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00:33:23 <Cheibriados> Very small lair:3 map generated <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7525> by igomadness
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08:56:31 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm #7494 - do you think this should be closed, or should we have a separate draconian skeleton tile?
08:56:35 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know.
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09:37:55 <Sizzell> enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6012 failed. (D:4)
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09:48:38 <|amethyst> !lm enigmoo crash -log
09:48:39 <Sequell> 29. enigmoo, XL6 GrTm, T:4758 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/enigmoo/crash-enigmoo-20130830-143755.txt
09:49:16 <|amethyst> I'm going to delete that save
09:49:42 <|amethyst> there's a backup so I can restore it if enigmoo wants when we fix the bug
09:49:51 <|amethyst> hm
09:55:08 <|amethyst> or maybe we should just remove that assert and fix up the problem.  kilobyte I believe added debugging messages that should report the problem sooner, but still I worry this would just make the ultimate problem (with bad constrictions) harder to find
09:55:24 <|amethyst> s/with bad constrictions/that lead to the bad constrictions/
09:59:22 <|amethyst> actually, you know what
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10:07:15 <|amethyst> fixed their save (we still have the backup of the bugged version)
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10:32:48 <|amethyst> mumra_:  any idea about the tiny cave layout in #7525?
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10:34:04 <mumra_> |amethyst: looks like a very rare instance of that generator
10:34:16 <mumra_> i should probably just add a validation hook like some of the other layouts to check for a min size
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10:34:45 <mumra_> although the generator itself still needs some improvements
10:34:59 <mumra_> i really should get onto some more layout improvements at some point but it's been a busy summer ;)
10:35:11 <mumra_> i'm also kind of frantically looking for paid employment right now
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10:37:14 <Cheibriados> Brand noise is negated by a later call to adjust_noise <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7526> by Siegurt
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10:38:07 <|amethyst> we were just discussing that recently... the "explosion of sparks" is silent if the attack was a stab
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10:38:23 <|amethyst> and Siegurt points out other issues as well
10:38:52 <|amethyst> mumra_:  also, #7508 but unfortunately the player quit the game (or escaped) without making a save backup
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10:39:25 <|amethyst> mumra_:  that's a different issue entirely, but since you're the layout guru... :)
10:39:35 <|amethyst> maybe it's a vault, I dunno
10:40:06 <|amethyst> or maybe you looked at that one already, I don't remember now
10:40:11 <mumra_> oh wow, i have no idea what's going on with that one
10:40:25 <mumra_> not even sure which layout generator that is, a rogue vault does sound likely
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10:41:26 <mumra_> really we should have a pass post-layout-generation to carve doors and corridors between disconnected regions and stuff like that ...
10:42:18 <mumra_> the only reason that layout didn't get vetoed is probably because the game thinks that the upstairs means you can reconnect via another floor
10:42:34 <mumra_> so dungeon exits probably need to be ignored for connectivity purposes
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11:08:05 <Cheibriados> 03Translators02 {galehar} 07* 0.13-a0-2901-g1ec9ea8: [Transifex] Sync. 10(2 minutes ago, 135 files, 11338+ 3391-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ec9ea86f595
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14:44:30 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2902-g698c47c: Set travel destination with enemies nearby. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=698c47cbea1c
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14:50:21 <kilobyte> |amethyst: my check for bad constriction works only in debug builds
14:50:41 <kilobyte> |amethyst: and even there, only once a turn rather than when shit actually happens
14:50:55 <|amethyst> ah, so correcting the problem instead of asserting wouldn't be a good idea
14:51:18 <kilobyte> as in, fixing the result not the cause?
14:51:19 <|amethyst> I fixed enigmoo's save by loading it into a version that did have correction instead of assert
14:51:22 <|amethyst> right
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14:53:09 <|amethyst> It would be nice if we could make it crash once, then fix itself... but I hesitate to try breaking incorrect constrictions on load
14:53:28 <|amethyst> particularly since it would have to wait until all monsters have been loaded
14:53:46 <|amethyst> could have it remove the constriction, save, and die
14:54:20 <|amethyst> on the other hand, that means we probably won't get a copy of the save
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14:54:59 <|amethyst> on the third hand, the save isn't that useful to us anyway
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15:16:56 <kilobyte> hrm, if a quote exists in other languages but not in English, transifex will delete it
15:17:42 <kilobyte> there's one from Krasicki's "Monachomachia", with a professional poet translation to German but AFAIK not English
15:18:03 <kilobyte> can you think of at least something we could put for the Temple?
15:19:22 <|amethyst> I can find something
15:19:55 <kilobyte> "staircase to the Ecumenical Temple:quote" to be exact
15:21:48 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  should also alias Temple:quote to that
15:21:49 <SamB> kilobyte: that's dumb on transifex' part ...
15:21:59 <SamB> it should only delete quotes for things that aren't even described
15:24:00 <kilobyte> SamB: there's util/db_lint for stuff like that on our side
15:24:05 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I'm going to re-add them under Temple:quote and link from the stairs
15:24:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  since that's what we already do for Tomb and Tar
15:24:59 <kilobyte> |amethyst: lemme push a revert of the removal of .pl and .de first then
15:26:05 <|amethyst> okay
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15:28:24 <|amethyst> is it in our RNG or the libc one (which we use for a very few things)
15:28:53 <kilobyte> this one reproducible abyss bot crash doesn't work on amd64 (it needs almost 1000 turns from the save, but that doesn't take much time)
15:29:16 <kilobyte> libc is used only for random_shuffle<>, I think
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15:38:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  how's this:  “And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.”
15:39:23 <kilobyte> seems fitting to what players do
15:39:31 <|amethyst> exactly :)
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15:39:57 <|amethyst> or there's a big list in Kings of the stuff in Solomon's temple
15:40:09 <|amethyst> "...And the bowls, and the snuffers, and the basons, and the spoons, and the censers [of] pure gold; and the hinges [of] gold, [both] for the doors of the inner house, the most holy [place, and] for the doors of the house, [to wit], of the temple."
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15:41:42 <|amethyst> (where [] represents italics)
15:45:09 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2903-g2dd467e: Revert the removal of two quotes. 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 25+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dd467ec3bb5
15:51:24 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2904-g854400c: Add a quote for the Temple.  Vials of wrath! 10(18 minutes ago, 2 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=854400c33717
15:51:24 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2905-g6647b63: Move de/pl temple stair quote to Temple proper. 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 26+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6647b63a9dae
15:51:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  you made a typo (left out the leading "A" in the key for the German quote, but that's moot now because I moved them
15:52:01 <|amethyst> s/,/),/
15:52:20 <|amethyst> hopefully transifex can handle that
15:52:45 <|amethyst> if necessary for transifex purposes we can replicate the English redirects to Polish and German too
15:54:19 <kilobyte> currently quotes work like any other description, ie, they use the English version if a localized one is missing
15:54:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  right, and the english one is a redirect
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15:55:15 <kilobyte> no quote is probably better after a localized description, but that's quite moot for now as most of the game is still English
15:55:16 <|amethyst> I guess what I'm not sure about is whether the transifex sync will remove the extra entry (that I just removed) from transifex or re-add it to crawl
15:55:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  but I guess that's not an issue because presumably the entry was removed by galehar's sync
15:57:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  if we do decide to do that (show no quote if the quote isn't translated but the desc is), either redirects shouldn't be subject to that logic, or we should duplicate the English redirect I just added into the other languages that have a quote
15:58:30 <kilobyte> yeah, a thing for the future though
15:59:00 <SamB> all in all, it might be better to just end up showing an incomprehensible quote to some people
16:00:25 <|amethyst> as a "learned" English speaker I don't mind getting occasional quotes in languages I don't speak (though obviously I prefer languages either closer to English, or closer to languages I've studied)
16:01:51 <kilobyte> I for one would limit this to phrases that are already well known (like "lasciate ogne speranza")
16:02:43 <kilobyte> of course, "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur."
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16:03:39 <|amethyst> I forget, did we use modern Italian or mediaeval Tuscan for the IT version of that quote?
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16:04:26 <|amethyst> oh, neither
16:06:25 <|amethyst> but when we had that one as the "English" quote it was in Tuscan
16:07:10 <|amethyst> the way you quoted it, qith "ogne" and "voi ch'intrate" instead of "ogni" and "o voi ch'entrate"
16:07:26 <|amethyst> hm
16:08:54 <|amethyst> not sure whether to move this one to Hell:quote as well
16:09:01 <|amethyst> since it's specifically about the entrance
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16:10:03 <|amethyst> What kind of quotation marks does Italian use?
16:10:17 <|amethyst> there are no examples of quotes in dat/descript/it/ yet
16:10:56 <|amethyst> Hm, both «» and “” are accepted it seems
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16:21:24 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2906-g58222c5: Add Dante's original gate quote to the Italian translation. 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 16+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=58222c508657
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16:31:28 <|amethyst> !tell Cryp71c any thoughts on Siegurt's proposed change to melee noise code at #7526 ?
16:31:29 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let cryp71c know.
16:32:09 <|amethyst> !tell Cryp71c I haven't had a chance to see how it worked pre-UCC
16:32:10 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let cryp71c know.
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17:35:23 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2907-g70ca29e: Actually try to prevent wind blast crashes (#7445) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70ca29ee1592
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19:05:22 <myrmidette> !dump
19:05:22 <Henzell> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/myrmidette/myrmidette.txt
19:05:40 <myrmidette> this dump is pretty stupid
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19:05:53 <myrmidette> this vault is pretty stupid too
19:06:15 <myrmidette> it's free xp for anyone who stands there with a polearm, all you have to do is hold down tab
19:06:25 <myrmidette> or am I missing something?
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19:08:54 <ontoclasm> myrmidette: well, it's one iron devil
19:09:10 <myrmidette> %%iron devil
19:09:14 <myrmidette> ?%%iron devil
19:09:18 <ontoclasm> it's hardly an enormous influx of exp
19:09:22 <Cheibriados> iron devil (104) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 16/8 | Dam: 14, 14 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 324 | Sz: Medium | Int: high.

19:09:22 <ontoclasm> %??iron devil
19:09:27 <Cheibriados> yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 205 | Sz: Large | Int: animal.

19:09:27 <ontoclasm> %??yak
19:09:33 <ontoclasm> slightly more than one yak
19:09:59 <myrmidette> yeah, but it was boring just standing there wailing on it while it cowered, helpless to do anything
19:10:03 <myrmidette> not to mention kind of mean
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19:46:52 <gammafunk> !apt Gr
19:46:52 <Henzell> Gr: Fighting: 1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: 1, Polearms: -1, Staves: 1, Slings: -1, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 2, Stab: 0, Shields: 1, Traps: -1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: 1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -2, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 0
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21:45:57 <Gretell> Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2907-g70ca29e
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22:09:04 <Sizzell> reaver (L7 MfTm)  (D:4)
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22:37:52 <|amethyst> !lm reaver crash -log
22:37:52 <Sequell> 1. reaver, XL7 MfTm, T:6681 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/reaver/crash-reaver-20130831-030903.txt
22:39:13 <|amethyst> seems like maybe some kind of weird macro infinite loop thing?
22:39:24 <|amethyst> it got a SIGTERM while inside liblua
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23:44:44 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2907-g70ca29e (34)
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23:50:11 <nicolae-> hm, if i still get a bug that's marked as fixed on mantis, is it preferable to just add a note or make another report
23:50:34 <nicolae-> (bug in question https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 )
23:52:06 <Zannick> it's possible hell has different placement routines
23:52:19 <nicolae-> probably
23:52:21 <Zannick> it's probably the case, actually
23:52:36 <nicolae-> i have a lot of trouble getting vaults to generate in the hells when i'm testing them out
23:53:12 <Zannick> are you sure hell allows vaults, aside from the ends?
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23:54:51 <nicolae-> yeah, there's existing vaults
23:55:39 <nicolae-> hm, it still gives me the error when i try &L
23:56:03 <Zannick> might be your vault
23:56:11 <Zannick> can you paste?
23:56:27 <nicolae-> perhaps, it has a weird layout, but the vault does work in D
23:58:20 <nicolae-> paste http://pastebin.com/N1CWQLDE
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23:59:05 <Zannick> this is a different bug if you have allow_dup on the subvault
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23:59:19 <nicolae-> ah
23:59:28 <nicolae-> how so