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A fun distinct challenge, yet with questionable reward. 03:58:43 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:11:26 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:55 Blade is a pretty shitty place really, mostly because being in melee with dancing weapons is really bad, but most conjurations cant hurt them. 04:13:01 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 04:13:18 So a lot of chars just don't have any business being there 04:13:52 I sometimes do it anyway, because it really is something different from the rest of the late game 04:14:04 but I know it's not good for winning 04:16:12 also, someone in tavern said something interesting about blade recently: if you actually need the reward (a good melee weapon), doing blade is usually really risky because you dont have a good melee weapon 04:18:26 oh, i think that was actually on irc yesterday 04:19:02 i dont know why i just attributed a useful comment to tavern, it's actually more terrible than usual lately :( 04:20:08 -!- s951 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:12 -!- Monory has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:43:59 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:25 -!- LikotUdendeb has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:46:21 that was on irc i think 04:46:22 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:52:24 -!- flappity has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 04:53:20 On spawns getting stronger the more time you take on a level "well, there should be a message or notice or something, I'd think" "something like 'You've been here too long, the creatures from below are aware of your presence'". 04:53:49 I only realized it now, but isn't that feature a bit spoily? 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and brand might be too bad too 08:37:42 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:37:58 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:37:59 cough 08:38:00 two 08:38:04 cough 08:38:33 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:37 -!- axujen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:50 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:22 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:01:33 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:54 -!- axujen has quit [Changing host] 09:30:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:21 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:41:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:42:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:49 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: Stay sane inside insanity!] 09:52:43 -!- axujen has quit [Quit: Gotta Go Fast] 09:54:11 -!- foonesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:54:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:06 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:10 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 10:00:01 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:16 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:37 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:25 -!- valtern has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:04 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:25 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:28 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:11 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:34:09 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:34:54 -!- Pisano2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:43:54 -!- antlions has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:39 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:48:50 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 10:54:13 -!- axujen has quit [Quit: Gotta Go Fast] 10:55:59 !tell |amethyst i don't think ba29f88f4921d672 is a good change as-is - if you reading an unidentified scroll of amnesia you just get thrown to the spell list with no explanation why, it really needs to say "forget which spell" on that screen if it's going to jump straight to it 10:56:01 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:56:16 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: funny you should mention that 10:56:16 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:56:16 if you read* 10:56:54 ah? 10:57:21 <|amethyst> give me a few minutes; I have to test tiles :) 10:57:44 aha, nice :) 11:04:50 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2673-g4d1be6e: Change title of some spell list screens. 10(9 minutes ago, 5 files, 18+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d1be6e665fb 11:04:52 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:52 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:52 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:54 <|amethyst> I didn't change the z menu to "Cast which spell?" or anything like that—just the amnesia and both =s menus 11:06:16 ah yeah i forgot about =, that's a good one to change too 11:06:23 cool stuff 11:07:00 <|amethyst> looks like I did "git commit" about 47 seconds before you brought it up 11:07:13 heh 11:07:14 <|amethyst> which is why I found it so amusing 11:09:28 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:28 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:38 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:16:52 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:53 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:04 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:33:06 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:34:54 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 11:38:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:25 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:44:23 03Medar02 07* 0.13-a0-2674-g157d67e: Fix a problem going directly to #play- or #watch- 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=157d67efa3fd 11:46:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:48:14 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:49:10 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:04 Maybe decks should be separated from other misc items in "Recognised items" 11:52:38 Especially now that other misc items are actually useful :p 11:53:17 * geekosaur considers, just for the yucks, a bag of decks 11:55:03 Medar: oh, do you mean it might be nice to be able to mark distinguishable misc items for pickup? 11:55:24 Yeah 11:56:09 for a moment I was thinking "but you can't tell what type a deck is just by looking at it, no matter how many of that type you've seen before" 11:56:43 <|amethyst> there are cases that demand such a thing even more than decks 11:56:43 Hehe, yeah. The title of the menu is a bit misleading. 11:56:57 Could also add "artefacts" to there, to make it even more misleading 11:56:58 <|amethyst> why am I picking up the third lantern of shadows? 11:57:18 As autopicking up artefacts is the best .rc hack you can do 11:57:35 however, this leads to the difficulty of "how do we make the same toggle apply to all deck types", iirc? 11:57:53 <|amethyst> SamB: same way we make all fruit use one menu item 11:57:55 <|amethyst> SamB: hacks 11:58:26 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:58:28 <|amethyst> see _autopickup_subtype 11:59:14 <|amethyst> also KnownEntry::get_text() 12:00:04 <|amethyst> %git 8e90592 12:00:04 07|amethyst02 * 0.13-a0-1052-g8e90592: Separate books and manuals in the autopickup menu. 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 16+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e9059282a48 12:00:09 <|amethyst> might follow that as a guide 12:00:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2674-g157d67e (34) 12:01:41 |amethyst: good change 12:02:25 Hmm, ok 12:02:35 should the other misc items all get individual listings? 12:02:59 -!- runner is now known as tesudzi 12:03:08 <|amethyst> I think there are too many 12:03:12 <|amethyst> for that 12:03:12 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 12:03:18 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:22 Yeah, unfortunately 12:03:31 how do we quantify that 12:03:34 Optimally, it would have some tree structure, but.. 12:03:44 yeah, I was just thinking that 12:03:52 what about decks 12:03:55 it sort of does, it's just not collapsable 12:04:14 just decks and non-decks is a good start anyway 12:04:18 Bloaxor: we were just agreeing that they, at least, should be listed separately 12:04:28 Well yeah it would be a good idea. 12:04:38 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:42 Because if I want to pick up all the sweet new evocables then it doesn't mean I want to play Yugioh. 12:04:53 <|amethyst> how about Decks, other charged evokables (elemental evokers, box of beasts, ...), and others ? 12:05:26 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:32 <|amethyst> or maybe the split should be finite/infinite? 12:05:34 What's left in others? 12:06:08 Bloaxor: everybody loves yugioh though 12:06:20 <|amethyst> lantern, horn, cboe, disc of storms 12:06:31 Not if they aren't with Nemelex-Buff-Deckpower 12:06:50 <|amethyst> (the ones that you'd pretty much never want two of) 12:07:36 <|amethyst> yeah, decks could probably stand to be improved for non-nemelex players 12:07:55 Hmm, it's pretty hard to make a sensible division. 12:08:22 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 12:08:22 <|amethyst> Medar: yeah, particularly when it has to be intuitive to players 12:08:50 <|amethyst> turn lantern of shadows and disc of storms into crystal balls :P 12:08:55 The only intuitive one I can think of is elemental ones 12:09:32 <|amethyst> Medar: and maybe spiders + beasts 12:09:34 so what happens if we get more than 26 item types to pick from 12:10:06 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:57 <|amethyst> SamB: it goes to uppercase and then loops around 12:11:18 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:31 <|amethyst> and testing with a very tall terminal, it won't put more than 52 on the same screen 12:13:11 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16:31 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:16:54 !lm Wizzzargh crash -log 12:16:54 4. Wizzzargh, XL23 DsSu, T:54813 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Wizzzargh/crash-Wizzzargh-20130725-053754.txt 12:17:07 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2674-g157d67e (34) 12:17:13 I assume no-one looked more in to this crash. I'll just revert the small bugfix that apparently caused it. 12:17:52 %git 293a9bd 12:17:52 07Medar02 * 0.13-a0-2132-g293a9bd: Fix tiles rendering issue changing between levels 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=293a9bd91fcd 12:19:30 -!- fdel is now known as Nexos 12:20:08 <|amethyst> oh 12:20:10 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 12:20:21 <|amethyst> I think I fixed that one 12:20:44 Great :) 12:20:48 <|amethyst> %git f61e71f 12:20:49 07|amethyst02 * 0.13-a0-2542-gf61e71f: Don't crash when returning to an level with scrying active (#7387) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f61e71f529e8 12:23:32 this is wrong place to ask i'm sure, but does anyone have any idea why i can't get water/lava to show up at all with putty on CAO? 12:23:40 i reinstalled windows 7 since last time 12:23:43 exact same settings 12:23:54 but everything is a jumbled mess at best 12:24:08 or normal and invisible water 12:25:22 maybe you picked a bad font? 12:27:32 <|amethyst> also, make sure putty is set to UTF-8 mode (under Window -> Translation, though I see that's different in Unix putty) 12:27:45 <|amethyst> or maybe it's changed recently 12:29:30 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:34:39 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:36:55 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:43:26 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:07 -!- batty is now known as Guest70374 12:59:11 -!- Burer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:09 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:07:57 -!- Burer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:46 -!- Guest70374 is now known as TrAr^Nem 13:10:06 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:10:42 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:23:39 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:25:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:26:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:31:35 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:45 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: There is no dark side of the moon really. 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Use !messages to read it. 16:11:43 bh: OK, I'll let st_ know. 16:11:46 !messages 16:11:47 (1/1) kilobyte said (12h 13m 4s ago): an alternative would be enlarging Blade: it's dangerous enough to warrant doing after V, yet is too small for people to go there specifically for. A fun distinct challenge, yet with questionable reward. 16:16:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:19:04 You know. 16:19:04 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19:20 I like the ranked vorpalisation suggestion in that one tavern thread. 16:22:06 why don't we let vorp target equipment like enchant armour? 16:23:13 -!- TrAr^Nem is now known as DsFi^Makleb 16:24:04 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:24:41 iunno why not 16:24:58 or have acquirement generate a temporary store 16:27:15 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:27:17 Bloaxor: one problem is, how do you rank them 16:27:20 cursed scroll of acquirement. creates a temporary store where all items are desirable but cost more than you have 16:27:44 freezing sucks on, like, a short sword 16:27:52 blessed scroll of acquirement: creates a temporary store where everything is 1 gold 16:27:53 but is one of the best brands on an exec axe 16:28:03 Zannick: trollololo 16:28:11 venom rocks early on but is utterly useless in extended 16:28:19 ontoclasm: I'd rather elec than freezing 16:28:40 -!- Taco_Princess is now known as Gambutt 16:28:50 I was playing |||||||||||||||| and got frustrated with No Jiyva, so I wizmoded as the game started. Then I found the Obsidian Axe in the first room. 16:28:52 -!- Gambutt is now known as Taco_Princess 16:28:57 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Changing host] 16:28:59 -!- HorseMeds is now known as Smallinsect 16:29:07 -!- Taco_Princess is now known as Gambutt 16:29:10 i'm pretty sure an elec axe of freeze is better than one of elec generally 16:29:14 but i could be wrong 16:30:01 Also the long running question of mine; 16:30:10 Is vorpalise a more common scroll now? 16:31:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:51 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:35:00 beneficial mutation should probably be more common 16:35:05 and blah mutations should stop being 'good' 16:36:10 by that do you mean the 'good' ones that can actually be bad 16:37:18 +1 str, -1 dex -- yes 16:39:28 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39:49 the entire point is that they're not always strictly good so those definitely shouldn't be excluded 16:40:26 so beneficial mutations shouldn't be always be strictly good? 16:40:39 yes 16:40:51 it has e.g. horns in it 16:40:53 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:40:54 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: but +2/-1 would fit the name of the potion more 16:40:56 and mana shield 16:41:27 Beneficial mutation could either be more common or more powerful. 16:41:52 ontoclasm: mana shield is DS only 16:41:56 And more powerful implying actually giving two ranks of less extreme mutations. 16:41:58 o really? 16:42:01 originally i thought bh meant the +1 str etc mutations 16:42:05 those are pretty blah ;) 16:42:10 I don't particularly mind them not being strictly good but sometimes the ways they are bad end up being rather irritating 16:42:14 still, the inclusion of slot muts means it's definitely not strictly good 16:42:29 probably if you got more "interesting" things out of such a potion, it'd feel better 16:42:36 the +1, -1 muts are really dull anyhow 16:42:43 Head slot mutations are bad. 16:42:45 MarvinPA: bmut shouldn't be strictly good, but they should be weighted away from being blah 16:42:47 rather than "you might get rF, but you could also just get horns" 16:43:03 oh right sure, just reducing the weight of some of those stat ones in general might be good 16:43:13 fr remove stiff/loose muscles 16:43:19 ^ I wouldn't mind. 16:43:27 <|amethyst> also, Bloaxor has a point regarding multiple levels 16:43:35 <|amethyst> one level of most of the scale mutations is meh 16:43:36 Str+1 is like 16:43:38 Nothing. 16:43:41 <|amethyst> since it's usually AC+1 or AC+2 16:43:43 Compared to regeneration:1 16:43:43 I seem to recall that you can get up to +14 Str from mutations 16:44:21 <|amethyst> could make each level of the stat mutations do +3 or -3 16:44:32 3 sounds like way too much 16:44:37 <|amethyst> 2 then 16:44:52 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44:58 Well you could do a +2/-1 16:45:31 <|amethyst> the problem with +2/-1 instead of straight + is how to handle cancelling 16:45:34 by being so naughty as to conveniently giving you one level of the stat you'd lose 2 of 16:46:06 which to say stiff muscles:2 would include dex+1 and vice versa 16:47:29 the +1,+1 lajatang of Fee Simple {drain, MR++ Int+3} -- I do get a kick out of the random name generator 16:48:12 |amethyst: If you had a +2/-1 and got a conflicting +2/-1 I'd go with either replacing it, or removing both 16:50:34 <|amethyst> but then getting a second when you already have one is a net wash, or negative 16:50:54 <|amethyst> and the point is to make those mutations not a net wash 16:51:42 <|amethyst> but having both at the same time is even worse, and leaving a residual +1 mut is weird 16:51:50 <|amethyst> hm 16:52:31 can't they just be on the same spectrum, the way carnivore/herbivore are? 16:52:40 i.e. you physically can't have both? 16:55:20 well those just work by cancelling out like stiffstrong/flexibleweak currently do 16:55:36 unless it's racial carnivore/herbivore i guess 16:56:26 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:13 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:14 -!- Gambutt is now known as Taco_Princess 17:01:08 -!- sacje has quit [Excess Flood] 17:01:13 -!- Notorion has quit [] 17:04:39 -!- axujen has quit [Quit: Gotta Go Fast] 17:04:44 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05:57 <|amethyst> I like how there are three different ways for mutation to conflict, and that's not counting physiology conflicts 17:07:24 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:11:43 <|amethyst> see also 17:11:47 <|amethyst> %git ec34e7b 17:11:48 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-1575-gec34e7b: Revert "Fix apparent redundancy with regeneration/slow healing mutation conflict." 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec34e7be6e7d 17:12:10 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:05 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:29:30 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:29:50 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:31:17 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:37:18 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 17:39:02 -!- alheris has quit [Client Quit] 17:57:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:48 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 17:59:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:07:54 (Bloaxor: My question wasn't rhetorical; what is the beogh altar supposed to look like? I'd just like to know.) 18:08:31 Nivim: I didn't really make the sprite. 18:08:42 Who? 18:08:45 My best guess is a symbol of Beogh carved out in rock. 18:08:54 ontoclasm of course 18:09:11 the problem is just when it's just a circle for some reason 18:09:16 Huh; I'd thought you'd done the first versions, the ontoclasm touched it up and submitted. 18:10:24 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:09 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:13:22 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:26 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:20:01 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:25:57 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:27:33 -!- pisano3 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:33:26 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 18:41:38 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:42:23 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44:17 -!- whiterider has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:53:00 -!- Vandal has quit [] 19:01:32 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:02 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:21 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:01 it's a circle because orcs are o 19:07:05 geddit 19:07:19 also because circles are pretty common religious symbols 19:12:30 a beogh altar is supposed to look like an underscore, duh 19:12:38 just like all other altars :) 19:12:50 -!- tani has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:13:45 -!- axujen has quit [Quit: Gotta Go Fast] 19:13:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:14:01 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:18:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:57 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:28:04 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:36:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:04 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:44:28 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:04 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:47:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:47:34 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:54:10 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:10 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:46 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 19:54:55 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:58:38 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00:10 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01:06 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:06:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:16 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07:40 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 20:08:57 -!- walk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:12:26 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:13:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:13 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:19:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:20:06 -!- tesudzi has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:20:07 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:20:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:35 |amethyst: i wonder if i should give lorcs passive heat as the top level, and ignite blood as the lower level 20:24:45 maybe that would keep the feel of AOE damage without being as anti-beogh? 20:25:24 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:33 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:39 <|amethyst> isn't ignite blood bad for allies? 20:30:14 ignite *whose* blood 20:30:48 -!- Arctirus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:09 -!- asgalath has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:37:04 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:07 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 20:37:33 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:38:40 |amethyst: i thought it only hit enemies, maybe i'm wrong on that though 20:38:43 -!- Arctirus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:04 i did make a lava blood effect for lorcs, before ignite blood was a thing... that ended up being too much like passive heat though 20:39:07 I thought ignite blood burned all the blood splatters 20:39:11 ??ignite blood 20:39:13 ignite blood[1/1]: Causes all blood spilled in your LOS to burst into flames (and have a flame cloud placed on top of it), makes more blood get spilled in the first place, and also provides immunity to flame clouds. Alternative to Hellfire as the third level of the Demonspawn fire facet, making it tier 2 rather than tier 3. 20:39:21 ah 20:39:45 ?? ignite poison 20:39:46 ignite poison[1/1]: Damages all (excluding you) in LOS that leave poisonous corpses or are poisoned (+cures it). Turns poison/str.poison/degen potions and poisoned ammo/corpses (excluding your inventory) to flame clouds. Ignites poison/noxious clouds. Makes a temporary venom brand into temporary fire brand. No effect on staff of poison or staff of Olgreb. 20:40:30 i think lorcs should get something area-affecting, but if it's really creating issues for certain playstyles, it should probably be made friendlier for that 20:40:58 <|amethyst> I kind of think there should be more downside 20:41:14 <|amethyst> or, perhaps, more gradations of downside 20:41:33 <|amethyst> OTOH, I guess that encourages micromanagement of tension 20:42:03 doesn't lorc do that anyway? 20:43:11 |amethyst: i was thinking that mesm would be fun 20:43:42 geekosaur: well if the exp decay goes in, it should feel a lot more natural; you'll just creep up to a certain amount of tension and not be able to go past it, no tension-kiting 20:44:09 unfortunately, my job decided to not let me quit, so I'm not going to have the month off that I was planning... 20:46:10 the key thing there is the data collection but doing that would require some way to do that on the server, so it's probably not going to happen 20:46:16 :( 20:49:08 Eronarn: how do they do that 20:51:07 SamB: i told them i didn't like my current job and that i'd be taking a month off to look for another one, so they offered me a much better job but partially on the condition that i don't take any time off right now (as this is a really sensitive period for this part of the company) 20:51:35 hope it's in writing 20:52:24 Eronarn: ah, they bribe you 20:53:57 just repeat that until you make infinite money 20:54:02 can't fail 20:57:49 -!- Aponym has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:31 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:19 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:13:18 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:20:38 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:24:42 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:27:28 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:28:41 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:16 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:31 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:19 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2676-gd993d8a 21:45:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:57 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 21:54:15 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:57 -!- dalord0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:02:09 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 22:05:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:09:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:10:01 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:12:23 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:05 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:21 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:23 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:26 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20:38 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20:52 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:03 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:25 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 22:26:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:35:52 -!- lazer has quit [Client Quit] 22:48:16 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:48:58 -!- RiotInferno_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:16 -!- TanchoVilla has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:59:35 -!- Pisano2 has quit [] 23:02:20 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:31 -!- walk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:03:17 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:03:43 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:51 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:06 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:21:14 -!- DsFi^Makleb is now known as GrEE^Sif 23:23:18 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:24:15 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31:07 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:34:09 -!- Ranathar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:35:25 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:36:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:53 -!- Flex has quit [] 23:41:50 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:42:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:44 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2676-gd993d8a (34) 23:46:19 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:28 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:55:22 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]