00:00:03 Sooner or later I'm going to make destroying decks incur Nemelex penance. 00:00:04 is there any reason to do that other than to show up in !lm * orb.destroy? 00:00:16 ...so that we can have "Unlucky Tengu" as an actual title :b 00:00:24 bh: you can't throw/drop/etc. the orb any more. 00:00:40 Grunt: is there any way to get lava on Z:5? 00:00:40 !lm * orb.destroy 1 00:00:41 1/15. [2010-07-30 15:26:31] qwqw the Spry (L17 SpEn) destroyed the Orb of Zot (D:19) 00:00:52 bh: layout_basic on a small chance? 00:00:57 Grunt: it's actually possible to get unlucky tengu as a title in 0.12 00:00:59 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.1-38-gd632bff 00:01:00 apport it into lava :) 00:01:28 Grunt: and you can get it on a milestone in trunk, though not at game end 00:01:28 elliptic: yes, but I mean in the long run :b 00:01:33 wait, what, you can get something besides the zot:$ vault? 00:01:46 layout_basic can have a river 00:01:55 !lm * title=~Unlucky 00:01:56 7. [2013-05-01 04:01:12] qwqw the Unlucky Troll (L1 TrHe) became a worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh on turn 177. (D:4) 00:02:01 (hee hee) 00:02:12 I thought the zot:$ vault was guarenteed 00:02:12 !lm * title=~Unlucky s=title 00:02:13 7 milestones for * (title=~Unlucky): 3x Unlucky Elf, Unlucky Orc, Unlucky Octopus, Unlucky Troll, Unlucky Merfolk 00:02:13 qwqw seems very lucky. 00:02:14 that troll was pretty unlucky 00:02:29 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:02:41 SamB: hall_of_Zot is guaranteed; the layout for the rest of the level isn't. 00:02:58 ... REST of the level? 00:03:05 you mean there's *more*? 00:03:07 Zot:5 isn't an encompass vault! 00:03:07 bh: you can't apport items into lava or deep water 00:03:27 it'd be really bad if it were 00:03:30 hall_of_Zot is about half the level 00:03:35 see, I only deal with the zotdef vault that's modeled after it really so I don't know these things 00:03:45 elliptic: could you tornado the orb into lava? 00:03:50 because the IS the whole level 00:03:51 tornado doesn't move items 00:03:59 shucks 00:04:01 though it's a tiny bit bigger than the real vault 00:04:09 since it has those loot chambers added on 00:04:35 afaik there is no way to destroy or lose the orb currently... maybe a water card or rain cloud could bury it in deep water I guess 00:06:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-863-gc515b7c (34) 00:08:25 * SamB decides against ribbing bh about the abyss drownings and suggesting he come up with a way to drown the orb ... 00:08:33 SamB: working on it 00:08:48 yep 00:08:50 you can kill it with Rain 00:09:45 but can you do it on LIVE TELEVISION? 00:09:52 bh: Well, can't you get it OUT again somehow? 00:10:00 By, say, joining Fedhas and drying the water up? 00:10:07 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:12 DracoOmega: point 00:10:16 no just polymorf to Mf 00:11:56 (that does work right?) 00:12:01 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:03 I don't think so 00:12:18 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:19 you telling me Mf can't dive for items? 00:12:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:36 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:51 they can, but polymorph won't turn you into a merfolk 00:13:24 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:38 yeah that part was a joke 00:15:15 controversial commit inbound 00:16:04 but can be backed out easily enough 00:16:34 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-864-ge79a3f1: Remove Control Teleport from Books 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e79a3f13542a 00:16:50 Why exactly are we doing this now, though? 00:17:26 DracoOmega: I did suggest waiting until a couple weeks after the tourney 00:17:38 however, you can revert it now if you want 00:17:47 just no edit warring 00:17:48 I am just curious what the reasoning is here 00:17:56 yeah. It won't hurt my feelings if you feel strongly. 00:18:05 revert all the commits back to 0.8 00:18:07 I am not really strongly opposed to a cTele removal anymore anyway, but this feel slightly odd to me 00:18:25 DracoOmega: what's odd about making it item sourced only? 00:18:45 pretty sure it's the part where you pushed this during the tourney 00:19:14 well, it is a pretty huge effect to have on one item 00:19:28 No, not necessarily. But like, I don't think the ring slot is exactly a big sacrifice here if that's what you're thinking, in terms of making it more interesting than the spell 00:20:02 i meant as in, games that find it versus games that don't 00:20:09 but i guess you could say the same about faith 00:20:15 or gourmand 00:20:22 (Probably I sort of feel that if it's just on a high-ish difficultly evocation on a relatively rare item, we might as well go all the way?) 00:20:54 Like, probably I would not mind at all if the ring was still passive (even with some other penalty) 00:22:06 like hunger? 00:22:10 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 00:22:24 that's not even a real penalty 00:22:29 No, not hunger 00:22:35 like contam 00:22:37 I don't actually have a suggestion at this particular moment 00:22:41 -TELE 00:22:44 Hahahaha 00:22:47 lol 00:22:52 good penalty 00:22:54 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22:57 * SamB breaks into a coughing fit 00:23:06 that's -one- form of teleport control, to be sure 00:23:09 Heh 00:23:13 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:23:13 AKA stasis 00:23:23 well, sort of 00:23:58 I do actually use cTele like that in Snake:5 sometimes 00:24:36 it's not quite reliable 00:24:37 I like to just ignore teleports in snake:5 00:24:40 same 00:24:54 sometimes you do that and then end up in the middle of the snake vault at half HP 00:24:55 I probably do most of the time 00:24:57 I mean, I've had issues in zotdef with that 00:24:58 o,o,o, tabtabtab... oh, I have to press o again to get back 00:24:59 this would require some reworking of the ctele effect 00:25:08 murder snakes here or murder snakes there 00:25:12 no diff to me 00:25:14 but what if it scattered a lot at low evocations with the ring 00:25:36 Dixlet: you want the player to end up in MULTIPLE PIECES? 00:25:39 ALIVE? 00:26:00 it would certainly increase the difficulty 00:26:08 how about you get to teleport but inorganic matter can't go with you 00:26:16 leaving all of your items behind 00:26:28 mikee_: The return of air walk 00:26:33 Or whatever it was called 00:26:41 it was, yes 00:26:41 mikee_: that sounds dumb 00:26:44 how about cTele just means you get to choose a location where the teleport won't go 00:26:45 i was thinking of the terminator 00:26:50 SamB, gee thanks 00:26:59 elliptic: you mean like a LoS ring where it won't go? 00:26:59 i put a lot of thought into my proposal 00:27:10 common selection: "not next to Mennas" 00:27:13 that was totally my idea 00:27:14 how about controlling *when* your teleport goes off 00:27:14 "I don't want to be in LoS of that" 00:27:21 "dammit, it's next to him in this -other- space 00:27:30 this is like the time dpeg stole retaliation headbutts from me 00:27:32 SamB: yeah, or it could be larger 00:27:49 "I don't want to land in the first quadrant" 00:27:56 elliptic: Would this no longer require evocation from the ring, incidentally? 00:28:13 "could I not land in any of the spaces on this floor please, I'll die if I spend another turn here" 00:28:19 DracoOmega: dunno, it was just a vague thought of something that would retain the possibility of a bad teleport 00:28:24 but still be sort of useful 00:28:29 not sure how worthwhile an idea it is 00:28:35 a vague thought which i had 00:28:38 elliptic: I think it might be kind of interesting, but it doesn't feel powerful enough to require as much setup effort, I think 00:28:57 DracoOmega: mikee_ deserves the credit, maybe he can explain more details 00:29:02 haha 00:29:13 i think you summarized my entire reasoning 00:29:27 fwiw i would definitely use that form of ctele 00:29:39 DracoOmega: but yeah, I find it a bit awkward to require evocation for a swappable item... I'd sort of like it if rings of flight gave permaflight, for instance 00:29:41 -!- lazarenth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:29:57 elliptic: I am not sure there's a good reason they couldn't, when I stop to think on it 00:30:09 Except for making the boots feel less special 00:30:12 should they take a while to kick in? 00:30:25 A simple way of having that style of cTele effect work might just be 'don't have the teleport land within X radius of my current location' where X could be somewhat large 00:30:35 we might not want every +Fly item to give permaflight, at least not without making that rarer 00:30:39 Though I suppose that's less flexible 00:31:06 i think the boots and possibly the ring would work out with permaflight because of the opportunity cost involved 00:31:09 are there reasons the player might prefer not to be flying? 00:31:15 SamB: Versus airstrike 00:31:17 DracoOmega: yeah, that would be nicer interface but it would mean you couldn't say "don't land me in hellion island" 00:31:22 SamB: That is mainly it 00:31:22 DracoOmega: yeah that came to mind 00:31:24 which might be good idk, those are good tvs 00:31:44 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:31:52 white dracs pushing you back with their breath can be sort of bad 00:31:57 Oh, yeah 00:31:59 Forgot about that 00:32:05 (or good) 00:32:06 permaflight also isn't really that great most of the time 00:32:13 It's mostly a convenience thing 00:32:17 mostly it just boils down to not taking damage from mechanical traps 00:32:27 Well, they should hopefully stop existing before 0.13 is out 00:32:41 yeah so it's just for crossing water and lava then 00:33:20 I sort of feel like permaflight is not a plus for most non-tengu chars in late D/V, yeah 00:33:30 because there isn't that much use and titans are scarier 00:33:37 Well, permaflight versus temporary flight, anyway 00:34:03 Having SOME source of flight helps, but really there's already opportunity cost in putting the ring on instead of something else, and you normally never want the ring if you have the spell version anyway 00:34:05 i think in an ideal crawl there is no use for flight 00:34:08 so do you get permaflight after invoking? 00:34:13 SamB: No 00:34:25 SamB: But it's pretty rare that you need to cross something so large that it will run out 00:34:29 Now that Hive no longer exists :P 00:34:40 did that have seas of honey 00:34:43 you can do swamp and shoals without losing your mind 00:34:44 mikee_ knows all about levitation in hive 00:34:47 It had a pond of drowning 00:34:51 yes; beware 00:34:57 not made of honey? 00:35:06 Not unless the honey was really watery 00:35:09 it should have been made of honey 00:35:12 for some reason it was a gigantic bee hive with an underwater lake 00:35:15 go back and fix it, I say 00:35:18 well, Hive had enough honeycombs that it was basically a sea of honey 00:35:27 Hive. I'm glad that Hive is gone. 00:35:31 and some variants had a river 00:35:36 But yeah, I think the only real downside of making the ring just give flight from putting it on is making boots of flying less special, which is not reason enough not to do it in my mind 00:36:22 (Actually, it mightn't hurt if boots had some other fun ego for them besides running and (sometimes) flight, but this is a side point) 00:36:29 DracoOmega: and making any artefact ring of flight annoying in the presence of anti-air attacks 00:36:37 DracoOmega: what if we dropped flight from rings and made the boots more common? 00:36:40 i notice you left out stealth (i agree that it's not fun) 00:36:49 mikee_: Yes, boots of stealth are very boring 00:36:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:36:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:37:01 bh: Not every race can wear the boots 00:37:04 bh: So that's kind of bad 00:37:06 point 00:37:15 anklets! 00:37:15 boots of kicking maybe a promising idea 00:37:30 mikee_: those are steel-toed, right? 00:37:33 maybe with spikes? 00:37:36 or spiked 00:37:47 adom has spiked boots that buff your kick damage 00:37:49 What, give a hooves-esque aux attack? 00:37:52 elven boots of stealth are sort of exciting IMO 00:38:03 because then the bonus is enough to matter? 00:38:14 DracoOmega, yeah maybe. people seem to really like aux attacks 00:38:18 for some reason 00:38:20 isn't it like 2x because of elven 00:38:25 well, because you know that your footwear is "stealth optimal" :P 00:38:29 mikee_: Well, some aux attacks are pretty good 00:38:33 haha 00:38:34 hooves are actually a sort of good aux 00:38:53 i find them all negligible unless early on 00:38:54 unlike most others in the game that I can think of 00:39:05 and then i still want to ignore them rather than expect them to happen 00:39:17 mikee_: I could be wrong, but my honest opinion is that you probably underestimate how much of your average damage output they can contribute if you have, say, decent slaying 00:39:24 or if you are berserk 00:39:24 I had a quickblade spriggan get hooves mutated once, and the extra damage seemed to matter there 00:39:29 I was surprised when I ran some tests on them 00:39:35 in that when I finally had to cmut I noticed I was killing stuff less 00:39:42 i think i have an ok idea of it =P 00:40:00 they are a bonus for sure 00:40:16 so maybe negligible is too strong of a word 00:40:27 they don't usually feel like they do anything 00:40:38 but i would never be like ok i have horns 1, time to give this stone giant a second go 00:40:43 Well, no 00:40:58 I kind of like offhand punch on some chars, but that's not good unless you have claws and lots of skill 00:41:10 Well, the UC aux is stronger than most 00:41:18 (Or, like, all of them?)_ 00:41:41 ??auxilary unarmed 00:41:41 I don't have a page labeled auxilary_unarmed in my learndb. 00:41:45 hmm 00:41:52 i don't even know if it would be up to date 00:42:00 ph typo 00:42:04 ??auxiliary unarmed 00:42:05 auxiliary attacks[1/4]: Auxiliary attacks are /extra/ melee attacks using body parts. You can get auxiliary attacks by having hooves, horns, talons, fangs, a beak, or a large muscular tail. Unarmed Combat skill does not affect these. However, if you have Unarmed Combat skill and are not using a shield or two-handed weapon, you do get an offhand punch. 00:42:32 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:42:33 possibly it's not, I suppose 00:42:58 i wonder if the wiki still has the 0.5 data in it for auxuliary attacks 00:43:14 that would explain all of the mibe training unarmed combat while using a mace 00:43:52 and why people still keep asking whether they need unarmed combat for their minotaur headbutt 00:45:35 could add a headbutt skill that's impossible to train 00:45:54 that would just confuse people more 00:46:08 would be constantly asked about "why can't I train headbutt" 00:46:21 ??headbutt 00:46:22 I don't have a page labeled headbutt in my learndb. 00:46:28 really now 00:46:53 ??butts 00:46:53 I don't have a page labeled butts in my learndb. 00:47:01 ??buttz 00:47:02 I don't have a page labeled buttz in my learndb. 00:47:05 I wonder if there's something UC could be renamed to that would intuitively convey that it doesn't affect auxes? 00:47:09 'Punching'? :P 00:47:34 (Yes, yes, I know it includes things that are not punching) 00:48:00 -!- Ionic_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:06 I'm not really sure there is 00:48:23 since all the martial arts-ish names would probably still imply that for a lot of people 00:48:27 online help for muts? 00:49:54 SwissStopwatch: Well, also it affects spiders and ice beasts, and they involve neither punching nor martial arts 00:50:27 'Punching and Clawing and Spiderbiting and Other Stuff Too Skill' 00:50:29 when you consider that I'm pretty sure a better name is just not possible 00:50:45 see that name would make people think it does work with auxes! :P 00:50:55 Haha, yes! 00:51:14 'Only Helps if You Have No Weapon Wielded Skill' 00:51:23 "weaponless combat" 00:51:35 basically the same as unarmed combat though 00:51:37 Yeah 00:51:45 really I'm not sure the current name is that bad 00:51:49 Unarmed Combat norly 00:51:51 No, I don't think the name is bad 00:51:56 or yesrly 00:52:01 But it would be nice if it didn't continually mislead new people 00:52:08 I am not sure there's a good way to fix that, though 00:52:25 I don't think the name itself misleads new people, but there are a ton of guides out there that mention the old way things worked 00:52:38 the revenge of badwiki 00:52:41 Well, I would have assumed it affected them myself, if I didn't know better 00:52:49 I think it is fairly logical to assume that it might, actually 00:52:50 I'm pretty sure I had to ask 00:52:59 Even if it would be worse gameplay for it to actually do this 00:53:11 Since like, if it helps you punch things better, why doesn't it help you kick them better, too? 00:53:22 Punching and kicking are usually grouped, skill-wise 00:53:28 i was just joking 00:53:33 I actually thought it did until you guys mentioned it 00:53:47 i didn't mean to start a long discussion about headbutt skill/unarmed skill =P 00:53:47 not that I'd been serious about it or anything 00:53:59 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:54:04 mikee_: Haha. I actually don't think that boot idea (or something like it) is intrinsically bad, though 00:54:17 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:18 i think it's one of my better vague ideas 00:54:27 the boot could even say Does not use Unarmed Combat skill 00:54:36 it seems like a boot that does an actual thing would be fun 00:54:44 instead of buffing you in some subtle or not so subtle way 00:54:52 MIGHT FOOT ENGAGED 00:54:53 since boots have descriptions 00:54:57 yeah like that 00:55:05 unlike, you know, muts :-( 00:55:10 so I'm not opposed to coming up with new boots 00:55:15 but gloves need more work :P 00:55:20 I really do think muts should have descriptions 00:55:21 you�re supposed to come up with more 00:55:25 MIGHTY BOOTs 00:55:26 what do you want from gloves 00:55:30 free action? :) 00:55:31 something non-boring 00:55:34 sure :P 00:55:36 Fake hand. 00:55:41 Takes one weapon slot. 00:55:42 Gives another. 00:55:45 there 00:55:49 str+3 and dex+3 are about as boring as you get 00:55:59 wrong 00:56:01 Yes, gloves too 00:56:02 kingdom of loathing gloves 00:56:06 most of the aux armour egos aren't too important I think 00:56:10 and bracers are actively bad for most chars 00:56:17 +0 cap/wizard hat from two acquirement are about as boring as you get 00:56:24 MR, Int+3, Running, Preservation are good I guess 00:56:33 and Dex+3 and Str+3 can be 00:56:40 darkness at least does something 00:56:42 so maybe that's like half 00:56:50 also spirit shield even though it is incredibly rare on caps 00:56:54 charged gloves that give a little electric shock when you hit something 00:56:58 darkness does something, yet somehow is probably not what most chars want 00:56:58 and sInv 00:56:58 throwing gloves 00:57:06 elliptic: I remember when I first got a cap of spirit shield and was convinced it was new 00:57:07 since the ones that want to go invis can just get the spell, hopefully for them 00:57:16 elliptic: Since I hadn't seen it in hundreds of games 00:57:20 DracoOmega: yes 00:57:27 I wonder if you're more likely to find the fur hat than you are to get a normal spirit hat 00:57:32 maybe gloves with permanent confusing touch 00:57:32 I've never looked at the code to figure out whether it is intended to be so rare 00:57:34 SwissStopwatch: I think you are 00:57:39 SwissStopwatch: pretty sure you are 00:57:50 well then 00:57:51 I think my scorecard on that is 2-3 times to 0-1 times 00:58:02 i guess this calls for why.jpg or something along the lines 00:59:25 I didn't know about any of those hats 00:59:47 Gloves of strength might at least be marginally better in 0.13 now? 00:59:53 Still probably fairly sad, though 01:00:02 Gloves of Claws? 01:00:10 Fingerless gloves ;) 01:00:54 bh: sounds good to me 01:01:16 the fingertips can't really be all that useful for strength anyway right 01:01:19 nevermind rings 01:01:26 those are actually bracelets, as we all know 01:01:41 rings -> bangles ;) 01:01:49 blade gloves 01:01:55 lol 01:02:02 for only 19.99 01:02:21 how about Blade- gloves 01:02:23 this would let us monetize crawl 01:02:54 -!- kait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:00 Blade's gloves. 01:03:01 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:09 Now you can pretend to be a vampire hunter! 01:03:20 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:25 still need a trenchcoat though 01:03:35 though that could be all the cloaks lying around 01:03:40 gloves of strength are probably roughly as good or better on an armour dude with new penalties 01:04:10 But then again I have zero feel for that because my only game with those changes in place is an octopode 01:04:37 Yeah, I don't really know the new formula enough to sense what kind of tangible effect it will have, to be honest 01:05:06 to be clear, I wasn't saying gloves of strength or dexterity are *weak* 01:05:10 and then I think my next one is probably a Felid so I'm basically never going to know 01:05:13 they are quite good usually 01:05:25 the Dex ones are, I guess 01:05:28 they are just not at all interesting and there aren't any alternatives 01:05:37 the Str ones don't usually matter to me on anything I play 01:05:48 except to let me indulge my bad inventory management habits 01:05:55 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:06:07 Yes, I have never had a character who would wear str over dex 01:06:19 Even if swapping out when I found dex ones was kind of annoying in terms of dropping things :P 01:06:34 -!- Celsitud1 is now known as Celsitudo 01:06:45 maybe the most common is if you need more Str to wear some CPA 01:06:51 or even very good plate, I suppose 01:07:46 Probably the best kind of ego, in terms of interest here, is something that either is relatively unique or also comes with a drawback (that is not just 'not wearing dex gloves') 01:07:50 drawbacks are maybe sort of awkward 01:07:51 Of course, the problem with uniqueness on this is probably that beyond a fairly narrow point it's more an unrand than an ego 01:08:04 in that I don't think any of the other ones have one (that might be part of the problem) 01:08:14 except I guess boots of running have the drawback of being way too good 01:08:34 and boots of stealth have the drawback of not waking up things when you want to tab into them 01:09:02 the drawback of them being awake but not noticing you is the big one 01:09:09 it's like you mephed them 01:09:53 spend 20 extra turns tabbing at a frog because it doesn't see that you want to kill it 01:10:22 that's what tt is for 01:10:25 -!- johnny0 has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:10:37 that feels like a bad habit though 01:10:40 "get over here so i can murder you!" 01:10:41 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 01:10:42 Well, tt also wakes up other things 01:10:46 So sometimes is not ideal 01:10:52 like sometimes you shout and then the frog's 12 buddies come over to help 01:10:57 carry some stones with you 01:10:59 throwing rocks is better 01:11:05 but then sometimes those don't work 01:11:13 also my inventory :( 01:11:17 ideally what you do is actually you cast rmsl for no reason 01:11:24 alerting the frog to your presence with the noise 01:11:32 i'm completely serious 01:11:42 Heh 01:11:43 yeah 01:11:44 Probably that is sensible, yes 01:11:46 mikee_: too bad we dumped project noise 01:11:53 throwing stuff is for amateurs 01:11:55 that's too much noise! =P 01:12:04 also if a plant is nearby you can melee the plant 01:12:13 even rmsl isn't fully consistent 01:12:24 actually it isn't about the noise 01:12:25 man, good players have hardcore tech 01:12:28 maybe it's better when things are already awake 01:12:37 if a monster is wandering in sight of you, any spell will alert it to you 01:12:46 yes this is specifically for awake but wandering monsters 01:13:01 Incidentally, there is still comments referring to projected noise around 01:13:02 // A bit of code to make Projected Noise actually do 01:13:02 // something again. 01:13:10 does darkness still make noise 01:13:13 I suspect that code is not achieving its intended purpose currently 01:13:16 i always thought that was silly 01:13:27 DracoOmega: well, projected noise still sort of exists! it just can't be targeted beyond LoS of you 01:13:40 (fireball etc) 01:13:58 elliptic: I didn't mean to suggest that this noise code was doing nothing useful 01:13:59 unless... 01:14:03 Just not what it says it is doing :P 01:14:23