00:00:35 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.2-24-gbfbc01a 00:02:37 why, did you have a suggestion? 00:06:00 Stable (0.12) branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.12.2-24-gbfbc01a 00:06:01 No, I'm more just curious when we'll get to seem some more great ontoclasm tiles :) 00:06:13 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.2-24-gbfbc01a (34) 00:06:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2961-g081699f (34) 00:06:21 But I know thorn hunter brambles might be needed, assuming forest goes in 00:07:02 oh, and polymoth 00:07:06 that one is still missing a tile 00:13:16 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:25 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2961-g081699f (34) 00:14:39 oh right 00:14:46 i forget that polymoths, like 00:14:47 exist 00:14:56 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:15:57 ??polymoth 00:15:57 polymoth[1/1]: New to 0.13, polymorphs monsters in your line of sight into stronger monsters. Much less likely to polymorph something already polymorphed, with a chance that goes lower as HD rises. Rare lair spawn. 00:15:59 if only 00:16:12 I've only seen them in one game 00:16:27 I've never seen them and I already hate them 00:16:45 someone is going to make a vault filled with polymoths and elephant slugs or something 00:17:03 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2961-g081699f (34) 00:17:37 i was thinking that reciting at shapeshifters should cause them to get turned into really wimpy monsters 00:18:58 polymoth (12y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 20 | fly | Res: 06magic(53) | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 828 | Sz: small | Int: insect. 00:18:58 %??polymoth 00:23:13 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:51 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:28:47 -!- Taraway has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:29:41 ogaz: I still plan to make a lair end using them 00:30:12 gammafunk: a lair end is one thing, but someone is going to make a vault that can show up in like mid lair and I will be sad 00:30:22 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:30:50 ogaz: Well, when I encountered one in my game, the biggest danger was its melee 00:31:02 Then again, in a vault it could be a different story 00:31:21 the obvious move is to stick it with elephant slugs 00:31:50 but if outside of a vault they're less dangerous blink frogs I'm not going to complain too hard 00:32:49 (FR remove blink frogs) 00:34:32 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:45 it's fun to play around with polymoths in wiz mode, and see what e.g. giant newts converge to 00:35:54 -!- sysice has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:56 the results are not pretty 00:37:36 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2962-g24fbf64: Rework the Sword of Cerebov's -rF effect 10(10 minutes ago, 16 files, 60+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24fbf643f8a4 00:44:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:46:26 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:54:16 -!- |duckroller has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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##crawl-dev 08:35:09 -!- DerEiserneBesen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:33 fire bat (05b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 3 | HP: 6-15 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 304(fire:3-5) | sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(4), 05hellfire, 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold, 12drown | XP: 56 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 08:35:33 <|amethyst> %??fire bat 08:35:38 balrug (052) | Spd: 11 | HD: 14 | HP: 58-96 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1563 | Sp: b.fire (3d23), fireball (3d23), sticky flame range (3d6), smiting (7-17) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 08:35:38 <|amethyst> %??balrug 08:35:49 flaming corpse (05z) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 12/13 | Dam: 2004(napalm) | 07undead, evil, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(42), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 613 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 08:35:49 <|amethyst> %??flaming corpse 08:35:56 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 9248 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), malmutate, fireball (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 08:35:56 <|amethyst> %??orb of fire 08:36:44 <|amethyst> hm... maybe I should have monster distinguish rW from rAsphyx 08:37:10 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:33 djinni (12R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire, 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold, 12drown | XP: 713 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 08:37:33 <|amethyst> %??djinni 08:38:39 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:39:03 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40:52 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:59 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:55:26 xe cleave can hit submerged things - intentional? 10:55:27 *axe 10:56:52 it's not a bug 10:56:53 it's a feature 11:05:25 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15:43 would anyone be miffed if i made the spell icon for discord a golden apple 11:17:46 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 11:20:47 sounds good 11:22:02 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 23.0/20130807024356]] 11:23:35 ontoclasm: <3 11:23:55 heheh 11:25:11 alternate option: an image of a mountain dwarf 11:25:18 * ontoclasm hides under the floor. 11:26:15 ontoclasm who turned you into a trapdoor spider? 11:26:45 gammafunk: !send ontoclasm 27 polymoths 11:27:01 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:31 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:07 maybe an icon of forest 11:30:25 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:26 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 11:35:41 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 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12:18:59 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:13 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2965-g580dee5 (34) 12:26:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:27:18 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:33 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:29:57 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:06 ontoclasm: just Enchantments right now. 12:40:25 ok 12:41:12 it should go in party tricks :U 12:41:59 Party Tricks is already a good enough book. :b 12:45:49 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:06 <|amethyst> Do you really need magic to make a party descend into a drunken brawl? 12:54:44 |amethyst: i throw really shitty parties 12:56:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:57:53 magic bourbon 13:04:47 -!- Dalvant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:01 <|amethyst> FR: "Maker's Mark" monster spell. Like a combination of Alistair's Intoxication and Sentinel's Mark 13:06:23 <|amethyst> and a unique named Elijah Craig 13:06:47 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:20 is pricey bourbon actually any good, i've only had rather shitty luck 13:07:30 it's much easier with scotch 13:10:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:26 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:33 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 13:17:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:56 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:30 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:26:05 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:06 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:28:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:34 -!- Jay_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:39:19 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:39:28 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:20 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:42:14 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43:13 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 13:48:55 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:57 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:00:42 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:00:54 -!- giganticus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:01:11 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:19 <|amethyst> absolutego: I have no clue; though I'm from Kentucky, I don't drink whiskey 14:10:27 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2967-g7028ba0: Don't pretend ending flight is fatal for hoverers. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7028ba0a9463 14:13:36 never much cared for it myself 14:16:22 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:56 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Client Quit] 14:17:07 03elliptic02 07* 0.13-a0-2968-g277174a: Don't display Zin rMut on the % screen. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=277174a8aded 14:17:26 -!- Vbitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18:06 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22:53 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 14:23:44 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:13 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:15 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:33:44 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:21 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 14:42:36 I think before health problems caught up to him and he stopped drinking, my uncle would've said more expensive bourbon is worth it 14:42:59 Not really my liquor of choice though 14:46:27 by one of those bizarre life things i bought a bottle of maker's mark like three weeks ago 14:46:41 it was about 30 eur and most definitely not worth half 14:48:47 maker's mark isn't really super-premium anyway 14:49:37 well, i'm on the wrong side of the pond 14:49:50 it's considered a decent brand that will usually be findable I guess, but I remember some weird thing where they said they were going to start watering their stuff down 14:49:59 which like, why would you say that 14:51:42 but yeah I would imagine other liquors are better where you are anyway 14:52:06 -!- franklyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52:54 mostly scotch i'd guess, but it's not my thing either 14:52:58 land of wine and all that 14:53:50 maybe gin? but I guess wine yeah 14:55:10 -!- Velocijacktor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:23 i hear decent gin is worth it, but gin is the worst (outside of tequila, who'd trust anything out of mexico) 14:56:55 haha yes 14:57:28 i had mexican co-workers who kept tequila in the office, i've seen *things* 14:57:51 seen the worm 14:58:27 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: after a bunch of backlash, they decided they'll have production shortages rather than watering it down 14:58:27 i haven't seen that no, i guess it doesn't play well with customs 14:59:16 what does it go for in KY aprox.? 14:59:19 |amethyst: the funny thing is I'm given to understand that watering it down isn't all that uncommon for bourbon/ 14:59:38 but probably doing it would still not be good for what they market as 15:00:27 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: yeah, it's usually diluted to something like 40% abv 15:00:45 also the worm is kind of not a real thing 15:00:47 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: the "problem" was that they were going to be diluting it more than they traditionally have 15:01:14 I wonder how many people would've noticed 15:01:18 just by taste 15:01:19 it makes me think of movies that party take place in tijuana 15:01:38 well, watering something down is definitely noticeable i'd say? 15:01:59 well yes 15:02:22 there are reasons to do it anyway, just "Watered down" sounds like the worst thing 15:03:33 i do add water to whisky the few times i do drink it neat, it's a matter of taste 15:03:43 i wonder if you can apply neat there 15:03:50 <|amethyst> absolutego: not sure exactly, since I don't buy it, but maybe ~$30 for 750 mL 15:04:34 <|amethyst> maybe as low as $20 15:04:36 oh, i forget you can't buy this stuff on supermarkets 15:04:47 <|amethyst> not in Kentucky anyway 15:04:49 well that depends 15:04:52 I can in Illinois 15:05:00 of in drugstores 15:05:07 or in gas stations, or 7-11...... 15:05:22 (liquor selection in those last 2 not so good) 15:05:34 i remember when i ordered a beer on a restaurant and i almost got laughed at 15:05:45 <|amethyst> here the supermarkets that want to have a "liquor section" have to keep the two parts separate, with separate entrances 15:06:03 <|amethyst> and many counties ban the sale of alcohol entirely 15:06:07 (it was a sort of take-away place with tables) 15:06:13 some states are more.... "biblical" than others 15:06:18 <|amethyst> heh 15:06:32 Indiana, much more "biblical" than Illinois 15:07:49 liquor licenses have to be the mother of all rackets 15:08:40 to some greater or lesser degree depending on where you are 15:08:50 and how many different levels of government you need to get a license from 15:09:03 sorry the us is all bible belt extreme in my heart 15:09:05 <|amethyst> then there are things like the NYC cabaret license 15:09:27 "So you have your local and state license, but not your township license? Alright, closing you down" 15:09:54 <|amethyst> you folks with your townships... how quaint :) 15:10:02 township government is the worst thing 15:10:09 <|amethyst> almost like you think you're from New England 15:10:17 because there's basically no legitimate reason for it to exist that I can think of 15:10:39 note that it's a separate layer from state, local, and county.... 15:10:57 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: I'm sure it made sense 150 years ago when travelling to the county seat might have been a big undertaking 15:11:10 yes, possibly it -used- to make sense 15:13:01 i just realised i missed an opportunity to say "belt hauberk" so i'm saying it now 15:13:16 ugh *bibl 15:13:17 e 15:13:18 make your own opportunity 15:13:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:13:42 i'll take this as a sign 15:13:45 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:14:35 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:24:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:24 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:38 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27:06 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:44 -!- Velocijacktor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:09 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33:56 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:37 -!- Twinge has quit [] 15:37:34 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 15:44:50 -!- thearc has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:55 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:49:40 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:06 No warning for rubble from Stone of Tremors turning permanent allies hostile by battaile 15:53:16 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:03:29 -!- duralumin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:33 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:12:06 -!- imabunny has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:15:43 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:16:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:32:50 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:34:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34:04 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:51:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:53:56 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:54:49 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:01:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 17:07:45 -!- TZer0 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 17:12:06 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:54 -!- Peterdivine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:10 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:16:21 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:10 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:11 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:20:07 -!- Soner has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:51 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:22:00 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:23:14 -!- mineral has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:03 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:24:18 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:24:36 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:48 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:23 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29:17 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:30:43 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 17:30:47 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32:55 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:36:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2969-gc573ff3: Wording fix. 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c573ff3badbb 17:40:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2970-gfc16b25: Don't show a particularly spammy Xom note by default. 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc16b252c264 17:40:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2971-g22babcb: Fix a friendly water nymph crash. 10(82 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=22babcb0ca28 17:42:28 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:49:17 -!- halv has quit [Client Quit] 17:49:54 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:29 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:51:15 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:54:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2972-gc65c1d3: Further improve wording. 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c65c1d3289a2 17:54:55 |amethyst: Can we change Summonings to Summoning ? 17:55:14 Unless I'm the only one that it looks odd to 17:56:43 <|amethyst> maybe instead we should change "Necromancy" to "Necromancies" 17:57:15 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:57:22 change summoning to conjuration and conjuration to evocation 17:57:27 and evocation to uhm 17:57:40 invocation 17:57:50 <|amethyst> evocation to Use Magic Device 17:58:04 Tinkerer 17:58:21 yes, use magic device 17:58:34 gotta stick to the d&d model 17:58:46 new goal: irritate dpeg as much as possible 17:58:58 ..how did what I say lead to any of that? 17:59:22 except |amethyst's. 17:59:28 <|amethyst> Giomancer: People bring all kinds of paint to the bikeshed :) 17:59:34 ogaz: I've had a discussion about Summoning vs Summonings about four years ago. 17:59:50 I was talking about sticking with the D&D model 17:59:59 Summonings is me here. 18:00:00 o/ 18:00:24 Giomancer: sorry, i just realized i sounded like i was being snarky about your suggestion 18:00:26 ogaz: You see, something does not become tained only because it was used by Stalin, Gygax or the church. 18:00:39 *tainted even 18:01:10 I'm confused. 18:02:10 does anyone here know new abyss_genlevel_mask()? It sometimes doesn't include wiped areas. 18:02:11 dpeg: I was just trying to make a small joke 18:02:18 Having experience with in-Crawl bikeshed repainting (I started the monster glyph recolouring in ...0.3 or so, and the command letter re-assignments), I'd suggest to only do that if there is an actual gain. Definitely don't swap skill names :) 18:02:35 !lm * type=crash noun=~DNGN_UNSEEN 18:02:36 17. [2013-09-04 23:37:24] quill18 the Conqueror (L17 DrAK) ERROR in 'abyss.cc' at line 1260: ASSERT failed: grd(*ri) of 0 out of range DNGN UNSEEN + 1 (1) .. NUM FEATURES (136) (Abyss:1) 18:02:52 kilobyte: is there a deadline for 0.13? 18:03:21 In case anyone needs my modest contribution, I can confirm that Ga is playable =) 18:03:36 -!- alheris has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:52 dpeg: I'm afraid that there's such dislike to stable versions here that no one really cares... 18:04:01 oh, not good 18:04:14 there's a large pile of fixed but unreleased bugs even in 0.12 18:04:22 we have very many (really, way more than half) offline players out there... who will love a new release 18:04:31 probably, yeah 18:04:36 kilobyte: So should we call for bugfixing on c-r-d? 18:04:40 stable 12 has this annoying habit of ignoring my Ctrl+direction commands on my numpad 18:04:57 Giomancer: is the fix cherry-picked? 18:04:57 to point out an example 18:05:08 kilobyte: or do you suggest to dispense with stable versions? 18:05:25 kilobyte: what do you mean? 18:05:46 I fixed it by playing trunk. :p 18:05:49 tagging 0.12.3 would be nice, but I can't really test it until my new disks arrive 18:05:52 Giomancer: :p 18:06:09 dpeg: Have you had a chance to try the jump-attack ability, or do you have any comments in general? There are some things that need fixing with the current design, but if the design itself is in question, that should be addressed first 18:06:17 probably regression test on a point release are not so important, I guess... 18:06:32 gammafunk: no, didn't play it. Is there a console server which has it? 18:06:43 dpeg: Yes, cszo has it on tiles/console 18:06:45 <|amethyst> dpeg: CSZO does ((X) under the trunk menu) 18:06:55 hm, never been there, let me register 18:06:59 ??cszo 18:06:59 cszo[1/4]: Server in Florida, US: crawl.s-z.org -- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa". In case of DNS problems, use crawl.dobrazupa.org. Also has webtiles at http://crawl.s-z.org/. 18:07:11 dpeg: cßo is on the wrong side of the pond 18:07:29 <|amethyst> and doesn't have the best network even on this side 18:07:35 kilobyte: yes, but if it has jumping exclusively, I'll go there nonetheless 18:07:36 dpeg: You can start a boot-wearing species and train some evoke, or start as a felid to get an innate mutation (that increases with XL) 18:07:37 <|amethyst> ever since the ISP moved 18:08:01 |amethyst: Yeah, we had noticed CSZO had more lag problems since the move, although it hasn't been quite as bad recently 18:08:25 still, folks played MUDs on pings that often went to over 5000ms for an hour, so an extra 100 in a non-timed game might be passable 18:08:27 <|amethyst> maybe they've fixed all the bad routers 18:08:54 |amethyst: I've noticed that it's not going through periods of just dropping lots of packets, but it will go through periods of just higher latency 18:09:20 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, there have been times I've had 80ms ping to one IP and 40ms to another 18:09:26 <|amethyst> gammafunk: on the same box 18:09:50 dpeg: also, I see no reason a server with no Sequell links would be any better than playing locally 18:10:04 kilobyte: I don't have to build! 18:10:18 gammafunk: what is Destruction? Item destruction changes? 18:10:23 that's a single command, you know... 18:10:24 -!- Frelus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10:28 dpeg: Yes, that's bh's branch though 18:11:10 <|amethyst> dpeg: yeah, I think bh gave up on the idea (or that particular implementation anyway), so I'll be removing it at some point 18:11:47 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 18:11:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:11:55 <|amethyst> I would have removed it a week or two ago when he asked me to, but there was a player active so I didn't get around to it 18:12:06 pfft 18:12:21 You're all heart 18:12:38 |amethyst: what was Brendan's concept behind it? 18:12:43 |amethyst is Santa Claus 18:12:49 As a dev, your response should have been, "oh, he'll die soon enough" 18:12:52 <|amethyst> Giomancer: as for your suggestion, personally I like "Summonings", maybe because it's so quirky. It's definitely not standard english, but "conjurations" isn't really either 18:13:32 Yeah, I was leaning in the English meaning, not whatever D&D thing ogaz was going on about 18:13:36 -!- CampinSam has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:44 <|amethyst> dpeg: fire (resp ice) attacks don't destroy items, but give you a status that makes attempting to use them very likely to destroy and waste the item 18:13:53 And I haven't really played any conjurers to notice the skill name 18:14:01 |amethyst: ah, I recall. That was one of the ideas floated around, indeed. 18:14:19 gives player more choice in deciding when an item is destroyed 18:14:39 gammafunk: jumping interface is much better than I thought, if it viable in the long run I cannot say yet. 18:14:40 or in knowing 'hands off' 18:14:49 A calculated risk 18:14:52 gammafunk: range is fixed? 18:15:20 dpeg: it increases with either mutations level (if from mutation) or evoc (if from arte or boots of jumping) 18:15:33 ok 18:15:33 dpeg: first attack range is 3, movement 2, increasing up to two levels 18:15:59 gammafunk: is it something that one should use to start every fight? 18:16:21 dpeg: I would say not every fight, but you do get a modest attack bonus 18:16:24 120% damage 18:16:27 yes, I noted 18:16:34 it processes stabbing, but the stab damage is nerfed 18:16:38 by the class of stabb 18:16:40 *stab 18:16:57 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:17:01 works like basic melee, but no reach/cleave 18:17:09 and there are jump path restrictions 18:17:33 can't jump over flying/giant enemies, of if you're in water/liquid/liquified ground 18:17:37 *or if 18:17:42 gammafunk: I think it's alright... was worried it would be cumbersome to use, especially if it comes up often (which it will) 18:18:04 yeah, mumra suggested the interface simplification by just choosing a random landing site, which I think is nice 18:18:23 (The interface is good but you still have to press at least three keys to start the jump, more with more than one target) 18:18:51 right, it's basically like a breath attack, inferface-wise 18:19:09 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:39 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:52 gammafunk: It is definitely worth testing; I think it can be a good addition. One can always think about making it come up rarer by stronger effect with stronger drawback. 18:20:22 (e.g. 200% damage with a really long timeout, for an extremely simpleminded approach) 18:20:45 -!- agentgt has quit [Client Quit] 18:21:01 yeah, dracoomega preferred more of a positioning tool approach with no damage increase, the opposite of your suggestion, but what you're suggesting is also nice 18:21:20 -!- minced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:21:32 oculd have a short-duration slow after use but with better damage 18:21:39 *could 18:21:58 gammafunk: it clearly has tactical value (and no strategical one, thanks to the good "no jumping without enemies as targets" rule) 18:22:25 btw, if this goes in, we definitely want more monsters jumping at the player! 18:22:35 right, I do like that restriction, although the complication is that you can't force attack an empty square, which is odd 18:22:41 but for that I have a design fix in mind 18:23:01 yes, monster jumps would be neat, although a couple demons do something like it already 18:23:17 and the jumping spider... 18:23:40 -!- coyo7e has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:04 yeah, for monsters it may not be very distinguishable from just being fast, but if a normal speed dangerous monster got ahold of something with +Jump 18:25:15 <|amethyst> in a corridor where they can block the path in front of you I think it could be quite noticeable 18:25:30 <|amethyst> though I guess you can block that by flying 18:25:34 yes, it would've applications 18:25:38 but sleep here 18:25:39 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:25:45 yeah, it's fun to jump over things in a corridor 18:25:54 <|amethyst> gammafunk: btw, how does it compare to blue devils? 18:26:29 Well it's not currently working for monsters, but much of the targetting is generalized for monsters, so adding it wouldn't be much work 18:26:41 I'd need to look more carefully at how the blue devil attack works 18:26:49 <|amethyst> %git :/swooping 18:26:50 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-1014-gb3d4b10: Give blue devils a swooping attack (and nudge up their xp modifier) 10(4 months ago, 3 files, 66+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3d4b107f529 18:27:04 <|amethyst> it sounds fairly similar, so maybe you don't need to actually implement the monster version at all 18:27:12 <|amethyst> just pull the code out into a separate function 18:27:20 reading the commit, yeah, it does sound pretty similar 18:29:02 I see, he just uses a ray and lands one past 18:29:41 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:35:35 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 18:36:05 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:14 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:25 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:33 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: Bit a shark disnae bother chasin fuckin minnows cause that's no gaunnae fuckin well satisfy.] 18:59:42 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:04 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 19:02:19 |amethyst: The latest commit has a typo. "adventurer of your stature has no need for or fear of these tricks. 19:03:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 19:04:02 does the text itself make sense? I'm not aware what the typical superstitions are. 19:05:20 <|amethyst> reaver: where? 19:06:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Yeah, I think the last sentence accurately conveys a mocking tone towards both cantrips and superstitions :) 19:06:52 you just need to drop the "or" 19:07:00 the rest is fine 19:07:07 <|amethyst> I was interpreting it as 19:07:17 <|amethyst> "has no need for these tricks and has no fear of these tricks" 19:07:40 oh 19:07:44 well then i think you need commas 19:08:01 <|amethyst> that would make the reading more clear, yeah 19:08:04 "no need for, nor fear of, these tricks" 19:10:22 anyways, does anybody have any other tiles that they'd like to see worked on? 19:10:27 i know brambles need one 19:10:45 i think they're the only question mark left in 0.13 19:11:00 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2973-g137b2f2: Same text, more improvements (reaver, ontoclasm) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=137b2f22daad 19:11:02 <|amethyst> what about monster spells in ?/s 19:11:05 <|amethyst> that gets tiles, right? 19:12:22 oh, yeah probably 19:12:36 yeesh, there're probably hundreds of those 19:12:46 :( 19:14:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:14:39 is there a list of them somewhere? 19:16:36 i guess they have enums at least 19:20:32 <|amethyst> perhaps: 19:20:33 <|amethyst> %git fa2c9bc3 19:20:34 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-2958-gfa2c9bc: Don't list a part of monster spells as tileless. 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa2c9bc391d1 19:21:02 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:21:27 <|amethyst> they should at least have placeholder tiles for 0.13 release 19:21:35 <|amethyst> that way we can replace them in point releases 19:22:11 <|amethyst> (IIRC we can't add new tile enums in a stable point release) 19:23:36 <|amethyst> See "A few comments on Tiles" in docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt 19:23:37 well, i can do that at least 19:23:42 and several of those look easy to do 19:23:42 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:33 |amethyst: ah 19:25:35 |amethyst: this commit doesn't remove enums, just doesn't repeat the default clause 19:25:55 well at the very least we can point them all to that TODO tile 19:26:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:26:41 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:15 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:27:47 <|amethyst> kilobyte: they don't have tile enums do they? 19:27:52 <|amethyst> anyway, gtg for now 19:30:33 just spell enums 19:30:59 ontoclasm: is there a case when a non-player spell might have its tile shown? 19:32:02 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2974-gac9686f: Fix a crash on same-area abyss shifts. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac9686f81713 19:33:19 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:33:24 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 19:33:48 -!- enygmata_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:26 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:45:23 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:28 !messages 19:45:29 No messages for bh. 19:45:35 phew. I probably didn't break anything. 19:47:39 bh: care to check if I did not break anything in the last fix? 19:47:59 kilobyte: ac9? 19:48:06 skipping generate_area() might or might not be right 19:48:11 yeah 19:48:28 that looks wrong 19:48:34 hrm. 19:48:39 though if you're at the center... 19:48:53 no. That looks fine 19:49:41 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:50:33 do you think my 'take MP and repay it on abort' is too naughty? 19:52:17 Spells do not cost MP by croikle 19:53:23 ... 19:54:26 I can't reproduce it 19:54:49 works for me too 19:55:11 it looks weird in webtiles because you can see refunding occur 19:55:26 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:52 fr friendly orbs of destruction dont follow players on stairs 19:56:24 -!- enygmata_ is now known as enygmata 19:56:31 Who maaintains Sequell? 19:57:06 ??Sequell 19:57:06 sequell[1/1]: A bot for game statistics. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt 19:58:07 -!- Gizmo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:52 ah, fun. ty 20:04:37 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:06:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:30 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:08:38 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:18 a ray crash with an apocalypse crab. The crab is a knight's move from the player, the intervening line contains a wall and a statue. 20:11:45 I got a reproducible version if anyone is interested: amd64, Debian wheezy (a temp disk, I know stable sucks...) 20:12:21 no idea about ray code, though 20:13:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: is it the same as #5892 (which involves arrows of chaos)? 20:14:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, I see 20:14:33 looks same, yeah 20:14:55 smells similar to 429900ec 20:16:28 <|amethyst> I don't know, I suspect it's something specific to chaos 20:16:35 <|amethyst> and the fact that it bounces off at weird angles 20:17:32 yes, there's a bounce in the trace 20:17:50 <|amethyst> if you look at the full backtrace I posted 20:17:53 <|amethyst> before bounce: 20:18:05 <|amethyst> {r = {start = {x = 42.333333333333314, y = 26.333333333333346}, dir = {x = 0.44721359549995793, y = -0.89442719099991586}}, on_corner = false, cycle_idx = 0} 20:18:08 <|amethyst> after 20:18:16 <|amethyst> {r = {start = {x = 41.5, y = 27}, dir = {x = -0.22746465464284485, y = -0.97378633739040066}}, on_corner = true, cycle_idx = 0} 20:19:49 <|amethyst> but if I understand correctly, is_corner is only supposed to be true when both coordinates are integral 20:21:12 <|amethyst> not sure yet where on_corner is being set 20:21:39 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:22:39 <|amethyst> so this call to ray_def::advance() is the test ray in _munge_bounced_bolt 20:22:47 -!- croikle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:27 <|amethyst> oh, hm 20:23:35 <|amethyst> on_corner is set in ray::bounce 20:23:46 <|amethyst> which I believe is called before _munge_bounced_bolt 20:24:19 -!- BrightCloud is now known as Apsis 20:24:27 -!- Apsis is now known as BrightCloud 20:25:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26:10 -!- reaver has quit [] 20:28:45 kilobyte: croikle says MP is broken on head, but not cszo 20:29:03 I'm testing the cszo revision now 20:29:06 building... 20:29:33 make clean and rebuild on head didn't help, still no mp drain 20:29:52 <|amethyst> bh: cszo has your commit 20:30:00 |amethyst: yeah 20:30:02 yeah, that's why it's funny 20:30:11 croikle: only for sandblast? 20:30:12 is there any other change to player.cc between those? 20:30:16 no, any spell 20:30:25 can't reproduce :-\ 20:30:30 <|amethyst> only this 20:30:35 <|amethyst> %git 24fbf643 20:30:36 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-2962-g24fbf64: Rework the Sword of Cerebov's -rF effect 10(20 hours ago, 16 files, 60+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24fbf643f8a4 20:30:48 <|amethyst> nothing else since cszo's version has touched player.cc 20:31:01 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:31:02 fun thing: an identical bug was present for two releases in the DOS port before it got officially dropped 20:31:34 kilobyte: time to drop OSX? ;) 20:31:39 haha 20:31:44 <|amethyst> croikle: what compiler? 20:31:51 something shitty old 20:31:52 wait, OS X... interesting 20:31:58 apple gcc 4.2? 20:32:54 croikle: can you spam a spell and see if you eventually run out of MP even if it doesn't look like it? 20:33:11 <|amethyst> also, is this console? 20:33:12 I think I got 10 casts in a row 20:33:14 console 20:34:27 cszo build finished, issue still present 20:34:40 (081699f) 20:34:43 <|amethyst> croikle: does compiling with NO_OPTIMIZE=y build it? 20:34:48 <|amethyst> err, fix it 20:34:48 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 20:35:02 I'll give it a shot. 20:36:15 that's a commandline option to make? 20:36:29 point... I've been running a debug build 20:36:30 <|amethyst> yeah, make NO_OPTIMIZE=y 20:36:36 ok 20:37:07 <|amethyst> bh: well, in particular we've encountered errors with that version of gcc before 20:37:30 <|amethyst> %bug 6661 20:37:30 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6661 20:37:34 |amethyst: reflections on trusting gcc to not cockup. 20:37:52 <|amethyst> it would be fine if it were "latest" 4.2 20:37:54 <|amethyst> but it's not even that 20:38:31 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:38:36 I do have a few other compiler versions installed, I think 20:38:41 worth trying those sometime too 20:42:14 NO_OPTIMIZE=y fixed it 20:42:21 is there any particular reason that mon_enchant durations are in aut but player durations are in aut*10? or is it just one of those "always been that way" things 20:42:59 maybe we can make Beogh water walking a duration so that when you lose piety you don't immediately drown 20:43:01 i noticed that some vulnerability uses the same numbers for player and monster duration, which i guess explains why it's so incredibly short-lived on monsters 20:43:31 and was going through to see if there are any other monster durations that are 10 times too low accidentally, it's sort of hard to tell what's intended though 20:44:27 (also making ?vuln last 10 times longer is i guess a reasonably big change, no clue what the correct approach there is either) 20:44:32 MarvinPA: "always been that way". There's also a heavy dependence on mon.speed, so I'm not sure they're even in aut*10. 20:44:58 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:45:32 ahh yeah there's the whole calc_duration thing for monster enchantments, i forgot about that 20:47:14 |amethyst: back to the ray thing: on_corner=1 is_corner(r.start)=1 bad_corner(r)=0 in_diamond_int(r.start)=0 20:47:24 |amethyst: so this is a corner but not a "bad" one 20:48:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:48:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:56 <|amethyst> and bad_corner depends indirectly on the ray's direction 20:51:00 <|amethyst> which was munged 20:53:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:01 I kind of wonder if special casing chaos bounces is worth it 20:55:26 it makes beams more "chaotic" theme-wise, yeah, but makes tracers really tricky 20:56:48 <|amethyst> %git b9aa144 20:56:48 07by02 * 0.6.0-a0-1897-gb9aa144: Replace ray_def by a version using "diamond rays". 10(3 years, 10 months ago, 2 files, 25+ 212-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9aa144a7fd5 20:57:50 <|amethyst> "TODO: ... * Reenable setting/getting degrees for chaos beams." 20:57:52 %git 596223a14 20:57:52 07Matthew_Cline02 * r596223a14698: Chaos beams now bounce off walls at a completely random angle. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 3 files, 155+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=596223a14698 20:58:06 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:55 <|amethyst> %git 5770878 20:58:55 07by02 * 0.6.0-a0-2028-g5770878: Add get_degrees and set_degrees to ray_def; reenable chaos bolt munging. 10(3 years, 10 months ago, 5 files, 31+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=577087842765 21:00:59 "munge" is the best verb 21:01:06 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:01:09 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:12 I think the meaning has gotten a bit munged over the years, but oh well. 21:01:46 <|amethyst> %git 0dc3e02b 21:01:46 07by02 * 0.6.0-a0-2108-g0dc3e02: A variety of changes to make the reflection code more robust. 10(3 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 76+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0dc3e02bc8bc 21:01:54 <|amethyst> That's the one that made the assert fail 21:02:04 <|amethyst> (that added the bad_corner check) 21:02:31 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 21:03:18 -!- Taraiph is now known as Voltecceraiph 21:03:44 <|amethyst> just removing that makes it fail elsewhere though 21:04:03 SPELL_POISON_SPLASH is like, naga poison spit right 21:04:53 <|amethyst> yes 21:05:12 -!- Voltecceraiph is now known as Taraiph 21:06:19 ontoclasm: let's rename it to "Spit Poison", the current name is not obvious 21:06:43 okay, i'll do that too 21:08:58 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09:28 and sticky_flame_splash 21:09:32 which is the same spiel 21:09:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:09:44 that one actually splashes 21:09:56 that's why naga spit is so confusing 21:10:07 hm 21:10:10 i guess 21:10:42 it's mottled drac breath, players can use it too 21:10:54 yeah 21:11:52 okay, i'll leave it 21:11:52 and just change poison_splash 21:16:22 -!- Ladykiller69 is now known as KENJYTASTIC 21:16:42 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:16:50 spell-draconian_breath should never exist, right 21:16:54 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 21:18:15 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:33 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:25:26 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:14 -!- Vbitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:26:43 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:30 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:22 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Friends help you move. 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I was completely confused by the angles being reported until I realised everything if flipped vertically from standard mathematical form, because y increases from top to bottom 21:28:40 <|amethyst> s/if f/is f/ 21:32:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:27 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2975-gd60a8df: Assert that a follower being marshalled is alive. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d60a8dff6c7b 21:35:12 -!- KENJYTASTIC has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:39:26 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:39:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:42:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:11 -!- Rebenga has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 21:43:33 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 21:45:23 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2974-gac9686f 21:53:29 -!- enygmata has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:55:17 -!- alefury has quit [] 22:02:47 ...hm 22:02:52 how do i test this now :/ 22:03:28 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:40 local tiles doesn't display spell icons under ?/s 22:03:50 and i can't memorize monster spells 22:07:20 <|amethyst> oh 22:07:38 <|amethyst> I thought ?/s did display them 22:07:45 itmight on webtiles 22:07:55 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:08:24 ...nope 22:08:52 ......well, i made a bunch of icons you can't see 22:08:55 xD 22:09:13 <|amethyst> FR: display the icons in ?/s :) 22:09:27 <|amethyst> hm, I may have solved the chaos crash 22:09:42 btw, what even uses chaos bolts 22:10:04 Apocalypse crabs? 22:10:17 <|amethyst> launchers of chaos 22:10:29 <|amethyst> can Xom do that to launchers? 22:10:35 <|amethyst> I made mine in wizmode 22:10:55 Yes. 22:10:57 I had a chaos bow once. 22:11:06 I've also seen chaos crossbows. 22:12:25 ranged chaos sounds interesting 22:13:03 i think xom should choas-brand your weapon more often 22:13:15 or maybe offer to do so, in mockery of the brand-gifting gods 22:13:30 xom giving you the option seems kind of un-xomlike 22:13:34 the "option" part, I mean 22:13:37 hm 22:14:05 yeah, it could just be part of xom's thing 22:14:15 "your weapon's brand will probably be overwritte" 22:14:42 "what did you expect when you signed on?" 22:15:51 mainly i just think it should be more common to get it 22:16:09 since currently you have to hit the tiny chance of him swapping your weapon, THEN chaos branding it 22:17:11 with no scrolls of vorpalize anymore, there's no real way to get decent weapons of chaos 22:17:22 the jeanjacques memorial speedrun ruination chance 22:17:27 huh? 22:17:40 something in the learndb about something to do with that 22:18:22 no the "huh" was at kilobyte, it's easier than ever to get weapons of chaos now 22:18:32 Xom says, "Let me see your weapon for a second, mortal. ...no reason." 22:18:41 for instance you can start a CK and presto chaos weapon 22:18:54 of course it's weird that you probably only have it for a little bit 22:19:09 since it's one of the potential brands from rebranding (although still rare there, obviously) 22:19:10 i require a +9 chaos longbow 22:19:23 so i can shaft cerebov 22:19:29 ehehe 22:19:47 did you know: you can confuse cerebov with recite 22:19:50 I did, at least 22:20:04 also you wouldn't be able to shaft him since he's on the bottom level of a branch 22:20:06 with enough invo 22:20:20 the more fun thing to do would be kill trj with nothing but recite 22:20:41 hard to do after the trj change but still 22:21:08 I killed hellion island with nothing but recite 22:21:57 MarvinPA: it works once per 50 scrolls, you find 1-3 per game. 22:22:05 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22:16 sure, it's still more possible than it was in the past though 22:22:20 <|amethyst> kilobyte: how does that make it less common though? 22:22:29 can't you still brand it on the same way anyway 22:22:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: brand weapon still affixes temp brands 22:22:39 MarvinPA: decks 22:23:01 what about decks 22:24:04 |amethyst: ah, didn't notice that 22:25:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:26:45 decks other than changes are safe to random draw in a safe spot, the Blade card is quite plentiful 22:28:09 before Blade 0 got nerfed, decks from a typical 3-runer gave enough Blades to get a brand you want most of the time; after the change you need exactly level 1 22:28:24 (for chaos, that is) 22:32:37 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:35:44 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2976-gd5d8a81: Fix a chaos bounce crash (#5892). 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 21+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5d8a818bb78 22:47:53 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:57 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 23:03:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:16:38 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 23:19:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:20:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25:25 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.13-a0-2977-g0ca8910: Rename SPELL_POISON_SPLASH to SPELL_SPIT_POISON 10(2 hours ago, 6 files, 10+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ca8910a35b9 23:25:25 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.13-a0-2978-gd3d37a4: Tiles for various monster spells 10(84 seconds ago, 24 files, 49+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3d37a4ad22b 23:25:54 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:18 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:27:29 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2979-gb6a86b3: What do you mean I can't say "BOM" on an airplane? 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6a86b3bbb58 23:27:44 what 23:28:04 <|amethyst> your editor stuck a byte-order-mark at the beginning 23:28:24 oh 23:28:35 sorry, windows is dumb 23:28:37 |amethyst, <3 at the commit message. 23:29:19 (We should assemble a list of greatest Crawl commit messages <_<) 23:29:39 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: checkwhite caught it, but I guess that has other issues on Windows if you're doing automatic LF conversion 23:30:02 <|amethyst> s/caught/fixed/ 23:30:23 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{BOM}^^{BOM} 23:30:23 Could not find commit HEAD^{BOM}^^{BOM} (git returned 128) 23:30:29 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/BOM}^^{/BOM} 23:30:30 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1677-g213b1b4: Let checkwhite eradicate BOMs it finds. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=213b1b475fc0 23:30:42 well probably i should just use a better text editor 23:30:52 ...or switch to linux 23:31:05 back to linux, i should say 23:33:13 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:33:26 why doesn't yred like it when you kill dancing weapons? 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