00:00:22 (Clearly monster gargoyles should do this too, along with the damage shaving >_>) 00:00:30 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.2-1-gc0885cb 00:01:15 i was also hearing that it is unacceptable to have a very solid unarmed race 00:01:22 i think crate made a good point where offensive boost followed by defensive vuln is more interesting for a buff ability 00:01:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1384-ga96087d (34) 00:01:34 and thus it is obligatory to twist them into not being unarmed 00:01:58 despite the fact that everything gargoyle pretty much screams unarmed and you're out of luck at that point 00:02:31 * Grunt goes to sleep. 00:02:34 Bloaxx: how can we improve it? 00:02:37 !abyss Grunt 00:02:38 bh casts a spell. grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 00:02:47 Bloax: could you stop trolling please, nobody was saying that at all 00:03:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:03:17 !apt DE 00:03:18 DE: Fighting: -2*, Short: 0, Long: -1, Axes: -2, Maces: -3*, Polearms: -3*, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 1, Xbows: -1, Throw: 1, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 3, Stab: 1, Shields: -2, Traps: 0, UC: -2*, Splcast: 3!, Conj: 1, Hexes: 3, Charms: 4!, Summ: 1, Nec: 2!, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 1, Ice: 1, Air: 0, Earth: 1, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 2, Exp: -1, HP: -2, MP: 3! 00:03:23 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:38 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 00:03:43 Oh gosh, they're really good at spellcasting. Maybe we should nerf that so we aren't arm twisting DEs into being casters ;) 00:04:00 Pigeonholing* 00:04:07 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:04:44 the thing about casting is that there are tons of spells in crawl. with weapons, unarmed is less interesting unless you go tmut, since you don't pick your weapon 00:04:52 (along with brands, randart properties, etc) 00:05:04 we also already have three other species that basically always go UC 00:05:11 (Which may be a reason to not go unarmed if you're that desperate.) 00:05:20 elliptic: ghoul, troll, ??? 00:05:20 merfolk arleady do the unarmed tmut thing well, trolls do the straight unarmed thing, and ghouls tend to as well 00:05:25 ah 00:05:27 and UC is one of 6 melee skills 00:05:39 !apt mf 00:05:40 Mf: Fighting: 1, Short: 2, Long: 1, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: 4!, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: 0, Armour: -3*, Dodge: 3, Stealth: 2, Stab: 2, Shields: 0, Traps: -1, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: 0, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: -2, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Fire: -3*, Ice: 1, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 0, MP: 0 00:05:43 ghouls are ghouls 00:05:44 !apt maces 00:05:45 Maces: Og: 3!, Mi: 2, HO: 1, Te: 1, Op: 0, Dr: 0, DD: 0, Hu: 0, Na: 0, Ko: 0, Dg: -1, Ds: -1, Ce: -1, Tr: -1, Gh: -1, Mu: -2, Vp: -2, HE: -2, Ha: -2, Mf: -2, SE: -2, Sp: -3*, DE: -3*, Fe: N/A 00:05:46 And trolls are trolls. 00:05:48 spellcasting is half of the game 00:05:53 not comparable at all 00:05:53 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.2-1-gc0885cb (34) 00:05:56 bh: felid 00:06:01 felids 00:06:05 oh man they go unarmed 00:06:53 bh: anyway, I suggested lowering Gr UC apt to +1 00:07:16 must keep the magic +1 the top 00:07:23 elliptic: works for me. How about raising maces and tmut? 00:07:46 i suggest dropping their conj apt as well 00:07:52 maces is already at +1 I think, which seems fine to me 00:08:14 !apt UC 00:08:15 UC: HO: 1!, Vp: 1!, Mi: 1!, Mf: 1!, Te: 1!, SE: 1!, Gh: 1!, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Ce: 0, Hu: 0, Tr: 0, Na: 0, Ko: 0, Fe: 0, Dg: -1, Ds: -1, DD: -1, Og: -1, Mu: -2*, HE: -2*, Ha: -2*, Sp: -2*, DE: -2* 00:08:15 raising tmut might be good, I forget what their current apt is 00:08:25 its negative right now, -2 i think 00:08:25 -2 00:08:37 tmut is way more thematic for them than conj, anyway 00:08:40 I made it bad because I figured it would still be useful with the high UC 00:09:03 You're right on that one. 00:09:12 yeah, tmut apt doesn't matter much really 00:09:19 But it's just an annoyance. 00:09:31 Because if I'm going for transmutations I'll get transmutations. 00:09:37 Even if I have a -4 aptitude. 00:09:44 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 00:10:34 I'd really like to keep their UC at +2 simply because look at that list. 00:10:48 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1384-ga96087d (34) 00:10:52 Bloax: UC is really good. 00:11:00 and they're gargoyles 00:11:01 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:16 has anyone here seen a gargoyle punch someone 00:11:26 clawing to death is more than a troll theme :v 00:11:37 And unlike trolls they probably aren't as stupid. 00:12:17 -!- Dixlet_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:12:31 evilmike: http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/072/6/d/gargoyle_at_notre_dame_by_jbgarrid-d3bj3lt.jpg 00:12:54 that's quite cutesy 00:13:13 there's also http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG113.jpg 00:14:10 and only too many more impretations (why did I suddenly forget a word) of gargoyles where they're scary rocky beasts. 00:14:55 *interpretation 00:14:59 thank you 00:19:01 using D&D stuff as reference material probably isn't the best of ideas 00:19:17 since crawl tries to avoid direct D&D influence as far as I know 00:20:13 I think a winged, clawed rock beast is the most common depiction, and was way before D&D copied it :) 00:20:32 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1385-g845ddb7: Tweak Gargoyle Aptitudes 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=845ddb738a0e 00:20:32 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1386-g323b9f5: Tweak Self-Petrify 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=323b9f5afd49 00:20:32 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1387-g3a1cf92: Describe self-petrification 10(29 seconds ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a1cf92c1311 00:20:37 ok, I've pushed a couple of tweaks, including healing while petrified. I probably got the numbers way wrong. 00:21:55 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:22:55 now they're tenguouls 00:23:51 ... 00:23:58 :I 00:24:06 just ignore him 00:25:03 at least I did something right with Jesters :) 00:25:19 (removing them) 00:25:26 lol 00:25:26 bh: did you mean to decrease movement speed or action speed? the message says movement speed but action speed is what's affected 00:25:58 MarvinPA: ack. That will make them die. 00:25:58 bh: so it's like a weaker statue form now? 00:26:25 -!- Dixlet__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:26:57 -!- I_Think has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:29 There was also this idea floating around making them unable to move, though that would make the ability very powerful. 00:28:04 Bloax: crawl.develz.org/tavern 00:28:35 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1388-g8621874: Fix the errors of 323b9f5af 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86218744ede1 00:28:43 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:55 I'm not talking about making them trees. :1 00:29:24 -!- Silurio has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:34 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:30:41 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:30:45 -!- maarek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:03 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33:05 Bloax: I think that EE is an underserved niche, so I'm trying to provide a thematically appropriate alternative to DDs 00:33:36 That's fine now that SE got the boot. 00:34:01 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:34:12 who seem to be the only non-DD "good" earth race but they're elves 00:34:44 nomes! 00:35:09 -!- I_Think has quit [Quit: [testing... 1... 2... 3...]] 00:35:28 do nomes wear red conical hats? 00:35:45 ahem, our gnomes wear blue hats 00:35:50 http://crawl.develz.org/info/tile.php?q=gnome 00:36:01 hmm, they must be girls then 00:36:20 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:36:27 iirc 00:36:41 are nomes ever going to happen? 00:37:22 just call 'em smurfs and be done with it 00:37:50 ##crawl-dev seems to have become ##crawl-troll 00:37:53 hmm, that sounds anachronistic to me 00:38:01 much like pie-throwing 00:38:48 -!- Perryman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:05 bh: been dead for ages. there's an ancient branch in the repo i think 00:39:55 anyway, it seems unlikely they would've been balanced. the only thing more insane than walking through walls is merged ho 00:39:58 hp+mp 00:40:07 finger slipped :P 00:40:56 at some point I'd like to take a stab at making a fast progressing race that just gets hit with bad mutation after bad mutation. 00:41:20 !apt exp 00:41:21 Exp: Ha: 1!, Hu: 1!, Ko: 1!, HO: 0, Mf: 0, Op: 0, Te: 0, SE: 0, Na: 0, Og: 0, Gh: 0, Mu: -1, Vp: -1, HE: -1, Mi: -1, Ds: -1, Sp: -1, DE: -1, Dr: -1, DD: -1, Ce: -1, Tr: -1, Fe: -1, Dg: -2* 00:41:52 reverse demonspawn eh bh 00:42:21 Jevouse: yep. The other idea I was throwing around on here was something that starts with a lot of bad mutations and loses them over time 00:42:36 you could make them a demonspawn variant 00:42:50 the real monstrosities 00:42:51 ;D 00:43:42 it wouldn't work. DS works because you're invested in the character by the time you know what you're going to get 00:44:26 call them chaoskind or something 00:44:30 its probably also going to be unfun because you partially lose the reward of progression. that's a huge deal in games like this 00:45:26 eh, who made gargoyles start with restab identified? 00:45:26 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1388-g8621874 00:46:15 Jevouse: they start with potions of restab because they take stat damage 00:46:33 any item you start with is pre-IDed 00:46:45 there's, like, a loop 00:47:18 ?? gargoyle 00:47:18 gargoyle[1/3]: Trunk: A unarmed combat species with self-petrification ability. Self-pertification costs exhaustion and stat drain. They are good with earth magic, and bad with air. They cannot be forcibly petrified. 00:49:01 ??grotesk 00:49:02 gargoyle[1/3]: Trunk: A unarmed combat species with self-petrification ability. Self-pertification costs exhaustion and stat drain. They are good with earth magic, and bad with air. They cannot be forcibly petrified. 00:50:02 !learn add gargoyle They start with a potion of restore abilities as well. 00:50:02 gargoyle[4/4]: They start with a potion of restore abilities as well. 00:54:32 -!- rapgameantimage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:55:29 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:12 ??rebuild 00:56:12 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte or Napkin for CDO. 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(Orc:1) 01:31:27 that one again? 01:31:35 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:14 -!- Alexor_ has quit [] 01:36:23 -!- Kintak has quit [*.net *.split] 01:36:23 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 01:36:23 -!- neuwiz has quit [*.net *.split] 01:36:23 -!- faze has quit [*.net *.split] 01:36:40 zugundertherug the Archmage (L27 NaWz) (Pan) 01:37:25 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:37:35 -!- evilmike has quit [] 01:42:35 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:17 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:44:56 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:49 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:49:17 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:17 -!- faze has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:53 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:59:00 -!- sym has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05:42 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 02:08:49 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:10:02 -!- eb has quit [] 02:12:12 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:24:39 -!- t4nk845 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:24:49 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:27:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:29:21 -!- Jevouse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:34:26 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:29 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:13 -!- dupo has quit [] 02:35:57 qoala, I am not sure. probably it would be okay for it to not affect their mp regen, I guess that would be a little weird though. 02:45:35 -!- Jevouse has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:10 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:24 -!- gChange has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55:48 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:06:05 rubinko (L18 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 70) (D (Sprint)) 03:06:57 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:11:14 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:11:56 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:16:18 rubinko (L18 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 70) (D (Sprint)) 03:17:48 lainiw, with my felid, I found Spirit Shield can actually last between multiple fights, so to have similar balance to the items it might need to disable regen while up 03:18:39 letting it expire and allowing mp to recharge is probably equivalent to channeling between fights with the item version. 03:27:08 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:09 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:09 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 03:37:09 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:42:50 rubinko (L20 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (70 / 70) (D (Sprint)) 03:43:37 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:49 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 03:49:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:53:14 qoala, that is worth considering, the shield duration probably lasts too long right now. i think it is okay if it is a little stronger than the item since you have to cast it for it to work 03:53:53 -!- kroupouk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:55:55 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:57:43 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:31 lainiw, there's also a discrepancy in that only the spell protects against poison damage. The item calls this "internal" damage. 04:02:06 Certainly could be fine for the spell, though it should be noted that MP regen can easily outpace low to moderate poison damage 04:02:57 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:05:02 hmm, i didn't know the amulet would not do that, i suppose it makes sense in a way 04:05:52 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:10:13 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:13:41 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:16:22 -!- krag has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:16:34 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:16:53 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:25:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 04:27:00 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:33 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:39 -!- TZer0 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 04:40:08 -!- absolute1o is now known as absolutego_ 04:40:30 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:45:55 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:56:10 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:02:54 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1389-gdd997bc: A nasty hack to let Borg and Sublimation heal djinnis to full. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd997bce641b 05:02:56 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:04:50 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:17 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 05:06:05 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:35 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:08:33 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:37 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:16:14 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:16:30 the blink spell seems to let lava orcs blink into deep water 05:17:10 from watching !lg 4thArraOfDagon lofe coc:1 -tv:x2 05:18:25 lainiw: would you file a Mantis bug report? 05:18:40 sure 05:19:05 thank you! 05:23:15 found the problem, teleport.cc:random_near_space checks what is the lowest DNGN_ enum which is safe, then assumes any feature above or equal is safe 05:23:39 if the player can travel in lava, it assumes the player can also travel in deep water 05:28:11 Blinking with a lava orc (?) can place them in deep water by madreisz 05:32:14 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:11 -!- absolutego_ is now known as absolutego 05:33:14 blink with lava orc by 4tharraofdagon 05:34:47 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:20 Oops. Looks like both 4thArraOfDagon filed mantis reports. Someone should probably cross reference them. 05:35:29 Also, I'll try to put together a patch 05:35:57 hmm, maybe i can just delete mine? is that possible 05:36:27 i guess it doesn't matter too much 05:36:54 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:37:09 just fixing it would be more productive, I'd say 05:37:21 if you think it's straightforward 05:38:38 I have to come up with a new way to do the check, since grd(target) < limit no longer works 05:39:33 Seeing if I can find an elegant combination of boolean logic, rather than doing a function call with a switch 05:50:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:52 Okay, I think I've got it. Building and testing. 05:56:30 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:55 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:05:57 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 06:07:07 -!- Sealero has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07:16 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:56 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:05 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:31 -!- gammafunk has quit [Client Quit] 06:12:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15:39 okay, I uploaded the patch to mantis 06:17:03 I've also submitted a patch to the LO travel bug in mantis 7123 06:17:26 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:22:47 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 06:33:05 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:36:03 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:43:04 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:49:44 -!- Sorbius__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:01:49 -!- tigertrap has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:17 -!- jules_ has quit [Client Quit] 07:03:36 -!- tigertrap has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:05:28 -!- tigertrap has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:16 -!- tigertrap has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:31 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:08:14 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1390-g8f45906: Mark scrolls of immolation as a yellow item for djinn. 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f45906f1b50 07:08:14 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1391-g5f67e91: Mark rings of fire resistance as useless for djinn. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f67e917e2b8 07:08:14 03qoala 07* 0.13-a0-1392-g5a848df: Allow lava orcs to auto-travel through lava. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a848df107bd 07:08:14 03qoala 07* 0.13-a0-1393-g0d6c8af: Fixed lava orcs blinking into deep water 10(67 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d6c8afeece7 07:12:11 -!- tigertrap has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:12:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:40 -!- qoala has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:31 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:43 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:16:35 -!- kefka810 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:19:34 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 07:23:10 -!- Jevouse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:24:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:25:36 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:46 it seems an orb of destruction can follow a player up stairs? http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/domo/morgue-domo-20130531-225503.txt 07:38:54 I don't know if Dj casters still have hell starting. 07:39:03 (Seems to be much better judging by this one guy.) 07:39:38 But yet another thing that could make it a bit easier would be making miscasts either take only the spell's mana cost in essence. 07:40:07 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:40:11 Or take the spell's (ManaCost + 1dManaCost) 07:40:18 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:11 And it doesn't really seem to me like it would affect anything later on at all. 07:42:26 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 07:45:11 ah yes let's add another ugly djinn hack that doesn't actually fix anything 07:52:59 -!- Perryman has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:55:27 Well if you instead want to rebalance a lot of things according to this one new race - instead of tinkering with this and that, then go ahead. :-) 07:56:55 i don't think you got my point 07:57:48 i never said it's going to fix much either @ 07:58:58 in general adding behavior that is inconsistent with how the rest of the game handles something should be avoided if possible 08:01:05 Well spells already take twice the mp and damage you. 08:01:33 Having miscasts do exactly the same without effect kind of amplifies its annoyance. 08:02:01 what 08:03:49 Well whatever then. 08:03:57 right 08:04:02 Not like anyone here is going to take me seriously. 08:09:46 -!- brainwrinkle-fre is now known as brainwrinkle 08:11:06 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 08:20:08 elliptic: what do you think of a mutation: "Your spells take more energy to cast."? (1.5, 1.75, 2 of the normal cost) 08:20:44 dpeg: too harsh even at 1.5 08:20:52 maybe at 1.1/1.2/1.3 08:21:14 I was trying to put that part of Dj into a more coherent framework. 08:21:21 are we really in need of more bad mutations? 08:21:22 Perhaps 1.1, 1.2, 2.0 :) 08:21:33 wait, what does Dj have to do with anything? 08:21:37 oh 08:21:47 by energy you meant EP 08:21:52 yes 08:21:55 I assumed you meant time 08:22:10 sorry for lack of context -- simultaneously juggling kids 08:22:43 I don't really think it makes sense on Dj to have such a mut be visible... the idea isn't supposed to be that they take more energy, just that there is some conversion rate 08:23:10 And my aim was to make that aspect of Djinn (higher spell costs) into something more "natural" from standard Crawl's p.o.v., i.e. a mutation 08:23:11 it isn't like they are taking twice as much MP, they are taking 0 MP 08:23:22 alright, just a thought 08:23:41 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27:47 -!- LatinaPride has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:28:08 It's more that djinn have to use part of themselves to form a spell. 08:29:32 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:29:38 -!- bigdumbman has quit [Quit: bigdumbman] 08:31:44 does this mechanic really need flavor justification 08:34:43 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:42:01 -!- Gmork has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:23 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:51 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 09:03:17 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:03:45 <|amethyst> !tell bh does it make sense for gargoyles either to be restricted from casting Stoneskin, or to get the statueform bonus to Stoneskin? 09:03:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 09:20:43 <|amethyst> ??elf 09:20:43 elven halls[1/3]: Accessed from the Orcish Mines on either the third or fourth level. Three levels deep. There is no rune, but a good amount of loot lies at the bottom. 09:20:44 <|amethyst> doh 09:24:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:19 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:18 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:41:49 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 09:49:22 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:49:33 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:10 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:57:17 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:05 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:00:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:00:42 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:01:57 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-1394-ga975950: Sometimes give fauns/satyrs slings, and always melee weapons. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 27+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a975950c8eb2 10:02:24 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 10:05:14 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:07:27 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:35 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:08:55 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:15 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:10:55 -!- LexAckson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:05 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:12:58 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:13:37 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:49 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:15:15 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 10:16:03 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:19:24 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:21:06 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:23:43 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:27:10 |Amethyst: I would say the latter. 10:27:32 Because then one could do the exact same gimmick as with draconians and make statue form a single-school spell. 10:27:38 or well, something something 10:28:25 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28:51 that gimmick should be removed 10:32:06 -!- bhaak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:35:20 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 10:35:35 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is gone! (/kick sami for me <3)] 10:38:44 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:12 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:46:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:49:55 -!- sepik121 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:50:17 -!- Zermako has quit [] 10:51:24 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1395-gba5d055: Fix staves of power not handling Dj power correctly. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba5d05562109 10:59:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:04:07 -!- ilyak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:05:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:07:35 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 11:10:17 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:58 -!- lorinal has quit [Client Quit] 11:18:22 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:21:55 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:29:57 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:26 -!- Keskital1 is now known as Keskitalo 11:39:11 -!- krag has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:04 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52:02 -!- I_Think has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 11:56:03 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:38 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:42 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:03:00 -!- Guest81510 is now known as magicpoints 12:05:19 -!- Zermako has quit [] 12:06:01 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12.2-1-gc0885cb 12:06:11 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:14:53 -!- Ero has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:18 -!- Eronarn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:18 Potion of beneficial mutation gives no effect by WalkerBoh 12:17:27 -!- Ero is now known as Eronarn 12:21:23 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/HandOfSomething.png 12:21:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1395-gba5d055 (34) 12:21:33 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:39 ih 12:21:42 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:42 Grunt: satyr race? 12:21:43 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:21:45 !messages 12:21:47 (1/1) |amethyst said (3h 17m 58s ago): does it make sense for gargoyles either to be restricted from casting Stoneskin, or to get the statueform bonus to Stoneskin? 12:21:52 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:22:07 !seen amethyst 12:22:08 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:08 Sorry bh, I haven't seen amethyst. 12:22:14 !seen |amethyst 12:22:14 I last saw |amethyst at Sun Jun 2 17:01:25 2013 UTC (20m 49s ago) saying 'elliott: I guess you're using ground effect, hence susceptible to the ground shaking' on ##crawl. 12:22:46 is that talking about djinn hovering? 12:23:46 !tell |amethyst I'm not sure which is best. I don't have much EE experience 12:23:47 bh: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 12:26:41 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 12:26:49 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:27:53 !apt hexes 12:27:54 Hexes: Vp: 4!, Fe: 4!, DE: 3, Sp: 2, Dr[purple]: 1, HO: 0, HE: 0, Mf: 0, Ds: 0, Op: 0, SE: 0, Hu: 0, Na: 0, Ko: 0, Mu: -1, Ha: -1, Dg: -1, Dr: -1, Ce: -1, DD: -2, Gh: -2, Te: -3, Og: -3, Mi: -4*, Tr: -4* 12:27:55 !apt charms 12:27:56 Charms: Sp: 4!, DE: 4!, HE: 2, Fe: 2, Vp: 1, Ha: 1, Mf: 1, Dr[purple]: 1, Op: 0, Hu: 0, Na: 0, HO: -1, Dg: -1, Ds: -1, Dr: -1, DD: -1, Ce: -1, Gh: -1, Mu: -2, Te: -2, SE: -2, Ko: -2, Og: -3, Mi: -4*, Tr: -4* 12:30:27 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:40 I would say the latter myself. 12:30:58 even if it is just because i really hate not finding stoneskin after finding statue form 12:31:21 (and that here's a possibility for one race to nuke that pain) 12:33:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:09 WalkerBoh: 7138 -- were you very mutated already? 12:39:19 no bh, i only had dex+1 from the first bene mut 12:39:38 looking into it 12:39:51 i have another bene mut available in a store in the same game 12:39:56 i'll go buy it in a bit and see what happens 12:40:24 don 12:40:25 't 12:40:31 don't? 12:40:35 but... it's for science 12:41:41 when I call mutate, I don't call it with force, because I want to abide by rmut 12:42:27 do gargoyles have innate rMut? 12:42:33 you probably got an invalid mutation and then I didn't retry 12:42:33 nope 12:42:38 ah okay, that's kind of what i thought 12:42:44 but they have claws and talons and teeth. 12:42:54 Maybe you got the beak mutation 12:42:55 right 12:43:39 so that is set up differently for gargoyles than say, trolls? 12:43:47 nope 12:43:47 if a troll got claws mut would it do the same? 12:44:09 ??troll 12:44:10 troll[1/3]: Abysmally stupid, constantly hungry, and incredibly strong, this player race is best suited to melee combat. Learns Unarmed Combat at the fastest rate out of all skills a troll can learn, and is well suited to it thanks to having a +6 bonus to unarmed combat base damage. 12:44:19 do they have claws 3? 12:44:20 they have claws 3 12:44:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:24 I'll make it try three times. 12:46:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:43 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:05 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:31 yeah bh, that must have been what happened 12:48:40 just tried two more bene mut potions and it worked both times 12:48:46 got attunement and MR 12:49:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:49:57 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:01:39 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:01:58 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 13:02:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:13 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:18 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:36 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:52 SamB: any clue why gdb wouldn't do a backtrace on a regular assertion failure with no signs of memory corruption? 13:04:55 #0 0x402f2f96 in ?? () 13:04:58 #1 0x402f229e in ?? () 13:05:00 #2 0x402f229e in ?? () 13:05:02 Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) 13:06:24 er ... what are those addresses in? 13:06:44 core dump 13:07:16 the binary is older than the core, so the obvious mismatch is out 13:08:09 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08:36 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:49 The starcursed mass writhes in pain as voices assail its mind. 13:11:49 The starcursed mass is destroyed! 13:11:58 ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1587: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) 13:12:01 just did forest for the first time 13:12:11 as a lobe 13:12:17 it was pretty fun 13:12:23 good work guys 13:13:24 is the enchantress guaranteed in forest? 13:13:40 with no backtrace it's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like Xom charmed one starcursed ass, and getting whacked by the chorus caused a crash during merging 13:13:59 ...starcursed what now? :) 13:14:35 Wensley: commonly agreed to be the most annoying new monster 13:14:49 they're pretty terrifying 13:14:50 bh hates us, it's way beyond fire craps 13:15:26 lol kilobyte 13:15:32 I'm not sure they're the most annoying 13:15:43 they do make me want to never be in an open area though 13:16:09 Wensley: looks like currently it is 13:16:22 because there's only one ending? 13:16:41 two 13:17:01 all vaults are either chopped up fragments from my old mock-up, or new content by grunt 13:17:49 I'm a little concerned at the ramifications of getting forest rather than crypt 13:18:08 like, crypt is just instant **** piety with tso if you want to take him late game 13:18:20 you can scum Dis:1 if you are really desperate 13:18:39 Wensley: try newcrypt :J 13:18:40 imo just take tso a bit earlier and gain piety normally, he dishes it out basically for exploring now 13:18:51 ontoclasm: newcrypt? what are the changes? 13:18:59 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:18:59 it's much nastier 13:19:04 TSO piety in hells is easy yes 13:19:08 i.e. not just 5 floors of free piety 13:19:30 ontoclasm: so, nothing but ghouls and curse skulls? :) 13:19:42 worse 13:19:47 actually, it's all revenants now 13:19:47 monster ghouls were actually nerfed i think 13:19:49 dracoomega monsters 13:19:55 ??revenant 13:19:56 revenant[1/1]: A Crypt monster with {ghostly_fireball}, {ghostly_flames}, {dispel_undead}, and {blink_away}. Spectrals from ghostly flames can push past it, so try not to get pinned by them in corridors. 13:19:59 curse *ankles*? 13:20:16 ??ghostly fireball 13:20:17 ghostly fireball[1/1]: Like a fireball, except partially resistable by rN and checks only half AC. Heals undead caught in the blast instead of hurting them. 13:20:22 haha 13:20:24 awesome 13:20:28 ??ghostly flames 13:20:28 ghostly flames[1/1]: Makes clouds which deal negative energy damage and spawn spectral things. 13:20:56 SamB: then you get ten curse toes, two curse ankles, one curse skull, and so on, so on... 13:21:00 revenant (10L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 58-104 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2643 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d21), ghostly flames, dispel undead (3d27), blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:21:00 %??revenant 13:21:06 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 59-99 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4059 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d24), greater demon, banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:21:06 %??lich 13:21:54 LexAckson: what was your primary means of damage dealing? Axe or some kind of area damage? 13:22:37 axe and javelins 13:23:01 there were some tense moments with satyrs 13:23:05 i tried using clarity to block fear 13:23:27 but it does not work 13:23:40 dryads were never really a problem, he just hit them with javelins while staying away from trees 13:23:44 do people still have issues with spriggan enemy EV? this seems like less of a problem since spriggans are only part of the monster set, but I haven't experienced it enough myself 13:24:00 dryads really need to be behind other monsters to be effective 13:24:04 yeah 13:24:06 also, does awaken forest still ignore all of your defenses? 13:24:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:24:37 once when there was a dryad with some satyrs, it was messing me up pretty bad 13:24:48 forest drakes were basically ineffective 13:24:57 they were always alone so not much of a threat 13:25:08 evilmike: not anymore 13:25:12 tengu reavers might have been a bigger deal for a non-melee character 13:25:16 kilobyte: cool 13:25:27 it was cool seeing a monster with buddysphere 13:25:28 @??tengu reaver 13:25:28 tengu reaver (13H) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 15 | HP: 88-122 | AC/EV: 2/17 | Dam: 24, 12, 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, sense invisible, lev, DMsl | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 2645 | Sp: b.lightning (3d20), battlesphere, freezing cloud (2d25), blink / b.magma (3d24), battlesphere, fireball (3d25), blink / b.venom (3d19), battlesphere, poisonous cloud (3d10), blink | Sz: Medium | Int:.. 13:25:38 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:49 @??spriggan air mage 13:25:49 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 14 | HP: 32-52 | AC/EV: 1/25 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, lev, DMsl | Res: 06magic(130), 10elec++ | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1467 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), swiftness, shock (d16), haste | Sz: little | Int: high. 13:25:50 yeah, but they usually stood next to me and blocked their buddyspheres 13:25:56 huh, air mages still cast lightning bolt? 13:26:06 i figured he would've changed that, or replaced them with tengu air mages 13:26:24 I don't think that jobosomo actually did anything 13:26:35 hobojo 13:26:40 @??sojobo 13:26:40 Sojobo (09H) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/22 | Dam: 32, 16, 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, sense invisible, lev, DMsl | Res: 06magic(72) | XP: 6756 | Sp: chain lightning, haste other, haste, blink allies encircling, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:27:00 again, it might just have been that he was a lobe with an axe 13:27:04 @??battle sphere 13:27:04 unknown monster: "battle sphere" 13:27:07 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:27:08 @??battlesphere 13:27:08 battlesphere (13*) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 10-20 | AC/EV: 0/5 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 08acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm++ | XP: 0 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 13:27:19 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:47 also folks, lava orcs just don't make sense in the context of djinn and gargoyles :) like, lava orcs are made of stone and slow, but gargoyles are made of stone and not slow. and lava orcs get hot so they can't read scrolls, but djinn are made of fire and they can always read scrolls 13:27:52 it's very inconsistent 13:28:21 hmm 13:29:25 I like lava orcs a lot more than the other 2 right now 13:29:35 me too, honestly 13:29:45 but I'm a noted orc fanboy :) 13:29:48 Wensley: not made of fire, not any more than humans are made of clay 13:29:51 I think the rock thing makes sense (note, *lava* orc, it's not just the stone aspect) but I have been wondering about LO vs. Dj scrolls myself 13:30:18 kilobyte: rm humans, add clay golem race 13:31:12 Wensley: or concrete golem 13:31:19 (or whatever gargoyles are made from) 13:33:08 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:15 I thought gargoyles were silicon-based life forms 13:33:24 or something like that 13:33:46 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:34:29 also if LO are made of rock why do they eat meat rations and not ... rocks ? 13:34:50 LO aren't made of rock, they are just sort of rock-like 13:34:56 right? 13:35:01 also that would be cannibalism samB 13:35:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:45 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35:52 why aren't lava orcs listed after hill orcs in the manual? 13:36:10 like on the menu 13:37:23 another thing: if gargoyles are made of rock, why do they eat at all? I thought we were starting a trend with djinn where all future races wouldn't need to eat :) 13:37:36 FR: a lithovore race 13:38:00 lithovore of jiyva, leave nothing on the ground 13:38:01 starves in the Swamp, Forest, etc unless you find a vault 13:38:19 Wensley: or better, eats the ground as well 13:38:19 fr a race that eats dungeon features 13:38:20 kilobyte: you could carry snacks around duh 13:38:22 just means you need to dive and find some stone giants 13:38:27 a single large stone is like a meat ration 13:38:31 "oops, you just ate the Zot portal" 13:38:55 geekosaur: but it couldn't eat active portals obviously 13:39:34 I don't think non-eating really works in crawl. It's done with mummies, but they have to be gimped in other ways and they can still do fairly broken things 13:39:35 actualy I'd imagine they couldn't eat "ancient stone" or the usual suspects 13:39:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:48 some races can get around eating (vampires for example) but they have big penalties if they do so 13:40:15 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:19 so does fire spellpower go up with temperature? 13:40:30 evilmike: I tried a Dj^Sif game, glow hunger seems harsher than food hunger, actually 13:41:01 well, it can be harsh, the thing I'm worried more about is that you can rest it off 13:41:11 and i tend to dislike it when you're encouraged to rest a lot 13:41:16 can't just whack a yak then pop in a chunk after channelling to full 13:42:08 the glow dissipates a bit slower than you rest hp, so it's not a problem 13:42:43 but if you've been channeling, you're probably at full hp 13:43:12 I'm thinking after a battle or something 13:43:20 it's kind of weird... you do have an 50+ hp buffer, but 1. tapping it takes time, 2. after 1/3 you get coronaed and everyone can hit you now 13:44:26 it's best to split the loss between channeling and lost hp, as the latter restores quicker, and you can always channel more 13:44:45 i see 13:45:25 actually, the optimum would be always being at near-zero glow, unless you're about to die 13:46:25 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:47:43 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 13:50:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:51:00 hmm, the temperature colors aren't very realistic 13:51:29 I guess you can only do so much with those 16 colors though ... 13:51:38 i still think we should remove the fire theme from djinn 13:51:56 just make them magic dudes 13:52:03 i'd be ok with that, but keeping the positive fire apt 13:52:11 then we don't have to deal with crazy nonsense like player rHellfire 13:52:13 ontoclasm: why? Koranic myths > Disney. 13:52:30 this is not actually an issue 13:52:45 the rHellfire thing could just be dropped, that doesn't affect the fire theme at all imo 13:52:47 kilobyte: how do they avoid burning scrolls 13:52:55 essence is something hard to balance, food -> glow is too, rHellfire not really 13:53:01 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:53:05 even in the koran they're smokeless fire that doesn't really burn iirc 13:53:34 i could read smokeless fire as being some attempt to describe a swirling mass of weird energy 13:53:38 SamB: more civilised than efreet 13:54:08 is there a god who likes scrolls 13:54:10 in most myths, efreet are the same species as djinn 13:54:14 anyway, I just feel like the hp+mp thing and the glow thing are already two VERY unique things, and adding fire immunity etc to that makes the race feel overloaded 13:54:17 can he/she/it protect your scrolls 13:54:20 in a minority, they're helldjinn 13:54:39 oh yeah, about efreet, maybe djinn should be R glyph instead of & 13:54:55 unknown monster: "djinn" 13:54:55 %??djinn 13:54:57 hmm perhaps 13:54:59 @??djinn 13:55:00 unknown monster: "djinn" 13:55:17 there's a player option to have a glyph 13:55:21 rebuilding... 13:55:24 instead of just @ 13:55:31 yeah, i was just wondering if they had a genus monster yet 13:55:37 unknown monster: "player clone" 13:55:37 %??player clone 13:55:43 ghost (16p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 5 | AC/EV: 1/2 | Dam: 4 | 07undead, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, lev | Res: 06magic(6), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:55:43 %??player illusion 13:56:00 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 13:56:09 hmm, that doesn't look like a terribly accurate simulation, but then I guess neither does 13:56:17 ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 523 failed. 13:56:17 %??item mimic 13:56:25 feature mimic (16X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 5/1 | Dam: 12, 1208(poison), 003(constrict) | 11non-living | Res: 06magic(32), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 399 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:56:25 %??feature mimic 13:56:36 Bad item name: 'longsword' 13:56:36 %??item mimic; longsword 13:56:43 bh: I've considered the possibility; perhaps I'll whip something up. 13:56:46 Monster 'item mimic' can't use items. 13:56:46 %??item mimic; choko 13:56:53 well fine then, chei 13:56:55 yeah, it's dumb like that 13:57:01 also I'm not sure that's the right slot 13:58:21 Monster 'item mimic' can't use items. 13:58:21 <|amethyst> %??item mimic; long sword 13:58:21 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:58:38 -!- Sealer has quit [] 13:59:37 lava orc (05o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(4), 04fire+++ | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:59:37 %??lava orc 13:59:43 -!- sym` has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:00:45 @??djinni 14:00:45 djinni (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire | Vul: 12cold | XP: 720 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:00:45 ??conjure flame 14:00:46 conjure flame[1/1]: A level 3 spell that creates a cloud of flame in the selected unoccupied space. Many weaker monsters will be unwilling to cross it, but some tougher or less intelligent ones will. 14:00:56 ontoclasm: you tried the plural 14:00:57 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1395-gba5d055 14:00:59 oh 14:01:03 ??throw flame 14:01:04 throw flame[1/1]: Level 2 fire/conjuration spell, identical (with only difference being range) to throw frost. Does 2d9 damage at max power. 14:01:18 razzerfrazzin arabic and its crazy plurals 14:01:31 too bad it's the singular version that's problematic 14:01:34 who pluralizes stuff by removing suffixes i ask ya 14:01:50 ontoclasm: them 14:01:52 because otherwise using English "djinnis" instead of Arabic "djinn" would be fine 14:02:05 A question regarding glow hunger: can you really rest it off, or do you have to experience it off? 14:02:25 the worst thing is, D&D got it wrong and pluralized efreet -> efreeti 14:02:39 dpeg: rest 14:02:40 dpeg: well, the mutations they get from it are temporary (so worn off by xp) and yellow glow is harmless to them 14:02:58 dpeg: new evokables with their xp based mechanism don't seem to play that well :( 14:03:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: actually, D&D gets the singular wrong 14:03:07 beside being cool when charged, that is 14:03:09 japanese have the best plurals 14:03:26 SamB: i agree 14:03:32 <|amethyst> http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Efreeti 14:03:37 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:03:37 so shouldn't it be djinn, plural djinn, following how crawl handles efreet? 14:03:55 <|amethyst> elliott: no, then it would be djinni, plural djinni 14:04:28 what's the singular for efreet 14:04:29 -!- nmf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:32 <|amethyst> efreet 14:04:44 <|amethyst> djinni -> djinn, ifrit -> afarit 14:04:50 oh 14:05:00 ok, that then :P 14:05:24 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifrit 14:05:25 so genie and gene 14:05:31 |amethyst: they corrected it later, but not before the damage has been done 14:06:01 A whole bunch of synonymes of efreet. 14:06:21 do they have "really pissed off magic dude" 14:07:44 |amethyst: for example, http://www.lby3.com/dnd/index.php/Genie 14:08:18 <|amethyst> "Efreet (Plural efreeti) are genies associated with the element of fire." 14:08:26 djinni rc-- is the same as rc- by snow 14:08:31 <|amethyst> they can't even make up their mind in that one sentence 14:08:44 Genies are the whole "spirits" class. 14:08:55 Djinn and Efreet are two different types of "genies". 14:09:07 <|amethyst> I know the D&D classification 14:09:17 <|amethyst> I was complaining about "Efreet (Plural efreeti) are" 14:09:42 <|amethyst> It says "efreeti" is the plural but uses "efreet" with a plural verb 14:09:46 grammar is very difficult with these things 14:12:01 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:38 oh hey bh 14:12:42 should we reroll mutations if there's a physiological mutation conflict? 14:12:48 (in general) 14:13:12 Since you're kind of tinkering with gargoyles why not use this as the self-petrification icon: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/SelfPetrify_HandSolo.png 14:13:29 so no LO of Beogh yet? 14:14:42 Bloax: talk to ontoclasm, he does tiles 14:14:49 I just sort of break tiles 14:15:03 well asdfdfsor 14:15:41 *when* are we getting LO of Beogh 14:16:00 bh: rerolling is good, imo 14:16:48 <|amethyst> bh: yes; there was already a somewhat related change, let me find it 14:17:24 IMO trying to cast a spell with no target in evidence should flash the range a bit longer 14:18:18 <|amethyst> %git 93e47c4cd769153ac7679753bf69c57618ee9493 14:18:18 07kilobyte * 0.12-a0-894-g93e47c4: Refactor choosing random mutations. 10(7 months ago, 4 files, 41+ 67-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=93e47c4cd769 14:19:09 -!- repent has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:19:12 yeah, I also think rerolling is good 14:19:24 in fact I thought "3 times" sounded a little low 14:19:28 ok, then I think beneficial mutation is using the wrong code path 14:20:02 it calls mutate(...), directly. If there's a physiological conflict there, it just returns 14:20:50 <|amethyst> bh: hrm? 14:20:59 <|amethyst> bh: mutate is supposed to call _get_random_mutation 14:24:53 |amethyst: right. hrm. THen why do we check physiology_mutation_conflict on line 1575? 14:24:57 -!- fungee has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:25:30 <|amethyst> bh: because _get_random_mutation used to not do the check (before kilobyte's commit above) 14:25:47 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:25:57 what is "lava magic" 14:26:00 oh right, and you can call mutate(...) with a specific mutation 14:26:02 ??lava magic 14:26:03 I don't have a page labeled lava_magic in my learndb. 14:26:04 SamB: earth + fire? 14:26:15 -!- t4nk226 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:19 <|amethyst> SamB: spells with both earth and fire 14:26:24 <|amethyst> all, what, one of them 14:26:34 <|amethyst> FR: more 2-element spells 14:26:51 Two! 14:26:57 Well, if you count damage type <_< 14:27:09 <|amethyst> it goes by the schools 14:27:09 (Fire Storm deals lava damage) 14:27:22 thats just an internal thing though 14:27:42 |amethyst: poison + ice? 14:27:44 hmm, I'm not sure why LO get various degrees of rF depending on how hot they are, that's kind of counter-intuitive ... 14:28:29 we currently have: tmut + everything, fire + conj, ice + conj, and I'm sure there are others 14:28:47 I didn't know Ash liked lava 14:28:55 conj combines with almost every other magic school 14:29:17 hm, are there any it doesn't go with, given dracoomega's new spells? 14:29:34 maybe tloc 14:29:36 necro+ice 14:29:51 conj/tloc sounds ripe with opportunity 14:29:53 -!- BackslashEcho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:30:11 elliott: like banish? :) 14:30:24 Clearly a "distort space" spell, which inflicts translocation miscasts (except banishment) <_< 14:30:55 how about a spell that sends monsters to the future? 14:31:07 banishment is a school? 14:31:17 I'd say Stasis would be a good name, but stasis has different connotations in crawl right now. 14:31:27 It used to be a spell 14:31:37 (right?) 14:31:47 right. 14:32:00 that doesnt sound at all like a conj spell 14:32:41 um 14:32:57 It seems like your skeletons still act when you use temporal distortion. 14:33:16 At least that's the only conclusion I have for how this catoblepas managed to die while adjacent to some. 14:33:16 -!- bh has quit [Quit: back later] 14:33:47 <|amethyst> !tell bh just tested with a debugger... when !beneficial mut rolls hooves, it rerolls 14:33:48 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 14:34:21 you obviously have no idea what temporal distortion / step from time actually does 14:34:57 I have a guess but it's not really mentioned anywhere. 14:36:28 -!- Wester has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 14:37:08 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:36 -!- NAWz has quit [Client Quit] 14:48:54 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:50:46 http://sprunge.us/eOUD 14:51:04 (with a few cues from the old proposal, but mostly biased towards my own forest-ish work) 14:51:05 We have so many trunk branches right now: would anyone oppose if the current random god work (by Andrew) goes into a branch of its own? 14:51:50 dpeg, do you really need to ask to start a branch? :) 14:52:28 <|amethyst> branch early, branch often 14:52:41 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:54:31 -!- Fisherer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:55:05 Grunt: in fact, yes .) 14:56:30 !tell bh http://sprunge.us/eOUD 14:56:31 Grunt: OK, I'll let bh know. 14:56:35 dpeg: I thought you had commit access 15:04:26 sure 15:04:28 i don't mind adding branches. my thought atm is just that if he's still actively working on it, it would be more convenient for it to be in his own repo, so he has commit access to it 15:05:15 evilmike: Andrew has stopped working on it, but there's hope someone will pick up the thread (hi krag!). 15:05:27 At this stage, it seems reasonable to just move to a branch, I believe. 15:07:32 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1396-g5340ac9: Beneficial Mutation messaging fixup. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5340ac95b198 15:08:01 oi, yeah I'm coding on it now, just using a local branch. A remote branch would be good so dpeg can see stuff once I get something that can be seen in the game. 15:09:14 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:10:24 * dpeg has to admit something terrible: he cannot set up a git branch. :( 15:10:54 I do use git for mathematical articles, though. 15:11:10 heh 15:11:44 Is there someone who could help me out? Pretty please :) 15:12:25 I don't know much about git either really, only just looked at it for this - using other source control stuff for work 15:13:14 dpeg, it's no rush though, will probably be a little bit before anything other than background stuff is done. 15:15:07 ah, but if there was an actual branch, the randgod name code could go in, for example 15:16:13 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:17:01 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:17:48 possibly, I'm not quite sure how to move that from where it is now. In any case there isn't that much code so I'm just copy-pasting what I can use directly from git source. 15:24:39 <|amethyst> krag: is your repo available to us? 15:25:12 |amethyst: I'm just using a local branch on my machine. 15:25:37 <|amethyst> krag: can you do a git format-patch and post those somewhere? 15:27:01 <|amethyst> you could make an issue on mantis (category Patches), for example 15:27:18 ... possibly. I don't know much about git really, but once I have a little more working code (only started today) I'm sure I can make a patch and stuff on mantis. 15:27:33 <|amethyst> sure, no problem 15:27:50 <|amethyst> did you read docs/develop/git/quickstart.txt ? 15:30:02 is that on gitorious? I read some quickstart somewhere. 15:30:11 <|amethyst> it's in the crawl source 15:30:14 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30:24 <|amethyst> docs/develop/ has all kinds of useful stuff :) 15:30:37 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/git/quickstart.txt .. that one I read 15:30:50 <|amethyst> yeah, that one 15:31:06 <|amethyst> hm 15:31:18 <|amethyst> wonder if the wiki article is more in-depth 15:31:43 <|amethyst> it seems to be the same 15:31:57 there's also the patch-guide in the directory above that 15:32:42 <|amethyst> ah, yes 15:32:53 qoala: thanks, great. I'll check all the docs in that folder. 15:42:51 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:43:08 I'm also interested in working on the random gods. It'll be another week or so before I can really invest significant time in it though. 15:44:29 Should one of us set up a public clone, so we can both work on it? I've done some stuff with git before, but haven't worked with gitorious' interface 15:45:33 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:37 -!- t4nk953 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:48:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:25 Sorry, was just reading the docs. I think we get a public branch at some point :) 15:51:44 Well, without direct commit access, a branch on the main repo wouldn't be particularly convenient. 15:52:19 ah, thought you had that. We'll figure something outh I'm sure 15:53:25 If you want, I could see about setting up the clone such that we can both commit to it. 15:53:43 That works for me. 15:54:53 I'm not sure what would be the most convenient way for you to move your changes. There's probably an easier way than making patches and applying them to the new repo, but my git-fu is weak. 15:56:55 qoala: whoa, awesome :) 15:56:58 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:57:06 I haven't used git before either, so I can't really say. 15:57:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:13 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 15:57:45 With several folks working on the same branch, I am all in favour of commit rights. 15:57:59 Someone who sets to work on random gods cannot be an evil mind :) 15:58:27 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01:15 with git, you don't need commit rights 16:01:23 everyone can have his own repository 16:01:34 kilobyte: and also push? 16:01:48 I recently culled the list of ones I've pulled from directly, and I'm down to 16 16:02:04 krag, is your work based off of the coldpie-crawl stuff linked in the tavern thread? 16:02:10 heard of github? gitorious? repo.or.cz? 16:02:35 so Eronarn has git://github.com/Eronarn/Crawling-Chaos.git where only he can push to (or anyone he authorizes), and the rest of us can pull from 16:03:33 qoala: sort of, I couldn't figure out how to merge his stuff with the new trunk, so I'm just copying some of the code directly from git source, I only started today though. 16:03:52 it turns out that others can even add refs to our own repository, though they don't get to choose the names of those refs ... 16:04:43 If we have multiple people working on the same feature, it's probably easier to have one repo they both have access to, rather than constant merge requests :P 16:05:19 certainly 16:05:35 but dpeg seemed to think it had to be the central one ;-) 16:05:56 well, we don't know that much about git was why :) 16:06:17 bad old SVN habits 16:06:20 SamB: just don't quote me on anything that is not related to one of: mathematics, god design, go and children. 16:07:16 Chances are I have no clue what I am talking about. 16:09:43 Ok, I've got a clone at git://gitorious.org/~qoala/crawl/qoala-crawl.git 16:10:50 krag, if you've already started merging the existing random god stuff with all the trunk stuff, it might be easiest if you start from the maste, create a random_god branch, then move in the new stuff. 16:11:05 s/maste,/master,/ 16:12:22 qoala, I'll look into it, just reading the dev docs atm. 16:17:37 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:37 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 16:17:37 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:36 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 16:20:35 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:02 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: Arivia] 16:24:18 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 16:25:19 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:25:42 !tell bh Missed something on the first pass; see instead http://sprunge.us/LCiJ 16:25:43 Grunt: OK, I'll let bh know. 16:26:19 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:27:48 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:25 ontoclasm, I'm watching Cactus on cszo in Forest right now, and I have to say that your faun et al tiles look much better than mine do in context :) 16:31:34 (Actually, s/in context//, but that's beside the point <_<) 16:35:05 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:35:32 hah >.< 16:35:46 well, i'm glad you like them 16:36:01 ......we do need better floor tiles for this place though 16:37:34 I agree. 16:37:50 ontoclasm, did you see that patch I !told bh earlier? 16:38:05 I could use a tile there to fill in a TODO if/when this goes forward :) 16:41:38 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:41:57 ...do dryads have both maintain range and batty movement 16:42:07 Hm? They just hav maintain range right now. 16:42:16 okay 16:42:30 i guess it was just running away in a really stupid manner 16:50:47 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:50:49 -!- SomeoneAwful_ is now known as SomeoneAwful 16:54:22 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:38 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:46 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:58:53 Hey, I was doing some source diving and I can't find the "you.skill()" function in the source Could somebody explain where it is? 16:59:09 m - the +1 helmet of the Hanged Man {Str+3 Dex+4} 16:59:13 (see in Cactus' game) 16:59:26 well, the hanged man ain't usin' it no more 16:59:48 reaver: player.cc::6290 (ish) 16:59:56 Thanks 16:59:59 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:23 the enchantress' hall seems problematic because it has no trees in it 17:00:36 so the dryads and druids can't do anything 17:00:46 and that's not oak-ay 17:00:58 .... 17:00:59 Druids have spells other than awaken trees, and the dryads aren't placed by the vault. 17:01:13 put a tree in there anyway 17:01:20 reaver: anything invoked like you.foo() will be named player::foo or actor::foo 17:01:24 put trees everywhere, my latest vault-design campaign 17:01:38 helltrees, pantrees, abysstrees, labtrees 17:01:54 SamB, thanks for the pointer. I was using grep to try and find you.skill. I though the . might mean something odd in c++. 17:02:10 you.skill is a lua thing, the c++ implementation would be different 17:02:15 oh 17:02:44 lua stuff is a bit harder to find 17:03:12 grep for the thing after the dot under dat/ and in l_*.cc 17:04:12 lua definition is in l_you.cc 17:04:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:19 -!- ragingrage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:41 designing vaults for dis is kind of a pain what with all the grid layouts 17:07:54 nicolae-: use the layout_ tags! 17:08:06 i do keep forgetting those exist 17:08:44 can you use !layout_ to exclude from just one layout 17:09:15 Nope. 17:09:47 well, nuts 17:10:20 it's not an entirely nuts idea 17:10:22 is there a list of layouts eligible in each branch 17:10:47 To head off confusion, the layout_ tags refer to layout types, not layouts themselves. 17:10:59 ah, well, that's handy 17:11:30 so, do we have an automatism to update something like hangedman's spreadsheet yet 17:11:50 ah, the layout type in &^E 17:12:00 possibly involving trained monkeys 17:12:30 nicolae-: layout types for Dis are _city, _rooms, and _maze. 17:13:13 ah 17:13:17 i'll get the hang of this eventually 17:17:16 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:32 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:18 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:21:20 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:21:58 ??hopr 17:21:59 bh: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:21:59 I don't have a page labeled hopr in my learndb. 17:22:02 !messages 17:22:03 (1/3) |amethyst said (2h 48m 15s ago): just tested with a debugger... when !beneficial mut rolls hooves, it rerolls 17:22:09 !messages 17:22:10 (1/2) Grunt said (2h 25m 38s ago): http://sprunge.us/eOUD 17:23:01 !messages 17:23:02 (1/1) Grunt said (57m 19s ago): Missed something on the first pass; see instead http://sprunge.us/LCiJ 17:23:52 Grunt: they might be too vanilla, but that's basically exactly what I was thinking 17:26:25 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-1397-g9c04ea8: Unshare the definitions of ex spriggan_forest vaults. 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 55+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c04ea8ce964 17:26:27 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:26:48 ontoclasm: pushed a commit to that vault I worked on before, I'll skip the rest if you want to mess with it 17:27:19 the palace for example should have no druids and possibly berserkers 17:27:54 !lg * won crace=gargoyle 17:27:55 6. FilthyApe the Farming Petrodigitator (L27 GrEE), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-06-02 21:09:17, with 8032363 points after 229231 turns and 14:14:30. 17:32:19 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:57 !lg * won LO 17:32:57 7. Tangents the Axe Maniac (L27 LOBe), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-06-01 19:26:16, with 1646205 points after 78534 turns and 5:45:18. 17:33:22 -!- Arivia has quit [Client Quit] 17:33:39 -!- qoala has quit [] 17:33:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:34:14 !lg * won Dj 17:34:15 8. 78291 the Farming Talismancer (L27 DjEE), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-06-02 19:17:06, with 8085548 points after 227236 turns and 14:40:56. 17:34:28 !lg * won Dj !He 17:34:28 He is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use He-- (["High Elf"]) or --He (["Healer"]) to disambiguate 17:34:35 !lg * won Dj !--He 17:34:35 6. 78291 the Farming Talismancer (L27 DjEE), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-06-02 19:17:06, with 8085548 points after 227236 turns and 14:40:56. 17:35:11 !lg * won HeHe 17:35:12 10. johnnyzero the Gracecrafter (L27 HEHe), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-04-29 09:23:04, with 2155119 points after 85756 turns and 7:50:49. 17:35:26 !lg * won MfSu 17:35:27 6. johnnyzero the Slayer (L27 MfSu), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-05-20 08:11:52, with 2104571 points after 88575 turns and 8:52:23. 17:35:31 !tell greensnark is the [""] intentional here? it's new: He is ambiguous: may be species or class. Use He-- (["High Elf"]) or --He (["Healer"]) to disambiguate 17:35:32 elliott: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 17:35:49 This is a bit of a stupid question but its kind of hard to search for an answer- if you have an int function in C++ and tell it to return a float how is the result rounded? 17:36:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:36 truncated 17:36:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:37:07 geekosaur: so it rounds down, basically? 17:37:17 down for positive, up for negative 17:37:25 not quite, it hacks off the decimal places 17:37:30 i think 17:37:33 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:37:34 yes 17:37:42 Thanks 17:37:44 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:37:44 it's been a while since i've worked with C++ integers 17:37:48 kilobyte: thanks for that last commit; I was going to do that sooner or later, but obviously the original author is going to be able to do that best :) 17:37:50 3.9 becomes 3, -4.7 becomes -4 17:37:50 I really wish it always rounded down :/ 17:38:13 bh: not every race needs a gimmick! 17:38:15 rounding towards 0 is the ugliest thing 17:38:17 I really wish implicit conversions didn't exist 17:38:26 Grunt: I totally agree 17:38:30 spot the haskeller :p 17:38:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:38:38 * bh hides 17:38:43 It was probably done for performance. 17:38:47 bh is slowing down. bh turns to stone. 17:39:01 Or was the status quo when C++ was written due to performance. 17:39:06 (this reminds me that I was going to add self-petrify to enemy gargoyles somehow) 17:39:19 reaver, it's inherited from C 17:39:32 and predates ANSI 17:39:48 (and yes, performance) 17:39:50 geekosaur: so it was the status quo. 17:40:18 C++ specifically wanted C compatibility so it had no choice, really 17:40:25 (of course it doesn't have full C compatibility now...) 17:40:41 or more precisely, because it was quick and easy and the lazy way out. which is how K&R C did a lot of things 17:40:59 except for some C99 / almost all C11 additions, it's basically just new keywords 17:41:23 (excluding a few things which were legal but extremely bad practice) 17:42:39 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:12 Grunt: at mutation level 3, what if hard hits caused you to spew calcifying dust? 17:45:29 bh: mut3 of what? 17:45:33 having to typecast malloc() is annoying, the rest of incompatibilities are mostly good 17:45:36 self-petrify 17:45:47 do gargoyles have that? 17:45:54 player gargoyles 17:45:59 No, they don't; it's a suggestion. 17:46:11 It feels kind of similar to a couple of demonspawn mutations. 17:46:14 I mean, do you intend them to have that 17:46:39 if it's a "good idea", yes. If it's a "bad idea", no. 17:46:54 getting level 3 of a non-"bad" mutation in a real game happens once in 5683478967389476 games 17:47:08 it's a racial mutation 17:47:19 you gain levels over time 17:48:44 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 17:48:52 seems a bit strange: I'd imagine gargoyles to be made of hard stone, but that's only a theme issue not a gameplay one 17:50:16 I can sort of picture gargoyle "skin" having magical properties, such that if it flakes off the ensuing dust can petrify folks. 17:51:13 at level 3 their body secretes so much of the calcifying compound that it builds up on their skin and flakes off when they get bonked 17:51:35 do our succubi DO that? 17:52:15 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:47 hm, would the calcifying dust only happen during self-petrification or at all times 17:53:25 I like the idea of it only happening during self-petrification. 17:53:33 seconded 17:53:41 justification for statrot too... 17:55:51 geekosaur: they statrot because they're getting smashed. 17:56:59 so !degeneration is just alchohol? 17:57:48 * SamB doesn't hear enough groaning ... 17:58:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:01:28 SamB, you're drunk, go home. 18:01:51 I *am* home 18:02:25 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:04:11 -!- Snarwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:31 (possibly stupid change incoming) 18:07:39 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-1398-gab229d3: A couple of tweaks to dryads and forest drakes (mainly the former). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab229d3fa47c 18:07:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:08:08 i'm gonna put some dryads in swamp just to mess with you now 18:08:19 ??forest drake 18:08:20 forest drake[1/1]: tree wyrm 18:08:24 ??tree wyrm 18:08:25 I don't have a page labeled tree_wyrm in my learndb. 18:08:30 what do they do? 18:08:41 they fly and breathe wind at you which knocks you back 18:08:58 unknown monster: "tree wyrm" 18:08:58 %??tree wyrm 18:09:04 @??tree wyrm 18:09:05 unknown monster: "tree wyrm" 18:09:11 ah, wind. 18:09:24 @??forest drake 18:09:24 forest drake (09l) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 12, 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(32), 12wind | Vul: 04fire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 371 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 18:12:24 -!- reaver has quit [] 18:14:10 I was just contemplating giving forest drakes airstrike and renaming them to wind drakes. 18:14:25 (We already have an airstrike monster in the form of SpAEs, though.) 18:14:30 (in forest, that is) 18:14:45 how about ION CANNON 18:14:58 * Grunt booms: ION CANNON READY. 18:15:26 leaf shield 18:15:55 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:16:22 Wait for the leaf shield to dissipate, then cast a fire spell for a one- or two-hit kill? 18:17:06 * SamB doesn't remember woodman being in command & conquer 18:17:17 i like to mix and match genres 18:17:36 forest drakes take extra damage from metal blade 18:17:39 -!- ragingrage has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:21:49 what do forest drakes have as abilities 18:22:11 -!- rkd has quit [] 18:22:24 At the moment, they have a wind blast breath attack which knocks monsters and clouds back several tiles. 18:22:32 definitely rename them then 18:22:36 that way forest wyrms can still happen 18:22:45 (In my original implementation, they had an acid spit attack, but that seemed silly.) 18:22:50 (forest wyrms are tramplers with a surround-you-with-plants breath weapon) 18:22:53 They also, until just now, could move through trees. 18:23:16 (I gave that ability to dryads instead.) 18:23:29 forest drakes are the big bad wolf of drakes 18:23:29 forest wyrms sound cruel 18:23:43 They huff and they puff and they... 18:23:49 <_< 18:23:51 -!- sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:57 forest wyrms also go through trees 18:24:00 BY SMASHING THEM 18:24:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:21 grunt: make the wind breath also have a chance to blow down rock: i.e. dig out a square of it 18:24:30 and then put some rock in the forest i guess 18:24:35 that's dumb 18:24:44 YOU ARE :( 18:24:52 nicolae-, go work on some vaults :b 18:25:02 >:I 18:25:05 (i am) 18:26:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 18:27:57 i made a new eye monster with a banish gaze 18:28:02 which could banish walls 18:28:06 it's pretty baller 18:28:07 um. no. 18:28:09 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:28:18 implement that beholder from slash'em that had five different gaze attacks 18:28:29 could you find the walls in the abyss later 18:28:38 bh: it's actually really cool - you can dodge it so it can hit stuff behind you 18:28:40 or only unique walls 18:28:46 quite fun to have one on the battlefield 18:29:12 ...goodblink. 18:31:08 fr: unique wall monster 18:31:22 fr: wallmasters 18:31:24 <_< 18:31:35 the wallmaster grabs you! welcome back to d:1 18:31:49 except if you have the orb, and then they drop you back on zot 5 18:31:56 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 18:33:01 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:12 -!- Jevouse has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:27 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:34:53 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:35:19 -!- lorinal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:36:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:39:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:48 you know, you rarely have to do anything at all like "ascend" in Zelda 18:41:42 the closest I can think of is when gannon's castle is falling down and you have to run down, but that's through totally different ways then you went up and you still have to fight him again when you get to the bottom ... 18:44:40 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:05 Immolation should affect lava orc's temperature by WalkerBoh 18:51:36 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 18:51:52 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:56:33 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:00:34 D:4 the staircase to the ecumenical temple 19:00:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:00:43 D:6 the staircase to the ecumenical temple 19:00:45 lol 19:00:49 one's a mimic 19:00:59 yes 19:01:00 if you explored properly you would know that 19:04:36 you know about ##crawl right 19:04:59 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 19:09:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:09:10 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11:04 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:12:45 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:53 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:14:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:22:02 -!- Bop_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:24:34 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 19:27:31 -!- sildraith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:34:23 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1398-gab229d3 (34) 19:35:49 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:25 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:38:00 isn't it a bit early for that? 19:38:35 Spelling of (d)jinni by ion_frigate 19:39:15 what NOW 19:39:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:19 ion_frigate obviously doesn't read the same fiction as I do 19:40:43 Donald should have a line about the spelling of (d)jinni 19:41:57 one thing we won't be doing: 19:42:01 writing it in arabic! 19:42:36 why not? it would be difficult for most of us to pronounce, and would render incorrectly on many of our terminals ... 19:44:16 they should either be made less fiery or renamed efreet 19:44:55 and burn scrolls? 19:45:20 merge with LO, maybe! 19:45:51 (clearly use one of the extra slots to land satyrs as a playable race) 19:46:57 we already have a slot free; no need to wait 19:47:22 Did you see the patch I was poking around with earlier? 19:47:36 no 19:47:40 http://sprunge.us/LCiJ 19:47:42 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:48:22 (What I want to do is nail down the apts and figure out if - and what, if so - they get anything gimmicky.) 19:48:37 (I'd prefer not to - not every race needs a gimmick.) 19:49:01 why don't they get -99 stabbig 19:49:08 isn't 3 new species enough to balance/test in one version 19:49:35 we could skip a version 19:49:42 elliott: no 19:49:47 those apts seem pretty pigeon-holey with lots of -2s/-3s and a +3 19:50:58 so which is better for stones, L27 throwing or L0 slings 19:52:01 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:53:55 -!- Snarwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:07 ...using a goblin as a victim, 27 throwing does 3.5 damage per unit time and a +0 sling with 0 slings does 2.5. (This is with 0 fighting.) 19:54:42 (27 fighting doesn't make a difference <_<) 19:54:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:56 Hmm. 19:59:27 Speaking of throwing, I'm pondering throwing speed (i.e. time taken to throw weapons). 20:01:14 obviously throwing daggars of speed should be faster 20:03:26 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:03:29 -!- so[dkopkspo is now known as Nikolaos 20:04:59 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05:55 -!- evilmike_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11:42 I don't see how there could be justification for adding that race when sludge elves were just removed 20:12:19 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:56 -!- drage has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]] 20:14:07 -!- lorinal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:24:03 Lua crash by xbon 20:26:35 -!- Snarwin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:33 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:32:47 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:34:28 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:38:38 -!- DjFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:12 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:10 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:43:50 -!- Snarwin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:39 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:45:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:50:55 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-1399-g403622b: Decorative vault with randomly placed iron grate. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=403622bc5ece 20:52:38 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:50 |amethyst: I hope you appreciate that vault. 20:54:56 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 20:55:01 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:55:29 -!- wumpus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:56:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:50 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:57:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:38 -!- krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:00:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:00:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 21:01:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:07:12 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:07:17 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:07:50 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:07:56 !lg * vertexvortex -crash 21:07:56 Unknown option: crash 21:08:01 ??crash 21:08:02 crash[1/1]: If you crash and the state does not seem recoverable, go to Advanced Options in dgl and then Backup Save File and let the developers know you've done so when you file a report in mantis: crawl.develz.org/mantis 21:08:13 !lm vertexvortex zotdef crash -log 21:08:14 9. vertexvortex, XL4 LOHe, T:443 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/vertexvortex/crash-vertexvortex-20130603-020749.txt 21:09:00 that's not a useful stack trace. 21:09:52 XD 21:10:01 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:33 -!- Talesweaver has quit [Client Quit] 21:15:44 |amethyst: can you make it better? 21:16:01 since you have access to the full symbols and all? 21:16:01 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:16:44 I think I see the problem just working on my own. 21:18:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:20:26 vertexvortex (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot (ZotDef)) 21:20:58 -!- reaver has quit [] 21:24:47 -!- lorinal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:30:17 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 21:31:51 !lm vertexvortex zotdef crash x=tiles 21:31:51 10. [2013-06-03 02:20:25] [tiles=true] vertexvortex the Practitioner (L4 LOHe) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1019: screen write out of bounds: (1,14) into (42,13) (Zot) 21:32:23 oh, 42x13 is a really small size :-( 21:32:36 42x13 is the size of the HUD area on the right. 21:32:40 oh 21:32:42 The problem is thus: 21:32:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:50 LO adds an extra line to the HUD area. 21:32:55 yeah 21:32:58 ZotDef also adds an extra line to the HUD area. 21:33:06 ah 21:33:23 viewgeom.cc only checks for the latter. 21:35:03 This is kind of ugly, though, because the relevant code isn't called anywhere after the type of game or the type of player race is known unless the terminal is resized. 21:35:11 -!- wumpus has quit [Changing host] 21:35:22 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:52 I think it's only worked so far because the HUD is one line larger than it needs to be in normal gameplay, and exactly the right size to hold an extra line (Zotdef info or LO temperature, but not both). 21:37:00 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:41:39 -!- lion has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:42:02 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:42:20 So we can do something like http://sprunge.us/WIgN to get it working again, but preferably something less horribly ugly. 21:43:58 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1399-g403622b 21:45:29 Grunt: you can just rewrite that whole piece of code 21:45:47 ,,,*which* piece of code? 21:46:10 I'm working on using exhaustion as a mechanic to limit the jump ability in a patch I'm working on. I want to do something like make there be levels of exhaustion so that at 'yellow' exhaustion, which you'd get after two jumps, you can't use other abilities rely on the exhaustion mechanic, and after three jumps you get red exhaustion, with gives slowing. Bezerk wouldn't be usable at any level of exhaustion, and after one jump you' 21:46:10 oh, I was thinking the code that draws the whole stats area 21:46:10 only light (gray) exhaustion 21:46:25 any thoughts on how best to implement this or rework the mechanic? 21:46:33 currently exhaustion is just a duration 21:46:52 and I don't want to break the way bezerk works with slow as same duration as exh 21:47:13 after one jump you'<-- cut off here 21:47:23 oh sorry 21:47:39 after one jump you'd only light (gray) exhaustion 21:47:42 I know it's practically impossible for you to know that 21:47:55 yeah, should have broken that message up :) 21:48:13 possibly there's a way YOUR CLIENT could have known ... 21:48:23 looks to me like their client did break it up 21:48:32 but not soon enough 21:48:33 with SamB's comment in bertween 21:48:43 colloquy on os x, but I'm not very good with it yet 21:49:29 just use the regular exhasution mechanic in the game, you're not going to break berserk 21:50:15 evilmike: it seems gammafunk wants there to be a possibilty of jumping even when somewhat exhausted 21:50:17 but if it's a binary state of ext or not ext, how can I make it active after say two jumps (and still inform the player after one) 21:50:23 samb: yes, that's it 21:50:29 oh 21:50:47 it's just an idea, of course, but seemed somewhat reasonable 21:51:07 I'd rather see a new status used than make exhaustion more complicated 21:51:27 well that new status is probably going to be almost as complicated ... 21:51:34 elliptic: yeah, that would perhaps be simpler overall 21:51:42 SamB: right but there's no reason to make berserk more complicated 21:52:08 your idea is to tie this to an item, am I right? if so, you should probably make this a property of the item. maybe give it two "charges" 21:53:16 evilmike: Well, was planning on having a mutation for e.g. felids, but that's an idea 21:53:36 hm, for some reason I was thinking of a boot ego. I blame nethack :P 21:53:37 -!- repent has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:59 evilmike: yeah, it is a boot or armor ego currently 21:54:35 cloak of jumping! 21:54:39 sounds awesome 21:54:49 I'm just worried about being able to stack e.g. petr and zerk and such 21:54:52 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:54:54 maybe I shouldn't worry though 21:55:16 * Grunt envisions a jumpstab, and then a zerkjumpsmash. 21:55:56 it does do nerved stabbing for the jump attack, and (currently) 300% damage for primary target, 75% for secondary 21:56:01 *nerfed 21:57:09 I'm worried that having charges on armor and then not having a way to deal with the mutation would be kind of a pain to deal with 22:00:06 -!- sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:00:23 was just a suggestion, putting charges on an ego is probably a bad idea really. 22:00:36 todo: rod of jumping 22:00:37 <_< 22:00:59 grunt: too bad hitting with a rod isn't great 22:13:49 -!- voker57_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:15 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:17:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:45 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 22:26:43 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:28:56 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 22:35:33 -!- orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:37:05 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:04 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:39:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:59 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:01 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:47:14 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:06 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:42 -!- Jevouse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:58:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:58:32 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:01:29 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:27 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:25 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:07:20 -!- BHMob has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:09:24 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 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