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joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:55 |amethys1: do you know if crace is calculated at database insert time, or during query? 04:28:29 it would be nice to have it not spam queries with Grotesks separate with Gargoyles 04:29:12 and maybe even Kenku/Tengu, as it was a 100% rename without any changes 04:50:46 -!- lainiw has quit [Quit: woooooo] 05:05:38 -!- Kenran_ has quit [Quit: Quitting] 05:06:23 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:46 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:12:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:33:31 -!- Nivimer has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 05:33:46 -!- zkyp_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37:33 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 05:40:11 -!- timpakay has quit [] 05:48:22 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:59:18 kilobyte: you can use "gr" 05:59:21 for grostek or gargoyle 05:59:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:02:46 -!- Zermako 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you'd ask that 07:29:00 Haha 07:29:23 try grep -r orcish dat/des :P 07:29:57 somehow, there is not a single artefact with a racial setting 07:31:07 I pondered a "dwarven deathmask" (say, a +4 helmet {rF++}) but that's so direct a Tolkien reference dpeg would shout at me 07:32:15 it is? where does it appear in his works? 07:35:58 at least in two places in Silmarillion, first for dwarves from Belegost, second for something IIRC Turin related 07:36:14 both times connected to fighting dragons 07:36:27 but then it's likely dpeg doesn't know about it. the Silmarillion is obscure enough :) 07:37:51 * kilobyte wouldn't count on it :p 07:39:06 “Last of all the eastern force to stand firm were the Dwarves of Belegost, and thus they won renown. For the Naugrim withstood fire more hardily than either Elves or Men, and it was their custom moreover to wear great masks in battle hideous to look upon; and those stood them in good stead against the dragons. 07:39:44 ... blah blah blah, Glaurung and groupies wounded and driven away, Azaghl dead 07:40:54 second one: “and the Elves said: 'The Mormegil cannot be slain, save by mischance, or an evil arrow from afar.' Therefore they gave him dwarf-mail, to guard him; and in a grim mood he found also in the armouries a dwarf-mask all gilded, and he put it on before battle, and his enemies fled before his face.” 07:42:10 third one is uninformative; I can't seem to find where the name "deathmask" comes from, at least it's not in this copy of Silmarillion 07:57:47 -!- steve2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:00:22 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:10 -!- hart__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:31 -!- Guest65912 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:07:40 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:15 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:23:42 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:40 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:57 AleisterCrawley the Skirmisher (L7 OpNe) ASSERT((int)Buffer.size() == expanded_keys_left) in 'macro.cc' at line 549 failed on turn 5043. (D:4) 08:31:36 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:33:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:42:09 xom altar vault, heavy lua by Marbit 08:42:57 my vault : ) I hope you all have fun with it 08:45:41 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:08:44 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:09:36 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 09:18:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:14 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-2485-g242ae62: Mention how to destroy trees in their descriptions (felli) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=242ae62b957b 09:28:00 -!- boatman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:32:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:32:57 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:35:04 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 09:38:04 -!- tgcid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:38 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:35 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:45:33 -!- Vandal has quit [] 09:46:35 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 09:50:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:52:30 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:58:09 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:59:50 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 10:00:43 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:04:22 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:11:15 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:16:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:17:07 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:20:47 -!- santiago has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:21:05 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:22 -!- santiago has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:21:37 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 10:21:39 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:19 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 10:23:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:25:53 -!- valrus has quit [Client Quit] 10:29:02 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:09 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:34:47 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:51 -!- tswett_ is now known as tswett 10:38:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:07 -!- Pacra___ has quit [Quit: Pacra___] 10:46:46 oh 10:47:08 I just realized that once big character tile support is in, we can have better hats. 10:47:11 That's great news. 10:47:50 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48:56 what is that big character tile you are talking about? 10:49:19 -!- ground4_ is now known as ground4 10:49:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:19 Just support for things like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/Doomknight.png not bugging out due to them going beyond the 32x32 box centered on your character. 10:53:02 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:15 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:01:22 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 11:01:47 uh oh. As someone who reads Girl Genius, the idea of hats makes me REALLY scared. 11:01:55 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:10 also, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceHat 11:03:35 -!- cjo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:33 I mean, if you add it, it WILL be abused. 11:09:07 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:31 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:49 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 11:22:21 I doubt 32x32 hats would get through Border- er, Quality Control. 11:23:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:30 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:25:25 Is it ok to sell a game like this http://www.dungeonfray.com/p/dungeon-fray.html ? 11:25:48 (I mean the use of tiles) 11:25:57 Bloax: you know, there is a silly hat patch 11:26:42 -!- doerrpau has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:26:47 moxian: the tiles used are quite likely to be from the public domain RLtiles that crawl takes some of its tiles from 11:27:00 if you mean they're from crawl 11:27:12 elliott, oh, I see. Okay then. 11:27:29 moxian: there was an incomplete tile relicensing project a couple of years ago; many tiles, including most older ones, are public domain|CC0 11:27:30 I just thought they could be licensed or something 11:33:45 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 11:36:57 -!- Nightbeer is now known as ladykiller69 11:37:08 -!- ladykiller69 is now known as Ladykiller69 11:48:38 -!- Chousuke_ is now known as Chousuke 11:49:13 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:45 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 11:52:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:55:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:44 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:02 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2485-g242ae62 (34) 12:15:02 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:04 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:28:19 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:41 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:38 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:46 -!- sbanwart__ is now known as sbanwart 12:35:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:35:55 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:29 Grathtarg the Fighter (L19 GrWn) ERROR: range check error (-26 / 17) (D:18) 12:43:47 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:49 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:55 -!- sacre has quit [Excess Flood] 12:50:39 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 12:54:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:56:08 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:41 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Client Quit] 12:59:02 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:18 kilobyte: you don't like jaeger hats? 13:12:33 (did I spell that right?) 13:13:58 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:15:35 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:16:21 -!- bhaak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:16:42 -!- cjo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:29 yeah, Germans want to be written ae if you can't use diacritics, and complain loudly if you dare to use bare a 13:19:34 But that's 13:20:02 Though they're almost the exact same so who cares anyways. 13:20:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:22:10 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:20 theyre not 13:24:19 oh hm, i may have misunderstood something here due to bad font 13:24:19 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:24:33 i cant see the � 13:24:38 unless its a ? in a box 13:25:04 ae-ligature, which is not the same as a-umlaut (and not substitutable for it) 13:25:31 ah 13:25:48 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 13:27:35 what you pasted is ? in a box, though. 13:27:43 well, in a diamond. 13:28:14 unicode substitution character 13:29:47 -!- ChongLi_ is now known as ChongLi 13:30:16 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 13:36:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:18 I guess what he pasted was not unicode, and thus got interpreted as junk 13:38:22 IRC encodings are a bit of a mess 13:38:34 as I understand it 13:38:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:46:11 Pretty much. 13:50:00 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 13:52:14 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:29 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:38 -!- jeffrom has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:33 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 14:01:04 -!- six40sword has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 14:02:58 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:05 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:17 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:18 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:09:36 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:02 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:37 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:12 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:13 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:49 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:04 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 14:32:54 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:44:26 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:01 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 14:48:17 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:33 -!- felli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:52 bug? on http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#play-dcss-git with lava orc, I have now temperature=0 14:53:06 even when attacked by bunch of strong orcs and unique, getting hit a lot etc 14:53:16 since the git update from last hour 14:56:01 at least standing in lava elevates it.. 14:57:12 !messages 14:57:13 No messages for TZer0. 15:00:51 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:27 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:59 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09:51 -!- sacre has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:03 -!- felli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:11:22 -!- SmokedDragonfly has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:35 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23:58 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:27:48 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 15:28:41 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:04 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:01 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:34 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: (xchat 2.4.5 )] 16:01:37 -!- jeffrom has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:01:37 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:49 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:18 -!- Melum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:14 bug in webtiles - on current git version - http://bayimg.com/naNLlaaEN 16:07:52 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:22 -!- Neovanglist has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:03 Has anyone seen or worked out what the lua parsing issue for des files is on FreeBSD? 16:11:50 It definately has a hard time with line broken strings (eg: 'foo bar \ /n bar foo') 16:12:09 but I'm also seeing parsing issues inside the map blocks as well that are pretty nonsensical (same line number even if the content is entirely different 16:12:14 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13:00 I've also tried building against the ports FreeBSD lua (actually tried building without any of the dcss contrib folder using the environment's copy of those libraries - same problem) 16:13:38 seems this was not a problem in 0.8, and the copy of 0.11 in FreeBSD ports seems to work 16:13:54 I hand applied the patches for thr FreeBSD 0.11 port of dcss to trunk with the same issues as well 16:13:57 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7332 16:15:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:14 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:50 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:26 jejorda2 (L18 VpEn) ERROR: range check error (-8 / 17) (D:19) 16:19:44 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:13 -!- indspenc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:59 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:32:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:35:19 well this bug seems quite common, any idea what causes it or how to fix it? 16:35:29 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:35:53 <|amethyst> it's specific to webtiles but beyond that I don't know 16:35:58 <|amethyst> I've seen it too 16:38:00 are we referring to the range check error or my issue? :) 16:38:14 <|amethyst> no, the wrong stuff in monster list 16:38:21 ah 16:38:26 <|amethyst> with plants, zombies etc showing up as duplicates of other monsters 16:38:58 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: you have GNU flex and bison? 16:39:12 |amethyst: can do in a moment 16:39:18 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: the makefile calls flex and bison explicitly (rather than lex and yacc) so that probably isn't the problem 16:39:27 <|amethyst> but it's worth checking 16:39:45 <|amethyst> hm 16:39:58 <|amethyst> also, double-check that you don't have carriage returns in your des files 16:39:59 Flex 2.5.4 and bison 2.5.1 16:40:03 <|amethyst> I don't know how you would, but 16:40:06 So the traps skill was removed, and my XL26 LO lost about 10 levels (which is insignificant at that late in the game) but still, I guess the XP is just gone and not redistributed in any way? 16:40:14 that was actually my first thought, the CR 16:40:21 especially given that it was having a very hard time with those multi-line strings 16:40:26 <|amethyst> joosa: probably, yes 16:40:32 I also wondered if it was some unicode or other locale issue 16:40:33 <|amethyst> joosa: perils of trunk 16:40:51 joosa: you have 8.6 effective levels of trap skill 16:40:53 |amethyst: Yeah, I'd have hated it more with a XL 16 character :P 16:41:02 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: we do assume a UTF-8 locale in some places, but I don't think our build process does? or does it 16:41:03 -!- Chakani has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:41:07 joosa: so really you only lost like 2 traps 16:41:15 elliott: aha 16:41:24 <|amethyst> joosa: if you had traps 10 on an XL 16 character you probably deserved it :P 16:41:26 it's xl/3 16:41:40 |amethyst: I didn't even think about it until I ran crawl and saw it complain/exit when my locale wasn't set to UTF-8 (It is set by default to C) 16:41:52 |amethyst: I don't think this one had, just an example 16:42:10 so I changed my .login_conf to suit, but that was only an issue on webtiles 16:42:20 It was more like, I forgot the training on while clearing Zot 16:42:22 I've since moved to debugging a regular console build which is having the same problems 16:42:52 <|amethyst> joosa: no, it's not "fair", but making balance changes fair (as opposed to just non-broken) for existing characters is often more trouble than it's worth 16:43:13 is there a straightforward way to debug the map parsing using gdb or some other tool? 16:43:40 |amethyst: Yes, I'm not expecting big changes like this to be "fair" for old characters 16:43:57 I was just wondering what happened to the XP :) 16:45:16 So the new trap detection depends on XL and nothing else? Dex? 16:45:22 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: maybe you can set a breakpoint on yyparse() or something, but tracing lex- and yacc-generated code doesn't sound fun 16:45:30 I should probably look at the commits instead! 16:45:41 -!- SmokedDragonfly has left ##crawl-dev 16:45:47 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: I'll give myself a bulldog out of winston churchill] 16:46:37 hrm. I think there might be a bug with auto-travel 16:46:43 yeah that was my thought - http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs-z.org%2Fcrawl-dev%2F%2523%2523crawl-dev-20130601.log&ei=OAXrUfvgBIKOigLhv4GAAw&usg=AFQjCNEeC2bLARN14XNL3uKy9lyTdLFfHQ&bvm=bv.49478099,d.cGE 16:46:47 sorry for the long URL 16:46:55 I'm in Vaults and trying to travel to tomb and it hangs and hangs 16:46:55 it's a logfile to the IRC chat from a while ago 16:46:58 seems another guy was having a similar issue 16:47:09 ack. It looks like it's just walking me up and down the stairs 16:48:01 <|amethyst> joosa: looks like pure XL for noticing them and disarming, but if you fair a disarm dex affects your chance to avoid being hit 16:48:21 <|amethyst> %git db1b99369 16:48:30 07kilobyte * 0.13-a0-2457-gdb1b993: Let everyone spot traps, at XL/3 skill. 10(4 days ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db1b99369f49 16:48:38 <|amethyst> s/fair/fail/ 16:49:05 |amethyst: ok 16:54:16 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:54:56 |amethyst: I'm a bit confused about how that process works btw - the .des files are still directly editable in the dat/des runtime installation - so clearly the dcss runtime is parsing them? 16:55:29 trying to grok what the compile-time process is doing related to the runtime data (which seems unchanged? am I missing something?) 16:55:58 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: yeah, it parses them to lua (and compiles them to byte code and caches them) 16:56:15 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 16:56:21 <|amethyst> I believe it uses file modification times to know whether to use the cache 16:56:28 I figured that was the case - this is done by the runtime correct? 16:56:30 part of that "loading maps" process? 16:56:31 <|amethyst> yes 16:56:53 <|amethyst> read_maps() 16:57:14 is the runtime evoking anything via system() or similar calls? or is all of this done internally (including by statically linked libraries) 16:57:32 I'm trying to rule out environment deployments of these various libs in the case that the contrib libs are used 16:57:37 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: load_des_file is the important one I guess 16:57:37 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57:45 ok I will take a look at that 16:58:33 <|amethyst> err, dgn_load_des_file is the C++ name, and that just calls load_map 16:58:43 <|amethyst> (the process involves both Lua and C++) 16:58:53 <|amethyst> err, read_map rather than load_map 17:00:01 <|amethyst> and that calls _parse_maps, which does the cache stuff and calls yyparse 17:00:07 gotcha 17:01:07 looks like DEBUG_DIAGNOSTICS would be useful too 17:01:10 possibly 17:02:23 ok I understand now 17:02:41 the Makefiles generate the levcomp.tab which define that yyparse that the runtime uses 17:02:51 ok I have some very specific stuff to look into/try now, thanks! 17:04:38 hrm. I think there's a bug in troll shaman AI 17:04:49 I have 27 stealth, teleported and a shaman made a b-line for me 17:06:37 How would you know this for sure unless you saw where it moved from the get-go? 17:07:07 (Incidentally, your stealth doesn't actually affect shaking off monsters after you teleport) 17:07:26 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:08 btw, are there supposed to be warnings compiling from trunk? 17:10:17 <|amethyst> what version of gcc? 17:10:35 what warnings? 17:10:35 I'll let you know as soon as my compile finishes :) 17:10:45 what, only one terminal window? 17:10:46 lots of "warning: null format string" 17:10:47 n00b 17:10:58 <|amethyst> hm, not seen that one before 17:11:00 multiple, but the others are on IRC and I'm lazy :) 17:11:03 <|amethyst> gcc 4.1 gives all kinds of warning 17:11:03 <|amethyst> s 17:11:23 gcc 4.2.1 17:11:32 forgot I could just detach my irc screen :) 17:12:07 is it ok to paste 3 lines? 17:12:11 <|amethyst> sure 17:12:15 levcomp.lex.cc:2029:5: warning: "YY_STACK_USED" is not defined 17:12:15 levcomp.lex.cc:3338:5: warning: "YY_ALWAYS_INTERACTIVE" is not defined 17:12:15 levcomp.lex.cc:3640:5: warning: "YY_MAIN" is not defined 17:12:19 that looks suspicious 17:12:28 <|amethyst> hm 17:13:24 this is with flex 2.5.4 and bison 2.7.12-4996 (just made sure to rebuild with latest bison/flex from ports) 17:14:57 <|amethyst> hm 17:15:06 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:13 <|amethyst> remove the levcomp.lex.cc and levcomp.tab.cc 17:15:16 <|amethyst> so they get rebuilt 17:15:24 that was on a clean rebuild 17:15:28 <|amethyst> oh 17:15:34 good call though :) 17:16:02 Neovanglist: "null format string" sounds like certain buggy versions of clang 17:16:17 they also happen to claim to be gcc 4.2, if I recall correctly 17:16:53 which gcc is /usr/bin/gcc and gcc --version on that shows FSF copyright 17:17:10 new clang doesn't either have that bug nor claim to be gcc anymore 17:17:29 I do have clang as well (3.1) but it's version reports itself as such 17:17:29 so real gcc then 17:17:30 not as gcc 17:17:33 yeah, real gcc 17:17:50 what, there couldn't be too clangs at once? 17:18:14 <|amethyst> SamB: wouldn't say copyright FSF though 17:18:15 SamB: sounds noisy :) 17:18:22 <|amethyst> I hope 17:18:39 yeah I think it could fake the gcc ver but it would not have the FSF copyright block 17:18:42 that would be maddness 17:19:03 SamB: I think it's only 3.2 when upstream clang started supporting installing multiple versions in parallel 17:19:17 (I wouldn't bet my head on that, though) 17:20:03 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:36 Neovanglist: if you're unsure about your flex/bison, it's best to make sure you have _none_ 17:20:55 as this causes it to use prebuilt versions 17:21:36 kilobyte: isn't there a shortcut to do that anyway 17:21:37 or build with NO_LEX=y NO_YACC=y 17:21:39 yeah that 17:22:37 the point release of that gcc sounds suspicious... I vaguely seem to recall some problems with ancient point releases of 4.2 that have been corrected later 17:22:50 only vaguely, though 17:23:04 it wasn't anything like what you report 17:25:12 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:26 btw I think I found a bug in the makefile 17:28:48 (linking to the issue now - one sec) 17:29:17 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/Makefile 17:29:24 look at line 989 17:29:36 sets NO_YACC in both cases but never NO_LEX 17:30:01 ok, it isn't exactly used much 17:30:17 cool no worries, I'm assuming the intention was to have that be NO_LEX? 17:31:22 actually, it's correct, even if it looks misleading 17:31:50 I'm assuming that means in either case to simply use the NO_YACC flag? 17:31:54 both lex and yacc are needed to rebuild that stuff, NO_YACC is set if either is missing 17:31:57 yeah 17:32:00 (I don't see any refereces to NO_LEX anywhere) 17:33:29 building now with NO_YACC/NO_LEX and that makefile change reverted - will let you know how it goes shortly 17:35:35 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:35:49 appearently null format strings where allowed in gcc 3.3 17:35:54 but were not allowed before that 17:36:21 null format strings? 17:36:26 no luck with NO_YACC/NO_LEX - still get the warnings/runtime issue 17:36:35 main.cc:345: warning: null format string 17:36:37 etc 17:37:16 http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17328 explains it 17:38:11 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:41:26 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:44:05 that's gcc 3.2 vs 3.3, which is ancient history 17:45:10 which version do you typically use? 17:45:28 gcc 3.x or 4.x? 17:45:54 what was Cheibriados using again? 17:45:56 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:34 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:47:30 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:25 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 17:53:55 this decade I would hope some gcc4... 17:54:26 I'm compiling 4.6.x now 17:54:46 To be honest I haven't used a non LLVM or MSC compiler for a long time now :) 17:55:09 aside from just building stuff on my boxes out of ports, etc (which typically uses whatever FreeBSD shipped with) 17:57:01 was it 4.1 ? 17:59:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:19 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:07:12 got it working!! 18:07:22 wow must have been some compiler issue 18:07:32 gcc 4.2.1 was no go 18:07:41 gcc 4.6.3 worked fine 18:07:51 that said, I did still get the same compile warnings regarding null format string 18:07:54 with 4.6.3 18:08:10 <|amethyst> can you give a line number? 18:08:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:08:18 but I did not get the creepy warnings with YACC 18:08:40 sure 18:08:40 stuff.cc:272: warning: null format string 18:08:48 alternatively I can dump my whole compile output to a txt file and upload 18:08:52 if it would be useful 18:09:09 <|amethyst> hm 18:09:18 maybe the right thing to do is to add a check in the dcss Makefile that checks platform and compiler version? 18:09:25 <|amethyst> maybe that should be PRINTF(2, = "") ? 18:09:40 <|amethyst> stuff.h:33 18:09:46 <|amethyst> instead of = NULL 18:09:54 could be, yeah 18:09:58 looks related to what I was reading on the issue 18:11:11 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:14:24 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:42 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 18:19:09 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:33 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:35:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:47 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:25 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:01 top 18:50:03 doh :) 18:51:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:52:57 -!- hart_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:16 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:24 Well, this probably *is* a terminal window for you; just not the one you want :) 18:57:01 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:57 -!- Guest65912 is now known as magicpoints 19:01:46 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:03:50 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:27 -!- Humeeen has quit [] 19:19:33 Grunt: alt tab disaster :) 19:20:17 btw, it looks like what will need to be done is to add a FreeBSD block to the source/Makefile and source/rltiles/Makefile which sets up the compilation environment correctly 19:20:31 especially since the rltiles one ignores the GCC/GXX environment variables 19:20:59 I'll do something clean when I get a chance next week or so - what is the easiest way for me to get it integrated? 19:21:15 I have a gitorious branch of crawl already, should I just submit a merge request via that? 19:22:13 that probably works, and mention it in here to make sure someone notices it 19:22:44 ok, great 19:23:14 (You clear your throat and prepare to recite merge request #27.) 19:23:33 it looks like whichever gcc 4.2 shipped with FreeBSD 9.1 simply can't chew on those flex generated cc files without doing something wrong 19:23:37 hence the warnings/runtime issues 19:23:54 so I'm thinking to put up an error and bail with a nice message if a supported compilation environment isn't detected 19:24:37 if it is detected, we have to setup the HOSTCXX etc stuff and also in some cases add a -rpath /usr/local/lib/gcc(ver) to the linker (esp for tilegen.elf) so it picks up the right libgcc at runtime 19:24:47 that should cover it though, rebuilding stuff to confirm now (with webtiles) 19:34:17 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:50:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:57:54 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:03 don't worry, bh is strongly pushing to require C++11 support anyway 20:03:33 for some tempting reasons 20:06:08 :) 20:06:19 you should be in good shape on clang and gcc with C++11 20:06:22 watch out for msvc though 20:07:36 btw it appears compiling with NOWIZARD is broken? 20:08:09 no_save is ifdef WIZARD in the game_options struct 20:08:16 but files.cc accesses it without any macro protection 20:13:10 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16:46 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:17:45 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:52 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 20:25:07 any idea why crawl might just hang when invoked via webtiles? 20:25:26 no error messages from crawl, no errors or other badness in the webtiles log 20:25:38 just hangs on loading with the crawl binary using no cpu or file i/o 20:25:53 (previously it would crash out on the error loading the .des files, etc) 20:28:46 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:30:41 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:32:10 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:33:57 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:32 strace might be helpful 20:37:09 just got it sorted out 20:37:15 was an issue with the socket path 20:37:22 webtiles running on freebsd now, hooray :) 20:39:17 Shorten Elf and Vaults branches by chris 20:39:49 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:40:53 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:25 -!- rkd has quit [] 20:50:13 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:51:27 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 20:52:51 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:00 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 21:00:36 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:24 -!- reaver has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:12:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:14:02 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:14:44 Some vault unification for depth/place syntax by chris 21:24:07 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:27 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:34:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:53 -!- alchemist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:37:56 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:42:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:18 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:19 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:59:59 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:00:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:59 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:13:17 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:54 -!- hart_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:58 Nice. A Zot:1 vault that seems to be 4 orbs of fire standing in a 2x2 space in the middle of lava 22:14:32 lemuel_lake_of_fire 22:14:33 "a classic" 22:14:40 Really? 22:14:45 Then how have I managed to never hear of this before? 22:15:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:16:34 zot vaults used to be rarer i guess? also it doesn't always have all 4, you got lucky! 22:16:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:06 On a character that really doesn't want to be fighting them in the first place 22:19:23 -!- Guest65912 is now known as magicpoints 22:19:36 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: probably most of the time they're no longer in formation by the time you see them? 22:19:44 Yeah, I was considering that 22:20:03 Whereas this time they were all neatly lined up! 22:25:25 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:36:40 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:10 Then again, I guess I could just accidentally mummystab them all 22:39:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:09 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:33 -!- grathtarg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:49:13 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:50:59 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!] 22:54:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:01:26 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:52 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:53 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:21:26 -!- g057721 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:24:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:24:28 -!- Xenobreeder|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:25:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:29:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:01 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:17 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:36:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:37:32 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:50 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:42:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:00 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2485-g242ae62 (34) 23:44:39 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:53 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-2486-gbff2c5a: Fix a typo in a Vaults:$ quadrant vault. 10(81 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bff2c5ad3e38 23:47:53 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-2487-g8cb4bbe: Fix an inaccurate comments about Vaults quadrant size. 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cb4bbe1a10d 23:47:53 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-2488-g1078ce8: Several Vaults:$ quadrants. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 169+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1078ce87f6ba 23:50:54 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:52:09 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 23:52:24 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:55:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:15 -!- Rycklaryybbe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:58:35 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]