00:01:18 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2640-geebf78d (34) 00:06:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:11 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2640-geebf78d (34) 00:06:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:43 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:51 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:23:26 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:12 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:37 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:57 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:55 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31:18 -!- letmeon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:36:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37:54 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:51:06 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:53:20 Wasn't there a bug report about creatures being pushed through walls? 00:54:09 I would like to add to it (air elemental fan pushing jellies into Slime:6 vault). 00:58:09 Nivim: I'm not seeing any bug reports for Fan of Gales 00:59:29 bh: Yeah, I didn't see it either, but I recall there being something about the new evokables sending stuff through walls, but I guess no one is on right now who remembers. 00:59:43 just file a bug. 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-!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:29:16 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 13:30:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:25 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:31:10 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:31 -!- TheArcanist has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47:37 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:38 I think I'm on the fifth or sixth time I've forgotten my mantis password. 13:51:15 they make password managers for this kind of thing... 13:51:19 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:52:26 Vaults for the main dungeon by KennySheep 13:52:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:55:14 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:56:28 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:01:43 -!- Heros has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:12:14 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:31 -!- Heros_ 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huh 15:08:20 <|amethyst> not sure how that would happen unless the visionary vault placed twice (but it isn't tagged "allow_dup"), or the swamp subvault already placed (but it's tagged "unrand") 15:09:22 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:11:22 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:18 why is that giving an error anyway? 15:12:54 <|amethyst> subvaults 15:13:02 <|amethyst> they're like witches, but harder to burn 15:13:10 -!- Burer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:15 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:16 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:14 probably it's placed the subvault but the vault thinks it should be placed again 15:25:17 <|amethyst> but that would mean spider, shoals, and swamp don't exist in the game 15:25:25 <|amethyst> err, spider, shoals, and snake 15:25:43 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:25:59 <|amethyst> or that dgn.br_exists is returning incorrect results 15:26:16 i don't actually know what the vault looks like 15:26:38 <|amethyst> !vault grunt_ashenzari_visionary 15:26:48 it has two subvaults behind glass 15:26:51 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8212642 15:26:55 showing the two lair branches you have in the game 15:27:10 e.g. if you got spider and shoals one half will be full of spiders and the other full of merfolk 15:29:03 <|amethyst> the check is two if/elseif/... chains checking for existence of each of the branches, in opposite order 15:30:17 <|amethyst> so if only one of those four branches exist, it would try the same subvault tag twice; there's only one subvault per tag, so you'd see the error stabwound is seeing 15:31:49 <|amethyst> are there any problems with subvault vetos in 0.12 15:32:03 yeah, i would try reproducing in trunk 15:32:03 <|amethyst> I remember some of those being fixed, but can't remember if it was 0.12 or 0.13 15:32:21 <|amethyst> well, if it's a veto reproducing could be difficult 15:32:45 <|amethyst> I was thinking of the situation where it tries to place and fails, but doesn't give back the subvaults 15:32:57 -!- popx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:14 i looked through dgn_br_exists at head but it looks fine 15:33:20 <|amethyst> then when it tries on a future level (since the main vault is unused), the subvault can't be placed because it was never re-marked as unused after the failure 15:33:29 Fan of Gales pushes monsters through walls. by Nivim 15:33:43 <|amethyst> %git 3578d3b0b045c36dc502c87394451867f39ed882 15:34:13 07DracoOmega02 * 0.12-a0-2796-g3578d3b: Unregister subvaults when their parent vault is unregistered 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3578d3b0b045 15:34:13 (I finally filed it.) 15:34:13 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:34:26 <|amethyst> hm, no, that should be in 0.12 15:34:59 <|amethyst> stabwound: if that game is still ongoing, could you provide a save backup? 15:35:11 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:35:17 i'm not sure how to do that 15:35:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:40 oh, i see 15:35:44 <|amethyst> stabwound: save, then A b from the 0.12 menu 15:35:49 <|amethyst> and give us the URL 15:36:18 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/Stabwound-crawl-0.12-130806-1636.tar.bz2 15:36:45 <|amethyst> thanks 15:40:43 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:43:12 grunt_ashenzari_visionary subvault error by neil 15:44:13 _dgn_unregister_vault doesn't know about tag "unrand" 15:44:38 though neither does _dgn_register_vault 15:44:56 <|amethyst> it shouldn't need to 15:45:21 <|amethyst> unrand just means it won't be placed by DEPTH: 15:45:29 oh 15:53:23 <|amethyst> stabwound: if there's anything you want to add, see Chei's link above 15:53:34 i am not familiar enough with c++ exception flow 15:55:15 <|amethyst> Zannick: it's pretty straightforward: look up on the (run-time) call stack for the nearest enclosing try block that has a catch whose type matches the thrown exception 15:55:23 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:35 yeah, i just found a block that will never execute 15:55:44 but all it does is print a debug statement and return 15:55:55 <|amethyst> where at? 15:56:16 dungeon.cc:1963 15:56:30 _dgn_ensure_vault_placed either returns true or throws a veto 15:57:13 <|amethyst> line 1963 in 0.12 or trunk? 15:57:21 oh, hm. 15:57:28 i am looking at the wrong thing 15:57:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:42 i opened the diff you linked :3 15:58:01 dungeon.cc:2062 in trunk 15:58:24 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:58:45 i think the vaults are not being cleared on a veto exception 15:59:08 it looks like only abyss.cc calls dgn_erase_unused_vault_placements 16:00:27 <|amethyst> and wizmode 16:00:30 <|amethyst> ah 16:00:41 probably because abyss generates a lot of vetoes, it exacerbated the problem until someone added that 16:00:55 <|amethyst> and wizmode in testing 16:01:03 <|amethyst> because it kept you from placing the vault twice 16:01:06 <|amethyst> with &L 16:01:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03:25 <|amethyst> I think you may be right 16:03:42 would it make sense to place a call to it in _build_level_vetoable's catch block? or does it need the level to be complete first? 16:04:45 <|amethyst> for testing you'd need: a vault containing a single subvault such that the outer vault vetoes on D:1 and places correctly on D:2 16:04:57 <|amethyst> then you can try &L on D:1 then on D:2 16:04:58 <|amethyst> hm 16:06:51 <|amethyst> I think _reset_subvault_stack is supposed to be handling this? 16:08:15 <|amethyst> see that function and apply_subvault 16:09:11 right, but if the veto occurs outside of subvault placement, reset_subvault_stack isn't called 16:09:35 it's only called when subvault placement fails 16:10:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:12:13 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 16:12:56 <|amethyst> the subvaults are only "officially" marked as used in dgn_register_place 16:13:37 <|amethyst> but if the subvault stack somehow isn't cleared, they could end up marked as used on the *next* attempt 16:15:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18:04 aha, and the next attempt starts with apply_subvault saving the size of the stack 16:18:17 hm, can apply_subvault throw a veto? 16:19:08 snrk 16:19:18 226 ASSERT(map.is_subvault()); 16:19:19 227 if (!map.is_subvault()) 16:19:19 228 return false; 16:19:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:01 <|amethyst> Zannick: well, that kind of makes sense, because it's possible to compile with asserts disabled 16:23:40 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2641-gc68e7bd: Use-id amulets of resist corrosion on getting hit by acid. 10(88 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c68e7bdaf3a2 16:23:49 <|amethyst> then again, it's uncharacteristic of us to actually check for the problem when that is the case 16:24:47 ah 16:25:12 yeah, i'm not sure what's happening here 16:25:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 16:26:50 <|amethyst> probably need to try replicating it first (see my suggestion for a test case above), then watch the veto diagnostics with FULLDEBUG=y and/or trace it in gdb 16:27:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:27:30 <|amethyst> test case: a vault containing a single subvault such that the outer vault vetoes on D:1 and places correctly on D:2; then you can try &L on D:1 then on D:2 16:28:10 <|amethyst> with similar tags to the ashenzari case, in case those matter 16:29:30 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32:28 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32:29 |amethyst: well, d:1 vetoes if it's disconnected at all, iirc 16:32:38 so you can use that 16:33:29 you can also just define a post-place function that vetoes once 16:33:48 <|amethyst> yeah, or one that checks the level 16:34:31 <|amethyst> using disconnection wouldn't work with &L anyway since that doesn't do whole-level checks 16:35:24 dungeon.cc:4227 is where _build_vault_impl calls dgn_register_place 16:35:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:35:32 which registers the vaults 16:35:58 and there are a few opportunities after that to veto, which i believe would call the subvaults not to be unregistered 16:36:48 maybe i will try the veto test case when i get home tonight, unless someone beats me to it 16:47:51 -!- duckroller has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:53:51 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:56:02 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:56:09 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 16:56:33 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:35 -!- slifty has quit [Client Quit] 16:57:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 16:57:33 -!- Fhqwhgads is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:00:10 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 17:01:26 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:21 -!- 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(Lair:7) 21:41:43 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:50 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:37 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 21:48:24 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:49:16 -!- axujen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:37 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:52:09 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:06 CAO webtiles down? 21:53:20 http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ 21:54:52 Ketziah the Basher (L7 LOAs) (D:4) 21:55:02 -!- axujen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:01 -!- disconnected has quit [Client Quit] 21:56:17 Daisuki the Cleaver (L8 DjFi) (D:4) 21:56:21 <|amethyst> there was a stuck crawl process making it hang 21:56:21 <|amethyst> it should be working now 21:56:46 |amethyst: which of the above was that? 21:56:50 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:58 <|amethyst> both, in that order 21:57:08 <|amethyst> killing the first one unstuck it but then it got stuck again 21:57:31 back online. i'll be your trusty net notification system I 21:57:31 <|amethyst> the scoring update was running, but that runs frequently so I don't think it was that along 21:57:34 <|amethyst> s/along/alone/ 21:57:40 (plaing so much crawl) 21:58:01 :) 21:59:21 Why does MorganLeah have so many clones? 21:59:55 Oh wait, refreshing for the fourth time made them go away. 22:02:19 -!- Amy is now known as Wolf 22:02:30 -!- Wolf is now known as Sonata 22:02:39 -!- Sonata is now known as Flappity 22:02:46 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:55 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:08:55 <|amethyst> Nivim: my guess (it happens with a lot of players when the server is unstuck) is that they hit reload a bunch waiting for it to come back 22:09:21 <|amethyst> I haven't looked into it though 22:10:15 -!- Momento has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:10:47 -!- Daisuki-chan has quit [] 22:11:02 <|amethyst> haha, my Wn just started with War Chants 22:11:28 <|amethyst> maybe Charms wanderers should start with the new skald book? 22:11:56 why? 22:12:00 i like the throwback =) 22:12:08 <|amethyst> no L1 spells mainly :) 22:12:28 ah 22:12:41 can they start with like cantrips or party tricks? 22:12:42 that'd be fun 22:13:08 <|amethyst> they cannot, but maybe 22:13:58 <|amethyst> but neither of those is associated with a school... I guess Party Tricks has two tloc spells 22:14:20 well, i mean, i've gotten books totally unrelated to the school i've started with before i think 22:14:24 <|amethyst> or burglary with its Air/Earth 22:15:03 i don't do enough wns to say that with that much confidence though 22:15:21 but i think i've like...started with sting and poison magic but also a book of necromancy 22:16:38 <|amethyst> it appears to be weighted by your skills (truncated to integers) 22:17:35 <|amethyst> see good_equipment in create_wanderer, which is passed through _wanderer_good_equipment to _give_wanderer_book if the skill was a spc skill 22:18:04 <|amethyst> I do think it would be kind of neat to give Cantrips as the (or a) Spellcasting option 22:18:29 <|amethyst> OTOH, if we give wanderers books other classes can't start with, it only worsens the startscumming problem 22:18:52 <|amethyst> which would be another argument against war chants, except who wants war chants? 22:19:34 <|amethyst> unrelated: should Blade card have a vorpalise option now that vorpalise isn't lame? 22:19:56 <|amethyst> s/un/only most tangentially / 22:21:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:24:05 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:43 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:34:54 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:35:45 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 22:38:00 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:41 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 22:40:26 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:40 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 22:44:05 argh 22:44:35 wizmode's resetting the uniq map list might be preventing me from testing it properly 22:44:47 -!- William is now known as Guest64205 22:44:52 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:45:09 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:28 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:26 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:42 -!- Guest64205 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:03 Engulf status remains after water elemental is trampled away from the player by drywall 22:49:02 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:13 -!- MistGuided has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:42 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:37 -!- |amethyst is now known as \amethyst 22:53:51 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:21 -!- \amethyst is now known as \amethyst-cszo 22:54:32 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 22:55:56 either i can't get the lua to error consistently or crawl is ignoring the veto from the lua error 22:56:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:48 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 23:05:57 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:06:10 i managed to make it veto once, then it placed the map again on the same level, vetoed for a different reason, then placed it a third time successfully 23:06:37 no subvault issues whatsoever 23:10:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 23:10:40 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 23:16:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:11 now i did it with the specific ash vault and it worked fine... 23:19:04 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20:36 -!- Cunnus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:01 -!- Gamesmaster1965 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:27:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:28:55 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:14 Is there any particular reason Djinni don't have electricity resistance? A recent commit implies they're sufficiently airborn to take less shatter damage. Just balance? 23:37:28 flight doesn't currently have anything to do with resisting electricity 23:38:36 I thought electric-type attacks were super-effective vs bird-types 23:38:53 not in 0.13 23:39:39 * SamB was kind of expecting to hear "um that's pokemon" 23:39:49 oh, hm, they were never super effective, flight used to confer some rElec but no more so it's more effective against fliers now and may seem super-effective in comparison 23:40:03 (oh. I know *-all about pokemon) 23:40:42 Ahh. 23:41:27 not in pokemon 0.13 23:45:23 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2641-gc68e7bd (34) 23:54:07 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:54:19 the devs ruined pokemon when they nerfed charizard 23:55:01 Charizard Armour 23:55:17 -!- Textmode has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:58:16 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev