00:01:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1536-gedae9ec (34) 00:01:37 hey what is this thing hitting the tree: http://www.junglestudio.com/roza/?date=2007-05-20 00:01:48 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:05:05 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:09:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:04 <|amethyst> SamB: a weregoat-type-thing, it appears: http://www.junglestudio.com/roza/?date=2007-05-31 http://www.junglestudio.com/roza/?date=2007-06-01 00:09:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:09:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:05 funny looking goat 00:11:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:16:35 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 00:18:21 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:25 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:28:10 why do we have 00:28:12 dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 74-110 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1358 | Sp: flame blast (3d24) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 00:28:12 %??dragon 00:28:15 and not 00:28:18 unknown monster: "fire dragon" 00:28:18 %??fire dragon 00:29:55 <|amethyst> there was some discussion of that when "dragon armour" was renamed 00:30:23 <|amethyst> %git 4d5c11a 00:30:26 07kilobyte * 0.10-a0-1368-g4d5c11a: Rename dragon armour to "fire dragon armour". Just the item, not monster. 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 16 files, 53+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d5c11a30496 00:34:54 Initial implementation of a jump attack ability. by gammafunk 00:40:26 03Medar 07* 0.13-a0-1537-g72d7647: Change MP minibar colour for local tiles too 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72d7647d73b8 00:40:47 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 need to pick a different command prefix for Lantell 00:40:48 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 00:52:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:54:17 is RoR nutritionally positive, negative or neutral? 00:55:49 robe of resistance? positive, but only if you're a clothes moth 00:56:08 FR: clothes moth 00:56:25 elliptic: ring of regen, and vampiric weapons for that matter 00:57:00 if you meant ring of regen, it is generally a nutrition-efficient way of resting unless you are a spriggan 00:57:20 elliptic: should we fix that and make it neutral? 00:58:18 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:59:26 well, I guess I should clarify to say that it is nutrition-efficient when you are likely to be wearing it (earlier on) 01:00:15 What's the advantage to making it into a bad ring of slow digestion (What it essentially is now) 01:00:18 I don't think that the nutrition cost/benefit of it is really at all significant 01:00:19 what? 01:00:26 that's not what it is 01:00:40 It gives you HP and makes resting cheaper. 01:00:47 it makes resting take many fewer turns 01:00:54 which is far more significant than taking less hunger 01:01:10 because much less chance of a monster wandering into you while you are at low health 01:01:39 regen is one of the best things in the game, see how many people learn the spell 01:01:59 ring of regen is substantially weaker than the spell, and maybe one or the other should be changed 01:02:15 but I wouldn't think about the increased hunger at all when making decisions like that 01:02:16 <|amethyst> make the ring scale with evo 01:02:44 ??regen 01:02:45 regeneration[1/6]: Increases the rate at which you regain HP per turn, at the expense of more nutrition. Different sources stack and vary in effectiveness. The default hunger rate for most races is 3 nutrition per turn. A ring of regeneration takes that to 6 per turn. Regeneration doesn't work when you're {sick}; instead it makes Sickness disappear faster. 01:02:49 ??regeneration[2] 01:02:49 regeneration[2/6]: The base regeneration rate is your maximum hitpoints / 3. If this number is over 20, then divide the result by two and add ten. For example, 100 max health results in a regen rate of 26. RR accumulates every turn and for every 100 RR you gain, you regenerate 1 hp. For 1 hp per turn, 540 health is needed. For 1 hp per 2 turns, 240. 01:03:07 Why is it that complex? 01:03:21 bh: why is what that complex? 01:03:53 The regen formula 01:03:57 <|amethyst> bh: divide by to and add ten is just a stepdown 01:04:03 <|amethyst> s/ to / two / 01:04:08 it's not actually that complex, and players never see or need to know that formula 01:04:37 I'm not in love with the formula, but I wouldn't try to change it just to simplify it a tiny bit 01:05:03 since actual balance is more important than having an optically nice formula 01:06:07 And really, it's mostly simple enough "You regen faster when you have more hp and more sources of regen" 01:06:18 That's pretty much all one needs to think about 01:07:37 |amethyst: Trying to make WebTiles server restarts less painful by allowing the old process to keep serving current connections. 01:08:10 <|amethyst> Medar: that would be nice 01:08:14 Not sure how exactly it should look to the user though. Should it fork itself, or let admin handle starting the new process. What signals should do what. 01:08:39 <|amethyst> Medar: hm 01:08:56 anyway, both ring of regen and regen spell could use different formulas for how they affect regen rate if we wanted to change their balance... changing regen ring to apply a multiplier to base regen seems like it might be good to me 01:09:06 to buff it later on 01:09:15 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:09:15 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:35 Yes, it is a bit weak later on 01:09:47 And tends to almost always get passed up for other things, despite being useful earlier 01:10:04 less sure about regen spell... the effect could be power-dependent, but the duration being power-dependent is already enough to give it a good power progression early on 01:10:05 Which is not OBVIOUSLY bad, but I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if it were a little stronger later, too 01:10:35 The regen spell seems to have a pretty good power progression on the whole, to me 01:10:41 Since low power duration is so very obviously low 01:10:55 And later on, when the hp/turn is a lot less significant, you can just keep it up for most of the times that you need it 01:11:00 <|amethyst> Medar: wouldn't it mean people wouldn't be able to watch the old game? 01:11:11 <|amethyst> Medar: since it's on a different server than the one they're connecting to 01:11:48 bh: with regards to your original question, I wouldn't mind changing the hunger rate increase to make it nutrition-neutral for resting, and that would be pretty easy if it were a multiplier... I just don't think it would be noticeable 01:11:48 |amethyst: New people wouldn't. Altough maybe it could be handled similiar to console games 01:12:04 elliptic: works for me 01:12:12 In any case, losing specs is a small price to pay. It could give a notification about that. 01:12:22 <|amethyst> Medar: console games are handled by creating a webtiles socket 01:12:42 <|amethyst> Medar: not sure it would be a good idea for two servers to use that socket at the same time :) 01:13:20 True, well the old server could create extra sockets and relay everything to there. 01:13:32 But this is tweaking, need to get the system to actually work first :P 01:13:49 <|amethyst> Medar: as for how the admin should control it... I'd need one signal to say "stop listening", one to say "stop running", and a way to tell when it stopped listening 01:14:20 Yeah, I wonder how that last part should work 01:15:42 <|amethyst> something alongside the pidfile maybe 01:19:09 Hmm, logging is an another problem. 01:21:15 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:56 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:27 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 01:45:59 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:51 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01:05 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:02:07 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:25:35 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:16 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:27 -!- Ero has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:02 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:03 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:04 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:04 -!- Eronarn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:05 -!- orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:05 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:05 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:05 -!- dazzle has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:06 -!- y2s82_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:09 -!- timpakya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:10 -!- ivan``_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:38:25 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:45 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:50 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:52 -!- Spe_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:47:49 -!- BlinkFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:49:55 -!- Guest41718 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:13 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:14:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:15:23 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:09 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 03:19:25 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:27 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:15 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:06 I need to stop reading mantis features 03:39:07 -!- dupo has quit [] 03:40:43 -!- supulton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:41:33 oh odd. I'm a Dj of Fedhas and I can't acquire food (on the offchance to get fruit). I mean, acquiring food rarely seems like the optimal play 03:42:12 but I was surprised to see the option missing. I probably haven't read up enough on the mythos behind the Dj to understand the reasoning 03:43:12 probably just because it's normally useless to them 03:43:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:43:31 and nobody really thought to consider special-casing it as allowed under Fedhas 03:43:50 Royal jellies are not useless 03:43:56 And this is why most people acquire food for in the first place 03:43:59 they can eat those? 03:44:01 Yes 03:44:04 huh. 03:44:07 <|amethyst> they can eat anything 03:44:12 <|amethyst> they just don't get nutrition 03:44:13 And ambrosia (not that anyone does this) 03:44:15 that's 03:44:17 weird 03:44:26 I -almost- used ambrosia last game... 03:44:34 I'm not sure I ever have 03:44:43 I always carry it around with me when I have it, but never use it 03:44:50 like if my DDoor ninjaing had gone differently I certainly would've 03:45:33 anyway I guess all the other races that don't need food also can't worship Fedhas so this never came up 03:45:44 Yeah 03:46:19 ah good point 03:46:25 is there a special case for kobolds who acquire food under fehas? 03:46:37 I think Fedhas worshippers always get fruit, period 03:46:47 I don't think you ever get fruit otherwise 03:47:04 i see. 03:47:16 it's clearly time to come up with a food item that counts as meat and fruit so kobolds can get that 03:47:17 And it's a decent quantity. Like 12-ish or something 03:47:42 Dragonfruit 03:47:45 (It is part-dragon) 03:47:48 hahahaha 03:48:18 meatfruit, a close cousin to breadfruit 03:49:30 that one carnivorous plant that smells like rotting flesh 03:49:37 (close enough to fool a kobold) 03:49:44 but that's an actual plant right 03:49:49 yes 03:49:51 surely Fedhas doesn't want them to eat that 03:53:34 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:56:09 I don't think Fedhas minds you eating fruit 03:56:15 It's just players usually have something better to do with them 03:57:14 oh looks like someone already reported that in the bug tracker 03:57:23 How strong is Fedhas anyways as a god? 03:58:42 Quite good for 3 runes, more or less useless for 15 03:59:39 Probably still better than Yred for 15 runes 04:00:27 Medar: I'll have you know that I have taken down Tomb:3 with an oklob fort 04:01:02 That sounds hilarious 04:01:09 it's a good place to use one of those 04:01:19 My most hilarious Fedhas experience has to be this, though 04:01:32 If they can handle Zot:5 (they can), surely they can take on some mummies 04:01:36 This character I had actually trained invocations really high and had a ton of fruit, so I was prepared to make a super oklob fort on Zot:5 04:01:38 Which I did 04:01:43 And then there were only 2 oofs 04:01:45 oops 04:01:49 It was the empties Zot:5 I have EVER seen 04:01:53 emptiest* 04:01:54 hahaha 04:01:59 So I decided that I wanted to get SOME use out of my fort 04:02:05 So I picked up the orb and just sat there 04:02:07 heh 04:02:16 Haha, I was thinking about doing that on my game too :) 04:02:19 And killed literally dozens of pan lords with nothing but s 04:02:19 How long did the fort last? 04:02:26 But pussied out 04:02:33 After a few dozen, I was starting to get bored 04:02:36 fed is fun to play. I love oklob guard-plants 04:02:39 So I eventually decided to leave 04:02:45 This is where it gets a little bit crazy, though 04:02:51 and then died because the rest of the floor was insane? 04:02:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02:53 You know how on the orb run, not ALL the spawns are near you, yes? 04:02:56 Yes 04:03:00 Haha 04:03:01 I blocked off the entrance to the orb vault with water 04:03:07 And there were non-fliers in the way 04:03:15 I step out, and the corridors were literally FILLED with demons 04:03:15 oh god 04:03:22 Let me guess, you lost that game 04:03:26 I dig, and then suddenly THAT corridor is filled with demons 04:03:31 hhahahahahaa 04:03:35 I did not, but my god did I nearly a bunch of times in a row 04:03:40 It was completely horrific 04:04:01 surely if the oklobs could kill dozens of pan lords they could help you through that too 04:04:08 Like, you almost couldn't move for the fiends and pan lords and hell sentinels 04:04:14 SwissStopwatch: I needed to get to the STAIRS, though 04:04:30 Which happened to be pretty far away 04:04:37 indeed 04:04:41 if i can't tell immediately what a mutation does, is there any way to find an extended description of it in-game? 04:04:44 I really did think I was going to lose there 04:04:45 need to add shovels. so you can dig and transplant your oklobs 04:04:51 :) 04:04:58 actually I would be surprised that the panlords couldn't eventually get through the oklobs 04:04:58 Mu_: Just the A screen, really 04:04:59 Quick question 04:05:13 SwissStopwatch: They might EVENTUALLY. They did take down a few, over time 04:05:18 Is it possible to get fedhas piety in extended? I know Tomb gets you it, but what else? 04:05:27 SwissStopwatch: I never got any fire/ice stormers though, I think 04:05:27 it'd be good if 'A' had a description mode 04:05:39 Lightli: Fedhas piety does not decay on its own 04:05:45 oh 04:05:47 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:05:49 I mean I clearly didn't go hardcore enough on my Zot:5 fort since part of it collapsed 04:05:49 And making plants doesn't cost piety either 04:06:31 Like, you will not really use Fedhas much during extended, probably, but you can still get a couple oklob forts out of it in key places if you want. I wouldn't necessarily RECOMMEND it over other options, but I have still done it 04:06:49 SwissStopwatch: Well, your invocations matter a lot, too 04:06:58 I am pretty sure I had 27 04:08:20 I never realized that invocations did that. 04:08:32 It affects the HD of the stuff you make 04:08:36 I had like 24 I think 04:08:39 And the oklob firing speed 04:08:42 Which affects firing rate for the oklobs, too, in addition to hp 04:08:42 Yeah, I see that now. 04:08:46 enough for it to be my winning title 04:09:10 Fedhas can be a lot of fun, and is a lot better than his relatively low popularity might indicate 04:09:23 Better than Chei at any rate 04:09:28 I certainly agree 04:09:52 That reminds me 04:10:02 It's just not a very clear-cut choice like "I fight dudes, I'll go oka" 04:10:34 Mf of Fedhas got nerfed when water stopped being permanent 04:11:04 mostly Fedhas is just non-obvious 04:11:23 but now that I played one game with him he probably is the strongest early god 04:11:49 Lightli: I am pretty sure that the Fedhas ability that makes water is still permenant 04:11:54 It's just water from rain CLOUDS that isn't 04:12:09 (So the robe of clouds can no longer drown your stash) 04:12:20 Or, rather, your stash will come back again 04:14:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:18:08 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:34 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31:48 -!- Elkan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:36:38 You have a pair of antennae on your head. 04:36:39 You are slightly more attuned to the shadows. 04:36:58 like if i'm a new player i don't think i'd have any idea what these mutations do 04:37:38 * Medar still sometimes looks that stuff up 04:37:47 actually i'm an old player and i couldn't tell you 100% what antennae 2 and nightstalker 1 do 04:38:36 individual mutations don't even have manual entries... 04:39:00 extended descriptions for mutations might be nice somewhere, idk. just a thought. 04:43:42 -!- pantaril_ is now known as pantaril 04:44:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:06:45 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:07:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:11:26 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:12:52 |amethyst: server seems to be working correctly after the update 05:12:52 TZer0: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:13:15 !message 05:13:20 !messages 05:13:21 (1/1) |amethyst said (4h 32m 32s ago): need to pick a different command prefix for Lantell 05:13:31 Thought that one would come up 05:13:53 just /msg me the line of code. 05:14:55 however.. it won't happen for a while 05:19:06 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:14 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 05:24:23 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:26 as for Pan, the issue was not with sharing a name with a branch (which is not checked at all, and would take some serious drugs to code it that way), but get_monster_by_name() being totally broken for non-exact matches 05:47:06 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:37 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1538-ge2a19be: Whitespace fixes. 10(10 hours ago, 4 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2a19beff7a7 05:48:37 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1539-gd78cc4c: Brace fixes. 10(10 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d78cc4cf0831 05:48:37 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1540-gbc69ec7: Reverse the argument of get_monster_by_name(). 10(10 minutes ago, 8 files, 16+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc69ec7aa121 05:48:37 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1541-ge1d37fe: Use the shortest match in get_monster_by_name(). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1d37febe51b 05:50:38 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51:25 Medar: no, I haven't done anything about the options patch, sorry... 05:52:08 Medar: by the way, why require a password for the autologin option? I'd just do do_login with the username directly 05:53:31 No problem. Should I take a look at it again? 05:53:50 I was afraid of weird stuff happening, if the case is wrong 05:54:05 But perhaps that's a bit paranoid, and unnecessary as it's only a testing feature 05:55:01 yeah, I'd say we shouldn't worry about that 05:55:09 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:26 !tell |amethyst give me the line of code which needs changing - back in ~8 hours 05:55:27 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 05:56:46 Ok, I'll change it later 05:57:06 -!- Agraya has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:58:28 Medar: the main problem with the options patch is of course backwards compatibility 05:59:09 Right 06:03:15 -!- Gorelab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:03:29 -!- krag has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:12:11 Medar: I'll look into making the process call properly asynchronous 06:16:37 Ok, nice 06:20:06 Invisibility spell doesn't warn about it being useless when contaminated by Medar 06:20:21 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:20:28 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:18 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:11 -!- qoala has quit [] 06:22:20 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:22:43 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26:23 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:30:18 -!- Grimalki1 is now known as Grimalkin 06:32:53 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:43 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1542-gc8f0c2e: No non-useless darkgrey books, please. 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8f0c2e5221a 06:40:43 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:40:46 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:46:01 -!- supulton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:46:52 -!- Stendarr_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:54:41 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 06:54:46 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:57:16 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:39 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:34 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:15:37 -!- Zermako has quit [] 07:24:35 New branch created: webtiles-options (17 commits) 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1542-g3516f32: Add --print-json-options 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 38+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3516f3279039 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1543-g6b2ae88: Send options message when starting a WebTiles game 10(3 months ago, 4 files, 29+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b2ae88c4cf4 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1544-gfa0ac54: Add options JavaScript module 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 20+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa0ac5439c1b 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1545-g1978277: Send new WebTiles watchers their own options 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 33+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1978277d61c4 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1546-g16ee8ae: Refactor write_json_options a bit 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16ee8aee2f0a 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1547-g706c480: Add methods to use the options.js module 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 29+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=706c480c7405 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1548-g85d63de: Fix options.js module, clear options between games 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85d63de10c4c 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1549-g32ac38e: Send default options to anon WebTiles watchers 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32ac38e4607d 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1550-g9d84e2a: Change cmd line option to --print-webtiles-options 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d84e2afe8a2 07:24:40 03Medar 07[webtiles-options] * 0.13-a0-1551-g63a4862: Use the stat_colour option in WebTiles 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 25+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63a48624e2ca 07:24:40 ... and 7 more commits 07:25:59 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 07:26:43 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:26:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:26:56 -!- krag has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:27:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:28 Medar: as you see, I just pushed the options code to a branch... the async stuff needs more testing, and I may have messed something up during the rebase, and we need to think about backwards compatibility 07:29:54 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:38:37 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:43:45 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:47:32 -!- crate_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:47 Ok, I got Webtiles, up, rl.heh.fi is coming back! 07:50:02 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:39 Minus extraneous impatient commas 07:53:17 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 07:55:07 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:59:26 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:37 -!- supulton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:57 -!- supulton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:08:17 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:09:56 -!- vvv is now known as Guest51826 08:21:08 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:23:03 -!- Datgum has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:30:54 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:38:22 -!- Guest51826 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:46:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:00 hrm, that do/while without braces is moderately horrid. 08:52:21 I stopped hosting at 0.7.1, that was... 34 years ago or so. 08:53:27 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:50 will the old ttyrecs be restored? :p 08:54:20 Yeah, they haven't gone anywhere 08:54:42 I just need to set it up 08:54:47 You guys have done wonderful job with dgamelaunch 08:54:53 and Webtiles 08:55:42 It was a fun experiment to roll my own though :) 08:56:19 !seen DracoOmega 08:56:20 I last saw DracoOmega at Sun Jun 9 09:23:34 2013 UTC (4h 32m 46s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Leaving'. 08:56:56 I'll be testing for some time, and before going public I need more disk space in any case 09:02:05 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:28 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:34 -!- eb has quit [] 09:12:49 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:14:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:14:28 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:14:47 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:16:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:23:45 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:25:37 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:27:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:46 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50:40 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:15 if i made an error in a .des file, it used to be that crawl would print an error and let me know what the problem is 09:51:29 now it just stalls and doesn't say anything which is making fixing things kind of a chore 09:51:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:31 <|amethyst> Mu_: Which OS and mode (tiles or console)? There were some changes to Windows error message handling some time ago 09:52:31 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:52:42 windows console 09:54:11 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:55:25 is there anything i can do 09:56:01 -!- Zermako has quit [] 09:56:08 can't really make complex vaults like this 09:56:13 <|amethyst> Mu_: talk to SamB maybe; he was the last person to touch that 09:56:34 <|amethyst> Mu_: maybe see if tiles works any better for that purpose 09:56:43 ok 09:56:43 <|amethyst> Mu_: or try it out on a Unix machine :/ 09:57:26 <|amethyst> My Windows programming knowledge is essentially zero, or I'd look into it 09:59:02 huh. DjBe is pretty funny. You can throw spell books and then walk through the flame column to escape. 09:59:15 <|amethyst> bh: you don't have to throw anymore :) 09:59:25 <|amethyst> %git :/feet 09:59:38 07|amethyst * 0.13-a0-1433-ga160c91: Allow djinn to burn spellbooks at their "feet" (#7154) 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a160c91e38c7 09:59:38 |amethyst: oh sure, drop it at your feet and flame on 09:59:38 'feet' 10:00:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:01:10 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:41 -!- nooodl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:48 ??fire beast 10:01:49 I don't have a page labeled fire_beast in my learndb. 10:02:05 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:02:13 sky beast, ice beast. Are there unexplored beast types that could be neat? 10:03:50 Magma beast? 10:04:52 did other beasts exist at one point and then meet a sad end? 10:05:56 hell beast exists too 10:06:03 but not the same thing 10:06:21 <|amethyst> I'm not entirely clear why I and E aren't the same letter 10:06:41 <|amethyst> then we could put megaspriggans on I 10:07:25 |amethyst: your first idea is a good one, your second is a bad one. 10:09:40 <|amethyst> Yeah, I guess megaspriggans would make more sense on "i" 10:09:59 elementals used to be represented by their terrain glyphs, until efreets got moved onto R and elementals got E 10:10:07 ice beasts were unique until due added sky beasts 10:10:22 in general elementals on E are nonliving and i guess the I's and any future I are alive 10:10:35 unknown monster: "djinn" 10:10:35 %??djinn 10:10:45 djinni (12R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire | Vul: 12cold | XP: 720 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:10:45 %??djinni 10:12:45 ice beast (16I) | Spd: 10 (swim: 110%) | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 512(cold:5-14) | amphibious | Res: 06magic(20), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 130 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 10:12:45 %??ice beast 10:13:00 Mu_: is it worth using up a whole letter on that distinction? 10:14:03 i suppose that would depend on what people want to use I for 10:14:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:15:03 -!- supulton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:22 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:16:33 <|amethyst> Use I for insects :/ 10:16:33 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:50 unknown monster: "centipede" 10:16:50 %??centipede 10:16:57 giant centipede (03s) | Spd: 13 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-12 | AC/EV: 2/14 | Dam: 208(nasty poison) | Res: 06magic(8) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 12 | Sz: little | Int: insect. 10:16:57 %??giant centipede 10:17:34 i imagine the intent was for I to be expanded into a class of paraelemental monsters. ice beast, sky beast, magma, ash, smoke, sand, sludge, etc 10:18:40 <|amethyst> one of the weirdest glyph things IMO is how testudines, crocodilians, and crustaceans(!) are all on 't' 10:19:23 <|amethyst> not that I can think of a better letter for any of those 10:20:03 @??crab 10:20:04 unknown monster: "crab" 10:20:10 fire crab (04t) | Spd: 11 | HD: 8 | HP: 38-66 | AC/EV: 9/6 | Dam: 1504(fire:8-15), 1504(fire:8-15) | !sil | Res: 06magic(42), 04fire+++ | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 492 | Sp: flame blast (d12) | Sz: small | Int: insect. 10:20:10 %??fire crab 10:20:14 apocalypse crab (16t) | Spd: 11 | HD: 8 | HP: 38-66 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 1509(chaos), 1509(chaos) | 05demonic, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(53), 05fire++, 02cold++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 09poison, 08holy++ | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 492 | Sp: chaos blast (d12) | Sz: small | Int: insect. 10:20:14 %??apocalypse crab 10:20:45 unknown monster: "ice crab" 10:20:45 %??ice crab 10:21:01 crabs aren't amphibious? 10:21:38 crabs should clearly be on B 10:21:43 <|amethyst> FR: Crawl has an accurate-where-it-intersects-with-the-real-world evolutionary tree, which advises polymorph selection 10:21:43 -!- Ero is now known as Eronarn 10:21:55 There are terrestrial and aquatic crabs, but I don't know if there are amphibious ones 10:22:05 i was thinking s with scorpions but that's probably overloaded 10:22:42 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:31 well i mean the other t's are all cold blooded amphibians which is what i guessed t was for 10:23:39 <|amethyst> err 10:23:45 <|amethyst> oh 10:23:51 <|amethyst> not that use of "amphibian" :) 10:23:59 the flag ;p 10:24:32 <|amethyst> Mu_: I guess that kind of makes sense 10:26:46 does anyone know why my rltiles compile fails because it can't find png.h? 10:26:56 win7 mingw btw 10:27:56 <|amethyst> are you building contribs? 10:28:09 yes 10:28:18 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28:22 <|amethyst> is it building the libpng contrib? 10:28:34 uh, does that happen automatically if it can't find SDL? 10:28:42 -!- supulton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:42 <|amethyst> hm 10:28:50 <|amethyst> actually, it should happen for all tiles builds in Windows 10:29:31 speaking about craps, there's relatively frequent a crap breath crash I can't seem to reproduce on purpose: ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. 10:29:53 with interesting shapes: http://sprunge.us/MONb http://sprunge.us/gJRO 10:30:23 note a statue in one screenshot, and an idol in the other 10:30:27 <|amethyst> kilobyte: both kinds of crabs or just apocalypse? 10:30:40 lemme check 10:31:04 both apocalypse 10:31:23 <|amethyst> SPELL_CHAOS_BREATH has beam.flavour = BEAM_CHAOS 10:31:26 <|amethyst> which means bouncing 10:31:34 I managed to make ee crash if loading non-empty files, it's not very useful for editing configs 10:31:34 <|amethyst> and chaos bouncing has a bug 10:31:54 <|amethyst> joosa: non-empty? 10:32:23 <|amethyst> joosa: is there particular content to make it crash 10:32:30 joosa: ee is a gem, apparently written in the very first edition K&R C, with absolutely none of current practices 10:32:41 particular content being anything 10:32:42 <|amethyst> joosa: I do have a patch to make it not crash on *empty* files 10:32:51 <|amethyst> wait, it's always crashing for you? 10:32:56 Always 10:33:12 <|amethyst> where is it crashing? 10:33:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 10:33:30 When trying to edit rc in dgamelaunch 10:33:41 Virus works 10:33:48 |amethyst: tiles gives me error messages yay, thanks 10:34:05 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the bounce ends up on the edge of a square rather than the middle 10:34:07 I really didn't expect a text editor to be a problem whiel putting this server up :-P 10:34:17 <|amethyst> joosa: I mean, have you tried debugging it? 10:34:37 <|amethyst> joosa: it's a piece of crap, but shouldn't crash *every* single time 10:34:59 -!- rebthor has quit [Client Quit] 10:35:04 <|amethyst> Mu_: yay! 10:35:32 <|amethyst> !tell SamB apparently windows console doesn't show startup .des errors (but tiles does thanks to your fixes) 10:35:33 |amethyst: OK, I'll let samb know. 10:35:43 In my custom server I used nano's restricted mode for editing 10:36:13 <|amethyst> hmm 10:36:29 <|amethyst> I'd worry about that a little 10:36:29 And no, I don't know how to debug but I will in a bit 10:36:36 |amethyst: so i compiled contribs by itself and it finished fine, don't know how to check for libpng though 10:36:37 <|amethyst> though it may be fine 10:36:46 * Grunt appears! 10:37:23 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 10:37:34 It dies with a buffer overflow 10:37:44 <|amethyst> hm... looks like dolorous stepped down as the nano maintainer about the same time he started Crawl 10:38:03 <|amethyst> joosa: do you have a backtrace? 10:38:12 Hang on 10:38:13 <|amethyst> s/started/joined/ 10:38:21 DCSS, ruining development of widely-used text editors. 10:38:23 * Grunt flees in terror. 10:39:17 nano needs to die, and I say this as a past long-time user of pine 10:40:15 nano and pine both need to die. There is no god but vim. 10:40:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: ee needs to die more, though 10:41:15 yeah, I've edited its code to hack in Unicode support, and I'd say it shouldn't be trusted outside a whole virtual machine on its own 10:41:15 I bet Crawl is easier to exploit than nano's restricted mode. 10:41:24 elliott: tru dat 10:41:27 <|amethyst> elliott: ee almost certainly is :) 10:41:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:41 ee just needs a k at the end of its name <_< 10:41:56 <|amethyst> virus is problematic too 10:42:34 todo: come up with something better to use in dgamelaunch 10:42:40 so let's put it this way: is there any secure editor? 10:42:58 (Is any piece of software completely secure?) 10:43:18 (How secure is secure enough?) 10:43:34 Is there some pastebin with strace syntax higlighting? vim displays it so beautifully 10:44:06 <|amethyst> not that I know of 10:44:17 there are editors written in languages where you don't need to worry about buffer overflows for security purposes. 10:44:18 I've seen at least one, but now I can't remember what it is. 10:44:27 getting filesystem isolation right is considerably easier. 10:44:44 elliott: with languages themselves not very fit for a tight chroot 10:44:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:44:55 <|amethyst> "tight"? :) 10:45:03 <|amethyst> we already have Perl in the chroot 10:45:08 <|amethyst> and python-minimal 10:45:09 ok, ok, it'd need a serious rethinking to be tight 10:45:13 I am not speaking only of interpreted languages 10:45:13 oy vey 10:45:37 hmm... so what the chroot is for, then? 10:45:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:46:08 (the last time I looked at DGL, there was no perl nor python inside, but that was way pre-webtiles) 10:46:12 I wouldn't run dgamelaunch outside of at least a chroot. 10:46:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: well 10:46:31 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I should say, CSZO's chroot does 10:46:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte: because I did it with debootstrap 10:46:54 <|amethyst> and full python-minimal isn't needed, just the I/O codecs 10:47:00 <|amethyst> for webtiles 10:47:10 http://vpaste.net/9v6js 10:47:20 it does this in and out of the chroot 10:50:15 <|amethyst> from the backtrace printed inside that chroot: __wcstombs_chk --> __fortify_fail 10:50:32 <|amethyst> so the reason it doesn't crash on the other servers is that we don't build with D_FORTIFY_SOURCE :/ 10:50:43 Right 10:53:30 <|amethyst> length = mbstowcs(in_string, in_str, sizeof(in_string)); 10:55:03 <|amethyst> shouldn't that be sizeof(in_string)/sizeof(wchar_t) ? 10:55:33 <|amethyst> ah, that fixes it for me 10:55:39 |amethyst: Oh and thanks for the dgamelaunch set up guide, even if it lacked some stuff 10:55:48 is there code that prevents you from placing monsters withing LOS of the character on turn 1, or am i going crazy 10:55:49 <|amethyst> joosa: it has more stuff now :) 10:55:54 <|amethyst> Mu_: yes there is 10:56:14 ok 10:56:24 Ooh I see 10:56:25 it was for a sprint map haha 10:56:28 <|amethyst> I think they can (now) be behind glass (but not grates?) 10:56:33 They're removed after the save, amusingly. 10:56:40 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh really 10:56:52 So if I crash the game doing something on D:1 without saving first, I can reload the save and have monsters in LOS. 10:56:53 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:56:56 <|amethyst> haha 10:57:02 secret tech 10:57:08 <|amethyst> joosa: just a sec, I'll have a fix for ee shortly 10:57:14 <|amethyst> "fix" 10:57:21 <|amethyst> to this particular problem 10:57:31 |amethyst: awesome! 11:01:20 <|amethyst> joosa: okay, it's in my copy of the crawl dgamelaunch repo 11:01:33 <|amethyst> git://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch.git 11:01:52 <|amethyst> b9c974d "fix a buffer overflow in ee" 11:02:20 <|amethyst> there's another one from a few weeks ago just before that, 332d41d "ee: don't crash when editing zero-byte files" 11:02:27 And it works now. :) 11:04:15 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:53 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:58 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:07 joosa: after selecting trunk or 0.12 on rhf dgl, the "Webtiles: https://rl.heh.fi/" line changes to "https://crawl.s-z.org/" instead :P 11:16:16 also yay for more eu servers 11:16:19 rhf lives!? 11:16:50 MarvinPA: haha yes... the message was repeated in many files, so 11:16:55 heh 11:17:11 I'll make it the global banner 11:17:53 MarvinPA: unfortunately it is finnish, so you can't trust it 11:19:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:20:10 true, mikee must be behind it somewhere 11:22:25 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:26:39 Oh, it's only the topmost line from the banner... this didn't work :-P 11:26:57 <|amethyst> joosa: you'll have to edit the menus individually 11:27:03 yeah 11:33:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:36:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:36:32 hmmm 11:36:45 so when i paste my config into rhf, weird stuff happens 11:37:02 somehow it starts a sprint game and continues pasting into that 11:37:53 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:39:34 ah i think it can't cope with "cset_unicode = item_gold:�" 11:42:16 yeah, � just crashes the options editor 11:42:37 |amethyst: even more confident in the security of these editors now 11:42:50 Same happens to me if typing unicode 11:43:04 I think my locale settings are to blame, but still 11:44:00 This is distressing 11:45:38 <|amethyst> joosa: any backtrace from that? 11:45:44 a sec 11:45:57 <|amethyst> %rc marvinpa 11:45:58 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/MarvinPA.rc 11:46:49 <|amethyst> works fine for me (with a correct locale) 11:46:56 <|amethyst> I can paste in marvinpa's entire rc 11:46:56 I'll have to go for a bit, returning with more problems soon! 11:48:08 <|amethyst> yes, I see a crash when pasting with LANG=C 11:49:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:02 <|amethyst> when I paste just one line (or type a non-ascii char) I get a hang rather than a crash 11:52:31 -!- Frigus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:54:30 <|amethyst> and it seems the other thing isn't a crash... it's a normal exit(0) 11:55:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:49 <|amethyst> oh 11:55:52 <|amethyst> it's in ncurses 11:56:00 <|amethyst> wget_wch isn't even returning 11:56:15 how about only let people edit with ed 11:56:22 <|amethyst> ed is too powerful 11:56:28 <|amethyst> even red is too powerful 11:56:37 true. mere mortals cannot handle the power of ed. 11:56:42 <|amethyst> Run in restricted mode. This mode disables edition of files out of 11:56:42 <|amethyst> the current directory and execution of shell commands. 11:56:59 <|amethyst> "current directory" includes everybody else's rcfiles 11:57:06 <|amethyst> for the same game version 11:58:43 wait, so ncurses quietly quits the program when it reads a character that isn't supposed to exist in the current locale? 11:58:44 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:57 <|amethyst> !tell joosa Investigated the problem; I think it is just a locale mismatch. I get a hang because wget_wch isn't returning; eventually it does return ERR and the program exits 11:58:58 |amethyst: OK, I'll let joosa know. 11:59:15 oh, it returns ERR 11:59:30 <|amethyst> well 11:59:35 <|amethyst> it doesn't return ERR right away 11:59:36 !messages 11:59:37 (1/1) |amethyst said (1h 24m 5s ago): apparently windows console doesn't show startup .des errors (but tiles does thanks to your fixes) 11:59:41 ♫ unix ♫ 11:59:50 |amethyst: but I also broke it 12:00:22 <|amethyst> Zaba: what I'm seeing is that it hangs until you enter several more characters 12:01:26 sounds like old system v 12:01:34 <|amethyst> actually 12:01:38 <|amethyst> it's weirder than that 12:04:08 I have no real idea why windows console might have this problem, except that something is likely not being initialzied in time for those errors to show up? 12:04:08 <|amethyst> oh, okay 12:04:32 how are the errors supposed to be printed anyway 12:04:49 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:03 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:05:34 <|amethyst> looks like the level parser uses a yyerror that just writes to stderr 12:05:39 |amethyst: a stack from such errors being printed would help. I could do it myself, but my sister is being a pain because her foot hurts and ... 12:08:48 <|amethyst> SamB: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/maperr.txt (on Unix) 12:10:01 yeah I meant on Unix 12:10:08 easier to set a breakpoint, GDB works nicely, etc. 12:11:04 hmm, curl gets a 406 not acceptable for some reason ... 12:11:22 w3m works though 12:11:27 <|amethyst> Zaba: it looks like it returns ERR about 142 charactes later here 12:11:32 heh. 12:11:46 <|amethyst> SamB: hrm 12:11:49 <|amethyst> SamB: weird 12:11:57 <|amethyst> SamB: wget works fine :) 12:12:03 I have no idea how input works in ncurses, unfortunately. 12:12:15 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:23 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:29 hmm, I meant a stack that went all the way to write() but this'll do 12:13:13 <|amethyst> SamB: oh, I broke at yyerror... it calls fprintf 12:13:22 yeah, okay 12:13:24 <|amethyst> SamB: anything below that is OS specific anysay 12:13:32 indeed 12:13:45 I just thought write was the easiest way to catch it ;-) 12:13:49 on *nix 12:14:04 <|amethyst> I suspect crawl does a lot of writes before it gets to that point 12:14:40 hmm, point 12:14:53 <|amethyst> actually 12:14:56 <|amethyst> looks like it doesn't 12:15:30 <|amethyst> according to strace that is in fact the first call to write (I'm not giving -webtiles-socket or anything like that) 12:15:56 <|amethyst> though of course if it needs to rebuild the des cache... 12:17:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1542-gc8f0c2e (34) 12:18:34 <|amethyst> SamB: oh, related to that curl problem, it seems to be something in the web server config 12:18:41 <|amethyst> SamB: I guess it's intentionally blocking curl 12:20:17 <|amethyst> ugh, yeah, it's ModSecurity 12:21:15 <|amethyst> it blocks lynx!! 12:21:40 ctele doesn't work on bend space? 12:21:59 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:22:02 how is that security 12:22:11