00:00:07 <|amethyst> not directly in trunk I hope :) 00:00:24 no, under X 00:00:37 I still see destruction as well, but I also see formicids and jump there 00:01:35 * SamB wonders what's a good background for a felid 00:02:53 I'm trying FeBe 00:04:16 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:22 -!- Riddim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:13 <|amethyst> yeah, since I was adding a submenu anyway I left it for now 00:05:28 <|amethyst> since there are people playing it 00:05:48 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2805-g83f2281 (34) 00:05:58 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2805-g83f2281 (34) 00:08:14 -!- runner has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:09:04 hmm, no pouncing + berserking I notice ... 00:09:59 SamB: Yeah, but you still get stabbing bonus 00:10:01 <|amethyst> Not sure when I'll get around to restarting webtiles 00:10:10 SamB: Although I've nerfed that a bit 00:10:24 |amethyst: We are amusting ourselves presently, so no rush :) 00:10:32 <|amethyst> It Would Be Nice If there were a way to add games to webtiles without restarting, but I guess that's come up before 00:10:48 it really would be good to avoid the need to interfere with current sessions when doing that 00:11:02 sshd doesn't have any trouble ... 00:11:19 <|amethyst> sshd forks for every connection 00:11:25 yeah I know 00:12:42 Is it wrong to think of |amethyst as Santa? 00:12:42 <|amethyst> it would also be nice if it weren't possible for a hanging game to wedge all of webtiles 00:12:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: my beard isn't grey enough 00:13:24 * SamB wonders how hard it would be for a webtiles instance to stop listening for new connections so a new one can be started concurrently 00:13:27 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2805-g83f2281 (34) 00:13:37 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:09 <|amethyst> I'm not sure whether two webtiles instances with the same inprogress and socket directories would work properly 00:15:22 * SamB wants a gravity ring 00:16:52 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:56 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:26:38 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:27:00 -!- Riddim has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 00:28:30 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:08 <|amethyst> hey, someone's playing boggle! 00:35:08 -!- Virigoth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:38:12 at least a few people 00:38:31 hopefully elliott and I are responsible for the ability to spectate it 00:38:49 oh, you can do that now? 00:39:48 well I wasn't expecting amethyst to actually add the ability to spectate robotfindskitten but he did 00:39:56 so clearly it was a priority here too 00:40:04 lol 00:40:19 because robotfindskitten is totally an actual game 00:41:06 are you suggesting it isn't 00:41:34 I'm suggesting it's an elaborate joke, yes 00:42:20 also it's really not very playable on a wii with a standard definition screen 00:42:53 * SamB goes to bed now 00:43:07 better that way, yes 00:43:33 maybe you'll wake up and robotfindskitten will be in your heart 00:46:31 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2805-g83f2281 00:46:43 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:47 hello? 00:47:15 they added dwants, Lightli 00:47:18 and jumping 00:49:40 stop lying 00:50:10 making falchions usable by everyone sounds like a good buff to everyone 00:50:12 <|amethyst> Lightli: not in trunk 00:50:13 what, you think this is funny 00:50:18 you think this is some sort of joke 00:50:33 more importantly they added Boggle though 00:50:36 amethyst: Wait, there are plans to have jumping in trunk? 00:50:36 ant people and jumping cats are no laughing matter 00:50:41 |amethyst: can you maybe move Dj to that branch corner too 00:51:03 <|amethyst> Lightli: not at the moment, but there is an experimental branch up on CSZO 00:51:12 <|amethyst> once 0.13 is released, who knows 00:51:22 Lightli: i'd never be lying, you know 00:51:26 brb, going to re-download putty 00:54:11 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:57:37 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:18 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:21 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 01:12:50 |amethyst: can you patch boggle to recognize "zin" and "xom" 01:12:55 p.important 01:13:09 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: :) 01:13:19 <|amethyst> proper names are not generally allowed 01:13:52 this is not a general inquiry 01:16:16 <|amethyst> :P 01:16:34 <|amethyst> wow, the bsdgames readme contains a notice that begins 01:16:56 <|amethyst> This package contains cryptographic software (caesar and rot13). In some jurisdictions, use or distribution of these utilities may be restricted [...] 01:17:16 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:21 rot13 is cryptographic software now? :P 01:17:34 A restricted algorithm 01:18:35 -!- skipdog172 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:21:37 any chance the dwant branch will see some of the newer trunk updates? stuff like new draining, new vorpal etc 01:22:35 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:57 Wow, somehow I assumed it was mostly up to date with TODAY anyway, even if not liable to get further updates. Newdraining isn't exactly that new now either 01:23:04 yeah haha 01:23:17 <|amethyst> if pubby updates his copy of the branch I can push it to our repo, but I am not likely to do the rebasing myself 01:23:20 i had nergalle using deaths door (iirc she had that removed now) 01:23:32 Um, I'm pretty sure she doesn't 01:23:38 Nergalle (16o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 60 | AC/EV: 9/11 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(66) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 804 | Sp: b.draining (3d18), spectral orcs, dispel undead (3d18), haste other, d.door | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:23:38 <|amethyst> %??nergalle 01:23:39 At least I have heard of no such change 01:23:46 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-a0-2700-g8dc4729 01:23:46 <|amethyst> %??-version 01:23:46 oh 01:24:00 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:11 -!- Pisano has quit [] 01:24:17 simmarine: yes dwants are a month or two behind trunk. I can update them later if people like them 01:24:43 dwants are great 01:24:47 just their new name needs fixing 01:24:55 Well, they're not called that even in the branch 01:25:07 Fomorcids or something 01:25:10 theyre actually pretty funny and not as ridiculous as i thought they would be 01:25:19 though they definitely are pretty good right now 01:25:33 DracoOmega: that's my complaint 01:25:43 I'm not actually sure what it is that they do, except something about passive stasis and self-shafting? 01:25:49 just acquired a triple sword and once i find a large shield i can use this manual to give me some rather dumb offense+defense power 01:25:57 -!- walk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:27:03 yeah, you're doing really good. A lot better than my attempts at FoFi! 01:27:08 simmarine: That amulet almost ought to be in apropos randarts :P 01:27:23 haha 01:28:59 -!- enigmoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:29:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:29:51 -!- enigmoo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:34:55 -!- tswett has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 01:39:00 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 01:41:31 <|amethyst> oh, "any weapon" included large rocks 01:41:35 <|amethyst> s/ded/des/ 01:41:40 DracoOmega: also exec axe + shield, infinite digging 01:41:52 Exec axe + shield, what? 01:42:09 simmarine right now has triple sword + shield 01:42:13 Haha, wow 01:42:30 yes 01:42:32 notice my 30 sh 01:42:42 I hadn't been looking for a bit, but I do notice now 01:42:45 Low hp though, I guess? 01:42:47 digging is essentially free. all it costs is hugner 01:42:48 hunger 01:49:56 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 01:51:07 |amethyst: i found your ghost 01:51:59 <|amethyst> simmarine: the one where I shafted myself repeatedly until I died? 01:52:03 yes 01:52:05 <|amethyst> :) 01:52:06 it was a weakling on d:16 01:52:57 dfv etc 01:53:23 i got one to d:24 01:54:05 oh, I just remembered the dwant branch was before an abyss segfault got fixed. Hopefully it doesn't happen on CSZO... 01:54:17 i shafted one directly into anthell 01:54:21 -!- fdel is now known as Nexos 01:54:23 they didn't recognize me as friend 01:55:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: dfv? 01:55:41 dig for victory, nethack strategy 01:55:47 <|amethyst> ohh 01:56:20 <|amethyst> I never did that as a strategy, but I did sometimes try to see just how deep I could get with an archaeologist 02:02:17 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03:29 Is stasis supposed to block impact damage from curare? 02:05:15 <|amethyst> I don't see why it would 02:05:15 noobcanoe (L3 OpSu) (D:3) 02:05:23 <|amethyst> !lm noobcanoe crash -log 02:05:23 5. noobcanoe, XL27 HuFE, T:235979 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/noobcanoe/crash-noobcanoe-20130525-230356.txt 02:05:34 Basil: maybe it isn't handling rPois- correctly? 02:05:46 Perhaps. 02:05:55 buppy: so this free digging... 02:05:56 Sonja just shot me 4-6 times and nothing happened. 02:06:05 That free digging is really nice. 02:06:20 how about adding a cost to it 02:06:38 like MP plus breath timer 02:06:52 or hp 02:06:53 or how about removing it 02:07:04 I tested mp cost and it was still practically free except more annoying 02:07:31 also how about changing stasis to -Tele 02:07:38 <|amethyst> Basil: looks like it works okay 02:08:03 Basil: AC can stop curare if you are the player iirc 02:09:11 Sabaki (L4 HaWn) ASSERT(power > 0) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 252 failed. (D:2) 02:10:17 <|amethyst> !lm noobcanoe crash -log 02:10:17 6. noobcanoe, XL3 OpSu, T:2939 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/noobcanoe/crash-noobcanoe-20130825-070514.txt 02:10:23 <|amethyst> !lm sabaki crash -log 02:10:23 17. Sabaki, XL4 HaWn, T:1693 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sabaki/crash-Sabaki-20130825-070910.txt 02:11:10 buppy: just breath timer then? but i'm still not convinced 02:11:21 noobcanoe (L3 OpSu) (D:3) 02:11:34 and they will absolutely never exist if that free stuff isn't fixed anyways 02:11:48 noobcanoe (L3 OpSu) (D:3) 02:12:10 Oh, didn't know that. 02:12:10 noobcanoe (L3 OpSu) (D:3) 02:12:43 <|amethyst> noobcanoe's crash is in _ms_waste_of_time 02:14:19 <|amethyst> oh, DracoOmega misplaced a parenthesis 02:15:03 ChrisOelmueller: dunno yet. We'll see once they get some wins. 02:15:41 hp cost is a decent idea though 02:15:50 well if your goal is inclusion in crawl, you might start fixing the obvious issues right away 02:16:42 e.g. the -Tele instead of stasis, which elliptic mentioned 02:16:54 noobcanoe (L3 OpSu) (D:3) 02:16:56 I did fix the obvious issues... from my perspective. 02:16:57 |amethyst: I did? 02:17:10 |amethyst: Also, I am afraid that I am literally falling asleep over here 02:17:23 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: I've got it, testing before I push 02:17:26 buppy: that's why i'm adding the ones others see to the mix 02:17:27 <|amethyst> %git 74b6ab5 02:18:28 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-2799-g74b6ab5: Mark sleep and hibernation as useless against targets inherantly immune to sleep 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74b6ab59c7dd 02:18:28 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: also it looks like it would make monsters not fire any of the hexes at unsleepable players 02:19:05 <|amethyst> (!foe->can_sleep() is outside the disjunction that contains !foe) 02:19:13 Oh dear, oops? =/ 02:19:45 <|amethyst> no big deal; I've done similar 02:21:17 ChrisOelmueller: I'll take note and we'll see how they can be improved 02:21:43 In any case, I must go and sleep now 02:21:49 Night! 02:21:51 <|amethyst> night 02:22:13 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:43 DarkMoon (L16 DEWz) ERROR in 'spl-util.cc' at line 894: ASSERT failed: spell of 11323228 out of range 0 (0) .. NUM_SPELLS (260) (Shoals:3) 02:23:26 <|amethyst> !lm DarkMoon crash -log 02:23:26 1. DarkMoon, XL16 DEWz, T:35109 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/DarkMoon/crash-DarkMoon-20130825-072243.txt 02:23:52 <|amethyst> hm, that one involves monster descriptions 02:24:51 nice spell id 02:28:15 hmm how do faun and satyr relate, for crawl genus purposes? 02:28:47 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:29:27 <|amethyst> hm, xv on a siren crashes reliably 02:29:59 <|amethyst> oh, they're M_SPELLCASTER with no spells but also not randomised spells 02:33:32 yeah, dwants or formids would be amazing if they only had -tele rather than perma-stasis 02:34:50 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:34:54 also why does MONS_GNOME still exist - it's not even used as genus 02:35:38 -!- caracal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35:53 well, grated community thought it funny to place one, so that qualifies as unused 02:37:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:38:09 -!- caracal has quit [Changing host] 02:44:14 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:34 <|amethyst> Sabaki's crash is a power-zero spell 02:47:22 <|amethyst> possibly by a drained jessica 02:49:28 <|amethyst> oh, yes... she was drained to 0 HD it seems 02:50:50 how can monsters be drained to 0 HD and live 02:50:58 while players who get drained below level 1 die 02:52:30 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:52:33 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:17 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 02:53:38 well good thing draining changed right 02:55:26 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:24 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:59:27 what does draining monsters do now 02:59:44 <|amethyst> I didn't think that changed 02:59:55 so....... is it INCONSISTENT........... 03:00:03 because if so 03:00:04 it should be reverted 03:01:33 well can you actually die now that skilldraining is what happens 03:01:51 sorry i don't care about arguments 03:01:59 it's the inconsistency that really gets me 03:05:47 tewe (L23 MfDK) (D:27) 03:06:35 -!- Sabaki has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:52 <|amethyst> !lm tewe crash -log 03:06:53 3. tewe, XL23 MfDK, T:78625 (milestone): http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/tewe/crash-tewe-20130825-080546.txt 03:08:56 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:27 tewe (L23 MfDK) (D:27) 03:12:33 <|amethyst> hm actually it did change, but only in that it now disregards power 03:13:04 <|amethyst> (not spell power) 03:13:12 VengefulCarrot (L9 CeTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6011 failed. (D:9) 03:13:50 <|amethyst> that's the constriction one that enigmoo had earlier 03:13:57 <|amethyst> !lm VengefulCarrot crash -log 03:13:57 3. VengefulCarrot, XL9 CeTm, T:9713 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/VengefulCarrot/crash-VengefulCarrot-20130825-081311.txt 03:14:17 <|amethyst> also involves S2S 03:15:32 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:17:33 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:14 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18:46 <|amethyst> hm... to prevent draining monsters below 1 HD, or to kill them when it happens 03:19:28 have a coinflip decide 03:19:34 the only true way 03:22:40 <|amethyst> also, I wonder if there is any other situation that could lead to an HD 0 monster 03:22:55 polymorph? 03:23:57 Crash with SIGBUS by croikle 03:27:17 -!- themummra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:28:03 <|amethyst> doesn't look like polymorph will do it 03:30:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2806-g1349002: Don't crash when foeless monsters consider casting hexes (#7512) 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1349002da3a8 03:30:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2807-g9c95cb4: Don't crash when doing xv on a siren. 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 62+ 57-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c95cb4128df 03:30:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2808-gda3a3b1: Don't drain monsters to 0 HD. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=da3a3b125144 03:31:38 yay 03:31:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2808-gda3a3b1 (34) 03:33:49 <|amethyst> hm... now to investigate the s2s thing 03:33:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:36:23 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:44 <|amethyst> hm, since they have fake abjuration they time out with KILL_MISC instead of KILL_{DISMISSED,RESET} 03:41:18 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:41:54 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2808-gda3a3b1 (34) 03:43:49 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:46:22 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2808-gda3a3b1 (34) 03:47:23 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 03:51:01 -!- Soner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:15 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:59:37 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:01:17 <|amethyst> I don't think I'm going to be able to fix (or even properly diagnose) the constriction crash tonight 04:01:41 <|amethyst> time for sleep 04:02:03 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:05:09 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 04:08:19 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:14 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:45 nht (L9 DsHu) (D:8) 04:20:14 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:25:18 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:27:13 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:33 -!- dagonfive has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:31:08 Crash on autoexplore by nht 04:39:29 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:07 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Excess Flood] 04:43:51 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:43:59 -!- Nexos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:45:10 -!- Pedjt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:45:10 -!- dazzle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:45:44 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:45:45 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47:43 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:37 -!- Virigoth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:48:37 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:49:07 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:23 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:31 -!- ebarrett has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 04:52:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:57:57 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:17 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:35 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:30 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:08:30 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 05:10:34 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:13:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:20:44 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6012 failed. 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(D:4) 10:02:27 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6012 failed. (D:4) 10:08:59 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:09:05 -!- VolteccerJack_ is now known as VolteccerJack 10:10:59 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:13:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:16:22 <|amethyst> I wish I knew how to reproduce the state that causes that crash 10:16:53 <|amethyst> I've tried changing levels several times while a S2S ball python is constricting a monster 10:24:43 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:05 -!- Burer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28:18 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:36:23 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:36 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6012 failed. 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It saves so shouldn't lose data, but it's still kind of disruptive 16:02:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let buppy know. 16:03:15 |amethyst: how about disabling any race that's not dwant in dwant branch? 16:03:47 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:55 avoiding folks playing in that branch accidentally 16:04:33 <|amethyst> it's kind of hard to accidentally get there 16:04:38 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:07 well, you could of course be trying to play the other great experimental stuff 16:05:17 but also it hints at what's new there 16:05:17 dwants are a thing, huh? 16:05:24 |amethyst: feel free to pull destruction branch 16:05:55 <|amethyst> besides, someone might want to see how fares against formicid monsters 16:06:08 I'd be supportive of moving that destruction effect to volcano/ice cave, and perhaps as hell effects, but not so much in general 16:06:19 |amethyst: ... 16:06:34 <|amethyst> bh: need to figure out a good way to prevent new games without disabling it entirely 16:07:04 <|amethyst> I guess maybe I shouldn't worry about killing in-progress games in an experimental branch :) 16:07:45 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: devs for example 16:07:58 !arena ChrosOelmueller v 5 formicid, 3 formicid drone, formicid venom mage 16:08:11 |amethyst: can't those spawn the monsters anyways 16:08:11 |amethyst: if you made a crawl server image in a box, it would be the best thing ever :D 16:08:29 also fixing up their race while we're at it 16:08:46 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: not in trunk 16:09:18 <|amethyst> bh: hmm 16:09:30 are all the steps documented? 16:09:40 <|amethyst> bh: No time for it any time soon, but the server setup guide is more complete than it once was 16:09:45 <|amethyst> not all of them 16:09:49 <|amethyst> but most 16:09:59 <|amethyst> towards the end it gets a bit fuzzy :) 16:10:13 |amethyst: In the jump branch, I think it might be good to give all boot wearing species boots of jumping at start for testing purposes. Otherwise you have to use Fe 16:10:27 oh hey kilobyte, question ahead 16:10:29 <|amethyst> though I did try to remember to put in issues that TZer0 and joosa pointed out 16:10:32 ??jumping 16:10:33 I don't have a page labeled jumping in my learndb. 16:10:37 ??jump 16:10:38 jump attack[1/2]: A new experimental branch on CSZO. Adds a jump attack ability that attacks a target at range, after choosing a random, safe landing site adjacent to the monster and moving the player there. Attacks for 120% damage (with any relevant stabbing bonus, but reduced a bit). 16:11:12 |amethyst: I can make that commit and push it to my branch, if you think it's not a bad idea 16:11:17 why are these two separate branches? 16:11:25 <|amethyst> hm, maybe, since the branch would probably be rebased (so that commit could be removed) if it does go to trunk 16:11:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte: in case we want to merge one and not the other 16:12:12 kilobyte: i'm renaming MONS_DRAGON the monster to MONS_FIRE_DRAGON (only in-code), keeping MONS_DRAGON as D genus. do you remember whether that was also considered bad for some reason in 4d5c11a30? 16:12:12 yeah, I mean on the server 16:12:46 also i think they should be named "fire dragon" in any case, but if that keeps the change from existing i'll at least split it off 16:12:56 <|amethyst> kilobyte: experimental branches really are branches in the git sense 16:13:49 %git 4d5c11a30 16:13:50 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-1368-g4d5c11a: Rename dragon armour to "fire dragon armour". Just the item, not monster. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 16 files, 53+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d5c11a30496 16:13:56 ChrisOelmueller: not sure what would be the point. They're already of the genus "dragon", what's wrong with this? 16:13:57 <|amethyst> I guess if someone wants to make a jumping_dwants merge for CSZO purposes that would work, but that would increase the difficulty of applying bug fixes 16:15:36 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: Having two monsters with the same name probably wouldn't work very well 16:15:49 kilobyte: some code uses DRAGON as genus, other code uses it as monster. also i'm reviewing the other changes Eronarn did, so i'm changing quite some of those relations 16:16:15 |amethyst: yeah i'm currently using the genus one with name "D" instead of "dragon" to avoid that 16:16:21 <|amethyst> why? 16:16:33 <|amethyst> are you seperating all genera from real monsters? 16:16:35 ChrisOelmueller: there is exactly one case where you can't choose an arbitrary member of a genus: many foos coming into view 16:16:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:55 |amethyst: some of them, yes 16:17:01 which is why we currently have a "giant" or such genus-only monster 16:17:15 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: what technical issues are solved by doing that with dragons? 16:17:20 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: code searchability? 16:17:34 a "dragon" genus works just as well as an "orc" genus 16:17:39 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: also, "4 Dragons come into view" looks weird 16:17:44 more like readability but sure 16:18:58 what's so unreadable in a "dragon" genus? 16:19:00 <|amethyst> I agree with kilobyte that the only reason to have a separate monster for the genus is if none of the representatives have a generic enough name 16:19:25 on the other hand, having two monsters with the same name is possible but requires hacks, which goes against readability 16:19:29 then i'll just keep both those in one commit 16:19:33 <|amethyst> I would suspect that most places that use MONS_DRAGON to refer to the genus also have a function name with the word "genus" nearby 16:19:34 like, "Mara" or "rakshasa" 16:19:58 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: "those" = that and a real rename to "fire dragon"? That makes sense I think 16:20:12 yep 16:20:18 most genera have a monster same as their name, so dragons are a rule rather than an exception 16:20:42 i'm kind of bending that rule then :-) 16:20:43 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: are you re-adding MONS_IMP ? 16:20:49 yes 16:20:56 <|amethyst> I approve of that 16:22:21 not-final list, http://bpaste.net/show/3jdZKprzFg4UPqjicuX1/ 16:22:21 <|amethyst> M_CANT_SPAWN of course 16:22:35 all of those are except deep_elf, yes 16:22:45 thank god. MONS_IMP was a good idea, MON_RANDOM_DEMON_SHIT was ill conceived 16:22:54 <|amethyst> I don't agree with spectral weapon/spectral thing 16:23:00 of course some of those commits will be controversial, yes 16:23:24 I'd be very hesitant about genus'ing electric eels into 'fish' 16:23:25 will just have to start with the ones most people agree with and work from there 16:23:32 <|amethyst> bh: why? 16:23:36 <|amethyst> oh 16:23:44 <|amethyst> "five fish come into view" 16:23:45 "Two fish come into view" -- ZAP! 16:24:03 <|amethyst> it is still separate in the monster list and has a different colour 16:24:17 <|amethyst> it's no different from orcs and orc high priests 16:24:21 do travel stoppers work off "come into view"? 16:24:40 mhm there's fun to be had there, i see 16:24:54 <|amethyst> bh: monsters coming into view stops travel by default, yes 16:25:14 |amethyst: erm, I mean for forcing '*** MORE ***' 16:25:15 <|amethyst> bh: the options for avoiding that for specific monsters use regexps on the monster names, not genera 16:25:23 ah 16:25:31 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:41 <|amethyst> ah, force_more only sees the message, so would be a problem 16:26:01 <|amethyst> still, I don't think that's justification for separate genera 16:26:05 for some of those i just applied the changes by Eronarn where i didn't particularly agree with them, so i'd like to have a vote too 16:26:11 I agree. That's a reason for making force_more better 16:26:12 for instance i didn't like the boggart change 16:26:51 ??boggart 16:26:52 boggart[1/7]: Very weak by themselves until they start summoning, at which point they can be extremely dangerous. Can instantly summon 8 yaktaurs or slime creatures. They have very low HP and MR, so zapping or casting disintegration, fireball, paralyze, enslave, confusion, and polymorph are all safe options. 16:26:53 and also making tengu "bird" species is not justified with the amount of new tengu that exist "now" 16:27:11 oh i didn't include that one in the list because it's on the next page, nice 16:27:13 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:16 <|amethyst> oh 16:27:17 tengu are unlike ravens and harpies 16:27:21 <|amethyst> no, tengu should not be "birds" 16:27:28 <|amethyst> any more than they should be "humans" 16:27:42 heh, it also did put halflings as humans 16:27:54 abstaining from that for now :o 16:28:04 <|amethyst> that used to be the case 16:28:16 crawl: where we don't just paint the bikeshed, we add skylights. 16:28:20 <|amethyst> %git 931ceae9 16:28:20 07dolorous02 * 0.11-a0-1965-g931ceae: Properly set halfling genus to MONS_HALFLING. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=931ceae9aba8 16:28:31 yes, i'm reverting some of dolorous' changes 16:28:49 i.e. this, the ancient champion ones, the skulls as skeletons, others exist 16:30:29 -!- G-Flex has quit [] 16:30:38 <|amethyst> I don't like skulls as skeletons 16:30:44 <|amethyst> "a skull is a skeleton" 16:30:47 <|amethyst> that is a false statement 16:31:09 <|amethyst> "an ancient champion is a skeletal warrior" --- that is fine 16:31:24 bh: I was talking about abyssal uniques with other devs/players, and it was pointed out that abyss isn't a great place for uniques 16:31:37 right. the point of my work here is to split Eronarn's into bite-sized chunks that can be discussed then 16:31:43 some of them making the cut, some not making it 16:31:44 gammafunk: since it's too unpredictable and you might get whisked away? 16:31:59 bh: Since the main motivation for killing a unique is to clear a floor so you can move on, whereas in abyss you're trying to run away or just run to stairs 16:32:05 of course i'll have formed my own opinion about some, so shooting the messenger just a bit is fine 16:32:05 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: that sounds reasonable 16:32:12 yeah I suppose the shifting is also a factor 16:32:46 you can't do much work from commits like https://github.com/Eronarn/Crawling-Chaos/commit/978788c6b5c4cc2cdb41e35afc5e809d20b1f216 after all 16:32:50 (warning huge) 16:33:06 dpeg had some cute ideas about how you could motivate the "xom's teddy bear unique" (e.g. give the player good xom attention for some duration after you kill it) 16:33:51 but I'm wondering if you still think it's worth it to pursue abyssal uniques 16:33:54 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: yeah, something similar (but not as huge) is part of the reason the LO temperature changes aren't in trunk 16:34:12 -!- ophanim has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:34:36 maybe you should try and find someone caring about those as i do with genera/species to split it too, heh 16:35:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:42 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:07 oh i also have the changes to uniques he proposed 16:36:27 bh: uniques in the Abyss are really clingy, so it's actually a good place for one 16:36:55 i.e. Maurice: Halfling - Jessica: High Elf - Harold: Tengu - Norris: Demigod 16:37:11 (harold color changed in the process due to sojobo) 16:37:21 about genera: I kind of think we should remove most if not all genus-only monsters and do it as a string mapping 16:37:21 kilobyte: interesting, I wasn't familiar with their mechanics 16:37:30 would also fix bugs with renames 16:38:23 kilobyte: You think an abyssal unique is an ok idea? 16:39:03 bh, the only abyss creature that can cast you into the abyss inside the abyss 16:39:04 bh: might be good to cut the chance for other uniques to respawn in the Abyss 16:39:16 it's currently 50% on every shift 16:39:23 Zannick: wut...? 16:39:33 an abyssal unique! name it bh :P 16:39:38 :P 16:39:46 Zannick: that would be pretty appropriate 16:39:47 ChrisOelmueller: fwiw i only pushed it like that because someone wanted to see it 16:39:49 I would love to !abyss whoever it was that stole my newspaper. 16:40:04 !send bh The New York Times 16:40:05 Sending The New York Times to bh. 16:40:06 the branch was highly experimental 16:40:19 mostly to figure out which uniques we should reassign 16:40:22 that's where that list came from 16:40:28 gammafunk: seriously. I think I'm the only person in the building who subscribes grr. 16:41:01 bh: I have a digital susbscription at least 16:41:05 Eronarn: i wouldn't have invested work if not agreeing with at least some parts 16:41:16 i'm surprised anyone but me remembered it! 16:41:38 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.13-a0-2809-g04436d7: Prevent wanderers from wielding 2h + shield. 10(8 weeks ago, 2 files, 25+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04436d723803 16:41:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2810-g19a7021: Store the summoner in struct monster. 10(21 hours ago, 4 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19a70210ad1b 16:41:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2811-g2c4599a: Store battlesphere's owner in monster.summoner. 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c4599aed998 16:41:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2812-g0d63de4: Store IOOD's caster in monster.summoner. 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d63de4f1ac2 16:41:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2813-g0b72a8e: Store spectral weapon's owner in monster.summoner. 10(20 hours ago, 4 files, 9+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b72a8e84ca8 16:41:44 (i didn't remember it until I started getting highlighted a ton) 16:41:49 Eronarn: the current graph is at http://6g6.eu/sih0-eronarn.png by the way 16:43:02 whoa. That's shameful. I have the highest level poison death 16:43:11 !lg . pois max=xl 16:43:12 47. bh the Severer (L20 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, succumbed to poison on Snake:5 on 2009-08-20 15:03:00, with 204756 points after 55569 turns and 5:06:18. 16:43:13 poor apis, off by itself 16:43:15 !lg . pois max=xl -log 16:43:16 47. bh, XL20 HOPr, T:55569: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/bh/morgue-bh-20090820-150300.txt 16:43:24 hmm weird 16:43:25 !hs * ktyp=pois 16:43:26 112288. partyhat the Talismancer (L27 HEMo), worshipper of Makhleb, succumbed to a Green Death's bolt of poison in Pandemonium on 2012-11-26 04:02:06, with 1235508 points after 164403 turns and 18:03:36. 16:43:27 what kind of elf is fannar? 16:43:31 bh: that's your highest level poison death 16:43:35 !lg * max=l pois 16:43:36 Unknown field: l 16:43:36 <|amethyst> Eronarn: deep 16:43:39 !lg * max=lvl pois 16:43:39 oops 16:43:40 112288. hayenne the Enchanter (L21 SpEn), worshipper of Makhleb, succumbed to poison on D:27 on 2009-04-23 20:40:23, with 267431 points after 80399 turns and 9:17:56. 16:43:42 really? 16:43:47 Zannick: not lvl 16:43:48 |amethyst: well he's not that way on the chart 16:43:49 xl 16:43:51 elliptic: right, bad syntax 16:43:52 bh: get good 16:43:53 !lg * max=place pois 16:43:54 112288. Disco the Blademaster (L27 DsAs), worshipper of Makhleb, succumbed to a Green Death's poison arrow on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2010-07-02 17:15:01, with 592479 points after 116417 turns and 12:01:43. 16:43:55 i couldn't find a reference to that in the book that is his description 16:44:09 elliptic: was trying for place, thanks though 16:44:11 ??lg 16:44:12 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt 16:44:23 also can somebody cut that description already... 16:44:33 should ancient zymes be horrors rather than abominations? 16:45:01 for the new abyssal stuff i put those two into horrors because i don't think they're sufficiently fleshy 16:45:12 <|amethyst> I'm not sure why MONS_ELF needs to exist 16:45:26 how do you get suicides from !lg? 16:45:26 <|amethyst> well 16:45:30 <|amethyst> I guess because of players 16:45:31 |amethyst: genus 16:45:35 <|amethyst> yeah 16:45:42 <|amethyst> the species should be deep elf though 16:45:50 <|amethyst> but then we'd need two dummy monsters 16:45:59 Eronarn: i.e. starcursed mass is a similar case 16:46:01 <|amethyst> (or one with kilobyte's suggestion) 16:46:15 |amethyst: also, players are not all deep elves 16:46:19 anyways cool, i think the unique changes will be more visible 16:46:29 but it's good to revisit stuff like that 16:46:31 Eronarn: I'm in favor of horrors. Abominations are undead 16:46:33 lots of weird categorizations in place currently 16:46:36 ancient zyme (03x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 38-66 | AC/EV: 6/6 | Dam: 1605(drain strength), 1605(drain dexterity) | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(53), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 327 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:46:36 %??ancient zyme 16:46:38 |amethyst: right now there's HIGH_ELF genus too due to jessica changing 16:46:42 bh: right that was my thought 16:46:44 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 11 | HP: 32-67 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(102), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 726 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 16:46:44 %??large abomination 16:46:45 so i'd like cutting ELF 16:46:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yeah, the genus makes sense now that I think about it more 16:46:53 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: that shouldn't be a genus 16:46:54 bh: abominations are demons too 16:46:58 <|amethyst> all elfs should be the same genus 16:47:09 oh, species of course 16:47:15 now i'm getting confused myself already 16:47:18 sorry! 16:47:30 <|amethyst> MONS_ELF is necessary as kilobyte points out because of players 16:47:51 <|amethyst> I guess not strictly necessary in that we could add special-case code like we do for merfolk/mermaids 16:48:07 i gave ELF the CANT_SPAWN in favor of deep elves 16:48:10 also, Fannar, Dowan and Duvessa are regular elves rather than deep ones 16:48:35 ??duvessa 16:48:36 duvessa[1/4]: Early deep elf unique fighter (no spells), has the same kit as a deep elf fighter. Shows up with her brother, {Dowan}. Will go berserk if you kill Dowan in her sight, or the next time she sees you otherwise. Will not follow you across stairs without Dowan, unless you've killed him. 16:48:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so are deep elf 16:48:44 ??dowan 16:48:45 dowan[1/4]: Early deep elf unique caster. Casts throw frost, throw flame, haste, corona and minor healing. Shows up with his sister, {Duvessa}. Will find "hidden reserves of power" when Duvessa dies, be hasted, and replace his conjurations with throw icicle, stone arrow, corona with blink. 16:49:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte: in flavour Fannar is a deep elf 16:49:15 !learn edit duvessa[1] s/Early deep/Early/ 16:49:16 duvessa[1/4]: Early elf unique fighter (no spells), has the same kit as a deep elf fighter. Shows up with her brother, {Dowan}. Will go berserk if you kill Dowan in her sight, or the next time she sees you otherwise. Will not follow you across stairs without Dowan, unless you've killed him. 16:49:26 |amethyst: "Elven Halls" so yeah 16:50:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I think they *should* belong to an actual species, it's just that those don't exist 16:50:39 <|amethyst> high or deep I'm indifferent to 16:50:49 I kind of wonder if it makes sense to have a "deep elf" _species_ 16:51:00 <|amethyst> kilobyte: that's what I was suggesting :) 16:51:10 i added that. 16:51:14 it'd be kind of like having a "causasian human" and "black human" specie 16:51:40 <|amethyst> kilobyte: We don't know how far diverged they are 16:51:53 ie, these kinds sound more like a race rather than a species to me. Not a big difference, but in fantasy elf kinds can interbreed. 16:51:57 that would make sense if crawl was a game about the heritable bits of immunology 16:51:59 -!- walk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:52:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it might be more like having a "human" and "neanderthal" species 16:52:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: ( without the temporal implications) 16:52:52 |amethyst: though the neandertal researchers tend to claim that we probably couldn't distinguish a human from a neandertal if we saw them walking down the street 16:52:58 okay, high or deep for dowan+duvessa? if jessica goes to high, 3 vs. 1 on deep vs. high should work better than 2/2 16:53:18 ChrisOelmueller: I've assumed they were high elves, since they appear outside of Elf 16:53:27 putting this another way: where does the species matter? I can't really recall any cases other than TSO/Elyvilon food restrictions here. 16:53:38 bh: but so does fannar 16:54:00 kilobyte: elf-slaying weapons ;) 16:54:09 bh: that's genus not species 16:54:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: species doesn't matter for that, genus does 16:54:35 bh: (and some deep elves in certain vaults do too) 16:54:41 |amethyst: heh, even more 16:55:06 so, what would such a change even get us, besides bloating the list of monsters? 16:55:34 <|amethyst> corpses and reanimation 16:55:34 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:43 <|amethyst> "deep elf zombie of Fannar" 16:55:56 <|amethyst> or does that use genus too? 16:56:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:21 <|amethyst> ah, yes, that one is species 16:56:42 we could just remove elves entirely :) 16:57:10 why does the concept of genus/species exist at all if the goal is a "not bloated" list of something 16:57:15 just "elf zombie" sounds a tiny notch better to me 16:57:30 granted maybe i just hate the sound of "bloat" but i don't think it's an argument for or against anything 16:58:32 <|amethyst> also polymorph 16:58:44 <|amethyst> not that that's anything but cosmetic 16:59:05 |amethyst: I gave all boot-wearable species boots of jumping for testing purposes. The jump_attack branch at git://gitorious.org/~gammafunk/crawl/crawl-gammafunk.git is updated 16:59:19 demon tiers for message purposes is something i'd care about 17:00:17 also "fire dragon" as luck has it :< 17:00:57 ChrisOelmueller: we had this discussion a few weeks back when I wrote my dumb demon patch. They don't fit cleanly into genuses 17:03:14 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:55 right, I was trying to recall that discussion. Classifying demons is pretty hard 17:04:00 bh: what's wrong with the glyphs as i listed above? 17:04:22 bottom of http://bpaste.net/show/3jdZKprzFg4UPqjicuX1/ 17:05:01 devil v. demon? 17:05:09 also what patch is that 17:05:31 ice devil (3) A man-sized demon covered in glittering ice. 17:06:50 %git f2d916f5364 17:06:51 07bh02 * 0.13-a0-2131-gf2d916f: Demonic Taxonomy 10(8 weeks ago, 2 files, 33+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2d916f53646 17:07:20 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: imps and executioners are also listed as "demons" there 17:07:42 i was just implying "devil v. demon" sounded weird to me 17:08:06 <|amethyst> "demon" is really an entire holiness so I don't think is correct for a genus 17:08:33 "common demon" sounds just bad though 17:08:39 so does "lesser demon" 17:08:43 <|amethyst> also 17:08:47 <|amethyst> red devil 17:08:49 <|amethyst> A larger cousin of the common imp,... 17:10:37 i think arbitrary line-drawing without looking at the flavor much kinda works for demons 17:10:55 tiers 3 and 4 are not differentiated enough in my opinion to warrant two different groups 17:11:11 unlike, say, imps and 2 v.s 1 17:11:31 sixfy's are dangerous, everything else is sort of "Oh a 3 or a 4" 17:11:45