00:00:35 -!- CreepingCrawled is now known as messages 00:00:42 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.2-10-g0fb3e6e 00:00:50 -!- messages is now known as CreepingCrawled 00:01:36 -!- CreepingCrawled is now known as zelzell 00:01:48 -!- zelzell is now known as CreepingCrawled 00:05:16 Stable (0.12) branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.12.2-10-g0fb3e6e 00:05:51 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:37 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:28 wait nevermind I think they might work now 00:08:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 00:08:30 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.2-10-g0fb3e6e (34) 00:08:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:46 Lightli: did you know that if you start tiles you will get the error messages anyway 00:09:55 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:00 no, but that would require me to use tiles 00:10:27 ??simulacrum 00:10:27 simulacrum[1/5]: Powerful but easy-to-kill temporary ice copies of monsters. These can inflict massive amounts of damage if the player lacks cold resistance. They also leave a cloud of freezing vapor when killed. 00:10:32 you could theoretically have one of each and only use that to see the error messages until kilobyte fixes his bug 00:10:56 read: never 00:11:10 ok, ice cave one is bugged 00:11:21 fixed the problem with the bailey one as it is 00:11:31 might have something to do with "any simulacrum" 00:11:42 s/any// 00:12:13 odd 00:12:15 that didn't fix it 00:13:20 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2244-g236abbe (34) 00:13:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:49 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:15:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:15:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:17:58 sewer portal doesn't work either 00:18:03 must have something to do with the monster selection 00:18:10 ??adder 00:18:11 adder[1/1]: A fast, poisonous creature that might even appear on D:1. Only a spriggan can outrun one. Very dangerous for the first level or two, but a nice chunk of experience after that. Adder meat is clean. 00:18:26 ??gray rat 00:18:27 I don't have a page labeled gray_rat in my learndb. 00:18:38 ok, that's not it then 00:19:39 or it could just be that I forgot to add ENDMAP duh 00:19:53 ok, that checks out now 00:20:44 volcano checks out, wizlab checks out 00:20:56 That just means I have to fix the ice cave and then I'm good to go 00:25:40 Is there a way to make the mapgen not place trees in your vault? 00:25:56 ??ufetebus 00:25:57 I don't have a page labeled ufetebus in my learndb. 00:26:50 ??5 00:26:51 5[1/2]: A minor demon of minimal threat... unless it, say, picked up a pile of stones and you're low level. 00:26:58 ??5 [2] 00:26:58 5[2/2]: Also a key. Waits for 100 turns, or until interrupted. 00:27:09 ??3 00:27:09 3[1/1]: The strongest of the {common demon}s: {sun demon}, {soul eater}, {ice devil}, {smoke demon}, {neqoxec}, {ynoxinul}, {chaos spawn}. 00:27:14 ??ynoxinul 00:27:15 ynoxinul[1/1]: Probably the fifth most dangerous of the common demons; casts painful iron bolts, and if you try to run away summons ufetubi (which move faster than you and are hard to kill - rapid immobilization) 00:27:24 ??ufetubus 00:27:25 ufetubus[1/3]: An unremarkable minor demon. Hits harder than an imp, but doesn't regenerate as quickly and doesn't blink, so much less annoying. Getting mobbed by these can cause a fatal lack of mobility if there are smiters nearby, but otherwise harmless. 00:27:58 AND GOT IT 00:28:07 All the portal vaults work now! 00:30:41 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:30:52 Lightli: flooded_house needs no_rtele_into 00:31:02 since there is a (very small) chance of islands 00:31:48 ??burning bush 00:31:48 burning bush[1/1]: Bush that throws flame, in Zot defence. Sees invisible. Also in sprint IV. Also in a Zot stairs vault. 00:31:49 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:59 ok, only vault that still doesn't work is the burning bush one 00:34:52 how do I make it generate a random scroll 00:34:52 3 - Neqoxecs and especially smoke demons. May also be sun demons, soul eaters and ice devils. 00:34:54 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:25 "any scroll" i think 00:35:51 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:36:02 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:36:11 and done 00:37:27 ??gnoll seregant 00:37:28 I don't have a page labeled gnoll_seregant in my learndb. 00:37:44 -!- cbus_ is now known as cbus 00:37:45 how do I spell that 00:37:49 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38:06 sergeant 00:38:15 gnoll sergeant (10g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 17-36 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 86 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:38:15 %??gnoll sergeant 00:38:18 thanks 00:40:45 wait no, the minifort still doesn't work 00:43:37 hold on let me try something 00:46:46 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2244-g236abbe 00:46:55 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:30 no can't figure out why the vault is breaking 00:53:11 -!- dupo has quit [] 00:58:15 -!- Guest21838 has quit [Quit: Guest21838] 00:59:31 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Client Quit] 01:00:46 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2245-gbf547e5: Various monster tiles (roctavian, 7278) 10(74 minutes ago, 10 files, 9+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf547e58348f 01:00:46 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2246-g5d9582c: GOB and player spiderform tiles (Bloax) 10(59 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d9582c8a678 01:00:46 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2247-ge1c5d43: Orc walls (roctavian, 7278) 10(in the future, 28 files, 34+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1c5d4310ad6 01:06:19 random summoning ideas: 01:06:57 - reduce canine familiar's cap to 1. let summoned canine be permanent and level up. 01:07:11 -!- Ystah has quit [] 01:07:23 - same with dragons: and let dragon level up into extra powerful dragon 01:07:59 -!- Grathtarg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:08:06 - conflate the entire 't' interface into a single command; 't' brings up a targetting reticule, selecting a square says "go there", selecting the player says "follow me", selecting a monster says "attack that" 01:08:35 what about wandering around 01:08:44 but the most commonly used command is tw 01:08:46 please dont ruin the thing where you can just use tw 01:08:55 haha 01:08:55 to not have to select every single monster in the game 01:08:58 elliott: selecting a square does that 01:09:13 yes 01:09:17 but you have to select it 01:09:27 which is why everyone uses tw rather than ta 01:09:48 alternatively you could make summons actually attack things without being told instead of just being useless unless you use tw 01:10:04 well, it's also because if you use ta then your guys will make really bad decisions 01:10:14 yes, this sounds like an interface problem to start with 01:10:15 namely, they will ignore everything but the target you give them 01:10:22 also also what about tt 01:10:30 it 'tw' is the best command to attack people then we have a problem 01:10:39 also also also what about the incredibly important "(and be thought a fool)" easter egg 01:12:32 mumra: to expand on your canine idea, how about summoning spells come in two types 01:12:43 one half of them are permanent, individual allies 01:12:50 if they die, recasting recalls the same one 01:13:12 you mean, recasting creates a new unleveled one 01:13:20 ??ufetubus 01:13:20 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:13:20 ufetubus[1/3]: An unremarkable minor demon. Hits harder than an imp, but doesn't regenerate as quickly and doesn't blink, so much less annoying. Getting mobbed by these can cause a fatal lack of mobility if there are smiters nearby, but otherwise harmless. 01:13:28 well, either way 01:13:43 point is, these make one big tough summon 01:13:56 the other half are specifically popcorn summons 01:14:08 i don't know if there should be too many spells like that; but i think the flavour works best with canines and dragons for some reason 01:14:20 and new TR will be like that 01:14:31 they come in big numbers, have very short durations, and importantly are not controllable 01:14:44 basically they are neutral_good 01:15:39 so you give orders only to your one big buddy, while your horde of imps/whatever do their own thing 01:16:00 it might be better to still have them follow you around, but swarm enemies when they can see them 01:16:09 that's fine too 01:16:15 i'd like to reduce the number of popcorn summons overall anyway 01:16:23 mm 01:16:26 either convert those spells to something more functional or just prune some 01:16:51 gemonic horde could definitely be less... silly 01:17:08 there are a lot of ways to summon demons too 01:17:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 01:20:26 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:24:05 fr summon unique 01:24:18 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:30:04 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:30:39 Twisted resurrection will be your very own personal corpse giant? 01:31:02 That's certainly cooler than a bunch of large abominations. 01:31:20 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:42:26 There are a lot of potential modes that could be helpful for allied AI although they could get to be a lot of work managing in-game 01:43:21 -!- Guest744 has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 01:43:29 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:12 * ProzacElf likes the phrase "personal corpse giant" 01:46:36 anyone here familiar with making subvaults? 01:46:44 I mean using the SUBVAULT: line 01:49:49 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:11 gammafunk, what about it? 01:51:55 Well, I have the line in my main vaults calling the subvaults, I have the subvaults with appropriate tags 01:51:58 but they don't get placed 01:52:08 let me post the level, one sec 01:52:13 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:53 Zaba: http://pastie.org/8112028 01:54:04 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:11 When I make that in &P at forest, the Q and R glyph sections just get grass 01:55:41 hm 01:55:53 the subvaults should probably be allow_dup regardless 01:57:13 oh, that would make sense 01:57:15 I'm also not sure what SUBST: QR : W after the SUBVAULT:s is supposed to achieve 01:58:19 That was me copying from Mu's vault in desperation 01:58:23 he has that line for some reason 01:58:36 well, a line like that anyways 01:58:48 but it doesn't work either with or without that last subst 02:01:18 nor with allow_dup? 02:01:54 well, try making a small vault with nothing but the subvaults and see if it works 02:02:52 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 02:05:09 yeah, no go with allow_dup, but I'll try the subvault as standalone 02:08:59 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:51 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:50 yeah, if I add orient and depth lines to the subvaults, they place fine with &P 02:14:23 but I always get grass when they're placed in the main vault 02:18:38 no, I mean, a really small vault that does nothing but place subvaults 02:18:51 and compare it to working subvault examples 02:19:54 Yeah, I'll see if I can diagnose it that way 02:20:11 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:12 -!- mason--- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:18 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:53 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:30:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:36:25 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:40:16 Everything FINALLY works now 02:43:18 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56:07 Surr (L12 OgSk) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 34 failed. 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[Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:27:09 -!- whale has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:27:25 -!- riot_ is now known as riot 10:31:23 so hey, good advice yesterday about starting with the bug tracker 10:31:47 anyone want to give me some gentle guidance though on setting up a development environment around Crawl? 10:32:13 I need to leave in about three minutes, but I might be able to answer some basic questions really quickly. 10:32:18 What platform are you on? 10:32:36 Windows, but I was thinking abuot trying this Cloud9 web based IDE 10:33:31 Crawl is on github, right? 10:33:40 gitorious. 10:33:45 hmm 10:33:47 if only 10:34:13 what is the repository URL? 10:34:19 I might be able to import it anyway 10:34:38 Look here: https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/ 10:34:45 (that has all the repo URLs you could need) 10:34:51 ah thanks 10:35:08 -!- Porost has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:35:09 ...and my three minutes are up <_< 10:35:14 see you 10:35:36 -!- Porost has quit [Client Quit] 10:35:57 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I can't send a clone request to Gitorious without authing? 10:36:36 buppy: I can work on it from whatever device I'm on at the moment 10:36:37 -!- Guest62734 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:36:51 without cloning a game to my work computer XD 10:37:21 That actually sounds rather practical. 10:37:31 isn't ssh + vim a thing? 10:37:42 I thought it was ssh + emacs 10:38:17 I thought it was ssh + nano (lol noob here) 10:39:03 buppy that is good though, this is what I came in here for 10:39:07 increased awareness 10:39:19 you'll have a lot easier time developing on a unix than on windows 10:39:29 yeah, I figured as much 10:39:33 -!- Ero is now known as Eronarn 10:39:52 and vim is worth learning. it's everywhere 10:40:25 -!- orost is now known as Porost 10:40:25 is vim the one that has color coding support for Python built in? 10:41:04 <|amethyst> vim, emacs, and nano all do 10:41:04 vim installations tend to come with syntax highlighting for python if that's what you mean... 10:41:11 most editors do these days. depends on your setup 10:41:15 yeah 10:41:57 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:42:03 ok so I have one computer worth doing anything serious on 10:42:27 -!- dcss86825 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:42:36 to get a unix-like environment should I just virtual box up some ubuntu or freeBSD? 10:42:53 why would you use ubuntu 10:43:03 see my reference to nano 10:43:04 when you can go straight to the source and use Debian 10:43:12 ubuntu is better than mingw at least 10:43:20 yeah, use debian 10:43:20 true ;-) 10:43:25 ok so I can VB Debian? 10:43:30 sounds like a good place to start 10:45:56 debian's great if you want relatively hassle-free setup. if you want to jump in to linux head-first, i suggest arch linux (i use arch on all my systems) 10:46:11 I've heard arch is cryptic as heck 10:46:41 I have some limited experience with FreeBSD and Fedora primarily 10:46:49 command line that is 10:47:39 brb VirtualBox resetting my web stuff 10:47:56 -!- Ganrao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:11 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:16 -!- StahLSigma has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:30 ok so what is the difference between Debian and Arch? and do you guys do all your crawl dev command line? 10:48:35 or do you use Eclipse ? 10:48:46 -!- Vandal is now known as Ganrao 10:48:59 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:49:08 I haven't done much, but I just use arch + vim + make 10:50:06 and all the other command line tools 10:50:24 should I bother making my VM 64 bit? 10:50:33 or would that just overcomplicate some things? 10:51:23 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:05 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 10:57:01 how much RAM do you think the VM would need for Crawl dev? 1 gb enough? 10:59:33 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Iceweasel 22.0/20130626043228]] 11:02:20 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:02 how much memory do you have total? 11:04:20 if you have more than 4GB of RAM in your computer just give the VM 2GB 11:05:05 I have a 2GB windows virtual machine and I can run it and still have 3 GB of free memory left over from 8 total. :P 11:05:46 I have 8gb too, so sure 11:05:53 so 32 bit arch then 11:05:54 completely free memory, mind you. if I counted cache memory it'd probably be closer to 5-6 GB free. 11:07:07 it might actually be better to run a 64-bit vm 11:07:34 I suspect a 64-bit processor is better at virtualizing its native architecture 11:07:45 though I can't say for sure. it might not matter 11:09:09 what is i686? 11:09:16 32-bit 11:09:18 x86_64 is perfectly happy virtualizing i386 11:10:56 what do you recommend as a torrent client these days in Windows? utorrent seems to have become very commercialized 11:11:30 it was / is my go to, but I'm not super happy with the direction it has taken 11:11:41 is transmission available for windows? 11:11:46 I'll go check 11:11:51 it's hands down the best client I've found :P 11:12:17 it has an unofficial windows build 11:12:20 Ganrao: qBittorrent? 11:12:24 I tested different clients on my qnap NAS box. rtorrent used like 40% CPU... transmission used 5 :P 11:12:47 does Linux have something like Peerblock for it? 11:12:48 -!- dcss43960 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:53 does it support the DHT 11:13:18 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:14:26 not that I need to hide what I'm doing in relation to Crawl, just curious 11:14:33 currently I have a neat little gnome shell extension that allows me to see the transmission daemon running on my storage server. it works quite well 11:18:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:36 huh transmission has a built in blocklist 11:20:40 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:21:08 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Client Quit] 11:22:36 well 11:22:37 support for one 11:25:06 Fix do_shaft: allow it to work anywhere. by pubby 11:26:46 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:48 Chousuke this Transmission proggy is exactly the kind of thing I want 11:26:50 hah. pretty sure I triggered that one last night 11:28:04 fast too 11:28:19 it capped out my speed on Arch's dl 11:28:22 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:28:23 Ganrao: heh. Transmission is good enough that it wouldn't matter to me at all if all other torrent clients just disappeared 11:29:14 it has a curses interface as well 11:29:30 it has a whole bunch of different interfaces 11:29:46 you can even control it from an android phone IIRC 11:30:09 Toggle autopickup upon gaining sinv from antennae 3 by pubby 11:30:41 that sounds kind-of reasonable 11:30:51 yeah; it's just that ssh works no matter how many hurdles you have on the way 11:31:07 the "Toggle autopickup" thing 11:31:56 too many places still have no working IPv6, and IPv4 means barriers to direct connections everywhere 11:32:06 yeah 11:32:46 ssh can handle stopping over at your home router or whatever 11:35:18 -!- Nightbeer is now known as Ladykiller69 11:36:08 was bugfix patch in 7282 noticed? I'm not familiar yet with how mantis works 11:42:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:42:10 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/abom/Progression3.png 11:42:13 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:43:25 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:44:03 -!- tswett_ is now known as tswett 11:44:05 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:47:27 -!- santiago__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:05 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:55:25 -!- Ganrao has quit [] 11:57:37 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 11:59:54 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:00:11 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 12:00:29 Bloax: they look good _but_ i do think that only the final stage should be taller than 1 tile 12:00:43 The final stage? 12:00:48 yeah "towering" 12:00:55 i called it towering because it's tall 12:01:03 The one to the far right is the final one. 12:01:08 i know 12:01:11 It's roughly 1.5 tiles. 12:01:14 i know 12:01:17 i can see that 12:01:22 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:30 but the second-to-last stage is also taller than 1 tile 12:02:06 hmm 12:02:20 i'll see how this works anyway 12:03:17 thing is i didn't want to _replace_ the existing abom tiles 12:03:44 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 12:03:47 do you still not want to? 12:04:04 -!- kunwon1 is now known as GhostInZSH 12:04:05 i think they're good tiles 12:05:05 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:09:10 -!- Eldarby_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:13:07 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 12:16:08 Bloax: basically i have two options; either the old aboms go into unused and we go with a consistent style like this instead of currently how they're totally random 12:16:24 Well I'm thinking of a couple of abomination variants. 12:16:30 Chosen randomly as it starts to build up. 12:16:42 yes well that's the current case for Large aboms 12:18:43 i'm not sure where the new sizes should fit into the progression 12:19:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2247-ge1c5d43 (34) 12:20:08 the weird thing i sone of the old small abom tiles was actually really as big as the large abom tiles; it just looks more feeble, whereas the large ones are more horrific and nasty 12:23:30 i am also wondering if we should actually use these new tiles for meatsprint, they are crying out "fleshlord" to me 12:24:01 weee... installing Arch core on my VM now 12:24:06 -!- Vandal is now known as Ganrao 12:24:36 maybe one day I'll understand what I did with all that mounting business 12:24:36 Ganrao: you'll have a lot easier time developing on a unix than on windows 12:24:59 ^ i'm not sure what that statement was based on but i tend to disgree with it 12:25:03 oh 12:25:10 was gonna say I was not sure why you were pasting that 12:25:11 i develop on windows using Visual Studio 12:25:27 I don't have a full VS license any more.. I guess I could get one from the school 12:25:30 and if you're generally a windows user, you'll probably find that easier than learning vim 12:25:34 you can use VS Express 12:25:39 well mumra I really want to become a linux guy 12:25:48 I don't like my dependence on Windows / MS 12:25:58 yeah, if you want to learn unix this is probably a good way to do it ;) 12:26:16 at least a good way to start 12:27:00 also without VS, windows dev is still easy; msysgit installs everything you need to build 12:27:05 you won't likely learn *too* many dark corners of unix in Crawl; most of our dark corners are of our own construction ... 12:27:17 mumra: but the debugging 12:27:22 ugh 12:27:35 SamB_: well yeah that's what VS is for :P 12:27:45 ok there we go 12:27:52 Arch should be able to run without the .iso now 12:28:22 did Debian go wrong? 12:28:43 no, I was just convinced to try Arch 12:30:18 I don't think we have instructions for developing on Arch 12:30:37 oh? I didn't know we had instructions for developing on Debian, haha 12:30:39 mumra: literally "make" to build crawl. maybe install some packages if it complains 12:30:57 where are these Debian instructions? 12:31:00 I prefer to use the real packages rather than contribs 12:31:15 INSTALL.txt 12:31:19 ColdPie: in windows,1) install msysgit; 2) "make" 12:31:26 well, really they're build instructions 12:31:27 ColdPie: that isn't exactly taxing 12:31:45 ColdPie: and since Ganrao had to install a linux VM, it would have been considerably simpler _in his situation_ 12:31:48 mumra: isn't there some "activate git modules" step 12:31:51 -!- GhostInZSH is now known as kunwon1 12:32:02 SamB_: yes, but ColdPie also omitted cloning instructions 12:33:09 ColdPie: my point is that unix development isn't "a lot easier", it's "slightly easier" _if_ you're used to unix 12:33:12 see on Debian and friends we have some pretty exact instructions for how to install everything you need to build Crawl 12:33:26 where are these instructions? 12:33:36 well, msysgit is basically unix, isn't it? 12:33:43 INSTALL.txt 12:33:45 ColdPie: and actually, i find ease of development is more tied to what IDE i'm using that what OS i'm on ;) 12:33:51 "Prerequisites (Debian):" 12:34:03 then paste the apt-get command line into your terminal 12:34:08 SamB is there a url to this INSTALL.txt? 12:34:12 msysgit pretends to be someting linuxish. that pretense has strict limits because windows doesn't support a number of things 12:34:14 ColdPie: well it's a unix-like command line / build environment 12:34:36 i don't know technically how far the similarities run 12:34:37 cygwin pretends harder but still sometimes has trouble fork()ing 12:35:14 since to fork it has to load EVERYTHING in the same places as before 12:36:05 Ganrao: I suppose so but I usually just read it from my crawl working-copy 12:36:05 -!- tJener_ is now known as tJener 12:36:34 holy crap this has over 80 branches? @_@ 12:36:45 are some of them just old code that is being preserved? 12:37:14 most of them I think 12:38:45 hmm 12:38:56 that number isn't surprising for a project this active and this age 12:39:05 well now it looks like I can load crawl.git into Cloud9 IDE 12:39:17 I guess I was not using the right URL before 12:39:43 i'm interested to know if you can get it compiling there 12:39:53 they have some kind of SSH workspace 12:40:00 it would need that probably, right? 12:40:01 of course, sometimes someone polishes off some of the somewhat old unmerged code 12:40:38 yes, and some of it is brand new somewhat unpolished unmerged code! 12:41:02 I meant to get the dust off it and stuff 12:41:50 Ganrao: INSTALL.txt is in the crawl-ref directory btw 12:41:51 -!- nickajeg1in has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:41:55 ok, thanks 12:42:10 so this Cloud 9 IDE thing will let you remote into your own box to dev 12:42:13 that is pretty neat 12:42:31 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 12:42:57 that sounds kind of scary 12:43:02 well it is via SSH 12:43:05 or does that not help? 12:43:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:31 I meant letting some IDE on the intarweb log into your box sounds a bit scary 12:43:40 especially with your own account 12:43:50 also it failed to let me import the git project ;/ 12:43:53 in a normal workspace 12:44:04 looks like it really, really wants github 12:45:57 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:49 what does the "export" command do in linux? like export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 12:55:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:56:07 I've used export when setting Python paths before too 12:57:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:59:45 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:46 the shell has the concept of local variables (set only in that shell) and an environment (exported to subprocesses) 13:00:06 export tags a variable as being part of the environment instead of just local to the shell 13:00:31 ahh 13:00:46 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:00:47 so like I could open another bash and my Py path would be retained 13:01:15 I am disappointed that gargoyle's abbreviation isn't gg 13:01:20 only if you opened it from that shell 13:01:27 envuronment propagates down, not up or sideways 13:01:29 I mean if I exported it 13:01:42 right? 13:01:43 no 13:01:54 oooh wait I think I get you 13:01:56 environment propagates *down* 13:02:02 so if I open another bash from within a bash 13:02:16 then the new one would get it? 13:02:29 if you start a program in that shell, if not exported it won't be seen, if exported it will be seen. if started from your window manager, it won't be seen because the window manager's environment can't be changed by a subshell 13:02:46 this is why I need to learn Linux 13:03:10 environment variables actually happen in Windows too 13:03:28 just FYI 13:03:40 yeah, I've dev'd some Python in Windows as well 13:03:47 yes, but they work somewhat differently 13:03:53 I just didn't have any visible shells to manage 13:04:09 geekosaur: do they? 13:04:26 maybe something about case? 13:04:36 there's the bit where there's initialization from the registry, plus I think CMD.EXE treats all variables as "exported" in the Unix shell sense 13:08:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:08:49 these password checkers are bad 13:09:27 not to mention where running something that is not actually a Windows executable does an implicit `start` which means the actual launch is done by the Windows GUI and doesn't see your local environment 13:09:32 I forget where I read this, but supposedly just making your password out of 3 or more unrelated words is better than any amount of special characters and upper / lowercase caps 13:09:45 yes and no 13:09:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:31 (mostly no, these days; that was based on the assumption that you gained entropy, but if you look at the entropy from the word level instead of character it's actually lower) 13:10:57 what do you mean by that? 13:11:22 (meaning, if an attacker uses an attack based on characters then the password will be harder, but if it uses a dictionary of words it is likely to be much easier) 13:11:37 right 13:12:06 but even if they did it based on words, if you used 5 words that would be pretty tough, wouldn't it? 13:12:49 words in the dictionary ^ 5 ? 13:13:25 harder yes 13:13:46 using words from multiple languages probably makes it even more fun 13:13:57 if not impossible 13:14:03 -!- mason- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:14:05 nothing is impossible 13:14:10 it just takes a long time 13:14:15 I mean if their dictionaries didn't have foreign words too 13:14:32 well even if they do have foreign words that's just a lot more to check 13:14:39 yup 13:15:08 can you hack my archlinux VM if I tell you the root password is "kittensuselinuxtoo" ? 13:15:21 :3 13:15:47 aren't you supposed to use punctuation and casing and spaces 13:16:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:16:17 I guess if I was trying to make it REALLY REALLY hard for someone to find out my super secret Crawl code 13:16:23 point 13:21:02 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:33 just rely on muscle memory 13:21:38 you can use extremely complex passwords that way 13:25:42 relevant-ish: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/how-crackers-make-minced-meat-out-of-your-passwords/ 13:26:05 (local DB of hashes instead of polling a live system, but demonstrates how effective dictionary attacks can be) 13:26:58 heh that is cool, configured my sound to work through the VM in a command line for the first time ever :) 13:28:06 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:30:42 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:33:34 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:56 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:26 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:54 -!- phlegm has quit [Client Quit] 13:43:11 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 13:43:21 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:40 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43:48 If anyone familiar with subvaults can take a look at 0007309 and tell me why gammafunk_forest_water_palace isn't properly placing its subvaults, I'd appreciate it 13:45:49 just a guess, but do the vaults have DEPTH: Forest? 13:46:28 I don't know if this has changed since I last did this stuff, but iirc it used to be that subvaults needed this (vaults with no depth setting aren't valid for anywhere) 13:46:38 I'm talking about the subvaults themselves 13:46:41 evilmike: I make a test vault that calls the two subvaults, which has Depth:Forest, and it worked 13:47:25 And I think even the test vault didn't work if I tried to put DEPTH on the subvaults 13:47:31 let me verify that though 13:48:44 Not sure what it is, then 13:49:49 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:30 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:57:47 is there some kind of guide to linux etiquitte when it comes to how you use your directory structure? 13:58:01 like how do I know where I "should" put my git clone? 13:58:46 Ganrao: wherever you want it 13:59:01 ./git/ is a good place i guess? 13:59:08 so putting it in /mycrawlclone is fine? 13:59:10 Ganrao: you can make a crawl subdir off of ~, or use 'docs' or 'Documents' and put the repo dir in there 13:59:12 yes 13:59:26 I don't want some Linux guy to come yell at me later :| 13:59:35 etiquette is only a thing when the computer is shared by other people, in that case it's up to whoever owns it, really 13:59:43 Ganrao: You probably don't want to put the repo dir directly in $HOME, but you can do that if you like 13:59:48 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 13:59:49 otherwise, no one has the right to yell at you for using your computer the way you want 14:00:15 fwiw I used to have crawl in ~/games/crawl I think 14:00:18 :) 14:00:30 Yeah, I do something similar to what evilmike said 14:00:41 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:59 cloning now~ weeeee 14:01:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:01:29 evilmike: If I give the subvaults both depth and orient float, they still correctly place in my test vault, and they still don't get placed in my main vault 14:01:46 that's strange. Sorry, I'm not sure what the cause is, someone here will know though 14:02:00 I was never very good with subvaults 14:02:03 But I can't add just depth to the subvaults without orient; the game crashes when I try to place the test vault 14:06:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:17 Ganrao: anywhere inside /home/ganrao (or whatever your username is) is fine 14:24:59 Illaniel (L26 HESk) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 614: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D:26) 14:25:54 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 14:26:06 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 14:29:25 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:36:45 -!- six40sword has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 14:36:45 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:25 ug, think I figured out what the subvault problem is, but not sure if there's a fix that doesn't involve duplicating my subvaults 14:42:42 basically you can't place the subvault twice like I've done 14:42:56 the subvault place gets confused; it needs one place to put it 14:44:05 But I need my subvaults to be place in 'pairs' so that if e.g. the column subvault glyph is chosen, the same column subvault is placed on the opposite location of the map 14:48:22 so when I cloned the git repository I only cloned the main branch? 14:55:20 it seems Debian "make" and Arch "make" are not quite the same 14:55:49 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:56:04 <|amethyst> !tell DracoOmega water elemental drowning deaths could probably use some additional killer information 14:56:05 |amethyst: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 14:56:21 or maybe they are, nevermind 14:57:14 <|amethyst> !tell DracoOmega !lg neil ktype=drowned shows just ktype=drowned ckiller=water and nothing else 14:57:15 |amethyst: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 14:57:27 <|amethyst> !tell DracoOmega !lg neil ktype=drowned 3 that is 14:57:28 |amethyst: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 14:59:40 cool, fixed the subvault problem 15:01:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:08:49 -!- AnkhMorporkian has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:13:16 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:16:57 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:20:41 -!- Twinge has quit [] 15:24:00 BTW, if you want ##crawl to be readable, there's a patch for an irssi bug on http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=275 15:24:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:37 with it fixed, you can use whole-line highlights for bot messages, and have them not disrupt reading actual conversations 15:24:55 nice 15:25:27 now all we need is another channel to hide the bot chatter in entirely! 15:26:04 Ganrao: pretty often the conversation is about someone's splat and/or game 15:26:58 I was kidding kb :) 15:28:25 your solution, splitting that into two windows, partially works 15:28:45 so it's not bad, just not without downsides 15:29:11 -!- pat__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:29:15 it is like getting rid of victory dancing, there was no perfect solution 15:29:28 so now we can level stealth by charging into a pack of orcs and swinging and axe all around us :3 15:29:41 master ninja++ 15:33:19 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:34:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:34:52 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 15:37:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:37:25 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:26 !tell dpeg You can disregard my last two messages - I PM'd jpeg on the Tavern and she said she was still working on it. 15:39:27 reaver: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 15:45:14 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:50 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:21 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:46:33 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 15:50:25 -!- reaver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:51:17 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:43 -!- bhaak` is now known as bhaak 15:58:50 -!- bhaak is now known as bhaak` 15:59:02 -!- bhaak` is now known as bhaak 15:59:12 -!- bhaak is now known as Guest27934 16:00:39 -!- ophanim1 is now known as ophanim 16:01:04 -!- Guest27934 is now known as bhaak` 16:05:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:07:10 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 16:10:54 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:13:14 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:15:49 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:19:54 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:21:11 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:24:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:28:10 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:29:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:16 -!- bhaak` is now known as bhaak 16:34:00 -!- rrage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:34:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:42:51 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:45:09 why does dragon form meld your hat again 16:45:17 that seems kind of pointless 16:45:19 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:50:33 -!- AnkhMorporkian has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:32 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:00 i don't think a helmet would fit on a dragon's head 16:52:28 It was a sad day, in my opinion, when spiders lost the ability to wear hats :P 16:54:53 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:36 shallow/deep water & rock wall appears to be green crystal by LiquidKrystal 16:58:59 let me guess, the crystal cavern? 16:59:29 ... oh so surprised. Not. 16:59:40 why can't spiders wear hats 16:59:55 %git :/spider.*hat 17:00:15 07kilobyte * 0.13-a0-1700-g6f97685: Do extra Airstrike damage to floating djinn. 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f9768521cd0 17:00:15 -!- ctair has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:00 1. size, 2. head shape (eyes, etc), 3. sanity 17:02:21 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:06:38 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:04 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:14:11 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 17:16:51 Mu_: I said hat, not helmet. 17:16:59 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:54 -!- dcss865 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:21:11 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:03 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 17:22:28 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:14 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:23 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:18 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:34:28 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:43:01 -!- Erratic_Magenta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:05 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:23 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 17:47:21 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2248-g5c148d9: Change lab floor tile weights 10(in the future, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c148d925d05 17:52:33 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 17:54:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:59 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2249-g2e4c7b9: Move shield_blocks from monster+player to actor. 10(12 hours ago, 4 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e4c7b943fb1 17:58:59 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2250-gb3314a1: Mark Delayed Fireball as temp-useless when it's on. 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3314a156ea1 17:58:59 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2251-ga8198da: Update a .pl desc for book of the Sky. 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8198daa8a5e 17:58:59 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2252-g428ed1d: Make sure to reset all fields of struct monster. 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=428ed1d0dc58 17:58:59 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2253-gd2330ea: Make "make test" work around a severe race condition wrt --builddb. 10(69 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2330eac1631 17:59:06 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:01:40 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:09 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:52 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:00 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:57 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:58 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:00 !messages 18:07:01 (1/2) gammafunk said (2h 37m 51s ago): By the way, the 260 commits you saw for my jump_attack branch were mostly just merges from master to stay up to date; the actual patch is only about 8 commits (but still 100k) 18:07:06 !messages 18:07:07 (1/1) gammafunk said (2h 37m 27s ago): Would appreciate it if you have time to take a look, but no worries if not 18:07:15 !seen wensley 18:07:15 I last saw Wensley at Fri Jul 5 12:57:10 2013 UTC (10h 10m 5s ago) joining the channel. 18:10:32 !seen dpeg 18:10:33 I last saw dpeg at Fri Jun 28 16:20:11 2013 UTC (1w 6h 50m 21s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 18:10:51 !seen kilobyte 18:10:51 I last saw kilobyte at Fri Jul 5 22:01:00 2013 UTC (1h 9m 51s ago) saying '1. size, 2. head shape (eyes, etc), 3. sanity' on ##crawl-dev. 18:11:48 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:53 meow? 18:12:42 SamB_: Spiders totally can wear hats: http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/190494/80498317.jpg 18:13:06 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:37 DracoOmega: thanks to this evidence, can we give that ability back? 18:14:01 Haha 18:14:15 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:33 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:48 DracoOmega: are you behind spectral weapons? Crawl is scarcely recognizable! :) 18:15:05 No, that's not my doing 18:15:07 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:13 isn't that a koala's doing or something 18:15:19 Haha 18:15:27 Well, lainw did the initial work, I believe 18:15:30 And he did some other stuff 18:15:40 And then mumra did a couple things when he merged them, possibly? 18:16:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:33 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:56 bh: unrecognisable how ?? 18:21:20 mumra: I'm spectating games and seeing all sorts of new spells. It's awesome! 18:21:41 ahh heh 18:22:29 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:00 ??greatplayers 18:23:01 greatplayers[1/2]: Players who have won every currently available to play race. Lifetime membership once you get in! 18:23:07 ??greatplayers[2] 18:23:08 greatplayers[2/2]: To see your unfinished races, check "!greatplayer yourname". 18:23:14 !greatplayer bh 18:23:18 Unwon species for bh: Centaur, Deep Dwarf, Deep Elf, Demigod, Demonspawn, Draconian, Felid, Gargoyle, Ghoul, Halfling, High Elf, Kobold, Lava Orc, Minotaur, Mummy, Naga, Octopode, Ogre, Tengu, Troll, Vampire 18:26:09 !greatplayer greatplayer 18:26:12 Unwon species for greatplayer: Centaur, Deep Dwarf, Deep Elf, Demigod, Demonspawn, Djinni, Draconian, Felid, Gargoyle, Ghoul, Halfling, High Elf, Hill Orc, Human, Kobold, Lava Orc, Merfolk, Minotaur, Mummy, Naga, Octopode, Ogre, Spriggan, Tengu, Troll, Vampire 18:26:26 what a loser 18:27:35 !greatplayer cheibrodos 18:27:38 Unwon species for cheibrodos: Djinni, Gargoyle, Lava Orc 18:31:51 :C greatplayer 18:32:10 i'm not even a goodplayer yet, i suck 18:32:34 03pubby 07* 0.13-a0-2254-g589df97: Turn autopickup back on when gaining antennae 3. 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=589df97ad743 18:33:06 I'm both a "goodplayer" (purely on a technicality) and a very strong awfulplayer 18:33:22 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:33:36 !killsby giant newt 18:33:36 8092 games for * (ckiller='giant newt'): 68x KiloByte, 63x Camkitsune, 48x phyphor, 40x heteroy, 36x dscm, 34x BirdoPrey, 33x m1nced, 29x TGW, 28x nogglebeak, 28x Sebi, 28x LogicNinja, 26x Tenaya, 26x nht, 26x nyaakitty, 25x Neil, 25x Insomniak, 24x crawlie, 24x poop, 24x Elynae, 23x 78291, 23x mafalda, 23x mr0t, 23x Archibald, 22x Xiberia, 22x pigah, 20x Ragdoll, 20x firemonkey, 20x jejorda2, 20x... 18:33:58 I'm that pathethic... 18:34:12 ??goodplayer 18:34:12 goodplayers[1/1]: 10 or more wins. 18:34:18 ??awfulplayer 18:34:19 awfulplayers[1/2]: Membership in the awfulplayers list is strictly voluntary, but only open to those with over 1000 games and a win rate under 1%. 18:34:26 !lg bh 18:34:26 1371. bh the Cudgeler (L5 GrWr), mangled by a worm on D:3 (nrook_mini_vaults) on 2013-07-05 04:44:01, with 261 points after 1813 turns and 0:05:41. 18:34:34 !awfulplayer 18:34:35 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:34:36 sweet, I'm in 18:34:45 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 18:34:59 I am an unprovably greaterplayer :P 18:35:07 ??greatestplayer 18:35:07 greatestplayers[1/1]: Players who have won every currently available to play combo. Lifetime membership once you get in! 18:35:32 uh. Is anyone in that? 18:35:35 No 18:35:44 It's more or less a joke :P 18:36:08 ??greaterestplayers 18:36:08 greaterestplayers[1/1]: Players who have won every currently available to play combo as well as at least one combo that hasn't yet existed in a stable release. 18:36:24 Ha 18:36:32 Well, lots of those to choose from these days! 18:36:42 ??greatesterplayers 18:36:43 greatesterplayers[1/1]: Players who have done all the combos in a streak. 18:36:47 Bahahahaha 18:36:58 let's take it even further and require players to get all titles with all combos 18:37:04 Haha, wow 18:37:05 !lg elliptic win x=cdist(char) 18:37:05 490 games for elliptic (win): cdist(char)=394 18:37:44 !lg N78291 win x=cdist(char) 18:37:44 419 games for N78291 (win): cdist(char)=335 18:38:38 -!- radiosilence has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:45 what's the point in greaterest? It mixes a massive accomplishment with basically "play trunk". 18:40:54 %whereis cheibrodos 18:40:55 Cheibrodos the Impaler (L14 CeSk), a worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, saved on Orc:4 on 2013-07-05 after 27658 turns. 18:40:59 I doubt there's a point :P 18:41:06 kilobyte: The point of all of them is to be funny, and no more 18:41:06 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:17 kilobyte: Well, all the insane ones, anyway 18:41:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:25 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:41:26 Greaterplayer and such actually make some kind of sense 18:41:26 heck, even I got FePa, which hasn't yet existed in a stable release (and most likely won't ever) 18:41:55 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 18:42:03 personally I think the end of greatesterer should be "win all combos in all versions" 18:42:16 what was Pa? 18:42:20 paladin 18:42:27 tso start 18:42:37 long blades 18:42:52 ??pa 18:42:53 poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures, the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. Used by naga casters and draconian/deep elf annihilators, as well as Aizul, Green Deaths and Gloorx Vloq. 18:42:58 hmph 18:43:53 oh, right 18:44:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:44:37 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:47:17 marvinparrow 18:47:47 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:33 I've seen the android version in action... loading time: a few second for db, like two minutes for des 18:48:58 why so long for the des files? 18:49:03 I assume that's just the first time you load it 18:49:10 (this used to be reversed, prompting some speed-ups) 18:49:15 first run, of course 18:50:24 the number of vaults in every release grows expotentially; we're also at 470 files, too 18:51:19 uh oh. better get mine in before the great vaults crackdown begins 18:51:51 last one in first one out 18:51:57 preserve the history~ 18:52:03 I mean, taking that long to parse a bunch of small files shouldn't take as long 18:52:57 is it because it also actually runs them all for validation purposes? 18:53:24 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:54:55 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:55:04 feature request: Ducktales theme song 18:55:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zPaBBE_elTc 19:01:42 sdl-mixer first 19:02:15 could put 2.0 into contribs already, but I'm afraid of fighting both packaging and crawl-side code at once 19:02:30 when did Crawl start using SQLite? 19:02:39 but then, system libs are stuck in Debian NEW for a month :( 19:03:06 -!- Nexos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:03:11 Is there any original code from Linley left in here? XD 19:03:55 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:04:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:06:44 Ganrao: if you find any then report it 19:06:52 hehe 19:06:55 FR: bribe ftp-master to process the NEW queue 19:07:20 I was just looking over the makefile, holy shit 19:07:39 Ganrao: yeah :( 19:07:39 So I guess it is configured to let me make ALL THE VERSIONS 19:07:54 ah, sdl's 19:07:58 no idea about it 19:08:02 sdls? 19:08:21 Ganrao: you mean like tiles or console for various OSes? 19:08:26 * kilobyte is uncertain which makefile we're talking about. 19:08:34 the one in the source directory 19:08:50 yeah SamB that thing is massive 19:08:57 I didn't realize makefiles got that big 19:09:10 1668 lines 19:09:39 umm well, try one produced by autotools... 19:09:39 Of course, that's not even the only makefile 19:09:46 or imake 19:10:00 geekosaur: please no 19:10:37 heh, I didn't realize the source had zotdefense and everything 19:10:51 Can you make your own server out of the gitorious repo? 19:11:16 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:11:19 yes, see the webserver dir 19:11:29 wow. so this is really everything 19:12:48 So this uses C and Lua so far, any other languages tossed in for fun? 19:14:12 also, if I wanted to host a Crawl server online would I need to get permission? 19:14:31 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:14:48 * geekosaur sees perl scripts in util/ and python in webserver/ 19:15:20 <|amethyst> Yeah, webtiles is written in Python (server-side) and JavaScript (client-side); and we use a lot of Perl in the build process 19:15:51 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:17:08 -!- Nightbeer is now known as Archmageoftheuni 19:17:32 -!- Archmageoftheuni is now known as Moogles 19:17:33 no haskell (yet? :) 19:17:57 <|amethyst> no, just a bot 19:18:00 * kilobyte deleted all ruby. 19:18:26 yeh, I also looked for ruby and tcl 19:20:39 * Grunt appears! 19:20:47 kilobyte isn't a fan of precious gems, apparently! 19:20:49 <_< 19:21:10 <|amethyst> I like mine semi-precious 19:21:20 (MY PRECIOUS) 19:21:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:21:27 green crystal scripts? 19:22:18 well, I guess a 400M years old coprolith would fetch a higher price than other gems from that age 19:22:26 <|amethyst> Visual Basic is like orange crystal script 19:22:37 A hostile presence attacks your code! You are confused. 19:24:12 So if I wanted to spend the money to get a colocated host for a Crawl server, do I need to ask someone for permission? 19:24:21 fr retile and reflavour the staff of wucad mu to involve orange crystal 19:24:51 Ganrao: what do you mean? 19:25:02 Grunt: more like "There is some code here. You are confused." 19:25:06 I mean if I wanted to host Crawl, in addition to the other 2 US servers 19:25:09 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:25:09 Ganrao, you don't need our permission to set up a Crawl server :) 19:25:20 SamB: closer to "You gaze into the code... You are confused." 19:25:23 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:31 ok good to know :) just something for me to think about 19:25:37 oh, yeah, that one was better 19:25:37 <|amethyst> Ganrao: if you want it to be an "official" server reflected in Sequell and the scoring pages, it helps to drop us a line 19:25:57 I would probably try to locate it near New York or somewhere mid-west / north 19:26:03 also |amethyst has a half-written HOWTO for setting it up 19:26:07 nice 19:26:09 <|amethyst> ??hosting 19:26:09 hosting[1/1]: Some incomplete documentation at http://dobrazupa.org/setting-up-dgamelaunch-and-webtiles 19:26:16 <|amethyst> yeah, we had two servers in the northeast, but none now 19:26:23 :-( 19:26:30 it was nice 19:26:32 how expensive is it to run a half decent one? 19:26:40 until they shipped cszo to florida 19:26:44 <|amethyst> CSZO costs me $100/month 19:26:58 <|amethyst> and is way more computer than I need 19:27:01 that much huh? you don't think you could scale it down without players noticing? 19:27:06 was gonna say... yeah 19:27:15 <|amethyst> it's hard to find dedicated hosting with a decent amount of RAM for less 19:27:18 ah 19:27:35 I keep hearing about Amazon cloud services, any idea if they'd work out for something like Crawl? 19:27:45 <|amethyst> too expensive 19:28:00 <|amethyst> they're designed for something you're running a fraction of the time 19:28:05 ah 19:28:11 How much ram do we need to run this bad boy? 19:28:13 <|amethyst> S3 might be reasonable for storing ttyrecs 19:28:16 you need like 30MB RAM per player, I'd say 19:28:32 hmm 19:28:35 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:29:27 <|amethyst> CSZO is currently using 2.7 GiB for 30 users 19:29:43 I ran a server for a moment on a raspi; max two concurrent players during the test and they didn't notice any slowness 19:30:21 heh 19:30:30 |amethyst: crawl or something more? (My data might have been from pre-webtiles times, I don't remember) 19:30:30 <|amethyst> between 16 and 47 MiB resident per crawl process (64-bit system) 19:31:09 * kilobyte whispers something about x32 (not i386) :p 19:31:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the top few dozen processes are webtiles (88 MiB), a bunch of copies of crawl, named (40 MiB), mysqld (20 MiB), irssi (16 MiB), and sizzell (15 MiB) 19:31:26 so what if I ran a no-webtiles version? would that save a lot of ram, or would it alienate too many players? 19:31:32 kilobyte: is that in the archive yet? 19:32:01 SamB: not the official one, and you need hand-holding to even debootstrap it 19:32:41 SamB: minbase and buildd variants work, default still does not, although I got several hurdles over. Little time for that, though :( 19:33:19 SamB: you get large memory savings over amd64, large speed savings over i386, and minimal speed over amd64 19:33:32 around 7% speed for Crawl 19:34:28 most of Crawl's memory use comes via the STL, which is pointer heavy, so memory should be a good deal better 19:34:31 lemme check 19:35:33 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:35:52 so it sounds like 2gb just to host SSH Crawl games for 40 people 19:36:13 but without any other processes 19:36:38 4gb then if I wanted to play around with other things besides Crawl 19:36:40 <|amethyst> I'd say closer to 3 GiB 19:36:45 <|amethyst> yeah, 4 with other stuff 19:36:51 <|amethyst> also, tournaments see a lot more users 19:36:56 are you paying for 4? 19:37:06 you can get gobs of memory at home almost free, with no bandwidth, or lots of cheap bandwidth with hardly any memory in typical hosting deals 19:37:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:28 <|amethyst> Ganrao: 8 actually 19:37:34 ah 19:37:39 <|amethyst> Ganrao: I wanted to be sure :) 19:37:46 sounds like it :) 19:37:59 <|amethyst> let me get you bandwidth usage numbers 19:39:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 19:39:13 you can get reserved EC2 instances... they're really quite cheap 19:39:39 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:41:23 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:41 a 17gb m2.xlarge would probably come out to under 2k/year 19:47:09 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:11 <|amethyst> looks like about $2500 19:47:43 <|amethyst> heavy utilization m2.xlarge: 1489 + 0.123*24*365 19:48:19 <|amethyst> $1638/yr if you reserve three years 19:49:41 <|amethyst> though really an m1.xlarge looks better 19:50:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:45 SamB: just as I wanted to check memory utilization, I found out our current version crashes in the Abyss nearly immediately 19:50:47 <|amethyst> 15 GiB of memory, more CPU, four times as much storage, and better network performance 19:50:51 <|amethyst> for cheaper 19:51:09 so for now, let's compare just the size of core dumps: 67317760 amd64, 45649920 x32 :p 19:51:12 <|amethyst> kilobyte: on x32 or amd64? 19:51:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, both? 19:51:21 yeah. Not nice. 19:51:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it doesn't seem to crash on 32-bit so I haven't been able to reproduce 19:51:52 <|amethyst> it's in a recursive call to WorleyLayout::operator() ? 19:52:07 yes 19:52:10 <|amethyst> %bug 7238 19:52:10 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 19:52:25 hmm... a debug build is still running 19:52:33 <|amethyst> oh 19:52:38 <|amethyst> maybe that's why I couldn't reproduce it 19:52:39 both x32 and amd64 builds I tried before were -O2 19:54:05 |amethyst: i've heard good things about google's offering, too 19:54:11 though not many people are using it yet 19:54:42 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:55:05 <|amethyst> Eronarn: it looks like an m1.large would be comparable to what I have and about the same price... I must have missed the reserved instances stuff last time 19:55:19 <|amethyst> Eronarn: or maybe the up-front fee scared me off 19:57:39 -!- radiosilence has left ##crawl-dev 19:57:53 |amethyst: they do keep bringing the cost down 19:58:15 and what about just the tourneys? 19:58:15 too rich for me right now 19:58:22 the commitment is a bit scary, but something like crawl is really predictable in terms of how many people will be playing year over year 19:58:58 Ganrao: that's the numbers for like, 10+ gb servers 19:58:59 I'd say, it would be nice to make adding/removing servers trivial 19:59:01 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [] 19:59:10 <|amethyst> yeah 19:59:33 well hmm 19:59:34 could set up an AMI for running a crawl node and let people spin up their own :) 20:00:00 yeah with the m1.Large it would be $50 / mo after paying the $243 up front 20:00:06 you basically set up your own image, can include preinstalled stuff 20:00:36 Eronarn: installation is trivial (I mean, not trivial per se, but needs to be done just once). Messing with ttyrecs and logfiles is hard. 20:00:48 the larger issue is making sure that an arbitrarily spun up server can still show up in ##crawl, etc.... 20:00:50 if I had $1700 to blow I could set up a 3 year server 20:00:51 yeah 20:01:01 but it would have to only be utilized by 50% on average 20:01:13 and only be 7.8gb 20:01:24 er 7.5gb 20:01:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:30 Ganrao: why not start with a micro (practically free) and only scale up as you need it? 20:01:41 well, actually free, even 20:01:49 because if it ever got 30 users at once I could not afford to keep it 20:02:01 that's when you start asking for donations! 20:02:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: large on-demand is $0.240 per hour, which works out to around $80 for two weeks 20:02:24 I guess that is true. |amethyst do you get donations? 20:02:44 <|amethyst> Ganrao: I do not 20:02:52 ;o 20:02:55 |amethyst: I've always wondered, where does the money come from to run a large server like cszo? 20:02:56 <|amethyst> then people might complain when it goes down :P 20:03:03 it is a great thing you are doing 20:03:06 Seeing as how I've never seen any kind of 'crawl donation' info 20:03:17 i wonder about something like S3ing all ttyrecs in one place, so all the servers can use them 20:03:18 What I'm asking is, are you a drug lord 20:03:41 it'd be nice to have a seamless approach to multiple servers 20:03:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:43 <|amethyst> Zot is no country for old men 20:03:53 atones for their sins by hosting the greatest game 20:04:06 or perhaps a reclusive, billionaire mycologist? 20:04:09 he accepts bribes to restore peoples dead characters on cszo 20:04:15 <|amethyst> $100/month isn't all that much 20:04:24 evilmike: i know someone who made bank running a private RO server and accepting money for items 20:04:29 <|amethyst> it helps that I don't have a cell phone 20:04:31 lol 20:04:36 Eronarn: that is really cool, actually 20:04:37 <|amethyst> so I don't have to pay for that :) 20:04:48 oh well yeah, we spend $150 / mo on our cell bill :P another $150 for our cable internet + TV 20:04:54 because the wife loves her Dexter :P 20:05:14 <|amethyst> and no car (my wife has one that we bought used, for cash, so still no payments) 20:05:18 not having a car is the best 20:05:26 well we both own our cars too 20:05:32 <|amethyst> I walk everywhere and she usually bicycles 20:05:44 i'm younger and i've seen many of my friends practically bankrupted by their cars 20:06:28 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:08:18 walks everywhere eh 20:08:30 making it harder for the cops to bug your vehicle ;) I get it 20:08:44 just don't sell to kids and we'll be ok 20:10:10 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:12:41 <|amethyst> /topic The finest Peruvian blow, at low low prices! Contact |amethyst for details. 20:14:27 |amethyst: Suspicion confirmed! 20:18:43 * SamB deliberately misinterprets this as a sexual services ad 20:19:34 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:48 -!- Moogles is now known as Monotaur 20:21:08 From the crawl FAQ: Q: How are the servers like cszo funded? 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It's almost like everyone has lives, or something 21:45:04 well, DracoOmega was busy, it seems 21:45:17 My head has been buried in spreadsheets for days now :P 21:45:24 now it's time to party 21:45:38 Systemic balance changes, away! >.> 21:46:22 oh boy, glad I'm not doing a summoner atm 21:46:24 overthrow the existing order, imo, change every balance 21:46:31 well, I guess late-game it doesn't matter as much 21:47:14 The idea is to change earlygame very little and just curb the big inflow of power across midgame (compensating for the pattern of inflation recently) in the hope of making that period actually more interesting 21:48:40 (Also, this makes the xp values for a bunch of monsters make more sense than they currently do, with deep elf master archers being worth 1.5 death yaks, despite being able to take out a titan 2 times out of 3) 21:48:41 Monsters can't cast Tornado, DracoOmega. 21:48:41 <_< 21:48:49 <|amethyst> rebuilding %?? now 21:48:56 Grunt: not yet... 21:48:56 Grunt: Consider it preemptive 21:49:07 (But I admit that somehow I thought that player ghosts could) 21:49:13 Grunt: But chaos butterflies are coming back soon, right? 21:49:15 he actually coded it some time ago 21:49:40 Monster Tornado is extremely easy to implement; we just don't have a real use for it right now. 21:49:48 (I still want to give it to Lom Lobon at some point, though <_<) 21:49:55 Lom might count as a- yes 21:49:59 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:11 Maybe in Lom's emergency spell slot >_> 21:50:13 His area is really open and without a lot of adds to worry about, too 21:50:16 In place of conjure ball lightning? 21:50:25 going to leave him quite lonely though 21:50:28 Well, Lom's kill rate is really pathetic for the Pan lords 21:50:29 I think poor mnoleg needs the biggest buff 21:50:33 he's always so easy 21:50:44 -!- rrage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:50:48 gammafunk: Lom is actually much less dangerous, by the stats, believe it or not 21:50:54 quite 21:50:55 Despite what people seem to say 21:51:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:51:15 mnoleg's eyeballs and tmons summons easily catch idiots a lot more easily than even fire storm 21:51:17 Like, sure Mnoleg HIMSELF isn't going to hurt you very much in comparison, but there's the hordes of eyes and tmons, and such 21:51:20 Yeah, that is surprising, since I and most players I know seem to have the easiest time with mnoleg 21:51:35 and idiot-killing is very good for stats 21:51:45 Lom seems to have lots of firepower, but he's not so great at not dying (or even guarding his own rune) 21:51:57 lom would be way scarier if he didnt blink everywhere and had actual HP 21:52:03 let pan/hell lords apport the rune to themselves if you get too close 21:52:03 Despite having major healing! 21:52:35 lom also has some pretty easy ninja layouts 21:52:39 evilmike: Well, blink away SEEMS like a good thing to combo with ice storm, but this often just gives you an easy path to ignore him 21:52:39 maybe if he was fast too. tornado + fast + antimagic melee 21:52:45 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 13491 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:52:45 %??lom_lobon 21:52:53 then again, its nice to have a unique with ice storm 21:52:55 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: your second derivative is wrong on the L 13 line of that comment 21:52:57 blink away does pair well with cbl either 21:53:01 doesn't, rather 21:53:21 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:26 Oh, oops 21:53:31 I'm pondering what a newLom spell set would look like. 21:53:39 Ice Storm would stick around, obviously. 21:53:40 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:51 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:12 Crystal spear? 21:54:29 worse than additional ice storm slots 21:54:39 also covered by dispater 21:55:20 well, torment is covered by eresh and gloorx 21:55:51 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2260-g8b2c73c: Correct a comment even more 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b2c73cb4c54 21:56:51 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57:04 Hmmm... maybe give him metabolic englacation? 21:57:09 storment 21:57:30 <|amethyst> battleicosahedron 21:57:42 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:43 Of course, probably that does nothing 21:57:49 Since who wouldn't wear rC around him? 21:57:50 -!- eeviac_ is now known as eeviac 21:58:08 fulminant-prism-ophan-style-ring 21:58:14 Haha 21:58:33 summon mnoleg 21:58:34 Sadly the first one would detonate all the other prematurely 21:58:42 still hurts a bit! 21:58:53 summon panlord. 21:58:58 Maybe it CBL is improved that will help him automatically? :P 21:59:01 (That would be a Mnoleg spell <_<) 21:59:10 with the summons nerf, maybe an L9 player spell to summon a pan lord! 21:59:10 eye of draining ability 21:59:14 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:15 to replace the antimagic 21:59:17 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 21:59:17 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:18 breadlord 21:59:23 !seen |amethyst 21:59:24 I last saw |amethyst at Sat Jul 6 02:57:30 2013 UTC (1m 53s ago) saying 'battleicosahedron' on ##crawl-dev. 21:59:24 (and replace af_antimagic with af_slow) 21:59:28 -!- radiosilence has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:29 <|amethyst> bh: howdy 21:59:44 |amethyst: would you mind running destruction on cszo? 21:59:48 whatever happened to the unique bee panlord 21:59:55 <|amethyst> we can't do new spells until mumra merges that patch, can we? 22:00:02 he can go in the forest branch with the forest rune 22:00:08 Haha 22:00:09 eeviac: I missed the... buzz on that one 22:00:21 DracoOmega: can you make Swamp better? 22:00:31 he's a panlord with bees in his mouth 22:00:33 bh: It's on the list! (Everything's on the list, it seems) 22:00:41 eeviac: and when he barks he shoots bees? 22:00:51 <|amethyst> bh: can't make it available via webtiles without a restart 22:00:51 well, when he shouts dialog 22:00:56 it's a free action 22:01:01 beesmite 22:01:06 |amethyst: no rush. dpeg had just suggested a comparison 22:02:27 eeviac: Well, there's already things in Forest that spit bees at you! :P 22:02:33 As a free action, even 22:02:38 I haven't played the branch yet 22:02:41 ??red wasp 22:02:42 red wasp[1/1]: Hits like a freight train, and if you don't have rPois paralyzes. One of the few ways left to die in one move, and certainly easier than getting double bolted by an ancient lich or mauled by a hydra. 22:02:42 ??treant 22:02:43 treant[1/1]: Slow moving but strong plants which can spawn insects. They have animal level intelligence. 22:02:45 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:02:49 No they don't! 22:02:50 I am sad it hasn't taken a pan rune yet 22:02:51 treant (04P) | Spd: 7 | HD: 16 | HP: 133-173 | AC/EV: 16/3 | Dam: 48 | 03plant | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 1412 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 22:02:51 %??treant 22:03:06 FR: a wasp that bites ants and turns them into zombie ants 22:03:14 I'm also sad that gargoyles are gr and not gg 22:03:14 !learn edit treant s/They/ 22:03:15 treant[1/1]: Slow moving but strong plants which can spawn insects. have animal level intelligence. 22:03:18 .... 22:03:27 I wonder if I have ever edited a learndb entry correctly? 22:03:31 Certainly not often 22:03:32 haha 22:04:13 does s/ +have.+// work? 22:04:14 !learn edit treant s/ have/They have/ 22:04:15 treant[1/1]: Slow moving but strong plants which can spawn insects. They have animal level intelligence. 22:04:16 !learn edit treant s/insects.*/insects, up to and including red wasps. 22:04:16 treant[1/1]: Slow moving but strong plants which can spawn insects, up to and including red wasps. 22:04:32 :( 22:04:41 that's a *mean* monster 22:04:48 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:04:59 Also queen bees to berserk the bees they spawn! (For what it matters at that point) 22:05:04 do they also inexplicably leave chunks 22:05:08 They do not 22:05:10 They're trees 22:05:14 Dryads are not trees 22:05:19 In fact, I will go change that glyph now 22:05:25 dryads look like trees though! 22:06:02 nah, they look like trolls. Remember trolls? 22:06:11 (deep trolls look like cookie monster.) 22:06:12 at best dryad flesh is very barky, with a lot of sap 22:06:35 Bah, yellow m is already taken 22:06:46 bh: Like a cookie monster from a nightmare, perhaps 22:06:56 DracoOmega: some nasty merfolk? 22:07:00 merfolk impaler (08m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%; atk: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 70-98 | AC/EV: 0/18 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1115 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:07:00 %??merfolk impaler 22:07:10 how about lightyellow? 22:07:18 satyr (09c) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 61-104 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 25 | 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1233 | Sp: cause fear, sleep | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:07:18 %??satyr 22:07:22 There's a light yellow? 22:07:26 I thought so 22:07:38 I could make them light green, but then they'd blend in with the trees in a different way 22:08:21 (If anyone has a suggestion better than 'm', go ahead) 22:08:27 well, google image search for dryad reveals a lot of quite scantily clad forest women, so I guess dryads aren't trees 22:08:27 nope. no light blue 22:08:29 er 22:08:31 light yellow 22:08:45 gammafunk: Is this new information to you or something? :P 22:08:50 DracoOmega: It is! 22:08:55 Oh, haha 22:08:58 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:02 blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, brown, light blue, light cyan, light red, light magenta, yellow, white 22:09:05 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:05 Yes, dryads may be tree SPIRITS, but they are definitely not trees 22:09:09 merfolk aquamancer (03m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 53-80 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 996 | Sp: primal wave (3d21), steam ball (3d19), throw icicle (3d24), blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:09:09 %??merfolk aquamancer 22:09:11 not yet, at least 22:09:23 Hmmm... maybe brown works 22:09:36 there should be a spell for some forest creature that turns trees into monsters, like treants but without the bugs 22:09:40 Will the glyph still be 7? 22:09:45 Q, for plant hybrids 22:09:48 please don't use 7 22:09:52 It's already a 7 22:09:55 use a space 22:09:56 Making it not a 7 is the point 22:10:15 nicolae-: That's the worst glyph in nethack by far; always map player ghosts to X 22:10:16 evilmike: I was thinking to co-opt m for 'maiden'. Nymphs are already m! 22:10:28 can't believe they thought a space would be a good glyph 22:10:36 Clearly they were spacing out. 22:10:36 <_< 22:10:37 at first I thought Satyrs should be H, but I'm ok with them as c 22:10:43 Grunt: oh, you.... 22:10:43 you could make dryads an off-tier demon and put them on R 22:10:44 nicolae-: Well, Awaken Forest already kind of does this 22:10:44 c -- shit with hooves 22:10:51 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:02 evilmike: R, the letter no one has any idea what it means, aside from rakshasa, apparently 22:11:18 demon spirit? 22:11:25 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:26 Mara is actually a demon, isn't he? 22:11:28 it means a demon that is too cool for the regular demon tiers 22:11:30 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:11:31 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:32 efreets also get it 22:11:35 gammafunk: nethack devs made a lot of decisions in the "i can't believe that somebody thought this would be a good idea" vein 22:11:36 Heh 22:11:36 what are the R's? rakshasa and efreets? 22:11:43 And the djinn placeholder mob now 22:11:53 "Monsters that I would expect to find in Arabian Nights." 22:12:03 though i guess in the old devs the roguelike principles of development were more along the lines of riding a dragon into the sunset while wearing shades and flipping double birds at players 22:12:07 aRabian demons 22:12:08 nicolae-: And slashem developers took that mentality to a whole new level 22:12:08 Rakshasa aren't Arabian 22:12:24 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:30 that puts a wrench in that 22:12:42 -!- Ramc has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:12:47 "demons that weren't named by a cat" 22:12:50 Carrotz the Bludgeoner (L13 GrSk) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 34 failed on turn 21887. (Lair:7) 22:13:01 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 13491 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:13:01 <|amethyst> %?lom lobon 22:13:02 Haha 22:13:03 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9161 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:13:03 <|amethyst> %??lom lobon 22:13:07 nicolae-: By the way, that subvault problem was me trying to place the same subvault in two locations 22:13:10 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d16), iron shot (3d36), haste, greater demon | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 22:13:10 <|amethyst> %??cerebov 22:13:16 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 9248 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), malmutate, fireball (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 22:13:16 <|amethyst> %??orb of fire 22:13:17 Had to use seperate glyphs for each instance to fix it 22:13:21 (Idea: crank Lom's HD) 22:13:26 (make his ice storm *hurt*) 22:13:32 It already hurts a fair bit 22:13:35 I don't think that's the issue 22:13:42 Mnoleg (09&) | Spd: 13 | HD: 17 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/25 | Dam: 3509(mutation), 2306(blink self) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10820 | Sp: eyeballs, smiting (7-17), malign gateway, horrible things | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:13:42 <|amethyst> %??mnoleg 22:13:43 (just throwing random ideas out <_<) 22:13:51 Gloorx Vloq (15&) | Spd: 20 | HD: 16 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12453 | Sp: poison arrow (3d23), miasma (3d13), torment symbol, b.draining (3d20), dispel undead (3d25), invisibility | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:13:51 <|amethyst> %??gloorx vloq 22:13:54 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:14:00 Gloorx Vloq (15&) | Spd: 20 | HD: 16 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: poison arrow (3d23), miasma (3d13), torment symbol, b.draining (3d20), dispel undead (3d25), invisibility | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:14:00 <|amethyst> %?gloorx vloq 22:14:07 gammafunk: that'll happen. i don't use subvaults very often, maybe i should do something with that, expand my horizons a bit 22:14:11 elliott: I still can't spell sixifrhy 22:14:16 bh: sixfirhy!!! 22:14:21 <|amethyst> gloorx is now less XP than cerebov 22:14:35 <|amethyst> not that that's a problem 22:14:36 That does not seem inappropriate 22:14:37 cerebov is way harder to kill 22:14:40 bh: no one can, and that's true for many demons. uftebus? I have no idea 22:14:59 gammafunk: you mean uberfetus? 22:15:07 sure, sounds about right 22:15:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:15:33 ynoxafsdfasa..forget it 22:16:01 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:46 A few monsters did actually gain xp though! 22:16:53 deep elf master archer (15e) | Spd: 10 (msl: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 64-85 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 25, 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1511 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:16:53 %?deep elf master archer 22:16:55 deep elf master archer (15e) | Spd: 10 (msl: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 64-85 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 25, 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2507 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:16:55 %??deep elf master archer 22:17:35 what's the difference between using ? and ?? 22:17:40 Versions. 22:17:42 Trunk and stable, I think 22:17:51 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-a0-2259-gdab8f93 22:17:51 <|amethyst> %??-version 22:17:54 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12.1-6-ga599f7d 22:17:54 <|amethyst> %?-version 22:17:57 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:17:57 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.11.3 22:17:57 <|amethyst> %0.11?-version 22:18:01 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.10.4 22:18:01 <|amethyst> %0.10?-version 22:18:03 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.9.2 22:18:03 <|amethyst> %0.9?-version 22:18:03 i don't actually know how to use the knowledge bots in irc... i have a browser thing where i type "cb " and it searches the knowledge bots thing at crawl.develz.org 22:18:07 ah, i see 22:18:16 <|amethyst> gretell has only the two 22:18:20 <|amethyst> @??-version 22:18:21 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-a0-1793-g1cc1d03 22:18:22 <|amethyst> @?-version 22:18:22 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.10.1-54-ga41a5f4 22:18:28 Haha, 0.10? 22:18:37 Nicely irrelevant 22:18:38 <|amethyst> and not even 0.10 final :) 22:18:43 0.10.1 22:18:50 Gretelll's personal favorite version, it seems 22:18:52 + a bit <_< 22:19:51 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:59 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2261-g830e84e: Dryads are not trees 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=830e84eef41d 22:24:06 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:24 -!- Guest3381 is now known as Wensley 22:24:58 Experimental (destruction) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2158-gf7602ab 22:25:10 o_O? 22:25:10 <|amethyst> hm 22:25:13 <|amethyst> maybe not working yet 22:25:58 -!- notlainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:04 wow, the new experimental build that was talked about a couple months ago (that isn't just trunk)? 22:26:23 <|amethyst> we had inception before 22:26:27 <|amethyst> so it's not something new 22:28:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:52 Anyway, it takes roughly this much work to get monsters casting Tornado (minus the tidbit at the end), for those wondering: http://sprunge.us/NaSe 22:30:00 Bumblechubs (L11 VpSk) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 34 failed. (D:10) 22:30:21 (there are other bits and pieces that could use adding in, like translocation-related debuffs, but that's the majority of it) 22:30:35 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:24 There seem to be a lot of these ASSERT(this) errors lately 22:31:55 Crawl's not very assertive these days >_> 22:32:27 -!- Raycaster1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:34 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:32:53 Isn't the problem rather that it's being TOO assertive? ^^; 22:32:59 !lm * crash -log 22:32:59 5113. Bumblechubs, XL11 VpSk, T:15109 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Bumblechubs/crash-Bumblechubs-20130706-033000.txt 22:33:13 Oh 22:33:21 It's that spectral weapon thing, isn't it? 22:33:24 It's failing to assert, so... :b 22:33:30 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:58 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:16 disable the assert? 22:34:26 * Grunt ponders how well Mnoleg would interact with Dimension Anchor. 22:35:30 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:38 Grunt: By interact, do you mean if he gained that spell himself? 22:35:42 Yes. 22:35:55 I think he might have a hard time actually using it 22:36:00 Amid all the summon spam 22:36:17 (And there are already eyes to keep you from going places, to a degree) 22:36:43 would it be bad if everything in V:$ refused to use the stairs? as in, "they're defending the vault"? Or if we made vault guards exclusive to the vault end and made them not use stairs 22:36:55 <|amethyst> %git f7602ab 22:36:55 07bh * 0.13-a0-2158-gf7602ab: Add prompts for -Scroll/-Potion 10(3 days ago, 4 files, 41+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7602ab20614 22:37:01 bh: That seems odd and also quite unnecessary 22:37:10 bh: Since stairdancing V:$ is often not very good anyway 22:37:16 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:37:22 <|amethyst> bh: okay, should be working, except it can't be chosen in webtiles until the server is restarted 22:37:25 fair 22:37:27 |amethyst: <3 22:38:02 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:50 <|amethyst> bh: milestones/scores are at http://dobrazupa.org/meta/destruction/ 22:40:21 |amethyst: what are our metrics for goodness? 22:40:26 <|amethyst> bh: play with X from the trunk menu (that way we can keep the same binding the next time this comes up) 22:40:50 <|amethyst> bh: I dunno 22:41:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:41:40 no significant divergences in w/l would be nice 22:42:33 What do you mean by 'goodness'? 22:42:37 <|amethyst> I don't know if that's reasonable to expect with a self-selected sample 22:42:49 -!- Arendeth has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:56 And yes 22:43:20 and there won't be enough games played to do it per player 22:43:33 -!- Arendeth has quit [Client Quit] 22:44:12 I think it probably will have to be examined anecdotally for the time-being 22:44:32 I think it's the kind of thing that would have a hard time showing up on stats unless you had a large data set, anyway 22:45:17 Experimental (destruction) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2158-gf7602ab 22:45:40 also often stairdancing things that don't climb stairs is even easier than stairdancing ones that do 22:46:03 ontoclasm: Well, probably not in this case since all the stairs lead to the same place 22:46:06 since climbing the stairs gets you safe 22:46:09 <|amethyst> bh: and it's now supported by the rebuild trigger so you don't have to bug me about it 22:46:36 <|amethyst> bh: (not automatically rebuilt though) 22:46:36 ontoclasm: The danger in stairdancing V:$ has always been weighted to the RETURN, I think 22:46:54 I once lost like 65% of my health by the time I got a turn on the bottom, once 22:47:06 Since a nice ring of stone giants had formed in my absense and I got hit by like 5 rocks 22:49:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2261-g830e84e (34) 22:51:53 yeah 22:52:04 potentially taking 16 free hits from V:5 monsters, not the best 22:52:13 i've only stairdanced v:$ once and won't be doing it again 22:52:50 It's not so bad if you don't make a lot of noise on the bottom, mind 22:53:38 !send DracoOmega vault sentinels 22:53:38 But these days I find myself mostly just blinking out of the circle and running to an edge 22:53:39 Sending vault sentinels to DracoOmega. 22:53:48 Haha 22:53:49 That seems to be the go-to strategy these days. 22:55:00 Stair dancing as a mage is basically a physical comedy 22:55:11 I tried doing that on my first mage….as an octopode 22:55:59 I mean, I have probably stair-danced the place several dozen times 22:56:06 But I don't do it nearly so much anymore 22:57:14 |amethyst: yay 22:57:26 I've only stairdanced V:$ 22:58:01 then again, awfulplayer. 22:58:56 Well, it's not like it's a death sentence or anything. It's just generally inferior to other options 22:59:10 it's a death sentence sometimes 22:59:33 I mean some characters just aren't tough enough to do it 22:59:38 or even close 23:00:57 Nothing following you would kind of make stairdancing easier 23:01:55 well 23:02:07 if nothing follows you you can't bring stuff upstairs 23:02:36 so it's not really stairdancing anymore 23:02:52 it would be "kill some dudes, rest, kill more dudes, rest more" 23:03:17 ??stair dancing 23:03:17 stair dancing[1/1]: The process of dragging enemies up stairs so as to kill them in smaller groups. 23:03:45 Meh, that's not how I would define it :p 23:03:48 -!- Medra is now known as Medar 23:04:04 how do you define it then 23:04:19 because the entire point is to kill them in smaller groups instead of all at once 23:05:07 there are lots of dances involving stairs & i'm sure "stair dancing" is not exclusively used to refer to only one of them 23:05:51 Semantics... didn't mean to make the discussion about that 23:05:53 Bumblechubs (L12 VpSk) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 34 failed. (Lair:2) 23:06:24 it's left foot first or it's not real stairdancing imo 23:11:54 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:19 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:16:26 -!- Gandhi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:16:54 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20:02 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 23:20:23 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:26 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:22:10 Bumblechubs (L12 VpSk) ASSERT(this) in 'actor.h' at line 34 failed. 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