00:02:40 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:04:28 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1711-g6001865: Rename a potentially misleading function. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=600186514c10 00:05:01 |amethyst: You are even more misled! 00:05:03 >_> 00:05:34 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-1710-g777f831 (34) 00:05:45 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1710-g777f831 (34) 00:05:47 -!- AriaB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:57 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:50 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:08:55 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:45 At the rate I'm going lately, the 'easy' things on this list will take longer than the 'hard' things did :P 00:10:16 DracoOmega: what about the 'impossible' things 00:10:24 how many of those have you gotten done so far 00:10:26 The list thankfully does not contain any of those 00:10:31 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:56 Bad Idea: A moth type that polymorph-upgrades monsters 00:11:10 moth of polywrath? 00:12:24 darwin moth 00:12:33 <|amethyst> just higher HD, or higher HD within the same genus? 00:13:13 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1711-g6001865 (34) 00:14:03 higher HD within genus 00:14:32 |amethyst: how is wizmode access gated on cszo? 00:15:02 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:15:06 mumra: I so sorely want a `moth of madness` 00:15:14 bh: if you're listed as an admin 00:15:17 which you should be 00:16:02 <|amethyst> bh: user "bh" is an admin so you should be able to use & 00:16:28 right. I was more wondering about opening wizmode up to everyone on T:1 00:16:31 bh: were you the one proposing turn-0 wizmode for mere mortals? 00:16:35 yep 00:16:46 think it would cause start scumming? 00:16:50 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:16:51 <|amethyst> T:1 ? 00:16:55 I don't think so 00:16:56 turn 00:17:15 how is the CPU hogging etc. issue being solved? 00:17:35 how often does loot spawn in LoS of start? 00:17:42 I mean, cool loot 00:17:56 <|amethyst> I'm still not sure about wizmode on the server 00:18:25 Like, is there really a good reason for them to need it? Local is still available if they want to mess around. 00:18:27 it would allow collaborative learning 00:18:27 <|amethyst> I worry about security 00:18:33 security? 00:18:48 do we have ways of writing files? 00:18:57 <|amethyst> it's easy to create broken game states in wizmode, and you have a fair amount of control over the dungeon layour 00:19:09 Wizmode allows executing arbitrary lua, doesn't it? 00:19:14 <|amethyst> I would be concerned about someone finding a wizmode arbitrary code execution vulnerability 00:19:25 hmm 00:19:41 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: arbitrary to a degree anyway 00:19:49 Well, a lot more than you can do otherwise 00:19:53 <|amethyst> yeah 00:19:54 the lua is arbitrary 00:19:55 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:58 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:19:59 Some of which might potentially be dubious, maybe? 00:20:02 the namespace isn't 00:20:11 can you force the inclusion of a specific vault during level generation somehow? I want to see my level generated in forest, for instance 00:20:17 *my vault 00:20:18 <|amethyst> right, no files or network connections or anything 00:20:23 more likely would be a DoS attack by putting together some crazy game that eats CPU cycles 00:20:32 gammafunk: is it an ORIENT vault? 00:20:32 <|amethyst> BlastHardcheese: you can do that anyway 00:20:43 yeah 00:20:49 gammafunk: &P 00:20:56 <|amethyst> BlastHardcheese: you'd need several games at a time to actually bog down the server 00:20:58 mumra: thanks 00:21:11 and of course because dgl doesn't use system user accounts you can't use process limits 00:21:23 actually, you can already run arbitrary lua without wizmode 00:21:27 <|amethyst> BlastHardcheese: can use per-process limits if it's an issue 00:21:33 it just has less control over the game 00:21:56 <|amethyst> and is run with a timeout isn't it? 00:22:12 hmm, now is the dlua run with that timer or not? 00:22:18 mumra: ? 00:22:26 don't know 00:22:46 I thought maybe one of your layouts would have run out of fuel 00:22:49 but i suspect not, from what i've seen of level generation problems 00:23:13 i've seen layouts fail by using too much memory 00:23:18 and possibly from too much recursion 00:23:22 but i've never seen a timeout 00:23:37 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:38 how much fuel do we give lua anyway 00:23:52 and is it unleaded? 00:24:06 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24:16 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:06 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:28:48 -!- DracoOmega_ is now known as DracoOmega 00:30:24 is it just me or do we have bigger orc bands than we used to lately? 00:30:47 oh, I guess this one was probably guarding the mines 00:31:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:57 Hmmmm.... can itemspecs not actually give cursed items to monsters? 00:42:31 'cursed sabre' will produce a cursed sabre as expected, but 'orc; cursed sabre' produces one wielding an uncursed one 00:45:02 I keep crashing in the Abyss by Annonith 00:46:08 ??sojobo 00:46:09 sojobo[1/1]: The tengu king; shows up in Forest. Comes with a swarm of tengu up to and including {tengu_reaver}s, whom he will haste, blink around you, and then fire chain lightning at. 00:46:18 raven (02b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 6 | HP: 25-42 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 8, 8 | 04eats corpses, sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 262 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:46:18 %??raven 00:47:06 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1711-g6001865 00:53:29 -!- eb has quit [] 00:54:16 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:07:30 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:53 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:19:19 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:41 -!- dcss82948 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:42 -!- dcss73585 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:16 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:13 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:54 -!- buppy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:13 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:08:50 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:41 !tell grunt I reworked the yred vault so that the chapel is central to the maze, and it fits into forest much better now: http://pastebin.com/Y0tHwKS8 02:10:42 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 02:11:37 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:12:31 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:13:35 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 02:26:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:17 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:25 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:25 -!- dupo has quit [] 02:29:09 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:31:25 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32:08 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:33:35 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 02:38:09 y'all are going to love this branch :) 02:38:09 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:44:49 New branch created: madness (1 commit) 02:45:20 03bh 07[madness] * 0.13-a0-1712-gdebd2d6: Moth of Madness 10(12 minutes ago, 5 files, 71+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=debd2d6947f6 02:45:22 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 02:48:26 Potentially interesting concept. Questionable name, I think ^^; 02:51:50 -!- Eldarby has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58:23 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:18 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:15:18 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:18:07 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:18:08 -!- dcss71834 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:24 Would be funny as a ziggurat floor with a bunch of orcs and hill giants. 03:35:39 only to find out that they'll soon turn into warlords and stone giants 03:38:38 As opposed to the ziggurat floor that already contains a bunch of warlords and stone giants? 03:38:50 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:43:53 While not particularly effective, I'd be amused by a cloud of moths that starts with a single moth of madness, but slowly infects all of them. 03:45:55 I am not entirely sure why it is a moth, or why it is 'of madness', but eh 03:51:55 -!- tolly has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:53:59 Well moths seem to be the sources of some of our weirdest (sometimes unique) effects. Though usually they affect monsters and players equally (there's pretty good reasons not to bad-form the player, however) 03:54:45 I'm kind of scared what else he might have in store for a "madness" branch. 03:55:01 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:43 Well, there are other people to exert a mollifying influence should the need arise :P 03:56:20 -!- broquaint has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:31 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:03:13 -!- qoala has quit [] 04:05:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:13 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [] 04:15:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:53 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:05 moth of augmentation 04:28:34 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:35 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:28:53 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:30:46 -!- mason- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:57 bh i sure hope that's a ref to the movie 04:44:15 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:48 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Changing host] 04:58:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:01:00 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:19 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:30 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08:02 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:16 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:05 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:09 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:33:02 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:41:58 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:27 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:38 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:07 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:18 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:10 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:10:19 Grunt: ERROR: Lua error running hook 'post_place' on map 'tar_grunt': ...kilobyte/crawl/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/dungeon.lua:583: Failed to place map 'tar_grunt_big_loot' 06:17:38 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:52 Grunt: a veto is ok, throwing an user-visible error and/or not placing half of the ending (possibly without the rune!) not really 06:23:05 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:15 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:26 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:29:24 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39:39 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:40:25 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:42:04 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 06:47:59 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 06:50:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:52:03 !tell gammafunk from latest pastebin I could actually see: use patrolling tag instead of repeated definition, frey vault edges a bit to be less of a box (forest, etc), could (should) randomize a little more (corpses, more than one tree blockage) 06:52:04 tenofswords: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 06:52:07 -!- dcss44144 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:41 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1712-gb35ddce: Properly set the enums for proper hell branch exits. 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b35ddcec3c65 06:55:41 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1713-g1113559: Let vault code work normally during --mapstat and --test. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=11135592c4f3 06:55:41 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1714-gedaffbe: Assert that $BRANCH:1 always has an exit. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 31+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=edaffbec1d81 07:01:10 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:01:56 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:03:28 -!- gyylg has quit [Client Quit] 07:16:04 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:16:09 -!- santiago has joined 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prefixes from hell effects. 10(54 seconds ago, 2 files, 16+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f4e5b9996c5 08:51:20 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:49 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:59 -!- santiago has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:10:46 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:11 tile keeps displaying an empty halo after monster killed by battaile 09:15:20 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:04 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 09:27:14 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:30:25 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:32:03 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:27 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:35 Felid of Nemelex Xobeh instantly leveled to 27 upon death by Obselescence 09:57:09 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:05:15 nice 10:09:14 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:13:34 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:47 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:06 oh good, I haven't been devoiced over moths of madness! 10:22:15 -!- heteroy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:43 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:51 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:22:53 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 10:25:06 they do sound hilarious 10:25:10 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 10:25:35 I don't grok why they've been turning stuff into uniques. It's hilarious to see a pack of orcs get turned into Blork and Nessos 10:26:11 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:48 bh: you only didn't get devoiced because we're all scared of you now ;) 10:29:00 mumra: I am become death, the destroy of worlds? 10:29:15 I'll try to polish it more on Sunday. Feel free to jump in 10:29:40 i was trying to figure out why uniques might be generating but i couldn't see anything 10:30:02 yeah. I have the validity checker in there that looks at the unique bitmask 10:30:11 -!- bh has quit [Quit: back sunday] 10:30:11 death in the name of the death god 10:30:55 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:30:57 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:15 i also agree that madness might not be the best name, it seems to imply that it's just a hallucination or something 10:33:10 !tell bh i'm not sure about the madness name, it seems to imply that it's just a hallucination or something 10:33:11 mumra: OK, I'll let bh know. 10:44:32 -!- Voker57|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:50:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:38 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:47 -!- buppy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:00:16 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:01:18 !tell tenofswords tell me what your ratio of time spent on layout : randomisation is on a complex map 11:01:19 st_: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 11:02:28 my guess is something silly like 1:100 11:02:37 coming up with all those crazy SHUFFLE statements ;) 11:03:22 I do this everytime when I begin a project 11:03:30 my first map I go full on HangedMan 11:03:37 then I realise how much time I waste 11:15:43 -!- jason55_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:20:37 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:22:02 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 11:26:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:38 !messages 11:34:39 (1/1) tenofswords said (4h 42m 36s ago): from latest pastebin I could actually see: use patrolling tag instead of repeated definition, frey vault edges a bit to be less of a box (forest, etc), could (should) randomize a little more (corpses, more than one tree blockage) 11:35:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36:14 <|amethyst> gammafunk: as far as fraying vault edges goes, be careful not to create isolated floor at the edge of the vault 11:37:02 |amethyst: By floor you mean an open area that's walled in? 11:37:27 |amethyst: This is the current state: http://pastebin.com/Y0tHwKS8 11:37:45 <|amethyst> what you're doing with @ works, I guess 11:37:57 <|amethyst> but if you randomise the trees that's harder to do 11:37:59 yeah, I missed on, it looks like 11:38:07 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:38:12 <|amethyst> you can use an empty grid instead of that 11:38:23 empty grid? 11:38:28 sorry, pretty new to vault making 11:38:31 <|amethyst> space 11:38:38 <|amethyst> means the square is outside of the vault 11:39:09 What does having space in the mapdef actually do? 11:39:41 <|amethyst> the square isn't part of the vault, so will keep whatever was already there 11:41:35 Are you saying to remove the 'forest maze' bits around the central chapel and let the mapgen handle that, essentially? 11:41:41 -!- dcss82877 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:53 <|amethyst> no, I mean the disconnected bits around the edge 11:42:44 <|amethyst> but really, I mean it more for randomization to "fray" the edges; you can use the CLEAR: directive to do that; see for example the E glyphs in minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest 11:43:34 |amethyst: Ok, I'll check that out; thanks 11:54:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:50 -!- faglord has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:33 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:02:00 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 12:05:32 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:02 -!- jason55 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:13:01 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:59 st_: does "layout" count the sketching periods 12:14:30 also what happened to "balancing contents" in this 12:16:35 being a jerk I will say it's a 1 : 4 : 11 ratio altogether in actual time spent working 12:17:05 (balancing includes testing) 12:18:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1716-g6f4e5b9 (34) 12:19:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:20:56 which one is balance out of that 12:21:08 mons_throw still has code for racial ammo by reid 12:21:41 last 12:21:49 (dead serious here) 12:22:22 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:35 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:22:49 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:49 . 12:23:06 hrm, color choices for yred: dark, death, necro, unholy 12:23:09 I guess death? 12:23:34 while it is amusing to think about how many silly elemental colours there are hidden in colour.cc 12:23:45 tenofswords: isn't it great when you become inspired and have the clearest picture of how something should be? 12:23:45 what on earth are you planning for this that won't be garish 12:23:59 well, the stone chapel at the center of my vault 12:24:11 withered trees surrounding it at least 12:24:16 but it is in forest 12:24:45 st_: yes, and it is horribly crushing to then play it and find that damned shadow between essence and descent 12:24:50 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:25:16 elemental color: KRAKEN 12:25:17 perhaps you encounter this less because of your experience 12:25:42 I am rarely taken by the fey mood 12:26:11 mister boring :P 12:27:02 please tell me you're just looking at the elemental colours for base colours to use for features and not that you want a floor or trees that change colour every turn 12:27:06 also I spend wayyy less time balancing 12:27:30 I like things to be fairly loose, most of the balancing I do is just in the map making 12:27:44 just a color for stones for the chapel 12:27:54 I'm not making disco trees, nor a disco church 12:29:15 everything I make must be carefully, absolutely controlled to my liking, yet also randomized to my liking 12:30:00 let's see how this goes 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1717-gcaba246: Allow mon-pick to be used with arbitrary pop_entry lists 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 29+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=caba246645aa 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1718-g3052883: Improvements to Box of Beasts 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 53+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3052883e0ec7 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1719-gbdcc6e9: Migrate existing Boxes of Beasts with some charges 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdcc6e968584 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1720-gc658945: Give Box of Beasts a fixed 2/3 chance of success 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6589456a635 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1721-gabed1aa: Further tweaks to Box of Beasts 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 44+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abed1aa539fe 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1722-g77371fb: Don't let Box of Beasts create ravens at low Evo 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77371fb7e2a1 12:30:26 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-1723-ga1eaa04: Fix inaccurate comment. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1eaa04b9371 12:30:26 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-1724-gc27a74e: Fix spacing. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c27a74e6598a 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1725-g9d103ec: Add a gadget shop for miscellany/evokables 10(2 weeks ago, 6 files, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d103ec4508e 12:30:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1726-gb63a672: Increase shop value for elemental evokables 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b63a672052cd 12:30:26 ... and 18 more commits 12:31:09 uhhhh 12:31:17 mumra's at it again, evoking like mad 12:31:30 hey chei get to the "and 999 more commits" bit already 12:31:37 :p 12:31:39 good timing 12:31:40 erp 12:31:46 18 more commits 12:32:02 was expecting more bits than just the 12:32:06 oh hey sack of spiders 12:32:15 nothing else is totally ready 12:32:19 well maybe the iron rod 12:32:24 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:24 Are you putting evocations on par with god abilities, mumra? 12:33:38 no more second-tier to invocations 12:33:42 interesting way to put it 12:34:06 invocations and evocations really have nothing to do with each other aside from a similar name 12:34:14 gammafunk: top-tier god abilities should be stronger, i'm not sure what you're saying really? 12:34:19 point of curiousity, why are the bears in reverse strength to spawning depth 12:34:22 I wouldn't even worry about comparing them 12:34:22 mumra: totally joking 12:34:27 ahh 12:34:40 that seems kind of backwards 12:34:43 tenofswords: uhhhhh 12:35:09 good to know 12:35:13 tenofswords: are you looking at earlier commits? the list changes a lot later 12:35:37 I'm looking at evoke.cc from 61733ca5542371e 12:35:46 %git 61733ca5542371e 12:35:47 07mumra * 0.13-a0-1744-g61733ca: Support spell lists of 2nd and 3rd chimera parts 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 21+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61733ca55423 12:36:08 which is master? 12:36:14 did you have more to push 12:36:42 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:53 elliptic: I know they're completely different; in the minds of new players, there can be a lot of confusion, though 12:37:14 gammafunk: right, people certainly get confused about which is which at least 12:37:17 tenofswords: that's the most recent, i didn't look at spawn depths, i was just looking at mon-data 12:37:17 I'm thinking mostly of 'oh dang, I trained evocations instead of invocations! I always do that!' messages I hear 12:37:35 but i guess i got that wrong 12:37:45 the list probably needs a lot of tinkering 12:37:54 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:06 (if you want to suggest a reworked list, please go ahead -- your knowledge of monster depths and difficulties is probably better than mine anyway) 12:38:32 hmm 12:39:28 (bear in mind that HD is secondary, attack strength is the more relevant thing, since the 2nd and 3rd parts provide the attacks but don't affect the base monster) 12:39:33 ("bear" gettit) 12:39:50 what does that do for butterflies 12:40:35 also do bear chimeras in fact berserk 12:40:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:40:49 wow, again I have stairs directly into hall of zot 12:40:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:37 I wonder if I can repurpose my "bailey that forces you to step on an alarm trap short of lrd/shatter" layout into a very brief zot ambush vault if it doesn't work out 12:44:15 surprise convoker ambush vault 12:44:32 fr: unique convoker that convokes convokers 12:45:27 worldbinder 12:46:43 if you make a convoker your ally does it recall you and your allies? 12:48:55 it will still recall enemies so it stops casting word of recall 12:49:16 clearly we need a monster with an ability to force targets to case a spell 12:52:28 tenofswords: monster spellbooks and special abilities should work for any of the 3 parts, so i assume bears can berserk yes 12:52:46 although i haven't seen this in-game 12:53:21 butterflies are just a kind of dud, although it will give the chimera flight 12:53:56 <|amethyst> mumra: hm 12:53:59 if I recall correctly dracoomega knows the full story about some apparent lost behaviour in that bears are very rare to berserk 12:54:11 <|amethyst> mumra: I worry about just putting spells into random slots 12:54:53 <|amethyst> mumra: since a few of the slots have special usage 12:55:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:56:00 hmm, i wonder how hard it is to make special slots a non-thing 12:56:02 <|amethyst> mumra: also, is that really supposed to be a != 12:56:10 <|amethyst> + if (dummy.spells[i] != SPELL_NO_SPELL) 12:56:10 <|amethyst> + continue; 12:56:46 |amethyst: yes 12:56:56 it's trying to find the first empty spell slot 12:57:12 <|amethyst> why? 12:57:16 uh wait 12:57:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:58:20 <|amethyst> as for making special slots a non-thing... how would you handle emergency spells? 12:58:42 with a spell flag 12:58:58 <|amethyst> but 12:59:04 <|amethyst> bears berserk as an emergency 12:59:18 <|amethyst> Snorg berserks not as an emergency 12:59:26 <|amethyst> err, Snorg is a bad example 12:59:30 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 12:59:36 <|amethyst> spbe 12:59:43 that *could* be a monster flag to determine whether they use berserk in an emergency or not 12:59:57 or, the spell slots could have an extra bool 13:00:01 <|amethyst> and monsters that cast teleport in an emergency? healing in an emergency? 13:00:10 <|amethyst> yeah, putting it on the spell slots would work 13:00:16 when are healing/teleport *not* emergency spells? 13:00:51 self-heal and self-teleport should surely always be emergency options if a monster has them 13:01:10 <|amethyst> guardian serpent, titans, depr/dehpr, and others have it in both emergency and non-emergency slots 13:01:12 is heal emergency for preservers? 13:01:13 that != is strange, i'm sure i tested this and it works :( 13:01:37 <|amethyst> healing, that is 13:01:46 fleugma the Ruffian (L7 GrMo) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4541. (Temple) 13:01:59 fleugma the Ruffian (L7 GrMo) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4497. (Temple) 13:02:02 <|amethyst> wha 13:02:08 will825x the Cleaver (L7 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 3900. (Temple) 13:02:18 fleugma the Ruffian (L7 GrMo) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4534. (Temple) 13:02:19 well, this could be an intelligence/AI thing rather than the slightly fragile thing of which slot a spell has gone into 13:02:32 fleugma the Ruffian (L7 GrMo) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4495. (Temple) 13:02:56 mumra: How will the tile of a chimera work? 13:03:04 why are those turn counts all out of order? 13:03:06 They look like ordinary monsters now 13:03:49 gammafunk: currently it uses the tile of the base monster. this is the main reason chimera can't be used as enemies right now, since you'd see something that looked like a foo and not realise it was much more dangerous 13:04:24 i'm thinking a status icon over the monster is a good temporary solution until i do something more complex (which i have an idea for) 13:04:24 fleugma the Ruffian (L8 GrMo) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit exit_portal_vault[67] didn't get generated on turn 5300. (Ossuary) 13:04:37 mumra: yeah, was just about to say that 13:05:22 |amethyst: do you know offhand which slots are "special" right now? i can hack this in a simple way for the time being 13:05:31 I'm using a spattering of withered trees in my forest vault, but they all have a black background 13:05:44 <|amethyst> mumra: see mon-spll.h 13:05:58 will825x the Cleaver (L7 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 3840. (Temple) 13:06:03 I'm using TILE to set them to a glyph; how do I fix the background? 13:06:10 <|amethyst> mumra: slot [2] can be called without some of the usual checks, so don't put targetted spells there 13:06:18 <|amethyst> mumra: slot [5] is emergency 13:06:34 Ezero the Gusty (L7 DrAE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 5471. (Temple) 13:06:36 <|amethyst> mumra: and allegedly SPELL_DIG only works in slot [4] but that might not be true anymore? 13:06:46 <|amethyst> I see the problem I think 13:06:50 <|amethyst> with all the asserts 13:07:03 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1745-g373a9db: Remove references to racial ammo from throw.cc 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=373a9dbf31ce 13:07:24 <|amethyst> !lm fleugma crash x=src 13:07:25 5. [2013-06-21 18:04:24] [src=cao] fleugma the Ruffian (L8 GrMo) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit exit portal vault[67] didn't get generated on turn 5300. (Ossuary) 13:07:52 Neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 0. (Temple) 13:08:28 Ezero the Gusty (L7 DrAE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 5392. (Temple) 13:08:32 |amethyst: I thought the checks were finally instituted for slot [2] 13:09:05 <|amethyst> oh, were they? 13:09:11 <|amethyst> quite likely 13:11:27 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1746-g11fb7f4: Don't crash when the branch exit has a kmask 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=11fb7f4099dd 13:11:44 will825x the Cleaver (L8 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4167. (Temple) 13:11:45 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener s=src 13:11:46 15 milestones for * (crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener): 12x cao, 3x cszo 13:11:57 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener src=cszo 13:11:58 3. [2013-04-09 19:01:21] Hype the Shatterer (L20 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 603: enter abyss didn't get generated on turn 50274. (D:25) 13:12:22 will825x the Cleaver (L8 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4161. (Temple) 13:12:26 <|amethyst> okay, only CAO needs a rebuild 13:12:42 Neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 0. (Temple) 13:14:41 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener cv=~0.13 x=src,tiles 13:14:42 17. [2013-06-21 18:12:41] [src=cao;tiles=false] Neil the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return from temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 0. (Temple) 13:14:46 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener cv=~0.13 s=src,tiles 13:14:47 17 milestones for * (crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener cv=~0.13): 14x cao (8x false, 6x true), 3x cszo (3x true) 13:14:59 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener cv=~0.13 s=name,tiles 13:15:00 17 milestones for * (crash noun~~didn.t.get.gener cv=~0.13): 5x fleugma (5x false), 4x will825x (4x true), 2x Neil (2x false), 2x Ezero (2x true), Blackmore (false), Shadowmage952 (true), Hype (true), TheProvocateur (true) 13:16:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:22 <|amethyst> mumra: the reason the times are out of order is that it wasn't saving before the assert 13:19:32 ohh of course 13:19:35 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1747-g834c252: Construct chimera spell books more sensibly 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 24+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=834c2522949f 13:19:37 <|amethyst> which is good 13:20:03 yes, that should have been obvious really 13:20:24 will825x the Cleaver (L9 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 5447. (Temple) 13:20:59 <|amethyst> sigh, slow rebuild 13:21:16 <|amethyst> since you went and changed the header files 13:21:18 <|amethyst> how dare you! 13:21:33 <|amethyst> :P 13:22:18 tellian the Slasher (L9 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 6320. (Temple) 13:22:37 haha 13:22:39 sorry 13:23:01 tellian the Slasher (L9 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 5813. (Temple) 13:23:44 <|amethyst> I know having externs.h, enum.h, and such consolidated like that is a win for PCH 13:24:40 <|amethyst> but it's a pain sometime 13:24:41 <|amethyst> s 13:25:16 it sure seems like it sometimes, yes 13:26:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1746-g11fb7f4 (34) 13:27:03 A lot of files have pretty horrible dependencies really 13:27:34 <|amethyst> yeah, splitting wouldn't necessarily do a lot 13:28:07 mumra: yeah, that's why I said it seems like it sometimes 13:29:58 tenofswords: bear chimera should definitely berserk properly now btw, since the emergency slot is getting handled correctly now 13:30:06 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30:09 <|amethyst> mumra: mechanically, why is box of beasts not a wand? 13:30:27 <|amethyst> mumra: oh, right, targetting 13:30:34 yeah, minmay asked this in the thread 13:30:48 i think targetting is a reasonable definition for wands 13:30:55 <|amethyst> yeah 13:31:13 although there's not really any good reason for BoB to not be e.g. a scroll 13:31:19 how do I set the background of my DNGN_TREE_DEAD tile in my vault so that it isn't black and matches e.g. the forest 13:31:32 i'm setting the tile with a TILE: statement 13:31:39 FTILE 13:32:05 mumra: just set the ftile to grass? 13:32:30 it shouldn't actually be getting UN-set i don't think? 13:32:44 mumra: yeah, it seems that it is being unset 13:32:57 is this a tile you created? ... are you sure you did the transparency correctly? 13:33:00 at least the background is just solid black 13:33:13 no, just the same tile that I see used in crypt.des 13:33:44 ah, but I do see that they also set ftile in crypt.des 13:33:55 hmm 13:34:01 for that same glyph using withered tree I mean 13:34:04 i've use TILE before and it didn't unset the floor 13:34:34 Talesweaver the Cudgeler (L6 TeBe) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 2665. (Temple) 13:34:39 it really shouldn't be required, unless something has changed, or forest is doing the floor tiles in a weird way 13:34:40 maybe that tile has bad transparency? 13:34:58 if it has bad transparency you'd never see the floor 13:35:23 yeah, true 13:35:51 gammafunk: the crypt vault that uses FTILE isn't using it to fix a background problem, it's using it to *change* the floor tiles 13:36:37 maybe you've made some mistake that's messing up the floor tile 13:36:43 if you post your vault i can check 13:36:54 mumra: Well, I use glyph S for 'maybe a withered tree' with SUBST: S = tr, and then TIILE: R = DNGN_TREE_DEAD 13:37:01 er S = tR 13:38:06 mumra: http://pastebin.com/HCsDxH5Q 13:38:26 there's some other weirdness going on with that one at the moment though 13:38:43 meaning I'm in the process of fixing the shuffled passage trees 13:38:58 but I think the relevant lines are what I gave above 13:39:53 SUBST: E = tF CLEAR: F can easily become SUBST: E = tE CLEAR: E 13:40:06 important to think of variable things as variables or something 13:40:14 (hate headcolds so much) 13:40:37 tenofswords: will do 13:40:47 also what the heck reaver and defender corpses 13:41:05 do they get more hp? 13:41:08 does that actually give them the specific hd on raising or is it effectively just tengu and spriggan corpse 13:41:17 gammafunk: the tile stuff looks correct at least; as an experimental try removing the FTILE lines from that crypt vault and spawn it in crypt, see if the same problem happens there 13:41:19 check in wizmode with &D or whatever it was 13:41:36 ObadiahtheSlim the Ruinous (L5 OpCj) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 3906. (Temple) 13:41:41 (if the damage is kept is more important but that's harder to check) 13:41:43 mumra: Ok, I'll try that 13:41:47 oh yeah you shouldn't place classed corpses 13:41:51 that is weird 13:42:17 MarvinPA: Is it no difference from ordinary corpses? 13:42:54 i don't know but when you kill monsters they just leave species corpses, kill an orc warlord and see 13:43:35 <|amethyst> well 13:43:48 <|amethyst> "tengu reaver corpse" just places a tengu corpse with higher HD it seems 13:44:04 fr: x D displays damage 13:44:27 <|amethyst> I don't think it would change damage 13:44:38 <|amethyst> the corpse doesn't know it belonged to a reaver, just that it had a higher HD 13:44:58 That will translate into more HP for a zombie? 13:45:01 <|amethyst> m 13:45:04 <|amethyst> actually 13:45:06 <|amethyst> I may be wrong 13:45:12 <|amethyst> oh 13:45:14 <|amethyst> nm 13:45:26 <|amethyst> of course it would have higher MR 13:45:36 does anyone have an opinion on the console glyph for chimera? 13:45:38 if it will be invisibly different from normal tengu zombies when animated then that's also bad 13:45:39 <|amethyst> but the EV seems different oo 13:45:46 mumra: Q, obviously 13:45:49 MarvinPA: Good point 13:45:50 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: that's also the case for natural corpses of reavers 13:46:21 you know you killed a reaver in that case at least 13:46:25 Yeah, I'll just stick with the beefier forest corpses I guess 13:46:30 does it need a whole new letter? right now it's red X 13:46:40 it's not just a vault monster that is mysteriously stronger for no apparent reason 13:46:43 i suppose on Q it could be coloured the same as the base monster or something like that 13:46:46 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: H makes sense 13:46:48 <|amethyst> doh 13:46:51 <|amethyst> mumra: H makes sense 13:47:25 <|amethyst> but the Q plus colour thing sounds interesting 13:47:43 don't use Q, that's the glyph everybody repurposes :) 13:47:43 spacejung the Schismatic (L8 DDAK) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 624: Exit return_from_temple[94] didn't get generated on turn 4611. (Temple) 13:47:56 <|amethyst> !lm spacejung crash -log 13:47:56 1. spacejung, XL8 DDAK, T:4611 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/spacejung/crash-spacejung-20130621-184743.txt 13:48:04 with griffins/hippogriff/etc on H H is best 13:48:19 what if you stay in the entrance of an orc room and kill them all 13:48:33 then you have a pile of corpses with no idea which is which when they're animated 13:48:34 H fits if they are similar to manticore/griffon/hippogriff, yeah 13:48:52 yeah 'H' is all hybrids, i looked at that at some point but i don't know why i chose different 13:48:59 should cycle glyphs 13:49:40 occupies three tiles, one glyph for each monster 13:49:42 dynamic elemental colour cycling 13:49:55 <|amethyst> Wiki: "If the glyph is D, press esc a few times until it changes to something easier" 13:51:07 polymorphing a chimera re-assembles it into a new chimera? 13:51:18 or just shuffles one part? 13:51:33 i was thinking of using Q and H for quadruped/humanoid hybrids respectively 13:51:53 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: and moving hippogrives etc to Q 13:51:55 <|amethyst> ? 13:51:58 I wonder if ****** wolves will be suiting for top-tier placement and whether or not they'd keep their ***-*** ***** ********* **** trick 13:52:07 maybe yeah 13:52:37 ******* bears probably will be good rare top-tier material though 13:52:47 MarvinPA is fond of his Qriffons 13:52:55 i had hippogriffs and griffons on Q for a while, then i changed Q to just be harpies and tengu but i'm not entirely satisfied with that 13:53:03 so yeah i will probably bring back Qriffons 13:53:33 <|amethyst> which would shedu count as? 13:53:57 Qriffon, mantiQore, hippoqriff, qhedu, sphinq 13:54:09 i think they are quadruped 13:54:10 <|amethyst> shouldn't it really be chedu ? 13:54:13 shedu could as unthings 13:54:18 count 13:54:51 can't wait for the inevitable second holyhaul 13:55:48 <|amethyst> BTW, can we make the plural of "sphinx" "sphinges"? :) 13:56:21 (can't wait for paladins to get shield invocation and cleansing flame and the preserver spell or something) 13:57:02 hm i guess arachne fails my Q vs H categorisation 13:57:12 what, is she not H 13:57:21 she is H but she does not have 2 or 4 legs 13:57:32 hah 13:57:37 <|amethyst> how about H = has humanoid parts, Q = all animal 13:57:53 <|amethyst> so mantiqore, qriffon, hippoqriff, qimera 13:58:10 four legs good, two legs bad 13:58:25 manticores apparently have "the features of a human and a lion" 13:58:43 even though they are clearly more animal-like, so it gets confusing :P 13:58:49 <|amethyst> oh, right, human face 13:58:58 don't they open doors 13:59:12 so they do 13:59:12 or wait, I'm thinking of some zin thing 13:59:15 <|amethyst> yes, but they're still I_ANIMAL 13:59:35 -!- Naruni has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:45 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:09 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:21 "more than a human face" 14:00:57 -!- SamB has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:01:00 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 14:01:08 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:02:37 i think box of beasts crashes if you have 0 evoc? 14:03:02 also &Mchimera crashes which i guess is less surprising 14:04:06 also chimeras get sorted together on the monster list as "x, y, z chimera" even if one is an "a, b, c chimera" instead 14:05:29 -!- Eldarby has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:05:45 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:06:12 ??chimera 14:06:12 chimera[1/1]: A terrifying 3-headed monster composed of three separate monsters. Uses the primary attacks of the second two monsters as its aux attacks and can use spells and special abilities from all three monsters. Currently only seen by invoking {box of beasts}. 14:06:19 what's the plural again 14:06:24 chimeras 14:06:45 <|amethyst> hmm 14:06:45 so shouldn't it say "n chimeras"? 14:07:04 i imagine so 14:07:26 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:33 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:08:12 low evoc chimeras have pretty awesome descriptions 14:08:18 It has the head of a rat, the head of a bat, and the head of a bat. It has the body of a rat and the wings of a bat. 14:08:47 Hmm, needs moar english? 14:09:40 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:09:43 what sense of "more" are we talking here 14:09:43 I guess I shouldn't be able to walk in the withered trees; what the heck is going on 14:10:49 I think I know, actually 14:12:26 -!- sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:14:15 -!- vivec has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14:29 mnoqy: in the sense that if it new a bit more english it could surely condense that? 14:14:36 *knew 14:15:02 ah well have fun 14:15:10 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1748-g4eb2b4f: Move chimera to magenta 'H' (like other hybrids) 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eb2b4fe26e9 14:15:10 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1749-gf4a2ba3: Handle chimera noises 10(34 seconds ago, 4 files, 14+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4a2ba3aa3ac 14:15:57 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1750-gf78b372: Change a quote. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f78b372d2840 14:16:47 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-1751-gb133d3e: Don't let Box of Beasts crash on 0 Evo 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b133d3ed9c79 14:18:03 gammafunk: sounds like you're setting the floor tiles to the withered tree tile (which could explain the BG problem) 14:18:38 mumra: But doesn't TILE set the feature? TILE is what I'm using, not ftile 14:18:49 it sounds like there are no trees there 14:18:53 so TILE is setting the floor 14:19:01 ... maybe ... 14:19:10 I thought we had a different command for that 14:19:12