00:00:50 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.2-34-gf45b194 00:05:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:08 Stable (0.12) branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.12.2-34-gf45b194 00:06:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2995-g9a84c3d (34) 00:07:03 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:13:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2995-g9a84c3d (34) 00:17:14 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2995-g9a84c3d (34) 00:19:31 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:21:03 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:21:14 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:21:39 this'd better look good 00:21:44 otherwise i'ma be pissed 00:22:39 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:23:02 mm another revision past the one linked above? 00:23:40 yes, hold on 00:24:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:24:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals14.png 00:25:02 mm yes I was going to say 00:25:18 that it's always the weird ways terrain generates and shifts in shoals that makes things not look good 00:25:28 well, partly 00:25:39 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 00:25:39 but i can't change that :D 00:25:48 near the stairs is the one obvious trouble spot with that 00:25:51 oh 00:25:57 yeah, stairs always screw it up 00:26:14 because the waves don't get packed underneath 00:26:19 actually hmmmm 00:26:19 but that's a coding thing 00:26:45 the shadow borders look good, the deepwater ones look odd 00:26:57 howso? 00:27:25 like the breaking waves kind of look.... cut off 00:27:36 ah 00:27:44 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 00:27:58 -!- atomicthumbs has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:59 yeah, i was working on the shallow ones and basically jsut switched the underlayer to make those 00:28:12 so fixing them in't that hard 00:28:41 i just didn't put any 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0.13-a0-2962-g24fbf64: Rework the Sword of Cerebov's -rF effect 10(2 days ago, 16 files, 60+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24fbf643f8a4 00:30:20 two minutes apart, first one talks about the sword not being evil, second one talks about it being innately evil :v 00:30:31 yes there was an argument over that 00:30:50 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:30:53 I guess the sharp corners also look non-ideal as long as I'm being picky about that tile render 00:30:59 crawl-dev.txt 00:31:10 SwissStopwatch: mm 00:31:16 well, that's farily easy to fix usually 00:31:19 fairly* 00:32:22 my actual theory is that the only reason the shoals tiles even "feel" bad is that that's historically been slow to render in tiles for whatever reasons so more time to notice 00:32:40 well 00:32:41 maybe 00:33:22 It used to be that you had to wait over 30 seconds to rest in Shoals with tiles 00:33:44 yes 00:33:59 http://i.imgur.com/JNXStvx.jpg 00:34:02 are the current tiles 00:34:30 also is the sand in the stuiff you're working with just a placeholder 00:34:33 Is it possible to add the sand texture to the new tiles? 00:34:40 SwissStopwatch: yes, it's just a flat color 00:34:50 i haven't even started on the sand 00:35:18 i started with https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals1.png 00:35:20 you see 00:35:44 to get the colors vaguely right before i started messing with textures 00:36:37 a good illustration of the artistic process, I guess 00:36:43 hah 00:37:11 i tried to keep shots all along the way so i could look back and see how dumb i was 00:37:26 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals10.png 00:37:39 hownottodrawshorelines.png 00:38:09 ehe 00:38:27 hopefully i'm mostly done with the water now :( 00:38:33 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:14 I like how shallow and deep water blend 00:39:56 yeah, that turned out pretty well 00:40:24 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:41:55 -!- CKyle has joined 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joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 262 seconds] 10:01:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:11:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:07 <|amethyst> so, temple_pool_b 10:12:10 <|amethyst> what's up with that? 10:13:02 <|amethyst> is it really supposed to be guaranteed to disconnect the temple entry from the rest of the level for non-swimmers/flyers/hoverers? 10:14:03 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 10:14:53 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:15:04 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:05 <|amethyst> also, shouldn't temple_pool_a either have a contiguous border, or else make the NW quadrant no-rtele and put an @ somewhere on the south or east? 10:18:06 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:56 <|amethyst> tenofswords: perhaps you can help 10:20:47 <|amethyst> 1. Doesn't temple_pool_b guarantee that the temple entry is disconnected from the rest of the level if you can't cross deep water? 2. For temple_pool_a, would it be best to add a contiguous floor border, or alternatively to make the NW quadrant no-rtele and put an @ on the south, east, or both? 10:21:45 <|amethyst> the latter applies to temple_pool_b as well 10:22:21 since the first one doesn't have no_pool_fixup I presume the idea is for the vault to randomly have shallow water generate to the center 10:22:47 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:54 I doubt this actually lets it spawn, though 10:23:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24:12 <|amethyst> oh, I guess &L doesn't apply the pool fixup? 10:24:16 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:18 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:37 almost definitely 10:25:29 oh boy lost another save because of &P and forgetting branch entries won't count for &P 10:26:28 mmm, giving temple_pool_b max weight and going up from temple causes a crash, I guess the pool fixup stuff doesn't work 10:26:44 <|amethyst> yeah, just saw that (I used place: d:2 10:26:55 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:28:01 to keep the "aesthetics" of the map I'd put the same path variation stuff from temple_pool_a into temple_pool_b for the simplest solution to that 10:29:27 I'd also avoid placing no_rtele_into for simple water entries and just add a floor border to the top-left corner 10:30:04 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:05 <|amethyst> I guess only one of the extra sides needs floor border 10:30:29 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:40 well, the vault seems to go for diagonal symmetry, so 10:30:51 quasi-symmetry 10:31:12 <|amethyst> south is bigger than north 10:31:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31:27 * tenofswords shrugs 10:31:39 <|amethyst> but, yeah, both sides probably does look better 10:31:59 silly vaults all in all, really 10:32:20 and if I was still being proactive I'd at minimum combine them 10:34:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:40:55 -!- minqmay is now known as minmay 10:41:00 -!- minmay is now known as minqmay 10:41:58 <|amethyst> oh 10:42:16 <|amethyst> it's acting like it tries to place it, checks connectivity, and then does the pool fixup 10:45:31 -!- Kalaz has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 10:47:03 <|amethyst> because once I guarantee the path, the pool fixups usually mean there are multiple paths 10:47:21 <|amethyst> I'll make the no_pool_fixup random too 10:49:43 mmm, there's no documentation for what precisely pool_fixup means, just that no_pool_fixup blocks it 10:50:43 <|amethyst> Well, the documentation does say "prevents water squares next to land from being randomly converted from deep water to shallow", but that isn't completely correct 10:50:52 <|amethyst> since it seems to affect those that aren't adjacent as well 10:56:15 <|amethyst> _prepare_water is the relevant function 10:57:51 <|amethyst> hm, that seems biases 10:57:54 <|amethyst> biased 10:58:18 <|amethyst> because shallow water from previously-processed cells can cause the current cell to become shallow water 10:58:33 I bet it's oooold 10:58:39 <|amethyst> so it seems like there would be more shallow water on the northwest 10:59:00 <|amethyst> or, rather, that shallow water started at the northwest will spread further 10:59:01 and yeah, dodgy distributions are pretty common in old dungeon building code 10:59:02 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:04:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2998-g727e15e: Fix temple_pool entrances. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 30+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=727e15e54ccd 11:04:55 <|amethyst> of course, after I push it I realise my second SHUFFLE could have been simpler (just AB) 11:06:39 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:43 mornin 11:06:45 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 11:06:45 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:49 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:03 -!- 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one that cared died. :p 13:55:06 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:55:35 Good thing they only made that one movie, though 13:55:55 It would have gone downhill so fast 14:00:03 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:01:39 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:05:50 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:23 -!- Camicio has quit [] 14:12:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:13 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:16:39 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:59 !tell kilobyte I haven't touched the can_shaft() code. Pan has portals instead of stairs, so it makes sense that shafting doesn't work. I don't have an opinion on zigs. 14:17:00 buppy: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 14:18:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:25:00 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:05 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:08 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 14:33:58 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:18 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:00 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:35 kilobyte: just read your message from 2 weeks ago. What are DCO tags? 15:00:42 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 15:05:41 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05:56 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 15:06:41 -!- Aidenn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:19 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:46 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:11:53 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 15:12:09 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:13:36 !tell |amethyst I'm still seeing vault placement problems with the gammafunk_forest_enchanted_lake vault due to plant monsters. 15:13:45 -!- rphillips has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:46 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:48 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:49 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 15:14:12 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 15:14:36 !tell |amethyst I see that there's _add_plant_clumps() in dungeon.cc, but the the layout_forest.des is also placing random plants. Should the plant placement in that layout be removed? 15:14:37 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 15:15:22 !tell |amethyst Also, the vault is failing to place quite a bit due to stairs being placed before vaults are placed. Would it be possible to move stair placement after vault placement? 15:15:23 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 15:15:54 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:16 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:16:46 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:18:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:21:16 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 15:21:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:02 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:08 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 15:26:10 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 15:27:15 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:27:22 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:55 casting tornado hurts my friendly battlesphere 15:30:01 dunno if that's intended or not 15:31:11 -!- Bop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:08 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:05 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:09 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 15:38:31 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:43 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: for the layout questions, talk to mumra... I don't really know layout stuff 15:40:07 |amethyst: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:42:38 <|amethyst> galehar: Developer Certificate of Origin, see the Linux Documentation/SubmittingPatches 15:42:43 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 15:43:11 <|amethyst> galehar: Signed-off-by: in the Linux kernel has a more formal meaning that just "I approve this code" 15:43:31 |amethyst: ok, I'll ask him about it 15:43:58 <|amethyst> galehar: Step 12 of http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/SubmittingPatches 15:46:31 <|amethyst> gammafunk: as for the stairs, I don't feel comfortable changing that 15:47:08 <|amethyst> but that shouldn't be any more of a problem in Forest than anywhere else 15:47:17 <|amethyst> some vetoes are normal 15:50:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:50:59 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:59:14 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:59:18 galehar: it's more about your right to submit the patch, usually meaning that you either wrote it or represent an organization that has the right to the patch 15:59:18 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:59:47 it says: The Signed-off-by: tag indicates that the signer was involved in the 15:59:50 development of the patch, or that he/she was in the patch's delivery path. 15:59:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: or that the person who gave it to you so certified it 16:00:12 doing the transifex sync, I'm kinda involved 16:00:51 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:51 <|amethyst> It does seem to fall under (b) 16:01:27 <|amethyst> But you are certifying that there are no copyright violations (of course, arguably you are certifying that just by committing) 16:01:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Speaking of which, I'm not so sure about the M:TG quotes 16:04:00 do I have to request contributors to declare that they allow their work to be GPL'd? 16:04:25 <|amethyst> We've never been that formal about licenses before 16:05:47 <|amethyst> kilobyte: not that I'm really worried about copyright violation there (they're quite short and could easily fall under fair use); they just seem out of place to me 16:07:32 |amethyst: no different from other quotes, although it indeed might be better to give them two attributions (the fictional and the real one) 16:08:40 -!- Melum has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:09:10 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:09:12 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 16:10:54 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2999-g60d75a9: Give double (fictional and real) attribution to M:tG quotes. 10(70 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60d75a966633 16:11:15 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:18 fr the lurghoyf 16:12:25 lhurgoyf? 16:13:40 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:17:47 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:21:49 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:24:34 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:25 !learn add door There's a thick-headed creature in the gateway! 16:29:26 door[2/2]: There's a thick-headed creature in the gateway! 16:32:04 -!- Aidenn has quit [Changing host] 16:32:16 -!- joosa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:34:08 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:47 -!- joosa1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:19 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:48:38 -!- duralumin_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:04 Bloaxor: did you see the shoals tiles i "finished" yesterday 16:49:19 Nope. 16:49:43 do show 16:50:38 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals14.png 16:50:48 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals15.png with current sand 16:51:51 so puhretty 16:52:50 hah 16:53:02 i'll settle for "better than the existing ones" 16:53:08 Much better. 16:54:32 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:48 boulder beetle (15B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 9 | HP: 60-91 | AC/EV: 20/2 | Dam: 45 | Res: 06magic(36) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 260 | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 16:55:48 %??Boulder beetle 16:56:00 i might just color-correct the sand for now, push them, and then worry about real sand tiles later 16:57:32 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 205 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 16:57:32 %??Yak 16:57:48 why are boulder beetles so unrewarding 16:58:55 -!- Gotham_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:46 And I'm saying that because one just took off half my health by rolling a single tile into me. 17:01:03 meanwhile i don't mind convokers recalling stuff so that i can massacre it 17:02:14 -!- kilobyte_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:48 Speaking of which, convokers on Sprint IX are kind of dumb 17:03:18 Convoker recalls another convoker blocking off my escape route 17:03:39 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:03:40 And also recalls Lom Lobon, because clearly pan lords are worthy enemies for XL12 characters 17:04:01 It's like zigsprint, except with more lines! 17:04:24 (note: I actually killed Lom Lobon anyways and then died to an emperor scorpion) 17:07:01 !tell mumra It seems that many of the vault placement problems are comming from the forest layout placeing plants. 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seconds] 17:34:54 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:38 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:35:42 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:41 -!- kilobyte_ is now known as kilobyte 17:51:04 apparently stone of tremors doesn't work on crystal walls 17:51:08 which is unfortunate 17:51:22 also it becomes inert after failing to do anything 17:51:50 -!- Vbitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:53:04 which is even more tragic 17:59:47 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:21 -!- pi31415 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:06 I am attempting to build crawl with tiles. It builds and runs tilegen.elf, but tilegen.elf doesn't output the PNG images like it is supposed to. 18:01:06 pi31415: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:05:45 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:24 pi31415: works for me, and no one changed tilegen recently 18:08:28 stepping through tilegen in gdb, it looks like m_page.write_image(filename) is silently failing on my computer 18:09:00 is this your old toolchain, or something new? 18:10:27 stepping through write_page, I see that USE_TILE is not defined, but it ought to be 18:11:36 Bloaxor: it should produce rubble for those walls 18:11:42 for any adjacent monsters, that is 18:11:48 it can only break rock walls 18:12:29 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:12:41 kilobyte, this is my normal toolchain 18:13:18 <|amethyst> how did you build? 18:14:16 pi31415: could you try building a checkout of an old version? 18:14:16 <|amethyst> because the build-rltiles rule in the top-level makefile should have passed the TILES setting on to the rltiles makefile, which then adds -DUSE_TILE to the cflags 18:14:53 (to check if it's an issue with the toolchain, or with the makefile somehow not liking your setup) 18:16:45 kilobyte, i've managed to get it to work by hand, so I am sure it is my setup and the makefile 18:17:34 -!- tureba has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:22:37 the original problem was that the tiles were not built. since crawl takes so long to compile on my box, I tried building the build-rltiles target to save time. I ran "make build-rltiles CFLAGS=foo ..." and that clobbered -DUSE_TILE 18:23:42 when I stopped specifying CFLAGS, then the build-rltiles target worked. I am guessing that the original problem happened because the default target did not depend on build-rltiles, and I should "make crawl" instead of just running "make" 18:25:24 just "make" should work and works for me 18:25:27 no, the all: target includes $(GAME), there must be some other reason it didn't built the tiles in the first place 18:25:50 that no was a response to my previous message 18:27:01 -!- twzt has quit [] 18:31:10 gammafunk: I got the message, but nothing happened. 18:31:16 -!- arwald has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:33 Bloaxor: Where there enemies near the crystal walls? 18:31:49 I think they have to be adjacent 18:31:56 hm 18:32:03 At least some ought to have been. 18:32:14 No visual indicators of anything happening either. 18:35:09 yeah, it shows some kind of white 'beam' tile on every wall 18:35:15 I think even if there's no enemy nearby 18:35:26 so I'm not sure what the deal is with it doing nothing 18:40:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:41:04 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:12 Well yeah it didn't do anything like that. 18:42:19 And I know that because I did almost the same thing in spider. 18:42:23 and man that was a show 18:45:25 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:01 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:52:00 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:08 -!- dienosore has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:15 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:59 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3000-gc13fa1d: s/mutation_name()/mutation_desc()/ 10(66 minutes ago, 4 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c13fa1dade81 18:55:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3001-g7b6d41b: Let mutation_name() return the short name. 10(29 minutes ago, 4 files, 19+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b6d41b5512e 18:55:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3002-gaccbb5d: Don't use enum numbers for mutations in crash dumps. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 29+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=accbb5d310af 18:56:03 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 18:58:12 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:59:26 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 19:01:09 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:07:06 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:26 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:07 -!- duckroller has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:12:39 -!- Sysice2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:13:11 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:16:15 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:22 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:26 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 19:22:55 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:21 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:24:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:26:12 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:16 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:29:03 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31:12 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:51 -!- Mulzaro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:00 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:43:44 !tell mumra It seems that many of the vault placement problems are comming from the forest layout placeing plants. Since these are monsters, it's blocking the vault placement a lot (using gammafunk_forest_enchanted_lake as an example) 19:43:45 gammafunk: OK, I'll let mumra know. 19:48:57 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: You want it to be one way. 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problem. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7f77a669ba2 20:32:26 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:46 -!- Velocijacktor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:40:16 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:40:22 -!- Infected is now known as Guest77479 20:40:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:48:12 -!- enygmata has quit [Quit: zzzz] 20:58:04 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:03:57 my problem is that I need to "make EXTERNAL_FLAGS=foo" instead of "make CFLAGS=foo" 21:04:24 <|amethyst> which external flags? 21:05:37 <|amethyst> but yeah, we do CFLAGS := ... in the makefile 21:06:13 Well, I added new preprocessor flags while trying to build the tiles version with SDL2 21:07:31 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:07:32 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 21:08:01 Grunt: did you make the sojobo tile? 21:08:16 Yes and no; I based it on some of the other Te work. 21:09:50 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:58 ...wait, in console, do the shoals wave things cover all the water, or just the shallows? 21:12:17 it's an okay tile, but I thought the the colors were kinda dull. here's a quick edit I did: http://i.imgur.com/PzhzJjL.png 21:13:06 i guess i can check this myself since i have a character sitting in shoals 21:13:40 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:18:50 -!- duckroller has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:33 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:39 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:16 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:27:55 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:12 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:34 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:36 hai 21:30:48 okay, i doubt anyone will know this 21:30:55 but i can't figure it out 21:31:01 -!- Guest77479 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:31:18 i want to use %syn to assign multiple tiles to the same... enum or whatever 21:33:54 why do you want to do that with %syn ? 21:34:08 SamB: 'cause ACK doesn't work 21:34:15 basically i have a set of tiles (shoals_shallow_water) 21:34:41 and i want a subset of three of them to be shoals_shallow_water_breakers 21:35:06 i can just duplicate the tiles but then they show up twice on the tile page which is silly 21:35:24 i can keep the two separate but then i lose the breakers from the first set 21:35:36 and i can use %syn but then i only get one tile for the breakers 21:36:01 I really don't think %syn is what you want; it appears to be about giving aliases to a single tile 21:36:07 yeah 21:36:15 -!- tatara has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:37:02 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:06 the problem is that we don't really do -sets- of tiles 21:37:17 we just name the first one and then crawl counts until it hits another name 21:37:39 hmm, I don't know, I guess this stuff with the statues might be sorta similar ... 21:38:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:32 had a thought 21:40:33 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:42:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:43:30 * SamB wonders when ontoclasm is planning to share this thought 21:43:35 oh 21:43:39 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:41 sorry, i'm seeing if it works 21:43:52 maybe i don't need to do the thing i described 21:43:56 i'll just cheat 21:44:38 okay, optimization question 21:44:47 if i say if(a && b) 21:44:51 and a is false 21:44:55 does it waste time checking b 21:45:01 Generally no. 21:45:11 ok 21:45:14 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:57 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3004-gb7f77a6 21:46:22 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:44 -!- Fusha has quit [Quit: !] 21:47:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:48:31 sweeeeet 21:48:50 -!- Xiberia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:48:52 cheating is always the solution 21:51:18 ontoclasm: that's not an optimization question 21:51:27 semantically it doesn't check b in that case 21:53:03 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:53:05 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 21:54:02 SamB: what i mean by "optimization" is 21:54:10 say b takes ages to check 21:54:27 is it better to do if (a) {if b()} 21:54:28 ah, you mean "question I can use the answer to in optimizing" 21:54:34 yes 21:55:42 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:52 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shoals16.png 21:55:55 anyway no, those are basically exactly the same except one is more readable (and what happens if you add an else) 21:57:18 i think i'm done with the water 21:59:08 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:01:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:03:29 -!- Textmode 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