00:01:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1606-g53bcbbc (34) 00:07:33 -!- syncopath has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:57 -!- syncopath has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:48 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1607-g164a639: Don't segfault on "MONS = ;". 10(37 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=164a639f79f4 00:09:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:09:51 MONS = ; should make it a fish imo 00:10:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:11:07 <|amethyst> and ;;; should be a fish wielding another fish? 00:11:15 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1607-g164a639 (34) 00:14:07 big fish (09;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-31 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 8 | cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(16), 12drown | XP: 42 | Sz: little | Int: reptile. 00:14:07 <|amethyst> %?? ;;big fish 00:17:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:31 Not enough non-semicolons for ';' spec. 00:17:31 %?? ; 00:17:57 Not enough non-semicolons for ';;;;' spec. 00:17:57 %?? ;;;; 00:18:03 unknown monster: "x" 00:18:03 %?? ;;;;x;;; 00:19:05 |amethyst: anyway, it is most disappointing that I can't have the satisfaction of testing the "before" for kilobyte's change this way 00:19:48 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(4) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:19:48 %?? ;;;;orc;;; 00:21:30 -!- Rebthor_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 00:22:35 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:24:47 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:35:34 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1607-g164a639 00:38:57 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:39:46 i'm still looking into the spellcasting code and i see that the spellpower calculation calls a function stepdown_value which calls itself deprecated 00:40:17 what is all the extra code in stepdown_value for in the first place? 00:40:42 -!- takefour has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:20 -!- bogabada has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:50 <|amethyst> syncopath: to work like the old stepdown code did 00:41:53 we actually like to insult most of our code 00:42:26 so it doesn't mean a whole lot for a particular piece of code to consider itself deprecated ;-P 00:42:42 so the new stepdown is just: step * log(base / step) / log(2) 00:42:49 what was the old one like? 00:43:30 isn't that what |amethyst just told you all that "extra" code is for? 00:43:43 <|amethyst> well 00:43:49 that stuff is opaque to me i can't see what it does exactly 00:43:54 first_step i don't really get 00:43:57 <|amethyst> it's still just an approximation 00:44:28 <|amethyst> syncopath: the part below first_step isn't stepped down at all 00:44:43 ah ok ty 00:45:04 ahhh i see that now 00:45:05 thanks 00:45:49 <|amethyst> %git 81dbb70c 00:45:49 07galehar * 0.11-a0-1180-g81dbb70: A smooth stepdown function. 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 2 files, 38+ 47-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=81dbb70c507a 00:46:01 <|amethyst> see the ^- lines for how it used to be implemented 00:47:55 so the power coming from the spellpower calculation needs to be over 5000 before it's even subjected to stepdown 00:49:26 <|amethyst> yes; under 50 power it's linear 00:51:04 <|amethyst> originally it meant 'halve the part over 50, then halve the part over 100, then halve the part over 150, and cap at 200 00:51:08 <|amethyst> ' 00:51:15 <|amethyst> now it's an approximation to that 00:51:19 actually just realized that the call to stepdown_value is basically identical to calling stepdown because the stepping amount and first_step are equal 00:51:19 <|amethyst> but smoother 00:51:36 thanks for talking me through this 00:53:28 <|amethyst> well 00:53:50 <|amethyst> calling stepdown directly wouldn't be linear below the threshhold 00:54:03 yeah it actually seems like it increases it 00:54:06 <|amethyst> yeah 00:56:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:59 so my cobbled together rendition of the formula is only 3% off what the game shows at this point but that last little bit is going to be a bitch i think 01:03:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:05:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11:13 -!- UglyThing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:12:56 -!- korzok has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:21 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 24.0a1/20130613031237]] 01:22:17 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:22:44 for a player to have a 4% cast rate on a level 4 spell with 28 int, the formula seems to require a power of ~35 because of the breakpoints 01:23:04 my character has the cast rate i mentioned but only 15 spellpower, i'm a little confused 01:23:37 4% failure rate* 01:24:27 -!- UglyThing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:29:40 the failure formula for that spell is: 60 + 70 - 6 * (200 * 6 + 50 * 6)/100 - 2 * 28 = -16 01:30:05 in game the formula seems to be resulting in <-140 01:30:10 what's the discrepancy here? 01:34:28 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:44 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:34 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:28 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:45:33 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:45:34 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 01:48:34 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:54:29 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:56 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:08:06 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:02 -!- syncopath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:30 some luminaries of ##crawl have suggested giving Josephine Control Undead 02:20:43 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:35 haha 02:21:50 Does any unique have that? I guess not? 02:26:00 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:08 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:57 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:45 rchandra: i see rchandra, rchandra and rchandra suggested it 02:32:02 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:50 elliott: what about kryft and Pacra, don't they sort-of count 02:35:03 they count! 02:36:13 I mean they seem to have thought it was a cool idea 02:36:13 also I only saw rchandra request it once 02:36:52 So she'd only get to use it vs. an Ne for the most part? 02:37:23 Or would it make her summons do some kind of dance from Thriller 02:37:35 lol 02:37:37 just for necromancers, dks, etc 02:37:55 I assume she wouldn't cast it when it does nothing, like bolt of draining 02:38:06 oh I guess it would work vs Vp/Mu/Gh 02:38:21 you'd get confused as those species? 02:38:30 yeah 02:39:39 I thought control undead on Josephine sounded good yeah 02:41:55 wait is this actually a serious proposal :P 02:42:01 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:55 It'd be a massive headache for DK, at least potentially 02:44:43 Well there are others who abuse animate dead too! 02:45:31 Not sure that it's a great idea for changing a mid-level unique so that it's a much bigger pain for one class as well as users of one magic school 02:46:00 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:06 I was worried more about permanent servants for DK 02:46:39 But DK is already one of the easiest classes imo, so I doubt it'd matter much in the long run 02:47:47 it'd affect many kiku followers (and non-DK yred, etc) 02:48:27 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:48 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:50:40 -!- rebthor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:18 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:55:03 !lm * uniq=josephine / ((yred || kiku || ne || vp || gh || mu)) 02:55:04 6090/39111 milestones for * (uniq=josephine): N=6090/39111 (15.57%) 02:55:36 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Client Quit] 02:55:48 and there are definitely others affected. 02:58:44 -!- rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:59:15 !apt LO 02:59:16 LO: Fighting: 2, Short: 0, Long: 1, Axes: 2, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: -1, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Stab: 2, Shields: 1, Traps: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -3, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Fire: 2, Ice: -4*, Air: -3, Earth: 1, Poison: -1, Inv: 3!, Evo: 1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: 0 02:59:27 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:00:11 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:58 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14:07 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:57 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 03:20:34 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:20:35 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:58 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:21:12 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:24:20 -!- Notorion has quit [] 03:26:36 -!- ryan is now known as zero_one 03:26:50 -!- puppykicker has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:29:28 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:36 -!- Gilly has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:29:56 -!- William is now known as Guest36376 03:30:11 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:19 -!- Gilly has quit [Changing host] 03:32:37 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:42 SamB: you can build "monster" locally 03:36:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:47:03 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:51:46 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:49 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 03:51:50 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:14 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:58:49 -!- pelf is now known as ProzacElf 04:03:41 -!- letmeon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:07:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:07 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 04:17:51 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:22 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:58 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:23:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 04:23:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:30:34 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:00:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:09:54 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:28 -!- Vandal has quit [Client Quit] 05:11:40 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:17:56 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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As well as assorted weapons and armour, can start with a spellbook, a good consumable (from various potions/scrolls/wands), a memorised level 1 spell, identification knowledge of curing potions/teleport scrolls. 07:46:26 So can a wanderer start with any combo of anything 07:46:51 !polytheist 07:46:51 Unwon gods for kryft: Beogh, Fedhas, Xom, Yredelemnul, Zin 07:47:00 elliott: How's the recite patch coming along 07:47:20 i've been busy!! 07:47:34 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 07:48:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 07:48:59 Oh, wrong channel for the wanderer question actually 07:49:41 elliott: I guess I can't blame you for preferring homotopy type theory 08:05:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:06:17 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:55 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:09:49 -!- codile has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:10:14 -!- elliott has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 08:10:20 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:57 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:12:13 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:27 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1613-g8a054d5: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl into evoker-playstyle 10(4 days ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a054d581f05 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1629-g10e9bcd: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl into evoker-playstyle 10(24 hours ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=10e9bcd013c1 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1630-g3c262ad: Convert Tome of Destruction to Shard of Destruction 10(20 hours ago, 26 files, 78+ 113-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c262ad650d4 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1631-g9664516: Prevent evokers counting as an action when they didn't work 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9664516eb6b6 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1632-g74e4be9: Make shard work on number of charges and restructure failure effects 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 54+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74e4be94447f 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1633-ge65cf51: Add a new item Hand of Haunting 10(16 hours ago, 13 files, 108+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e65cf51b384f 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1634-g774717c: Tweak the beasts monster list 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=774717cad691 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1635-g87b4626: Pick 2nd and 3rd chimera components from lower levels sometimes 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 13+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87b4626b1858 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1636-gd574102: Improve chimera descriptions 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d574102ca318 08:17:34 03mumra 07[evoker-playstyle] * 0.13-a0-1637-gb3c3c74: Allow chimera to be batty 10(55 minutes ago, 6 files, 46+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3c3c7464d5e 08:17:34 ... and 2 more commits 08:20:23 -!- Virigoth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 08:21:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:43 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:46:22 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 08:47:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:48:42 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:52:24 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 08:53:53 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:10 -!- SkaryMonk1 is now known as SkaryMonk 09:04:22 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:53 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 09:12:08 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 09:12:13 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:20:47 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:58 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:22:23 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:06 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:24 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:40 -!- st_ has quit [] 09:31:57 -!- cupcak3s has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:32:30 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:34:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:23 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45:10 <|amethyst> what's the problem? 09:45:11 <|amethyst> doh 09:51:12 |amethyst: is it possible to change the start-message for a certain player? 09:51:32 <|amethyst> which start message? 09:51:41 will you fetch the orb of zot etc. 09:51:55 <|amethyst> what do you mean by "certain player"? 09:51:59 <|amethyst> by name? 09:52:03 Well, there's a guy called Morrowind.. 09:52:08 haha 09:52:09 pranks 09:52:15 Thought I'd explode his mind by putting the Morrowind-intro in the start message 09:52:17 :D 09:52:40 (it would be so totally evil! ... wait.. no..) 09:52:43 just funny 09:52:54 "Even last night's storm couldn't wake you up..." 09:53:11 <|amethyst> btw, it has been pointed out that clan morgues are being served up with the wrong encoding 09:53:20 okay? 09:53:24 that's weird 09:53:37 Apache-problem perhaps? 09:53:37 Or something else? 09:53:43 <|amethyst> the files are UTF-8 encoded, but they're being served up without an encoding 09:53:53 <|amethyst> yeah, apache config should do it 09:54:01 sec. fixing it. 09:56:17 <|amethyst> there arlso seems to be some kind of problem with ttyrecs but I don't know the details 09:56:22 <|amethyst> s/arl/al/ 09:58:09 <|amethyst> thanks 09:58:57 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:42 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:01:46 -!- dienosore has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:01:46 |amethyst: where would I see the difference? 10:01:55 eh. Still garbled 10:02:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:25 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:03:06 <|amethyst> oh? 10:03:19 <|amethyst> I was looking at the map in http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/bmfx/morgue-bmfx-20130614-125807.txt 10:03:32 <|amethyst> it was mojibake before; and is now readable 10:03:46 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/TZer0/TZer0.map 10:03:52 It this normal? :/ 10:04:03 <|amethyst> looks normal to me 10:04:09 The map that is 10:04:13 it has some weird characters 10:04:34 <|amethyst> the water looks like ≈ to me 10:04:47 So.. just my client messing up then 10:04:59 Oh well. Back to correcting exams -_- 10:05:04 boy this will be fun... :/ 10:05:10 <|amethyst> oh 10:05:29 <|amethyst> TZer0: actually, it looks like that one isn't serving up a content-type at all 10:05:41 map looks fine to me... but my browser is set to utf8-dammit :p 10:06:06 <|amethyst> Yeah, I could see this one being messed up for some people 10:06:58 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:07:30 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:34 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:02 Now this is just weird 10:16:33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 10:16:48 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:49 oh.. 10:17:51 it seems to be working 10:18:01 Almost.. 10:20:36 Right.. so .txt-files are being served correctly 10:20:41 but .map-files are still messed up 10:22:23 ugh, tile_cell_pixels actually looks pretty bad at 48 (contrary to docs) 10:22:43 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:10 and tile_filter_scaling shows tearing :S 10:25:13 Is it just assumed that anyone increasing the size of the tiles size would do so in multiples of 32? 10:29:01 Lava Orcs can't turn off boots of flight over lava by Maha 10:29:39 But what if Lava Orcs are scared of falling down? D: 10:35:55 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:35:57 xFleury: unless you want to implement some sort of filtering that isn't nearest-neighbor 10:37:04 well, it already has filtering; linear filtering is tile_filter_scaling=true 10:37:51 however, the way the SDL client performs the scaling, results in sampling outside of the source rectangle, causing artifacts between the quads 10:38:11 -!- odiv has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:25 Hey guys. I think I found a bug. What's the process? 10:38:40 ??mantis 10:38:41 bug[1/2]: To report bugs, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 10:38:46 thanks 10:38:46 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:16 <|amethyst> what is it? 10:39:18 easiest solution involves adding an OpenGL fbo to the rendering process, but that might raise the system requiremenets 10:39:41 Two randarts with the same name in a shop. I add one to shopping list and they both get added. 10:39:59 I remove it, they both get removed. 10:40:02 <|amethyst> odiv: are they different randarts? 10:40:06 yep 10:40:13 <|amethyst> oh, wow 10:40:14 the amulet of the King {rCorr Hunger +Blink +Rage rElec Int-2 Dam+5} 10:40:17 the amulet of the King {rCorr +Fly} 10:40:32 <|amethyst> hmm 10:40:48 rofl, are they matching the shop items by their names or something? xD 10:40:51 <|amethyst> definitely worth reporting... not sure how to best prevent that 10:40:56 <|amethyst> xFleury: for artefacts, yes 10:41:05 dont ruin plogs 10:41:08 If I have enough gold would it accidentally buy both? 10:41:10 afaik... that 10:41:11 specialcase plog if you have to 10:41:35 also I wonder if that would affect the rings of the Octopus King 10:42:08 Don't allow generating two items with the same name in a single game? Altough Octopus King still exists... 10:43:07 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:43:24 (also, while there is surely more than one king, they're probably both egotistical enough to have named their personal special amulet that...) 10:43:32 <|amethyst> odiv: could you upload a save (or post a save backup URL) in your report? 10:43:37 :) 10:44:04 Yeah, probably. I don't want to make an account right now so I'll just stop playing until I have time to do everything. 10:44:13 <|amethyst> odiv: is this online? 10:44:15 When I look at my list, just the one item is on it though. 10:44:20 yep. CSZO. 10:44:23 <|amethyst> odiv: you can do a save backup now 10:44:35 <|amethyst> then write down the URL and keep playing 10:45:09 <|amethyst> %git f1ae18b5 10:45:27 07|amethyst * 0.13-a0-1449-gf1ae18b: Distinguish randarts more carefully (#7160) 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1ae18b5e2d9 10:45:48 <|amethyst> (before that commit, having different names wouldn't have been enough to distinguish) 10:46:42 <|amethyst> it's not enough for just the name to be the same 10:46:50 <|amethyst> has to be the same base type and subtype too 10:47:01 <|amethyst> (in this case, amulet of rCorr) 10:47:23 <|amethyst> we could check artefact props 10:47:33 -!- tali713 has quit [*.net *.split] 10:47:34 -!- SamB has quit [*.net *.split] 10:47:36 -!- _sk has quit [*.net *.split] 10:47:38 -!- atrodo has quit [*.net *.split] 10:49:02 Was there ever a build of DCSS that used 48px tiles? 10:49:13 <|amethyst> actually 10:49:39 <|amethyst> I wonder if it would work to just return false for artefacts 10:51:19 Was about to ask that 10:51:30 <|amethyst> have to look into how items_similar is called 10:51:38 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:29 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:36 <|amethyst> I have a feeling it's called with item_infos somewhere 10:52:46 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53:00 Yeah, perhaps it's better to just write a complete comparision 10:53:02 Theoretically too identical randarts could generate of course :) 10:53:07 -!- mason- has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:53:08 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53:15 <|amethyst> but then there isn't a problem :) 10:53:43 -!- zkyp has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:53:44 -!- ekix has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:54:05 -!- russ_ has quit [Excess Flood] 10:55:07 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 10:56:24 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:56:26 -!- atomicth1mbs has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:58 The whole similiar thing with shopping list could use a bit of work. 10:58:16 It adds all similiar items, even if you only really need one. 10:58:31 It removes all of them, even if you buy just one. 10:58:56 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:22 Well on the actual shopping list it only shows the one. But when I'm in the shop, both are tagged. 11:00:09 <|amethyst> odiv: that's the same behaviour as when you have two +0,+0 maces in the same shop 11:00:26 ah 11:00:37 <|amethyst> (or two scrolls of identify) 11:00:57 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:58 <|amethyst> I think Medar is right, the UI could be cleaned up quite a bit here 11:01:59 <|amethyst> I wonder if anyone has ever received two artefacts with identical subtype and name before odiv 11:02:03 <|amethyst> much less in the same shop :) 11:02:46 omg what do I win? 11:03:27 a bug? 11:06:45 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:07:41 Fair enough. 11:08:31 In Soviet-Crawl, bugs have a one in a million chance of finding you! 11:08:33 xD 11:08:45 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:09:30 -!- notlainiw has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:37 if I added an artifact property, is _get_randart_properties() in artefact.cc what I need to modify to get that property put on unrandarts? 11:15:47 Do you guys still want me to save? Or should I bother since you know what it is? 11:16:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:42 If so, how do I point to a save backup url? 11:17:25 odiv: saving could still be useful in case nobody fixes it now and someone wants to reproduce it easily in the future 11:17:31 <|amethyst> odiv: a save would still be useful for testing, since replicating the situation is kind of difficult 11:17:36 which server are you on? 11:17:59 <|amethyst> !lm odiv x=src,tiles 11:17:59 5305. [2013-06-14 15:21:12] [src=cszo;tiles=false] odiv the Covered (L7 DsWn) killed Blork the orc on turn 4764. (D:5) 11:18:02 cszo. I'll log back on. 11:18:17 <|amethyst> odiv: from the menu for trunk, select (A)dvanced then (B)ackup 11:18:24 <|amethyst> odiv: that will give you a URL to copy-paste 11:19:20 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:28 Backup [n]ormal save character? 11:19:31 <|amethyst> yes 11:19:39 <|amethyst> (as opposed to sprint or zotdef) 11:19:44 heh, I guess I have to hit n? 11:19:53 I tried both enter and y. 11:19:54 <|amethyst> oh, hm 11:20:00 <|amethyst> I guess 'n' 11:20:03 <|amethyst> that seems 11:20:15 http://dobrazupa.org/saves/odiv-crawl-git-53bcbbc315-130614-1620.tar.bz2 11:20:20 <|amethyst> like it could use some work :) 11:20:20 There we go. 11:20:38 I guess I'll make an account to report the bug later. 11:21:58 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 11:22:12 <|amethyst> thanks 11:22:38 <|amethyst> xFleury: we don't really have any local tiles devs at the moment 11:22:56 <|amethyst> xFleury: There's frogbotherer (who did the Android port) but I've not seen him in months 11:23:25 <|amethyst> and Enne is retired 11:23:40 <|amethyst> or, "indefinite hiatus" 11:23:53 |amethyst: quick question: if I added an artifact property, is _get_randart_properties() in artefact.cc all I need to modify to get that property put on unrandarts? 11:24:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:34 <|amethyst> err 11:24:46 <|amethyst> do you mean randarts? 11:24:52 sorry 11:24:52 yes 11:25:36 The property is otherwise working in e.g. wizmode 11:26:20 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Changing host] 11:28:17 <|amethyst> trying to find the last time a randart property was added 11:28:31 <|amethyst> most of the recent ARTPs aren't used on randarts 11:28:58 yeah, I should try git searches like that for these questions 11:29:06 |amethyst: that has me tempted to spend a bit of time patching it up; `re-sizable window` and `proper linear scaling` are two features I'd like to see in it. 11:29:55 <|amethyst> xFleury: it would be greatly appreciated 11:30:26 <|amethyst> xFleury: there are other things that are even worse... apparently if you click fast enough and time it just right, you can cast spells without taking any time 11:30:30 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:32 help! my crawl crashes whenever I try to move the window http://pastebin.com/qmRC6avg 11:31:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:31:23 well, it doesn't really crash, just freezes 11:32:10 <|amethyst> myrmidette: other opengl programs work fine? 11:32:16 yes 11:33:20 <|amethyst> hm 11:33:57 <|amethyst> myrmidette: report it on mantis 11:34:15 well, it's happened before, but maybe for a different reason 11:34:22 restarting xorg usually fixes it 11:35:01 <|amethyst> yeah, I'm inclined to think it's a driver issue but don't know for sure 11:35:14 <|amethyst> but if other programs work fine that's questionable 11:35:58 -!- xFleury has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:00 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:37:18 meh I'll just restart xorg 11:37:30 -!- myrmidette has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:36 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:39:25 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:40:01 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:41:19 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:43:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:46:56 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:32 |amethyst: fwiw, I copied the lines in _get_randart_properties() for adding +Rage and adapted them, and I get randarts with my property from acquire now 11:53:40 * xFleury hates his router; lost internet on most applications until router was restarted. 11:54:26 I put all my networking equpment on a UPS. But I still lose Internet access when the power goes out. :( 11:55:15 having all your equipment on ups is useless if there's a box on the utility pole or etc. that requires mains power :/ 11:55:39 The very odd thing is that one application was still working, I was chatting to others in it. Yet nothing else had internet, not even on my iPad which uses an alternative DNS server (Google DNS). 11:55:42 -!- heteroy has quit [Client Quit] 11:55:56 From all devices I tested, I couldn't access the router's HTTP page (192.168.0.1). 11:59:19 bet your ups was a little late with the switchover and the router glitched 12:07:35 Cryp71c: I just thought the message was funny, actually ;-) 12:08:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1610-g3e32d0a (34) 12:08:24 well the point of UPSes is more to allow you to ignore transient power fluctuations and shut down devices in an orderly manner than to maintain long-term continuous power, since that requires either a big ol' battery or a switchover to a generator 12:10:38 of course, a UPS does facilitate switchover rather well, doesn't it? 12:10:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:11:03 I mean how else are you going to have power until the generator starts up right? 12:12:53 odiv: yeah, it sounds like your ISP doesn't have a UPS on all *their* networking gear ... 12:13:27 SamB: Yep. Unfortunately they do in other parts of town. Just not in my area. 12:13:38 maybe tell them about it 12:13:41 I might call them eventually since we get more power outages in the summer. 12:13:43 it might be an accident 12:13:47 I just kind of dread that call. 12:13:48 wait, does that make sense to UPS those hubs on the streets? 12:13:59 "When the power goes out so does my Internet access." "..." 12:14:04 if the power goes out in the neighbourhood, can't they assume the power is out for their home users? 12:14:12 Yeah, pretty much. 12:14:41 odiv: maybe it'd help if you said "external power" 12:14:42 <|amethyst> does that mean you lose phone service when the power goes out? 12:15:00 phone services are different, they're self-powered from the line 12:15:06 I've heard more and more places aren't providing POTS :-( 12:15:28 <|amethyst> xFleury: I mean people who have phone though their cable provider 12:15:29 oh :| 12:15:29 <|amethyst> s/though/through/ 12:16:13 <|amethyst> if you can bill it as a safety concern you might be able to get people to listen 12:16:30 <|amethyst> regulators, that is, not necessarily the cable company directly 12:16:51 yeah 12:17:07 i got ogre toss working 12:17:08 they'll likely redirect you to the "Skype/VoIP/etc cannot be used to make emergency calls.". 12:17:10 "I can't get a dialtone for 911 when the power is out" 12:17:24 "I didn't ask for VoIP" 12:18:24 <|amethyst> at least here (Kentucky) the cable companies weren't allowed to offer phone service until they get 911 working 12:18:26 xFleury: I assume this is for where you're also paying for plain telephone service 12:19:01 <|amethyst> they now give dire warnings about how you can't move your modem to a different address without contacting them 12:19:27 <|amethyst> since the address reported to E911 is tied to your modem 12:19:36 huh 12:20:37 I actually don't know exactly how our provider implements telephone; it's nothing to do with our cable modem anyway 12:22:13 re "went he power goes out so does my internet" they might take that more seriously for a business class account. also it's not *tht* out of line, for an IT type who sometimes works from home you realy want to be able to cleanly shut down your remote sessions in that case 12:22:48 <|amethyst> I had a cable outage several months ago... finally, after a few hours, saw a guy in a cable co. truck a few houses down. Mentioned the outage, and he said "yeah, this whole block is out, but we've only gotten one call about it" 12:23:07 <|amethyst> I told him I would have called if the phone worked :/ 12:23:07 I bet they couldn't find the number 12:23:17 that would do it too 12:23:42 <|amethyst> I guess most people have cell phones, so then what SamB said 12:23:58 a while back our ISP seemed to have underprovisioned our loop 12:24:21 it's like "darn, internet's out so I can't look up the number on the website :-(" 12:24:44 "what did we do with that last bill ..." 12:24:49 <|amethyst> "Sign up for online billing!" 12:24:54 that's what the 3g phone is for :E 12:25:00 yeah right 12:25:17 then what if you forget to pay 12:25:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:25:34 <|amethyst> Then they'll send an email to your ISP email account 12:25:39 <|amethyst> the one that everyone reads regularly 12:25:43 your what now 12:26:27 ISP email accounts…nostalgia 12:26:33 <|amethyst> that way when you do pay the bill, you can see the message that said you missed your payment 12:27:16 yeah but how are you gonna know where to send the money 12:27:26 <|amethyst> that's in the email too 12:27:38 maybe if they had "online billing with paper reminders about missed payments" 12:28:35 Better be more like "online billing or a 6 foot, 300lb dude shows up at your door" for me to remember 12:29:07 well at least this way you'd have something to look at when they cut you off 12:29:38 (I'm assuming they'd mail the reminders sufficiently in advance of cutting you off) 12:30:25 (I'm also assuming they'd keep basic phone service active a bit longer) 12:32:01 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34:42 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:53 -!- Guest36376 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:34 -!- Agraya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47:27 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1611-g0407d63: Idiomize (anthem) 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0407d63d9bca 12:51:02 * xFleury ponders how long it would take save files to load if they consisted of just user-commands and required re-computing everything that had occurred. 12:51:22 <|amethyst> that would be nearly impossible to get right 12:51:37 <|amethyst> if you change anything in the game, old saves would all desync 12:52:05 Save all the non-deterministic results? 12:52:24 <|amethyst> gammafunk: even deterministic things change 12:52:46 sorry, I meant that as, how could you just save the commands 12:53:15 <|amethyst> I figured xFleury means commands and a seed 12:53:35 yeah, that's true 12:53:39 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:53:57 <|amethyst> but even commands plus the full sequence of random numbers (including knowing which number was used for which decision) wouldn't be enough 12:54:08 <|amethyst> Imagine we change ogres to have one more HP than they used to 12:54:39 <|amethyst> now when you killed that ogre on turn 1259, you actually only brought it down to 1 HP 12:55:35 yah, I hadn't remembered about that issue; the saves could only be reliably loaded on the versions of crawl that created them 12:56:42 I can't even think of a way to update the saves to a newer version 12:56:53 it would be impossible 12:57:03 however you could use such tech to play back webtiles games 12:57:26 since you could load the recording in the correct version on the server 12:58:14 footv for web tiles would be awesome 12:58:28 * xFleury ponders how willing players would be to a policy of "finish your games before updating crawl". 12:58:37 technically, it _would_ be possible, I don't want to code that kind of save compat though 12:58:40 <|amethyst> xFleury: no 12:58:50 <|amethyst> xFleury: that means we can't fix bugs affecting existing games 12:59:32 well, you could, you'd just have to be check-out older revisions of the code 12:59:33 I heard someone mention that brogue does something like this 12:59:40 But I haven't actually checked 12:59:45 alternatively, one could keep a batch of old executables to replay every session 12:59:55 <|amethyst> Medar: brogue AIUI generates the entire dungeon at the beginning of the game 13:00:12 <|amethyst> Medar: so player actions can't influence the dungeon; that probably helps somewhat 13:00:25 Right 13:00:29 you can't do it without checkpointing anyway for speed reasons: reloading would take as much CPU as the whole game so far, and Crawl isn't a speed demon 13:00:47 That's definately something you want to decide on very early in the development anyway :P 13:01:14 <|amethyst> we probably have *most* of what we need to do webtiles playback 13:01:17 WebTiles footv shouldn't be that hard btw 13:01:22 Medar: it's possible to do so in Crawl, for everything but troves and Lair:8 13:01:23 yah, that was my first concern; the performance 13:01:31 ("acquire any") 13:01:32 most games are like 30k-60k turns right? 13:01:46 <|amethyst> Medar: I was thinking to capture the json stream 13:02:03 Yep, that should do it. Just need to add timing information. 13:02:22 Then probably some index and checkpoints with full snapshots, so you don't have to watch it from beginning every time 13:02:47 Mu_: what's the point of that rocked-in room in tar_mu? It's nothing but a trap for curious but unspoiled players who dig for treasure. 13:03:01 <|amethyst> Medar: the only problem is, what happens when that game version is removed from the server? 13:03:14 <|amethyst> Medar: seems like you would have to keep the tilesheets forever 13:03:23 <|amethyst> Medar: (all of game_data that is) 13:04:08 I guess limiting playback for a recent set for WebTiles footv would be reasonable since we still have ttyrecs 13:04:37 i saw those ttyrecs; still can't believe that's what resorted to 13:04:41 kilobyte: it probably made more sense when the map still had secret doors 13:04:56 i think that's how brogue does recordings and they're really buggy and desync loads 13:04:56 MarvinPA: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:05:03 also that's how it does saves 13:05:07 kilobyte: i'm kind of surprised that tar_mu is still in the game now that there are no secret doors actually 13:05:08 You'd want newer game_data to support older replays up to some point. Not sure how to deal with tile mappings changing, but... 13:05:12 (and they're really buggy and desync loads) 13:05:16 (or maybe not loads, but still) 13:05:17 Anyway, that's why it's probably not doing quite yet. 13:05:55 Better finish some other WebTiles features first, and hope the json protocol is more stable later 13:06:00 <|amethyst> xFleury: well, that's also how console players are able to watch webtiles games 13:06:36 <|amethyst> xFleury: so we'd still want ttyrecs in addition to json recordings 13:07:16 would the json recordings actually be stored as json on-disk? 13:07:27 <|amethyst> I hope not :) 13:07:42 hmm, might not be too bad with compression ... 13:07:52 <|amethyst> you'd still want an index 13:07:55 yeah, good compression is probably better than trying to do some magic manually 13:08:04 index for sure though, but that can be json too :) 13:08:04 yeah 13:09:42 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:03 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 13:13:33 -!- LoremIpsum_ is now known as LoremIpsum 13:14:15 <|amethyst> Medar: tilesets aren't the only reason to use the game_data for the correct version: tile flags could be removed (or renumbered) 13:14:26 <|amethyst> Medar: so you need the correct version of the js 13:17:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:02 -!- anthem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:21 <|amethyst> OTOH things like dat/ don't need to be saved 13:19:33 -!- Villadelfia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:47 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:48 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:19:54 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20:21 -!- ahpla has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:34 <|amethyst> (well, dat/tiles does obviously) 13:21:21 <|amethyst> still, it looks like the stuff that needs to be preserved forever for webtiles recordings is only about 10 MiB per trunk version 13:21:50 <|amethyst> out of around 100 MiB per trunk version to be playable 13:21:53 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:58 <|amethyst> (the binary is huge) 13:23:01 <|amethyst> and much of that is actually the same from one version to the next 13:23:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:24 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:24:39 <|amethyst> so a lot of space could be saved with judicious application of rsync --link-dest 13:26:44 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:32 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29:55 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35:58 -!- marcmagu1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40:59 * xFleury is still pondering away at a way. 13:44:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:13 in an unrelated matter, when did food stop causing "nausea"? that was an interesting mechanic 13:46:38 it went away because it was uninteresting and annoying 13:48:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:50:37 come to think of it, there doesn't seem to even be anyway to get that status even; no monster seems to induce "nausea" on the player 13:50:52 <|amethyst> %git f280897 13:50:53 07kilobyte * 0.13-a0-537-gf280897: Cure all nausea, permanently. 10(3 months ago, 17 files, 24+ 147-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2808973ab0a 13:51:26 is there a discussion thread for that commit? 13:51:33 -!- rwbarton has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:52:32 xFleury: yes. 13:52:35 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7905 13:52:35 <|amethyst> not really; you could try searching for "nausea" in the crawl-dev logs 13:52:41 <|amethyst> and there are probably tavern threads 13:52:43 <|amethyst> oh 13:53:09 Autotravel does not stop for passive ballists by XuaXua 13:53:43 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:59 xFleury: basically it was discussed here and everyone went "yeah, why hasn't that branch been merged yet" 13:54:08 and kilobyte said "go ahead and merge it" 13:54:10 so i did :P 13:54:12 mumra: lol.. that link.. that's like... that's not a discussion that's a victory party 13:58:14 lol 14:01:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:46 <|amethyst> some discussion here https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5568 14:03:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:03:24 mumra: not me actually, I wasn't there for the actual merge 14:03:31 I did that commit, though 14:03:39 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:04:07 kilobyte: yeah you were away but you were on irc and said go ahead and push it 14:04:08 but precise blame isn't that important if multiple folks hated nausea 14:04:10 i pushed it 14:04:27 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:55 found it: http://sprunge.us/HVJT 14:06:13 not a lot of discussion that time 14:06:32 tbh, since the chance, I've never felt the need for rings of sustenance, amulets of gourmand, or even stockpiling perma-food. I've also consistently had quite the excess of potions of curing. 14:06:57 people used curing on nausia? 14:07:11 I also wasn't significantly hindered by contaminated chucks, since if you didn't wait till your hunger was very great, it was rarely dangerous to risk nausea 14:08:15 though, I can only speak for MiBe and TeFE/AE 14:09:26 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:34 regular lava and endless lava having exactly the same glyph+colour is bad, especially for flyers and lava orcs 14:09:49 there's a magical wall in Geh, for example 14:10:56 Maybe nausea only affecting eating contaminated chunks might have worked... but I'm way late to the party :) 14:11:30 kilobyte: change the color then maybe? 14:12:01 Medar: It wouldn't be dangerous that way. 14:12:08 <|amethyst> why not change the glyph? 14:12:15 <|amethyst> open sea is # 14:12:26 remove food 14:12:29 <|amethyst> I guess we have red walls in places already though 14:12:31 oh, is it? whatever 14:12:38 No, but there would also not be infinite food in orc etc. 14:12:50 or rather 14:12:55 remove all races that need to eat 14:12:56 yes but who cares about the difference between wall and open lava 14:15:14 the arguments I'm reading about nausea being "annoying" seem to apply just as so about hunger in general 14:16:14 eating is boring 14:16:23 there is no strategy 14:16:29 everyone knows this 14:17:10 it's true, I think what they really wanted was removing hunger in general 14:17:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:22 removing nausea was just a step in that direction 14:17:32 <|amethyst> removing hunger in general requires something to replace it 14:18:28 what about only needing to eat every once in a while 14:18:45 and the hunger states doing something 14:18:51 other than starving 14:18:56 which already does 14:19:19 what if there were only like 10 rations in the dungeon 14:20:02 and being in the green 14:20:07 -!- Xenobreeder|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:10 gave you like a small buff 14:20:29 and yellow was a small malus 14:21:35 <|amethyst> and no chunks? 14:21:39 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:42 no eating chunks 14:21:51 but they are there for necromancers 14:22:42 would need to do something about fruit though 14:23:15 make it all one fruit, and then let you set the name of that fruit in the .rc file or else it's random, and 14:23:24 <|amethyst> you know there's already a version of crawl without food? 14:23:32 crawl lite? 14:23:37 <|amethyst> yeah 14:23:47 i think all that was needed was just having hunger status occur less frequently, to be less annoying. perhaps buff the danger of nausea even to compensate 14:24:05 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 14:24:10 no support for bringing back nausea in any form on my end 14:24:15 what does crawl lite do with fedhas 14:24:16 also have you heard of retching 14:24:17 I thought you were going to say the version of crawl without food is 'play a mummy or djinni' 14:24:28 lexackson: fruit is just there 14:24:43 but you can't eat i guess 14:24:45 that works 14:25:54 it is kind of amusing that dtsund liked hive as a "relaxing break" so hive and bees are flavoured around random potions instead 14:26:14 (also bee castle because there is no end of mockery for bee castle but whatever) 14:28:31 Spell failure rate is too discreet by doublep 14:28:50 what if instead of hunger you got glow from spells 14:29:10 that is what lite does yes 14:29:14 oh 14:29:15 well 14:29:18 <|amethyst> that is also what djinn do 14:29:18 and it is not particularly great for djinn 14:29:20 merge 14:29:31 lite forked in _0.8_ 14:29:44 well you should probably not be a striaght caster as a djinn anyways 14:29:55 lite is a very different game from crawl now 14:30:08 only silly people play straight casters anyway 14:30:32 it's pretty easy with new cj actually 14:30:33 but yeah 14:30:36 in general 14:30:57 -!- kronusdark has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:31:25 I like how monsters-chasing-across-stairs was the solution for no hunger resulting in every race mummy-stabbing 14:31:47 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:31:54 and how instead of making things harder it meant you could stairdance without getting the hits but still getting corridors 14:32:16 <|amethyst> straight caster: http://img1.fastenal.com/productimages/7055532.jpg hybrid caster: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AjxIy1wBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg 14:32:35 lol 14:32:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:45 speak of the devil 14:33:38 well, on that note, ill be back later. Time to drive home from work. 14:33:57 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:49 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:35:57 03Medar 07* 0.13-a0-1612-g0605061: Remove a pointless footer from WebTiles 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=060506114a34 14:38:17 <|amethyst> Medar: but how will people know that is the footer? :) 14:38:32 <|amethyst> "Footer intentionally left blank." 14:39:25 Hehe. 14:39:57 14:40:13 <|amethyst> !lg * place=d:1 killer=~dwarf s=killer 14:40:22 8 games for * (place=d:1 killer=~dwarf): 4x a deep dwarf, an unborn deep dwarf, a deep dwarf berserker, a hill dwarf, a deep dwarf death knight 14:40:39 -!- thann has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:47 <|amethyst> !lg * d:1 killer=~hill_dwarf -tv 14:40:50 1. xomscumming, XL3 VpCK, T:6819 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 14:41:31 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:38 -!- gluup_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:53 -!- kronusdark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52:40 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:33 It looks like the removal of nausea was such a minor change to the code that re-adding didn't risk breaking anything. 14:56:01 Since I've already got my own personal fork of the code (my "no-respawn" build), I think I'll add nausea back to it. xD 14:56:04 -!- sepik121 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:58:23 But why would you do that? :v 14:59:14 I'm convinced players wanted hunger removed entirely, not just nausea. 14:59:51 And I think hunger plays well in a rogue-like, so I'm against the removal of nausea. 15:00:45 Are you sure you're not confusing an annoying mechanic that serves no purpose but to annoy anyone better than a newbie with a substantial mechanic in the game? 15:00:58 <|amethyst> that's a specious argument... the question is, does *nausea* play well 15:01:14 Bloax: you're describing hunger :P 15:01:42 No, because hunger while being annoying is quite substantial. 15:01:43 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:02:01 Unlike nausea which only serves to annoy those that don't spam spells that take up too much nutrition. 15:05:51 hunger is annoying but sensible. hunger plus nausea is just plain annoying 15:07:46 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:45 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:10:16 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:10:54 -!- Zermako has quit [] 15:11:20 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:41 -!- six40sword has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:16:14 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:54 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 15:17:56 -!- ohms has quit [Client Quit] 15:20:40 -!- ohms has quit [Client Quit] 15:22:00 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:24:40 -!- Gmork_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:26:33 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 15:26:35 -!- Camicio has quit [] 15:33:34 !seen ontoclasm 15:33:35 I last saw ontoclasm at Fri Jun 14 16:08:45 2013 UTC (4h 24m 49s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Leaving.'. 15:35:08 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:40:56 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:22 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:16 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:12 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:53 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:59:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:52 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:07:19 -!- mason--- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:59 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1613-g49bb251: Remove misleading spell colours 10(81 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49bb25104d94 16:11:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:12:59 -!- rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:16:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:20:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:35:38 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:24 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:10 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:39:52 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:42:18 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:22 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:44:44 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:48:42 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:48:55 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:53:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:53:31 -!- UglyThing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:56:12 -!- Agraya has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:46 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:57 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:55 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01:02 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:05 -!- Afghan has quit [] 17:04:35 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:04:46 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: IceChat - Its what Cool People use] 17:12:39 !tell mumra I've tidied up any missing bits I could think of in the jump patch and put the latest version in mantis. Let me know if there's anything else that needs doing, otherwise I'll wait for an update to the report. 17:12:40 gammafunk: OK, I'll let mumra know. 17:13:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:22:16 gammafunk: looks cool, i'll have to try it 17:22:16 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:25:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:27:50 gammafunk: i'm not too sure about the dragoon background 17:28:15 a wacky gadget like jumping boots seems more in the domain of Artificer to me ;) 17:28:51