00:01:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:02:39 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:03:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:03:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:03:33 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:05:42 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1577-g2bae144 (34) 00:11:41 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 00:21:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:23:40 -!- ground4 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:23:58 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:21 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:31:42 -!- Q-Flex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:55 -!- jeffrom has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:40:47 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:42:22 -!- ZRN_ is now known as ZRN 00:44:21 -!- dienosore has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:37 Napalm affecting character in water by blazinghand 00:50:16 -!- Arkaniad|Desktop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 00:50:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 00:51:47 WalkerBoh the Executioner (L15 LOFi), worshipper of Trog, blown up by an eye of devastation on D:17 (hangedman_surveillance_ring), with 100045 points after 28268 turns and 1:40:50. 00:51:48 xD 00:51:48 that 00:51:48 was 00:51:48 retarded 00:51:49 can we not make all three stairs go into there? 00:56:32 if you cut that, you need to cut the oklob stair vaults. leave it, imo. 00:57:25 haha the oklob vaults are the exact other one i was thinking of like this 00:57:38 but even that's not as bad cuz it's downstairs, you can't just walk into it 00:57:45 (i hate the oklob vaults) 00:59:49 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:56 rchandra: note that the request was not to cut the vault, but merely to not funnel all the stairs through it 01:00:10 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:10 which it doesn't 01:00:48 sequell puzzle! generate a list of players who entered tomb for the first time after getting the orb 01:01:00 s/cut/replace teeth with marshmallows/ 01:02:28 zannick : !lm * br.enter=tomb status=~glow might get some, but with extras? 01:02:58 too bad -ctele isn't a status 01:03:12 and it might not help, depending on if it counts tomb's -ctele 01:03:19 and i guess that wouldn't pick up if anyone did it before the orb granted -ctele 01:03:47 fr: orb grants Slow 01:04:00 ugh 01:04:03 or ledas 01:04:54 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:05:10 hmm, what uses ENCH_TEMP_PACIF 01:05:44 Can't seem to find anything that sets that 01:05:47 are entrance vaults with 3 upstairs supposed to be no longer a thing? 01:06:19 rchandra: no, everyone loves evilmike_ambush afaik 01:06:45 elliptic: but branches and D don't have 3 upstairs, right? 01:06:52 oh, you mean branch entrances 01:06:55 rchandra: well, it's less bad when vaults do it because usually the stairs are close together then 01:06:55 yeah 01:06:55 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:07:06 but maybe it doesn't actually WORK anymore 01:07:20 my current game has 3 upstairs on d:1 01:07:24 I don't know if all the entrance vaults with 3 upstairs were changed yet, but I'm pretty sure the plan was to do so 01:08:01 I'll just exit to give you the vault name, my stats are not relevant yet. 01:08:03 I still say I like the temples as is 01:08:11 or as they were or whatever 01:08:18 Changelog says D can still have multiple upstairs 01:08:25 *exits 01:08:44 oh. oops :( lemuel_entry_behind_the_door_small, minmay_vboxes 01:08:55 ench_pacif was originally ench_neutral, and it looks like it was used for recite 01:09:16 Zannick: Ok, thanks. 01:09:23 ?? recite 01:09:24 recite[1/3]: Causes various effects to chaotic, unclean, evil or heretical creatures in view. Four-turn action, with strength depending on piety and invocations. Effects scale from things like confusion and fear on humanoids, to smiting and instakilling chaotic creatures, to permanently blinding or paralysing heretic priests. 01:09:41 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:31 03Medar 07* 0.13-a0-1578-ge26ce9e: Beogh convert: Priest must be awake, not-confused 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e26ce9e59ca3 01:12:31 03Medar 07* 0.13-a0-1579-g36d089c: Make enslaved priests neutral on Beogh conversion 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36d089cf0d1e 01:17:44 yeah, there was a big recite refactoring where it stopped being used 01:18:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:12 %git 70f1de6 01:19:12 07Eronarn * 0.8.0-a0-4783-g70f1de6: Reroll of Zin recite patch. 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 28 files, 1515+ 214-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70f1de6c0081 01:22:09 -!- dupo has quit [] 01:28:26 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:28:55 I'll remove the left over code then 01:29:29 Altough, I don't know how to deal with the enum. Just leave it and add a comment? 01:29:53 Or can it still be in old saves, and the remaining code should stick around. 01:30:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:30:27 well how long ago was the refactoring? 01:30:40 See above. 01:30:53 <|amethyst> 2.4 years :) 01:31:02 I think you can remove the code handling it, yeah 01:31:04 :P 01:31:15 I saw only the 5 months part first 01:31:18 I mean, it's best if things won't, like, crash 01:31:26 <|amethyst> remember that you can't just delete an ENCH enum 01:31:31 yeah he knows 01:31:42 we have an #if thing you can do instead of making a comment 01:32:08 <|amethyst> hm 01:32:14 * SamB forgets exactly how it goes though 01:32:31 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:30 #if MAJOR_VERSION == something 01:34:48 34 01:35:09 but you have to be careful because it could break trunk save compat 01:35:10 Ok. Anything else? 01:35:16 * SamB scrolled up and pulled that from the (34) at the end of one of the *ell messages 01:35:41 or...i dunno when the bump is done 01:36:00 trunk/not is mostly irrelevant right now 01:36:02 it might be 35 at trunk now, and you can change it to #if MAJOR_VERSION < 36 01:36:08 whatever works 01:36:10 <|amethyst> it's 34 for trunk now 01:36:18 There is already == 34 for ENCH_SLOUCH 01:36:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1577-g2bae144 (34) 01:36:21 <|amethyst> it's TAG_MAJOR_VERSION, btw 01:36:23 it seems to have been 34 for everything 01:36:27 So I guess I'll just do the same 01:36:34 er, s/everything/a while/ 01:36:38 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:38 that says (34), so it's 34 ;-) 01:36:39 <|amethyst> see tag-version.h 01:37:11 of course tag-version.h is definitive, not Sizzell 01:37:29 ah, okay 01:39:56 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:40:15 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:43 03Medar 07* 0.13-a0-1580-g078c03f: Remove unused ENCH_TEMP_PACIF code 10(62 seconds ago, 4 files, 5+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=078c03fe54a5 01:42:08 indesctrictuble scroll? : A scroll labeled DEZESTR MUENTUC. The floor. 01:42:08 There is a cloud of flame here. 01:42:39 the cloud is above the ground 01:43:57 rchandra: apparently there is a user-defined command !orbruntomb 01:44:03 I see. so flame clouds never hit scrolls in the ground now, just fire bolts? RoF buff 01:44:14 Zannick: yes, I thought you wanted all of them! 01:44:17 but it only gives whether or not the supplied user did it 01:44:24 !orbruntomb . 01:44:27 rchandra orb-ran tomb once with a SpEn! Fantastic! 01:44:31 and putting * makes Sequell sad 01:45:02 !greaterplayer * 01:45:06 * is a greaterplayer! 01:45:17 sad as in times out on the query 01:45:33 for x in 'lm * s=name` ; do !orbruntomb $x ; done 01:45:38 !orbruntomb Zannick 01:45:39 Zannick hasn't orb-run tomb yet... :( 01:45:47 !orbruntomb Mu* 01:45:47 Subcommand $(!lm ${args} pfmt:"${.}&${child}" join:"`") failed: No keyword 'Mu*' 01:45:53 rchandra: ew 01:46:10 at least do lm * rune=golden s=name :P 01:46:24 rchandra: not quite the right syntax, either 01:46:47 -!- purge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:46:48 I see I used a quote and a backtick 01:47:01 no I mean you can't shell-script Sequell 01:47:03 well, that and lm doesn't return just hte name 01:47:08 well yes 01:47:08 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:47:12 you have to lisp-script sequell :P 01:47:24 or whatever the heck that is 01:47:24 so to speak 01:47:38 well, that's what it looks like 01:47:45 it does look rather like lisp, only more prosperous 01:47:46 !cmd =orbruntomb.helper 01:47:46 Command: =orbruntomb.helper => .echo $(let (name $1 tomb_array $(orb_run_tombs_array_for $1 $2)) $(let (chars (map $(fn (x) $(nth 3 $x)) $tomb_array)) $(if $(> (length $tomb_array) 0) $(if $(= (length $tomb_array) 1) "$name orb-ran tomb once with a ${chars}! Fantastic!" "$name orb-ran tomb $(length $tomb_array) times (${chars})! Amazing!") "$name hasn't orb-run tomb yet... :("))) 01:47:51 (since it has all those $ signs) 01:48:40 "$(let (chars (map $(fn (x) $(nth 3 $x))..." is what gives it away for me 01:48:55 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:49:27 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:44 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:05:24 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 02:06:24 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:18 -!- Guest41718 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:42 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:08 -!- J7669 has quit [Quit: ""] 02:17:09 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:44 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:55 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:06 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1581-g66217fb: Add a section on #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION to the save compat docs. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 65+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66217fb6ad07 02:25:00 there are *docs*??? 02:25:29 <|amethyst> well, it's an email from sorear, with addenda by jpeg and due (and now me) 02:26:02 * SamB <3 sorear -- totally platonic of course ;-) 02:26:39 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:32:13 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-1582-g9c1491e: Remove one more vestige of temp_pacif. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c1491e134d7 02:32:38 <|amethyst> (oh, and a note from galehar too) 02:33:36 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:39:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:09 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:56 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:44:28 -!- joosa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:36 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:19 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:22 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:58 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:48:52 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:01:17 Where can I find the details about how armor encumbrance works in trunk? 03:04:11 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:mutation:stats&#effect_of_strength_on_armour_evp 03:04:18 Not sure if that's exactly what went in though 03:04:25 I believe it is 03:04:31 the commit directly references that page 03:04:39 as a better explanation 03:04:52 Thanks! 03:05:22 Oh, and where in the code can I find launcher damage? 03:05:45 throw.cc, but it's a mess 03:07:19 ??launcher damage 03:07:19 launcher damage[1/3]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is the ammo enchantment, L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 03:07:39 I wonder if this formula is up to date, given that ammo enchantment doesn't exist 03:08:17 Also I'm trying to figure out just how much worse stones are than sling bullets (when launched with slings) :) 03:08:21 The ammo enchantment change was designed to mimic an enchanment of ~3, I think? So it might still be mostly the same 03:08:36 Ok 03:09:31 ??ammo enchantment 03:09:32 I don't have a page labeled ammo_enchantment in my learndb. 03:09:34 aww 03:09:37 looks like fsim wizmode works with ranged 03:09:46 elliptic: I thought I told you to make that page 03:10:18 what stats and fighting/slings skill do you want me to run the comparison on? 03:10:54 qoala: Oh, thanks :) (I don't have a local trunk build so I can't try it myself) 03:11:34 qoala: Well, if you don't mind running it twice, try 15/30 str/dex and 30/30 str/dex; slings 27 both times 03:11:41 Speaking of throwing, is there any reason this has not been applied? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6958 03:11:59 Medar: you mean besides general laziness? 03:12:02 Yes 03:12:06 * SamB hasn't looked, doesn't know 03:13:15 ??finesse 03:13:16 okawaru[1/4]: Heroism (*) temporarily gives +5 to all non-magic skills except Invocations and Evocations, although Fighting skill from it gives no extra HP. Finesse (*****) halves attack delay but does not stack with haste or berserk and is blocked by stasis. Also gifts weapons and armour, and ammo if you have a ranged skill >= 8. 03:13:34 well it's probably fine 03:13:56 if it's not fine, we can always revert it :-) 03:14:01 so feel free to take it 03:14:26 I am going to bed 03:14:53 gn 03:15:12 Throwing speed doesn't go down with skill either though. 03:16:20 kryft: 15/30 stats: 7.8dam/turn vs 10.5dam/turn; 30/30 stats: 7.7dam/turn vs 10.6dam/turn. Might've already been at min delay with the lower stats, and there's no strength in the slings damage formula iirc. 03:16:46 qoala: Ok, thanks 03:17:10 Not sure what target those numbers are against. Ranged fsim didn't offer me a selection, unlike melee fsim. 03:17:36 qoala: Right, I guess the target had to have some AC because otherwise those numbers would be really low :) 03:18:23 qoala: But thanks a lot; it doesn't seem like stones are completely hopeless even if sling bullets are noticeably better 03:20:45 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:47 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:24:34 medar: imo make launcher attacks use div_rand_round, too 03:25:36 would throwing be overpowered if it scaled speed like UC does, 0.1 aut every 5.4 skill? 03:27:37 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:28:39 I'm not touching anything now. Maybe Oka throwing would be too good with the patch. 03:30:19 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:34:22 Maybe throwing could have more than 1.0 delay with no skill. 03:34:31 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:48 although it's not like throwing is generally considered all that powerful as-is 03:37:57 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 03:39:37 yeah, people very rarely get more than 0-5 throwing. 03:40:02 I got 27 on my last hobe, but that was for extended and for the title. 03:46:29 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:48:18 rchandra: I assume "for extended" means "I had more exp than I needed" rather than "I needed 27 throwing for extended"? :) 03:48:33 Medar: btw, welcome! 03:48:50 a bit of both: javelins of returning helped with hellion island a lot, and Be should get a ranged attack imo 03:49:11 also I had a vampiric weapon all game so didn't train xbows 03:49:19 rchandra: Are javelins good with max throwing skill? 03:49:26 rchandra: And were you with trog in extended? 03:49:34 only ok, and yes 03:49:45 at least returning almost always returns and almost never mulches 03:50:48 is cerebov's castle supposed to be allowed to spawn floating in the lava in the cross layout, it looks absolutely ridiculous 03:50:50 Right 03:51:08 ... i'm inclined to just disable layout_cross in Pan 03:51:14 rchandra: How good are hand axes/spears of returning? Those never mulch at least 03:52:46 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:20 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:00:17 rchandra: mulching isn't related to skill btw. 04:00:21 mumra: thanks! 04:00:45 Medar: I think it is for javelin of returning, since returning ones dno't mulch? 04:01:02 Ahh. 04:01:40 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:03:02 Looks like they can be destroyed, and then returning is just ignored 04:03:23 Which seems good 04:04:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:12:37 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:14:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:39 Medar: isn't it the other way around? or do you mean in lava/water? 04:24:39 I mean if the missile happens to get mulched, then it won't return 04:24:46 So returning doesn't change mulching rate 04:25:07 wow, that's so not what it felt like, over a reasonably long game 04:25:12 the mind is a powerful thing 04:25:35 I could just be reading this wrong, of course 04:44:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:48:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:52:05 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:52:30 -!- qoala has quit [] 04:53:30 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:01:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:10 -!- leStahL has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:53 looks right to me too, maybe I'll just play with it in wizmode. also, unfr throw.cc 05:19:16 -!- Perryman|2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:32 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:40 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:25:33 experimentally, mulching of returning javelins is indeed unaffected by throwing skill (throwing hundreds, at skill 4 and 27). It looks like it is, since if it mulches you get the 'fails to return to your pack'. 05:25:57 *It just looks like it is affected, 05:26:04 -!- jetnerd has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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It even being a factor at all is news to me. 06:46:46 |amethyst: do you know what part causes the most I/O? 06:46:52 at least, which process does 06:48:20 in Crawl, the I/O is: 1. des cache (reads; should be all in memory), 2. db cache (sqlite; reads; should be all in memory); 3. saves; 4. milestones 06:49:24 saves have fsyncs disabled so I don't expect them to be nasty on servers, no idea about milestone locking 06:49:56 so I'd expect some other process to be the culprit; could you elaborate? 06:54:27 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 07:01:17 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:10:43 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:12:56 kilobyte: what about ttyrecs? 07:13:42 mumra: append only 07:15:40 hmm, yeah; but still lots of continuous disk usage? 07:17:03 with 80MB/sec write speeds, I don't think this is a factor 07:17:11 -!- Somberlord has quit [Client Quit] 07:17:28 as it's all linear and can be buffered 07:18:03 if somehow it is, it'd be easy to fix but only if dgamelaunch helps 07:18:38 IIRC dgamelaunch watches the file on disk with inotify, to detect appends and send them to spectators 07:18:51 -!- Datgum has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:19:35 we could buffer writes and pipe them through bzip2 outright, massively reducing I/O, but only if dgamelaunch can skip the buffer somehow 07:21:30 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:41 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:28:51 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 07:33:42 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:48:59 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:49:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:49:27 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:51:13 Hmm, messages from console aren't delivered to webtiles 07:51:17 Is this normal? 07:51:57 yes 07:52:15 and vice versa (you have to do ?: in console to see tiles chat) 07:52:21 And vice versa, indeed 07:52:36 tileschat is really different to console chat (and also nearly intolerable even for many prominent tiles players), so I suggest not fixing this :P 07:52:49 Haha 07:53:07 I don't care about messaging either 07:57:01 And when viewing a console player in webtiles, the screen goes blank when targetting 07:57:07 I guess this is a known issue as well 07:57:38 elliott: Different technically or with respect to content? :) 07:57:47 well, mainly the latter. but both 07:57:50 Both. 08:00:08 Are the corpse tiles... skewed and cut original tiles? They look funny. 08:00:25 * joosa is a console player 08:00:42 -!- russ_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:02:10 I think so yes 08:02:16 ??glyph mode 08:02:17 glyph mode[1/1]: Press F10 if you want to know what's going on in a webtiles game. 08:02:26 Ooh, awesome 08:04:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I'm not 100% certain, but it's definitely not memory or CPU, and doesn't seem to be the network... I don't think it's crawl itself, but rather things like the ttyrec compression job and ttyrec fetches 08:05:31 A square font or stretching would be nice for the glyph mode 08:07:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:08:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte: part of the problem is, when there is a hiccough on CSZO, by the time I get in and run iostat/iotop/nethogs it's usually over 08:14:01 -!- Q-Flex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:14:27 <|amethyst> joosa: oh, it's something I only recently added to the docs, but TZer0 pointed out that debian's default sshd config allows tcp forwarding 08:14:39 <|amethyst> joosa: so that should be disabled for the rl user 08:14:44 I disabled forwarding 08:14:50 <|amethyst> oh, good 08:15:32 I mostly copied the settings from my old setup 08:18:13 ??mulching 08:18:14 mulching[1/3]: The chance of breakage is: 1/6 for curare and darts; 1/8 for sling bullets, stones, arrows, and bolts; 1/12 for non-curare needles; 1/20 for javelins; and 1/50 for large rocks. Throwing nets only take damage when struggled against. Other thrown things such as hand axes aren't technically missiles, and won't break. 08:21:57 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:22:43 -!- wump is now known as wumpus 08:22:56 joosa: i haven't seen that targetting bug in webtiles 08:23:11 -!- wumpus has quit [Changing host] 08:23:34 It's shown properly the other way around 08:23:50 And of course when watching a webtiles game with webtiles 08:24:03 i spent quite a while playing in console but watching myself on webtiles 08:24:08 so i would have seen this bug 08:24:20 unless it is very recent 08:26:46 joosa: i can't reproduce it now at all 08:26:56 maybe it's a specific targetter or something? 08:27:04 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:22 or maybe some non-default option? 08:27:46 Hm, I only tried with my custom config 08:27:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:27:51 right 08:27:58 this is why i generally always stick to default settings :P 08:27:59 Let's see 08:30:32 Works with defaults, I'll try to find out what setting is causing it 08:37:08 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:39:12 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:45:30 Ok, use_fake_cursor does it 08:46:54 I think I was using it to work around some earlier cursor bug ages ago 08:47:50 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:49:47 More accurately, use_fake_cursor = false does it 08:50:35 joosa: does it also cause the problem on X screen? 08:51:01 -!- waspmonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:51:24 X seems to work regardless of the setting 08:51:35 What's the problem? 08:52:37 it seems strange since X screen also references use_fake_cursor in the same way as targetting 08:52:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:52 Ah 08:53:19 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:53:27 but this is just from a cursory glance at the code, pun not intended 08:53:33 i don't know what's causing this 08:53:34 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:54:08 What's the use of use_fake_cursor = false? 08:55:05 it means the cursor is drawn by the terminal, by setting the position of text 08:55:14 rather than explicitly drawing a cursor character 08:55:16 I had it enabled since some very old version 08:55:21 I mean, disabled 08:55:30 I mean, enabled to be false 08:56:11 i'm not entirely sure if there's any real need for the option to exist 08:56:23 It seems unnecessary 08:56:28 and the #if logic surrounding it for different platforms is very strange 08:57:21 anyway, you should post it on mantis 08:57:29 Will do 08:57:43 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:44 thanks 08:58:00 <|amethyst> mumra: Use this if your term cannot show a cursor over 08:58:00 <|amethyst> darkgrey/black squares. 08:58:20 |amethyst: except, it defaults to true 08:58:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:58:43 i don't see why anyone would need to disable it 08:59:33 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 09:00:21 at least ... it defaults to true on UNIX and on the servers 09:00:39 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2828 09:00:49 A related old report 09:03:14 ah, here we go 09:03:15 if (need_cursor_redraw || Options.use_fake_cursor) 09:03:19 i think that's it 09:04:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:06 hmm, or maybe not 09:04:34 use_fake_cursor is a completely redundant option in tiles/webtiles i tihnk 09:08:06 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:01 And, indeed, the screen goes blank when playing webtiles 09:16:08 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 09:18:28 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:44 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 09:20:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:20:39 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:57 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:26:41 "use_fake_cursor = false" blanks the screen when targetting in WebTiles by joosa 09:31:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping 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lorcs... if anything it's too much of a penalty 11:17:31 Exp decay lorcs? 11:18:41 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:19:38 LogicNinja (L27 HEFE) ASSERT(mons_habitat(this) == HT_WATER) in 'mon-ench.cc' at line 1166 failed. (Vaults:5) 11:24:35 kryft: give them a halflife for decay, so they decay faster if they are at high temp 11:25:56 Eronarn: if decays too fast, just make it a three-quarters-life? or a 90%-life? 11:26:06 Eronarn: What decays? 11:26:14 Haven't played lava orcs :P 11:26:18 radiation level of course 11:27:09 Ok, I should probably play one before I try to understand conversations about them. :) 11:27:09 mumra: it has a halflife parameter, i can just increase that 11:27:20 ok yeah, that is easier 11:27:39 though i think the caps might be buggy 11:27:45 i might just drop them 11:28:08 kryft, i was joking, but actually "radiation level" _is_ adequate terminology for "temperature" 11:28:17 you shouldnt need caps with exp decay 11:28:53 mumra: also lava continues to exist in part because of radioactive decay :) 11:28:58 although they might let you play a little more smoothly 11:29:02 exctly :) 11:30:00 with exp decay there always is a natural cap, but it takes infinite time to reach (except there are rounding errors so it doesnt) 11:30:02 right now i'm running into issues with temp swinging too much 11:30:09 i think there must be a bug in the code 11:30:59 oh, does the formula also apply to temperature increases too? i.e. trying to smooth them out? 11:31:01 so with an artificial cap at a level where the net rate of temp increase is not negligible you dont have to wait for max temperature so long, which would probably be good 11:31:29 i played one right after they were put in recently, and they seemd to work pretty well 11:32:01 it took about 5-6 turns to get temp up when a red monster was around 11:32:20 LexAckson: but you haven't tried the formula we're talking about 11:32:35 since it's not in trunk 11:32:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:32:36 that's right, but i'm not sure what was wrong before 11:32:39 Oh, haha, exp decay was exponential decay 11:32:52 My first association was that lorc expERIENCE decays ;) 11:32:59 'nice' 11:33:43 LexAckson: whats wrong is that you can also get to max temperature with just a white creature around, you just have to run away from it for a while 11:33:43 fr: Wz starts at XL:27 and decays to 0 11:33:51 oh 11:33:59 why would you want to do that? 11:34:07 LexAckson: try standing next to a red monster and doing nothing, or standing one square away and running away 11:34:23 although these are problems more with the tension formula 11:35:03 but reports of temperature being weird have come from people who spent a long while playing Lorcs 11:35:23 so if you only played one game, sure you probably didn't notice anything odd 11:35:30 i see 11:35:49 i was also a Be so usually temp went straight to max 11:36:13 -!- Enthash has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:17 well, that kind of sounds like a problem in itself 11:36:21 haha 11:36:25 if temp is always at max, what's the point of having a guage? 11:36:39 the mechanic might as well not exist ... 11:37:07 well, that's only for when you are zerking 11:37:08 mumra: berserking makes you hot 11:37:21 <|amethyst> well, if it's always at max because you berserk before every fight, that's one thing 11:37:37 yes but i don't think this experience only applies to berserkers ... 11:37:46 <|amethyst> the problem is it's *also* always at max when you're fighting unthreatening enemies 11:38:04 yeah, that happened sometimes 11:38:17 i don't know if berserking should in itself always put you to max temperature anyway 11:38:23 it's not like berserking needs to be stronger 11:38:24 but it seemed okay to me 11:38:40 killing stuff while berserked should make you hotter for sure 11:39:55 well, the flavor for temperature is loosely tied to adrenaline, so it makes sense 11:40:11 gameplay > sense 11:40:13 mumra: actually i realized it's purely a halflife bug, since right now the caps are at 15 either way (which is the same as max temp) 11:40:14 if you are in a situation where you want to zerk temp would probably get to max in a turn or 2 anyways 11:40:33 it seems to me the mechanic is most interesting if a sustained fight against multiple enemies will get you to max temperature 11:40:42 or engaging in further fights without having time to cool down 11:40:56 but if temperature is getting to max in "a turn or 2" then it's not very interesting 11:41:07 why? 11:41:17 because you might as well be at full temp all the time 11:41:19 it's okay if temperature maxes out very fast if you, say, run into mara at low level 11:41:24 <|amethyst> alefury: because then what's the point of having the intermediate levels? 11:41:27 a turn or 2 under relatively dangerous conditions fighting several enemies 11:41:27 but generally it should take a while to ramp up 11:41:36 exactly 11:41:40 and it should only ever hit max if you are in a threatening situation 11:41:41 |amethyst: oh, thats not what i meant 11:42:00 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:42:03 i think you shouldnt get to max temperature in every fight 11:42:21 but you shouldnt have to wait long until you reach the maximum possible for that fight 11:42:38 well i think there should be fights at low/mid temperature 11:42:47 (which should often be much lower than the absolute max temp) 11:42:51 so you can appreciate the difference when you *do* reach max temperature 11:43:00 oh right i see what you mean 11:43:13 it's kind of hard to define a "max possible temperature" per fight tho 11:43:22 huh? 11:43:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:39 since the idea of what consititutes "a fight" is quite an abstract concept to begin with 11:43:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:44:01 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:02 i havent actually looked at the code, but in my mind temperature currently works like this: tension makes temperature rise, and temperature decays at a constant rate 11:44:27 exponential temperature decay automatically gives you a different cap for every tension-based rate of increase 11:44:37 -!- Creeperbear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:44:49 yes, but you don't know how tension works ;) it's not a very good metric of anything in particular, in the current implementation 11:44:55 however it would take forever to actually reach it, so including a lower artificial cap (for example, half of the "natural" cap) would make playing a lot smoother 11:45:06 thats a different issue imo 11:45:15 yes, one that also needs addressing of course 11:45:29 removing all the things that affect temperature other than actual tension sounds sensible to me 11:45:42 to make it easier to make the tension bit actually work 11:45:57 but water not cooling you down would be weird 11:46:26 and raging making you hot is very nice 11:46:43 does lava heat you up 11:46:45 i think if you're made of fire possibly it's pretty easy to explain that away 11:46:47 because 11:46:49 elliott: yes 11:46:49 you're made of fire 11:46:56 -.- 11:47:09 MarvinPA_: thats dj, not lo :P 11:47:21 alefury: if raging gave a slow temp increase i wouldn't be worried, but if it's causing max temperature in like 1 turn then it sounds like a problem to me 11:47:38 sorry, i dont see the problem 11:47:45 yes, it also leads people to suggest things like casting fire spells at yourself heating you up and casting ice spells cooling you down 11:47:49 which is even worse obviously 11:48:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:48:08 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:48:17 imo if a lava orc casts an ice spell they should DIE INSTANTLY 11:48:23 if they even step on a book of ice books, DIE 11:48:26 spells. 11:48:32 you dont like lo? 11:48:38 if they get within LOS radius of an ice beast, DIE 11:48:41 elliott: that's cold. 11:48:50 if they enter cocytus... well... you can guess 11:48:53 that would be so cool 11:48:56 yes 11:48:59 cocytus dies 11:49:01 you're too hot 11:49:02 he has an icy temperament 11:49:04 if they enter cocytus it should melt 11:49:38 fr: a rare chance for geh to use the coc level generator 11:50:06 hell just.. froze over ?! 11:50:45 i think the most important thing to do is make sure temp flux is predictable and simple to understand 11:50:53 alefury: one of the new Geh generators is fundamentally the same as one of the new Coc ones 11:50:58 just with features changed around 11:50:58 LexAckson: just like everythign else in carwl, eh? 11:51:01 haha 11:51:27