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08:13:05 <Bloax> Does anyone know if the acid resistance from the rCorr amulet and cloak of preservation stacks?
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11:36:34 <Cheibriados> Weapon in inventory has no drop, wield, or inscribe options <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7484> by Mcos
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12:40:22 <|amethyst> From that bug:  I unfortunately can't easily upload a character dump because DCSS saves the file in my /data folder which I don't have permissions to access
12:40:26 <|amethyst> maybe we shouldn't do that
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12:45:58 <Grunt> It's an Android thing; we don't have much of a choice in the matter.
12:46:35 <Grunt> ...I'm going to be getting an Android tablet in the immediate future - read when it arrives here - so I might be able to help more with that side of things soon. :)
12:47:13 <Grunt> I guess technically we could save saves to external storage, or at least provide an option to backup saves there.
12:47:24 <Grunt> At least the former is probably Not Recommended™ though.
12:51:35 <Grunt> (I mean, I could probably debug things with my phone, but having to look at a tiny screen for that kind of thing would be a pain.)
12:51:42 <Grunt> (Like trying to watch webtiles from my phone.)
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12:55:58 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2721-ge9e13ee: Don't message when beams don't hurt unseen rock worms (#4009) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9e13ee355ec
12:56:53 <geekosaur> I have a decent tablet on order as well (as opposed to the craptacular one that ate itself a couple months ago)
12:57:06 <geekosaur> hm, I should probably try to do some real mac builds, come to think of it
12:57:19 <Grunt> geekosaur, do it!
12:57:20 <geekosaur> not that I got much feedback (except the unfixable Terminal.app thing)
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13:16:15 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-2722-g24cb661: Make &( call &T instead when invoked for trap feature 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 21+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24cb6617be35
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14:00:11 <gvdm> i've tried the crawl on android
14:00:17 <gvdm> 7'' screen
14:00:30 <gvdm> it's too easy to press the wrong tile
14:00:58 <gvdm> and i can't see how to access right click menus on a touch interface
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14:04:47 <|amethyst> gvdm:  click-and-hold doesn't work?
14:05:10 <geekosaur> ^^ standard android idiom for context menus
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14:05:38 <|amethyst> haven't tried (don't have an android device any more), but I know that's how the android port of sgt-puzzles does it
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14:06:45 <gvdm> click and hold gives me a description
14:08:34 <geekosaur> I won't be able to poke at this until sometime next week (you think a 7" tablet is bad, try it on a phone sometime :)
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14:17:50 <gvdm> geekosaur: on a phone you're probably using a dpad or keys for direction, a touch screen sucks
14:17:58 <gvdm> unless your phone is a touch screen
14:18:03 <gvdm> ultimate lose
14:18:19 <geekosaur> my phone has a keyboard but it interacts poorly with crawl
14:18:35 <geekosaur> I have used an external bluetooth keyboard with it though
14:18:43 <geekosaur> but that still leaves you with a 4" screen
14:20:14 <geekosaur> (android in general is not so good with actual keyboards)
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14:52:55 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2723-g9d29fcb: Remove some obsolete food-related options 10(6 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d29fcb8fd9b
14:55:06 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  Does this still need to exist?   // Offer rotten chunks last.
14:55:24 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  seems like with the change you'd usually want to eat them first
14:57:45 <|amethyst> (assuming you can eat them at all, of course)
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15:06:57 <MarvinPA> oh hm maybe
15:10:23 <geekosaur> I've often wondered about that myself, if I can eat rotten chunks I'd rather them before fresher ones. (although it matters less these days)
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15:11:36 <|amethyst> when there was nausea it made sense to put them last because they could prevent you from eating the good chunks
15:13:37 <MarvinPA> i guess rotten chunks should always be first for ghouls since they heal more often from them, and other than that just be listed based on freshness
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16:52:10 <geekosaur> "45 mins left" siiiigh
16:52:20 <geekosaur> (uploading OS X builds to my dropbox)
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17:12:46 <geekosaur> and either it lies a lot or the local notwork's being more variable than usual...
17:16:27 <Naruni> is there a user-executable command to reload settings from init.rc or whatever file?
17:16:35 <Naruni> without having to close and re-open program
17:17:08 <geekosaur> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8376576/crawl_osx-0.12.2-18-gb8c16a5.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8376576/crawl_osx-0.13-a0-2723-g9d29fcb.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8376576/crawl_tiles_osx-0.12.2-18-gb8c16a5.zip https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8376576/crawl_tiles_osx-0.13-a0-2723-g9d29fcb.zip
17:17:30 <geekosaur> ^^ up to date OS X builds, stable and trunk, console and tiles
17:18:33 <geekosaur> I suggest someone copy those somewhere instead of just linking to them as I do not have a lot of space to use for archiving so I am removing older builds when I copy newer ones in
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17:22:27 <|amethyst> geekosaur:  maybe !tell kilobyte; I think he has permissions to put them on CDO and sourceforge
17:22:59 <|amethyst> geekosaur:  or Napkin, but he's probably fairly busy
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17:35:27 <Naruni> this doesnt make any sense, i pulled all the content from autofight.lua and pasted it into settings.txt then loaded a game using settings.txt. now when i try to autofight a monster i get 'attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'AUTOFIGHT_STOP' a nil value
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17:35:47 <Naruni> when autofight_stop is defined
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17:40:24 <kilobyte> Zannick: that set of uniques was 100% existing ideas from a "collected uniques" FR marked as approved by old devs
17:40:29 <gammafunk> geekosaur: I build crawl on os x a lot, but I don't know how to make it an app bundle; do you know how to do that?
17:40:47 <kilobyte> rather than my own ideas (although I did invent some details)
17:41:40 <kilobyte> still, at the time most uniques were humans with nothing but a name, an unique with a race and/or speech was considered a novel addition
17:42:00 <Zannick> kilobyte: that hasn't been clear in at least a few years and there are all sorts of random ideas on it now
17:42:21 <gammafunk> kilobyte: any thoughts on Asterion (mantis 7474)?
17:42:45 <kilobyte> by "that set", I mean the patch I sent to jpeg (as "castamir")
17:42:47 <Zannick> kilobyte: there should probably be an approved/implementable section similar to the mutations page
17:42:50 <Zannick> kilobyte: oh
17:43:00 <Zannick> kilobyte: d'oh, that makes more sense :)
17:45:11 <kilobyte> gammafunk: in a sec, I just got home, and haven't slept since saturday morning
17:45:51 <gammafunk> kilobyte: no worries. sleep is important :)
17:47:26 <Naruni> i swear this is the stupidest thing ever: http://pastie.org/8248526
17:47:46 <Naruni> WHY is tab causing the player to HIT the monster nearby instead of zapping it?
17:48:13 <Naruni> there is no melee_attack even in the function?
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17:51:24 <Naruni> do i have to replace the function in autofight.lua? i can't overwrite it in settings.txt? how come parabolic and zotbot and the others have done it in the .rc file?
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17:54:16 <kilobyte> gammafunk: Asterion doesn't appear that novel to me, I'm not saying no though.
17:54:46 <gammafunk> yeah others have made that complaint.  I suppose makhleb abilities aren't that exciting
17:54:59 <kilobyte> gammafunk: I kind of have trouble to say what's "interesting" these days
17:55:27 <gammafunk> there was talk of replacing francis with asterion
17:55:30 <gammafunk> since they're similar
17:55:31 <kilobyte> the oft said definition "has custom code" is not that good, I think
17:55:40 <kilobyte> sounds good
17:55:59 <gammafunk> well thanks for looking
17:57:42 <kilobyte> some other uniques could be axed, too.  I dislike Lamia (has nothing to her other than strong stats), and Ignacio doesn't seem to have played well.  His gimmick seems too inconsistent with how other uniques spawn...
17:58:20 <kilobyte> also, Jory
17:59:30 <kilobyte> Maud is kind of meh but I got an inexplicable fondness towards her, no idea why
17:59:34 <gammafunk> even new Jory?  He's certainly dangerous with that spell set
18:00:28 <gammafunk> Yeah Maud has an amusing 'backstory'; I wish that weapon she's looking for could be an unrand
18:00:38 <gammafunk> and she'd do something interesting if she saw that you have it
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18:01:20 <kilobyte> Jory doesn't feel that unique to me... just a yet another monster with a strong spell, mesmerize being the only thing out of ordinary
18:01:53 <kilobyte> I should be all against Maud as she does literally nothing but melee... but somehow I'm inconsistent
18:03:10 <geekosaur> gammafunk, there are mac-app-tiles and mac-app-console targets in the Makefile
18:03:28 <gammafunk> kilobyte: perhaps it's that, when thinking of Maud, you forget everything else
18:03:37 <kilobyte> Psyche needs improvement.  Sucks now, but the concept of non-Xom madness has potential
18:03:57 <geekosaur> the main problem you'll run into is version compatibility; I'm doing these builds on a machine with an older Xcode so I can use MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.6
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18:04:02 <kilobyte> as the quote goes, sanity is an one-trick pony, but if you're mad...
18:04:36 <kilobyte> gammafunk: amnesia traps sucked heavily
18:05:01 <gammafunk> amnesia traps?  Must be before my time
18:05:06 <|amethyst> Naruni:  what calls make_attack?
18:05:20 <gammafunk> But if it's anything like amnesia from mind flayers in nethack, it must have been terrible
18:05:25 <Naruni> |amethyst, i fixed it... sorry about the shouting i was a little frustrated
18:05:59 <kilobyte> geekosaur: it feels like Apple dreads the very idea you could possibly be compiling code that runs on non-current OS X
18:06:11 <Naruni> right now im trying to understand the difference between delta_to_vi and vector_move
18:06:19 <kilobyte> gammafunk: map rot, losing random spells
18:06:25 <geekosaur> I think what they dread is supporting it; OS X moves too quickly
18:06:57 <geekosaur> new linker opcodes in every major version, often major library changes with only limited compatibility possible
18:07:10 <geekosaur> they're like the anti-Microsoft in that regard
18:07:23 <kilobyte> somehow compiling for Win2K works just fine; I can run things built for pre-1.0 versions of Linux and they work
18:07:28 <|amethyst> Naruni:  vector_move puts together a list of motion commands to move the cursor by a specific amount
18:08:09 <|amethyst> Naruni:  delta_to_vi only works for things between (-1,-1) and (1,1), while vector_move works on larger distances
18:08:34 <Naruni> |amethyst, thats kinda what i thought
18:08:46 <kilobyte> gammafunk: so back to Asterion: by himself he'd be dubious; as an upgrade to Francis this seems a straight improvement
18:09:31 <gammafunk> kilobyte: My only concern is that there's no cap on the demon summons; it's the same set as the player ability, so a limited t-2 set and executioners
18:09:36 <Naruni> so if im working on freeze or vampiric draining i would use delta_to_vi and vector_move for throwing, wand zap, or fireball
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18:09:37 <geekosaur> also the deployment target packages are quite large and Xcode is already over a gigabyte
18:09:42 <Zannick> hm, someone deleted the learndb entry for francis
18:09:43 <gammafunk> but he can make 3 in a fight occasionally
18:09:50 <kilobyte> gammafunk: yeah, the summon cap is long overdue
18:09:53 <geekosaur> frances?
18:10:17 <Zannick> %git :/francis
18:10:21 <Cheibriados> 07doy02 * 0.8.0-a0-730-gabf8388: rename wayne to francis 10(3 years ago, 18 files, 39+ 40-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abf8388a1c26
18:10:21 <|amethyst> Naruni:  delta_to_vi
18:10:27 <gammafunk> haha, wayne
18:10:31 <gammafunk> I had no idea
18:10:35 <Zannick> ah, yes, wiglaf
18:10:44 <|amethyst> Naruni:  since those things expect a direction
18:10:47 <kilobyte> gammafunk: with the cap, you'd never hit such random extremes
18:11:01 <kilobyte> there was another francis before
18:11:09 <|amethyst> Naruni:  vector_move would do  hk  instead of  u  for up-left, which wouldn't work with those spells
18:11:12 <gammafunk> francis v frances
18:11:21 <Zannick> yeah, that old francis is what i was trying to look up
18:11:25 <geekosaur> too many too similar names /o\
18:11:31 <kilobyte> it's frances who's left though: a demon summoner with conjurations
18:11:39 <|amethyst> %0.9??francis
18:11:50 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "francis"

18:11:50 <|amethyst> %0.9? francis
18:11:52 <gammafunk> kilobyte: I could make it a project to do the monster summons cap, but mumra might be doing that already
18:11:57 <Cheibriados> Could not execute monster-0.7: No such file or directory
18:11:57 <Zannick> %0.7? francis
18:11:57 <Naruni> |amethyst, so for spells i always need vector_move? i tried that earlier and it wasnt working right
18:12:01 <Zannick> wups
18:12:27 <kilobyte> gammafunk: there is one design question: what to do when a summoner dies
18:12:31 <Zannick> anyway, i should do something with my unique proposal instead of letting it waste away on the wiki
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18:12:40 <|amethyst> Naruni:  if they target you want vector_move; if they take a direction you want delta_to_vi
18:13:32 <gammafunk> kilobyte: I don't understand monster summons well, but is that an issue for the cap?
18:13:50 <Naruni> using delta_to_vi goves me "Out of range. That is beyond maximum range." as does vector_move. im guessing that's because when the function sends 'za' to the program it is already selected on the target
18:13:54 <kilobyte> it is for an implementation I wanted to do
18:14:37 <|amethyst> Naruni:  that's why attack_fire and attack_reach use r
18:14:43 <kilobyte> to solve issues with friendly silver statues/curse skulls in ZotDef, primarily
18:14:44 <|amethyst> Naruni:  to reset the cursor back to the player
18:14:53 <Naruni> ahhh thats the key
18:14:55 <Naruni> thanks bud
18:15:14 <kilobyte> so summons can track their summoner rather than you
18:15:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  battlesphere still acts funny sometimes too
18:15:42 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  ally battlesphere that is
18:15:49 <kilobyte> yeah
18:16:39 <kilobyte> could be done in some other way, like reparenting; if done straightforward, it'd be a strong nerf to boggarts
18:17:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  any clue about #7482?  even edit-save errors out when trying to extract his Swamp:2 chunk
18:17:08 <kilobyte> want to get rid of those five yaktaur captains and three giants?  Zap that boggart again.
18:17:09 <gammafunk> kilobyte: do you envision a monster with summons tell his summons to fall back around the monster if the summoning monster is an emergency?
18:17:24 <kilobyte> |amethyst: even D:1 in that save seems corrupted
18:17:35 <|amethyst> oh, I didn't think to check any others
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18:18:27 <kilobyte> |amethyst: it looks like an actual low-level problem within package.cc itself
18:19:05 <kilobyte> which is the first not caused by bogus drives ignoring sync requests
18:19:17 <kilobyte> so I'm really interested here
18:20:19 <kilobyte> gammafunk: a wand of fire/cold/draining doesn't care for allies shielding the boggart
18:20:37 <|amethyst> necessarily bogus drives and not bogus filesystems?  because I'm pretty sure most people don't use ordered write mode
18:20:39 <kilobyte> (almost: there's a range penalty of 1 per hit)
18:20:57 <|amethyst> I mean, yeah, the drives are bogus, but likely the fs is bogus enough that doesn't matter
18:21:04 <kilobyte> |amethyst: fsync() forces a full write to the platters
18:21:09 <gammafunk> yeah, I'm wondering about the benefits of the tracking that you mentioned; is it just to allow the summons to vaporize when the monster summoner dies?
18:21:57 <|amethyst> ah
18:22:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  it's also necessary for monster summon caps
18:22:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  so that they don't share your cap for the same spell
18:22:51 <kilobyte> strictly speaking, we could just cap but don't force-expire them on their summoner's death
18:23:02 <kilobyte> expiring is for different problems
18:23:40 <|amethyst> yeah, those should be separate decisions
18:24:08 <|amethyst> if they are capped, marking the summons as capped on the caster's death could work too
18:24:20 <|amethyst> so they don't poof immediately, but also don't stick around long
18:24:48 <|amethyst> actually, I guess that would work even if the summons weren't actually capped
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18:25:42 <kilobyte> another oddity: if you die as a felid, your summons run to your new position from the other end of the level
18:26:03 <gammafunk> yeah summons are good at tracking you down
18:26:10 <gammafunk> same happens when you tele
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18:30:23 <kilobyte> in Octomonk's saves, _all_ level chunks other than Swamp:3,4,5 are truncated; none of non-level chunks though
18:30:31 <kilobyte> s/saves/save/
18:32:03 <kilobyte> oh, not just truncated, their compressed length is 0
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18:51:16 <Naruni> |amethyst, can you help me decipher what this line says: info.attack_type = (-info.distance < 2) and 2 or 0
18:51:19 <Naruni> im thinking it says attack_type is 2 if info.distance is less than 2 or it becomes 0
18:51:29 <Naruni> it being attack_type
18:54:12 <|amethyst> other than the negative sign, yes
18:55:23 <|amethyst> it's a fairly common way of writing a ternary expression in Lua, but you must be careful
18:56:03 <|amethyst> it assumes that the "then" expression ("2" here) is never false
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18:56:41 <|amethyst> because if it were false, it would go on to the final expression (0 here)
18:57:06 <|amethyst> It's fine here because 2 is always true, but it's something to keep in mind
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19:06:25 <Grunt> That's a pretty rotten idea, |amethyst!
19:06:26 <Grunt> <_<
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19:09:45 <SamB> |amethyst: used to be an idiom in Python too ...
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19:13:22 <|amethyst> SamB:  and shell, with && and ||
19:13:44 <SamB> yeah but shell didn't get a real ternary op since then
19:13:51 <|amethyst> true :)
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21:11:45 <bh> this is a seriously weird bug. I'm standing next to an orb spider while berserking and I can't walk toward it because it keeps generating orbs
21:13:17 <SamB> why would you be able to walk towards something next to which you are standing
21:13:52 <bh> %s/towards/into
21:14:12 <SamB> you mean you can't HIT it?
21:14:51 <bh> yep
21:15:06 <bh> let me try to reproduce it
21:16:28 <bh> yep, it reproduces
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21:16:50 <bh> I'm on cszo webtiles if you want to look
21:17:21 <bh> oh, actually you don't need to be berserk
21:17:32 <SamB> oh, knockback huh?
21:17:52 <SamB> or, it runs away?
21:19:29 <bh> no, nothing happens
21:19:39 <bh> the turn doesn't even tick
21:19:56 <elliptic> weird, I guess the orb spider somehow is on top of an orb?
21:20:17 <elliptic> since that is consistent with what happens if you try to move into a square with an orb in it
21:20:45 <elliptic> bh: wait, you aren't next to the spider
21:20:51 <bh> elliptic: right
21:20:58 <bh> Spider / Orb / Me
21:21:01 <elliptic> so this is expected behavior
21:21:13 <bh> Why? You should be able to whack the orb
21:21:18 <elliptic> it might be bad behavior, but in general the game doesn't let you walk into an orb
21:21:20 <elliptic> whack?
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21:21:42 <bh> punch it to make it explode
21:21:52 <SamB> does that not take time?
21:22:04 <elliptic> that wouldn't make much sense given that you can't shoot an arrow at it to make it explode
21:22:10 <bh> I can't *-attack the orb
21:22:21 <elliptic> what might make sense is to let the player walk into the orb, but that would need a prompt
21:22:25 <bh> right
21:22:53 <elliptic> "Really walk into the orb of destruction?" or some such, I guess
21:23:07 <SamB> so what happens when you try now?
21:23:19 <bh> nothing
21:23:20 <elliptic> SamB: it fails silently, same as trying to walk into a wall
21:23:28 <SamB> oh, no "why would you want to do that?"
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22:45:26 <gammafunk> elliptic: What do you think of the unique I made/proposed in mantis 0007474.  There was talk of maybe replaceing Frances with it
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22:59:22 <bh> aw, but I like Frances!
23:00:16 <bh> gammafunk: dang, he hits like a truck
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23:01:04 <gammafunk> yes, in arena he has no trouble with margery and sojobo, but gets clobered by mara and mennas
23:01:22 <gammafunk> frances, interestingly enough, beats him most of the time if frances manages to haste early
23:01:24 <bh> IMO Mara is the most dangerous unique.
23:01:35 <bh> non-extended
23:02:11 <gammafunk> yeah Mara is terrifying.  Also Tiamat
23:02:57 <bh> I managed to passwall stab Mara, that was fun.
23:03:22 <bh> Sojobo is scary too, but mostly for the band
23:04:04 <Grunt> I've stabbed Mara before.
23:04:09 <Grunt> Very therapeutic.
23:04:13 <Grunt> !lm . haas uniq=mara -tv
23:04:14 <Sequell> 1. SGrunt, XL21 HaAs, T:55263 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org).
23:04:45 <bh> hehe
23:04:51 <bh> !lm . bh uniq=mara
23:04:51 <Sequell> No keyword 'bh'
23:04:56 <Grunt> !lm bh uniq=mara
23:04:56 <Sequell> 6. [2013-07-20 05:29:04] bh the Metallomancer (L21 GrEE) killed Mara on turn 110824. (D:24)
23:04:59 <Grunt> !lm bh uniq=mara -tv
23:05:00 <Sequell> 6. bh, XL21 GrEE, T:110824 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org).
23:05:47 <Grunt> That wasn't really a stab :b
23:05:55 <bh> lajatangs aren't known for stabbing
23:05:58 <Grunt> I was expecting a dagger, or at least a short blade.
23:06:28 <bh> Grunt, gammafunk: Are either of you interested in making some abyssal uniques?
23:06:53 <gammafunk> I could give it a shot at least
23:07:10 <Grunt> Only if I can implement eldritch abominations. <________<
23:07:41 <Grunt> And no, I don't mean "Yog Sothoth comes into view."
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23:08:02 * gammafunk Googles Yog Sothoth
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23:08:51 <bh> like abominations but nastier?
23:09:12 <bh> oh, Grunt, I had a terrible frivolous idea. I found a local book bindery. Next time crawl has a major release, print the source and make a coffee table book :D
23:09:45 <Grunt> ...o_O...
23:10:03 <Grunt> An eldritch abomination is the thing on the other side of the portal from which eldritch tentacles protrude.
23:10:13 <bh> o_0!
23:10:25 * bh loses his monocle
23:10:36 <bh> Isn't that just a tentacled starspawn?
23:10:37 <Grunt> (Hey, Frederick was wondering where that went!)
23:11:05 <gammafunk> bh: Do you have some specific uniques in mind, or you'd just like to see some in general?
23:11:21 <Grunt> These would be like greater tentacled starspawns; the tentacles would be actual eldritch tentacles, and the body would have chaos attacks. >_>
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23:11:32 <Grunt> (Perhaps a permanent fear/confusion aura <_<)
23:11:35 <Grunt> 1learn add bad_ideas
23:11:36 <bh> gammafunk: not in the slightest. Anything to make the abyss more interesting
23:11:40 <bh> ??bh
23:11:41 <Henzell> bh[1/2]: <bh> When it comes to stupid ideas, I'm your man.
23:11:44 <Grunt> ??bh[2
23:11:45 <bh> ??bh[2]
23:11:45 <Henzell> bh[2/2]: Grunt also has bad ideas.
23:11:45 <Henzell> bh[2/2]: Grunt also has bad ideas.
23:11:48 <bh> :D
23:11:52 <gammafunk> haha
23:12:02 <bh> Grunt: if you're ever around SF, I owe you a beer
23:12:26 <gammafunk> I'd really like to revive Warwick, xom's teddy bear
23:12:29 <Grunt> ... what did I do to earn this o_O
23:12:37 <bh> (it would probably a be a lot cooler to make a coffee table book of game winning screenshots!)
23:12:48 <gammafunk> and game-ending ones
23:12:53 <bh> gammafunk: hell yeah :D
23:13:15 <Grunt> Well, screenshots in general would be nice.
23:13:41 <bh> An orb run map would be cool, certainly not for print
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23:24:27 <bh> gammafunk: If you decide to go down that route, basically the only shtick I think Warwick should retain is blink close. Stops a melee unique from being a pin cushion.
23:25:39 <gammafunk> bh: If I managed to give him some xom effects that weren't terrible or a nightmare to code/maintain, would that be alright?
23:26:14 <Grunt> I've been down that road before.
23:26:20 <Grunt> I'd advise you to stay well away from it.
23:26:30 <gammafunk> yeah grunt, perhaps you're right
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23:26:39 <gammafunk> it's just how do you make him xom-flavored?
23:26:46 <gammafunk> just having chaos melee isn't all that interesting
23:27:47 <gammafunk> maybe he should have some weird debilitating effect that's xom-like
23:27:54 <gammafunk> Mara has misled, for example
23:34:24 <gammafunk> Oh I know
23:34:36 <gammafunk> He can induce a xom effect on the player
23:35:01 <gammafunk> tends to be a bad effect
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23:35:18 <gammafunk> Not sure if it should check e.g. MR
23:36:53 <bh> While he's alive, you.religion = GOD_XOM ;)
23:37:02 <bh> like flay, but for Xom
23:37:08 <gammafunk> haha, ouch
23:37:13 <gammafunk> moth of xom
23:37:39 <gammafunk> that really would be super mean
23:37:47 <bh> ??polymoth
23:37:47 <Henzell> polymoth[1/1]: New to 0.13, polymorphs monsters in your line of sight into stronger monsters. Much less likely to polymorph something already polymorphed, with a chance that goes lower as HD rises. Rare lair spawn.
23:37:49 <gammafunk> but I love the idea
23:37:55 <bh> everyone will hate it
23:37:58 <bh> I should make polymoths appear somewhere
23:38:06 <gammafunk> yeah bh, I made a bunch lair enemies and one of those
23:38:12 <gammafunk> and just watched it go
23:38:23 <gammafunk> it's pretty horrifying
23:38:46 <gammafunk> I am going to make a lair end that uses that moth
23:39:05 <gammafunk> ofc grunt might just reject it, but have to give it that college try
23:40:13 <bh> :'( players are going to hate you
23:40:22 <bh> gammafunk: how about a dungeon vault with Boggarts and Polymoths
23:40:32 <gammafunk> oh god
23:44:12 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2725-gfd4ef73 (34)
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