00:01:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2477-geaae114 (34) 00:01:44 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 00:05:56 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2477-geaae114 (34) 00:07:09 so... can we use C++11 yet? 00:07:21 don't think so 00:07:46 because of PPC? 00:08:21 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:06 because Apple is stingy yes 00:09:26 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:37 <|amethyst> chei will also need an upgrade 00:12:41 <|amethyst> also, how much C++11? 00:13:00 <|amethyst> because MSVC doesn't have full C++11 support 00:13:09 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:13:16 <|amethyst> (but it's much better than in VS2010) 00:13:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2477-geaae114 (34) 00:13:35 |amethyst: nice iterators, for example 00:14:16 for (auto ri : radius_iterator(p)) -- for example 00:15:25 <|amethyst> auto was added in 4.4; not sure about new for loops 00:16:15 <|amethyst> lambdas were 4.5 00:16:36 crawl with lambdas. What could go wrong? 00:16:42 <|amethyst> ah, range-based for is gcc 4.6 00:18:17 <|amethyst> Some things weren't added until 4.8.1 00:18:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:32 <|amethyst> bh: looks like the latest RHEL has 4.4, Debian stable 4.6 for some archs and 4.7 for others, and Debian oldstable 4.4 00:28:18 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:29 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 00:30:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:33:32 <|amethyst> bh: as for macs, it sounds like we need to somehow use a newer gcc or llvm anyway because of compiler bugs; there was a discussion here a week? ago 00:33:47 sounds about right 00:34:18 afaik we have no data on how many ancient apple users we have 00:34:24 <|amethyst> bh: so requiring at least 4.4 probably wouldn't be a problem, though monster would have to move from chei to sizzell 00:34:50 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:11 what's the issue with chei? 00:36:21 <|amethyst> bh: I have no idea about VS2012, though; I know its support is partial, but I don't know which parts 00:36:49 <|amethyst> bh: the server chei runs on isn't mine 00:37:07 ah 00:37:37 <|amethyst> bh: I could theoretically upgrade gcc there, but there are paying customers on that machine and I am not one of them :) 00:37:46 <|amethyst> so I'm wary of breaking things 00:37:55 this is a very sensible concern. 00:38:32 <|amethyst> some day I'll move Chei to cszo/dobrazupa but I haven't got around to it yet 00:39:12 <|amethyst> likewise the s-z.org git repos 00:39:52 <|amethyst> (though maybe I'll move the monster and chei repos to github) 00:43:49 having chei give github links would be nice, isn't there a built in github thing for mirroring an external repo? 00:45:55 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2477-geaae114 00:47:50 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:13:46 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:39 -!- vosai has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:55 -!- reaver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:19:21 -!- bza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:51 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:31 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:18 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:40:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:04 -!- Aponym has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:52:38 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 02:00:17 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 02:00:50 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:04:45 -!- dupo has quit [] 02:09:50 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 02:15:52 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:24:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:28:52 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:21 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:31:57 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:34:43 Shadow creatures in elf summon creatures from spider by Grandiloquent Gentleman 02:34:58 That's an... interesting bug report 02:38:43 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:59 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:43:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:49:39 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:54:29 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 03:09:27 -!- Carrotz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:09:39 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:12:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:12:33 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:35 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:30:37 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:43:26 -!- ELRanger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:01:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:02:25 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:04:38 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:08:54 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:36 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:34 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:20:57 -!- anidude has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:22:53 -!- moxian_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:00 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:02 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:32:23 haha, from the stone soup 0.1 changelog: !* Evocations skill no longer can be the determiner for your max MP. 04:33:54 Heh 04:34:48 rip 04:43:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 04:47:55 that's great 04:53:36 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:26 -!- moxian_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56:31 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:38 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:11:50 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:12:11 |amethyst: right-hand column shows what they added since vs2010 - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx 05:13:09 i don't feel particularly strongly that msvc support should *stop* us using c++11 since i'm pretty much the only person that compiles with it and some things are still buggy 05:13:20 although i have been finding it *extremely* useful 05:14:34 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:16:07 it does support lambdas, but apparently not attributes 05:16:52 ... is it just me that always wants to add an extra 'l' to make llambdas?? 05:18:19 yes 05:19:50 :( 05:20:08 you would say that eliot 05:22:29 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:23:50 muumraa 05:24:38 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:24:53 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:02 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:29 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:36:11 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:39:26 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54:18 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:54:47 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:56:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:58:50 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:59:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:37 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:06:04 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:12:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:59 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 262 seconds] 06:17:19 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:17 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:55 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:31:40 -!- Snakeboots has quit [Client Quit] 06:33:00 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:40 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:20 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:41:21 -!- Sovereign has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:43:03 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:09:20 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:07 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:51 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:13:58 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:22 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:16:28 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:21:32 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:32 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:25:51 -!- Duralumin has quit [Client Quit] 07:27:11 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:28:39 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:30:40 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:33:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:42:13 -!- Naruni has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:42:26 -!- Ganrao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:39 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:03 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 07:43:37 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:45:48 -!- klang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:48:07 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:56:18 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:37 -!- V38 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:57:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:45 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:59:01 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:03:15 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:04:51 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:08:00 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:34 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:24 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20:33 -!- santiago has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:56 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:11 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:53 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:27:21 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:23 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:26 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 08:42:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:50:55 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:07 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:56:46 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:04:23 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:04:59 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:06:40 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:00 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:11:49 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:12:19 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:34 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:36 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:48 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:21:35 -!- johlstei has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:26 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:37 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:17 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:35 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:35 -!- darktwinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:34:03 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:34 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:44:19 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:45:45 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:48:43 -!- Thyme has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:49:33 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:08 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:27 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:55:21 -!- kronusdark has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:01:35 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:02:37 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:46 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:07:08 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:07:50 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:42 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 10:10:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:49 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:20:05 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:21:51 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:22:06 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:43 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:20 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:30:22 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:31:29 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:10 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:38 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:16 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:44:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 10:49:49 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:50:27 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:31 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:51:13 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:21 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:56:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:30 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:50 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:02:12 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 22.0/20130626043228]] 11:03:49 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:22 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:36 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:37 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:10:49 Searing Ray does not trigger Battle Sphere by the_clanless 11:10:49 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:13:26 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:37 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:27 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:52 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 11:16:16 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:19:32 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:47 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:37 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22:08 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:24:05 -!- steve2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:12 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:27:25 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:29 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:29:47 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:30:35 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:07 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:25 -!- johlstei has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:44 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:36:07 Abyss red floor too similar to red wall by XuaXua 11:36:17 I immediately know who reported that based on the bug title <_< 11:37:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:43 -!- cjo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:40:15 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:41:24 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:59 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:49:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:48 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:57:40 -!- V38 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:02 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:59 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:03:13 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Client Quit] 12:06:49 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:08:03 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2477-geaae114 (34) 12:09:20 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09:44 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:03 Grunt: Can people enter a vault and immediately detect a grunt vault? 12:11:09 I don't think I could, actually 12:11:25 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:40 I'm not even sure I could detect a lightli vault tbh 12:13:26 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:21 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:21 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:49 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17:21 I am troubled by the abilities and properties of creatures changing based on glyph asthetics. 12:17:56 What? 12:19:29 DracoOmega: Stuff like Deep Dwarves losing their DR and non-regeneration because they get moved off q. 12:19:42 Well, I think you are reversing cause and effect 12:19:54 Losing non-renegeration was one of the motivators for this in the first place 12:20:04 In which case it is bad for them to remain a deep dwarf 12:20:13 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:28 I read conversations on changing glyph before seeing any one changing mechanics; sorry. 12:20:44 Well, this originally came up a week ago or so 12:20:51 Yesterday was just a followup 12:22:36 I do agree that I wouldn't be fond of the idea of changing mechanics JUST to tidy glyphs or something, sure 12:23:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:51 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:21 gammafunk: They can with some Grunt vaults. 12:26:25 ??profane save 12:26:26 I don't have a page labeled profane_save in my learndb. 12:26:31 ...aww, someone removed that one <_< 12:27:33 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:27:39 ??profanesave 12:27:39 profanesave[1/1]: The D:27 strategy in which you save immediately after entering profane_halls. 12:27:40 Maybe not. 12:28:44 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 12:28:58 what's exactly the point in DD losing non-regeneration? 12:29:18 that doesn't sound like a motivator to me, more like a demotivator 12:30:20 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:39 monster dd, not players (all of which except unborn and death knight are being removed anyway) 12:32:31 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:37 (and obviously death knight and unborn would have their species changed) 12:33:15 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:29 "being removed anyway"? That's news to me. Why? 12:33:50 death knights in particular have no reason to do so whatsoever 12:33:59 as their abilities heal them 12:34:49 scions and so are probably redundant now that we don't have the Dwarven Hall anymore 12:35:06 but they have more reasons to stay than, say, tengu 12:35:18 because they're all really boring monsters and none of them even spawn anywhere? 12:35:19 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35:20 Weren't you even involved in the original conversation? I seem to recall it. 12:35:35 yes 12:35:38 And drain life doesn't actually heal it against a number of character, it should be pointed out (if you have rN or whatnot) 12:35:43 13:45:24 is there much reason to keep deep dwarf monsters? 12:35:44 MarvinPA: There another one of the few things in abyss that act living. 12:36:02 s/There/They're/ 12:36:41 -!- werewolf is now known as Guest53467 12:37:12 -!- tigertrap has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:37:19 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:24 MarvinPA: ... 12:37:35 MarvinPA: have you read what I wrote in the discussion 12:38:11 base, death knights, unborns, Jorgrun, Wiglaf [not dd, skill q], probably necromancers 12:38:22 even DDBe sound better than SpBe 12:38:54 -!- bigdumbman has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:39:40 -!- tigertrap has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:24 -!- Guest53467 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:40:36 DD levels are one of more interesting Zig ones, for example 12:41:04 dd zig levels don't exist 12:41:09 they're not really since yeah 12:43:03 elliott: ? 12:43:20 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:02 they were removed 12:44:03 months ago 12:44:07 DD zig levels have been removed for something like six months or so, and were widely (and accurately) considered to be one of the least threatening, yet most tedious of all Zig floor types 12:44:09 I thought you commented at the time? 12:45:52 hmm, I see. You _almost_ reverted that commit, but not completely. 12:46:05 fd9c0071 12:46:38 Who almost reverted what? 12:46:44 it was followed by MarvinPA's commits 12:47:14 two immediately, more later 12:48:15 like, say "chaos levels" which had nothing chaotic in them 12:48:53 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:48:54 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: oh god how do i internets] 12:49:51 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:42 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:20 -!- Rebenga has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:55:26 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55:29 -!- OCTOTROG_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:55:30 scions spawn in: mercenary card, Abyss, one of Crypt endings, a dwarf-themed vault with Arga, arena sprint, zigsprint 12:57:11 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-2478-g3d5b449: Remove a Dwarf reference from Zigsprint. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d5b449c0f04 12:57:11 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-2479-g530eb38: nooodl-y vaults (#7353). 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 160+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=530eb3813072 12:57:13 artificers in mostly that, a food vault, pitsprint, and four other vaults 12:57:13 -!- marquess is now known as truelife 12:57:13 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:13 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:09 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 13:01:53 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:45 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:03:02 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:33 Grunt: your commit doubles the amount of pan lords, is that intentional 13:03:43 It does? 13:03:47 No, it's not intentional :| 13:04:32 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:03 |amethyst: trunk on cszo: Another game is already in progress using this save! 13:05:07 (will that go away on its own, or...?) 13:05:41 Grunt: what happened to your other session? 13:06:44 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: tigertrap] 13:09:56 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:17 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:10:58 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:11:04 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:16 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:33 -!- kronusdark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:44 so, like, 2 cerebovs? 13:18:49 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:49 kilobyte: my connection cut out. 13:19:11 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:19:49 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:57 Grunt: and you got a different IP, right? 13:20:37 console has an option for forced takeover for this reason 13:21:13 wait, c�o... you can connect to it on console, force takeover, save, then connect in tiles 13:21:56 kilobyte: I normally play on console, and that's where the message is appearing for me... 13:22:02 (i.e. I'm not getting the usual forced takeover option) 13:23:55 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:26:16 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:31 There are some stale Stone Soup Trunk processes, will recover in 6 seconds. 13:30:34 Press a key NOW if you don't want this to happen! 13:30:57 ...yes, I am not seeing that. 13:30:59 (that's CDO, though) 13:32:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:35 -!- sacje has quit [Excess Flood] 13:37:27 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:39:49 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:49 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 13:39:49 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:36 -!- chewymouse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:12 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:02 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:44:19 -!- anidude has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:38 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:29 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:51:49 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:58:15 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 13:58:38 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:45 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00:38 -!- mason- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:55 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:01:02 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:12 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:22 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:04:55 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:09:38 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:04 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:14 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:06 -!- cjo_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:15:11 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:18 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:39 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:22:06 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:11 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:26 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:24:56 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:25:04 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:10 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:48 -!- cjo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:47 -!- cjo has quit [Client Quit] 14:35:59 Are zombie shifters supposed to shift? 14:36:09 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:10 Thyme: why, do they? 14:37:18 unknown monster: "shifter zombie" 14:37:18 %??shifter zombie 14:38:01 One was shifting as I fought it. 14:39:02 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:34 that sounds interesting 14:39:46 i don't think shapeshifters are supposed to be zombifiable 14:44:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:02 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:45:09 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:46:28 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:50:53 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:48 -!- kronusdark has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:52:25 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:52:26 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:55 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:55:47 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:57:08 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:40 -!- steve2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:01:52 Zannick, SamB: Wasn't there a bug report about simulacra doing that too? 15:02:00 maybe? 15:02:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:20 there was something about undead shifters 15:03:03 Yes, 7319. 15:03:09 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:31 People started noticing it after shapeshifters were allowed to be raised, of course. 15:04:26 It doesn't seem like they should do it when nearly every other creature ability goes away upon raising. 15:04:49 Trample and...what? 15:05:10 Constriction 15:05:14 why are shifters even allowed to be raised? 15:05:16 And yes, it's definitely a bug 15:05:49 DracoOmega: (The bug report includes a changelog quote specifically allowing undead shapeshifters to do their thing.) 15:06:28 Wait, seriously? 15:07:09 I've also had shades from death channel do that 15:07:18 But that made some sense, I thought. 15:07:24 Well, death channel would arguably make more sense 15:07:33 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:07:35 Do death channel creatures still cast? 15:08:15 No 15:08:27 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08:32 Then they probably shouldn't change either. 15:08:38 But yes, somehow I missed this commit sepecifically enabling this 15:08:44 It seems really strange and off to me 15:15:28 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:19:26 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:46 -!- darktwinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:22:27 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:22:53 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24:08 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:39 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:35 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:14 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:30:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 15:31:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:33:16 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:36:23 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36:26 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:09 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:12 so since this came up in not -dev and I was thinking it too 15:39:20 why are tengu reavers so ridiculous 15:39:29 (and why does Sojobo need an entire band of them) 15:40:00 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:26 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:41:39 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 15:43:17 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45:13 alefury: you can't raise shapeshifters; some folks have reported seeing zombie shapeshifters but I'd be interested how they generated 15:45:24 at least, not by the spell 15:46:20 kilobyte: So it's just the simulacra spell that can make shapeshifters now? 15:46:57 yeah shapeshifter simulacra seem widely observed at this point 15:48:05 simulacra were intended, I have doubts if that was a good idea though 15:48:12 zombies certainly not 15:50:14 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:56 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: homeward bound] 15:52:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:16 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:40 -!- KLAN|F has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:50 -!- sepik121 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:03 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:13 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:06:17 -!- grathtarg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:02 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:22 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:12:40 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:14:27 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:16:42 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:32 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:11 -!- blue102 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18:16 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:40 -!- Humeeen has quit [] 16:20:38 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:59 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:01 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:51 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:46 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it does seem a little inconsistent with other monster special abilities on undead 16:25:37 |amethyst: there are a lot of stuck games on cszo right now, it looks like! 16:25:42 <|amethyst> hm 16:26:13 <|amethyst> yeah, webtiles appears to be hanging 16:26:46 Some people are also reporting seeing "Another game is already in progress using this save!" via console, i.e. no force-recovery prompt. 16:26:49 (This includes me <_<) 16:27:33 -!- Shadowmage952 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:36 cally (L3 DsMo) (D:2) 16:27:47 -!- drag0n_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:57 Yay! 16:28:00 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:20 why are you cheering for crashes 16:28:29 <|amethyst> SamB: that was a manual kill 16:28:34 oh 16:28:44 <|amethyst> that was the process that was hanging webtiles 16:28:54 see I can't tell the difference until we start reporting which signal was used 16:28:59 I'm saying "Yay!" because my game is going again :b 16:28:59 <|amethyst> :) 16:29:39 <|amethyst> SamB: I looked into that but wasn't sure of a good way to do it, since it would be Unix-specific 16:29:48 so is Medar going to fix the server so this never happens again after it's restarted 16:29:58 <|amethyst> !lm cally crash -log 16:29:58 1. cally, XL3 DsMo, T:1453 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/cally/crash-cally-20130719-212735.txt 16:30:14 |amethyst: for MSVCRT we could just do it by hand 16:30:25 <|amethyst> !tell Medar this crawl process was hanging webtiles: !lm cally crash 1 -log 16:30:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 16:30:30 MSVCRT doesn't support many signals 16:30:32 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol this crawl process was hanging webtiles: !lm cally crash 1 -log 16:30:33 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 16:30:38 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:07 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31:32 <|amethyst> oh 16:31:39 <|amethyst> I should have used a different signal 16:31:42 <|amethyst> to get a core dump 16:31:57 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:08 <|amethyst> I'll have to remember that next time 16:32:24 <|amethyst> has CAO had any problems since r a x restarted it? 16:32:32 <|amethyst> s/it/webtiles there/ 16:32:32 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:03 <|amethyst> it hanged at least three times in the span of a week 16:33:53 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:03 <|amethyst> (maybe "hung" is more correct, but "hanged" is much more evocative :) 16:35:48 -!- Gamesmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:37:59 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:17 -!- cptwinky has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:23 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:40:20 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:41:59 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:48 -!- Duralumin_ is now known as Duralumin 16:48:59 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:08 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50:06 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:25 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:47 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:52:50 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:58 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:56:14 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:00:37 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:02:59 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:07:33 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:15 wow. according to the lobby, whales has like 15 games going on cszo 17:09:57 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:37 !locateall whales 17:10:38 Failed to locate whales. 17:11:48 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14:23 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:16:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:16:46 -!- nitrile has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:16:56 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:42 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: has something to do with the server having been frozen 17:17:52 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: reloading removes all but the correct one 17:18:21 |amethyst: didn't prevent me from entering my game so i didn't really investigate further 17:18:32 i just thought it was weird 17:18:40 <|amethyst> !tell Medar when it unwedged after killing that process, we started getting many (perhaps dozens) of ghost game listings for some users in the lobby 17:18:41 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 17:18:46 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol when it unwedged after killing that process, we started getting many (perhaps dozens) of ghost game listings for some users in the lobby 17:18:47 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 17:19:14 <|amethyst> !tell Medar which went away on reloading the page, but could come back later 17:19:15 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 17:19:18 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol which went away on reloading the page, but could come back later 17:19:19 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 17:20:07 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:20:11 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:29 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:23 -!- sepik121 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:23:56 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:28 -!- StrixVaria has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:29:09 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:31:10 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 17:36:07 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:17 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:59 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:42:05 -!- cjo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:13 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:44:54 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:47:47 -!- Pedjt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:31 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:49:15 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 17:49:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:51:47 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:52:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 17:52:46 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:55:28 -!- alchemist__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:55:50 -!- myr0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56:07 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:59:33 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-2480-g5769dce: Give a better message when the terminal is too small for the layout. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5769dcec22a5 18:02:02 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:05 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:04:51 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 18:08:02 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:10:29 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:10:36 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:11:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:11:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:12:11 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:12:52 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:51 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:23 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:07 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 18:24:09 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:25:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:16 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31:26 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:35 -!- poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:32:32 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:13 -!- Sky2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:37:17 -!- truelife has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:43:20 !tell DracoOmega I'm afraid Searing Ray has a terrible interface: it's too easy to waste the spell, or to rest for longer than its duration, which is quite bad in combat 18:43:21 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 18:53:28 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:33 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:55:57 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:59:02 -!- cjo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:00:22 Heroism description still mentions trap bonus by Arrhythmia 19:03:07 -!- KLANG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:04:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2481-g412eae1: Formatting fixes. 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=412eae1ab464 19:04:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2482-g2cb6485: Purge descs for removed stuff. 10(6 minutes ago, 30 files, 0+ 263-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cb6485c0136 19:04:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2483-gb55b161: Remove a claim that Heroism improves your skill with traps. 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b55b161e8cbe 19:06:53 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:15:01 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:16:15 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:19:06 -!- Pedjt has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:20:38 what's the point of giving permanent hp/mp boosts for different classes? Isn't it supposed to change just the starting kit? 19:21:02 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21:04 Fi/Be get +5hp -3mp compared to most casters, for example 19:21:23 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:21:57 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:28:34 well it doesn't make any difference later on but helps a lot early on presumably 19:34:28 -!- grathtarg has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:34:58 some reason you get different stats 19:36:46 yeah, but stats can be taken on level gain, same for skills 19:37:30 well you gain hp and mp from skills too 19:38:43 thus I wonder if starting hp/mp should be represented by skills 19:39:47 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 19:40:52 sounds reasonable 19:41:38 too bad, the Fighting formula makes it have around 0 effect at XL1: to gain 1hp, you need 8 skill 19:45:17 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71232. (D:14) 19:47:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:02 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:56 -!- anidude has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:30 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:37 Should potion acquirement be a thing? 19:58:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 20:00:14 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00:58 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71754. (D:14) 20:01:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:00 I'd say, too hard to tell what would be useful for the player 20:05:58 just always give heal and cure 20:12:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:07 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:14:59 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71978. (D:14) 20:15:31 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71922. (D:14) 20:15:37 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:46 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71919. (D:14) 20:16:12 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71971. (D:14) 20:16:27 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71903. (D:14) 20:16:46 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71942. (D:14) 20:17:10 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71917. (D:14) 20:17:25 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71901. (D:14) 20:17:49 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71900. (D:14) 20:17:56 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71899. (D:14) 20:18:04 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71899. (D:14) 20:18:14 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 71903. (D:14) 20:18:37 -!- Guest65912 is now known as magicpoints 20:19:14 -!- Thyme has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21:06 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 72490. (D:14) 20:21:24 squid the Scorcher (L15 DjFE) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 72491. (D:14) 20:21:57 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:27 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 20:29:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:29:27 -!- Solace has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:30:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:31:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:36:51 Okay, something very weird is happening. 20:36:57 Slime creatures aren't merging or splitting. 20:41:52 ...of course, this is my fault <_< 20:42:47 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-2484-gc765b08: Allow slime creatures to merge and split again. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c765b08ad951 20:43:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2484-gc765b08 (34) 20:44:30 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:18 Grunt: want to make an ugly thing race? 20:54:27 bh: no! 20:55:02 that settles that 20:56:58 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:03:28 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:05:25 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 21:07:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:14 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:56 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:40 -!- johlstei has quit [Client Quit] 21:16:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 21:17:00 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:30:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:02 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:33:17 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:37:21 but ugly things have such an adorable tile 21:37:25 it would look great with hats too 21:37:29 =P 21:38:37 Tornado description very slightly incorrect by Arrhythmia 21:39:32 <|amethyst> seems like the kind of thing where you'd be encouraged to do boring stuff to get the resistances you want 21:40:08 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:23 <|amethyst> or, at least, it would require careful design to prevent it from being so 21:40:37 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:40:49 * Grunt envisions resistancescumming 21:40:57 <|amethyst> same issue with any kind of random shapeshifter, really 21:41:10 <|amethyst> unless it's driven by XP or something 21:42:21 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 21:44:12 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2484-gc765b08 21:44:52 -!- Xares has quit [Client Quit] 21:47:15 i'm not here to promote gameplay, i'm here to promote ugly things in hats! 21:47:16 heh 21:48:12 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:48:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:49:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:07 |amethyst: a shapeshifter could be made sane if you changed forms every level 21:49:54 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:42 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:59 <|amethyst> bh: yeah 21:54:48 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:54:49 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:55:03 LIKELYLAINIW (L5 VpMo) (D:2) 21:55:10 |amethyst: did cszo just choke? 21:55:11 <|amethyst> bh: that would make sense, and could create interesting decisions (e.g. if you gain rPois in lair but are a little low-level, do you enter Snake now or wait for equipment 21:55:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:00 it might also be neat to give the player a choice of two forms throughout each level 21:57:05 Webtiles server stopped. 21:57:29 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:37 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:58:13 well bh, you're branch will show up now 21:58:19 s/you're/your/ 21:58:20 s/you're/your/ 21:58:24 dammit gruuuuuuuunt 21:58:24 s/gammafunk// 21:58:32 gammafunk: we should dump that branch and have a 'no destruction' branch 21:58:34 Webtiles server started. 21:59:21 it's on grunt 21:59:36 you'd better make no more typos from here on out 21:59:47 s/no/lots/ 21:59:59 <|amethyst> s/lost/& of/ 22:00:08 <|amethyst> meta-s/st/ts/ 22:00:14 s/|amethyst/doh/ 22:00:30 <|amethyst> $simpsons =~ s/doh/annoyed grunt/ 22:00:48 1learn edit amethyst[1] s/doh/*annoyed grunt*/ 22:01:46 I hate to sound like a dev, but I think we need to nerf Gr 22:02:13 Gr needs considerably less natural armour, IMO. 22:02:42 definitely. I'm an EE in leather armour with AC 37 22:02:57 it seems a bit odd to me that they're so much better than tengu; even if you nerf them, I think they'd still be 22:03:10 It's the set of resistances. 22:03:14 yeah 22:03:38 -!- BOOPYPUTT has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:40 on the other hand, tengu are not widely loved; maybe tengu needs a boost 22:04:01 <|amethyst> tengu could get more ev 22:04:56 tengu seem fine, they get speed and a bunch of free ev already 22:04:58 as long is it doesn't lead down the slippery slope of fixing all the badspecies, like felids and centaurs 22:05:10 Centaurs... bad...? 22:05:12 are some species simply allowed to be innately easier than others? 22:05:16 yes. 22:05:19 yes, of course 22:05:19 Mi, HO, Mf 22:06:46 I should probably look at some games played statistics. t seems centaurs are pretty unpopular, but I might be surprised 22:06:52 s/t/It/ 22:06:58 !lg * recent !boring s=crace 22:07:00 561702 games for * (recent !boring): 58404x Demonspawn, 52055x Minotaur, 38047x Deep Elf, 32609x Hill Orc, 32546x Octopode, 28654x High Elf, 28283x Draconian, 26183x Spriggan, 23484x Mummy, 21872x Vampire, 19850x Merfolk, 19775x Naga, 19288x Tengu, 19221x Kobold, 18821x Human, 16417x Ogre, 15795x Troll, 12297x Sludge Elf, 12032x Felid, 11774x Djinni, 10541x Deep Dwarf, 10064x Centaur, 9994x Demigo... 22:07:00 since Grunt is here 22:07:12 That's... surprisingly low. 22:07:16 lots of strong things are unpopular 22:07:23 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:29 see also healers 22:08:30 @Ugly Things/Shapeshifters: Would it always be the same shape on a given floor? 22:08:35 and deep dwarves for that matter 22:09:46 Well, 5-6x less popular than the most popular race isn't too bad 22:12:09 -!- brothergg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:12:11 On the note that brought me here; is stealth's different position on the [m] screen indicative of anything? 22:12:58 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:02 <|amethyst> Nivim: just rearrangement from the removal of traps 22:13:06 maybe we can give Gr a big exp mod? 22:14:24 !lg . ckiller=jessica 22:14:25 12. bh the Ducker (L3 SpAK), worshipper of Lugonu, succumbed to Jessica's poison on D:2 on 2013-03-09 21:33:26, with 63 points after 800 turns and 0:04:01. 22:14:30 !lg * ckiller=jessica 22:14:31 13605. Vesto the Covered (L1 GrFi), blasted by Jessica (wand of magic darts) on D:2 on 2013-07-20 01:22:07, with 30 points after 66 turns and 0:00:14. 22:14:34 !lg * ckiller=jessica max=xl 22:14:34 13605. Kidiri the Ruinous (L9 DsFE), blasted by Jessica (nerve-wracking pain) (kmap: tgw_sif) on D:8 on 2013-05-09 14:09:32, with 3524 points after 12519 turns and 1:15:36. 22:14:53 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:00 L9 death to jessice as FE 22:15:05 that had to be hard on the ego 22:15:31 !lg . max=xl race=or 22:15:31 No games for bh (race=or). 22:15:33 !lg . max=xl race=ho 22:15:34 167. bh the Axe Maniac (L27 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-04-17 07:38:06, with 1448633 points after 87362 turns and 9:04:35. 22:15:40 erm. 22:15:45 !lg . max=xl race=ho -1 22:15:45 167. bh the Axe Maniac (L27 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-04-17 07:38:06, with 1448633 points after 87362 turns and 9:04:35. 22:20:24 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: bye] 22:27:02 bh: Did you graph the winrate somehow? 22:27:07 For gr that is. 22:27:24 Nivim: nope 22:27:29 I'm just playing one 22:27:31 and it's really easy 22:30:27 bh: Easy for you implying that it's way too easy? 22:30:38 Perhaps you're just getting better 22:30:45 gammafunk: haha no 22:30:47 !winrate 22:30:55 isn't that a command? 22:30:59 !won bh 22:30:59 !lg . 22:31:00 bh has won 5 times in 1375 games (0.36%): 1xDjBe 1xHOPr 1xHuAE 1xMfSu 1xSpCK 22:31:00 1375. bh the Digger (L1 GrEE), slain by a hobgoblin (a +0,+1 orcish club) on D:1 on 2013-07-14 23:02:15, with 40 points after 68 turns and 0:00:49. 22:31:30 It would be neat if we could calculate something to replace winrate based on how often each player in the winrate statistic wins games. Crudely accounting for skill (if skilled/unskilled distribution doesn't match). 22:31:35 Well, you are getting better I'm sure 22:33:57 s-z.org log: In response to the result of this; !lg * recent s=race / recent win 22:35:22 gammafunk: whoa! My wins are in chronological order :) 22:35:27 I think 22:40:41 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:08 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:15 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:42:15 -!- Notorion has quit [] 22:45:09 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:46:38 bh: chonological how? 22:47:03 s/chonological/chronological/ 22:47:28 gammafunk: I won SpCK first, then MfSu, HuAE, HOPr, DjBe 22:47:37 I might be remembering wrong, perhaps I won HuAE and then MfSu 22:48:07 You won SpCK, HuAE, MfSu, HOPR, then DjBe according to http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/bh.html 22:48:15 oops, out of order 22:48:58 but still, what do you mean by chronology? 22:49:13 win order and alphabetical order 22:50:05 is there an alphabeticalplayer status 22:54:32 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 22:57:56 how many players are alphabetical? 23:06:29 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:07:53 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:43 ASSERT(in_bounds(src_pos) || src_pos.origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 999 failed. by jedwardh 23:11:13 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Don't push the red button!] 23:16:10 <|amethyst> I think that one's fixed 23:16:25 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.12^{/rock} 23:16:25 07blackcustard * 0.12.2-5-gb0b09c3: Fix a crash related to LRD, noise, and permarock. 10(7 weeks ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0b09c376518 23:17:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:18:41 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:20:37 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:21:02 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:26:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:40 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:21 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:39:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:40:59 -!- cjo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:54 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2484-gc765b08 (34) 23:46:55 -!- cjo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:49:06 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:50:47 -!- doerrpau has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:54:01 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56:13 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:17 -!- eb_ has quit []