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Wanted to mention to the person who knows it (mumra?) that water can now cut off stairs. 01:16:33 Are Hell Knights supposed to be in Lair:2 volcanos? 01:18:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:36 Well I think the one that has that only has one, right 01:24:29 name: Volcano Knight 01:25:05 those aren't as dangerous as, say, a frost giant overall anyway 01:25:43 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:28:28 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:30:29 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:31:24 SwissStopwatch: (1st) It did, but it was in addition to a manticore and komodo dragon, and it stuck in my memory because of all the ! and luck I needed to survive. (2nd) The ice caves all have multiple stages when there's something that dangerous, so you can choose if you want to keep going. 01:33:08 -!- Thyme has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:12 well the volcanoes are much easier in comparison 01:33:32 again, overall, on the scale of dangerous monsters put in 01:33:59 so if what's there is a little harder to run from that's maybe fine 01:34:04 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:26 -!- dupo has quit [] 01:39:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:25 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:02:44 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:14 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:17:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:11 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:40 -!- Ganrao has quit [] 02:25:51 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:35:04 -!- Thyme has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:26 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:39:04 -!- Grivan has quit [] 02:44:09 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:47:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:21 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58:53 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:24 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:02:38 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:21 -!- Thyme has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:05:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:10:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:48 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:45 -!- kait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:15:23 -!- dcss43856 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:13 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:33 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 03:26:20 -!- mason-- has quit [Client Quit] 03:33:48 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:35:31 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:43:05 -!- archaeo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:51:25 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:36 -!- dcss27741 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:32 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:25 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:05 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:20:37 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:41:53 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:45:02 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Óõîæó ÿ îò âàñ (xchat 2.4.5 èëè ñòàðøå)] 04:45:45 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:48:08 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:38 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:56:20 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:51 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:03:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 05:04:39 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:09:50 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:13:06 Nivim: i don't think there have been any level generation changes like that 05:13:22 Nivim: except, we disabled layout_eel_polls 05:13:39 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:15 Nivim: but, do you have a screenshot or a save backup or anything so i can see what you mean about cutting off the stairs, that's a bug if it's the case 05:19:47 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:21:55 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:47 -!- ktgrey has quit [] 05:30:20 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:25 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:35:52 -!- xnoybis has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:02 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:51:07 -!- testsss has quit [Client Quit] 05:55:26 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:00:12 -!- kryft has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:51 -!- xnoybis has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:35:33 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:43:09 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:56:52 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:58 -!- grathtarg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:31:36 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:49 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:44:38 Question, does -10% apply to a Djnni's essence? 07:44:45 that is, -10% MP 07:46:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:32 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:43 -!- riot_ is now known as riot 07:59:20 -!- leStahL has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:00:35 hi 08:02:27 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 08:09:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:21:54 TZer0: are you talking about curses? 08:22:22 wait no 08:22:34 forget i said that, mixing up too many conversations 08:23:58 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:24:03 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:57 -!- Gandroid has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:29 mumra: no, mutations 08:38:37 I had less energetic on my djinni 08:38:45 TZer0: generally anything that affects HP or MP affects essence 08:39:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:13 alefury: that was what I was suspecting 08:49:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:12 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 08:49:52 -!- scummos_ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:55:07 -!- Pedjt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:57:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:09 I'd suspect it would affect it much less than frail would. 08:58:10 Bloaxor: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:58:16 !messages 08:58:16 (1/1) ontoclasm said (2m 9s ago): While nice, that's way too big; it won't fit in the tile 08:58:31 ah, you're hiding in here 08:58:38 "hiding" 08:58:46 >Cannot join22 ##crawl (20You are banned). 08:58:50 haha 08:58:57 no filthy mouths allowed 09:02:33 anyway, yeah, the existing great sword tile goes right up to the edge, so i don't think we can make a longer one 09:02:33 sadly 09:02:33 are overlays really that restricted :( 09:02:33 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:03:50 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:50 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 09:03:51 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 09:05:21 yeah, sorry 09:05:36 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:14 i mean, i could maybe code it so it would work, but there's a problem even if i did: any part of the overlay that extends outside of the 32x32 box fails to get erased when the player moves 09:06:49 you can see this if you give a great sword or halberd or other big weapon to any monster that holds its hands really high 09:06:59 you get little halberd tips all over the place as it moves 09:07:09 <|amethyst> how do the tall panlord tiles avoid that? 09:07:38 they have some sort of hackish special case thing 09:07:48 that updates the tile north of them as well i think? 09:07:58 <|amethyst> hm 09:08:36 maybe it'd be nice to do that for everything in order to remove the halberd-tip thing and allow bigger overlays, but it's beyond my feeble abilities 09:10:09 <|amethyst> wonder if it's handled in one place or two for SDL and webtiles 09:12:58 <|amethyst> (or seven or eight) 09:13:19 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:14:16 Also talking about updating tiles. 09:14:22 webtles would probably need fixing as well yes 09:14:52 It seems like the performance goes to complete shit in places with loads of water or generally tiles that update nearly every redraw. 09:15:02 <|amethyst> I'm still trying to find the relevant code 09:15:07 Bloaxor: you mean on webtiles on firefox? 09:15:09 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:15:12 haha yes 09:15:44 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:15:56 Bloaxor: try chrome; we're aware of that firefox issue but edlothiol can't reproduce it on his OS 09:18:45 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:19:04 -!- Aryth has quit [Client Quit] 09:22:35 Shaijin (L2 DgSk) (D:2) 09:26:18 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:50 <|amethyst> !lm shaijin crash -log 09:26:50 2. Shaijin, XL2 DgSk, T:1177 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Shaijin/crash-Shaijin-20130711-142234.txt 09:27:26 <|amethyst> sigterm in _send_player, so probably a timeout? 09:29:06 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:30:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:21 ontoclasm: Well have a smaller one then. :< https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/DoomknightSmall.png 09:34:06 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 09:34:24 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 09:36:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:29 oh there you are 09:39:36 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/DoomknightSmall.png 09:39:53 just in the meantime 09:44:06 still too big xD 09:44:32 use the greatsword tile; there's no space around it 09:44:47 wait is it too wide 09:44:51 yeah 09:44:54 fuck 09:44:57 xD 09:45:07 welcome to my world 09:48:32 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/Doomknightargh.png 09:48:40 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:50:05 -!- rrrr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:51:04 hah, okay, i think that one fits 09:51:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:43 i'll eagerly be waiting for when the fun stuff begins 09:58:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:06 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:02:57 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 10:03:07 -!- Bolbo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:08:48 -!- Gandroid has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 10:09:40 -!- Gandroid has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:57 -!- broquain1 is now known as broquaint 10:12:35 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:42 -!- Duralumin__ is now known as Duralumin 10:23:04 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:06 -!- quazi has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:29 is there a reason SCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS still exists or has it just been lying around for years? 10:25:35 mumra: though I do see worse canvas performance (in general) in firefox than in chrome, so my guess is it's really just the firefox canvas being slow :( 10:29:16 |amethyst: the handling for large tiles in webtiles basically happens in display.js:92... IIRC it should deal with anything overlapping the tile above, but it doesn't handle overlapping in other directions 10:29:23 <|amethyst> elliott: how else are you going to test obscure situations and scoring? 10:29:37 |amethyst: I suppose 10:30:07 <|amethyst> maybe should be under DEBUG_SCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS 10:30:29 perhaps debug builds should just score all the time 10:30:30 I'm not even sure local tiles needs special handling of large tiles, since it always redraws everything anyway 10:30:44 since presumably nobody is crazy enough to run debug mode on state files they care about 10:31:26 elliott: some folks somehow insist on debugging using regular wizard non-debug builds 10:33:26 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 10:35:02 how often do people need to debug the scoring itself like that in a way that needs wizmode? 10:35:38 Whenever we're tinkering with scoring code? 10:35:45 It might not happen often, but it does happen. 10:36:12 sure, I just meant in terms of non-debug builds 10:40:03 -!- Ganwork has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:17 -!- Gandroid has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 10:40:49 -!- odiv_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:42:13 -!- popx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:04 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Client Quit] 10:50:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:54:48 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:55 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:43 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:05:53 -!- marquess is now known as psuedo 11:07:46 -!- unpaidbi1l has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:00 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:37 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Iceweasel 22.0/20130626043228]] 11:31:27 VolteccerJack the Earth Mage (L18 GrEE) ERROR: range check error (-5 / 17) (D:19) 11:32:11 !lm VolteccerJack crash -log 11:32:12 2. VolteccerJack, XL18 GrEE, T:75198 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/VolteccerJack/crash-VolteccerJack-20130711-163126.txt 11:32:28 ...o_O... 11:33:42 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:34:53 <|amethyst> let me see about getting more of a stack trace 11:36:11 -!- quazi has left ##crawl-dev 11:37:42 <|amethyst> tag_read_level_tiles -> _draw_tiles(0,0) -> tile_draw_map_cell -> _tile_place_cloud -> FixedArray::operator() 11:38:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:06 <|amethyst> err, I mean _draw_tiles' ri is pointing to (0,0) 11:38:57 ... 11:38:58 <|amethyst> unfortunately, most of the values are optimised out 11:39:12 hmm, what gc is _tile_place_cloud receiving 11:39:41 <|amethyst> should be (0,0) 11:39:46 the fixedarray would have to be either env.map_knowledge or env.tile_bk_cloud 11:40:15 <|amethyst> the parameter is optimised out, but as I said that's where the radius_iterator is pointing 11:40:56 ah maybe env.tile_cloud is getting a wrong coord 11:41:48 <|amethyst> tile_bk_cloud is GXM by GYM so it's not that one 11:42:05 <|amethyst> likewise map_knowledge 11:42:35 <|amethyst> so it would have to be env.tile_cloud 11:42:44 <|amethyst> which means you.see_cell(0, 0) ? 11:44:26 <|amethyst> even though it's out of LOS radius 11:46:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:47:01 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:00:48 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:03 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:08:21 -!- slinkies has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:09:37 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:11 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2351-g9b06faf (34) 12:23:33 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:06 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:00 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:09 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:26 -!- tswett has quit [Changing host] 12:41:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 277 seconds] 12:48:51 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:28 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 13:00:36 |amethyst: I wonder how much worse crawl would perform if we asked the compiler not to lose the values of parameters ... 13:19:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:11 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:50 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:49 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:31:06 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:32:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:34:30 -!- yxhuvud2 is now known as yxhuvud 13:37:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:07 -!- steve2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:59 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:49:59 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:22 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 13:57:03 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:59:17 -!- Sky2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:59:37 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:23 Demonspawn mutation message problem around beastly appendage by morik 14:03:16 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:45 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:05:54 -!- dcss30552 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:09 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2352-g42345e1: Doom Knight tile (bloax) 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42345e142827 14:07:09 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2353-g593a438: Exec axe tile 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=593a4386a8f1 14:07:10 -!- dcss78858 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:11 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:46 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:15:56 <|amethyst> SamB: kilobyte did some measurements with -Og 14:16:19 <|amethyst> SamB: I don't remember the numbers, but it wasn't a huge slow-down the way -O0 is 14:16:38 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19:05 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19:44 -!- Sabaki_|2 is now known as Sabaki 14:20:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:26:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:58 -!- Snarwin has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:58 -!- simmarine has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- GuraKKa has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- ncampion has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- Pedjt has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- pelotron has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- Melum has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- stabwound has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- Medra has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- gay has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- dazzle_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:30:59 -!- Comradin has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:00 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:00 -!- marcmagu1 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:00 -!- orionstein has quit [*.net *.split] 14:32:21 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:33:35 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:38 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:25 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:56 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 14:38:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:51 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:11 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Quit: Óõîæó ÿ îò âàñ (xchat 2.4.5 èëè ñòàðøå)] 14:41:23 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:23 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:31 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 14:41:42 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:41:48 -!- stabwound has quit [Changing host] 14:41:48 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:11 -!- TiggA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:17 good evening.. 14:44:17 TiggA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:44:27 !messages 14:44:29 (1/1) mumra said (22h 51m 58s ago): see the compilation instructions in INSTALL.txt, you can actually compile with VS2012 too, although it's best to have msysgit compilation working too 14:44:30 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:24 -!- stabwound has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:45:42 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:28 -!- ColdPie_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:51 -!- tswett_ has quit [Changing host] 14:49:45 got vs2012express, the latest git, but when importing MSVC files it is not buildable - got strawberryperl.. whats wrong with my developplatform? :) 14:49:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:39 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- F-Glex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- Guz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- ColdPie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:41 -!- tw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:41 -!- psuedo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:41 -!- tswett has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:41 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:42 -!- klz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:42 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:42 -!- zkyp has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:08 -!- steve2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:54 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:35 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 14:58:17 -!- tswett_ is now known as tswett 15:02:43 Description for Dig/Wand of Digging still refers to "liquefying" rock by Skrybe 15:03:19 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:09 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:05:57 -!- dcss41361 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:09:23 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:26 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:10 -!- six40sword has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 15:20:16 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 15:22:21 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:28:55 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2354-ga55462b: Restore non-liquefying descs for Dig/wands of digging. 10(49 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a55462b656d2 15:31:46 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:33:29 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:00 how come webtiles on akrasiac has disabled the tutorial? I have a friend who wants to try getting into Crawl and that was where I pointed him :[ 15:34:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:34:17 -!- Vandal is now known as Ganrao 15:34:27 -!- Ganrao has quit [Client Quit] 15:34:35 has webtiles ever supported the tutorial? 15:34:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:34:38 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:45 Yes; cszo's does. 15:34:51 huh 15:34:59 sorry I just missed the response, first I saw was Grunt's 15:35:10 < Zannick> has webtiles ever supported the tutorial? 15:35:12 also wtf is wrong with mIRC defaulting my name to Vandal 15:35:38 well, i did the tutorial in ascii... some 6 years ago 15:36:29 Anyway, you'd probably have to ask rax about the lack of webtiles tutorial on cao. 15:36:34 except, the tutorial is far newer than that... 15:36:35 -!- Vandal is now known as Ganrao 15:36:52 the hints mode is pretty old, though 15:37:16 huh develz.org redirects me to cao 15:37:20 for webtiles 15:37:27 cdo's webtiles no longer exists. 15:38:07 -!- dcss21389 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:38:24 There are several other webtiles servers now though! 15:38:37 cßo (aka cszo), clan, rhf... 15:38:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:39:23 ??cßo 15:39:23 cszo[1/5]: Server in Florida, US: crawl.s-z.org -- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa". In case of DNS problems, use crawl.dobrazupa.org. Also has webtiles at http://crawl.s-z.org/. 15:39:25 \o/ 15:49:53 there's a webtiles tutorial? 15:49:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:50:26 Well, by that, I mean "tutorial mode run in webtiles". 15:50:46 (cszo allows this, for example.) 15:51:09 So do clan and rhf. 15:51:10 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:25 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:54:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:07 I don't think that's disabled on purpose. 15:55:17 -!- Viz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:42 rax: you'd need entries in config.py for it (didn't you copy the cszo config?) 15:58:01 |amethyst set it up, I assume that he copied the cszo config? 15:58:14 if there's an easy change I could make I will just do it? 16:00:00 -!- TiggA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:03:58 rax: it's basically lots of copying and pasting 16:07:10 although, maybe it's better to check with |amethyst, it looks like he uses a different inprogress path for tutorial, I'm not sure if that's necessary 16:08:07 probably depends on how it's set up in DGL 16:10:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:55 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:54 <|amethyst> probably the inprogress dirs should be the same actually 16:25:59 <|amethyst> since the saves are the same 16:27:31 <|amethyst> (or the saves should be made to use different dirs; this is on Mantis I believe) 16:27:31 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 16:31:42 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:13 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:29 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:35:26 -!- lavos has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 16:38:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:18 -!- ophanim1 is now known as ophanim 16:41:21 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:29 -!- TiggA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:04 someone can help me compiling via VS2012express? 16:47:19 -!- RaptorWrex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:47:27 -!- TiggA has quit [Client Quit] 16:53:37 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:51 Crash starting a new game. by moxian 17:00:32 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:03:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:03:21 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:24 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:04:49 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:52 -!- rax has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:07:07 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:10:21 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:22:18 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:37 -!- ncampion has quit [Quit: ncampion] 17:24:45 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:47 rip dwarven hall 17:25:23 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 17:26:20 Dwarven hall? 17:26:41 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=f5a913ea86cab32ab64769f952f49d5c176d48c8 17:26:58 It was removed before it even got added in 17:27:05 clearly the developers just hate dwarves 17:27:43 FR: dwarven hell 17:27:53 read: not existing? 17:28:19 hmm? 17:28:28 you mean we already have a dwarven hell? 17:29:23 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:20 -!- fdel is now known as Nexos 17:45:35 -!- Nexos has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:45:39 -!- Nexos_ is now known as Nexos 17:48:42 -!- MP is now known as Guest46932 17:48:51 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:49:41 -!- Guest46932 is now known as magicpoints 17:49:44 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50:50 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:24 the developers hate dwarves aka the person responsible for most of dwarven hall vanished and the branch languished 17:52:42 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:56:42 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:23 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:07:27 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:24 -!- psuedoquasi has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:09:26 -!- Sky2_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:29 also it was bad to start wiith 18:15:49 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:18:57 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:19:05 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 18:38:01 -!- Arrhythmia has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:16 -!- MaxFrost has quit [] 18:38:52 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:36 -!- Arrhythmia has quit [Client Quit] 18:41:14 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:47:33 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:47:58 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:49:25 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:51:21 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:53:43 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:55:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:48 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:22 -!- Nicksvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:37 what's next on the chopping block-I mean what do you plan on adding next? 19:04:06 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13:01 well for a while we've been trying to work on a way to remove people who ask vague and leading questions in irc channels 19:16:32 wouldn't that be something 19:16:58 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e: Fix suppression blocking armour stealth penalties 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ca5c6ee5417 19:17:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:18 :) 19:23:51 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:12 mumra: I think it's called the banhammer 19:28:32 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:01 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:32:20 so I'd really like to help but most things I've submitted have just sat on mantis for days 19:34:24 it would be nice to know if I should even bother submitting more patches 19:36:14 no idea but politely asking people if they could look at your patches sounds like a better approach than passive-aggressive complaining to me 19:36:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:36:46 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:51 MarvinPA: everytime I've tried nobody has responded. Sorry if I sounded aggressive, I'm only confused. 19:39:30 -!- tcjsavannah_ is now known as tcjsavannah 19:40:06 buppy: Could you list them off real quick? 19:41:00 Nivim: maybe this link will work:https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php?filter=36245 19:41:04 fair enough, i just don't recall seeing anything about them before other than dwants 19:41:14 often people are online but not watching irc or more occupied with their own code and so on 19:43:31 buppy: nice method of listing them :-) 19:44:14 I also posted a bugfix to 7282 which isn't showing up on that page 19:45:35 ah yeah patches are even easier to get lost since they need tags and such, i wonder if there's a way to just filter on mantis by whether there is an attachment 19:46:56 oh i remember moth of nihilism too, i am against adding more "moth of weird effect with millions of special-cases all over the codebase" 19:47:53 by the time I finished it I pretty much came to the same conclusion 19:48:54 there have been suggestions for some kind of portal vault that would disable gods which i think might work better than putting it on a monster (although it'd still probably be pretty messy and awkward to implement i guess) 19:49:18 the patch from 007078 doesn't seem to apply to even the blobs it says it was generated for ... 19:49:40 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:50:09 I had the idea of a consumable that temporary removed god abilities, including their bad conducts 19:50:32 so you could use necromutation under TSO or something silly for a few turns 19:50:52 SamB: did I screw it up? I'm not very experienced with git 19:51:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:51:36 did you edit the patch manually at all? 19:52:12 oh, maybe you weren't even referring to a patch I submitted, heh 19:52:28 oh you mean you just made a list of patches 19:52:42 hehe 19:52:44 whoops 19:54:06 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:54:56 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:19 SamB: did you get it from the link I posted? 19:55:43 yeah 19:57:01 (7316: "Add option to start the game on the skill menu" is already in the game but isn't marked as done.) 19:57:10 I guess the link shows differently for each person. figures since I got the link from my mantis account page 19:57:16 (Also, I couldn't get buppy's link to work for me.) 19:57:26 (It just keeps listing all reports.) 19:57:44 here are the numbers: 0007202, 0007316, 0007315, 0007312, 0007288, 0007247, 0007282 19:59:47 Nivim: you mean the option existed already? how do you do it? 20:01:33 i'm not sure an option to save one keystroke is particularly worthwhile 20:02:22 it might help people like me remember to fix our skills 20:03:37 well if you're using auto training you shouldn't need to that badly, surely (assuming auto training works properly which i have no clue about) 20:04:08 it doesn't train axes enough 20:04:36 hm, that seems like a problem with auto training then surely 20:04:58 does anyone even use auto training? 20:05:17 well considering it is the default setting 20:05:33 it is probably pretty safe to assume the answer to that is yes 20:07:15 anyone who knows what a rcfile is? 20:08:52 uh, me? 20:08:58 ??rcfile 20:08:59 rcfile[1/5]: Accessible via www: CAO: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-{0.7|0.8|0.9|0.10|git|lorcs}/$name.rc CDO: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/{ancient|0.6|0.7|0.8|0.9|0.10|trunk}/$name.rc CSZO: http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-{0.10|0.11|git}/$name.rc 20:09:03 looks like it! 20:09:29 i think most people use auto training when they're learning to play 20:09:36 to go back a few mins 20:10:06 that would also be me 20:10:27 at least I *hope* I'm learning 20:10:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:11:49 ??shopping list 20:11:50 shopping list[1/1]: thing that tells you when you have money to buy a thing. Press $ to review yours. In a shop, select items and then press $ to add them to your list. 20:12:42 auto training actually works okay for, say, mibe 20:13:24 im not really sure about other stuff, but i had to use autotraining with mibe because i was testing hints mode at some point and it doesnt let you access the skill screen until you reach a certain xl 20:13:59 crate also says its pretty okay 20:14:16 dodging vs armor might be a bit iffy, other than that the exp distribution is pretty good 20:14:17 -!- madjake has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:14:30 it's bad at a few things 20:14:37 do you mean I shouldn't be emphasizing my weapon skill like I do? 20:14:45 like, it's hard to train evocations. and it puts too much into stealth if you don't turn it off 20:15:11 by all means emphasize weapon skill if that's your main way to kill things 20:15:39 SamB: its probably good to do that, yes, but maybe you should turn it off at some point if you do that 20:16:00 fighting is generally better than weapon skill once you reach min delay 20:16:14 ??mindelay 20:16:14 min delay[1/2]: Min delay for a melee weapon is min(7, floor(base delay / 2)), or 5 for a sabre. To achieve min delay, you need your weapon skill to be at least max(base delay, 2*base delay - 14), plus 1 if odd, or 14 skill for a sabre. 20:16:32 thats not very clear 20:16:40 ??exec axe 20:16:41 executioners axe[1/2]: You want axes? You want them big? You want to swing your axe into the guts of demons? Do the demons have HUGE GUTS you want to RIP AND TEAR? Then this axe is for you. (Two-Handed, Damage 18, Acc -6, Delay 20; Mindelay Skill 26) 20:16:54 your weapon skill needs to be the same as the base weapon delay, basically 20:17:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:17:04 +1 if uneven, +more if base delay is high 20:17:13 -!- Ruffell has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:17:17 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:17:48 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:18:00 it's +more for quite a lot of the weapons actually worth using though 20:18:08 almost all of them really 20:18:09 sure, yes 20:18:32 well. all the two handed ones anyway 20:18:43 ??quarterstaff 20:18:44 quarterstaff[1/1]: A fast and accurate stick that you hit things with. Damage: 10. Accuracy: 3. Delay: 13. Two-handed. 20:18:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:02 mostly yes, though 20:19:04 like demon whips are the main exception i'm thinking of. possibly also dtridents 20:19:20 mindelay still is a weird game concept that's not at all clear to someone who just plays anyway 20:19:30 it works for scimitars, those are fine 20:19:46 yeah its pretty stupid 20:20:00 galehar wanted to change it 20:20:01 yeah, mindelay took me a while to wrap my head around 20:20:14 i mean, once you know the formula it's not hard. but it's hard to internalize the formula 20:20:21 but its kind of hard to change because its actually quite good for gameplay 20:20:36 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:20:42 yeah, the problem galehar ran into is it's hard to actually make this change but still have the better weapons be better and have the numbers not be ridiculous and still have things be intuitive-ish 20:20:43 and then you've got sabres special cased just to make things silly. 20:20:47 and to make them not suck 20:21:00 at ;east the way I see it 20:21:23 mm, wanderer code is a pain and i can't be bothered to look through it right now but i will have a look at that wanderer patch at some point tomorrow i guess 20:21:45 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:20 I should look at his numbers again because I remember it was kind of awkward and bad but forget the details 20:22:31 good night 20:22:33 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:22:40 i think it was under the assumption that a bunch of other stuff would change too to go with it 20:22:54 not sure though 20:23:07 although that is probably an inevitable requirement, either way 20:23:36 which numbers? 20:24:26 galehar was working on combat math changes to get rid of more magic numbers 20:24:52 IMO add magic squares instead 20:25:08 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:20 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:25:31 It's probably easier to make such a change by messing with base damage at least, sure 20:27:26 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:32 -!- Ruffell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:58 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:05 ??is cszo down 20:29:06 is cszo down[1/1]: There will be network maintenance from 4 AM to 5 AM UTC on both 10 and 11 July. 20:29:10 !time 20:29:11 Time: Jul 12, 2013, 01:29:11 AM, UTC. 20:29:44 -!- MaxFrost has quit [] 20:29:47 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:34:20 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Client Quit] 20:35:56 could we maybe have mindelays for big weapons that aren't all 7 20:36:41 like, a weapon with a mindelay of 15 seems like it might be interesting 20:36:56 Sword of Cerebov 20:38:10 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:50 And I say that because it's an easy example that fits thematically and generally needs a buff. 20:40:22 -!- RichardSimmons has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:40:59 Because while a +6 great sword of flaming*2 isn't bad at all, it hardly fits the theme. 20:41:24 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:41:41 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:42 Since Cerebov is both colossal and generally incredibly well clad. 20:41:48 maybe if the weapon has like 50 base damage 20:41:53 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41:59 so you can ruin gmos 20:42:38 50 Base damage would be utterly absurd. 20:42:51 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:42:55 Because you can already get completely insane damage with enough strength and a gsc. :p 20:42:55 -!- Fhqwhgads___ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 20:42:56 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 20:43:12 You flatten the orb of fire like a pancake!!!! 20:43:21 yes well a mindelay of 1.5 would be pretty bad without some ridiculous number like that 20:43:23 You beat the stone giant like a drum!!!!!! more like 20:43:40 ??gsc 20:43:40 giant spiked club[1/2]: It looks *really* painful. Damage rating: 22 Accuracy rating: -7 Base attack delay: 18, (pierce) damage, never generated with a brand unless it's an artefact or god gift. Can only be wielded by trolls, giants, and ogres. The best twohander in the game. 20:45:03 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:45:11 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:40 But yeah it'd fit because it could be a huge sword from a huge demon lord. 20:45:57 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:34 (and because as often mentioned a +6 greatsword at that point is usually kind of bad) 20:47:20 -!- Cunnus has quit [Client Quit] 20:47:48 -!- MrChuckles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:48:06 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:08 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:50:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:51:08 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:16 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:16 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:14 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:57:26 -!- doerrpau has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:00:39 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:01:11 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:02:23 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 21:02:54 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:43 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:16 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:30 -!- sbanwart has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:09:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:02 -!- |amethyst has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:17 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:12:16 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12:39 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:13 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:39 Bloax: It's going to be one of those swords taller than you are, isn't it? 21:16:47 Bloax: Like it's going to need that more generalized code for handling pandemonium and weapons in the above tile. 21:17:18 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:46 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:55 Well hopefully. :p 21:18:19 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/BigSword.png 21:18:44 that's a pretty big sword all right 21:18:51 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:19:36 that image is pretty phallic 21:19:54 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:06 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 21:23:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:44 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:45 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:35 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:26:50 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:28:57 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:16 -!- rrage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:34:29 buppy: It turns out I was wrong about the .rc file option; I just thought it was an option because I remembered doing _something_ to make it happen. That thing was actually-- 21:34:33 !rc Thurl 21:34:33 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/Thurl.rc 21:34:45 buppy: Search for "skill menu". 21:36:10 -!- Arrhythmia has quit [] 21:36:20 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:39:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:34 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:42:36 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:54 There's netsplit going on here, isn't there? 21:49:07 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53:26 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:34 -!- theofias_ is now known as Pedjt 21:54:48 -!- Silurio has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:45 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:06 -!- doerrpau has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:16 -!- six40sword has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 22:00:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 22:01:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:02:52 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:10 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:07:10 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:08:09 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:14:39 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 22:16:44 -!- GiantOwl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:18:25 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 22:18:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:26:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:27:59 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:00 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:47 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:33:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 22:34:23 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43:00 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 22:51:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 22:55:31 -!- grathtarg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:48 -!- Cunnus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:09:05 -!- |amethys1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:22:23 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:41 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:08 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:28 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 23:29:25 hi 23:29:29 !seen mumra 23:29:29 I last saw mumra at Fri Jul 12 00:13:01 2013 UTC (4h 16m 28s ago) saying 'well for a while we've been trying to work on a way to remove people who ask vague and leading questions in irc channels' on ##crawl-dev. 23:29:48 hm. Guess I missed something good. 23:30:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:30:23 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:47 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32:22 -!- doome has quit [] 23:32:49 who asks vague and leading questions in irc channels? 23:32:58 bh: Was just a quip about one of lightli open-ended questions 23:33:39 !abyss Zannick 23:33:40 bh casts a spell. zannick is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:33:45 sorry, habit 23:34:05 !abyss bh 23:34:06 SamB casts a spell. bh is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:34:36 !abyss A tear in reality 23:34:37 gammafunk casts a spell. a is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:34:41 oh dang 23:35:08 !abyss does_this_work 23:35:09 SamB casts a spell. does_this_work is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:35:19 I didn't think it would work 23:36:00 !abyss henzell's parser 23:36:01 Zannick casts a spell. henzells is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:36:04 boo 23:36:28 !abyss nonbreaking whitespace 23:36:29 Zannick casts a spell. nonbreaking whitespace is devoured by a tear in reality! 23:36:32 aha 23:37:32 it renders as the letters NNB atop SP here 23:37:59 yeah, the nonbreaking space didn't work so i tried narrow no-break space 23:38:08 ie unicode :P 23:38:22 Don't you just love the times when Orc:4 has a bunch of bad shops - and then when the last one is of a decent category, it's a mimic. 23:38:25 yeah I was just telling you how my font renders that character 23:39:58 mine rendered it as the word 'nonbreakingwhitespace' 23:44:14 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:28 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e (34) 23:46:33 gammafunk: I believe that part in the middle between the g and the w is the character, actually 23:47:21 SamB: mine rendered no space that I could discern 23:48:37 SamB: Well, if I paste the word into emacs *scratch*, there's a space, so something is there 23:48:55 It just looks totally unbroken when rendered in my irc client 23:49:03 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49:49 I guess it is 'nonbreaking' whitespace; what is it supposed to look like though? 23:49:58 a very narrow whitespace? 23:50:42 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:53:43 I think your client is probably rendering it okay 23:54:04 well, not sure though 23:54:21 I'm sure unicode.org has details 23:56:48 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:57:29 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:58:49 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev