00:01:23 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-727-gc30d17a (34) 00:03:22 bh: wow, that is a nice sword 00:05:44 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:29 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:11:45 -!- rwbarton has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:15:13 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:15:51 bh: see, Orc:2 Joseph and Fannar 00:16:48 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:44 lululululu 00:18:01 stab them 00:18:23 ??crosstraining 00:18:23 they were guarded by a cyclops i didn't think i'd get the chance 00:18:24 cross training[1/1]: Some weapon skills train twice as fast if you have another skill at higher level. Pairs that allow cross training are Short <-> Long Blades, Maces <-> Axes, Axes <-> Polearms, Polearms <-> Staves, Maces <-> Staves also Slings<->Throwing. 00:18:56 Bows and Crossbows don't crosstrain? 00:20:00 no 00:21:04 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:22:19 mumra: remember your crossbow 00:22:41 bh: saving it for stuff i need it for 00:22:43 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: On the other hand, you have different fingers.] 00:22:44 i only have about 10 bolts 00:24:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:25 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 00:24:53 like that? 00:25:25 exactly like that 00:25:29 if i hadn't had to run away! 00:26:19 smoke dmeons are bad news 00:28:39 ffs 00:29:16 !lg bh ckiller=nessos 00:29:28 No games for bh (ckiller=nessos). 00:29:29 oh wait, nessos didn't kill me. He just got me to ~0hp and then a zombie killed me 00:29:56 inventory 00:30:10 wait 00:30:16 WAIT 00:30:18 Nessos (06c) | Spd: 15 | HD: 9 | HP: 72 | AC/EV: 4/8 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 1136 | Sp: blink range, haste | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 00:30:18 %??nessos 00:30:22 invisibility. 00:30:22 god damn you nessos 00:30:33 don't button mash 00:30:51 why did you just suicide? 00:30:59 i had no escape options 00:31:09 You have a potion of invisibility 00:31:10 i knew i shouldn't have been in orc 00:32:05 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:19 SamB: mumra just bad-dev'd :) 00:32:36 ok yeah invis would probably have been a good idea 00:32:58 In your defence, I probably should have said `mumra` 00:33:09 gotta measure up to the bad-dev name 00:33:29 maybe next year there will be worst dev 00:33:55 go for the gold! 00:34:38 have any devs never won? (I'm sure I've asked this before) 00:35:04 several, i'm pretty sure SamB said he hasn't 00:35:52 As W.H. Auden said "We must learn to [run away from uniques] or die." 00:36:30 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:47 i'd just got frustrated with all the uniques being everywhere and feeling like i was such a long way off having the tools to deal with them 00:37:10 and nessos made me see red mist so i quaffed !berserk 00:37:24 which in retrospect was far from my best move 00:37:28 Nessos is one of the scariest uniques. 00:37:40 I think Saint Roka is scarier 00:38:05 Lamia is scarer than Roka 00:38:07 MiMo -- should I bad god it? 00:38:26 haha 00:38:36 go chei 00:38:37 I just found Zin. 00:38:55 have you found zin? 00:39:06 >>> 00:40:00 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:40:11 Ely. 00:40:15 I think crawl is trying to tell me something 00:40:42 you need religion in order to do well? 00:42:05 ??unarmed combat 00:42:05 unarmed combat[1/3]: Fighting without a weapon. Base damage is 3 + UC skill (+2 per claws level (so +6 Tr, +2 Gh), +X for forms); delay 10 - UC/5.4; +2 to hit (+4 Tr/Gh). If you have an EV penalty (such as by wearing a shield, or armour (reduced somewhat by armour skill)), attack delay is slowed to max(10, 1d10+2dAEVP) - UC/5.4. 00:42:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:43:12 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 00:44:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:22 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:32 -!- kawatan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:52:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:38 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:09 mumra: look at my game :) 00:56:18 bh: i'm watching :) 00:56:27 I'm going to run away. 00:56:46 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:23 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:56 well, there's Chei 00:59:47 -!- mkapolka has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:00:20 ??evocations 01:00:20 evocations[1/1]: This skill affects wands, abilities related to decks, and abilities gained from items. Evocation skill adds to wand power, though spell power caps are still respected. 01:05:00 dang. 01:05:04 bh: stop button mashing! ;) 01:05:19 I wasn't mashing. The only decision there was abandoning Chei 01:05:27 hehe 01:06:22 unlucky tho 01:06:48 I should have stepped in the other direction. I had no idea Josephine spawned that shallow 01:07:23 well, D:9 isn't so shallow really ... probably at the upper limit tho 01:07:46 DEPTH: D:10-16 01:08:10 Abandoning Chei?? 01:08:14 What is this blasphemy. :p 01:08:42 Literal blasphemy 01:11:40 well, I've murdered enough characters for a night. 01:12:03 go team bad-dev! 01:12:06 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:53 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:26:30 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26:43 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:37 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 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He's not the slowest unique, you see... not Ignacio, but slouch should still explode him in a shower of horsemeat. 03:04:16 yeah, I know, you Americans and your taboo against horsemeat :p 03:09:40 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:12:56 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:26 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:51 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:16:44 kilobyte: no, it was josephine; i died to nessos with a Dg, mainly through frustration :( 03:17:24 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:27 -!- afd___ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:33 -!- afd__ is now known as tibi 03:18:41 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Pale Moon 20.0.1/20130409184116]] 03:19:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:13 -!- thighhigh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:06 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:25:27 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:11 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:30:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:48 -!- Pedjt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:39:42 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:43:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:54:00 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:50 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: I, Garland, will knock you all down!] 03:56:51 -!- mkapolka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:23 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:20:06 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:23:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:34 -!- lightquake is now known as Guest 04:29:20 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:52 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 04:34:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:34:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:40:03 -!- Blade- has quit [] 04:42:29 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 04:42:32 -!- syraine is now known as reliable_source 04:43:04 -!- reliable_source is now known as syraine 04:43:07 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:44:32 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:21 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59:21 -!- Nicksvaffel is now known as Isvaffel 04:59:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:12 -!- Palladion has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 05:02:45 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 05:08:22 -!- muiy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:08:45 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:07 -!- sym has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:13:07 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:22:13 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:22:40 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:24:35 -!- ktgrey has quit [] 05:28:17 MirrMurr (L25 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:22) 05:28:40 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:33:43 -!- radinms has quit [] 05:34:06 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:38:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:50:46 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:10 timed portal vaults should get a no_mimic flag really shouldn't they? 05:54:17 why? That seems to work just fine to me. 05:55:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:58:11 fair enough; struck me as slightly unfair is all 05:59:12 on a related note, is it possible for portal exits to become mimics? 05:59:28 that would be more serious since the player could get completely stuck in a portal 06:01:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:02:56 ah right, they're special cased 06:03:00 ??abyss guide 06:03:00 abyss guide[1/3]: !lm zigrobin 2138 -tv:<0.25 06:03:08 this isn't my PM with Henzell at all 06:04:30 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 06:06:44 -!- Locke is now known as Locke37 06:17:34 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:49 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 06:34:29 -!- Locke37 has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 06:44:31 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:34 -!- kongtomorrow has quit [Quit: kongtomorrow] 06:48:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:50:52 -!- Styks has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:01:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:37 -!- Timath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:04:43 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:05:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13:56 -!- Styks has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:14:38 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 07:17:13 -!- SpiralMatai has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:20:13 -!- djinni_ has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:20:14 -!- ivan``_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21:01 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:13 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:32 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:26:19 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:26:59 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:31 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:24 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:05 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:39:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51:27 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:02 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:48 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:55:09 -!- tswett_ is now known as tswett 07:57:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:00:54 mumra: portal mimics are the best one! 08:01:19 and they are not unfair. They unset the uniq flag, so you have a chance for a real one later. 08:02:08 galehar: sure, it's pretty funny. i read a report in the forum about one and it just sounded like a bug at first. 08:02:13 didn't realise about the uniq flag tho. 08:04:35 -!- willy-doo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:06:10 hi there, if i want to build a trunk version from source, instead of using .deb packs, i have to git clone the master branch, right? 08:07:19 willy-doo: you can download a gzip of the source from gitorious but you're better off with a git clone so you can update regularly 08:07:45 but yeah master branch is the one 08:07:51 %git 3b3d23f 08:07:52 03galehar * 0.10-a0-588-g3b3d23f: Give a chance for another portal when we mimic a unique one. 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 3 files, 12+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b3d23f7f2c1 08:08:01 thanks mumra 08:09:29 hmm....another question, how do i download the source gz from gitorious? 08:09:38 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:30 willy-doo: click "Source tree" then on the right "Download master as tar.gz" 08:11:11 galehar: cool, didn't see that before 08:12:09 thanks 08:13:28 galehar: if the portal times out, does the mimic time out? or become a stone arch mimic? :P 08:14:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:15:12 hmm, I'm not sure 08:15:16 I think it disappear 08:15:30 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 08:15:34 -!- Laany_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:15:39 it probably overwrites the mimic flag when the feature changes 08:15:56 yes, I think I did that 08:16:15 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 08:25:02 -!- willy-doo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:25:41 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:26:09 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:24 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32:42 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Client Quit] 08:33:26 -!- Chakan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:34:26 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:36:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:37:57 -!- yuastnav_ is now known as yuastnav 08:40:31 -!- Zermako has quit [] 08:41:57 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:43:01 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:17 -!- konr` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45:37 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:12 -!- Twinge_ is now known as Twinge 08:47:13 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:47:44 -!- muiy has quit [] 08:52:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:52:08 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 08:59:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:40 -!- Laany has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:09:04 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:19 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:13:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:14:34 -!- SkaryMonk has left ##crawl-dev 09:22:45 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:09 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:33 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:26:49 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:57 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:36 -!- Laany has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:32:13 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:34:18 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:35 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:13 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:11 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:38:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:41:13 -!- Exister has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:02 Is there any plans to add a replay option to the dcss client so you can watch ttyrec's with tiles? with pause, rewind etc 09:45:33 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:39 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:45:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 09:48:05 nope? 09:48:08 never heard of any 09:48:17 most people just use footv 09:48:29 but you can also download a ttyrec player 09:48:56 Yeah, got one on my desktop at home, but right now I'm on my laptop which has windows, don't know if there is a ttyrec player for windows? 09:49:08 there is 09:49:12 oh? 09:49:16 i had one but i haven't used it in ages 09:49:43 i distinctly remember using it on a winXP laptop though 09:50:01 found termplay 09:50:50 oh, they renamed it to termrec even 09:50:59 -!- Krag has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:35 http://alt.org/nethack/ttyrecscreen.php 09:51:36 that too 09:55:22 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:56:55 LexAckson, Do you know if dcss records a full game or only each play session? 09:57:53 hmm 09:58:34 in each file 09:58:34 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:49 i think it was just game sessions until you die then it gets archived together 09:59:06 but someone else would know more about that 09:59:16 -!- dwjmeijer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59:18 -!- phosphorescence has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:59:26 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:59:42 seems it's per session, just grabbed a ttyrec 10:00:06 -!- Exister has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:00:19 -!- Exister_ is now known as Exister 10:00:20 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:45 cool 10:01:13 Mattias: the ttyrecs don't contain enough information to know which tiles to use in all situations 10:01:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:01:32 oh 10:04:39 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07:55 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:16:47 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:17:34 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:18:53 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:14 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 10:23:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:30:41 -!- Laany has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:36:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:38:13 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:39:31 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 10:39:50 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:42:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 10:46:49 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:26 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:48 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53:05 -!- Exister has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:56:09 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:58:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:02:27 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05:55 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08:19 -!- Exister has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10:01 LexAckson: It doesn't seem to get archived together 11:11:32 it's just assumed that all ttyrecs from between game start and end on a specific server/major-version are from that game 11:11:50 at least, that's what I've heard 11:12:10 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:20 iirc 11:13:18 (the "doesn't get archived together" bit I know, since I've asked Sequell about ttyrecs for old games before and it's given me multiple URLs) 11:14:29 oh, obviously it'd also use the username ;-) 11:14:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:16:39 -!- rkd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:16 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:23:49 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:53 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:32:09 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:32:56 -!- Exister has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 11:33:28 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:16 * SamB thinks sequell should recognize combo as a synonym for char 11:38:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:38:40 !lg . t s=char o=max(xl) x=max(xl) 11:38:41 74 games for SamB (t): 9x HOPr [12], 4x DDBe [10], 3x MiBe [8], VpWn [8], 2x VpAK [6], 2x VpBe [5], DrEn [5], 3x SpEn [5], 2x CeBe [5], VpGl [5], VpAr [4], SECK [4], 2x DDFE [4], MuGl [4], HaEn [4], 3x DDIE [4], KoTm [3], FePr [3], DEDK [3], 2x VpWr [3], SEDK [3], NaAr [3], MiTm [3], HEMo [3], HOTm [3], 2x HOEn [2], MfEE [2], GhAE [2], HaIE [2], 3x FeDK [2], HOSu [2], 3x SECj [2], 2x VpEE [2], 2x ... 11:38:48 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38:49 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39:17 !lg 11:39:18 897. SamB the Chopper (L1 DDBe), worshipper of Trog, quit the game on D:1 on 2013-05-16 01:51:35, with 20 points after 16 turns and 0:00:08. 11:39:29 -!- simpaon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:36 hm interesting 11:39:41 I wonder what happens if 11:39:54 !lg . t s=char o=max(xl) x=max(xl) 11:39:54 No games for Bloax (t). 11:39:55 ?? 11:39:59 gud 11:40:11 then we can begin 11:40:16 <|amethyst> LexAckson: SamB is mostly correct, except it doesn't distinguish by major version 11:40:45 |amethyst: so it gets confused if I play games on multiple versions at the same time? 11:40:58 <|amethyst> LexAckson: So, in particular, if you start a trunk game then an 0.12 game, then end the 0.12 game then end the trunk game, a -ttyrec query for the trunk game is likely to return the 0.12 ttyrecs too 11:41:02 <|amethyst> SamB: indeed 11:41:20 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:22 <|amethyst> !lg * src=cdo -ttyrec 11:41:25 914285. Sealer, XL10 HuCK, T:10620: http://crawl.develz.org/ttyrecs/Sealer/2013-05-16.15:55:51.ttyrec 11:41:55 so I guess I described what it SHOULD do 11:41:56 <|amethyst> SamB: likewise with sprint vs crawl 11:42:10 oh, and yeah I guess that would be something it should look at too ... 11:42:16 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:42:26 maybe DGL should be writing milestones for ttyrec start? 11:42:58 or something like that 11:43:16 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:21 <|amethyst> or store a little bit of metadata for each ttyrec 11:43:32 <|amethyst> would require revisions to sequell etc of course 11:43:38 milestones wouldn't count as metadata? 11:43:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:55 <|amethyst> I was thinking of metadata stored with the ttyrecs 11:44:15 is there a way to store metadata in ttyrecs? 11:44:26 <|amethyst> because milestones are generated by crawl, but the ttyrec stuff is handled by dgl itself 11:44:45 <|amethyst> (dgl or webtiles) 11:45:08 yes, I do recognize that having DGL generate a milestone would be a bit of a layering violation or something ... 11:45:09 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:15 <|amethyst> SamB: not sure about that, but an sqlite table or so on would be sufficient 11:45:33 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 11:45:55 <|amethyst> there is some room for metadata in the ttyrec, but I don't know the details 11:46:13 <|amethyst> In particular, the webtiles config mentions: 11:46:14 <|amethyst> # Server name, so far only used in the ttyrec metadata 11:46:14 <|amethyst> server_id = "CDO - Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup - http://crawl.develz.org" 11:46:14 hmm, I guess external is way better anyway though 11:46:35 <|amethyst> yeah, because then it can be indexed for quick lookups 11:46:37 for termsize, internal would be fine, but for stuff needed in queries we would indeed want external 11:47:02 what's the English word for what a gardener does to protect fruit trees from frost and such? 11:47:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:47:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what kind of things? 11:47:23 I was just thinking that it would be bad if stuff had to fetch the beginning of every single ttyrec 11:47:40 <|amethyst> kilobyte: like covering plants and so on? 11:47:45 <|amethyst> SamB: yeah 11:47:45 |amethyst: yeah 11:47:47 well, I guess it could use the start--end limit still 11:48:03 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:37 -!- SaintWacko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:48:40 |amethyst: terms I know are regional, so they're missing from dictionaries I tried 11:49:08 kilobyte: can you find it on wikipedia? the sidebar often works well for translations 11:49:11 (and after a few minutes of failed googling, it's faster and safer to ask a native speaker :p) 11:49:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I can't think of a specific word for that 11:49:24 <|amethyst> but I'm not much of a gardener 11:49:34 ColdPie: pl wikipedia sucks too much 11:49:58 |amethyst: but if it were canonically stored in an sqlite table instead of a milestone-style file, how it seems like that would complicate Sequell's pulling updates ? 11:50:00 in any case, i agree with |amethyst, i'd just say cover 11:50:06 <|amethyst> I mean, other than "frost protection" 11:50:09 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:44 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frost#Protection_methods doesn't seem to help 11:50:46 cover plants, deploy smudge pots, ... not aware of any generic term with any widespread use 11:50:48 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:59 smudge pots? 11:51:24 x - a potion of smudge 11:51:25 <_< 11:51:33 (yes, yes, not that kind of pot) 11:51:43 I find 566798272 word lists, thesaureses and so on, but none with a translation 11:52:02 basically a very smoky fire, the smoke deposits a protective layer on e.g. citrus 11:52:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:52:43 when you turn into a tree, "Fedhas smiles upon you." doesn't convey any information (I'm changing it to rF+ rC+ with him) 11:52:51 "smudge pot" is the correct English term, just it's not in widespread use outside of agriculture 11:52:55 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what's the Polish word you had in mind? 11:52:55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudge_pot 11:53:37 |amethyst: ogacanie (infinitive: ogacać) 11:53:46 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 11:54:34 could you suggest a Fedhas message then? 11:54:49 grr, w3m has a race condition in displaying images :-( 11:55:08 Fedhas is protecting you from extremes of temperature. 11:55:15 (simplest possible thing I can think of under the circumstances) 11:55:26 apparently they were actually invented here in southern california; I know them because growers use them sometimes around here if there's a cold snap 11:56:05 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Fedhas is making you hardy? 11:56:19 Fedhas wraps you in a frost- and fire-resistant cloth 11:56:20 <|amethyst> kilobyte: or Fedhas is improving you cold-hardiness. 11:56:23 <|amethyst> s/you/your/ 11:56:30 <|amethyst> (that doesn't help with fire, though) 11:56:47 "Fedhas is making you hardy against temperatures." 11:57:10 <|amethyst> s/temperatures/extreme &/ 11:57:19 <|amethyst> but otherwise it sounds good 11:57:38 <|amethyst> maybe someone would prefer to rewrite it to not be progressive 11:58:12 i like grunt's phrasing so far 11:58:14 <|amethyst> But I guess god stuff like that is generally progressive so it's probably fine 11:58:59 <|amethyst> kilobyte: this is while you are in a plant form, right? 11:59:06 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:10 s/plant/tree/ 11:59:22 (unless it also applies to fungusform?) 11:59:26 (fr: oklob form) 11:59:42 <|amethyst> FR: giant spore form 11:59:49 You explode! You die... 11:59:50 bh copied "Fedhas smiles upon you." but I don't see it actually doing anything 12:00:08 (thanks guys for suggestions) 12:01:14 <|amethyst> wait, does Fedhas give you rC? 12:01:21 <|amethyst> I though it was just removing rF 12:01:25 <|amethyst> err, removing rF- 12:01:34 kilobyte: looks like it did something before 159d3dbee 12:01:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:31 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:40 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-728-gbc3c3ba: Preserved meat is not useless if you know Simulacrum. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc3c3bae3771 12:04:40 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-729-ge58e56a: Remove rF- from the tree form. 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e58e56a5842b 12:04:40 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-730-g8c60e70: Make the Fedhas message for tree form more informative. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c60e70a7552 12:04:42 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I guess "hardening"/"harden" might have been the word you were originally looking for, but it is a bit ambiguous since we have petrification :) 12:04:46 insulatation? 12:05:14 SamB: that's used for rElec 12:05:31 that's english for you 12:05:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:05:48 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-730-g8c60e70 (34) 12:07:09 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:18 well, it doesn't look like we really use insulation in-game any more now that the spell is gone 12:08:09 hmm, why do empty wands sort last for at least DDs' recharging ability? 12:08:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:09:58 woah can you make a sausage simulacrum? 12:10:13 it feels wrong that empty wands of healing count as "useless" (which makes d, drop them) 12:10:44 LexAckson: sounds like a vault idea 12:10:53 <|amethyst> SamB: because sort_menus only distinguishes menus for pickup, drock, inv, and any 12:11:00 hahaha 12:11:02 oh man 12:11:05 so good 12:11:12 <|amethyst> SamB: would need a new category for item-manipulation menus 12:11:15 maybe empty wands should just not count as useless ever 12:11:23 LexAckson: yeah, although at least some of "mystery meats" stand on the wrong side of redefinitions (way, way, waaaay too silly) 12:11:28 thanks whoever made sausages work that way 12:11:41 elliptic: well, displaying them in a more muted color is probably a good idea though? 12:11:54 and it makes perfect sense when you go to zap them 12:12:20 (Am I not supposed to say it that way? Is that a nethackism? 12:12:58 <|amethyst> we could add another prefix for "empty" 12:13:16 <|amethyst> and colour that by default 12:13:29 <|amethyst> (in combination with removing "useless_item") 12:14:47 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-731-g625a0b5: Remove the message for Fedhas and fungiform. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=625a0b5e0324 12:15:18 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:17:47 * SamB wonders why read doesn't work on stuff on the ground yet 12:18:25 SamB: have you tried to read a book on the ground while standing? 12:18:40 but M does doesn't it? 12:18:55 M is majik 12:18:59 possible mystery meats: dog, cat, crow, worm, rat, yak, hog, sheep, elephant, 13chupacabra, 13wallaby, 13mad cow, 06cow, 06bull 12:19:09 pink ones need to go, magenta ones probably too 12:19:22 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:31 M is not usually done in combat situations and the gameplay is clearly better to let it work on books in your stash 12:19:32 snakes? 12:19:48 whereas I don't see much reason to allow reading scrolls on the floor 12:20:04 among other things, it would mean that you could drop scrolls to protect them from item destruction but still use them 12:20:10 whereas books can't be destroyed (by fire) 12:21:30 actually, quite a few of fire sources work on items on the ground 12:24:38 -!- Guest is now known as lightquake 12:26:12 kilobyte: it's still generally safer than carried by the player I think 12:27:06 well, I really meant to read-ID found books 12:29:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:52 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:06 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 12:34:52 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:21 training dummy (158) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 6 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 1 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors | Res: 13magic(immune), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 2 | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:35:21 %??training dummy 12:38:26 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:42 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:09 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:06 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:32 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:06 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:13 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:46:22 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:21 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:49:56 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 12:50:13 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:22 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:51:29 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:53:46 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 12:54:03 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:38 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 12:57:52 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:02 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:01:26 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 13:01:41 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:14 -!- santiago has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:29 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-732-g5cb6e51: Give wisp form swiftness and blink on demand. 10(10 minutes ago, 4 files, 14+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cb6e512e493 13:11:40 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:29 -!- wh1te has left ##crawl-dev 13:16:31 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:17:51 would it be dumb to make chars that start with bows/slings/crossbows autopickup the relevant ammo automatically (without the player having to go to \)? 13:18:17 (not counting rocks as the relevant ammo) 13:18:30 (or stones, I get those mixed up) 13:18:54 would probably be okay 13:19:02 i usually turn it on 13:25:40 SamB: what about those who start with darts auto picking up darts? 13:25:45 or just ammo? 13:27:27 I don't know if darts is a good idea 13:27:30 just the bullets, bolts, arrows sounds good 13:27:37 * geekosaur turns on picking up ammo anyway, turns off after picking up "enough" (small for darts/stones, larger for arrows/bolts) 13:28:21 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:30:33 the value of "enough" is going to vary a lot 13:30:36 yes 13:31:09 would be nice to have a chance to hint at the player about this ... 13:31:23 (that is, how to stop when enough is enough) 13:31:38 well, yes, one of my points there was that I prefer to manage manually so I can make judgment calls 13:32:05 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:05 -!- Vidiny has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:32:09 yeah, I just want to automatically turn it on to start with is all 13:32:22 letting the player do whatever afterwards 13:32:31 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:32:52 since, as kilobyte says, "enough" varies 13:34:15 how about EEs: should they autopickup stones? 13:36:58 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:36:58 if character X starts with missile Y, yes 13:37:10 (stupid but simple) 13:37:25 what, you think we should just do a loop somewhere? 13:37:34 -!- scummos_ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:38:29 * xFleury ponders whether rather than the starting item, the items in your backpack. 13:38:31 good enough for the first iteration 13:39:18 on the other hand, some item types can overflow rather fast 13:39:21 -!- sexy has quit [Client Quit] 13:44:34 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44:55 xFleury: nay, you don't want to have to disable say large rock autopickup each time you pick one up 13:46:34 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49:52 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:55:05 -!- flun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:55:44 I was just going to add code to enable autopickup where you get given the missiles ... 13:57:34 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:59:22 kilobyte: do we really want this for, say, nets? 13:59:58 or large rocks 14:02:11 large rocks weigh far too much to carry very many of them, for sure 14:02:38 incidentally, now that large str races carry less, should large rocks weight a bit less? 14:03:02 rchandra: they only carry less at really high values of str 14:03:45 maybe I'm just finding uses for more stuff and thus carrying more, then 14:03:58 what is "really high" in the context of the formula 14:04:03 I forget 14:04:13 since both of the races that can carry large rocks tend to end up with super high str 14:04:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:33 oh, I guess you lose a little starting at strength 20 14:04:34 given a very high starting value and Str/3 growth 14:04:38 a bit earlier than I thought 14:04:45 but still you don't lose much 14:04:55 just 5 aum per point above 14:05:18 changing it would probably just let you carry 6 large rocks instead of 5 or something 14:06:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:32 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:59 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:07:59 -!- inpho_ is now known as inpho 14:13:07 also I'm not sure if assassin should start with needles on autopickup since egos are so common? 14:13:17 I mean, different ones 14:14:12 there aren't actually that many (although some of them are pretty useless) 14:15:00 is it just me being confused by every single needle having an ego, or do the non-poison ones come up more frequently than the egos for arrows or bolts or sling bullets? 14:15:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:16:07 assassin should autopickup needles, and the useless ones should be reworked or cut (sickness, looking at you if you're still in) 14:16:09 ego ammo isn't all that common on the floor 14:16:21 compared to the blank versions at least 14:16:21 ego needles do seem to be "more common", but then in my experience needles are often more common than arrows/bolts/sling bullets anyway so proportionally it may not be 14:17:29 (as in, poison needles are more common in my experience than the other varieties. also note that there are more ego needles than other ego projectiles: no curare, frenzy, slowing, etc. for arrows!) 14:17:33 know any spell components for starting spells that *aren't* missiles? 14:18:12 well, stones, sort of 14:18:32 those are missiles 14:18:36 oh right 14:18:43 but sine you're thinking of s2s 14:18:46 since* 14:19:05 weapons work with that too, including several that are not very good missiles 14:19:40 presumably this is not a reason for transmuters to autopickup quarterstaves though 14:19:45 true, but I don't think you can toggle autopickup of weapon types in-game? 14:19:56 and it would waste slots and stuff 14:19:58 don't autopickup 'stick' - arrows are fine. 14:20:06 yeah, that's what I figured 14:20:42 anybody who really wants it can use lua magic 14:20:50 yeah 14:21:11 yes, in case they want to wipe out a branch end with 30 anacondas 14:21:55 -!- shackes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:22:24 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:39 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:27:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:11 ??launcher 14:27:11 I don't have a page labeled launcher in my learndb. 14:27:15 ??ranged 14:27:16 ranged combat[1/4]: Nobody understands ranged combat. 14:27:20 ??ranged[2] 14:27:21 launcher damage[1/3]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is the ammo enchantment, L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 14:27:41 what the heck I thought every launcher was different 14:27:45 ??ranged[3] 14:27:45 ranged combat[3/4]: Bows gain a lot of damage from Str, to a low cap, and a little speed from Dex. Slings gain a little damage from Str, to a high cap, and slightly more speed from Dex. Crossbows gain trivial speed from Str. Throwing, predictably, gains some damage from Str. 14:28:05 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:28:33 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:50 they are functionally all quite different 14:29:53 oh, I guess B, C and D would allow for quite a bit of difference wouldn't they 14:29:53 although identical in that they shoot things and also most people gave up on figuring how the formulas worked ages ago 14:30:11 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:30:47 ??launcher damage[2 14:30:49 launcher damage[2/3]: B = 4 for sling+stone, 6 for sling+bullet, 6.5 for bow+arrow, 9.5 for longbow+arrow or xbow+bolt. C = 1/72 for slings, 1/32 for bows, and 0 for xbows. D = 28 for slings, 34 for bows, and 44 for xbows. 14:30:58 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:25 anyway all I wanted was to verify the entire list of launcher types 14:33:18 I guess I could have used m 14:33:58 -!- whog is now known as whig 14:34:34 Is there a reason zombies use the base species type instead of the type they were made from? Like, I suppose that not differentiating 'professions' for zombies kind of makes sense, but this also means that a zombie made from an orc warlord has the same base damage as one made from a normal orc (though their HD will differ) 14:35:06 This also means that zombies of SOME powerful monsters get a big nerf to their effectiveness while other powerful monsters don't (if they're the only member of their species, say) 14:35:14 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: HATELIFE] 14:37:29 And it looks like this could be changed with approximately one or two lines of code (well, and then inserting proper zombie sizes for the non-base members of a given species) 14:41:40 -!- ZebTM has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:55 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:44:50 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:45:22 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:17 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:58:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:21 -!- anidude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:30 sounds like a good fix 15:02:51 but would you then want to indicate to players the type of the zombie? 15:03:03 like: ' 15:03:11 'orc warlord zombie' 15:03:14 so would we then see "gnoll shaman zombie" or whatever 15:03:40 Yes, that would be the natural consequence (though that could be suppressed somehow, if desired) 15:03:42 Are higher tiered corpses worth more in terms of piety? 15:03:50 (Never asked about this.) 15:04:13 oh, yeah, then you'd have "gnoll shaman corpse" too 15:04:13 Well, currently they already have more HD and such. It's just that stats that are derived only from base type, and not on a monster-per-monster basis default to the base species monster 15:04:23 Well, no 15:04:48 This doesn't change anything about how corpses would be displayed. The corpses source monster is already preserved there 15:04:51 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:05:04 It's just that if you, say, make a zombie from an orc warlord corpse, it sets the zombies base monster to an orc instead of an orc warlord 15:05:14 (But it still has the warlord's HD) 15:05:34 but for some reason i don't think a warlord is just an orc with a higher HD 15:05:38 It isn't 15:05:58 This is the same with things that are elves or humands 15:06:01 elf (05e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 10-62 | AC/EV: 2/14 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(44) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 393 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:06:01 %??elf 15:06:05 deep elf blademaster (11e) | Spd: 15 | HD: 16 | HP: 89-117 | AC/EV: 0/25 | Dam: 25, 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, two-weapon, fighter | Res: 06magic(128) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3627 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:06:05 %??deep elf blademaster 15:06:10 Sliiiighly different stats there 15:06:28 what was it now 15:06:31 unknown monster: "elf hd=16" 15:06:31 %??elf hd=16 15:06:33 okay 15:07:28 A blademaster is a pretty extreme case, of course 15:07:40 Having not only much more base damage but also base speed 15:08:11 -!- jday_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:08:25 it seems like it would be kind of wierd if you go from "gnoll corpse" to "gnoll shaman zombie" 15:08:54 Well, the names could be kept as-is. I mean, currently SOME stats carry over. 15:08:57 But not all of them. 15:08:58 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:09:14 So a zombie from an orc warlord is already different than a zombie from an orc, just less-so than you might expect 15:10:03 Also how do you set HD again? 15:10:40 elf (05e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 57-85 | AC/EV: 2/14 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1609 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:10:40 %??elf hd:16 15:11:05 unknown monster: "orc warlord zombie" 15:11:05 %??orc warlord zombie 15:11:19 orc warlord (11o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 86-138 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(60) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2258 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:11:19 %??orc warlord 15:11:25 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 85-130 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2506 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:11:25 %??orc hd:15 15:11:32 orc zombie (07z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 15 | HP: 94-132 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 4 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 806 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 15:11:32 %??orc zombie hd:15 15:11:36 harmless 15:12:02 Now a zombie with orc warlord-ish stats would be far more threatening. 15:12:19 It also means if you somehow enslave Tiamat's soul, she will somehow lose the majority of her offensive power! (And most of her hp, too) 15:12:27 Tiamat (16d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 380 | AC/EV: 30/10 | Dam: 60, 45 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(146), 02cold, 03poison | XP: 13593 | Sp: b.lightning (3d25) / b.quicksilver (3d20) / cold breath (3d28) / fire breath (3d28) / poisonous cloud (3d13) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:12:27 %??tiamat 15:12:31 draconian (07d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 19-175 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(12) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 588 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:12:31 %??draconian hd:22 15:12:38 19-175 lmao 15:12:47 Also that lovely 15 damage instead of 60,45 15:18:18 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-107 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2036 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 15:18:18 %??Stone giant 15:18:22 stone giant zombie (07z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 16 | HP: 115-155 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 41 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(21), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1037 | Sz: Giant | Int: plant. 15:18:22 %??Stone giant zombie 15:18:38 aand 15:18:42 orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 17-39 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 133 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:18:42 %??orc warrior 15:18:48 orc (04o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 17-40 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 127 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:18:48 %??orc hd:4 15:19:02 Necromancers would be getting a big buff. 15:19:47 Well, it would also make the zombie hordes that orc sorcerers and high priests tend to make a little more dangerous, too (though probably not by much) 15:20:00 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:20:05 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:20 I am not sure that it is a big buff so much as more consistency in some ways? Since you get the normal base stats from monsters that aren't subspecies types, like say... titans or storm dragons or whatnot 15:20:41 But not from vault wardens or orc warlords and such 15:21:00 -!- sepik121 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:19 They're going to be getting a buff in the early dungeon where orc warriors would be great undead servants. 15:21:57 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-733-g4508735: Autopickup ammo used by starting launchers/spells. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=450873502215 15:22:34 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:23:57 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 15:24:09 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:15 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25:18 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:50 -!- Silurio has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:26 Flun (L21 HaHu) ASSERT(m) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1789 failed. (Snake:3) 15:27:30 -!- Zermako has quit [] 15:28:53 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:29:42 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 15:30:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:32 so, you know how we keep getting those other crashes with a monster_type of 1000 ... ? 15:32:45 -!- ZRN has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:02 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:31 -!- Froggeryz has quit [] 15:37:38 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:32 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:49 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:34 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:28 removing {god gift} makes it hard to find trog gifts sometimes 15:47:35 is there a way to turn that back on? 15:47:42 -!- N78291 has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:48:24 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:44 that was removed? 15:49:57 %git :/god gift 15:49:57 03kilobyte * 0.13-a0-485-g6a74e76: Save orig_monnum as monster_type rather than monster_type + 1. 10(3 weeks ago, 9 files, 20+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a74e76f8ded 15:50:40 -!- jday_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:50:46 -!- scummos_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:50:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 15:50:46 -!- rast has quit [*.net *.split] 15:50:58 -!- Pedjt has quit [*.net *.split] 15:50:58 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [*.net *.split] 15:50:58 -!- Grimalki1 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:51:06 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [*.net *.split] 15:51:11 -!- ground4_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:51:11 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [*.net *.split] 15:51:17 -!- Twinge has quit [Read error: No buffer space available] 15:51:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:22 only for ammo 15:51:22 but still 15:51:37 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:52 oh 15:51:57 %git c57d63 15:51:58 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-3112-gc57d63b: Don't use autoinscriptions for {god gift}. 10(7 weeks ago, 7 files, 4+ 35-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c57d63b3bb79 15:52:09 LexAckson: I thought I accepted a patch to add that to stash search 15:52:28 eh? 15:52:56 -!- santiago__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:05 %git b6b0b3 15:53:05 03Medar * 0.13-a0-397-gb6b0b31: Annotate god gifts for stash search 10(5 weeks ago, 2 files, 15+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6b0b3154d4c 15:53:09 LexAckson: have you tried just searching anyway 15:53:16 oh, it might not be 0.12 15:53:24 yeah 15:53:28 well 15:53:30 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:41 my version was from like 2 days ago 15:53:41 ah, yeah, it doesn't appear to be in 0.12 15:53:55 <|amethyst> also, there's "show_god_gift = yes" 15:53:57 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:04 ahh yes 15:54:18 thanks 15:54:37 maybe even from a week ago? 15:56:54 -!- Grimalkin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:34 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:32 CommitDate: Wed Apr 17 15:25:08 2013 -0400 15:59:42 I doubt it was pushed long after that ;-) 16:01:05 hmm 16:01:17 i might be going about it wrong 16:01:19 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 16:01:26 i'm in wizmode 16:01:32 join trog 16:01:36 set piety 200 16:01:42 then i get a stack of gifts 16:01:58 i pick up the weapons and leave the ammo 16:02:09 the weapons still have {god gift} 16:02:16 then i step away a few tiles 16:02:35 and ctrl+f for god gift 16:02:57 and it can't find anything 16:03:17 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03:24 <|amethyst> ammo isn't annotated 16:03:27 yeah 16:03:28 <|amethyst> no matter what flags 16:03:38 <|amethyst> the others aren't found because they're in your inventory 16:03:42 yeah 16:04:07 well I didn't get any ammo yet 16:04:30 <|amethyst> I can't think of a reason you'd possibly want to search for god-gifted ammo... it's exactly the same as other ammo of the same type/brand 16:04:35 no stack search annotations on ammo? WTH? 16:04:39 well 16:04:47 <|amethyst> SamB_: no "{god gift}" stash annotation 16:04:54 if you zerk a bunch of guys 16:05:04 and possibly have to run away when you zerk ends 16:05:10 |amethyst: oh, you mean the item itself doesn't hold the flag 16:05:13 or whatever 16:05:15 you notice in message log that you got gifts 16:05:17 <|amethyst> SamB_: right 16:05:23 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:05:30 yeah, that's a pretty good reason not to display or match it 16:05:35 <|amethyst> LexAckson: ctrl-f missile 16:05:49 yeah, that works 16:06:40 <|amethyst> because the non-god-gift stack of arrows of dispersal you left on D:1 is just as useful to you as the stack that Trog gave you 16:06:50 i was trying 'ammo' 16:06:56 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:05 <|amethyst> LexAckson: probably that should be a synonym 16:07:06 thanks 16:07:22 yeah 16:07:39 I'm kinda surprised the gifts don't burn piety ? 16:08:11 <|amethyst> LexAckson: (likewise ctrl-f armor doesn't work) 16:08:20 SamB_: They reduce future piety gain for a while 16:08:25 |amethyst: it doesn't? 16:08:39 armour 16:08:40 didn't it used to do ? 16:08:45 <|amethyst> SamB_: no, only the correct spelling 16:08:49 SamB_: When the gift timeout is still active, piety gains are partially diverted towards reducing it instead of increasing piety 16:08:49 <|amethyst> SamB_: hm 16:08:50 lol 16:08:55 <|amethyst> SamB_: ISTR there was *something* about that 16:09:07 I thought stash prefixes used to double that up with both spellings 16:11:06 <|amethyst> SamB_: doesn't work in 0.10 either 16:11:16 <|amethyst> SamB_: I don't have anything older conveniently available 16:11:26 <|amethyst> SamB_: some options accept the american spellings 16:11:56 * SamB_ tries to get the log to go past the hardcoding of defaults ... 16:12:32 <|amethyst> the problem with just adding the alternative spellings is that it makes the stash prefix list longer than it needs to be 16:12:57 is that a huge problem? 16:14:06 -!- sstrickl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:52 -!- santiago__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:17 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:15:22 <|amethyst> not *huge*, but the point of showing the prefix list is for people to know what they can search for, and having alternative spellings in that list would make the important ones harder to find 16:15:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:15:56 <|amethyst> actually 16:16:17 <|amethyst> I see we already have some alternative spellings in the list 16:16:22 <|amethyst> so ignore me 16:16:23 heh 16:16:30 <|amethyst> {artefact} {artifact} and {ego} {branded} 16:16:32 it was a nict thought 16:16:41 s/nict/nice/ 16:18:25 so, i'm trying to figure out exactly how to get separate save files for each sprint map 16:18:36 mumra helped me some yesterday 16:18:56 so far the plan is to save crawl_state.sprint_map 16:19:06 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 16:19:15 and use to append to the save file 16:19:36 but i'm not sure about the save file workings 16:19:42 marshall and unmarshall 16:19:46 and CHR_FORMAT 16:19:57 so 16:19:59 <|amethyst> how does that help? 16:20:15 <|amethyst> or do you mean append it to the save file *name* ? 16:20:17 oh, sorry 16:20:21 yes that is correct 16:20:42 <|amethyst> then I think you don't need to care about the save format 16:20:51 <|amethyst> but 16:21:01 <|amethyst> the server infrastructure would also need some work to handle that 16:21:04 yeah 16:21:11 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:21:15 i thought that might be the case 16:21:51 <|amethyst> it should be reasonably simple to do, though, once it's working locally 16:22:03 <|amethyst> mostly it's a matter of handling save transfers and that kind of thing 16:22:17 <|amethyst> well 16:22:43 <|amethyst> there's also the question of what to do if someone selects "sprint" from the menu and they have a save already 16:22:47 yeah 16:22:55 you have to add a minor version tag 16:24:06 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:24:59 <|amethyst> LexAckson: for what? 16:25:41 <|amethyst> I don't see why the save format needs to change at all 16:25:53 okay i wasn't sure 16:26:04 i think you just add a minor version tag 16:26:05 <|amethyst> and it's not like you can look at the version tag of the old save to determine what filename to use... since having the tag implies you've found the file already 16:26:34 to make sure you don't try to load something that is not there 16:26:35 oh 16:27:11 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:27:18 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:53 <|amethyst> (btw, the sprint map is already stored *in* the save, though of course that doesn't help if you want multiple sprint saves per character) 16:28:21 i saw that it was in there 16:28:38 but that may break when we get multi level sprint maps? 16:28:45 if 16:29:21 <|amethyst> LexAckson: no, crawl_state.map is specifically the "Map selected in the newgame menu" 16:29:34 oh 16:29:46 <|amethyst> LexAckson: (we already have Abyss in sprint, unless that was removed) 16:31:04 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:32:44 <|amethyst> LexAckson: also, this may be bikeshedding, but it might make more sense to use directories for the maps rather than putting them in the filename themselves 16:32:59 |amethyst: I believe it was removed 16:32:59 <|amethyst> LexAckson: meat_sprint/neil.cs instead of neil-meat_sprint.cs 16:33:22 makes sense to me 16:34:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:43 |amethyst: something about orb ninjaing or something ... 16:38:14 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 16:39:47 -!- buki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:28 alright 16:40:39 so as a first test 16:40:58 i just append crawl_state.map to the save file name 16:41:10 -!- Automaton has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:12 and that is marshalled and unmarshalled just like a tutorial map would be 16:42:38 if (crawl_state.game_is_sprint() && minor >= TAG_MINOR_SPRINT_SCORES) 16:42:38 crawl_state.map = unmarshallString(th); 16:43:48 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:48:03 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:49:03 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 16:51:15 how do i tell git to make a patch 16:51:50 you could make a commit and then use git format-patch 16:52:16 though there's not much point unless you've set things so it will set the author sensibly ... 16:52:47 <|amethyst> LexAckson: in tag_read_char you mean? 16:52:52 yeah 16:53:09 <|amethyst> LexAckson: I'd add it to the existing if for tutorial 16:53:25 okay 16:53:29 -!- C7ty1 has quit [] 16:53:57 <|amethyst> (and the tag check should be in an #if for the current major version 16:54:02 <|amethyst> so something like: 16:54:07 <|amethyst> if (crawl_state.game_is_tutorial() 16:54:20 <|amethyst> || crawl_state.game_is_sprint 16:54:30 <|amethyst> #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34 16:54:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:52 <|amethyst> && minor >= TAG_MINOR_SPRINT_SCORES 16:54:52 -!- SaintWacko_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:54:53 <|amethyst> #endif 16:54:59 <|amethyst> ) 16:55:02 yeah 16:55:13 what's the major version thing for 16:55:39 <|amethyst> LexAckson: so that, when we bump the major version and break save compat, we can easily remove the save compat code 16:55:51 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 16:55:59 oh 16:56:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:56:25 && has higher precedence than || right? 16:56:31 <|amethyst> (not just to make it easy, but also for correctness: in the next major version, TAG_MINOR_SPRINT_SCORES will not be defined) 16:56:52 <|amethyst> LexAckson: yes, but if you have to ask, fully parenthesise it :) 16:56:52 that makes sense 16:59:46 should i use git format-patch to make something that i can post to the mantis? 17:01:11 * xFleury runs 'git clone --recursive git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git -b msvc2012' to test if it compiles without modifications now. :) 17:02:16 does this look good? 17:02:16 http://pastebin.com/7uPzbSLB 17:03:16 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:03:47 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:01 -!- Shaft_Ed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:07:13 <|amethyst> doesn't have the ifdef stuff 17:07:17 <|amethyst> err, #if 17:07:33 oh, i put it there 17:07:38 forgot to save 17:08:30 hmm 17:09:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:10 can i just save the patch i see in gitk? 17:11:00 <|amethyst> I don't know if gitk can do that; there's always format-patch 17:11:24 okay, how do i tell it to make the patch for only the last commit? 17:11:42 <|amethyst> if you want to fold your changes into the previous commit, you can use git commit --amend (if you haven't committed yet) or git rebase -i (if you have; mark the second one as "squash") 17:12:00 <|amethyst> git format-patch HEAD^ 17:12:33 !tell mumra tilegen.vcxproj's release configuration omits passing dc-floor.txt, dc-wall.txt, dc-feat.txt, and dc-icons.txt to tilegen. Is this intended? 17:12:34 xFleury: OK, I'll let mumra know. 17:14:29 okay, i think this is good 17:14:31 http://pastebin.com/qqiKmxnV 17:16:00 -!- kongtomorrow has quit [Quit: kongtomorrow] 17:16:27 thanks |amethyst 17:20:26 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:21:48 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26:23 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:29:57 <|amethyst> LexAckson: btw, I don't think you need separate scores files 17:30:26 <|amethyst> !tell LexAckson btw, I don't think you need separate score files, since the entries are tagged with the map 17:30:27 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lexackson know. 17:31:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:39 <|amethyst> !tell LexAckson otoh, I guess the total_entries count would be wrong then so maybe it does make sense to split them 17:32:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lexackson know. 17:32:53 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 17:34:09 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:34:31 |amethyst: it's an implementable 17:34:31 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:34:59 <|amethyst> mumra: I was thinking it would be possible to display the scores separately even if they're in one file 17:35:12 ah right 17:36:01 <|amethyst> mumra: but the scores file is limited to a certain number of entries, so that wouldn't be right unless you changed how you count that 17:36:21 <|amethyst> !tell LexAckson re your patch, you want to put both parens after the #endif, otherwise it will be unbalanced when the major version increments 17:36:22 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lexackson know. 17:37:45 <|amethyst> !tell LexAckson and use braces around the body there since your condition is multi-line (and no braces in _score_file_name since the condition and body are both one line); see docs/develop/coding_conventions.txt 17:37:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lexackson know. 17:38:07 hmm, i see how to quite easily make multi-level sprint work 17:40:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:04 also there's some slightly screwy logic in how vaults are picked, this would prevent that fun D:1==D:$ bug that broke sprint a while back ... 17:41:24 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:48 mumra: make it sew 17:41:56 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 17:44:00 is there any legitimate reason why you'd end up on another branch or floor in sprint/zotdef/tutorial? 17:44:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:45:00 banishment? 17:45:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:17 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:18 mumra: tutorial has more than one floor? 17:45:20 i can't remember if somebody made banishment not work in sprint 17:45:28 ontoclasm: I think they did 17:45:36 abyss was banished from sprint, yeah 17:46:38 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Pale Moon 20.0.1/20130409184116]] 17:46:48 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:46:54 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:46:57 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:47:03 !messages 17:47:04 (1/1) xFleury said (34m 30s ago): tilegen.vcxproj's release configuration omits passing dc-floor.txt, dc-wall.txt, dc-feat.txt, and dc-icons.txt to tilegen. Is this intended? 17:47:35 xFleury: this wasn't intended, did i change it by accident 17:47:37 ? 17:48:03 They have to be set for both, I don't think setting one automatically sets the other. 17:48:13 no 17:48:13 So you likely just forgot to update Release config when you last changed Debug config. 17:48:24 i didn't change tilegen.vcxproj at all 17:48:30 only crawl.vcxproj 17:49:00 Oh? Maybe I forgot to then, or the VS2010 projects hadn't set it. 17:49:14 VS2010 projects used a different folder 17:49:22 In any case, if you try to build Release without having first built Debug, it will error out. 17:50:00 !messages 17:50:01 No messages for ontoclasm. 17:50:12 I pulled a fresh copy from GIT, and tried to build just Release, and that's when I noticed it. 17:50:13 xFleury: i just checked, this mistake comes from the version in your svn :P 17:50:21 >.< 17:50:23 * xFleury hides. 17:50:25 hehe 17:50:36 anyway well done noticing it 17:51:06 yeah it's only correct in Debug/Win32 17:51:23 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 17:52:52 -!- doome has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:12 help one of my team members is not showing up on the clan page 17:53:19 this is very urgent i will die if i do not receive help 17:53:21 blub blub blub 17:53:42 how long ago did they edit their rc? 17:53:51 doome: the deadline isn't for a while 17:54:08 a handful of hours 17:54:13 between 12-24 17:54:27 well, I mean it's not minutes 17:54:31 ok, that should be long enough 17:54:53 * xFleury throws doome a potion of speed. 17:54:54 elliptic may also have mercy on you 17:55:07 doome: which server is the RC on? 17:55:17 czso 17:55:30 <|amethyst> doome: I think it's what lainiw said 17:55:44 <|amethyst> doome: he needs to capitalise TEAMCAPTAIN 17:55:55 oh 17:56:03 that was my next question: did you use the right syntax ;-) 17:56:58 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 17:58:53 i did 17:58:56 he didn't :v 18:02:40 that was the plural you 18:03:38 anyway since it's CSZO it should update pretty quickly 18:03:40 <|amethyst> If SamB had meant "didst thou" he would have said it :P 18:04:17 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 18:06:47 it sounds like the problem was discovered, but I should also note that the clan deadline isn't for 48 hours still 18:06:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:22 and in the past I have fixed things manually after that when people begged me :P 18:07:47 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:08:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:05 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:11:39 things like my capitalisation? 18:12:14 oh right, that 18:12:37 I'll try to do that tonight 18:13:14 hmm, some places it's right, some places it isn't 18:13:21 I *think* it is just a matter of rerunning the tourney scripts from scratch, but I should test things to make sure it doesn't mess something else up 18:14:01 Missing post-build events in msvc2012 branch for project tilegen. by Fleury 18:14:01 mostly seems to be wrong in the clan membership 18:14:01 * xFleury submitted his first patch ever, has no idea if he did it correctly. 18:14:16 SamB: I think it is correct iff the player played at least one game (or got one milestone) before joining a clan 18:14:23 or something like that 18:14:32 one of these tourneys I should actually fix it properly 18:14:56 I mean like on the combo scoreboard it is right 18:15:12 my nick, SamB, appears in that capitalisation there 18:15:43 oh, but my page calls itself "player information for samb" 18:15:59 yeah 18:16:21 handling capitalization right is really annoying because players can have different capitalization on different servers 18:16:40 ouch 18:17:32 could take the capitalization from the first RC seen to contain TEAM stuff 18:22:29 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:23:03 -!- Svendre has quit [] 18:25:21 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:27:36 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:29:17 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:30:50 who is it that really wanted multi-level sprint? someone mentioned it a day or two ago. maybe st? 18:32:59 !lm neil br.enter 18:32:59 1575. [2013-05-16 13:59:53] neil the Miscreant (L6 DEAr) entered an Ossuary on turn 3780. (D:5) 18:33:13 !lm neil br.enter x=branch 18:33:14 Unknown field: branch 18:33:20 !lm neil x=br.enter 18:33:20 1575. [2013-05-16 13:59:53] [noun=Ossuary] neil the Miscreant (L6 DEAr) entered an Ossuary on turn 3780. (D:5) 18:33:35 !lm neil s=br.enter 18:33:35 1575 milestones for neil: 645x Temple, 308x Sewer, 158x Lair, 139x Ossuary, 59x Bailey, 55x Lab, 52x Orc, 27x IceCv, 27x Swamp, 18x Volcano, 18x Snake, 16x Spider, 13x Shoals, 10x Bazaar, 10x Vaults, 5x Zot, 4x WizLab, 4x Elf, 2x Crypt, 2x Slime, Hell, Hive, Trove 18:33:44 !lm neil t s=br.enter 18:33:45 12 milestones for neil (t): 7x Temple, 3x Sewer, Orc, Ossuary 18:34:09 xFleury: you missed the two x64 builds ;) (i have no idea if there's any point having them of course) 18:35:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:33 SamB: capitalization should be fixed now; let me know if anything is still messed up 18:38:54 !lg neil t xl>=5 s=char 18:38:55 38 games for neil (t xl>=5): 3x HOHe, OpDK, OgIE, HOEn, SEGl, CeHe, HaFE, TrDK, MuAM, MfSk, TrFE, MuAE, NaHu, CePr, DEAr, OgMo, SEHe, SEVM, VpTm, KoTm, CeEn, DDBe, GhAM, NaCK, MfCj, MfAM, OpSk, SEEn, FeAK, GhWz, DgEn, DsWn, HaIE, DECj, SpAK, DDAK 18:39:03 -!- Miron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:04 !lg neil t xl>=9 s=char 18:39:05 6 games for neil (t xl>=9): MuAM, OgMo, SEHe, DECj, DsWn, DDBe 18:39:19 !lg . t xl>=9 s=char 18:39:20 4 games for SamB (t xl>=9): 2x HOPr, 2x DDBe 18:41:30 !lg mumra t xl>=9 s=char 18:41:31 13 games for mumra (t xl>=9): 2x DrWz, DsFE, DEWz, SpAs, SEAM, DgWz, DgHu, OpWn, DrTm, OpHu, DsWz, HaCj 18:42:58 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/shadow.png 18:43:10 uncertain about that one 18:43:51 I like it. I just wonder how well it shows up on stuff. 18:44:12 seems to do pretty well on most backgrounds 18:44:24 I guess the blue-ish outline helps there 18:44:26 on light backgrounds, it's a black thing, on dark it's a blue outline 18:44:30 Yeah 18:44:44 Now if only the monster ITSELF were cooler... 18:44:50 hah 18:45:19 self-fr: Find a way to make them more interesting 18:46:07 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:46:15 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:46:16 they should walk through walls >.> 18:46:26 (i'm joking) 18:46:42 I actually think walk-walking could be interesting, but it requires the monster be able to actually threaten you when it reaches you 18:46:56 And shadows currently threaten no one 18:47:07 (Okay, maybe if you have like 2 str somehow) 18:49:44 well they have 5 attack 18:49:55 and are thus less damaging than, say, a kobold with a club 18:50:17 Yes 18:51:06 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:51:44 aha, multi-level sprint requires LexAckson's patch 18:52:24 |amethyst: you got jiyva's banner playing mostly badchars??? 18:52:59 mumra: it does? 18:53:12 yeah, it needs crawl_state.map to be persisted in the save 18:53:19 in case you save and reload and then go downstairs 18:53:27 (this is how multi-level tutorials work) 18:53:31 oh, it hasn't been? 18:53:35 no 18:54:28 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-734-g5da6816: Prevent D:$ overriding Sprint/Tutorial 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5da6816cb4d5 18:54:39 that really seems like it ought to be persisted for everything so we can include it in the score/milestones anyway ? 18:54:54 SamB: that's why LexAckson's patch does it yes... 18:54:55 i.e. also zotdef 18:55:08 does it do zotdef 18:55:43 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55:52 i assume not 18:56:54 are the zotdef maps that different enough to make a difference for scoring purposes? 18:57:44 hmm, i guess they are 18:58:17 even if they weren't, I'd consider that temporary 18:59:12 should I !tell him to do it for zotdef too? 19:00:05 -!- n1k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:01:15 i was considering pushing the patch so i can do this multi-level thing, would be quite easy to adapt it to do zotdef as well 19:01:19 but maybe i should leave it for him 19:01:58 you could do that too 19:02:34 just, you know, do it in the same patch so we don't need another minor version and another whole block of logic ... 19:03:38 that was the plan of course (just rename his tag) 19:04:01 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:14 but i might just push the multi-level support since it doesn't *break* anything as there aren't any multi-level maps yet 19:04:21 it just needs the save support to work properly 19:05:41 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:43 Yah, might be better to just remove the x64 build targets. 19:06:02 I don't have any interest in getthign those working, if for some reason they don't. 19:06:16 Can't forsee anyone insisting we have those either. :S 19:08:56 we don't exactly support x64 builds on any other platform 19:09:23 mumra: er, no, I wouldn't just push that 19:09:53 SamB: you mean LexAckson's patch? 19:10:06 or multilevel support? 19:10:31 I mean I wouldn't just push multilevel support without LexAckson's [amended?] patch 19:10:38 crawl | 2:0.12.1-1 | sid | source, amd64, armel, armhf, hurd-i386, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, s390x 19:11:04 SamB: are those supported platforms, or platforms for which it is natively built 19:11:11 i.e. is there a native x64 build? 19:11:28 those are platforms that it's been built natively on by Debian 19:11:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:15 amd64 Windows builds work just fine with gcc 19:12:19 ok 19:12:37 I even test them often, even though all release builds are i386 19:12:58 yes, you can run Crawl on your IBM mainframes in at least 63-bit 19:13:05 yeah, i had only seen that there weren't x64 release builds 19:13:26 also on itanic 19:15:34 somehow amd64 on Windows is hardly better than i386, and often slower 19:15:38 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 19:15:49 unlike Linux or BSD where amd64 wins by a lot 19:15:59 (for Crawl, at least) 19:16:03 not on my system it doesn't 19:16:14 it won't even run for some reason 19:16:30 I mean it's not like I don't have qemu installed, why doesn't it just use that? 19:17:23 !tell st_ i have a patch for multilevel sprint, it's just waiting on #6567 to work properly 19:17:24 mumra: OK, I'll let st_ know. 19:18:00 * SamB is for mumra amending lex's patch and pushing both 19:18:06 SamB: hey, I actually used qemu-system-amd64 on an i386 box in the past. Years later, it turned out that some Pentium4, including that machine, could already run it natively. 19:18:31 kilobyte: yeah but I bet you didn't have the right kernel 19:18:54 well, I had no clue that machine can run it 19:19:17 anyway, mine is STILL a PII for some reason 19:19:41 ... ouch 19:19:55 * kilobyte hands SamB an unused raspi. 19:19:58 SamB: well i don't want to jump in and take over something someone else is already working on, if he doesn't finish it in a day or two i'll do it anyway though 19:20:17 I rear rasbpi is in that sorespot between arm and armhf 19:20:44 you need to recompile stuff for it, yeah 19:21:13 and the system in question IS equipped with x87 technology 19:21:35 our official armhf builds support raspberry pi 19:21:56 I didn't know we had those 19:22:29 you mentioned what I assume was supposed to be a FULL armhf desktop? 19:22:36 for ~$100 19:22:36 it has the coprocessor but no Thumb2 19:25:30 -!- Blade-- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:46 -!- lainiw has quit 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see docs/develop/coding_conventions.txt 19:54:50 thanks 19:55:14 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-735-g1618152: Shadow tile 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1618152b4b2e 19:55:45 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:31 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 19:58:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:00:05 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:00:28 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:39 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:10:29 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:48 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:11:01 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12:42 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:20:06 !tell LexAckson also your patch should do zotdef 20:20:07 SamB: OK, I'll let lexackson know. 20:20:08 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 20:20:27 !tell since zotdef has maps, too 20:20:28 SamB: OK, I'll let since know. 20:20:33 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:20:38 !tell LexAckson since zotdef has maps, too 20:20:39 SamB: OK, I'll let lexackson know. 20:21:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:32 -!- since has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:42 !messages 20:22:43 (1/1) SamB said (2m 16s ago): zotdef has maps, too 20:22:48 -!- since has quit [Client Quit] 20:34:09 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:39:02 -!- kongtomorrow has quit [Quit: kongtomorrow] 20:40:23 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:15 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:46:00 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:46:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:50:18 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:54:51 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:21 -!- Guest29231 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:57:28 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:09:41 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:03 "Our latest stable release in 0.7.2 (“Pacific Pachyderm”), and our current trunk will become 0.8.0 (as yet unnamed)." lol 21:15:16 -!- pps has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:25:31 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [] 21:27:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:29:25 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41:45 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:22 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:56 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 21:51:44 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 21:56:43 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-736-g6e50ca2: Use pluses for artefact MR inscriptions. 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e50ca2c451a 21:58:56 Grunt: I sort of think MR, MR+, and MR++ do make more sense. Though I am not sure how often <20 MR shows up on randarts anyway (but I guess that will be clearer now!) 21:59:31 -!- Twinge_ is now known as Twinge 22:00:09 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:00:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:00:56 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01:14 Grunt: Also, unlike what the commit says, aren't normal rings of magic resistance 40 MR? 22:01:49 And not 20 22:02:16 ...You're right. Maybe I got my wires crossed thinking about not having the extra plus :| 22:04:33 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:41 hai bad-dev. any of us win yet? 22:05:29 -!- Felyza__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06:26 <|amethyst> bh: nope, best game so far is 22:06:32 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: Arivia] 22:06:32 !hs neil t 22:06:33 <|amethyst> !lg dpeg t dsmo xl=16 22:06:39 ...oh <_< 22:06:42 137. neil the Cleaver (L10 DDBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by a spatial maelstrom on Abyss:1 on 2013-05-15 07:49:03, with 6485 points after 7537 turns and 0:26:57. 22:06:42 1. dpeg the Stickfighter (L16 DsMo), worshipper of Makhleb, slain by a death yak on Lair:5 on 2013-05-13 16:46:33, with 108731 points after 41863 turns and 3:13:13. 22:07:06 !hs bh t 22:07:07 16. bh the Scorcher (L13 DrFE), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by a trapdoor spider zombie on D:12 on 2013-05-12 20:28:03, with 35001 points after 30383 turns and 3:05:19. 22:07:19 a bunch of guys on sa are whining about MR being too hidden 22:07:23 <|amethyst> !hs mumra t 22:07:24 104. mumra the Protected (L13 DgWz), mangled by an enormous slime creature on D:13 on 2013-05-12 01:20:50, with 57062 points after 41482 turns and 4:40:52. 22:07:34 <|amethyst> !hs samb t 22:07:35 84. SamB the Severer (L12 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, slain by a 16-headed hydra on Lair:4 on 2013-05-11 23:22:07, with 22952 points after 24808 turns and 1:39:00. 22:07:47 i.e. it's not clear whether x amount of mr is good enough to protect you from y 22:07:59 hi bh 22:08:06 i was doing really well earlier 22:08:15 but then got stupid 22:08:57 mumra: we should shout at each other when acting stupid. 22:09:11 * SamB is trying to get Chei's banner 22:09:38 ??tournament 22:09:38 tournament[1/3]: The 0.12 tournament is May 11-27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/ Leaderboard: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/overview.html For team-less players, see {LFG} 22:10:05 two-char streak of making it to XL9 22:10:31 maybe I should try stair diving for `Lord of Darkness` 22:11:55 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-737-g8ebeecd: Adjust the MR plus thresholds. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ebeecd0b1b1 22:12:16 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:12:41 !lg 22:12:42 907. SamB the Cleaver (L9 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, mangled by an orc warrior (a +1,+3 orcish glaive) (kmap: david_orc_4) on D:7 on 2013-05-17 03:03:21, with 2308 points after 8730 turns and 0:25:19. 22:12:50 !lm 22:12:50 we have 65+ uniques!? 22:12:50 779. [2013-05-17 03:02:18] SamB the Cleaver (L9 HOPr) killed Menkaure on turn 8357. (D:7) 22:13:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:13:13 !lm . s=unique 22:13:13 No milestones for SamB. 22:13:17 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:25 how does that go again 22:14:17 bh: problem is, my moments of stupidity don't tend to last long enough for anyone to notice in time :) 22:14:37 I noticed last time, and then you got nessos'd 22:14:39 !lm samb t uniq s=noun 22:14:40 38 milestones for samb (t uniq): 6x Ijyb, 5x Jessica, 4x Eustachio, 3x Blork the orc, 2x Terence, 2x Prince Ribbit, 2x Menkaure, 2x Edmund, 2x Grinder, Pikel, Crazy Yiuf, Maurice, Gastronok, Dowan, Urug, Sigmund, Erica, Duvessa, Sonja 22:14:59 !lm . t s=uniq 22:15:00 38 milestones for SamB (t): 6x Ijyb, 5x Jessica, 4x Eustachio, 3x Blork the orc, 2x Terence, 2x Prince Ribbit, 2x Menkaure, 2x Edmund, 2x Grinder, Pikel, Crazy Yiuf, Maurice, Gastronok, Dowan, Urug, Sigmund, Erica, Duvessa, Sonja 22:15:06 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:15:22 !lm elliptic t s=uniq 22:15:22 215 milestones for elliptic (t): 8x Urug, 8x Saint Roka, 7x Wiglaf, 6x Frederick, 6x Duvessa, 6x Xtahua, 6x Dowan, 6x Boris, 6x Rupert, 5x Harold, 5x Jorgrun, 5x Nergalle, 5x Sonja, 5x Fannar, 5x Agnes, 5x Frances, 5x Sigmund, 5x Aizul, 5x Eustachio, 5x Blork the orc, 4x Louise, 4x Azrael, 4x Erica, 4x Grinder, 4x Edmund, 4x Margery, 4x Maurice, 4x Mara, 4x Erolcha, 4x Gastronok, 4x Norris, 4x Nes... 22:15:47 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 22:16:02 gah 22:16:16 !lg 22:16:17 907. SamB the Cleaver (L9 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, mangled by an orc warrior (a +1,+3 orcish glaive) (kmap: david_orc_4) on D:7 on 2013-05-17 03:03:21, with 2308 points after 8730 turns and 0:25:19. 22:16:50 wrong one 22:16:52 !lg 22:16:52 908. SamB the Priest (L5 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, slain by Grinder on D:3 on 2013-05-17 03:15:58, with 404 points after 2451 turns and 0:09:42. 22:17:02 mr verbosity should just switch to a 'orc wizard - psyche - deep elf mage - ogre mage - deep elf demonologist - lich - alich' scale 22:17:26 very informative. 100% reliable 22:17:48 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 35 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d4), invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:17:48 %??orc wizard 22:18:01 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 59-99 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4059 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d24), greater demon, banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:18:01 %??lich 22:18:18 jeanjacques: what's the point of having alich on this scale 22:18:30 well, i do like the suggestion where examining a monster gives you a measure of your MR vs. its power 22:18:40 that might be useful 22:18:56 i dont know. i dont even know what determines monster hex spellpower 22:19:04 HD i think 22:23:35 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:15 -!- lightquake is now known as Guest 22:25:50 It's mainly HD, but it also often annoyingly depends on exactly which spell is in play. 22:25:54 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:30:06 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:22 jeanjacques: oh, you mean what kind of monsters you'd be safish against 22:33:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:34 the problem with giving any sort of description at all is that you're still going to get banished sometimes 22:33:50 saying "you have enough MR not to worry about erolcha" would be lying 22:34:43 well, it is possible to be immune... it's just that the breakpoints for actual immunity are not very useful 22:34:46 Erolcha isn't all that dangerous. 22:34:51 bh: lies 22:35:04 elliptic: I think she's killed me (by abyssing) once 22:35:20 !lg . ckiller=erolcha 22:35:21 No games for bh (ckiller=erolcha). 22:35:23 personally I think the adjectives work okay; another idea would be to have some sort of MR bar on the % screen 22:35:30 the people who want this sort of thing are the ones who got abyssed once and screamed NOT FAIR WHY DIDN'T THE DEVS TELL ME :CCC 22:35:47 elliptic: well one problem is that the adjectives are blatant lies 22:36:15 todo: come up with a better MR system <_< 22:36:20 "quite resistant" is effectively "not resistant at all" versus anything past an orcish sorceror 22:36:33 Well, you probably ARE 'quite resistant' at 'quite resistant', if you look at how often you resist versus not 22:36:41 It's just that the effect when you DON'T resist is sometimes really high 22:36:54 ontoclasm: well it's better than "somewhat resistant"! 22:36:58 So what you REALLY want is 'almost entirely resistant vs. monster X' 22:37:18 mainly I just mean that the adjective intervals are reasonably spaced 22:37:19 Since winning the MR check 50 or 60% of the time isn't that great from the player's point of view 22:37:34 what do you want, 5 9s? 22:37:44 players can learn how good "quite resistant" is from experience 22:37:53 and probably you want them in the most significant digits, too ... 22:37:54 Well, I don't really think the adjectives are a problem, given the current MR system itself 22:38:06 the main drawback of the adjectives is remembering which ones are better than others 22:38:12 Yes, there is that 22:38:18 which is why I mentioned a bar 22:38:27 But given how MR checks work, a lot of the stuff is going to necessarily be kind of vague and unreliable anyway 22:38:28 elliptic: thanks for indirectly reminding me earlier to get the plus thing done, by the way. 22:38:30 however I'm not sure that's a great idea 22:38:36 yes, nobody thinks ** is higher piety than *** 22:38:51 Grunt: I think that was someone else who brought it up? I just said I agreed with it :P 22:39:09 I don't really remember; I just remembered that you had something to do with it :b 22:39:16 plus thing? 22:39:20 %git HEAD^ 22:39:21 03Grunt * 0.13-a0-736-g6e50ca2: Use pluses for artefact MR inscriptions. 10(52 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e50ca2c451a 22:39:32 Grunt: anyway thanks for actually coding it :P 22:39:42 oh, I was going to ask if this was related to the plus2 on that net 22:39:45 It's something I've been meaning to do for a while and just kept forgetting. 22:39:57 do you get "You resist with some effort" and so on the way monsters do? 22:39:58 -!- boyo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:18 SamB: so, the amulet of the Four Winds {Clar rN+ MR++} 22:40:22 Those messages are useless, by the way 22:40:27 the +9 armour of the Dragon King {rPois rF+ rC+ MR+} 22:40:33 Since they are based on the roll of that attempt, not your overall chance 22:40:36 So they jump all over the place 22:40:41 mmm 22:40:50 DracoOmega: oh i know, but they should a) be based on overall chance, and b) show for the player too 22:40:51 (I think the messages should be based on overall chance) 22:40:54 you mean it might as well say "you rolled a natural 20" 22:41:16 nevermind how that can be different from an unnatural 20 22:41:21 I never really did grok that 22:41:42 you could roll a 17 on the die and then get +3 added 22:41:49 that would be a 20 but not a natural one 22:42:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:32 <|amethyst> "natural 20" is there in d20 so things like attacks always have at least a 5% chance of hitting 22:42:44 DracoOmega: for the record, generating a large number of unrands does give a nice spread of MR, MR+, MR++. 22:43:02 Nice to know 22:43:02 DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:43:18 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:43:19 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:45:58 -!- theboxx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:02 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:46:59 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:47:17 * SamB mostly only gets this stuff from webcomics and such 22:47:28 * SamB therefore doesn't understand all the terminology 22:49:36 these orcish mines are defective! 22:49:40 not orcish enough 22:49:41 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:58 do they have giants? or something else 22:50:01 oh, there's some orcs 22:50:11 there was nobody there to greet me when I came down the stairs 22:50:18 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:20 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:23 I remember my very first time in Orc, I got the lemuel giant vault taking up half of orc:3 or something like that 22:50:35 and I thought this happened every game 22:51:22 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:51:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:32 elliptic: any tips on playing crawl as awesome as you? 22:51:51 uh 22:51:53 bh: play and play and play and play and learn from your playing!!! 22:52:02 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:14 it really depends on what you are thinking of as awesome 22:52:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:36 elliptic: isn't you #3 in the tourney? 22:52:36 70% winrate? 22:52:37 for high winrate, a lot of that is just generally being careful and not taking unnecessary risks 22:52:41 and your clan #3 as well? 22:52:44 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:59 don't be insulted if it's actually #2/#2 22:52:59 I learned those skills from other roguelikes actually before starting to play crawl 22:53:24 SamB: currently my clan is #2 but I won't be insulted because we were #4 briefly earlier in the day :P 22:53:34 elliptic: what other roguelikes, out of curiosity? 22:53:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:06 I think jeanjacques was at #1/#1 last I checked 22:54:10 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:54:35 which may or may not have been today 22:55:02 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:09 my roguelike order (only stuff I played a decent amount): moria -> angband -> nethack -> adom -> angband -> adom -> crawl 22:55:11 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:39 Hmm... quite a bit of prior experience, then 22:56:00 Mm, Angband. 22:56:22 I never really could grap *band, I think mainly because I was weaned on NetHack <_< 22:56:23 I heard about elly trying to stairdance in angband :) 22:56:27 Haha. 22:56:28 -!- ibanix_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:56:41 That is a quick stair to disappointment. :b 22:57:10 Part of the problem with 'being careful' as advice to players trying to improve is usually when people are not doing it, they also don't realize when they're not doing it. And if they could realize when they weren't, they probably WOULD be doing it. 22:57:17 Not that I have a better way to put it, of course :P 22:57:33 * geekosaur started out on original rogue 22:57:46 stairs are actually the most broken thing ever in angband with some options settings, since you can just go up and down them forever generating new levels and looking for loot on the ground nearby 22:57:58 -!- ibanix has quit [Client Quit] 22:58:09 won't you starve? 22:58:29 I never got into Slash'em. It was much too silly. 22:58:47 you can grind forever in angband with no risk 22:58:52 Oh goodness, S. 22:59:00 (I refuse to refer to S by its full name <_<) 22:59:04 DracoOmega: right... and sometimes people fail to be careful because they don't realize they are in danger, but other times they fail to be careful because they panic and don't consider their options 22:59:25 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:36 like mumra getting murdered by nessos when I was telling him to drink his potion of invisibility 22:59:41 the first thing new players should do when they encounter sigmund is a bit of yoga or perhaps make some iced tea 22:59:43 Or me running in the wrong direction from Josephine 22:59:50 I keep thinking that it would be nice to have a way to make crawl remind you of your options when they become relevant 22:59:58 Yeah. Like, the majority of 'unavoidable deaths' were only unavoidable for the last few turns before dying, and the key is realizing that you could have sidestepped the whole problem in the first place 23:00:08 the first thing new players should do when they encounter sigmund is get confused by him and die 23:00:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:00:28 that's the second 23:00:33 have to be in the right mindset first 23:00:45 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:50 the RIGHT MINDSET to be confused by sigmund? 23:00:55 eh? 23:00:56 mikee_: no the mindset comes after they die, so that they are mentally prepared to die to sigmund a second time 23:01:01 you don't get confused by him irl! i hope =P 23:01:09 ok i see where this is going 23:01:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:26 I will use this wisdom! 23:01:32 it might be confusing when he goes invis 23:01:37 to n00bs 23:01:58 I found looking at ttyrecs of good players pretty helpful myself (though I only did this after I had already won a couple times), but the funny thing is I couldn't really point to anything specific that I learned 23:01:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:16 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:17 Just that somehow I started making the correct action more often 23:02:39 like you sorta picked up on their habbits or something ? 23:02:43 This weird sort of unconscious schema 23:02:44 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:59 but can't actually remember what the habbits were 23:03:09 Kind of? It's not as conscious as that, of course 23:03:24 you could set goals for your spectating 23:03:25 I guess I should have just said "picked up" 23:03:36 watch good player X and keep track of exactly what he uses the blowgun on 23:03:47 i am totally serious =P 23:03:57 Well, I watched mostly the really earlygame stuff 23:04:09 Of course, that is the most valuable place to get better at 23:04:56 I mean, really some of it is just as simple as 'back into a corridor instead of charging into the open where more stuff may be waiting for you' 23:05:17 And 'don't step in a way that allows your retreat to get cut off in the process, if you can help it' 23:05:27 how to kill ants with a blowgun 23:05:34 how to kill iguanas with a blowgun 23:06:03 ragdoll is quite inspiring when he kills ogres with a blowgun 23:06:20 Are there people who kill ogres with blowguns who aren't inspiring? 23:06:36 why wouldn't you kill ogres with blowguns? 23:06:46 SamB: because you don't have a blowgun? :b 23:06:53 As reasons 23:06:55 yeah that was the main reason I could think of 23:07:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07:22 As: despite the name, a fighty type who happens to start with a blowgun >_> 23:07:25 another is "because your orcs are in the way" 23:07:29 (though the As I won was stabby!) 23:07:46 (Mainly because I found a D:2 or D:3 or so ring of invisibility.) 23:08:07 !log . as won 23:08:08 1. SGrunt, XL27 HaAs, T:114193: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/SGrunt/morgue-SGrunt-20130422-215037.txt 23:08:10 I assume As do want to pick up needles though? 23:08:17 I pick up needles with most characters :b 23:08:27 everyone wants to pick up needles pretty much, at least until lair or so 23:08:36 well, it's now the default in master for As to do it 23:08:44 though sometimes I am lazy about it and wait until I have a blowgun and then go back for needles 23:08:50 but sometimes going back is hard 23:09:06 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:15:32 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 23:16:08 Sigmund. Forget about Sigmund. Grinder is the real horror show. 23:16:43 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:17:08 !killratio sigmund * d:2 23:17:11 sigmund wins 51.42% of battles against * (d:2). 23:17:12 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:17:15 !killratio grinder * d:3 23:17:18 grinder wins 40.80% of battles against * (d:3). 23:17:27 !killratio sigmund * t d:2 23:17:29 sigmund wins 45.48% of battles against * (t d:2). 23:17:32 !killratio grinder * t d:3 23:17:34 grinder wins 38.91% of battles against * (t d:3). 23:18:05 are kill announcements off in ##crawl? 23:18:19 Mm? 23:18:35 i'm sure i've killed several uniques that normally get announced and they didn't 23:18:42 Such as? 23:18:48 like, gastronok should be announced shouldn't he? 23:18:51 No. 23:18:59 ??unannounced uniques 23:19:00 unannounced uniques[1/1]: Jessica Ijyb Blork Terence Edmund Psyche Joseph Josephine Harold Maud Grum Gastronok Dowan Duvessa Pikel Menkaure Purgy Maurice Yiuf Urug Snorg Eustachio Ribbit Nergalle. Deaths are not announced in ##crawl. This doesn't mean they are harmless, just that we don't want to be spammed by everyone killing them. 23:19:02 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:02 -!- brain_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:19:25 hmm, ok 23:19:35 -!- ibanix has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:19:37 i didn't think he got killed often enough to count as spam 23:20:16 !lm * t s=uniq 23:20:17 40348 milestones for * (t): 2699x Ijyb, 1883x Jessica, 1672x Sigmund, 1521x Eustachio, 1501x Terence, 1459x Crazy Yiuf, 1409x Blork the orc, 1375x Edmund, 1355x Duvessa, 1349x Dowan, 1153x Pikel, 993x Grinder, 968x Joseph, 959x Prince Ribbit, 947x Menkaure, 846x Psyche, 845x Maurice, 826x Grum, 803x Harold, 792x Fannar, 771x Erolcha, 770x Erica, 646x Urug, 610x Josephine, 605x Gastronok, 585x Sonj... 23:21:00 !lm * t s=uniq ?:N<600 23:21:01 11592 milestones for * (t): 585x Sonja, 532x Nessos, 526x Nergalle, 517x Rupert, 486x Agnes, 455x Saint Roka, 452x Aizul, 429x Frances, 426x Snorg, 424x Wiglaf, 418x Louise, 416x Kirke, 410x Jorgrun, 406x Donald, 398x Boris, 393x Nikola, 361x Maud, 354x Azrael, 308x Norris, 285x Xtahua, 284x Mara, 283x Margery, 273x Frederick, 239x Roxanne, 201x Mennas, 194x Ilsuiw, 164x Arachne, 154x the royal je... 23:21:34 the least common unannounced unique is nergalle I guess 23:22:21 there are a few more common ones that are announced, probably either because the list wasn't created scientifically or because they are significantly more dangerous 23:22:53 I still think Grinder is more dangerous than Sigmund. It's easy to die to Grinder even if you aren't being stupid 23:22:53 Anyone know offhand how the game decides to spawn additional monsters (for taking too many turns or leaving a floor and coming back later, or whatnot)? 23:23:05 -!- Johan____ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:30 bh: Grinder is probably more dangerous to try and KILL than Sigmund, but often easier to escape from, since he has a tendancy to blink away from you 23:23:37 And thus give you room to get away 23:23:42 xFleury: well it has a chance of spawning new monsters from the start onwards 23:23:58 the "too many turns" thing is about spawning massively out of depth monsters 23:24:10 and monsters aren't spawned while you aren't on the level 23:25:09 You mean as I'm exploring the level, it may be dynamically throwing additional monsters on it? 23:25:13 sure 23:25:17 that happens all the time 23:25:55 The additional monsters start as wandering rather than asleep, incidentally 23:25:57 Can you elaborate just a bit on how that takes place? Like... does it just try to mess with the player and spawn stuff just outside LoS? 23:26:04 no 23:26:15 we generally don't "just try to mess with the player" :P 23:26:32 It places them randomly (though not in LoS of you unless it's via stairs, I think?) 23:27:11 -!- atomicthumbs|lap has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:31 -!- utWU8 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:41 So every so many turns, it'll just toss monsters not in LoS on the level, and if you take a really really long time, those monsters are out-of-depth monsters? 23:27:59 more or less, yes 23:28:24 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:44 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 23:31:24 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:05 -!- atomicthumbs|lap has quit [Client Quit] 23:32:12 Ok, and the biggest issue with not having these random spawns is... it turns the game into a "attack, rest till full, attack, rest till full" sort of experience? 23:32:21 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 23:32:25 Or is there something else? 23:32:56 !lg 23:32:57 910. SamB the Proselytiser (L1 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, slain by a kobold on D:1 on 2013-05-17 03:20:25, with 24 points after 37 turns and 0:00:08. 23:33:17 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Client Quit] 23:35:25 ??elf 23:35:26 elven halls[1/3]: Accessed from the Orcish Mines on either the third or fourth level. Three levels deep. There is no rune, but a good amount of loot lies at the bottom. 23:35:30 aww 23:35:48 without them once you clear a level it's guaranteed safe, which leads to things like people leading monsters up stairs one monster at a time 23:36:13 that makes sense if you then kill them 23:36:22 and that would also mean no OOD spawns unless you changed the spawn formula too, since I think OOD monsters are never initally spawned on a level, apart from vaults 23:37:04 SamB: I mean, pulling every monster in a level back to an earlier level, which you now know is devoid of enemies 23:37:09 There's a 14% chance (except on D:1-2) that any given initial spawn will be slightly OOD. 23:37:36 what is it on D:1-2 23:37:44 0%, I think 23:37:45 Zero on D:1... 23:37:53 -!- SOSBk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:56 10.5% on D:2, if I'm reading this correctly. 23:38:12 (I'm looking at mon-place.cc:291) 23:39:01 Are there any gods/abilities that allow a character to not need food 23:39:03 ? 23:39:07 but yes the idea is that levels are not supposed to be completely safe, the possibility of monsters wandering around makes things more interesting 23:39:09 Gods? No. 23:39:14 jiyva 23:39:26 (effectively) 23:39:27 Well, Jiyva doesn't *completely* free you of food dependence :b 23:39:34 and necromut 23:39:53 which is "uber" or so I hear :> 23:40:03 Opinion on lich form is ... divided. 23:40:25 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:40:50 -!- oddsox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:43:34 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:33 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:57 -!- flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:50:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:51:01 is there a reason why there's a different message for airstriking the player when they fly, but not for airstriking a monster? 23:52:55 The reason is probably: no one added the other message 23:53:01 But it does sound like it would make sense 23:53:23 I've been assuming that it works on enemies that 'can fly by flapping their wings' 23:54:27 It works if they're flying for any reason 23:54:35 (ie: tornado will net you a damage bonus against stuff) 23:59:17 -!- kmbhR has quit [Remote host closed the connection]