00:00:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 00:01:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1399-g403622b (34) 00:07:17 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:09:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:09:34 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:10:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1399-g403622b (34) 00:13:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:21:25 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:22:25 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:26:51 -!- I_Think has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:47 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:36 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:38 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1399-g403622b 00:41:39 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 00:47:27 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:50:41 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 00:55:55 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06:39 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-1400-g19e64b1: Differentiate satyr tiles a bit. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19e64b13ed91 01:06:41 Acidic corrosion probability inverted by tmhedberg 01:15:52 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:17 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:18:42 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:19:01 -!- dupo has quit [] 01:21:50 -!- kazak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:24:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:26:31 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:53 -!- gChange has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:27:51 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:31:52 -!- I_Think has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 01:33:49 -!- Blazinghand_ is now known as Blazinghand 01:47:22 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:15 -!- Talesweaver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:01:40 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:04:10 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:54 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:35 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:26 morning 02:17:31 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:21:39 Good morning. 02:22:01 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:28:53 -!- korzok has quit [Client Quit] 02:34:03 -!- eb has quit [] 02:34:25 -!- lion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:38:53 -!- YorkeSC has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:27 -!- mgq has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:15 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:58 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 02:59:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 03:04:47 -!- Jevouse has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:49 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:13:07 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:16:46 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:19:05 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 03:21:32 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:46 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:06 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:33 -!- Ystah has quit [Quit: CyberScript - if you don't, who will? (www.cyberscript.org)] 03:45:59 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:04 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:08 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:49:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:49:00 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 03:53:55 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:56:19 -!- IsaacSin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56:36 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:39 -!- evilmike has quit [] 04:03:13 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17:25 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:17:33 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:22:20 -!- 45PAAIZ9I has quit [] 04:27:25 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:54 Hmmm..., should the new dimensional anchor spell be affected by dispelling effects? 04:29:50 was that one of dracoomega's? hard to keep up with all the changes :P 04:30:12 yes 04:30:23 d2a9146 04:30:49 (I don't know the chei command to link the commit) 04:30:50 !git d2a9146 04:31:20 %git d2a9146 04:31:20 07DracoOmega * 0.13-a0-1017-gd2a9146: New monster spell: Dimension Anchor 10(9 days ago, 15 files, 78+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2a9146ba3fe 04:32:27 Purple draconians dispelling their allies (and their own) debuff is rather counter-productive, but consistency is nice 04:32:29 i think it should be dispellable yes 04:32:38 since it's a magic induced status 04:33:13 yeah 04:33:27 getting debuffed by purple draconians leaves you with other problems anyway 04:33:35 true :P 04:34:06 I was writing a response to your comment on mantis 4539 (dispelling curare slowness), and noted the absence from the dispell list 04:34:45 debuffing is quite weird 04:34:53 -!- Ainulind1le is now known as Ainulindale 04:35:01 of course really we just need to decide what is the best behaviour from gameplay perspective 04:35:16 the reason why x or y work or don't work can easily be justified 04:35:44 consistency for the player (it's a spell ==> dispellable) is pretty valuable, though we could work around it if we need to 04:36:50 What do you think about calcifyng dust and self-petrification as far as being magical effects? Certainly easier to leave them as dispellable. I just have no idea how they're supposed to work fluff-wise. 04:37:08 -!- kefka810 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37:12 hmm, true 04:37:29 I recall someone having fun self-petrifying vs quicksilver dragons in zigsprint, using the breath to prevent the final effect. 04:37:42 calcifying dust shouldn't be dispellable if "dispel only non-physical effects" should be the case 04:37:45 Granted, that one died to the quicksilver dragons' damage, but... 04:38:05 yeah it sounds like a bad tactic overall :) 04:40:00 lava orc stoneskin is the other odd case. 04:40:13 But this is far from the only odd interaction with that effect. 04:42:16 Given the difficulty of getting a duration out of an effect that is conditional rather than on a timer, might it be simpler to add a function ::stoneskin() to player or actor? 04:42:46 This could encapsulate a check between DUR_STONESKIN > 0 for non-lava-orcs, and a form & temperature check for lava orcs 04:49:14 hmm 04:49:30 i'm really not sure the best approach 04:49:48 of course, tracking enchantment sources would help this as well 04:50:00 since there would be a difference in intrinsic vs. temporary enchantments 04:50:27 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:53:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:53:32 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 04:55:40 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:47 can someone add "* You can butcher while wielding a cursed or otherwise unswappable blunt weapon." to the end of the character section of the 0.13 version of the 0.12 changelog? It's in the 0.12 version of the changelog, but not in the 0.13 one. 04:57:27 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 05:00:49 hrm, can't folks just check 'git log' and then query the learndb for every pointless commit message (which I'm in particular too often guilty of)? 05:06:58 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:59 * The staves of channeling and energy are now one staff - the staff of power, which eliminates spell hunger and channels scaling with your maximum magic power. 05:09:01 huh? 05:09:40 i thought channeling got fused into a rebuffed energy, and power is still seperate and scales with max mp now? 05:12:53 I suspect that is a typo 05:13:22 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:22 -!- Rebenga has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:23 -!- nCrazed has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:13:24 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:13:49 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 05:13:49 -!- stabwound has quit [Changing host] 05:13:49 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:47 -!- Wraiths has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:21:08 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:33:54 -!- voker57_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37:43 lainiw, it looks like you broke compilation of newskald with the last commit. Did you mean to use random2 when you removed the number of dice from roll_dice in spirit shield casting? 05:41:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:42:30 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:24 yes, i used the wrong one, it should be fixed now 05:44:35 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:46:36 -!- rwbarton has quit [Client Quit] 05:53:38 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1401-ga3d36c2: Use the version of 0.12 changelog that comes with the actual release. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3d36c2d1be0 05:53:38 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1402-g0ad17fd: Fix totally conflated and wrong changelog entries for staves of energy and power. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ad17fda8f1a 05:55:52 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:11:54 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:44 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:18:06 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:18:10 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:20 -!- eith has left ##crawl-dev 06:19:16 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 06:22:39 %git newskald 06:22:39 Could not find commit newskald (git returned 128) 06:23:51 jevouse, https://gitorious.org/~lainiw/crawl/lain-crawl/commits/newskalds 06:25:07 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:26:29 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:31:09 -!- Belva has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:34:04 Killing new shadows doesn't re-enable autopickup by absolutego 06:37:31 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:38:34 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:41:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 06:56:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 06:56:56 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:39 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:12:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:19:31 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:16 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:22:06 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:19 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30:03 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:40:36 -!- Vbitz has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:40:49 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:24 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:58 -!- qoala has quit [] 07:52:16 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:53:00 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:54:52 green deep water by reid 07:55:37 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:56:29 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:45 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:57:59 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04:11 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:04:29 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:07:07 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:16:43 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:22:43 -!- TheOverlord has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:31:05 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 08:33:07 -!- NAWz has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:19 help, I can't load a save offline, due to an assert fail - is there any way I could still play this char? other than compiling the crawl myself without that assertion? 08:33:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:34 I'm playing 0.12.1 offline, and I can't load a savegame - game crashes with an exception in tags.cc, line 1548 (assert fail). From what I deduced it's from a single follower monster present in hell - evoked air elemental that is following me. Is there anything I can do to just skip that assertion? or delete this follower from the save? 08:35:05 <|amethyst> NAWz: could you report it on Mantis and upload your save? 08:35:18 |amethyst: okay, I'll try 08:35:27 also you could try updating to a newer 0.12 08:35:41 probably wont help, though 08:35:50 I'll try that first, but seems to me 0.12.1 was the newest bin 08:36:44 nvm, there's a .2 now 08:36:51 <|amethyst> 0.12.2 was just released a few days ago, but I don't think it would fix your problem 08:36:59 <|amethyst> go ahead and file the report first 08:38:20 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 08:38:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:38:54 indeed 0.12.2 didn't help, I'll report then 08:43:48 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 24.0a1/20130601030938]] 08:43:54 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:45:05 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:45:45 -!- keyvin has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:48:25 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 08:48:46 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:50 -!- leStahL has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:58:36 -!- dienosore has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:37 NAWz: you should attach your savegame 09:00:16 humm, I think I did, but can't see it, wit 09:00:17 *wait 09:00:32 assert failed in 'tags.cc' by wagnor 09:01:34 I can't see it in a bug report window, yet if I try to upload it I get duplication error... 09:02:07 -!- Rjs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:33 okay, it works now 09:07:17 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:08:03 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:52 -!- Lasse- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:18:45 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:19:01 so, is there an obvious way to skip the assertion without recompiling the game? or prehaps edit a save and remove the suspected monster? 09:19:42 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:20:48 <|amethyst> I worry that skipping the assertion would make it crash in an unrecoverable way 09:20:56 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:05 <|amethyst> s/crash/crash later/ 09:21:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:21:33 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:28:29 okay, maybe the patch will fix it (but probably it won't) 09:28:32 thanks for the attention 09:28:51 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:29:25 -!- krag has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:30:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:55 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:38:23 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:41:11 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:46:13 03galehar 07* 0.13-a0-1403-gb8e4d04: Save the "pace travel to slowest ally" status. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8e4d046e2eb 09:46:13 03Translators 07* 0.13-a0-1404-gee0cb4c: [Transifex] Sync. 10(19 minutes ago, 41 files, 313+ 337-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee0cb4c960a9 09:46:13 03galehar 07* 0.13-a0-1405-g23033c8: Double the effect of stats on melee. 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23033c8a9bdd 09:46:13 03galehar 07* 0.13-a0-1406-gcde574b: Fix obsolete key removal when generating transifex source files. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cde574b41427 09:49:57 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:42 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:04 -!- leStahL has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:52:13 galehar ripping it up 09:52:34 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:27 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:47 !seen mumra 09:53:48 galehar: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:53:48 I last saw mumra at Mon Jun 3 12:56:29 2013 UTC (1h 57m 19s ago) joining the channel. 09:53:57 !messages 09:53:59 (1/1) Grunt said (3d 22h 28m 26s ago): Done. 09:54:06 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:54:18 hi 09:55:07 mumra: about the random crash at startup on windows, I remember it appeared around the time kilobyte added the threading of db loading 09:55:22 right, that makes sense 09:55:35 it completely went away when i disabled db threading 09:56:01 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:56:16 and to me, crawl appeared to start up just as fast if not faster 09:56:26 so i'm not sure what gain the threading provides 09:56:26 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 09:57:43 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1407-g49e1dc1: Typo fix 10(24 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49e1dc1f3ff8 09:57:45 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:24 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:29 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:00:07 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:33 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:34 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:59 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:04 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:24 mumra: so maybe it should be optional (compiler flag) and default off on windows 10:04:14 mumra: in my testing, it helps A LOT on slow machines, from 115 seconds to 21 for the first run in one case 10:04:38 eek 10:04:40 and on fast ones, it's still faster, just by an appropriately smaller amount 10:05:00 of course, startup is only a few seconds for me anyway so i wouldn't notice this 10:05:12 yeah, 115 seconds is scary, that's why I went that far to speed it up 10:06:00 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what's up with both passing th as the thread ID out-parameter and storing the handle there? 10:06:12 i find startup only takes any noticable amount of time when .des files need rebuilding 10:06:24 115 seconds is more than what I get with big scary 3d games that push the memory bandwidth of my poor netbook 10:06:38 mumra: exactly, I'm talking about the rebuild needed case 10:06:51 Zaba: Crawl uses 3d :( 10:07:06 Zaba: when kilobyte says "slow computer" he's probably talking about things that wouldn't even run the 3d games you're talking about 10:07:15 but it definitely doesn't push memory bandwidth 10:08:05 that Windows box was some P4-era Celeron, with a newish (in comparison) Radeon card 10:08:30 don't have access to it anymore 10:08:36 crawl's tiles ran on my power mac g4 with a geforce2, but I suspect it used the software rasterizer 10:09:07 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:13 it's only db not des that's multithreaded -- in the last few years the amount of .des exploded 10:09:40 even on a box that slow, it was nearly solely IO bound 10:09:54 i dunno, maybe instead of a compiler flag there should be an explicit check for OS version and take an alternate codepath for Vista+ (could even check for non-standard save dir) 10:10:01 alternately, find out what's causing the jam and fix it ... 10:10:03 I imagine running Crawl from a networked drive will take long, too 10:10:41 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:11:03 hrm... the installer puts the saves dir in a roaming directory (needed for actual saves), but the cache really should go into a local dir 10:11:09 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:11:29 I don't have any domained Windows setup around to test, though 10:11:58 a lot of apps seem to store temp cache data in the user dirs and this always annoys me since it inflates sizes of backups ridiculously for no good reason :) 10:12:26 mumra: where should Crawl put the cache in then? 10:12:36 is there a good place for persistent cache? 10:12:38 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:13:06 within the crawl folder seems most sensible to me 10:13:19 uhm... what's a "crawl folder"? 10:13:28 the folder where crawl is intalled 10:13:47 the last version of Windows that allowed access there was XP... 10:13:48 i.e. crawl/cache 10:14:27 kilobyte: and yet if you compile crawl this is where it goes by default ... 10:14:34 it's annoying to have cache directory in the save directory when you put in on dropbox or usb key 10:14:40 mumra: in non-installed builds 10:14:57 kilobyte: yes, those are the builds where this problem exists of course... 10:15:08 galehar: yeah, that's what I'm talking about 10:15:30 but no, i don't know a good alternate place to put cache data, it's something that Microsoft don't seem to have thought about in the windows infrastructure 10:15:49 shouldn't it go in temp? 10:16:17 I think temp is for really short-lived data 10:16:37 temp is mostly used by installers, yeah 10:16:51 or web browsers while they're downloading a file, some very short-term things like that 10:17:21 data that might actually be useful later on tends to go in userdata 10:17:30 maybe the cache should be in Local rather than Roaming tho 10:17:42 Roaming is correct for saves/morgues i think 10:19:35 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:49 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:20 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:50 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:22:00 galehar: is that dropbox thingy mounted remotely, or cached locally and only then synced? 10:22:54 synched locally 10:31:51 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:57 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1408-g797fcf4: Remove some vault recolouring 10(24 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=797fcf49048c 10:31:57 03tmhedberg 07* 0.13-a0-1409-g4b2e838: Fix inverted acidic corrosion probability 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b2e8381b13e 10:32:21 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:17 -!- t4nk179 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:37:13 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:35 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:10 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:50 heh, in Vista there's even a specific dir, FOLDERID_SavedGames 10:54:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:43 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15:36 -!- NAWz is now known as wagnor 11:19:18 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:44 krag: i'm around pretty often and happy to help explain what i was doing. also quite git-savvy if you want help there :) 11:24:45 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:40 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 11:28:25 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:30:35 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31:04 -!- krag has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:31:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:55 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:40 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:26 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:36:28 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:37:42 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:47 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:22 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-1410-g5dd9b21: Some more primitive weapons for the faun/satyr arsenal. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 40+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dd9b21a2ebe 11:43:02 -!- Nivim has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 11:44:03 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:34 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:37 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:04:24 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:04:52 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:52 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 12:06:14 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 12:06:17 crackermeal (L18 HOFi) ASSERT(count == 1 || you.where_are_you == root_branch) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 1445 failed. (Shoals:1) 12:08:14 It seems like vault placement kind of bugs up the view in webtiles? 12:08:58 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:58 erm shit 12:09:03 +in the abyss* 12:10:18 that sounds like the error i saw 12:12:41 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:17:44 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1410-g5dd9b21 (34) 12:19:45 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 12:22:34 -!- Adeon is now known as Adeonicorn 12:23:08 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:30 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:30:20 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:30:29 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:02 where's the starting job and species stat contribs written? 12:32:40 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:07 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1411-g273864b: Don't offer to add portals to the shopping list in Pan 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=273864b21ac9 12:33:07 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1412-g17b3749: Add a canned message to a Zig prompt 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=17b374907d2b 12:34:50 Jevouse: what contribs? 12:35:13 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35:24 like, the stats that the job and species start out with 12:35:47 ??starting stats[2 12:35:47 starting stats[2/3]: Ce 10,7,4 | DD 11,8,8 | DE 5,12,10 | Dg 11,12,11 | Dr 10,8,6 | Ds 8,9,8 | Fe 4,9,11 | Gh 11,3,4 | Ha 5,8,11 | HE 7,11,10 | HO 11,5,6 | Hu 8,8,8 | Ko 7,6,10 | Mf 8,7,9 | Mi 12,5,5 | Mu 11,7,7 | Na 10,8,6 | Og 12,7,5 | Op 7,10,7 | SE 8,9,9 | Sp 4,9,11 | Te 8,8,9 | Tr 15,4,5 | Vp 7,10,9 12:35:47 grep for a species name 12:35:50 ??starting stats[3 12:35:51 starting stats[3/3]: AM 3,5,4 | AK 4,4,4 | Ar 3,4,5 | As 3,3,6 | Be 9,-1,4 | CK 4,4,4 | DK 5,3,4 | Fi 8,0,4 | Gl 7,0,5 | He 5,5,2 | Hu 4,3,5 | Mo 3,2,7 | Pr 5,4,3 | Sk 4,4,4 | St 2,4,6 | Tm 2,5,5 | Wn random | Wr 3,5,4 | Wz -1,10,3 | AE,Cj,EE,En,FE,IE,Ne,Su,VM 0,7,5 12:36:28 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:58 those aren't updated 12:42:10 mumra: grep which file? 12:42:22 Jevouse: grep all file. that 12:42:27 that's how you find things in the code 12:56:30 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:59:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:49 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:34 drag0n (L17 LOFE) ASSERT(count == 1 || you.where_are_you == root_branch) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 1445 failed. (Snake:1) 13:25:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:29:24 !lm * crash x=v 13:29:25 4899. [2013-06-03 18:22:32] [v=0.13.0-a0] drag0n the Scorcher (L17 LOFE) ASSERT(count == 1 || you.where are you == root branch) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 1445 failed on turn 48209. (Snake:1) 13:30:34 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:30 -!- Guest81510 is now known as magicpoints 13:31:47 -!- Jevouse has quit [] 13:34:09 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:38:38 -!- Talesweaver has quit [Client Quit] 13:43:40 bmfx (L20 KoHu) ASSERT(count == 1 || you.where_are_you == root_branch) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 1445 failed. (Swamp:1) 13:48:01 -!- thann has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:08 wtf flayed ghosts 14:00:13 way op 14:00:23 haha 14:00:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:28 they are like worse than orbs of fire 14:00:48 flayed ghost (05p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 42-78 | AC/EV: 0/14 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, lev | Res: 06magic(58), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 721 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:00:48 %?? flayed ghost 14:00:57 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 11437 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), malmutate, fireball (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 14:00:57 %?? orb of fire 14:01:09 It gave me the "Flay" status 14:01:18 and did like 50 non resist a turn 14:01:23 that's a status now? 14:01:24 unresistable? 14:01:26 ?? flay 14:01:28 flayed ghost[2/2]: In 0.13, flayed ghosts can deal smite-targeted, irresistible, torment-like damage that heals when the ghost is killed or you stay away from it for a while. Flaying won't reduce HP below 15. 14:02:00 should probably indicate that on the monster info and add xp :P 14:02:04 yeah 14:02:15 %git :/flay 14:02:15 07DracoOmega * 0.13-a0-1009-g96ea5a7: Greatly reduce flayed ghost frequency in Vaults 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=96ea5a7a9b09 14:02:25 haha 14:02:32 %git :/Flay 14:02:32 07DracoOmega * 0.13-a0-970-g04eac79: Let flayed ghosts flay their victims 10(5 weeks ago, 13 files, 249+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04eac7998040 14:02:44 they were probably super murdering dudes 14:03:50 probably not since you can just kill it 14:04:49 not when it's behind a group of tough dudes 14:05:00 but i like the new power anyways 14:05:30 at first i thought it was using pain mirror 14:05:53 because the message said 'feel what i feel' or something 14:06:06 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:06:21 !tell dracoomega flay should probably appear in monster stats (%??) and affect xp and danger 14:06:22 Zannick: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 14:07:50 !tell dracoomega the wounds are not very illusory if another dude kills you during the effect 14:07:51 Zannick: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 14:07:59 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:01 hey grunt 14:08:21 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:09:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:11:46 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:16:54 with 15hp dying is pretty likely, especially to the ghost's main damage 14:18:45 my biggest annoyance with flay is that if you're wearing gspirit you lose MP to the flay but don't get it back when the ghost died 14:18:50 dies* 14:18:52 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19:03 which is really a very annoying interaction 14:19:39 (actually hitting 15 HP off of flaying requires you to let it get you several times, though) 14:19:42 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:54 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 14:22:39 -!- lorinal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:22:47 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:24:13 you could get really bad luck with a crypt end and have a dozen flayed ghosts in los at once 14:25:48 I will say that new crypt monsters seem very irritating in general I guess 14:25:50 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:25:58 when does spirit do the MP->HP conversion now? 14:26:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:26 I really am not sure I ever want to be down there without powered dispel undead 14:27:05 well, what difficulty does crypt want to be 14:28:08 really the base question, isn't it? It's really not any harder than it previously was if you happen to actually have dispel 14:28:22 -!- sym has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:29:20 maybe I shouldn't say it's not -at all- harder 14:29:39 since maybe more things are somewhat dangerous but it's obviously still trivial to kill any single thing 14:29:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Rebooting...] 14:29:54 So that hasn't changed at least 14:30:05 high-power dispel undead... 14:30:05 a lot of the new mechanics are about swarming much more easily, though 14:30:11 Tomb is probably much less scary with necromut and silence. 14:30:18 is tomb easy now 14:30:27 revenant ghostly flames, more common vampire mages, jiangshi speed, etc 14:30:41 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 14:31:52 It's not difficult to avoid being swarmed as long as mobility is something you work to maintain above all else 14:31:53 as an EE type build I found crypt to be somewhat harder, but more interesting 14:32:25 still not as bad as tomb by a long shot simply because of torment 14:33:17 I thought the comparsion point was with, uh, elf? 14:34:00 well elf:1-2 is easier than crypt, elf:3 still harder than crypt:5 14:34:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:26 elf being an awkward thing to compare with when it's often skipped anyway 14:34:39 it's a very weird comparison point anyway yeah 14:35:08 like Elf:3 is sort of a miniature Vaults:5 or Zot:5 14:35:13 and forest is obviously even worse to compare with 14:35:20 I think those shambled enemies in crypt had me cursing more than anything else 14:35:25 *shambler 14:35:29 except for the part where you can skip Elf:3 14:35:41 whereas you can't skip Zot and skipping Vaults:5 is difficult for many characters 14:35:48 should Elf:3 be replaced by a zig 14:35:52 you can escape shambler miasma fine enough with open space and running away diagonally 14:36:02 put the gauranteed zig in elf:3, duh 14:36:09 yeah, but god forbid you kill one when you're blocked in 14:37:08 well your solution there is to tloc out 14:37:28 if I recall correctly dracoomega was thinking of four runes for zot and putting a rune in crypt/forest or something, but I don't feel too positively about such 14:37:39 there's always a solution, and I'm not saying it's a bad enemy, but it will be the source of much player cursing 14:38:06 adding a rune would be fine maybe, but adding it as a sort-of required rune sounds bad 14:38:09 obviously hp rot should heal on xp/time 14:38:48 that would be popular amongst players, but would kind of trivialize rot, wouldn't it? 14:38:58 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:11 rot is already trivialized with the annoying tactic of absolutely refusing to fight things that rot 14:39:28 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:58 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:14 Yeah, I'm usually too kill happy for that, so I'll just take a bit of rot 14:40:27 or using scrolls of fog for draconian caller death drakes? 14:40:28 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:42 if you have any at that point 14:40:48 A bit of rot is like having a good battle scar 14:41:09 ghouls are pretty bad in having rot at all when being high-hp speed 10 melee threats 14:42:23 pretty much seeing them at all sends me to a staircase so I can either go to the next floor or continue checking the one I'm on without actually fighting them 14:42:31 if I have to melee, that is 14:42:37 It's just not worth it 14:43:00 I usually melee them. 14:43:17 But then again, I usually play very powerfully hitting high EV builds. 14:43:41 high-EV can do it, yeah 14:44:10 I'm pretty sure at this point I just straight up think EV is a better defense than AC 14:44:35 ac all the way 14:44:39 since either way you're not going to die and if you have EV you will also spend less time being annoyed by item destruction, rot, sickness, etc 14:44:45 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:45:14 what is the deal with the new armour encumberance rating? 14:45:34 rule of thumb is try to have as much str as the encumbrance 14:45:39 SwissStopwatch: Actually heavy metal dodgers seem like the best. 14:45:45 that's pretty simple 14:45:51 Because when EV fails, AC takes over. 14:45:55 yes if you somehow can have a lot of AC -and- EV that is obviously best 14:46:01 Instead of taking infinity damage every time EV fails. 14:46:06 did anything behind the scenes change 14:46:14 (I almost died to a >hill giant< on a monster of a SpTm with 63 EV) 14:46:23 if you have like 25 AC and also a lot of HP though, in practice you don't need to worry 14:46:31 SpTm, not known for a lot of HP (or AC) 14:46:51 I think I had like 6 AC until the point where I died alone and forgotten in a ziggurat. 14:47:02 Troll hide armor kind of sucks badly. 14:47:11 yes 14:47:16 mottled dragon best armour 14:47:26 steam dragon second best 14:47:35 gda 14:47:39 I just bought a randart storm dragon armor. 14:47:42 magic is for nerds 14:47:44 Not too bad actually. 14:48:02 With 34 str :-) 14:48:13 gda: because really, you might as well just let that attack hit you 14:48:36 storm dragon armour is good yes 14:48:42 fr mottled/steam/swamp dragon armor in zigsprint 14:48:55 -!- krag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:49:05 there is a _slight_ reason not to have those there 14:49:14 it's possible the best armour is "whatever dragon armour you have enough scrolls to max out that isn't gold, swamp, or ice" 14:49:40 gold actually being good on some chars though I guess 14:49:56 If you have 2 dodging for whatever reason you might as well go GDA. 14:50:20 Casting from a SDA isn't worse than from a chainmail though, so that's very nice. 14:50:31 of course what I said is also a lie because nice things like crystal plate, normal plate, and randart ring mail exist 14:50:44 I wonder what it'd be like if all of the "annoyances" (item destruction, rot, corrosion, etc) were all temporary 14:50:47 nice things like crystal plate 14:50:55 (ah ah ha ha ha aha hahaha ah haha ha ha) 14:51:08 look, just because it doesn't -usually- exist.... 14:51:22 "Your scroll reforms from the ashes! It is a scroll of phoenix!" 14:51:43 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:48 fr rupert always comes with a cpa 14:52:00 probably if the annoyances were temporary, some people would fight differently because there'd be less need to tactic to avoid them 14:52:03 Or wiglaf. 14:52:08 Because ~he doesn't exist either ~~ 14:52:13 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:14 but some people wouldn't change at all because they'd still go out of their way to avoid the annoyance 14:52:23 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 14:52:29 and some people wouldn't change because they already don't avoid it for whatever reason.... 14:52:53 which are the people "we" care about 14:53:07 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:17 -!- mumblerit has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:54:08 -!- mumblerit is now known as Guest40708 14:54:42 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:55:00 and another bullshit abyss death 14:55:17 -!- cindy_k has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:39 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:30 Newabyss really has this great tendency of wearing you down and then throwing everything at you. 14:56:44 -!- Guest40708 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:47 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:00:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:11 tenofswords: well there isn't any coherent proposal that I'm aware of for how to make any of those things temporary 15:02:41 so it is pretty hard to imagine what things would be like if they were temporary if I don't know what this means 15:03:33 !tell Napkin could you switch the default version on cdo back to trunk now they tourney's over? 15:03:34 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let napkin know. 15:03:41 pff, coherency 15:03:47 like are they going away with xp gain? with turns? are they being made more severe to compensate? 15:03:56 sure 15:03:57 Napkin: You have 13 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:04:01 thanks :) 15:04:42 -!- elliptic has left ##crawl-dev 15:04:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:03 done, np :) 15:06:36 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:07:21 there are ever so wonderful tavern threads about temporary item destruction and corrosion with emphasis on "very severe and as short in aut as soon after the battle" 15:07:51 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07:57 like if it were made more severe but temporary I suspect I would still take pains to tactic around it in many/most cases 15:08:30 but you don't have to drop strategic consumables!! 15:08:35 I suspect the "average" crawl player might not bother to do so in any meaningful way no matter what, but then again what's the "average" player 15:09:16 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 15:10:12 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:31 most of the temporary item destruction ideas I've heard sound to me like they just turn things into "carry all your consumables, get many more messages about temporary destruction than you ever did before" 15:10:37 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:11:16 the one about making you unable to use items temporary is maybe a lot harsher against any dangerous enemy 15:11:51 they also don't seem to include much thought about how to handle large stacks of consumables... if you have 10 potions of heal wounds, you are not likely to care if only 3 of them are made temporarily unavailable 15:11:54 since then if you need to scrollblink or something to get away you suddenly can't 15:12:17 I think one of the proposals was to just make them -all- unusable 15:12:35 but if you are only making entire stacks unavailable all at once, then what sort of formula is being used? does the chance depend on the size of the stack? 15:12:49 what if you drop one potion of curing at your feet 15:13:06 so that if the ones in your inventory are made unavailable, you can pick it up 15:13:17 it's possible they just meant to disable the command, "you can't drink" style 15:13:37 My inclination about item destruction (and really all of these extra effects on hit) is that there's really only one specific class of character it punishes severely 15:13:57 But since it's a commonly played one the complaints are heard quite a bit more than is really justified 15:14:48 like if I'm playing something with 25-30 EV, item destruction isn't all that impactful even if I'm carrying 50 extra things I don't need 15:14:58 elliptic: wouldn't the stacks still merge? 15:15:21 8 EV, that's a little different 15:15:23 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:28 SamB: and then you can't drink the new potion? maybe it wasn't even at your feet at the time 15:15:34 clearly you should be able to drink it 15:16:06 unless this is supposed to be a new "you can't drink anything" status effect that yaktaurs are somehow causing with their frost bows 15:16:07 replace all item destruction with retching and silence 15:16:13 new? 15:16:15 i liked the lava orc mutation that disables scrolls 15:16:30 oh right retching is a thing now 15:16:43 but the point is that this now has nothing to do with item destruction 15:16:45 it was an interesting and fun challange sometimes 15:17:10 we are talking about completely different effects which would serve completely different purposes and be used by different monsters 15:18:43 I think there's certainly a place for "you can't use X item type" as an effect or drawback or whatever, but I don't see why people think this has anything to do with item destruction 15:18:54 I do sort of wonder if item destruction being mitigated slightly by AC would turn the heat down on the only class of character that really gets hit by it in any meaningful way 15:19:14 like if 0 damage meant no effect, as currently exists with a few things? 15:19:30 0 damage already means no item destruction for some things I think? 15:19:51 I don't -think- that's the case with cenyaktaurs? 15:20:03 or maybe it just feels like 0 but isn't actually 0 a lot of the time 15:20:43 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:21:32 but I'm fairly sure that most sources of fire/cold can burn or smash items at 0 damage 15:21:41 if not all 15:23:34 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:37 so there's this d:8 vault with shifters and a xom altar 15:23:45 and one of them shifted into a boring beetle and bored out of the vault 15:23:54 haha 15:23:55 yeah 15:23:58 which is obnoxious to say the least 15:24:00 i've had that happen 15:24:15 is this better or worse than 8s getting deep troll earth mages 15:24:33 ehhh they both suck 15:24:44 probably worse since shifters are more of a threat imo 15:24:54 DTEM is speed 10 at least 15:25:11 speed 10 but digs to look for you, so very hard to elude in some terrain 15:27:32 SwissStopwatch: ice beast melee has to do damage to "proc" 15:29:23 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:30:34 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:25 probably non-melee sources don't though, yeah 15:32:32 anyway increasing the effect of AC on item destruction in one way or another is reasonable probably 15:33:17 -!- t4nk781 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:35:18 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:02 -!- Chozo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:36:57 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:27 -!- mumblet is now known as mumblerit 15:41:28 does retching just mean that you can't eat or drink? I noticed that I couldn't quaff but didn't think to try eating 15:42:20 no eating or drinking, yes 15:43:11 I guess making it also cause loss of nutrition would be too mean 15:43:11 elliptic: it sounds like it would make sense for the strength of the item destruction effect to be proportional to the damage taken 15:43:20 no idea on the specific of the formula though 15:44:09 but then, it would also means that elemental resistance would also protect items somehow 15:44:30 proportional to (post-AC damage / pre-AC damage), maybe 15:44:37 that way resists wouldn't matter 15:44:54 (they are applied after AC is) 15:45:15 hmm, maybe that could work yeah 15:46:14 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:57 so remind me why I'm hauling around this asbestos armour again 15:48:32 giftdropping 15:50:11 Description of Hall of Blades reports incorrect vault floors by Mixolyde 15:52:14 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:52:26 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:49 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:57:08 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:43 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:00:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:08 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:37 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:04:46 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:07:51 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:10:23 Abyss Tiles by wesdwpi 16:11:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:09 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:13:54 -!- raskol_ is now known as raskol 16:14:44 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:21 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:16:27 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:31 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19:43 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:24:09 -!- mumblerit has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:42 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:09 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:25 -!- mumblerit is now known as Guest91392 16:27:43 -!- guest2222222 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:27 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:47 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30:17 -!- Guest91392 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:30:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:04 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:37 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:33 !tell mumra Excellent reply to b0rsuk on devwiki (Evoker playing style) -- b0rsuk has a point but you have the vision :) 16:45:34 dpeg: OK, I'll let mumra know. 16:46:16 Did anyone take notice of st's Sprint features wishlist? https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:variants:sprint&do=diff 16:46:59 I don't agree with everything (most notably, I am not sure Sprint maps should be bigger than a single level) but on other bits, he is spot on. 16:48:06 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:49:23 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:53 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:02 I think we were planning to add the multi-level, at least upon recieving a plausible draft of a multi-level sprint 16:50:10 -!- psychoDad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:51:04 where by "we" I probably mean "mumra" 16:51:11 zigsprint 16:51:23 <|amethyst> yeah, zigsprint could use it 16:51:44 or who was it who said they'd figured out how to do it? 16:51:49 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:56 Would also solve some funny issues like silent ghosts (i forgot their name) overlapping to another floor. 16:52:04 Which saved my ass once on a mummy floor. 16:52:14 And is obviously not present in a normal ziggurat. 16:52:15 <|amethyst> and monster teleports 16:52:30 Though on the other hand, you're not XL10 when you face a ziggurat either. 16:53:19 <|amethyst> could even re-enable player teleport (but currently that's handled by game_is_sprint() calls in various places so would need its own work) 16:53:28 SamB: okay, okay, I am too purist :) 16:53:38 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:49 <|amethyst> so I'dd add "ability to select whether teleports work" to st's wishlist 16:53:55 <|amethyst> s/'dd/'d/ 16:54:14 yes, Sprint maps should be able to set as much of the rules in the des file as possible 16:55:18 fr higher xl experience rates in zigsprint 16:55:30 Because xl17 @ floor 20 is good news. 16:55:34 Bloax: that would be one application, indeed 16:56:04 Spoiler: Unless you have a miracle on you, you'll likely get tormented and hellfried and die in a couple of turns. 16:56:18 sounds as good a death as any 16:56:34 Bonus point for French fries from hell! 16:56:44 While you'd normally do that too, getting down from 120 hp is much easier than from ~230 16:57:01 <|amethyst> that's a single torment 16:57:24 <|amethyst> well, maybe a few if you have kiku or rN+++ or such 16:57:26 Plus five surplus HP, take note! 16:57:28 While you'd normally do that too 16:57:29 :p 16:58:06 And well, Vaults-stuff floors aren't too nice either when you're around that health mark. 16:58:23 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Quit: Take my advice. I don't use it anyway] 16:58:27 Because they usually have a whole army of stuff and you don't have enough health to tank many of them. 16:58:54 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 17:02:47 g'night then 17:02:48 oh, -Tele isn't already allowed on encompass vaults? 17:03:21 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:39 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:17 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:18 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:11:12 <|amethyst> SamB: no, just no_tele_control, not_mappable, and no_magic_mapping 17:11:25 <|amethyst> well 17:11:48 <|amethyst> I'm not sure what would happen if you marked the whole level no_tele_into 17:11:57 obviously the per-square flag isn't the right thing since that won't display the "-Tele" 17:12:47 (and could very well crash or hang the game) 17:13:37 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:13:44 <|amethyst> and it could be interesting for other reasons to have places you can't teleport *from* 17:14:30 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:15:44 |amethyst: true! 17:17:37 <|amethyst> kilobyte: btw, inner flame on a djinni is fun, thanks for the +2 hexes :) 17:19:42 -!- sacje has quit [Changing host] 17:20:38 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 17:22:38 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22:39 -!- tgcid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:14 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:26:34 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:28:07 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:30:25 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 17:31:12 Don't send extra messages to everyone when a WebTiles spectator joins by Medar 17:33:19 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:39:52 Medar for dev? 17:39:56 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:40:10 It's a buggy patch :p 17:40:13 oh 17:40:15 -!- 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SamB: ChrisOelmueller in ##crawl 17:44:29 <|amethyst> ch 17:44:38 yeah 17:45:05 <|amethyst> lots of these probably would have gone in earlier were it not for the tournament 17:45:08 <|amethyst> gah 17:45:12 <|amethyst> I just did the same damn thing 17:45:18 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 17:46:02 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:05 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:14 <|amethyst> !tell Grunt why not make dryad a different colour to remove any possible tree confusion? 17:54:15 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 17:55:01 I don't like making monsters have the glyphs of features 17:55:13 earth elementals as #... 17:55:30 monster with the same glyph as the floor 17:55:38 those were shadows 17:55:39 how else are they supposed to resemble the features 17:55:55 shadow (06p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 14-35 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Dam: 1406(shadow stab) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 219 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 17:55:55 %??shadow 17:55:59 _were_ 17:56:02 yeah 17:56:32 which was the thing that was inexplicably glowing 17:56:38 shadow fiends 17:56:43 Shadow Fiend (061) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 76-122 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2505(pain), 1513(drain), 1513(drain) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2784 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), b.draining (3d22), torment symbol, dispel undead (3d27) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 17:56:43 %??shadow fiend 17:56:51 (not shown by chei) 17:57:10 it doesn't glow anymore anyway does it? 17:57:24 why is it capitalized 17:57:34 Fiends are Big Deals 17:57:47 And So Are Hell Sentinels 17:57:55 no idea why executioners have caps though 17:58:01 Hell Sentinel (071) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 121-164 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4645 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), melee, iron shot (3d33) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 17:58:01 %??hell sentinel 17:58:11 Executioner (151) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 50-86 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2377 | Sp: pain (d14), haste | Sz: Large | Int: high. 17:58:11 %??executioner 17:58:13 because execution is a form of... capital punishment 17:58:15 ho ho ho 17:58:22 maybe it's because they're all 1s 17:58:30 * geekosaur sticks a feather in it 17:58:51 XTAHUA (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 133 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 17, 2007(trample) | 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(177), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 5449 | Sp: flame blast (3d38) | Sz: Huge | Int: normal. 17:58:51 %??xtahua name:XTAHUA n_rpl 17:59:37 fr 18:01:52 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:13 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:05:40 -!- notlainiw has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:50 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:06:11 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:21 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:10:06 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:32 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:11:37 -!- Vizer__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:24 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:14:52 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:15:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:15:55 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:15 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25:35 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:25:39 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 18:32:52 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 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20:08:10 Grunt: shouldn't satyrs be H? 20:11:32 yo, for the djinn desc text in the help file 20:12:08 it's obvious that their creator wanted them to be able to drink so that they could drink with other things/the god 20:12:17 what use is being a genie if you can't enjoy alcohol 20:13:13 good thing there's no alcohol in crawl. 20:13:22 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 20:13:23 atomicthumbs: I think that Altair's intoxication works on djinn. Without hunger, they have all time in the world to scum pan for a book. 20:13:37 <|amethyst> s/alcohol/potions of confusion/ 20:13:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:14:02 <|amethyst> also, they can eat a couple of things 20:15:05 ambrosia and royal jelly? 20:15:22 <|amethyst> I guess they *can* eat others 20:15:29 So, I'm about to clean-up makeitem.cc and I have a couple questions. Would anybody mind answering them? 20:15:30 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:16:44 <|amethyst> bh: those are the ones that have an effect... apparently they can eat anything (though you need gourmand to be able to eat corpses) 20:17:26 <|amethyst> reaver: ask away, but I can't guarantee I'll know the answer 20:17:37 Don't worry, this is simple stuff. 20:18:47 First, the current code makes use of a lot of fall-throughs. For example, it might brand dagger with returning, but then it will fall-through to the code for branding long blades. 20:19:28 Should I use functions to replicate this effect or this incorporate into the random_choose_weighted() call that brands the daggers? 20:20:46 <|amethyst> depends on how complex that makes it... it would be good to avoid duplicating the short blade weights, but it's not worth making the code twice as long 20:21:38 <|amethyst> which random_choose_weighted are you using? 20:22:02 There's more than one function called random_chooe_weighted? 20:22:06 <|amethyst> three in fact 20:22:07 -!- Alexor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:22:18 welcome to crawl code 20:22:23 <|amethyst> one that takes a long argument list, one that takes a vector, and one that takes a FixedVector of weights 20:22:34 <|amethyst> s/a vector/a vector of pairs/ 20:22:41 I think the first one. 20:22:50 <|amethyst> hm 20:23:16 rc = random_choose_weighted(30, SPMSL_FLAME, 30, SPMSL_FROST) 20:23:25 <|amethyst> yeah, that's the first 20:24:50 <|amethyst> perhaps: pick a sbl brand, and if SPWPN_NORMAL was chosen, pick a dagger-specific brand? 20:25:20 That's basically what I was thinking. 20:25:28 That would be the function option. 20:25:53 <|amethyst> yeah, I think that's best then 20:26:04 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:26:05 <|amethyst> otherwise the two copies of the other weights will fall out of sync 20:26:18 <|amethyst> OTOH, maybe we'd want different probabilities for daggers 20:26:37 <|amethyst> so that they're not more likely to have an ego than other sbls 20:26:51 <|amethyst> but if so that can be changed later 20:27:16 Ok, I'll implement it that way. 20:28:20 forest is too easy, buff it 20:28:49 tree octopus 20:29:42 nethack style nymphs everywhere 20:30:10 I keep hoping they'll get added to crawl some day, even though it'll never happen 20:30:36 gammafunk: why would you assume they would never happen? We already have Maurice. 20:30:37 i would be so happy if someone added tree octopodes 20:31:05 reaver: devs don't like copying from nethack generally, and the consensus has been that Maurice is 'enough' 20:31:30 I strongly disagree of course, but I'm clearly not in the majority opinion among players (I've asked like everyone) 20:31:51 It happens. 20:31:56 also i have never seen maurice steal anything 20:32:06 is/was he bugge dor something? 20:32:06 he's stolen wands and such from me 20:32:22 i guess i'm just hard to steal from 20:32:23 he was bugged for ages, got fixed recently 20:32:24 but he is usually not too dangerous, it's tue 20:32:32 Maybe we should give him a ranged attack that does it. "Maurice apports the wand from you pocket." 20:32:42 certainly steals a lot now again 20:33:20 netback nymphs charm you, stealing your armor and/or weapon, and then tele away 20:33:23 it's so hilarious 20:33:57 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:34:09 and with invis being a permanent attrib in netback, if one does manage to get invisible they're truly a nightmare 20:34:33 nymphs in nethack are mega annoying, at least maurice only ever appears once and isn't guaranteed 20:34:41 note that that stealing thing for nymphs and leprechauns predates net?ack, I recall it being in the original rogue 20:34:45 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:55 and it was annoying as hell there too 20:35:08 yeah, I'm like the only person who likes them 20:35:13 yeah but the rogue and nethack devs liked things that were annoying 20:35:59 This year will be the ten year anniversary of nethack's last update. 20:36:03 but that's great to hear that it's in rogue. I'll just bring that up repeatedly in web tiles when I initiate the nymph argument again 20:36:30 Which means that Crawl will soon have most of its development done post-Nethack. 20:36:42 Or already has. 20:37:08 Yes, the second comment was correct. 20:37:26 <|amethyst> reaver: crawl predates 2003 20:37:31 <|amethyst> dcss doesn't though 20:37:31 It's done a really nice job of not copying annoying things from nethack (nymphs being an unfortunate exception, of course) 20:37:36 you.depth() is how deep you are in the branch, right 20:37:38 luawise 20:38:47 <|amethyst> nicolae-: yes 20:38:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:37 danke 20:39:44 and yet the Debian package was updated within the year 20:41:26 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:42:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:25 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1414-ga9e5945: Unsilence Jory's tower, other tweaks 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9e5945c5362 20:53:31 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:55:17 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:57:15 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 21:00:34 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:21 -!- repent has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:09:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:09:27 -!- reaver has quit [] 21:14:45 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:15:55 wait so jory isn't a joke any more? 21:16:57 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:29:01 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte would you care to take a look at #7146 and see if you can fix wagnor's save? I'm still not sure about the underlying cause (i.e. what dead thing was added to a transit list) 21:29:02 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 21:30:28 * Grunt appears! 21:30:47 |amethyst: can *you* think of a good foresty colour for dryads? :b 21:31:17 <|amethyst> Grunt: cyan? 21:31:24 <|amethyst> lightcyan maybe 21:31:31 white 21:32:04 comedy option: lightmagenta 21:32:17 dryad (137) | Spd: 10 (move: 120%) | HD: 10 | HP: 55-75 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 10 | spellcaster | Res: 06magic(93) | Vul: 04fire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 634 | Sp: awaken forest | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:32:17 %??dryad col:lightmagenta 21:32:20 (my eyes!) 21:32:47 I could make them yellow, like a certain ex-golem. 21:32:53 dryad (087) | Spd: 10 (move: 120%) | HD: 10 | HP: 55-75 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 10 | spellcaster | Res: 06magic(93) | Vul: 04fire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 634 | Sp: awaken forest | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:32:53 %??dryad col:yellow 21:33:04 works for me, yellow is a perfectly valid forest color 21:33:13 greens/yellows/browns 21:33:26 /oranges/reds <_< 21:33:29 blue 21:33:29 (ok, colour) 21:33:48 have dryads flicker between light magenta and yellow 21:34:04 * Grunt gestures at nicolae-. nicolae- is devoured by a tear in reality. 21:34:14 <|amethyst> colour:elven 21:34:45 joke's on you, the abyss is where i came from in the first place 21:35:14 nicolae is secretly lugonu 21:35:38 ontoclasm: no, that's bh. 21:35:48 i thought bh was makhleb 21:35:59 i'm an ancient zyme 21:38:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:42:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:58 -!- SaintWacko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:44:16 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:48:43 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-1415-g3d1b4bc: Update Jory's description slightly. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d1b4bc2aed7 21:48:43 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-1416-gccd2e42: Minor adjustments to a couple of forest monsters. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 24+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccd2e42676a5 21:49:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:51:13 -!- orionstein has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:52:58 -!- rkd has quit [] 21:54:17 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:30 I heard there was a party? 21:55:01 doh 21:55:01 Party? Where?? 21:55:04 -!- krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:56:20 They're obviously partying types :) 21:57:07 -!- notlainiw is now known as lainiw 21:58:40 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:25 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:07:43 <|amethyst> so, should djinni rC really divide by 2 even when the number is negative? 22:07:58 <|amethyst> see #7139 22:10:18 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:25 <|amethyst> currently they can't get rC--- 22:11:27 <|amethyst> I was thinking if (--rc > 0) rc /= 2; 22:11:55 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:12:43 <|amethyst> err, no 22:12:46 <|amethyst> that could give -4 22:13:33 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 LOFi) ASSERT(count == 1 || you.where_are_you == root_branch) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 1445 failed. (Forest:1) 22:15:01 -!- TheKraken has quit [Quit: TheKraken] 22:15:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:03 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18:06 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 22:18:18 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: Arivia] 22:21:34 Sky2 (L1 DjDK) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 112 / 15 (D:1) 22:21:40 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 22:21:40 o_O 22:21:47 !lm Sky2 crash -log 22:21:47 2. Sky2, XL1 DjDK, T:147 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sky2/crash-Sky2-20130604-032133.txt 22:21:52 Sky2 (L1 DjDK) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 100 / 15 (D:1) 22:23:13 Sky2 (L1 DjDK) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 128 / 15 (D:1) 22:25:15 <|amethyst> Grunt: he's doing crawl.process_keys() from inside an autopickup_func 22:25:25 <|amethyst> Grunt: this has come up before 22:25:48 Oh. 22:26:15 |amethyst: somehow that error doesn't sound entirely appropriate 22:27:10 <|amethyst> SamB: yeah, now that I look at the dump... 22:27:37 <|amethyst> SamB: who knows what trying to reenter could have screwed up :) 22:28:26 I mean maybe we ought to try and detect such innapropriate reentries 22:28:33 <|amethyst> yes 22:29:15 -!- nicolae- has quit [] 22:31:35 <|amethyst> I can't seem to find it on mantis 22:32:02 <|amethyst> I know this has come up before, and was discussed in this channel 22:32:12 <|amethyst> not sure what to grep for though 22:34:22 Sky2 (L2 DjDK) ERROR in 'bitary.h' at line 62: bit vector range error: 64 / 15 (D:1) 22:34:46 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:57 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/%23%23crawl-dev-20130121.log 22:36:40 -!- repent has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:17 <|amethyst> oh, last time it was SKy... 22:38:21 <|amethyst> s/K/k/ 22:39:29 <|amethyst> I guess the functions that call lua like this could toggle some flag at start and end 22:39:43 <|amethyst> but we didn't actually implement that 22:44:26 |amethyst: rC-- and lower doesn't have any effect for most purposes, but yeah, this feels weird and was unintended 22:44:26 kilobyte: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:44:37 |amethyst: or maybe we should just set something on entering the main loop, and unset it temporarily when re-entering DOES make sense 22:44:53 <|amethyst> SamB: I think I made that suggesting in that chat log :) 22:44:58 <|amethyst> kilobyte: working on it 22:45:24 I'm not sure if rC++ and rC+ doing the same is good -- confuses people 22:45:50 I wanted it to be easy to get rC0 but hard for rC+ 22:46:02 !apt lo 22:46:03 Could not understand "lo" 22:46:20 but perhaps it's not worth player complaints 22:46:25 *coughcough* 22:47:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: just rC- seems like not enough to make up for rHellfire 22:47:38 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and rC-- makes it hard to get to neutral 22:51:27 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 22:52:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:54:25 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:54:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 22:54:40 -!- mumblerit has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:54:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:55:31 -!- Sleep-Muta has quit [] 22:57:01 -!- timpakay has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:00:38 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:50 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:07:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:07:33 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:07:42 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so, what do you think for Djinn rC? 23:08:05 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: no sense fixing the current formula for negative numbers if it's going to be changed soon 23:09:12 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:09:20 having the vulnerability in late game places is probably too harsh 23:09:35 Prevent reentrant process_command by neil 23:09:53 <|amethyst> oop 23:10:11 <|amethyst> I gave it an implementable name but didn't make it an implementable 23:10:22 it's unlikely you won't have a single source of rC, having two usable simultaneously is not so guaranteed 23:14:26 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:14:38 Incorrect Djinn Messaging: HP restored. by brendan 23:14:54 someone in ##crawl suggested just fixing them at rC- which i like a lot more than having some custom formula at least 23:17:57 what do you mean by "fixing"? 23:18:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: always rC- no matter what you wear 23:18:16 <|amethyst> I would assume 23:18:17 as in, can't be changed, the same way they always have fire immunity 23:18:19 yeah 23:18:33 kilobyte just said that would be too harsh 23:18:36 that's way better than funny rC- 23:18:49 <|amethyst> I'd rather do innate rC-- 23:18:56 or did he mean rC-- would be too harsh 23:19:08 <|amethyst> that way at least there's the distant possibility of getting to 0 23:19:15 the first ice fiend will kill you with nothing you can do against it 23:19:18 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:45 <|amethyst> s/distant // 23:20:05 yeah but you'd get no slaying 23:20:18 or what-have-you 23:20:37 well supposedly they are ridiculously powerful late so probably there are plenty of ways to work around it 23:20:59 what do you do, say "no" to "do you want to die?" 23:21:15 there's also already a precident for some racing having a harder time in some areas 23:21:18 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:22:18 some races 23:23:29 st_: there's harder and there's rC- or rF- in an end game area 23:24:07 the permanent rC- is rather likely to come up before coc/pan even, since a lot of pretty strong enemies you can see in D have bolt of cold and etc 23:24:15 well that's probably less of a big deal than rC- in an early game area 23:24:22 or throw frost even 23:24:26 -!- ophanim is now known as \Echo 23:24:31 because by the end game you have lots of spells and consumables and so on 23:24:36 MarvinPA: why do you think so 23:24:39 like it does just make you vulnerable to a lot of things through the entire game 23:24:56 -!- \Echo is now known as ophanim 23:25:21 there's about no cold attacks early: orc wizards with that spellbook have it diluted 23:25:44 <|amethyst> ice beasts, but that's melee so easy to avoid 23:25:44 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:56 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:15 Fannar being the biggest earlyish risk probably 23:26:28 (Fannar is a threat to something??? <_<) 23:26:32 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 23:26:33 he always has been 23:26:36 !lg * dj ikiller=Fannar 23:26:37 1. tsouns the Spear-Bearer (L11 DjFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Fannar (bolt of cold) on D:10 on 2013-05-31 17:40:48, with 11384 points after 14190 turns and 1:02:07. 23:26:49 how quickly are djinn going to get rC++ equipment anyway 23:26:52 !lg * dj ikiller=Fannar -tv:channel=djfannartv 23:26:52 1. tsouns, XL11 DjFi, T:14190 requested for djfannartv (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:26:53 centaurs and yaktaurs show up a lot earlier and a lot more frequently than ice fiends 23:26:57 is it really going to change before pan 23:27:01 I mean the ice fiends don't actually do severe cold damage with bolt of cold compared to things you were facing much earlier 23:27:09 their melee -will- be super damaging of course 23:28:43 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:26 * Grunt learns that self-petrify doesn't make for a very interesting monster ability either. 23:30:35 just tried it: the first round of melee got me from 258 hp to 39 23:31:18 they potentially output 106 cold damage in melee on top of the normal hits, so in theory they could oneshot from 258 if they get an extremely lucky hit I think 23:31:32 _one_ round. No torment, no spells, just two claw attacks. 23:31:41 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:31:49 try fighting one with some spells 23:32:17 why is there any need for weird stuff like fixed resists or halved resists? just give them rC- the same way mummies get rF- 23:32:31 will be much more intuitive for players 23:32:47 that sounds like a good plan 23:33:15 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 23:33:46 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:33:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:25 this makes getting positive resistance easier than I'd wanted, but still probably the best 23:35:03 it's the simplest thing 23:35:11 other issues: channeling glow is ok, glow glow not really 23:35:13 and it could possibly work 23:35:19 what is glow glow 23:35:29 there is also the argument that the combined hp+mp race should simply be that, not the combined hp+mp race that is hungerless and is immune to fire and resists hellfire 23:35:33 I've watched people look hasted a good part of the time 23:36:19 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:36:26 st_: that actually works better than mere hp+mp, otherwise you can eat with no limits 23:36:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:12 like other races? 23:38:33 kilobyte: don't you need gourmand for that? 23:38:51 oh, wait, you mean permafood 23:39:10 SamB: any clean chunks 23:39:31 hmm, I'm obviously not a caster here 23:39:35 or contam ones now that we got no nausea 23:39:38 all other races become hungerless and with infinite mp anyway 23:39:39 * SamB wasn't thinking straight 23:45:24 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1417-gb5f757e: A desc for mask of the dragon. 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5f757e8347f 23:45:24 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1418-g7bb0c89: Fix a line missing from a vault. 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bb0c89ff45c 23:45:24 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1419-gd8e8c75: Give djinn regular rC-. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8e8c7592b67 23:45:48 kilobyte: oops <_< 23:47:56 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:49:56 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:29 !apt dj 23:50:29 Could not understand "dj" 23:50:31 !apt jr 23:50:32 Could not understand "jr" 23:50:44 er, that's a class 23:50:46 !wtf jr 23:50:47 Jester* 23:50:51 !wtf lo 23:50:53 Lava Orc* 23:51:04 %apt lo 23:53:43 -!- Helmschank has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:54 not sure if Dj should get positive crossbows 23:54:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:56:29 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1420-g28137fc: Deparenthesize return (scalar). 10(2 minutes ago, 11 files, 97+ 97-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28137fc85af0 23:57:17 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:39 -!- TheKraken has quit [Quit: TheKraken]