00:00:53 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.2-22-g286eab9 00:01:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2776-g5b28ffd (34) 00:04:32 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:05:22 Stable (0.12) branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.12.2-22-g286eab9 00:05:25 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:51 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.2-22-g286eab9 (34) 00:06:40 |amethyst: i'd call being unable to cast meph a feature 00:08:53 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:09:13 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:26 <|amethyst> well, it was even worse than that 00:10:11 <|amethyst> theoretically a fire storm targetted on the player could get no flame clouds or vortices 00:10:27 <|amethyst> you need a really weak fire storm and lots of AC, but it's possible 00:10:36 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2776-g5b28ffd (34) 00:10:46 nice 00:12:14 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:25 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:13:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2777-gc6a1667: Improve formatting. 10(61 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6a16679a632 00:13:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2778-g5436301: Try harder to avoid a wind blast crash (#7445) 10(61 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5436301d3150 00:13:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2779-gee33656: Don't prevent clouds with player AC. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee33656166bf 00:14:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:44 <|amethyst> I guess I lied in that last commit message 00:15:02 <|amethyst> now immolation can cancel cold clouds and create steam near water 00:15:06 <|amethyst> previously it couldn't 00:15:35 i can pull up an old mantis report asking for the steam thing 00:15:38 if it helps :) 00:16:04 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=414 00:16:08 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2776-g5b28ffd (34) 00:16:22 <|amethyst> hahaha 00:16:30 <|amethyst> nice :) 00:19:21 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 00:21:26 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:46 <|amethyst> I also just realised I split those first two (2777 and 2778) incorrectly 00:23:11 <|amethyst> wasn't aware of the "s" command in git add -p 00:23:47 <|amethyst> oh, looks like it wouldn't have worked anyway 00:30:18 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 00:32:32 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:47 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2779-gee33656 00:37:06 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:12 could somebody check those canned messages in msgwin? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=884 00:38:18 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:38:35 they don't appear to do much in current master as well, but i don't think just ignoring that fact is good :P 00:39:25 Level annotations could use inscription functionality by OG17 00:40:00 oh nice, also what 00:40:17 does that predate chei's archives 00:48:16 <|amethyst> looks like chei's seen-items cache has both 0844 and 844 now 00:48:38 <|amethyst> so either something changed in how Mantis reports it, or I screwed up when initially populating the cache 00:48:42 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:50:24 <|amethyst> don't appear to do much? 00:51:57 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:52:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:55:03 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: the last one should be a can't-happen, right? 00:55:21 yeah 00:56:15 didn't particularly like the two switches there but well, copy/paste is not nice either 00:57:58 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Quit: gammafunk_] 01:00:23 i'm not getting anywhere with the inventory and shopping -more- lines due to perfectionism, so here's the preview http://bpaste.net/show/HMfezrcEf09Ri5Jj8kS4/ 01:00:40 the overloading is super awkward so i don't expect that to land anywhere, but i was lazy 01:02:21 there's another instance that uses almost the same thing but not quite (startup errors, which also confirm with Enter apparently) - didn't want to mess with that 01:03:54 <|amethyst> menu code is too much for me to look at at this hour :) 01:04:10 haha 01:04:28 i'll throw it onto mantis then 01:04:44 maybe this one is just small enough? http://bpaste.net/show/e7p9WGQbz6hUGNCAau51/ 01:05:07 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-2780-gf297046: Allow (add, replace, clear) for level annotations 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 51+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f297046efa08 01:05:07 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2781-gbcad30d: Improve a type. 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bcad30dabc11 01:06:43 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:54 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:27 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:11:14 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: Solving that one slightly differently 01:11:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11:58 this cycle thing is the worst 01:12:05 but sure, go ahead :o 01:12:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2782-gd1430c4: Fix alignment when changing action in shopping list (ChrisOelmueller) 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1430c45d1c8 01:12:56 i failed at making it more accessible too, simply because i couldn't figure out nice code that would translate the action order into strings 01:13:27 <|amethyst> we use them to mean different things in different places anyway 01:13:37 considered something like this: change action (to %s, then to %s) 01:13:53 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Changing host] 01:14:12 but when i tried a hacked up example it didn't work that well either 01:14:29 <|amethyst> seems a bit long 01:14:36 -!- Aidenn_ has quit [Changing host] 01:15:15 there's plenty of space after i'm done with all the stuff that will never be finished 01:15:19 due to menu code ( 01:15:40 <|amethyst> maybe [a-z: examine ?/!: delete, travel] which would change to [a-z: delete ?/!: travel, examine] ? 01:16:05 ugh... that patch about annotations you just applied goes entirely the wrong direction 01:16:09 <|amethyst> really probably the names of the actions should be determined by a virtual method 01:16:20 kilobyte: it does? 01:16:25 it applies the abomination in another case instead of purging the crap away 01:16:27 <|amethyst> what do you mean? 01:16:38 i see how it's bad with items, but i frequently do want to edit level annotations 01:16:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:48 <|amethyst> what should it do, always replace? 01:16:57 I commented, but while I was typing it you already applied it 01:16:59 yeah 01:17:08 would allow axing all that code too 01:17:43 Teleported into inaccesible room on D1 with the only exit being a staircase out of the dungeon by NekoRex 01:17:49 -!- ddee has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:51 -!- Aidenn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:51 -!- lavos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:17:51 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:18:23 good vault 01:20:33 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 01:20:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 01:22:13 <|amethyst> and what's up with that hatch? 01:22:22 <|amethyst> the 1x1 room it's in, I mean 01:22:53 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:33 it's connected diagonally 01:23:58 it's just tiles that make it look like it's a 1x1 room 01:24:16 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:25 what is the entry vault on that level? 01:24:55 because it looks more like a level layout builder that screwed up 01:25:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: then it's a very strange corridor 01:26:01 speaking of which, what is the level layout on that level? 01:26:59 <|amethyst> !lg nekorex 01:27:00 808. NekoRex the Slasher (L2 DjBe), worshipper of Trog, got out of the dungeon alive on 2013-08-24 06:19:53, with 29 points after 218 turns and 0:02:50. 01:27:17 <|amethyst> !lg nekorex -log 01:27:18 808. NekoRex, XL2 DjBe, T:218: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/NekoRex/morgue-NekoRex-20130824-061953.txt 01:27:35 <|amethyst> no clue 01:28:30 <|amethyst> need to add a save backup option for webtiles 01:29:25 one of ancient ones, I'd say -- there are some that place rooms and corridors blindly atop one another, producing such a result 01:29:56 <|amethyst> kilobyte: how do you feel about "Really clear the annotation?" ? 01:30:18 <|amethyst> I guess you need some way to cancel 01:30:44 esc? 01:31:03 enter confirms, esc cancels 01:31:21 kilobyte: as you can probably guess, i would use this for annotations 01:31:27 don't care much about items 01:31:29 <|amethyst> oh, right 01:32:50 definitely don't think just offering overwrite is the better interface here 01:33:26 ChrisOelmueller: so you want it as an option then, right? 01:34:16 i don't think you gain much by making it an option, no 01:34:43 so outright revert + removal? 01:35:09 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:35:40 how about removing the prompt for items but keeping the one for annotations? 01:37:07 <|amethyst> I've got both prepared 01:37:19 <|amethyst> so can push whatever 01:37:19 might sound weird but i don't see how the problem of retyping annotations has been solved just by time passing 01:37:29 and that seems to be your argument 01:39:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:43 extra keystrokes, especially ones that make you stop and read the interface 01:40:06 also, inconsistency with items if they get simplified 01:40:15 <|amethyst> What if you want to add a note about a level? 01:40:29 <|amethyst> copy-paste doesn't work in tiles 01:40:35 <|amethyst> not local tiles anyway 01:40:50 hrm bad tiles :p 01:40:59 they spoil the day again 01:41:03 being able to just append text saves many keystrokes i'd argue 01:41:35 i'm fine with trashing the "clear" option and making empty "replace" do that 01:41:38 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42:18 in fact i had my patch doing that and then made it conform to the item inscriptions instead 01:42:19 ChrisOelmueller: what would it give us if you'd need to enter a menu anyway? 01:43:13 the first (player) annotation of a level does not prompt for such a menu 01:44:13 why would that matter for a menu? 01:44:33 oh is this about tiles? 01:44:40 (except for being a modal interface in place of non-modal) 01:46:16 i'm either not following or misunderstanding something 01:46:31 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:33 mostly i don't see the "extra keystrokes" i guess 01:46:47 or which menu this would be about 01:46:48 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:48:09 I mean, you're talking about changing menu options, providing the lack of menu if there's no existing inscription as the reason 01:49:18 [damn nyetwork] 01:49:56 (1) 01:49:56 extra keystrokes, especially ones that make you stop and read the interface (2) reducing the amount of text to be read by removing one of the three options 01:50:45 currently you can type away, with the patch you need to stop and see if there was one before, and press different things if so 01:50:52 no, you can still type away. 01:50:57 that's what i was saying above 01:51:02 -!- Furbeh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:51:19 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: you'd have to press either a or r 01:51:21 i already learned that from playtesting it for ten minutes 01:51:33 yes, of course, i also need to press ! before that 01:51:56 <|amethyst> right, but you don't know whether you have to press !new annotation or !rnew annotation until after pressing ! 01:52:19 <|amethyst> I'm not sure how big a problem that is, but I see kilobyte's point there 01:52:50 it's not as big as being forced to retype the existing annotation, for me at least 01:52:51 <|amethyst> then again, if you didn't remember there was an annotation already, maybe you didn't really want to replace it 01:54:06 looks like you insist on a modal editor I hate. I guess we won't agree then, so it looks like an option would make both sides happy 01:54:31 |amethyst: you see it during typing 01:55:13 -!- sacje has quit [Changing host] 01:56:42 <|amethyst> what about removing the prompt but pre-filling the input with the current annotation? 01:56:52 <|amethyst> then you can ctrl-u if you want to replace 01:57:13 wondering how many players know that 01:57:22 oh... that could be better 01:57:23 <|amethyst> or hold backspace 01:57:34 but yeah, sounds like a good idea 01:57:54 <|amethyst> looking into it 01:58:20 more intuitive, too 02:03:37 <|amethyst> does anyone use the 'keyproc' parameter? 02:03:41 <|amethyst> if so I'm not seeing it 02:05:01 -!- Sabaki has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:05:42 <|amethyst> to msgwin_get_line that is, not cancelable_get_line 02:13:05 -!- Aidenn has quit [Changing host] 02:15:29 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:21 -!- Aidenn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:17:50 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:59 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:37 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:18 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 02:28:18 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:30:27 -!- themummra has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:36:34 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:57 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:47:44 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:50:11 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:46 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:58 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 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I don't know the AusE rules very well, but I thought the one-l variant was an americanism 03:08:44 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2783-gf8c068a: Allow specifying pre-filled text for {msgwin,cancelable}_get_line. 10(49 minutes ago, 4 files, 21+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8c068ad83a8 03:09:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2784-gc5a4dfa: Avoid menus by re-editing annotations and inscriptions. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 42+ 135-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5a4dfa07f85 03:12:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2784-gc5a4dfa (34) 03:13:20 <|amethyst> oh, crap 03:13:50 <|amethyst> that doesn't work right in webtiles 03:14:10 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:16:40 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:51 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 03:20:07 <|amethyst> hm, neither does history 03:20:11 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:22:40 <|amethyst> and I don't think I'm capable of fixing that right now... 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Nexos the Grave Robber (L4 OpNe), mangled by an ogre (a +0,+0 giant club) on D:2 on 2013-08-24 11:40:03, with 94 points after 3049 turns and 0:05:06. 06:42:40 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:16 ??lg 06:43:17 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. 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No route to host] 11:10:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:10:33 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:12:58 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:40 so while I'm nerfing and reducing annoying things while also adding in newer things in how much will people hate me for spen in pleasuredromes 11:37:16 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:34 I suspect a fair bit, but I am also incidentally trying to improve them a little bit as we speak :P 11:38:53 they don't seem to fit in with my current trimming anyway 11:39:32 Among a few other things, I'm attempting to fix the fact that they're the most evasive when they are least-able to do things to you 11:39:38 Like repeatingly failing to put undead to sleep, say 11:39:42 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 11:39:50 Since that just plain can never succeed 11:40:40 Making them more likely to hold range instead of actively back off, and also recognize when their game plan simply can't work against the target and just abandon any attempt to stab, and simply melee instead 11:41:06 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:12 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 11:41:27 I think it's fine if they back off a few steps to get a stab in, but it's much more troublesome when they keep doing it despite not even having a theoretical chance of success. 11:43:41 they sound really really really annoying 11:43:55 i still havent played forest, so i dont know firsthand 11:43:56 Well, they're way better than they were to start with 11:44:11 but seriously, why would you add something like that? 11:44:17 Well, I didn't >.> 11:44:32 other enemies with hexes at least have the decency to just kill you when your MR is too low 11:44:33 (this is where the cutting philosophy comes in) 11:44:36 Probably the idea was parity with the most iconic player spriggan 11:45:34 Which I can understand, and is why I didn't remove them on the original pass on Forest - I would like 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MarVin, XL15 DjDK, T:38591 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/MarVin/crash-MarVin-20130824-181709.txt 13:21:48 <|amethyst> SamB: you mean with pacification? I thought you got half XP when it is first pacified, and none when it leaves the level 13:22:00 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:25 * SamB was thinking of what those spriggans ought to do when they can't hurt you, if they're going to act anything like players 13:22:43 <|amethyst> (That crash is another instance of the ally-caught-in-a-web-during-autotravel bug) 13:23:02 Well, what they ought to do is just melee you normally so you kill them normally and then no one even needs to notice some odd mechanic 13:23:20 (Which they should be doing fairly shortly) 13:23:29 obviously they pull out their god powers when they can't hex 13:23:46 spen casting greater servant 13:24:05 Corpse drop and zombie spam would be more thematic :P 13:24:15 Or deck spam, maybe? 13:24:32 but both of those take more coding effort 13:24:34 that *is* a god power 13:25:31 Well, coding effort might be relevant if it was something I meant seriously :P 13:30:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:31:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:12 03cjo02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-2786-g2774ec9: Display monster spells and magical abilities with x-v 10(5 weeks ago, 7 files, 142+ 87-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2774ec9060c4 13:35:12 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2787-gd21fcde: Rename a no-longer-static function. 10(41 minutes ago, 4 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d21fcde7df62 13:35:12 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2788-gd321ce1: Handle non-actual "spell" lists better. 10(30 minutes ago, 2 files, 34+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d321ce13d3d7 13:35:15 -!- maha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:02 -!- localhost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:09 There look to be errors in those commits 13:37:15 <|amethyst> errors? 13:37:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:33 At least deep elf mages seem to be set back to their old books 13:37:38 And deep elf soldiers are mentioned again, despite not existing 13:38:17 <|amethyst> ah 13:38:25 Probably based off an old version and not updated properly 13:38:43 <|amethyst> I didn't think about changes to the spell lists when I applied 13:38:52 <|amethyst> let's see 13:39:11 -!- coyo7e has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:40:47 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:41:18 <|amethyst> I think those are the only two problems 13:42:26 Yeah, I don't immediately see any others 13:43:13 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:43:59 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2789-g125a928: Restore the new deep elf mage book list (DracoOmega) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=125a928f9256 13:45:01 the line break for books with long spell names should probably indent up to the colon in "Book n:" instead of starting at the B 13:45:17 <|amethyst> have fun figuring out how to do that 13:45:30 <|amethyst> but I agree 13:45:33 yea. not gonna happen for me 13:45:45 <|amethyst> the problem is that it's not this code that does the wrapping 13:45:49 other stuff is that ?/M currently segfaults 13:45:56 which is "not so good" 13:45:56 <|amethyst> I was just happy that it did indent up to the B at all 13:45:58 <|amethyst> wha 13:46:16 or at least ?/m orc wizard did for me 13:48:13 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:48:56 <|amethyst> ah, let's see 13:49:07 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:30 oh i don't like how it wraps orc high priest spells either, spells with blanks should possibly not be split like "heal other" is 13:50:41 Incidentally, one point in the past I tried to make spellbook lists accessible outside that place, yet the #include "mon-spll.h" somehow created a race condition on complication or something 13:50:43 And it was reverted 13:50:49 This looks like it might cause whatever that problem was, again 13:50:55 should get some people writing up monster spell descriptions now that people can see in-game their spell names 13:50:59 #include "mon-mst.h" 13:51:00 Rather 13:51:14 Since that itself is autogenerated at some point 13:51:17 and maybe then fun things like actually explaining how you can't resist hellfire can be actually easily known 13:51:37 DracoOmega: oh do you know why wizmode insists on me memorizing ghostly fireball when &fireba 13:51:38 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: cjo did move it in the Makefile 13:51:48 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: first match when it's not exact 13:51:58 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: wait, that doesn't make sense 13:51:58 well maybe it should match player spells first 13:52:01 Are you sure it's not last match? 13:52:07 <|amethyst> yeah, probably last 13:52:12 or last, then 13:52:14 Possibly first would be better 13:52:41 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: it had to be moved from GENERATED_FILES to GENERATED_HEADERS; did you do that with yours ? 13:52:56 Nothing, since the makefile is completely arcane to me (and the error only showed up on other people's systems) 13:53:16 well, as long as we don't end up with "do you mean the red ball or the ball?" type problems 13:53:30 I don't recall the details at this point, but what I was trying to do was just done in another fashion 13:53:41 SamB: ever tried looking up ?/m dragon 13:54:00 SamB: hint it's exactly that 13:54:40 I mean the kind where you're expected to type a less ambiguous command, but you can't because you already said "ball" in your command 13:54:46 I guess if this new system works now, I suppose this also means that mons_will_anger_god can actually check all their spell lists instead of the somewhat hackish thing it does now 13:55:11 not the kind where you get to then pick from a menu 13:55:22 you don't get to pick anything in my example 13:56:35 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:32 ChrisOelmueller: the problem being that you can't pick just "ball" because there's no other word you can use to differentiate it from "red ball" 13:58:54 ?/m doesn't have that problem 13:59:03 also you can hit space to get the menu 13:59:21 <|amethyst> SamB: but what if you want to search for all dragons? 13:59:30 <|amethyst> (I just search for "drago" myself) 13:59:42 that happens after space 13:59:56 the enchantress is a dragon now? 14:00:03 it's just one of the most unintuitive interfaces ever 14:00:27 <|amethyst> SamB: it's searching descriptions 14:00:31 her desc mentions the eda, yeah 14:00:47 yeah I know 14:01:06 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2790-ga02a521: Don't crash on ?/morc wizard 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 7+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a02a5217f17d 14:01:30 mhm 14:01:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:53 so now i'm guilty of this change but think it should in fact also work on actual monsters 14:02:08 as to grey out spell sets you know that monster instance cannot have 14:02:21 of course writing or maintaining code like that is ... 14:02:58 <|amethyst> even ignoring code, it's not always clear how to do that without leaking 14:03:11 i'd be fine with just doing the obvious stuff 14:03:56 i.e. if you observe the monster casting spells a and b and there's only one book where both exist 14:04:26 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:04:33 Often there's only one book where even a single spell exists, in a few cases 14:04:44 that too, yes 14:05:08 i'm not saying it's an easy thing to implement, but it'd definitely yield benefits in transparency to players 14:05:29 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 14:05:30 <|amethyst> what if you're fighting two ogre magi, teleport away, and one of them comes back into view 14:05:43 I am not sure the implementation would be so bad, really. Just need a list for each monster of spells it has been observed casting, and then some simple logic to filter spellsets based upon this. 14:05:48 Oh, huh 14:05:51 That is a point, though 14:05:56 your PC can already be observed to know the difference even if it isn't very good at communicating this 14:06:57 <|amethyst> I supposes that's true with non-obvious enchantments 14:07:07 <|amethyst> and probably other things I'm not thinking of 14:07:12 <|amethyst> s/poses/pose/ 14:07:17 |amethyst: clearly the solution is to kill monster teleport self 14:07:17 Well, gear sometimes, I guess 14:07:27 because UHMMMMMM PLAYER MONSTER CONSISTENCY WHAT THE FUCK 14:07:29 I mean you can tell WEAPONS apart by sight 14:07:37 teleport other 14:07:40 <|amethyst> true 14:07:45 ChrisOelmueller: In this case, I think the implication was that the PLAYER teleported away 14:08:00 And later on encountered one of them again 14:08:03 <|amethyst> remove teleport entirely 14:08:10 <|amethyst> if it's good enough for sprint... 14:08:11 wouldn't be opposed 14:08:28 well resetting that memory in certain cases is possible i guess, but that starts the headache 14:08:30 a sprint where there is only one of every monster 14:08:50 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:13 clearly should get this guy to do it 14:09:39 I mean, if you see two dudes with glowing daggers and then one of them reveals a brand by hitting you, and then you later encounter the weapons you'll know which is which no matter what happened in between ... 14:09:49 That is true, yes 14:10:14 in some cases you even magically know it's psyche's weapon despite you not having encountered her at all 14:10:20 But not entirely foolproof either, since you don't know if that glowing weapon is one that hit you and showed no brand, or whether it's some new and un-ID'd one 14:10:34 DracoOmega: yes 14:10:36 At least I can see knowing spellsets upon reencountering to be a more important piece of info 14:10:44 Since sometimes there are important differences 14:10:56 (And so probably you'd want to xv a lot more than normal here) 14:11:02 A lot more than previously, anyway 14:11:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:11:11 i fight every ogre mage as if they had banish 14:11:17 so knowing they don't would be a huge change 14:11:25 Reading unidentified scroll of immolation near pacified monster incurs Elyvilon's penance. by TannedBear 14:11:25 Yeah 14:11:35 mmm 14:11:50 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:50 that's normal 14:11:51 (i honestly support fixing this, as for yred) 14:12:04 doesn't mean it can't be fixed. 14:12:07 true 14:12:09 <|amethyst> it's normal, but I think it is a bug 14:12:20 <|amethyst> though probably it's already in mantis 14:12:21 I think it shouldn't happen either, but fixing it is kind of non-trivial, I think 14:12:26 I just thought it was kind of irresponsible to read what could be immolation near friendlies 14:12:40 vorpalize 14:12:56 SamB: with yred, read-id of scrolls is the worst 14:13:32 <|amethyst> SamB: but that just encourages tedium: tr and waiting, or going to a cleared level, before reading unIDed scrolls 14:13:38 Yred isn't so bad. At least Yred doesn't get mad at you. 14:13:41 Beogh is much worse 14:13:55 well the bone dragon that gets mad at you is kind of bad 14:14:10 has anyone thought of just getting rid of scrolls of immolation? 14:14:15 in that i lost a game because of the interface inconvenience that was herding away your stuff 14:14:24 i know people do die to the damage once in a blue moon, but otherwise, all they really do is anger allies 14:14:29 or kill ice beasts when you're dpeg 14:14:38 that's a pretty nice idea 14:14:42 I had once or twice idly wondered about trying to make them actually useful on ocassion 14:14:48 But wouldn't be opposed to removal either 14:14:50 i'm fine with making them possibly useful 14:15:06 or giving them full los inner flame 14:15:14 Hehe, that sounds fun 14:15:21 only xom can do that right now 14:15:29 sticky flame and ring of flames effect 14:15:38 explosions are better 14:15:43 true 14:15:49 I had just thought of making it sticky-flame things it hits, yes (and not you), but AoE inner flame does sound more fun 14:15:54 spoken like a true game designer 14:16:10 And manages the double-edged thing in a meaningful way, too 14:16:17 Since it's quite powerful, but also quite possible to make things worse for you 14:16:29 well i don't think i would want my allies inner flamed anytime soon 14:16:37 try it as a necromancer :P 14:16:47 skeleton suicide bombers are kind of fun, maybe not always practical 14:16:52 was referring to the yred thing in particular 14:16:52 Yes, let's assume this doesn't anger them (much easier to accomplish that in this case, I think) 14:17:08 well i still want to get them out of LOS before read-id 14:17:12 that's the problem 14:17:20 Why? Just rest it off 14:17:33 Unless you're already IN battle, but that's a seperate issue I guess 14:17:50 Where you don't really have the luxury of sending them away regardless 14:18:26 read fog before unknown scrolls 14:18:41 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 14:19:08 Really, if you can harmlessly rest off out of battle, and you aren't in a position to freely order allies away IN battle if you're desperate enough to read-ID, I don't think there's a real problem with that here 14:26:15 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:14 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 23.0/20130807024356]] 14:31:10 <|amethyst> !tell alefury thanks btw for commenting on #6579 so it floated to the top of the issues list :) 14:31:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let alefury know. 14:37:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:20 !tell kilobyte i'm still kind of lost on #7495 - could you maybe expand your comment a bit there? 14:43:22 ChrisOelmueller: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 14:44:32 -!- steve2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:48:10 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: the wiki doesn't notify you about your own actions 14:48:23 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: so if you want to do something with procmail, you have to use a dummy account 14:48:32 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: this was an issue with gitorious as well 14:48:59 how is that related to mantis mails? 14:49:00 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: so it's nice to have the *ability* to get notifications about your own stuff, but I agree that they should be disableable 14:49:49 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: kilobyte is saying that he already has problems because the wiki doesn't send out self-notifications, and would therefore prefer that Mantis does (or can) send them out 14:49:50 -!- Aidenn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:07 yes i noticed he's not on the same usability page as me yesterday already 14:50:33 but i don't remotely see how saying "yes you can not disable it" would fix my report 14:50:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:51:00 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: I think kilobyte thought the options in the account preferences work better than they actually do 14:51:11 -!- Aidenn has quit [Changing host] 14:51:27 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: but that was an assumption, because he has them turned on 14:55:08 not using them sounds like the only way of how you can end up assuming they work 14:55:11 ;o 14:56:31 so if gargoyles are null poison now does this mean that this poison status light is going to never go away 14:56:35 because that'x obnoxious 14:57:41 rip curing potion 14:57:44 What status light? 14:57:47 Oh 14:57:54 From some ancient mutant gargoyle? 14:58:24 yes 14:58:31 very ancient very mutant 14:58:38 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: is this online? 14:58:44 I curing potioned it away 14:58:48 <|amethyst> oh 14:58:53 but I'm playing it on cszo yeah 14:59:11 but yes it's an ancient gargoyle with rC 14:59:23 <|amethyst> it's fixable but probably not worth the commit if it goes away with curing 15:01:11 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: was it at least the darkgrey status light? 15:01:14 yes 15:01:39 trading one curing potion for never being able to get poisoned sounds okay 15:01:59 Most people only wish they were that effecient :P 15:02:01 <|amethyst> well, my thought is that you'll probably drink one at some point for other reasons :) 15:02:37 fr !curing cures Beogh status light too 15:02:40 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:12 <|amethyst> ?silence already cures it (temporarily) 15:04:17 any opinions on that btw? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4144 15:04:26 <|amethyst> FR: players lose (small amounts of) piety when they have the Beogh light 15:04:58 <|amethyst> Zin says: "Could you please make that annoying preacher STFU?" 15:05:30 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:07:17 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: isn't Fast+Slow magenta, not lightmagenta? 15:07:48 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about making the player vs monster light indistinguishable 15:08:32 |amethyst: it is, but judging from the code that's a bug or at least workaround 15:09:22 (i.e. there's no way of getting that status to expire, so it can work) 15:09:41 if you try to set any regular duration to magenta (not light), it will still be light until expiry 15:10:32 <|amethyst> and if you write a LIGHT colour there it won't decay at all? 15:10:46 nope, it will do the same thing as without LIGHT 15:10:59 iirc 15:11:22 <|amethyst> oh, this is about duration_data, not all lights 15:11:25 <|amethyst> I see 15:11:46 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:57 monster spells are in -- you rock! 15:12:00 yeah i think my fast+slow comment there is not right 15:12:45 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: it looks like your iirc was wrong; see _dur_colour 15:13:17 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: green, blue, magenta, and lightgrey are upgraded; nothing is downgraded 15:13:23 oh, that makes more sense indeed 15:14:49 <|amethyst> dpeg: it's nice that galefury asked about it or I would have missed it 15:14:57 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:58 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:17:02 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:44 cool... we talked about it yesterday, I think 15:18:54 I wasn't even aware that a patch was lying around :O 15:21:50 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24:18 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:29 -!- myrmidette has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:31:54 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:32:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:40:07 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44:04 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:47:21 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:47 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:51 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:52:29 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:56:19 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:34 I don't suppose anyone has any idea why MAKE_GOOD_ITEM doesn't seem to be doing anything for spriggan enchanters/assassins at the moment? They're still only getting plain items, and I am pretty sure this ONCE worked (and don't see an obvious problem with it at the moment, either) 16:01:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:02:08 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:02:16 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:02:22 <|amethyst> !lm enigmoo crash -log 16:02:22 4. enigmoo, XL6 GrTm, T:4758 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/enigmoo/crash-enigmoo-20130824-210206.txt 16:02:34 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:02:49 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:03:10 <|amethyst> constricted by a dead monster? 16:03:13 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:03:19 <|amethyst> first constriction-related crash I've seen in a while 16:04:54 <|amethyst> I have to go, but here's the save: http://dobrazupa.org/saves/enigmoo.cs 16:06:30 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:32 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: it seems to work for Edmund, maybe it has to do with force_item ? 16:07:01 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:07:20 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: ah, yes, level looks like it's not even used when force_item is true 16:07:28 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:07:29 Odd. I was sure it worked at one point. 16:07:46 Though it doesn't look like force_item is even doing anything else for them there at the moment, is it? 16:08:16 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:09:10 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:13:01 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:15:05 -!- maha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:26 ??spell success 16:15:27 success rate[1/5]: Spell success rates are colored according to miscast severity. Red means pretty bad things will probably happen to you! 16:15:31 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:31 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:19:56 -!- enigmoo_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:09 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:20:15 Your ball python constricts the iguana. 16:20:16 You climb upwards. 16:20:42 (from that crash) 16:20:44 oops 16:21:13 -!- enigmoo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:51 -!- axujen has quit [Quit: Gotta Go Fast] 16:24:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:24:47 -!- jilles has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:09 hi devs. geekosaur suggested i idle here until someone can look at my bugged game on cszo trunk. cheers! 16:26:47 a couple people already have, in fact, although no fix yet it looks like the cause has been spotted 16:26:55 -!- runner has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:58 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31:51 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32:17 I guess a sticks-to-snakes python was constricting something offlevel 16:32:28 and when it timed out the constriction wasn't properly ended? 16:32:34 yup 16:33:06 I wonder if that is specific to sticks-to-snakes or whether other summons would have the same issue 16:33:33 since it does that weird stuff to make it unabjurable but still time out 16:34:52 I'm working on an abyss unique (bh has an open request for these) that's a ressureciton of his xom's teddy bear idea, and I'm exploring making it induce xom effects on the player (not the monster, since that's pretty crazy) 16:35:30 |amethyst has pointed out some generalizations for xom actions that we would need for proper credit from e.g. kills, but grunt brought up a good point I wanted to float on crawl-dev 16:35:46 He liked the idea but wondered if it'd end up being sufficiently different than chaos melee 16:36:18 Looking at xom actions, there certainly are a number of differences, but do they seem interesting enough to warrant the code? 16:36:39 gammafunk: please make that idea die in a fire, then chop off head and limbs, also maybe you want to put it into a rocket and launch 16:37:05 ChrisOelmueller: thanks for getting the extreme opinion out of the way 16:37:18 i'm not sure i'm being extreme here 16:37:32 that is like the problem with teddy bears (or bh design in general) 16:37:57 Well let's just suppose for argument's sake that you are; I'm more curious about the 'differentiation from chao melee aspect' 16:38:20 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:39:17 given the choice i'd rather remove half of current chaos melee monsters too, so i'm not helping there either 16:40:40 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:40:44 ChrisOelmueller: more sane reasons would help though :) 16:40:53 * dpeg has a hunch that ChrisOelmueller is Xom's teddy bear 16:40:56 more sanity before designing them would help too 16:41:03 we don't get that either! 16:41:06 gammafunk: which xom actions are not available as af_chaos effect that you'd include? 16:41:17 ChrisOelmueller: wrt Mantis notifies: I didn't check, but the impression I get is that you get one if 1. you turned notifies on, or 2. you're the bug's reporter 16:41:18 yeah, making a list, one sec 16:41:19 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:41:51 kilobyte: I get them for lots of random stuff 16:41:58 kilobyte: despite having all notifies off 16:43:40 kilobyte: for example, most recently I was e-mailed when |amethyst set 7511 as a duplicate of 5824 16:43:50 so there's definitely weird stuff going on 16:46:32 bad xom effects that could happen to theplayer: miscast effects, noise, blink monsters near player, nearby monster enchants and/or upgrades, summon hostiles 16:46:41 good things that could happen to player: divinations, item gifting, potion quaff, send in allies/monster, polymorph nearby monster, inner flame, vitrify, give mutations 16:47:07 the bad ones are the ones differentiated from chaos melee, and the good ones would be rare and couldn't happen from chaos 16:47:18 also divine lightning against the player would be possible 16:47:59 Does Xom cover the entire floor in long-duration fog yet? 16:48:27 so many cool Xom ideas not coded yet :) I made a full wiki page of them. 16:48:27 the code cost is reorganizing xom actions into a class and generalizing a few slightly for credit/balance purposes 16:48:54 dpeg: xom is pretty cool already though at least. I'd say he's pretty popular with players :) 16:49:16 Who wouldn't want to be a teddy bear? 16:49:23 16:50:01 he he, in East Berlin there was a band called "Tina never had a teddy bear", I guess Chris did neither :P 16:50:21 enigmoo (L6 GrTm) ASSERT(themonst) in 'monster.cc' at line 6008 failed. (D:4) 16:50:33 i think that if you are going to put a unique in the abyss, it would have to be something that people would want to fight 16:50:58 mikee_: yes, since they're fleeing all the time already anyway 16:51:10 this actually creates a conflict between the default desire to keep moving in the abyss and the desire to fight so and so for reward x 16:51:13 yes 16:51:27 Yeah, not sure that you'd ever want to fight xom's teddy bear 16:51:34 -!- sumguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:51:36 except for laughs 16:51:37 "look, Ma, the teddy has a little rune in hand" 16:51:54 It would be a crowd favorite for sure 16:52:20 Oh no, giving it the rune. That would be a truly mean thing to do 16:52:46 How do you make an abyss unique that's worth fighting? Give it some nice unrand? 16:52:52 Seems to work ok for the enchantress 16:53:09 gammafunk: when you kill it, you get Xom's love for a long duration 16:53:17 dpeg: hahaha 16:53:31 dpeg: I can't quite tell when you're serious or not 16:53:37 I actually am :) 16:53:49 it is a thematically wonderful idea 16:53:52 you really don't want to end up in a situation where people are scumming abyss to find a unique 16:53:59 elliptic: sure 16:54:17 i don't think you actually can make people want to fight a unique in the abyss without doing something artificial 16:54:28 yeah, fair point. Maybe uniques in the abyss is just a bad idea? 16:54:36 perhaps, yes... pity that 16:54:42 usually people want to fight a unique to like have freedom on a level and because it's not too much trouble to fight it 16:54:59 mikee_: or because they're so keen on the headwear 16:55:07 yeah, I'd see more potential for a xom-themed unique as something that appears in the dungeon as normal (or in a special vault in the dungeon) 16:55:11 i hope not =P 16:55:17 i'm not keen on that headwear myself 16:55:24 it isn't like xom is particularly associated with abyss anyway afaik 16:55:29 mikee_: with my octopodes, I could never let Gastronok be..... the H A T 16:55:32 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:55:32 so I'm not sure why the unique would be in abyss anyway 16:55:38 elliptic: Yeah, that's true 16:55:45 We could have a CK unique 16:56:27 I'm not so sure... the powers seem to work better on player than on monster 16:56:33 well it might -not- be the ponderinghat, in which case maybe you need to kill gastronok for it 16:56:56 SwissStopwatch: my octopodes murder for any cap 16:57:02 that's so unfair anyways, ponderinghat doesn't slow down gastronok 16:57:14 playerism! 16:57:19