00:00:15 I'm there 00:00:26 # define unique_ptr auto_ptr 00:00:40 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.1-12-gdf020ee 00:00:48 apparently auto_ptr was deprecated in C++0x and unique_ptr is the correct thing to use 00:01:03 all of crawl's code uses unique_ptr 00:01:19 so i am wondering if the #if is returning true when it should return false 00:01:33 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-698-gff9f909 (34) 00:01:53 because otherwise there shouldn't be any reference to auto_ptr 00:01:56 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:02:45 to just change that to #if false for now and see if that fixes the compiler 00:02:48 s/to/so 00:03:42 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:04:47 xFleury: you know i actually think this has already been done in https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4269 00:05:10 you might want to look at the other changes / patches Alexx999 posted there 00:05:42 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.1-12-gdf020ee (34) 00:06:37 Setting the #if to false seems to have fixed it. I'm getting a linker error from zlib.lib atm (haven't MASM'd it yet), but I'll do that now. 00:06:48 That link looks helpful, I'll check it out in a bit if this doesn't work. 00:06:48 -!- Gilihad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:08:45 Fuck the tengu comes into view. It is wielding a dwarven hand axe. 00:09:23 Pay Fuck's fee of 140 gold? 00:09:42 hahaha 00:09:47 that's brilliant 00:09:56 i want a Fuck the Tengu t-shirt 00:10:14 N 00:10:19 because Fuck the Tengu. 00:10:39 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 00:10:48 w8 00:10:55 wasn't i supposed to say "the police" here 00:11:01 oh snap 00:11:12 i think the correct word is "da" not "the" 00:11:25 fuk da polic m8 00:11:32 rchandra: i hope someone has made a learndb about this 00:12:07 can do - I guess it goes in fuk da sac 00:12:40 rchandra: this actually happened? 00:12:52 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:13:05 yep 00:13:14 SamB: i was just spectating it, yes it was real 00:13:26 did Fuck die or just out of LOS? 00:13:43 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 00:13:49 I didn't pay him, he got eaten by a wolf spider zombie 00:14:00 Right. 00:14:02 Laters. 00:14:03 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/blazeitup.png 00:14:07 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 00:14:16 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:14:18 I wasn't thinking rchandra would lie, but I wasn't sure what manner of joke it be: whether perpetrated unwittingly by Crawl or not ... 00:15:56 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-698-gff9f909 (34) 00:16:52 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 00:17:18 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:13 mumra: shouldn't spears whale on something and flails wail on? 00:18:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:20:09 -!- Helmschank_ is now known as Helmschank 00:20:48 i think the screaming sword should wail on things 00:20:50 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 00:21:03 ??screaming sword 00:21:03 singing sword[1/2]: Unbranded +7 long sword that makes noises. Makes more noise and becomes "screaming sword" at high tension, dealing "sonic" (irresistable) damage to every enemy in los. 00:21:24 ??screaming sword[2] 00:21:24 singing sword[2/2]: apparently there is a 0.000060672 chance of any one screaming sword scream being "LET'S FONDLE THE SPERM WHALES, FONDLE THEM!" 00:22:42 hehe 00:23:02 that's actually a possible thing it could say, though I dunno how probable it is at the moment 00:23:15 He should have expressed that as a log probability 00:25:05 * mumra wails 00:27:47 the screaming sword should imitate the shield of gong 00:27:53 sometimes 00:29:29 * bh whales Moby Dick 00:30:53 -!- dupo has quit [] 00:32:23 "GONNNNNGGG ... TEEHEE, JUST JOKING" 00:32:50 i have to play a long sword fighter and get the sword because it's awesome 00:33:04 i did actually briefly use both the singing sword and the shield of gong once 00:33:33 it was a very poor idea to do that in vaults, and yaktaurs pelted me to death 00:33:45 Zannick: we could do that easily enough 00:33:46 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-698-gff9f909 00:35:02 I guess the trick would be to communicate that it's actually the sword doing it ... 00:35:25 The sword screams, "BONGGGGGGGGGGG!" 00:35:32 What if we made the Singing Sword address the other artifacts you're carrying? 00:35:56 bh: yes! or complain that they're not joining in 00:36:24 that would be a bit trickier ... 00:36:31 Zannick: should be easy enough, right. We'd just need an `artefact name` placeholder in the text and something to go through your inventory? 00:37:16 Crawl: A game where an absurd amount of development time is dedicated to a talking sword that you'll probably never see. 00:37:35 "Take it away, Shield of the Gong!" BONNNGGGG SPROINNNNG 00:37:48 @The_weapon@ @_screams_@, "@shield of the gong@" 00:38:28 there's that one fairly frequent vault that has a guaranteed singing sword 00:38:36 @The_weapon@ @_screams_@, "Use @inventory_artefact@ next!" 00:38:38 at least i think there's a vault that guarantees one 00:39:29 * SamB isn't positive he got the syntax totally right 00:40:39 I don't care about syntax. That's what the compiler is for. 00:40:59 we have a *compiler* for this stuff? 00:41:00 * Zannick makes notes to avoid bh's code 00:41:04 -!- tw___ is now known as tw_ 00:41:39 * xFleury is slowly but surely hacking his way to getting MSVC working. 00:42:18 rng.h Ln 13, should use preprocessor 'PURE' rather than ' __attribute__ ((pure));' 00:42:42 since PURE resolves to nothing on MSVC and '__attribute__ ((pure))' on GCC. 00:42:48 The latter fails on MSVC. :| 00:43:01 indeed 00:44:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:55 you didn't exactly need to explain why ;-) 00:46:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:48:05 I'm missing 'art-enum.h', it's #include is located in wiz-item.cc (Ln13). Is that file needed? 00:48:13 yeah 00:48:18 it's generated 00:48:22 ah 00:50:19 shall I credit you as xFleury ? 00:50:53 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:51:05 Sure, it's my Reddit username. 00:51:23 (and thx) 00:52:12 it's an obvious fix, so thanks yourself ;-) 00:58:28 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-699-g68ae815: Don't use __attribute__ ((pure)) directly (xFleury) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68ae81519761 00:58:31 * SamB just found a cat curled up on the counter, evidently sleeping ... despite knowing that she's not allowed on the counter! 01:01:11 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:45 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:06:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:40 Acquirement gave a god-hated item by Nomi 01:09:28 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 01:10:06 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:17:00 xFleury: this is another reason why tilegen needs to work, it generates a bunch of c++ includes 01:20:35 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:38 mumra: I thought art-enum.h was from art-data.pl 01:22:28 Oh right 01:22:42 how does that get run during the build? 01:23:38 art-data.h: art-data.txt util/art-data.pl art-func.h 01:23:38 util/art-data.pl 01:25:00 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:05 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:35:15 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:53 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:14 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:36 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:08:22 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:16 -!- theboxx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:52 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:15:21 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 02:20:33 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:21:23 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:40 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:23:05 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:24 -!- icanhazfries has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:47 Phew, I've finally got Tilegen compiling without issues, but when I run it, it says it fails to find dc-unrand.txt, inaddition to some includes. Do I need to run one of these perl scrips to generate those? 02:24:51 xFleury: doesn't the Makefile explain this? 02:25:05 The util/Makefile? 02:25:20 no, the one above that 02:25:43 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:25:53 anyway, yeah, you run util/art-data.pl 02:26:02 # Build unrandart data 02:27:08 This makefile is helpful for me guessing, but I can't read it all that well. I've never really looking into makefile formats. 02:29:00 "Generating art-data.h, Generating art-enum.h, Generating dc-unrand.txt, Generating tiledef-unrand.cc" sweeeet, that wasn't hard at all :D 02:29:39 xFleury: yeah, it's kinda confusing even for me 02:29:58 in places 02:30:04 omg, tilegen just completed with 0 errors... 02:30:15 4 file(s) copied :D 02:31:20 gui.png, main.png, player.png look great, but dngn.png is 0 bytes.. :S 02:31:31 oh dear 02:33:13 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:44 dngn.png is 0 bytes here 02:37:49 i guess that's correct 02:38:30 I checked the Makefile for reference to "spl-mis.cc", no match. How do I generate that? 02:39:16 it might just not exist anymore 02:40:47 oh wow, there's alot of them; spells1.cc, spells2.cc, spells3.cc, spells4.cc, spl-mis.cc, it_use2.cc, it_use3.cc, crash-w.cc 02:41:27 shows how long it's been since this was working! 02:45:20 -!- icanhazfries has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:47:38 That's strange; "and" is part of the C++ standard, yet MSVC doesn't recognize it: 02:47:44 if (reduced and you.skill_cost_level) (ln1032 of skills.cc) 02:49:46 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:10 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:01:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:01 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:04:07 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 03:07:12 Ugh, one last missing source file issue; "tiledef-floor.h", "tiledef-wall.h", and "tiledef-feat.h". 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Use !messages to read them. 03:48:15 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:31 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:49:12 edlothiol: Perhaps the post-build events is out-of-date? It's not using a wildstar; it's giving it "dc-main.txt, dc-dngn.txt, dc-player.txt, dc-gui.txt". 03:49:46 edlothiol: There are ALOT more .txt files in /rltiles than those 4. 03:50:36 yes, it should be main dngn floor wall feat player gui icons 03:50:44 xFleury: which file are those referenced in? it builds correctly on other platforms 03:50:53 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:51:06 yah, just realized I could likely get a list of the .txt files needed from the GCC makefile. 03:51:09 Peaking into it now. 03:51:55 as I said, main dngn floor wall feat player gui icons, the rest are just includes 03:52:12 oh, you know hte exact ones? k, I'll just go with those 03:52:20 sorry didn't realize you had listed htem for me 03:52:48 (rltiles/Makefile line 74) 04:00:21 -!- JamezQ` has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02:26 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:03:06 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:04:31 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:11:55 -!- Laany_ is now known as Laany 04:13:38 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:46 lol, MSVC does *not* want to cooperate; maps.cc(45): fatal error C1060: compiler is out of heap space 04:15:25 /Zm no longer affects MSVC compiler, so I can't raise heap space. 04:20:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:20:53 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 04:30:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31:40 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:35:55 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:38:24 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:00 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:44:44 horray! shoving some of the includes from maps.cc into the precompiled header resolved the heap issue 04:44:58 compile MSVC.... compile like you've never compiled before!!! 05:01:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:06 -!- phosphorescence has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08:37 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:09:05 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 05:09:22 -!- AndChat|12144 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:42 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:49 Buff Inner Flame, it's bad 05:18:06 You have to be faster than your target, it has to pass an MR check and probably two if you don't want it to run at you 05:18:13 Oh, it also has to be next to something else 05:18:20 Make it Level 2 05:18:31 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:21:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:32:46 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:46 error C2039: '{ctor}' : is not a member of 'attack' source\melee_attack.cc line=102 project=crawl, eh? 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The game compiles and runs on Visual Studio 2012 Express. 07:10:07 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16:44 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:16:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 07:16:44 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:18:21 Morning 07:18:21 Cryp71c: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:18:23 !messages 07:18:24 (1/2) |amethyst said (2d 13h 12m 2s ago): if you're still looking for a team, # TEAMCAPTAIN neil though there is some question of whether you're too good a player to be on the team :) 07:18:29 !messages 07:18:29 (1/1) |amethyst said (2d 12h 52m 33s ago): ah, elliptic tells me you found a team, no worries 07:22:04 mumra: edlothiol: http://i.imgur.com/jlC7pJm.png 07:22:06 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:24 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:25:59 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:55 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 07:35:49 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:41:24 -!- notmadreisz has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:29 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:34 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:36 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:42:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:10 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:42:44 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:43:08 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 07:44:30 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:07 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:12 -!- Wensley_ is now known as Wensley 07:48:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:50:07 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:39 -!- gluop has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:40 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- fungee has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- santiago has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- scummos has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- BrightCl1ud has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- squimmy_ has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- humeral has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- galehar_ has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- ivan``_ has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- lainiw has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- theboxx has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- crate has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:56 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 07:50:57 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 07:51:11 -!- Boxx is now known as theboxx 07:51:12 -!- scummos_ is now known as scummos 07:51:12 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 07:51:16 -!- AntiPlaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:55:45 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- Lexodia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:02:06 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:06:13 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:16:36 -!- radinms_ has quit [] 08:19:45 -!- pantaril_ is now known as pantaril 08:20:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 08:23:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:23:34 xFleury: do your patches completely replace the build system, etc? 08:23:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:24:10 xFleury: someone else did a MSVC port a few years ago, but breaking everything else in the process 08:24:10 I'm looking into submitting some patches. 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spoke to soon 10:55:56 that's the point of msys 10:56:08 no 'make' no 'pkg-config' 10:56:33 but it's got gcc :D 10:56:42 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:52 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:29 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:01:55 i vaugely remember finding some kind of contradiction in the default make and the asserts but it has been a while 11:02:53 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 11:03:35 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:02 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:31 -!- fungee^ is now known as fungee 11:05:57 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-702-gef07b70: Make MSVC happier (xFleury) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef07b701be13 11:06:14 brb updating things 11:06:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:06:37 thx kilobyte 11:08:37 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:09:02 -!- antlions has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:45 -!- ontoclasm has 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Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 15:31:02 mumra: likely so 15:31:18 Well, it's true that I didn't realize it meant anything for a nice while, though it's clear enough once I learned that it did 15:31:20 I was thinking of stairs you haven't seen from the floor above/below. 15:31:28 But all that would take to improve is an icon that looked more relevant, probably 15:31:32 But clouds are cool so whichever is alright. 15:32:08 also I notice that tiles doesn't have the little bar with stuff like <<<>>>___[shop][portal] 15:32:20 DracoOmega: the icon is probably the oldest one now that hasn't been redrawn at some point, and it's just a really plain asterisk, all the normal status icons and so on are just a bit better designed than that now 15:32:33 -!- pythonsnake1 is now known as pythonsnake 15:32:54 Bloax: we should probably get a final word from ontoclasm on this :P 15:33:16 mumra: not word, picture 15:33:25 hehe 15:33:36 fr ontoclasm communicates only in pictures 15:34:01 no I meant he should draw a new icon 15:38:15 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/UnknownStairDown2.png 15:38:21 Seems a bit bright. 15:38:35 wait shit 15:38:41 so, i know it's not a real fix, but i just commented out the assert, and it worked 15:38:51 there 15:39:17 LexAckson: I'm pretty sure that's not safe ... 15:39:22 yeah me too 15:39:33 lol 15:40:35 Bloax: the cloud still obscures the stair too much, it's hard to really tell that's a staircase under there; if i saw that i'd assume it was a new monster or a portal vault or something basically 15:40:39 actually that shouldn't even be an ASSERT since we REALLY need that to be true even if asserts are disabled 15:41:09 mmh 15:43:18 -!- Wahaha is now known as Wahaha_ 15:44:13 xFleury_____: re those submodules -- each submodule IS a separate git repo, they're just chained into the main folder structure 15:44:34 so yeah they each need a separate patch, and then the main repo needs a patch to tell it which revision of each submodule to use... 15:44:36 LexAckson: how the heck did you end up with sqlite (3.7.6.2-24-gac8f13c) 15:44:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:55 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:16 umm 15:45:23 I've got 15:45:48 61f3f02f2cc35d9a89303f6765c7bf9331345165 crawl-ref/source/contrib/sqlite (3.6.23.1-24-g61f3f02) 15:46:05 even after pulling the latest then doing that submodule dance 15:46:13 git submodule dance 15:47:27 lol 15:47:36 i am not sure 15:47:43 * SamB_ checks the Crawl docs to see if that was the right dance ... 15:48:00 i didn't do anything out of the ordinary i'm pretty sure 15:48:32 LexAckson: how did you install msysgit? 15:49:08 mumra: what does that have to do with the versions in his "git submodule status" 15:49:16 the netinstaller 15:49:23 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/UnknownStairDown3.png 15:49:26 seems more of the same 15:50:11 https://code.google.com/p/msysgit/downloads/detail?name=msysGit-netinstall-1.8.1.2-preview20130201.exe 15:50:41 i'm deleting the repo and starting over 15:50:48 maybe i did do something strange 15:51:01 alright guys what do you want for dcss 0.01 15:51:36 elephantaurs 15:51:40 is that the next version? 15:51:44 Hydrataurs. 15:52:24 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:58 I thought 0.13.0 was the next version 15:53:06 mumra: yah, realizing that I just said screw it, I'll copy my work over to an SVN 15:53:21 https://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-msvc 15:53:30 gonna try and seperate each step as a seperate commit 15:53:42 !tell xFleury I'd really like to have a go at compiling with MSVC here; how many submodule changes were there? If you just send me changed files I can push the commits from my end 15:53:44 only about a fifth of the way through, I hope I remember everything I did last night 15:53:45 mumra: OK, I'll let xfleury know. 15:53:46 oh 15:53:47 you mean that version management system with readable revisions? 15:53:48 haha 15:54:47 xFleury_____: how many submodules needed changes? (unfortunately you'd have to fork each submodule separately if you wanted to push them somewhere public) 15:54:53 Bloax: is that it's one feature? 15:54:59 all of them needed to be changed 15:55:14 iunno probably 15:55:44 sometime tomorrow, I should have this crawl-msvc fork done, and it'll show exactly what you need to change to get it working 15:55:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:55:50 xFleury_____: ouch. thanks for doing this by the way! it's been on my wishlist for quite a while 15:55:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:56:20 And the version number seems more readable as r3503 than the first 16 ciphers of a SHA-1 checksum. 15:56:20 xFleury_____: awesome, looking forward to it! 15:56:53 we really need something in docs/develop/git/quickstart.txt about what to do to *update* the submodule checkouts ... 15:58:05 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:13 is it not just "git submodule update"? 15:58:46 ... or added a new one ... 15:59:40 Bloax: I used SVN for a long long time but after using Git/Mercurial for a couple of years now i couldn't go back. Branching is the real dealbreaker, it's so messy in SVN. 16:00:00 Hehe. 16:00:08 But of course DVCS has so many other advantages 16:00:19 I've never really used SVN. 16:00:23 Truth to be told. 16:00:32 (Casually is not "really" used.) 16:01:00 like, commit first, get permission later 16:01:29 SamB_: yeah exactly. how on earth did Crawl development work in SVN?? 16:01:49 I wasn't around in those days 16:01:59 SVN works quite nice for a stable thing. 16:02:05 possibly there was a lot of "svn diff" 16:02:05 That doesn't branch out from left to right. 16:03:05 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:03:24 ... that's only worked on by one person and doesn't encourage people to make forks of it ... 16:03:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04:47 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:04:57 hey, it works now 16:05:22 thanks, i still don't know how i got the newer version 16:06:17 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Changing host] 16:11:37 DrPraetor the Conjurer (L13 DDCj) (Lair:6) 16:12:03 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:12:11 -!- tswett is now known as [-{|\_}-] 16:12:34 quackv2 the Grasshopper (L2 NaWr) (D:1) 16:14:57 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:08 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 16:17:05 !lm quackv2 crash -log 16:17:06 8. quackv2, XL2 NaWr, T:471 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/quackv2/crash-quackv2-20130513-211233.txt 16:19:03 |amethyst, rax: CAO is apparently having problems 16:19:24 -!- [-{|\_}-] is now known as tswett 16:20:07 or at least, 90% of the games are idle for 12 minutes currently... though I am able to log in and start a game without trouble 16:20:43 I wonder if webtiles melted it 16:21:05 since I can get in via terminal but not via webtiles 16:21:23 hm, yes 16:21:42 game crashed and will not release the save by Tenaya 16:21:49 ah yes 16:22:06 my guess is it is the same mysterious thing that |amethyst mentioned happened a couple of times in the last couple of weeks on CSZO 16:22:19 with webtiles getting stuck somehow 16:22:34 hmm 16:22:35 something about a too-big message? 16:22:40 !lm tenaya x=tiles 16:22:41 23035. [2013-05-13 21:05:51] [tiles=false] Tenaya the Impaler (L16 MiFi) reached level 14 of the Dungeon on turn 36280. (D:14) 16:22:47 I wonder if it is that patch 16:23:02 tenaya isn't a tiles player, but his game might still be stuck because of stuff I guess 16:23:14 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:20 * geekosaur has a stuck console game on cao trunk also 16:23:22 I guess I can't get into my actual game but at least I can get into cao 16:23:32 whereas the webtiles front just won't load 16:23:46 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24:32 eep 16:24:36 ghosts 16:24:59 Did you know that animal intelligence monsters will sometimes avoid grey smoke clouds as though they were damaging clouds? 16:25:03 But only GREY smoke 16:25:08 elliptic, mumra: doesn't the travel cache already store a graph of reachability between every part of stairs, respecting unexploredness, impassability and so on? 16:25:42 kilobyte: yeah, that's what I thought too ... 16:25:43 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:00 DracoOmega: good ??trivia 16:26:35 There's even an explicit comment about this 16:26:46 // This isn't harmful, but dumb critters might think so. 16:26:46 and really, all you need is for the stair to be reachable at all, not necessarily from the component you're in 16:26:57 Apparently dumb critters know that blue smoke is harmless, though 16:27:34 seems like a good thing to add to ??trivia and then remove from crawl and remove from ??trivia 16:27:45 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:47 kilobyte: right, if we already have the infrastructure to check this properly then that's cool 16:29:15 MarvinPA: But trivia is fun for 'did you know this used to be true?' kind of stuff 16:29:25 But it does seem sensible to remove it, though 16:29:40 i thought a lot of the "used to be true" stuff got removed 16:29:41 but yeah :P 16:30:06 special-casing just one type of cloud seems bad, shouldn't it apply to all clouds? 16:30:23 Well, there are per-cloud-type checks for whether a monster things it is safe to enter 16:30:41 For some reason grey smoke gets this one (other clouds that do nothing are always considered safe) 16:31:04 Well, tornado clouds are considered harmful and also do nothing, but that's different 16:31:58 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 16:32:05 DracoOmega: did you know that in real tornados the harmful region is much larger than the funnel cloud? 16:32:15 Yes 16:32:35 I'd make that clause "default" 16:32:56 kilobyte: so do you want to do the stairs thing 16:32:58 Is there any point in making dumb monsters with very low hp sometimes randomly not step into harmless clouds? 16:33:15 Considering for the most part, dumb monsters are LESS likely to watch out for their own health 16:33:53 I mean, they don't even care that you are pummeling them with crossbow bolts, but refuse to step into the aftereffects of someone's blink? 16:34:18 yeah that seems not particularly worthwhile 16:34:48 grey smoke = fire = bad! 16:34:57 Yes, I assume that was the logic 16:35:14 Somehow it also applies to zombies, though 16:35:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:35:47 zombies avoid fire smoke 16:35:49 but not fire 16:35:53 zombie is smart 16:36:40 Actually... I don't recall any zombies avoiding fire, but the hp check is still there for them 16:36:54 Which makes me think that mindless stuff just bypasses this function entirely 16:38:04 On a different note, how do people feel about making spectral things normal speed instead of zombie speed? Ghostlies aren't particularly slow in general (in fact, I think only freezing wraiths are less than normal speed?) and I don't think death channel would be hurt by being effectively buffing the stuff it produces in comparison. 16:38:05 I am pretty sure I've killed hard zombies by means of trog burn spellbooks, and once or twice on low levels by letting them walk into random flame clouds (e.g. the vehumet vault) 16:38:13 (And Yred enslaved souls are already normal speed anyway) 16:39:11 Zombies are dumbstupid and walk through fire whenever in 0.12 though. 16:40:30 i suppose that would make tomb slightly more dangerous, but not really 16:41:50 dchan is not so good compared to the other zombify things you could be doing, so buffing it is probably good.. 16:45:19 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:45:37 -!- muse has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:46:30 -!- Frogz has quit [] 16:48:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:53 DracoOmega: faster spectrals sounds good to me 16:49:49 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:50:19 -!- Dixlet_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 16:51:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:52 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 16:55:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:12 -!- C7ty has quit [] 16:59:22 Hisar the Frost Mage (L9 DsIE) (D:7) 17:00:21 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:24 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:39 -!- xnavy has quit [Killed (pratchett.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 17:03:39 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 17:04:54 -!- sym` has quit [] 17:06:16 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:17 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:06:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:06:19 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 17:06:37 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:07:29 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:02 You have 93993444 lollipops! 17:08:05 multiplied 17:08:27 level 17 sword 17:08:52 and 21 candy/sec 17:08:52 heh 17:08:57 wrong channel 17:09:22 oh yes 17:09:25 always 17:09:38 (Why did it switch to this.) 17:10:23 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:11:30 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:11:52 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 17:12:28 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:55 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:12 -!- cbus has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:15:38 -!- Windows has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:16:24 lainiw: although note, the good thing about death channel is it stacks with other necro summons ... 17:17:05 true, i had forgotten 17:21:14 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 17:21:26 Now I have jew amulet. 17:21:34 Time to see how many candy/sec i can get 17:21:40 with gorillions of lollies 17:21:55 You seem to be doing it again 17:22:18 165 17:22:24 savescumming my friend 17:22:53 this doesn't sound like crawl 17:22:56 god fucking 17:22:58 DAMN IT 17:23:03 unless someone implemented that new candy world branch 17:23:16 well yeah pardon me 17:23:20 this is getting DANGEROUS 17:23:24 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 17:23:35 maybe leave -dev oh good 17:23:37 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:00 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:33 DracoOmega: did you already remove the grey smoke thing locally btw? if not i can push it 17:29:41 I hadn't, no 17:29:44 So go ahead 17:29:47 righto 17:32:57 -!- Overlord is now known as TheOverlord 17:37:46 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-704-g380fd4b: Un-redefine some trees 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=380fd4b2b81c 17:37:46 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-705-g9ac0c45: Don't make unintelligent monsters sometimes avoid grey smoke 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ac0c459f4cf 17:38:54 -!- Infinite_Monkeys is now known as Sleeping_Monkeys 17:46:28 was taking a nap will look at CAO 17:46:29 rax: You have 18 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:47:44 rax: maybe or not related, his game isn't stuck just not in the list - https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7991 17:48:14 yeah email from Tenaya is what alerted me :P 17:48:26 Tenaya the Impaler (L16 MiFi) (D:14) 17:48:32 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:23 Well, despite that it ended up still being a hack&slash approach, it's cleaner than what I had earlier. 17:50:41 https://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-msvc has a zip of an Visual Studio 2012 Express project files. 17:50:51 (all depends included, except for perl environment) 17:52:00 in VS2012 project files are at least _supposed_ to be compatible between express and full VS so hopefully we won't need 2 versions 17:52:18 they weren't before? 17:53:09 they could be automatically converted but obviously this can be a bit of a mess when you have a repository used by people with both versions 17:53:50 and the Express version didn't support many features of the .sln files such as solution folders which was particularly annoying on a fairly large project i was working on 17:58:51 So now I can finally get to work on making my own version where the AI doesn't cheat.. 17:58:51 -!- ddee has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:02 Cheating how? Because it certainly doesn't cheat in a bunch of ways that would be helpful to it 18:00:03 xFleury_____: haha 18:00:07 you realize that having the AI not cheat would require a vast amount of memory? 18:00:16 xFleury_____: you realise you could have just compiled in msysgit without all this hassle right? 18:00:51 hrm I cannot seem to get webtiles to work ni a browser on cao 18:00:55 well, I still need to work with the code, compiling in a command-line doesn't help much for debugging 18:00:57 xFleury_____: of course having MSVC working is good for all kinds of other reasons 18:01:40 xFleury_____: no; i've been using VS2012 just to edit files, then compiling from msysgit; when things don't work my debugging is just writing a ton of printf statements everywhere 18:01:51 of course a lot of my coding is Lua so that's the best option there anyway 18:02:10 but debugging will be massively useful for C++ 18:02:41 apparently it's possible to debug with other tools on windows already, but the MS debugger is really really nice and also i'm used to it 18:02:58 well I can't get webtiles to work but Iv'e confirmed that it's working for Tenaya so I guess that's good 18:03:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:03:59 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:04:02 hmm, does this all stem back to Medar's patch? 18:04:42 rax: lainiw was also having trouble in console, others too I think 18:05:43 er, lainiw was playing as DEFINITELYNOTLAINIW 18:06:17 DEFINITELYNOTLAINIW the Metallomancer (L25 FeEE) (Crypt:5) 18:06:29 do you know who else was having issues 18:06:36 even MORE trouble 18:06:46 or is that just a kill -something 18:06:57 kill -DUDES 18:07:16 oh, I didn't know about SIGDUDES 18:07:19 npnth the Magician (L1 OpWz) (D) 18:07:39 v38m2y69t the Conjurer (L14 DEVM) (Orc:4) 18:07:43 kraphead the Warrior (L21 TrNe) (D:24) 18:07:48 edwinsage the Poker (L7 DDAr) (D:5) 18:07:50 o_O??? 18:07:52 Ao the Aerator (L18 HESu) (D:19) 18:07:57 I think you broke something. 18:08:06 DGMavn the Severer (L10 MiFi) (Orc:1) 18:08:15 caracal the Stickfighter (L12 MiGl) (Lair:6) 18:08:15 Duph the Chopper (L3 HOBe) (D:1) 18:08:18 EriktheRed the Cudgeler (L3 DsAK) (D:2) 18:08:21 Terrin the Chopper (L3 HOGl) (D:3) 18:08:26 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:08:30 !lm * crash -log 18:08:30 4772. Duph, XL3 HOBe, T:1070 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Duph/crash-Duph-20130513-230815.txt 18:08:45 just all the stuck stuff on cao coming unstuck, I believe 18:08:51 yup 18:08:54 manually unstuck it all 18:08:57 not sure what caused it 18:09:18 we REALLY need to make it show the SIG in those ... 18:09:43 going to crawl.akrasiac.org:8080 doesn't work for me at all 18:09:47 that is how you're supposed to webtiles right? 18:09:58 try restarting the webtiles server? 18:10:13 rax: right 18:10:17 |amethyst: how do you restart the webtiles server 18:10:40 other people appear to be playing webtiles just fine 18:11:56 so how did the socket come unstuck 18:12:31 I HUPed all the processes 18:13:05 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 18:16:39 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130512030908]] 18:17:27 SamB_: clearly it had rSticky 18:18:03 complete tangent: does anyone disagree that reading ?blink on a -cTele floor should prompt? 18:19:16 whatever the problem with webtiles is, restarting apache2 didn't fix it 18:19:40 I think we might need |amethyst here although I will poke around for documentation 18:19:49 mumra: A prompt mightn't hurt, I guess? 18:20:05 It would be a nice warning for new players, too, that the scroll won't work as expected 18:20:19 Since generally you don't use them until you're in serious danger, so it's kind of bad for them to fail 18:20:43 DracoOmega: i reckon; if you're in a branch end then hopefully you have a better escape tactic than a random blink 18:20:48 Before -cTele floors actually gave you a status light, I screwed that up myself once or twice 18:20:53 By forgetting about it 18:20:56 probably if you read a ?blink it's because you've forgotten about -cTele 18:20:59 DracoOmega: me too 18:21:06 even with the light, it's still easy to forget 18:21:09 rax: is there not a python program that's supposed to be listening on :8080 ? 18:21:16 and especially with branches getting changed and shortened and stuff 18:21:19 Yeah, a prompt seems fine to me, since it's rare that you'd actually WANT to do that 18:21:38 rax: I suspect that it is in fact doing so, but is stuck for some reason ... 18:21:45 (memorably this happened to me in Elf:3 after the shortening, before I'd hit the rune vault, so i didn't realise i was ON Elf:3) 18:22:26 DracoOmega: yeah, wasting a cblink for an rblink doesn't ever seem like a good idea unless it's a total desperation move 18:22:39 Mostly, I suspect 18:23:01 Webtiles server restarted. 18:23:18 rax: I think you found the right thingy 18:23:23 yes but it's still not working 18:24:32 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 18:24:43 DracoOmega: the only thing I wonder is if since the cTele nerf we shouldn't be a bit more generous with the behaviour of ?blink here, since it's now an even more valuable scroll 18:25:03 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 18:25:12 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 18:25:57 I don't really think the cTele nerf affects this much? 18:26:02 and it seems weird how cblink spell and cblink scroll behave exactly the same except for how they degrade in -cTele 18:26:24 ??cblink 18:26:25 controlled blink[1/5]: Level 7 Translocation spell that works like a {blink} scroll and gives {contam}. However, unlike the blink scroll, it acts like a semicontrolled blink on levels with no teleport control. 18:26:39 mumra: that IS odd 18:26:44 ??blink 18:26:44 blink[1/6]: Magic that translocates you to somewhere visible, not deep water or lava, and not blocked by translucent wall. Statues are fine. Random blink tries for 3 to 6 steps away, then tries closer. You won't go farther than 6. Semi-controlled tries random blink from 2 to 7 steps in the direction you chose. Controlled lets you choose where to land. 18:29:30 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:50 DracoOmega: the nerf doesn't directly affect this, but i think it makes ?blink *slightly* more valuable since e.g. blink + ctele is slightly less reliable 18:30:41 and ?blink was already probably the best scroll 18:31:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:33:04 well, blink + cTele and ?blink are usually used completely differently 18:33:05 -!- Sealer has quit [] 18:33:17 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33:26 blink + cTele is used as a sort of super-swiftness, whereas ?blink is a "get me out of sight of this monster now" card 18:35:30 blink + cTele could still get you out of sight in 2 or 3 turns which is pretty good 18:36:08 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:10 whereas now that's more like 4-6 turns and requires evo 18:36:25 Does anyone here know how the webtiles server stuff works and what "The Websocket connection was closed." suggests? Because I am finding nothing 18:37:31 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:38:02 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Client Quit] 18:39:23 sometimes saying edlothiol's name makes him magically appear 18:40:07 Medar might also know? 18:40:09 worth a shot :) 18:40:43 rax: iirc that was some kind of magical all purpose error thingy that happened a lot but was fixed 18:40:54 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:40:57 but i really know nothing 18:41:00 well it appears to be unfixed. :P 18:41:16 it's the same message you see when you just e.g. refresh the browser window 18:41:18 Don't think it tells much. 18:41:25 no 18:41:25 I think it can probably happen if crawl dies unexpectedly? 18:41:26 Ahhhh that's unhelpful. 18:41:31 No wonder I couldn't figure out what to do with it 18:41:33 "magical all purpose error thingy" 18:41:37 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Client Quit] 18:41:44 Means the connection was closed, without receiving any closing message from the server 18:42:19 there was one specific thing that caused this error a lot that was fixed, but its still a magical all purpose error thingy 18:42:37 The webtiles server console might be more helpful 18:42:41 * Medar hasn't read the backlog 18:43:38 what is that? 18:44:38 it's a web socket and not any sort of sql socket right? 18:45:00 I have no idea. I first looked at webtiles code today. ^^;; 18:45:00 * SamB_ wonders if xFleury_____ has enough underscores yet 18:45:03 rax: Server side, just the stdout output 18:45:03 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 18:45:24 Or wherever it goes in that setup, hopefully some file 18:45:25 Medar: do you know where I could find that? I looked at some stuff in logs and ti was unhelpdul 18:45:50 Sorry, nope 18:45:59 /chroot/crawl-master/webserver/run/ has logfiles 18:46:00 -!- xFleury_____ is now known as xFleury 18:46:24 But I just get things like this: 18:46:24 2013-05-13 19:45:50,043 INFO: #9597 Socket opened from ip 130.126.111.37 (fd43, compression: on). 18:46:27 2013-05-13 19:45:50,151 INFO: #9597 Socket closed. (28 bytes sent, compression ratio -3%) 18:46:37 Yeah, that's the file 18:46:43 Hmm, so it's not more helpful then :p 18:46:50 I was afraid of that :P 18:46:58 Altough, at least you can see that connection was made 18:47:24 it looks like they are basically all closing immediately though 18:47:31 with no error message thrown 18:47:47 there's a webtiles-crash.log but nothing is showing up there 18:47:54 is this trunk or stable 18:48:00 uh 18:48:08 It's the whole server, lobby, afaik 18:48:14 I think it's the service regardless of what version you want to play 18:48:18 oh 18:48:39 How did it start anyway? Things hanged and now nothing works? 18:48:46 No update I assume 18:48:51 -!- scummos_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:48:59 games were all hanging and the service was not responding 18:49:03 so I HUPed the games 18:49:08 and then restarted the service 18:49:09 have we tried just rebooting the whole thing? 18:49:11 no update I know of 18:49:19 SamB: I am not rebooting the server while there are 60+ players 18:49:26 I have tried /etc/init.d/webtiles restart 18:50:49 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 18:51:06 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 18:51:33 You made sure it properly shuts down? 18:51:55 it looked like it shut down okay 18:52:11 Webtiles server restarted. 18:52:13 Can't really think of what could cause this 18:52:17 tried another restart 18:52:25 same issue 18:53:06 Must be some problem getting/sending the list of games 18:54:50 I think I am going to give up for now 18:55:57 -!- sbanwart has quit [Client Quit] 18:57:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:00:50 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:03:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:51 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:43 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:07:49 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 19:08:18 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:08 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:09:47 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09:58 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 19:11:45 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:12:12 -!- meegan has quit [] 19:12:39 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:13 Felid crash when resurrecting at medium- to high levels. by retchdog 19:15:12 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:27 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:19:37 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:22:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:25:49 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:27:33 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:25 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:40 Ermh, same problem on CSZO now? 19:40:52 -!- sbanwart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:59 -!- santiago has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:12 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:53 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:41:53 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:05 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 19:42:42 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:52:57 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53:16 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:32 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:33 <|amethyst> hm 20:01:06 Webtiles server stopped. 20:01:08 Webtiles server stopped. 20:01:34 Webtiles server started. 20:02:11 Webtiles server stopped. 20:02:18 That fixed CSZO lobby 20:02:24 Webtiles server started. 20:02:35 CAO too, nice 20:03:06 Any idea what it was? 20:03:36 <|amethyst> when did it start? 20:04:48 Webtiles server stopped. 20:04:48 Webtiles server stopped. 20:04:57 what the heck? 20:05:02 <|amethyst> SamB: I accidentally ran the script twice :) 20:05:08 <|amethyst> Medar: looks pretty similar to the last time 20:05:12 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:19 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 20:05:24 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:24 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 20:05:24 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:15 -!- Kawatan|afk is now known as kawatan 20:06:35 |amethyst: But why didn't the lobby work, even after a restart? 20:06:53 <|amethyst> Medar: huh? 20:07:21 CAO lobby was giving Connection closed for everyone 20:07:26 <|amethyst> oh 20:07:29 Even after rax tried restarting it 20:07:38 <|amethyst> ah... /etc/init.d/webtiles restart doesn't seem to work 20:07:47 <|amethyst> it's a script I wrote, but 20:08:01 <|amethyst> webtiles doesn't seem to respond to kill -TERM which is what that script does 20:08:16 <|amethyst> I always have to kill -ABRT it afterwards :( 20:08:25 Hmh. 20:08:33 <|amethyst> It logs "2013-05-13 19:22:54,858 INFO: Received signal 15, shutting down." 20:08:45 maybe it does but blocks on a log file? or tries to open a file descriptor and the real problem is out of per-process fds? 20:08:47 <|amethyst> and then reports a bunch of broken pipes 20:09:04 er, lock file, not log file 20:09:36 * geekosaur would consider strace the webtiles server before the next SIGTERM 20:09:47 !messages 20:09:48 No messages for ontoclasm. 20:12:32 !messages 20:12:33 No messages for nicolae-. 20:12:34 aw. 20:12:44 !tell Zannick you have a message 20:12:44 Zannick: OK, I'll let zannick know. 20:12:47 !messages 20:12:48 (1/1) Zannick said (4s ago): you have a message 20:12:52 \o/ 20:16:04 !tell Zannick hi 20:16:05 Grunt: OK, I'll let zannick know. 20:16:08 !tell nicolae- hi x2 20:16:08 Grunt: OK, I'll let nicolae- know. 20:16:16 !tell Grunt sup 20:16:18 nicolae-: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:16:18 nicolae-: OK, I'll let grunt know. 20:16:22 !messages 20:16:22 !messages 20:16:23 (1/1) nicolae- said (5s ago): sup 20:16:23 (1/1) Grunt said (15s ago): hi x2 20:17:17 it's quite telling how this is what the dev channel is up to during a tournament 20:17:22 quite telling 20:17:24 * Zannick ducks 20:17:47 well i don't participate in the tournament so i'm free of any obligations to the crawl community 20:18:16 I am too busy coding things for when the tournament is over :P 20:18:47 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:01 Zannick: trying to fix webtiles is misuse? 20:24:18 -!- TheOverlord has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24:22 i think he meant abusing henzell, for hilarious purposes 20:24:26 SamB: no, sending silly messages 20:24:30 i was making a "tell" pun 20:24:39 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:25:14 !tell Henzell does this do anything 20:25:14 nicolae-: OK, I'll let henzell know. 20:25:17 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25:47 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:49 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 20:26:43 !messages 20:26:57 INFINITE LOOP DETECTED, DESTROYING SERVER 20:27:28 Sorry, fine now. Not sure what came over me. 20:27:31 BECOMING SENTIENT 20:27:37 DESTROYING HUMANKIND 20:27:53 GOING ON VACATION 20:28:10 SOLVING P VS NP 20:28:22 henzell already has a database on humans. our aptitudes, resistances, what kind of equipment we use... we have no chance 20:28:26 maybe he's not there yet 20:28:49 DESTROY ALL MOUNTAIN DWARVES 20:29:03 we did that ages ago 20:30:10 -!- Nakalein has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:31:05 -!- phosphorescence has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:37:21 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:42:11 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:47:57 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:52:58 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 20:53:45 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:55:40 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 20:57:57 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:00:45 -!- TheOverlord has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:21 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:35 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:11 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:26:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:37 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 21:35:16 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:39:06 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:39:25 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:41:41 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:41:59 -!- Chakan has quit [] 21:43:49 -!- quackv4 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:43:58 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:41 -!- quackv4 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:08 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:31 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:03 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 21:55:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:56:05 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:13:11 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:17:07 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 22:26:39 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 22:27:34 AM is a strange class 22:28:53 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:04 FR: PM 22:29:14 haha 22:29:55 AM seems to be mostly themed around Inner Flame 22:29:56 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:07 the other spells seem like they're they mainly to make that more useful 22:30:39 i know... 22:30:42 BATTLEBOW!! 22:33:04 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:10 well 22:40:20 why exaclty do brand spells not work on bows 22:40:31 because that would be something we could give em 22:40:59 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:19 Well, the old AM book HAD brand spells in it 22:41:27 that worked on bows? 22:41:46 brand spells still work on bows... 22:41:46 Well, at least poison weapon works? I thought the others did, too 22:41:49 at least some of them 22:41:57 fire brand, freezing aura, poison weapon 22:42:13 poison weapon on launchers is exceptionally good early on 22:42:21 it was basically the *only* thing that old AM did 22:42:28 Well, it had swiftness for kiting 22:42:33 that was got rid of because of overlap with crusader or skald right? 22:42:34 well then uh 22:42:47 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:02 mumra: no, because ench split and because nobody liked it 22:43:04 fr air/hex elec brand for AMs 22:43:14 half the spells were in charms, half in hexes 22:45:32 -!- gay is now known as doome 22:46:18 right now it seems to be a fairly random selection of hexes, most of which are kind of geared towards keeping distance between you and the enemy - slow, run away, mass slow 22:46:40 enslavement seems to be purely for inner flame? (at least in its relationship with ranged weapons) 22:46:57 and corona is in the enchanter book anyway 22:47:17 -!- GuraKKa1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:26 enchanters don't use corona, AM does 22:48:53 the enslavement/inner flame package is weird in AM but the other stuff seems to work decently 22:49:13 they seem to be three flavours of a similar thing though 22:49:14 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49:35 honestly the strangest thing about AM to me is that it seems like it should have Portal Projectile but it doesn't 22:49:39 you could say the same thing about a lot of books... 22:49:57 elliptic: true but gradually those books are getting improved and differentiated 22:50:00 enchanters have three stabby spells 22:50:11 fire elementalists have three blasty spells 22:50:16 not sure what the problem is 22:51:01 mumra: slow, cause fear, and leda's are really pretty different spells 22:51:23 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:51:39 they do all have one function in common, which is to let you shoot at things while not being hit so much 22:51:50 yes they all have synergy with ranged combat 22:51:52 Well, that sounds more like a good thing than a bad thing if that's part of the book's theme 22:51:55 sure 22:51:58 which is the intention of the class! 22:52:55 as evidenced by, you know, the name 22:53:11 AM don't seem to be that popular for whatever reason, but I think some of their stuff is pretty good, really 22:53:23 I haven't played one since Leda's got in 22:53:25 I think it's not popular because the synergy isn't terribly obvious 22:53:28 it's a good class really, i guess the spell selection just seems a bit scattergun 22:53:33 ranged combat isn't that popular in general, and inner flame is weird 22:53:39 why would it be called Arcane if it were popular? 22:53:48 Well, AM can use inner flame a lot better than FE can, anyway 22:53:50 and yes also that because ranged combat ammo management is :( 22:53:52 Esoteric Marksman 22:54:13 Of course, last AM I played was with Fedhas and inner flame there is... questionable 22:54:16 Even moreso than usual :P 22:54:31 hahahaha 22:54:52 I kept TRYING to make sure I wouldn't hit my mushrooms, but it kept happening anyway 22:54:53 well a lot of the gods you might want on AM have.... problems with the spells in the book 22:55:00 I was at * or ** for ages 22:55:13 like I went Oka when I won DEAM, then I forgot I was worshipping Oka and enslaved something, then accidentally shot it 22:55:23 An Okawaru classic 22:55:32 Enslavement wrath 22:56:07 (I don't actually think Oka should consider enslaved enemies allied, but so it goes) 22:56:21 Well, in at least SOME ways he doesn't 22:56:28 In that he's fine with you sending them to their deaths 22:56:35 So long as you don't do it by your own hand, for whatever reason 22:56:43 well come on friendly fire deaths are a wartime classic 22:57:00 Possibly the only real consequence of not being able to attack enslaved creatures is that you sometimes accidentally wrath yourself 22:57:06 When you forget 22:57:16 It's at least not too bad because you can just not use enslavement or inner flame and you're still fine 22:59:21 Incidentally, in that recent bug report on the topic, corona is SUPPOSED to get overwritten by invisibility, but honestly I think it makes more sense to me that corono outright prevent it while it's active. I mean, I'd thought that was kind of the point of that interaction in the first place? 23:00:11 the way those interact is very annoying 23:00:22 DracoOmega: yes, I see no reason for corona to get overwritten by invis... they should just both be active (and thus the monster should remain visible until corona ends) 23:00:29 Yeah 23:00:42 Which is, in fact, what I assumed happened 23:00:45 they end up overwriting each other if I remember 23:00:49 that makes sense 23:00:50 Until I learned that it doesn't 23:00:54 so whichever is more recent sticks 23:01:19 you know i had never considered using corona to see invisibles 23:01:46 but that seems quite useful 23:02:03 the problem is that you need to know where they are to get it to stick anyway 23:02:14 Well, oftentimes you know where there are at that moment 23:02:18 But might not later 23:02:21 usually you do 23:02:24 (Also, your accuracy is bad against invisible things) 23:02:30 So it is still handy 23:02:39 you don't actually need the exact spot either 23:02:58 I mean, it's not super-critical or anything, but it seems that if one of the supposed purposes of the spell is to illuminate things, it ought to do this well 23:03:09 Instead of just being cancelled whenever the monster decides to cast invis again 23:03:11 so you can drag them into a hallway and then using corona to reveal is pretty easy 23:03:17 yeah 23:03:58 can sticky flame reveal things? i assume not 23:04:02 sure it can 23:04:02 It can! 23:04:02 It does 23:04:07 You've never done that? 23:04:11 nope 23:04:12 That one DOESN'T get cancelled by invis, I'm pretty sure :P 23:04:14 cool 23:05:08 of course if you reveal something with sticky flame you probably will just kill it with that 23:05:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:35 i used corona a bunch on my summoner 23:07:46 since it lets summons kill invisible things 23:07:48 * Grunt cannot remember ever using Corona. 23:08:23 Summoner might be one of the few background/plans that really wants Corona at all, that doesn't start with it 23:08:23 i use it a lot because i forget it's in slot a on enchanters! 23:11:16 i use corona because its there 23:11:43 ontoclasm: hehehe 23:12:30 corona is really pretty good for AM at start 23:12:41 corona lets your arrows last 23:12:55 assuming you're a class that needs them on xl1 and 2 a lot 23:13:03 s/class/race/ 23:13:31 yes 23:13:44 the accuracy bonus is noticeable enough that it is worth a turn or two casting corona on stuff before shooting it... both for killing things better and for using less ammo 23:13:57 it especially lets them last because no-skill melee actually becomes not too bad with Corono 23:13:59 Corona* 23:14:11 right, you can also do that 23:14:50 I've used corona occasionally on unseen horrors on En or AM, but it's never seemed great for that 23:14:53 I can't say the accuracy bonus on a bow is too noticeable to me by the time you have reasonable skill with it, but I guess it's still there 23:15:57 DracoOmega: if you change invis to not cancel corona then 8523f043be4ce960 needs to be reverted (and yeah i agree it probably makes sense to change it) 23:16:31 Yeah, I did remember that commit 23:16:36 I agree that it makes sense to change it. 23:16:41 cool 23:16:56 I suppose it's not technically USELESS given that corona could still wear off first, but it seems useless enough to keep marked as such 23:21:57 Here's the origin of this behaviour, for the record: 23:22:00 %git ed15698b 23:22:00 03greensnark * red15698b38cd: Corona overrides invisibility. To check if something is *really* invisible, use foo.invisible(), not foo.has_ench(ENCH_INVIS) or foo.duration[DUR_INVIS]. 10(6 years ago, 13 files, 64+ 37-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed15698b38cd 23:24:30 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:25:12 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:13 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:28:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:28:31 -!- Guest88134 is now known as myp 23:30:12 does fulminant prism interact with ranged? i.e. can you ping it with a bolt to blow it up / is that even useful? 23:30:36 If a prism blows up prematurely, it either does nothing or does a lot less damage than normal. 23:30:38 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:49 Theoretically you could ping it from afar in the fashion you describe, though, subject to that condition. 23:33:15 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:24 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:33:32 I can't imagine that being useful, yeah 23:33:46 it already blows up really quickly 23:34:03 30 aut from casting time, IIRC? 23:34:56 I thought 20 but I haven't used it recently 23:35:17 The way I remember it is, cast -> step -> step (hear crackle) -> step (boom). 23:35:23 * Grunt goes to check. 23:36:35 I appear to be wrong; it is indeed 20 aut. 23:38:32 Maybe I'm used to having Swiftness up when using it or something :) 23:40:06 so i got another complaint about non-green adders 23:40:08 Yes, there's almost no situation where blowing it up ahead of time is useful 23:40:08 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/adder.png 23:40:15 so: is that better? 23:40:29 It looks good, sure. But people are complaining about this? 23:40:35 yep 23:41:01 well i've got a bit of an idea for splitting AM into two backgrounds with some new spells but i need to think on this a bit then write something up ;) 23:41:18 afaict it's the most widely disliked of my edits 23:41:27 Huh. Surprising. 23:41:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:43 Of course, I think real adders are a lot closer to your original color than this green here 23:41:45 ADDER, n. A species of snake. So called from its habit of adding 23:41:45 funeral outlays to the other expenses of living. 23:42:13 DracoOmega: well, most adders are greybrown with black patterns, as my edit was 23:42:17 Yeah 23:42:19 but a few species are indeed emerald green 23:42:22 Of course, I admit that I probably like the green one more, too, now that I stop to think on it >.> 23:42:35 screw realism 23:42:54 SamB: Well, I think the core point here is that snakes had been green for a very long time in tiles 23:42:58 And then suddenly they were not 23:43:19 http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0805+0339 23:44:23 if only snakes had been renamed garter snakes 23:44:38 Well, it IS kind of important that they poison :P 23:44:38 -!- ohms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:39 then i could draw one of those frilly leg things 23:44:43 and be done 23:45:11 we could add garter snakes with 0 HD 23:45:38 did anyone see http://i.imgur.com/Pivh1Zd.gif 23:46:00 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:25 the ouroboros comessss 23:49:21 ...did something break in generation 23:49:27 ? 23:49:42 because it's rebuilding crawl completely 23:49:46 for one single tile edit 23:50:00 maybe i should clean it 23:53:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:53:19 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:55:42 -!- floatboth has quit [Client Quit] 23:56:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:58:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]