20:53:55 <|amethyst> s/wah/wha/ 20:55:00 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:16 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:18 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:10:30 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:44 -!- LoknarGor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:17:30 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:17:37 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 21:17:45 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:17:47 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:20 -!- Velocijacktor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:26:16 -!- Giomancer has left ##crawl-dev 21:28:11 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:31:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:33:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:35:39 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:38:57 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:42:19 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:43 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:37 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:49:11 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 21:49:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:49:31 -!- Rebenga has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 21:51:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:52:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:45 -!- minced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:05 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:54:18 noobcanoe (L13 LOFi) ASSERT(f.mons.alive()) in 'tags.cc' at line 1600 failed. (Orc:4) 21:57:09 <|amethyst> !lg noobcanoe crash -log 21:57:09 No keyword 'crash' 21:57:18 <|amethyst> !lm noobcanoe crash -log 21:57:19 11. noobcanoe, XL13 LOFi, T:20634 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/noobcanoe/crash-noobcanoe-20130911-025417.txt 21:58:15 -!- ZLogic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:58:37 <|amethyst> orc sorcerer 21:58:51 <|amethyst> Your orc wizard hits the orc sorcerer with an orcish dagger! 21:58:52 <|amethyst> The orc sorcerer dies! 21:58:53 <|amethyst> Beogh accepts your collateral kill. 22:01:02 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:01:06 <|amethyst> oh, there's a friendly one too 22:01:26 <|amethyst> yeah, the follower is friendly 22:02:05 <|amethyst> finished recalling 22:02:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:22 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 22:02:57 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:07:02 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:12 -!- tydar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:36 I still don't have any orc sorcerers 22:10:37 it's annoying 22:10:40 not sure how to get one at this point 22:10:57 I have so many knights and warriors that no wizard of mine will ever really contribute to battle, so won't become a sorcerer 22:11:22 <|amethyst> I wonder if timeout_enchantments there is doing something that reduces the orc's HP to 0 22:12:25 beogh is alternately fun and a big pain in the ass 22:12:28 not sure if I prefer that or yred 22:12:56 it seems really really hard to build up an undead army again if you lose them all with yred, like I did in my last DK game when I read-ID'd scroll of holy word 22:13:01 fr: a deity of undead orcs 22:13:28 beroghlemnog 22:14:43 -!- tatara has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:14:45 also crypt seems really dumb for a death knight 22:15:17 why? the undead still fight you 22:15:48 you don't get piety for killing undead 22:15:53 oh 22:15:53 nor does yred give you anything to help you fight undead 22:16:01 nor do you have corpses to raise, usually 22:16:39 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:16:39 well, "yredlemnul" is sanskrit for "kind of useless most of the time" 22:16:42 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 22:16:45 <|amethyst> damage_friendly = 57, damage_total = 31 22:16:50 <|amethyst> hrm 22:18:15 <|amethyst> I guess there's no indication this monster was recalled in 22:18:24 <|amethyst> it's just on the companion list, not a transit list 22:18:46 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:20 G-Flex: I had an awesome time with Beogh. I found a Bailey that was full of electric halberds. I hit Zot with 6-or-so warlords. :D 22:20:10 A shocking turn of events, that. 22:20:50 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:21:02 i played i think one beogh game 22:21:19 Beogh is way fun with Draco's cross-level recall 22:21:23 basically i should never have children 22:22:14 <|amethyst> if (mons->is_divine_companion() 22:22:14 <|amethyst> && killer != KILL_RESET 22:22:14 <|amethyst> && !(mons->flags & MF_BANISHED)) 22:22:14 <|amethyst> { 22:22:14 <|amethyst> remove_companion(mons); 22:22:16 <|amethyst> } 22:22:26 <|amethyst> what is the point of the killer != KILL_RESET there? 22:22:36 <|amethyst> is it just leftover from the days where KILL_RESET == banished 22:23:43 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:25 <|amethyst> %git 510d888 22:25:26 07DracoOmega02 * 0.12-a0-2609-g510d888: Remove companions from tracking if banishment 'killed' them 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=510d888ae20d 22:25:34 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:26:50 <|amethyst> %git 9cdc1153 22:26:51 07DracoOmega02 * 0.12-a0-2491-g9cdc115: Continue tracking banished companions, but don't recall them out of the Abyss 10(7 months ago, 2 files, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cdc11531fad 22:27:18 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:00 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:28:40 |amethyst: what happened to ~ ? 22:29:01 <|amethyst> !tell DracoOmega !lm noobcanoe crash 11 -log somehow a dead orc sorcerer is still on the companion list 22:29:03 |amethyst: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 22:29:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:29:15 <|amethyst> SamB: to ~ ? 22:29:18 -!- Pacra___ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:19 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:30:04 |amethyst: why http://s-z.org/neil and not http://s-z.org/~neil 22:30:38 <|amethyst> silly technical reasons 22:31:03 <|amethyst> It's not actually owned by the 'neil' account there, but the 'szorg' account 22:31:24 <|amethyst> I could set it up otherwise, but haven't cared to 22:33:21 <|amethyst> oh, no, I remember 22:33:39 <|amethyst> 'neil' is an user of the machine, not the vhost 22:33:43 a user 22:33:49 <|amethyst> err, yeah :) 22:33:54 that is my contribution to this discussion 22:33:55 carry on 22:34:21 <|amethyst> and I don't have control over the apache config, just htaccess 22:35:01 <|amethyst> I *could* edit them (I have root), but I have no idea what else I'd screw up and it's not my machine 22:36:08 <|amethyst> I get scared enough when I update my DNS and do service bind9 reload 22:37:11 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:10 does crawl have non-spriggan fey? 22:44:42 <|amethyst> not unless you count boggarts or elves 22:44:50 Aren't boggarts goblins? 22:44:54 ??boggart 22:44:55 boggart[1/7]: Very weak by themselves until they start summoning, at which point they can be extremely dangerous. Can instantly summon 8 yaktaurs or slime creatures. They have very low HP and MR, so zapping or casting disintegration, fireball, paralyze, enslave, confusion, and polymorph are all safe options. 22:45:20 <|amethyst> also they're english rather than celtic 22:45:40 <|amethyst> don't know about the ultimate origin though 22:45:48 fr more fey 22:46:04 spirit wolves are sort of fey i guess 22:46:16 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:46:20 and maybe water nymphs, but they're greek 22:46:47 Bjork, but she's Icelandic 22:46:54 yep 22:49:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:28 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:02:10 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:03 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:10:54 -!- Fusha has quit [Quit: !] 23:11:21 bjork is kind of a wildcard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM80F_J-QHE 23:13:51 pi31415: I always thought Bjork was a hunter, but maybe she's an arcane markswoman 23:16:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:00 interesting possible feature 23:19:05 change the player glyph based on hp 23:19:07 the way sil does 23:19:45 you mean the tile? 23:20:03 @ -> 0 -> U -> J -> I -> . ? ;) 23:20:13 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:20:27 ha 23:20:42 the uhm 23:20:44 color >.> 23:20:47 ah 23:20:53 i'm bad at talk words 23:26:10 it could be worse. 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