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-!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:43:07 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 01:45:19 -!- foonesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48:01 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:16 Hi folks, there are some interesting patches at https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8966&p=122156&sid=6ff72e4a1e71932dd0d18b4da4b98f22#p122156 01:48:43 BlackSheep seems to have a little trouble getting them to the proper place, and the content seems good. 01:53:43 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Client Quit] 01:56:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:58:10 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:56 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09:01 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:14:46 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection 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I just realised that sublimation doesn't actually work on preserved meat 03:30:40 <|amethyst> I guess I'll need to fix those 03:31:19 preserved meat? 03:31:29 <|amethyst> rations, beef jerky, etc 03:31:39 <|amethyst> they do work with simulacrum, but not sublimation 03:32:13 oh 03:32:15 i had no idea 03:32:31 what do they turn into? 03:32:37 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33:24 "You see a beef jerky simulacrum." 03:34:44 yaks i think 03:34:53 meat rations are more complicated 03:35:19 heh 03:35:22 oh, jerky might also make minotaurs 03:35:24 im not really sure 03:35:38 that'd be a solid reason to haul around jerky 03:35:58 since i tend to have like 90x more rations than i need 03:46:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:53:03 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2670-g662fae2: Don't treat preserved meat as sublimable. 10(14 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=662fae26a539 03:55:35 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:57:12 -!- cbus has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:59:13 -!- agolden is now known as aegolden 04:20:32 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:43 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:42:30 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:45:09 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:47:44 -!- whiterider has quit [Quit: zzzzzzzzz] 04:52:42 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:01:50 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:01 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:56 -!- nooodl has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:04:00 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 05:21:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:40:07 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:44:45 -!- Brandon__ is now known as Fusoya 05:49:56 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 05:57:07 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:58:49 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:38 -!- Fusoya has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:01:36 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:02:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:34 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:35 -!- ktgrey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:26 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:35 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:19:48 -!- flappity has quit [Quit: ???-???-??-???] 06:33:09 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:35:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:13 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:55:06 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:10:52 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:41 -!- Chozo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:19:49 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:21:12 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:23:47 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:28:40 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:36:55 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 07:38:16 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:44 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:05 -!- Grimalki1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:05 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:39 -!- dosman711 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:56 -!- axujen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:50:56 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:02 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:02 -!- marcmagus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:06 -!- Grimalkin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:07 -!- dosman711` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:07 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:51:55 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:18 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:21 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:56:01 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:56:01 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:56:01 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:59:16 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:01:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:02:38 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:05:33 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:08:29 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:28 Is it ok that 065a63a015 now leaks information on whether a monster is shapeshifter or not? 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Or would that look very ugly in tiles? 10:41:21 Oh, can we apply the same treatment to Jiyva and slime-formed shapeshifters? 10:42:24 <|amethyst> %git 472dd48a 10:42:24 07elliptic02 * 0.12-a0-2747-g472dd48: Don't warn Jiyvaites when attacking slimes that are known shapeshifters. 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=472dd48ada80 10:42:31 <|amethyst> that's how I knew how to do it 10:44:43 But when worshiping jiyva all slimes are neutral, and shapeshifters are not 10:45:10 so when you see a non-neutral jelly, you know it is a shapeshifter and is safe to attack 10:45:22 <|amethyst> hm... that might be more difficult 10:45:36 <|amethyst> since you'd have to unconvert them and change their attitude when they do shift 10:46:07 <|amethyst> whereas this (and the bad attack prompt in 472dd48) doesn't actually change the game's state, only your knowledge of it 10:46:39 I mean, just don't warn people when attacking unknonwn slime-shaped shapeshifters - as they are already known 10:46:58 in bad_attack, I mean 10:47:17 <|amethyst> that might be reasonable 10:47:34 <|amethyst> we already "leak" that with the paralyse ability 10:47:57 <|amethyst> I'd see what elliptic thinks, and maybe others too 10:49:10 <|amethyst> !tell elliptic moxian suggests removing the MF_KNOWN_SHIFTER check in 472dd48, because the monster's non-neutrality already leaks that it is a shifter 10:49:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 10:49:35 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:47 <|amethyst> moxian: there is still the case where the shifter jelly is sleeping 10:52:07 ye, right. 10:52:57 <|amethyst> !tell elliptic (but it's not a leak if they're asleep and didn't get a chance to convert, so...) 10:52:58 |amethyst: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 10:58:45 -!- Grathtarg has quit [Client Quit] 11:01:03 -!- Mistguided has quit [Client Quit] 11:01:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:05:41 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: 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you're probably trying to die 16:48:43 there is that. but in general I expect some complaint if Blade becomes less easy to just ignore 16:49:44 another option is to just add animated weapons to the vaults monster mix 16:49:48 autoexplore traps are also mostly just explore traps 16:51:50 and really the entire reason to skip hall of blades is that dancing weapons are generally incredibly dangerous 16:52:27 with no upside 16:52:35 like running into the pair of them guarding the blade entry vault is okay and all but I imagine you want to think very hard about making those spawn regularly 16:53:44 i'd be fine with removing the hall of blades, it's not doing any harm by itself though, so if anyone has a reason to keep it i'm fine with leaving it in too 16:53:45 portal vault or branch, don't merge it into vaults proper 16:53:48 * geekosaur imagines random disto dancing weapons in the mix 16:53:57 in vaults itself, that is 16:53:58 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:00 ick 16:54:00 however theres no reason to just add dancing weapon vaults to replace it 16:54:05 I suspect the changes to hall of blades made it at least worth considering for people who happen to need to get a good weapon out of it at that point 16:54:32 the awkward part is that you usually have a good one by then... and if you don't but are relying on weapons to kill things, going in is a terrible idea 16:55:02 speaking of vaults, i think the weights of D encompass vaults should be lowered a lot 16:55:25 they seem to be way more common than in older versions, i tend to think they should be the rarest type in the game 16:55:28 yes please 16:55:51 this would likely be a popular change considering how obnoxious several of them are to get 16:56:01 like the lava sea vault 16:56:09 bad ones should be purged 16:56:16 since it's not even the lethal kind of obnoxious 16:56:23 i'm talking about lowering weights because they are just too common in general 16:56:31 it's not a statement about quality 16:56:52 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57:01 yes, I understand that, it's just that the overall quality is worth considering too and quite a few of them are disliked 16:57:25 of course that's more of a case-by-case thing 16:57:27 I'd be interested to see what the distribution looks like 16:58:43 I can't actually think of too many encompasses that aren't gigantic slogs that give out lots more XP than a normal floor right now, even 16:59:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:34 well, from what i've noticed, there's enough vaults in general right now that i think the game could cut a lot of them and still have enough variety, but a higher quality level overall 17:02:03 if i had the time i'd do it myself, sorting through everything, reorganizing the various des files, and trying to purge maybe 20% of the stuff 17:02:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:28 actual amount would be lower, it's just good to aim high 17:03:50 is there a known bug with tiles display at the moment? 17:04:06 If anyone can spec cheibrodos' game on cszo 17:04:06 gammafunk: what in particular? 17:04:19 wall tiles are showing up on open space 17:04:23 well 17:04:29 I told him to wait a sec 17:04:31 but he quit 17:04:43 I think there are plenty of known bugs with it but I'd never heard of that one 17:04:52 although was it like, the entire display corrupted 17:05:15 many open tiles had wall tiles; when he saved and restored, the display was fixed, but then a few turns later it happened again 17:05:29 his game isn't going any more, sadly 17:06:18 Yeah that one, I can't quite think of anything like 17:06:41 evilmike: yeah but then you'd remove someone's pet and things get ugly 17:07:15 I've had monsters shown incorrectly, full display corruptions, and occasionally just the odd incorrect tile 17:07:33 sounds like none of these three, unless I'm misinterpreting 17:07:43 but the tiles do get messed up a lot in general 17:08:44 There was a similar display bug that occurred in the 0.12 alphas. In either case I'll just keep an eye out for it and report if it pops up again 17:09:09 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:09:44 evilmike: I mean, I have the time and inclination to do it, but I doubt my patch would get accepted without a whole bunch of hassle 17:09:55 st_: probably! so then one or two things get reverted to appease them, i am willing to compromise. 17:09:57 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:11:14 if you do it, you'd need to find someone ahead of time who'd support it 17:11:38 if only hangedman became a dev... 17:12:05 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:21 i really won't be able to do anything like this myself, not until next year at least, but i'd voice my support or give feedback at least 17:15:33 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:15:42 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:25:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:50 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:37 -!- Malia is now known as Duckbilled 17:31:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:42 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:37:57 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:39:04 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:37 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:44:19 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:44:35 -!- Silurio1 is now known as silurio 17:46:01 -!- Duckbilled is now known as HorseMeds 17:49:02 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:30 argh 17:49:57 apparently there's a size limit on abyss vaults 17:50:38 and i can't turn the entirety of abyss:5 into a fake zot:5 thanks to the encompass restriction 17:51:10 you'd need an infinitely big encompass vault 17:51:43 abyss should be infinite and chaotic anyway, with only small islands of relative stability 17:51:55 hm, yeah 17:52:07 i will chop this down to just the orb vault, then 17:52:16 at least it makes monster selection easier 17:52:17 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:40 Zannick: what the heck are you making 17:55:14 an abyss orb mimic vault! :D 17:55:19 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:22 with a rune 17:55:46 do you remember the thing we said 50 minutes ago about vaults 17:56:02 about how there are tons of bad ones 17:56:11 you mean while i was working on it to begin with 17:56:16 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:56:23 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:56:38 so you're saying i can't contribute any good ones, cause there are too many bad ones? :( 18:01:13 what i had in mind is actually a bit more elaborate and would involve completely reorganizing everything, and actually paying attention to things like depth and weight when it comes to how things are categorized 18:01:55 it's just that, because of what's involved there, it's a good excuse to do some trimming 18:04:34 anyway we should certainly move to a "need to remove a vault to add one" policy 18:05:18 that seems unnecessarily combative 18:06:34 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07:06 -!- silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:11 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:32 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:07 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:09 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:14:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14:19 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:17:10 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 18:20:14 -!- foonesh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:43 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25:11 -!- axujen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:52 foonesh (L26 GrGl) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(f.mons.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 1599 failed. (D:11) 18:27:23 -!- Pisano2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:13 Zannick: the problem with abyss vaults is that they need to be entirely contained when the abyss shifts 18:32:20 otherwise vaults would get hacked into pieces 18:33:30 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:33:41 * geekosaur was wondering about that as a feature: enter an abyss:5 that looks like zot:5, only it starts corrupting... 18:44:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:50 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: Stay sane inside insanity!] 18:55:02 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:13 -!- Gotham has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:59:39 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01:40 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02:30 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:04:12 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:42 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:16:41 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:17:37 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:20:18 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:52 st_: after the past two weeks I'd refuse it even if it was brought up again 19:21:43 also for months after d:27 had generation time sped up I was planning to make the _three_ valid encompass vaults have much lowered weight for d:27 but no nobody else can think of these things 19:22:38 I too have given up 19:23:05 !messages 19:23:06 (1/1) foonesh said (1d 4h 6m 55s ago): Hey, if it would be possible I'd like to ask you to delete that buggy save, or perhaps move it somewhere safe, in case the issue does get resolved. The save is in crawl-git-56e3d78c6f 19:23:26 well beyond too disenfranchised 19:25:06 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:25:48 !message foonesh Can't find the file :S 19:26:04 it's "!tell" 19:26:51 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:21 tenofswords: true that 19:27:23 -_- 19:27:30 !tell foonesh Can't find the file :S 19:27:31 TZer0: OK, I'll let foonesh know. 19:27:36 I demand an alias! 19:27:39 :P 19:28:31 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 19:28:33 TZer0: you run clan, right? 19:28:39 bh: yup. 19:28:45 how resource intense is it? 19:28:52 hmm 19:29:13 The DGL-directory is current about 16 GB 19:29:34 The CPU is at about 12 % 19:29:47 how much bandwidth does it eat? 19:29:59 Very little. 19:30:19 hold on 19:31:21 I'm running iftop now. 19:31:43 There are 6 users on the server, 1 idle 19:31:53 peak so far is megabits/s 19:31:58 2 megabits/s 19:32:40 but other than that 19:32:42 hrm. I didn't realize that I had 2TB of transfer / mo 19:32:45 Tzer0: How about in crawl-git-c1edc7049b ? I'm not entirely sure what I am doing, but that's the directory console just gave me when I did a backup save 19:32:45 foonesh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:32:49 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:32:51 it seems to stay fairly close to 20 KB&s 19:32:54 KB/s 19:32:58 hm, the abyss really likes destroying my perma walls 19:33:25 Zannick: what are you trying to do? 19:33:38 The abyss doesn't give a damn about perma walls, since perma walls don't occur in the abyss 19:33:45 i'm just testing out the vault 19:33:46 foonesh: moved it away now. 19:33:49 ah, that could explain it 19:33:51 Thank you! 19:34:02 bh: 2 TB/month is way more than enough 19:34:21 TZer0: is there a DGL for dummies guide? 19:34:25 keep in mind that after someone launches webtiles, all they get from the server is text and commands to move parts of a tileset around. 19:34:35 yup, hold on 19:34:49 I'm just a simple code monkey. Things like chroot confuse and frighten me 19:35:57 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:36:29 bh: http://dobrazupa.org/setting-up-dgamelaunch-and-webtiles 19:36:49 and you can always poke me or |amethyst for help. 19:38:02 !tell |amethyst didn't you put the dgamelaunch setup guide on the wiki? 19:38:03 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 19:39:03 Zannick: did you cut your hair recently? I passed you on the street a few days ago and it took me a few seconds to recognize you 19:40:18 bh: haha, yeah, a few weeks ago i shaved it almost all off 19:40:38 wait what people actually SEE eachother 19:41:00 SamB: Zannick lives one town over from me 19:41:14 we work at the same company 19:41:20 shhh ;) 19:41:31 though no one knows that 19:41:33 hahahah 19:41:38 including us 19:42:01 I only know the guy who is the higher-level maintainer for CLAN 19:42:22 Everyone else in here are unknown faces to me 19:42:27 but I know their nicks at least... 19:42:29 :P 19:42:43 -!- sepik121 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:42:51 I've met: haran, enne, zannick. rax threw a party at my friend's house and I wasn't invited and that was about a year ago and I'm still grousing about it 19:43:02 hahaahhaha 19:43:30 to be fair, neither my friend nor rax had any inkling that I knew the other 19:44:21 daww. I was checking where in Poland kilobyte is connecting from 19:44:33 is he your neighbor or something? 19:44:37 we're almost as far from each other as actually possible within Poland. 19:44:48 http://en.utrace.de/ip-address/89.206.35.133 19:44:53 ha. I think Napkin is somewhere in Germany that's very near to Poland 19:44:54 He's on that dot 19:44:56 I 19:45:11 I'm in southern part of Poland 19:45:19 the dot with Bielsko-Biala on it 19:45:31 * bh really wants to go to the Tatras 19:45:33 south-east of Kraków 19:45:38 heh 19:45:38 st_: after the past two weeks I'd refuse it even if it was brought up again 19:45:41 what does that refer to 19:45:52 O_o 19:45:55 oookay 19:46:28 i was asking tenofswords 19:46:32 the joke (?) line " if only hangedman became a dev..." 19:46:58 I mean the past two weeks, they've been relatively uneventful in terms of changes 19:47:01 !seen hangedman 19:47:02 I last saw HangedMan at Thu Mar 14 13:04:34 2013 UTC (21w 2d 11h 42m 28s ago) parting ##crawl-dev with message 'chanpart'. 19:47:12 !seen greatorbofeyes 19:47:12 I last saw greatorbofeyes at Wed Jun 19 15:13:18 2013 UTC (7w 3d 9h 33m 54s ago) joining the channel. 19:47:25 very personal stuff 19:47:27 TZer0: I thought kilobyte was at debconf 19:47:31 Wait, who is hangedman? 19:47:36 some dead person 19:47:46 SamB: haaa.. 19:47:47 hrm. by the time i fight through this vault the walls are gone 19:47:54 who is going to soon have company 19:48:26 tenofswords: .. what? 19:48:31 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:48:39 not important 19:48:57 TZer0: hangedman changed aliases 19:49:04 TZer0: he made a *lot* of vaults 19:49:16 he isn't around much anymore. He reads the chat logs sometimes 19:50:10 Anyway, time to sleep 19:50:13 I am tired 19:50:37 I'd be fine with almost everything but my branch ends and one serial vault being removed if it means people would remember my patches 19:50:38 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0/20130730113002]] 19:51:22 Zannick: have you ever set up Rietveld? 19:51:26 or Gerrit? 19:53:12 no and no 19:53:16 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54:33 thanks for volunteering? ;) 19:54:52 :p 19:55:14 keep dreaming 19:55:25 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 19:57:58 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:05:54 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 20:07:26 heh, this time the abyss decided at some point to place an exit right under the orb mimic 20:08:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:50 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:19:43 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:49 k i dunno what else to do with this 20:21:07 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:19 why don't you just add a new map mask and get the abyss to abide by it? 20:21:26 hey jday_, how's the wonderful world of brogue? :) 20:21:45 no, i mean, i'm basically done 20:22:00 i don't care enough to trick the abyss all that much 20:23:16 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:28 Zannick: can you toss it up on pastebin? 20:24:39 yeah, gimme a sec 20:24:43 i'm cleaning it up 20:25:41 bh: Ah! Well, Brian's got nice progress going towards a release, although I haven't had the time to review it. It definitely calls for it, since it revamps stealth. 20:26:57 http://pastebin.com/XNzXrNe3 20:27:22 Zannick: orb guardians in the abyss? you're mean. 20:27:23 oh, whoops, another extra unused marker 20:27:37 only 2! 20:27:43 i originally had 1. 20:27:52 you should make that no rtele into 20:28:25 ah, yeah, i had that at one point 20:28:37 'cause without it, that vault is just going to murder people 20:29:18 cough 20:29:38 i thought it was pretty easy. but then again i wizmoded myself into an endgame axe character 20:29:39 pretty sure nobody fixed banishment itself potentially placing you directly ontop of a vault 20:29:42 cough 20:30:10 it's on abyss:$ so who cares about danger levels 20:31:08 yeah, i could remove that; or increase the weight or something 20:31:24 look at the other abyss rune vault 20:32:02 the other abyssal rune vaults are hardly consistent :P 20:33:09 evilmike_abyss_rune_elephants 20:33:57 ok, how about one orb guardian and the rest thrashing horrors/abominations? 20:34:15 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 59-103 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2765 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:34:15 %??orb guardian 20:34:20 thrashing horror (08X) | Spd: 25 | HD: 9 | HP: 33-64 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1707(trample), 907(trample) | 11non-living, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 841 | Sp: might | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 20:34:20 %??thrashing horror 20:34:43 The Guardian is sort of inappropriate. 20:34:51 even if it continues the "joke" I'd prefer non-sprint non-zotdefence to never move orb guardians out of zot:5 regardless 20:35:06 the problem with the mimic is that it's spoily 20:35:12 implications can already be enough for the vault's "joke" without having to step over the boundaries 20:35:50 e.g. no_item_gen and just a dumb single large rock 20:36:12 rune vaults in general are pretty spoily :P 20:37:02 Zannick: at least randomize their locations 20:37:48 they are never in place when i reach the vault anyway 20:37:54 "patrolling" 20:38:11 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:23 -!- Melum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:24 put a door on it? 20:38:26 http://pastebin.com/cCCQejST 20:38:42 can do that, too 20:40:05 digging and apport 20:40:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 20:41:14 so i put stone walls instead and now it's shatter and apport 20:41:32 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 20:41:37 there is slightly more investment and slightly less characters able to shatter 20:41:37 you want to implement undiggable walls for the abyss? 20:41:50 slightly 20:42:06 (and even then shatter in the abyss is quite a ways dangerous) 20:42:23 also "implement"? 20:42:42 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:01 it apparently needs a code change 20:43:39 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:43:42 not that it should be used, but, uh, X 20:44:07 the abyss eats permarock just as well as normal rock 20:44:17 in vaults? 20:44:22 yep 20:44:40 if a vault is cut off then the vault should just disappear anyway 20:44:51 also why am I even 20:45:24 i am standing in the middle of my vault watching it get eaten away 20:46:10 i am now running away from the orb mimic through the gaps in the walls 20:46:40 oh 20:47:08 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 20:47:08 abyss vaults changing at all is just general fundamental breakage (no leaving empty spaces or using CLEAR doesn't count) 20:47:23 good stuff to know 20:47:26 the walls are all pretty gone by now 20:47:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:39 file a bug report 20:48:11 defined features within vaults in abyss are supposed to stay stable 20:51:55 -!- sbanwart has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:52:30 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:39 bh: is anyone realistically going to expect the orb outside of Zot:5 ? 20:52:49 ??orb 20:52:49 orb of zot[1/4]: Goal of the game; get it and return to the surface. Found on level 5 of the Realm of Zot. Picking it up seals portal entrances dungeon-wide, bestows the -cTele status in a radius of 2, and causes all monster generation to become extremely rapid and to consist solely of abyss- and pan-type nasties, including pandemonium lords. Weighs 60 aum. 20:52:59 No, they are not. 20:53:07 i'm just trying to get an orb mimic back in the game :P 20:53:17 Anyone remember back when we had obvious rune mimic vaults? 20:53:23 Anyone think those were a good idea? 20:53:46 I'm just wondering why bh thinks the orb mimic would be "spoily" 20:53:59 Hint: most of the functionality for orb mimics no longer exists. 20:54:02 last version: http://pastebin.com/szF5jHKg 20:54:03 can just imagine bug reports now 20:54:06 Grunt: does it? 20:54:10 Grunt: what functionality 20:54:14 I miss dracoomega 20:54:17 ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 509 failed. 20:54:17 %?monstrous item mimic 20:54:22 i kind of liked the d:1 entry vault with the orb mimic 20:54:23 unknown monster: "orb mimic" 20:54:23 %?? orb mimic 20:54:28 that's just monster being dumb 20:54:30 behind the unbreakable walls 20:54:36 ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 556 failed. 20:54:36 %??monstrous item mimic 20:54:52 mimics are placed as items anyhow 20:54:57 unknown monster: "orb of Zot mimic" 20:54:57 %?? orb of Zot mimic 20:55:04 didn't really expect that to work 20:55:15 (another thing to regret that won't really ever be fixed: permarock getting seperate colour/tiles from nearby regular rock) 20:55:50 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:45 Monster 'monstrous item mimic' can't use items. 20:58:45 %?? monstrous item mimic ; orb of zot 20:59:26 Grunt: so can you point to a commit removing orb mimic functionality 20:59:57 Give me a bit... 20:59:58 beyond the removal of the Zot:5 subvaulting I mean 20:59:58 pretty sure my code enabling it is still there 21:00:23 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:31 The one I'm thinking of was, 21:00:33 %git 6e99564 21:00:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1250-g6e99564: Remove (now unused) monstrous mimics on next save bump. 10(8 months ago, 6 files, 20+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e995646f7c9 21:00:44 with removing zot:5 subvaulting there's only one real excuse I can think of for orb mimics is a sprint gimmick 21:00:57 yes, that makes sense 21:01:03 ah 21:01:06 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:01:32 you can reasonably have the "zot vault" in a sprint place multiple orbs 21:01:39 yeah, the "orb mimic" scream is gone, too 21:01:49 i'm surprised i didn't notice that when testing 21:01:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:36 Abyss modifying vault features by Zannick 21:02:50 -!- Pacra has quit [Client Quit] 21:05:55 well, that was a good waste of a few hours 21:06:23 i suppose if someone wanted to add orb mimics to their sprint that'd be cool. 21:06:48 There are a couple of vaults which use cheap substitues for orbs. 21:07:00 Not that I necessarily advocate for such a thing, because the one I'm thinking of is kind of silly. 21:07:17 too bad someone removed the orb mimic shrieking code 21:07:27 that was my favorite part 21:07:35 cheap substitutes for orbs!? 21:07:39 zot defence mock vault 21:07:45 That one, yes. 21:08:10 %git b47114a 21:08:10 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-3180-gb47114a: Remove a reference to orb mimics 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b47114a92749 21:10:02 could probably destroy some last wills by finishing mimic-capabilities of one of the last (and possibly only thinkable choice) of mimics 21:10:13 erm, of non-mimic'd things 21:11:18 -!- Aponym has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:24 The bug tracker is a mimic! 21:11:36 You kneel at the altar of Xom. Xom is a mimic! 21:11:43 Xom roars with laughter! 21:11:51 (it was altars yes) 21:12:09 -!- HorseMeds has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0/20130730113002]] 21:13:10 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:13:15 there have been floor mimics in the past 21:14:04 functionally replaced by certain spiders 21:15:22 i think those predated the mimics 21:15:31 the feature mimic 21:15:48 functionally supplmented by 21:16:29 so the spiders have ... what's that thing where they grab you called again? 21:16:37 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:03 that was actually suggested for those during spider-planning days 21:17:41 Constriction? 21:17:52 -!- Grathtarg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:04 well, something akin to it 21:18:17 (pull back on hit and being faster than you) 21:18:40 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:18:41 -!- gammafunk_ is now known as gammafunk 21:18:50 You cannot move! 21:19:12 fr: You have been cocooned by spiders! 21:19:28 ahem 21:19:33 af_ensnare 21:25:15 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:36 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:30:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:32:07 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:40:06 -!- Roshnak has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:24 -!- Roshnak has left ##crawl-dev 21:46:04 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:56:57 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:58:28 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:53 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:02:07 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:09:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:15:46 -!- Roshnak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:15:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:25 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:39 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:20:53 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:27:30 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:28:33 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:46 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:58 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:30:13 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:30:25 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:27 -!- slifty has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:53:43 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:32 -!- whiterider has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:56:49 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:49 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:53 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20:14 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:29 -!- foonesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:28:07 -!- Sovek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:34:24 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:28 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:07 <|amethyst> TZer0: no, I didn't put it on the wiki yet... 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