00:00:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:04 -!- tw__ is now known as tw_ 00:01:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:01:23 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-697-g98e5fc2 (34) 00:07:05 -!- enticeing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:16:16 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-697-g98e5fc2 (34) 00:17:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:24:43 -!- Hosg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:28:32 -!- whig_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:50 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:56 -!- whig_ is now known as whig 00:29:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:32:46 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-697-g98e5fc2 00:40:13 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:49:11 -!- Blade- has quit [] 00:49:51 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:51 -!- C7ty1 has quit [] 00:54:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:05 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 00:58:59 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Relax, its only ONES and ZEROS!] 01:01:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 01:01:37 -!- myp has quit [Quit: ] 01:02:52 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:02:58 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:05:55 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:14:57 -!- Merlin_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:16:17 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:16:52 Grunt: my first inclination for Grotesks is to find peak damage while petrifying and then do stat damage as a function of that 01:17:37 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:23:16 -!- Borek_ is now known as Mandevil 01:27:51 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:31 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:31:25 hm. should grotesks be able to berserk while petrifying. That seems very bad 01:31:53 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:59 03bh 07[gargoyle] * 0.13-a0-637-gd9195e9: Grotesk Stat Damage and add-on effects 10(10 minutes ago, 8 files, 52+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9195e97f915 01:48:10 -!- dieno_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:59:17 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 02:02:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:02:33 -!- nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:12:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:14:52 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:47 -!- Automaton has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:29:21 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:08 -!- notmadreisz has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:03 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35:07 -!- notmadreisz is now known as lainiw 02:42:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:49:50 -!- Laany_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:42 Is it possible to distinguish between trunk version numbers and release version numbers? 02:56:33 -!- Melum___ has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 02:57:47 I'm guessing anything ending in [a-z]+[0-9] means a non-release version 02:57:55 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:46 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:00:02 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:04 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:01:30 broquaint: release versions get tags 03:02:41 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:04:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:08:48 -!- superc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:09:42 Thanks, bh, but is my reasoning correct? 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I know Ctrl-F is *f, but what is enter? 07:28:56 found it, \{13} 07:30:53 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:57 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:55 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:37:44 -!- oddsox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:45:06 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:46:13 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:46:27 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 07:51:09 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:52:26 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:54:58 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:55:01 Dirian (L27 MiFi) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 599: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (D:27) 07:58:04 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:59:24 -!- monny_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:03:06 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:03:31 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:04:19 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:52 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:12:08 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20:24 -!- Perkol has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:25:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:34:03 -!- everett has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:22 hello. how far in the game is useful dazzling spray? i'm a tengu conjurer, i got 2 runes and going for elves+vaults now 08:35:36 i think you want ##crawl for that 08:35:36 MarvinPA: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:35:52 whopppssssss sorry i jumped in the wrong chat 08:35:59 thanks ;-) 08:36:02 np :) 08:36:27 btw keep up the awesome work! 08:36:30 bye 08:36:47 -!- everett has left ##crawl-dev 08:42:42 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:52:54 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:59:35 -!- rebthor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06:12 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:31 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:07 -!- rwbarton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:15:18 Game crashes whenever this character tries to go deeper in the abyss. by Konebred 09:17:52 -!- N78291 has quit [Client Quit] 09:18:21 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:42 -!- santiago has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:55 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:50 fr: replace scroll of random uselessness with scroll of butterflies 09:23:24 They would still be mostly useless but they would have some value. 09:25:58 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:26:41 -!- everett has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130417085616]] 09:37:29 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:52 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38:00 -!- Windows has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 09:39:16 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41:03 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 09:41:12 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:43 is it a bug if beastly appendage makes horns while I'm wearing a hat? 09:42:18 no 09:42:24 horns 2 is compatible with a hat 09:42:43 unless it made horns 3, but it is only supposed to make horns 2 last I checked 09:42:54 oh, thought it made 3. guess I'll amnesia it. It is 2. 09:43:12 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:44:00 hm 09:44:31 It could scale with spellpower. 09:44:54 :v 09:45:28 And auxillaries really are pretty worthless with it if you're an actual transmuter. 09:45:48 Because claws are so good that scumming them to last forever is actually not a bad idea. 09:45:48 Bloax: well it is supposed to be balanced against the other possibilities 09:45:54 it doesn't give claws... 09:46:00 dhela (L17 HOBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed. (D:16) 09:46:10 Must be a 0.11 thing then. 09:46:12 yes 09:46:31 giving claws was a bug, it was never supposed to give anything other than an aux 09:46:47 it was gud bug :( 09:46:55 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:16 dhela (L17 HOBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed. (D:16) 09:47:30 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:51:49 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:22 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:55:43 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:57:06 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:58:38 Napkin: "Where" info is missing for almost all games on CDO when spectating 10:02:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:55 i started the inofiyd again.. but there is something off, that it stops 10:03:05 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:06:06 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:15:22 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:17:29 -!- y2s82_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:43 does bestly appendage really need all the weird slot interactions? could it not just grow basically a third arm or a tentacle to whack things with? 10:19:38 mumra: that might be better, yeah, though really the slot interactions aren't usually an issue since it's hard to imagine people using the spell after early game anyway... 10:19:54 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:26 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:54 that's it, they don't really affect much, but they're non-obvious to figure out (e.g. which version of horns lets you wear a hat?), and it's hard to balance different slots to discourage scumming (claws) 10:21:50 -!- Wah has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:21:53 -!- Wahh is now known as Wah 10:22:39 The annoying part is that it cancels out other transmutations. 10:22:51 And thus the choice is between a weak auxillary or actually something useful. 10:22:55 Bloax: well that is intended that it doesn't stack with other transmutations 10:23:01 otherwise it would be free damage forever 10:23:20 Well currently it's first spell to go forever. 10:23:30 Though who cares. 10:24:45 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- Froggeryz has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- Zaba has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- scummos^ has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- Rjs has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- orionstein has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- Flex has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- SamB has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- _sk has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:46 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:47 -!- Comradin has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:47 -!- Porost has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:47 -!- Dalvant has quit [*.net *.split] 10:24:47 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 10:25:02 -!- pythonsnake1 is now known as pythonsnake 10:25:51 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:08 -!- broquain1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:11 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 10:28:58 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:47 -!- ibanix has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:29:47 -!- tw_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:29:47 -!- Laany has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:29:48 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:29:49 -!- Moredread has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:29:49 -!- broquaint has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:30:30 -!- HellTiger has quit [Excess Flood] 10:31:17 -!- Adeon_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:37 -!- rwbarton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 670 seconds] 10:31:43 -!- tureba has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:16 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 10:43:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:45:53 -!- superc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:46:06 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:58 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:53:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:16 hai 10:53:29 ??tournament 10:53:30 tournament[1/3]: The 0.12 tournament is May 11-27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/ Leaderboard: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/overview.html For team-less players, see {LFG} 10:54:38 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:39 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:56:04 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:56:12 -!- Fosius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:22 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:46 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:36 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:02:19 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:04:33 Say guys. 11:04:41 Does flight give a stealth bonus at this point? 11:04:52 Or has the NoFunAllowed squad been there too. 11:05:51 it gives the same very small stealth bonus it always did 11:06:07 not sure exactly what is "fun" about 10 stealth but YMMV 11:07:54 hi bh, ready to play for the glory of baddev? 11:08:01 mumra: I'm on it 11:08:11 DrFE, praying that I'm not Ice 11:08:15 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:08:59 hehe 11:09:27 I made a 'kill dudes' macro: za. 11:10:51 "kill dudes extreme": za`` 11:11:27 um. does that shoot yourself? 11:12:04 Probably. 11:12:29 Nobody said living the extreme life comes without consequences! 11:12:40 -!- Spectrina has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 11:14:12 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:58 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:22 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:07 hey, suggestion for the clan pages for the tournament 11:25:32 it would be really ncie if it showed what game(s) the members are playing 11:25:56 much like the section which shows recent deaths/wins 11:26:32 oh, never mind, its there 11:26:36 ignore me 11:26:53 it should probably be in table form 11:27:24 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:05 `dwarf mountain bat` -- someone has a sense of humor 11:33:15 red wasp (05y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 2304(paralyse) | fly | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 544 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 11:33:15 %??red wasp 11:33:19 <|amethyst> the abyss deepening code in tags.cc: if (th.getMinorVersion() < TAG_MINOR_DEEP_ABYSS && th.getMinorVersion() != TAG_MINOR_0_11) 11:33:32 <|amethyst> why the second part? 11:34:11 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:17 -!- BrightCl1ud is now known as BrightCloud 11:37:16 |amethyst: git blame? 11:37:29 was that me? 11:37:41 <|amethyst> It's from kilobyte's 0.11-to-0.12 save compat stuff 11:37:42 There was a variable that I added to the abyss state which I removed and re-added. Mistakes were made 11:38:11 <|amethyst> %git 35673f84 11:38:12 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-1828-g35673f8: Restore save compatibility with 0.11 final. 10(5 months ago, 9 files, 242+ 26-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=35673f843b19 11:38:23 |amethyst: I just had an awesome vault kill! There were some gnolls and shallow water. I dropped a flame cloud next to the water and the steam killed all the mobs 11:39:02 baddev -> awesomedev? 11:39:07 <|amethyst> :) 11:39:24 <|amethyst> I should try playing a real game where I get past XL 9 11:40:20 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte re bug 7039, I'm not sure why the abyss deepening code in tags.cc has " && th.getMinorVersion() != TAG_MINOR_0_11" 11:40:21 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 11:40:38 |amethyst: I think it's the way it is for the reason I stated 11:41:04 <|amethyst> bh: but it seems like it means saves carried over from 0.11 will have only a one-level abyss 11:41:45 I didn't realize we were preserving compat across major versions 11:42:15 <|amethyst> we don't usually, but the compat break during 0.12 dev was minor enough that it could be worked around 11:42:30 <|amethyst> "major" here meaning 33 vs 34, not 0.11 vs 0.12 11:43:51 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Download IceChat at www.icechat.net] 11:44:14 -!- Medra is now known as Medar 11:44:36 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:44:40 When do we version bump? 11:45:19 <|amethyst> when save compatibility is too painful to do 11:46:02 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:47:43 -!- _oiseaux has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:44 * Medar is back 11:47:58 Is this WebTiles server hang thing still an issue? 11:48:37 <|amethyst> Medar: it hasn't happened again, but that may be luck 11:48:58 <|amethyst> Medar: let me find you a log file 11:49:35 Ok, good. I'll try to investigate it later then. 11:49:51 My teammates have been slacking, so I guess I'll have to get our first win. 11:54:11 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:55:34 -!- Aryth12 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:58:12 <|amethyst> Medar: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/webtiles.log let me know when you have it so I can delete it 11:58:23 how come barding gives permanent flight until deactivated 11:58:43 but the other sources are temporary? 11:58:48 rast: boots are permanent too 11:58:52 barding is essentially boots 11:59:00 ah, ok 11:59:10 so why the boots vs other sources difference? 11:59:12 I think it is mainly flavour... I wouldn't mind making the ring give permaflight too, though 11:59:27 Z - the +3 cloak of Flash (worn) {+Fly EV+4} this also temporary.... 11:59:58 rast: well, it makes some sense that an item "of flight" would be different 12:00:05 |amethyst: Ok, got it. 12:00:48 rast: mainly I think we just don't want to be too generous giving out permaflight everywhere, because tengu would become less special 12:01:04 <|amethyst> Medar: it started with a bunch of "frozen for 0.5 sec" problems which could have been heavy disk I/O... but then it eventually stopped working at all 12:01:05 so giving it on every artefact with +Fly doesn't seem great to me 12:01:07 <|amethyst> Medar: thanks 12:01:20 I've never played a tengu... is that the only thing that makes them special? 12:01:36 giving permaflight for items that are dedicated to the purpose, though, like the boots or barding, seems a bit better 12:02:00 rast: well, it's one of the more prominent things... they also get special bonuses when flying that other races do not 12:05:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-697-g98e5fc2 (34) 12:08:03 alternatively we could make +Fly give permaflight and make it much rarer on artefacts I guess 12:15:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:17:19 -!- rwbarton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:17:40 -!- Laany_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:22:12 sure, it's not like ring of flight is all that appealing anyway 12:25:58 -!- Napkin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:58 -!- Fleurka has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:25:58 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:26:25 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:26:25 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:46 -!- Fleurka has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:11 -!- Eifeltrampel has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:09 -!- oddsdox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28:15 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 12:28:18 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:48 mumra, |amethyst: should I do labyrinth? 12:30:40 %dump bh 12:30:40 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/bh/bh.txt 12:32:09 You should do a labyrinth. 12:32:54 Even if things go far, far south you can still try and see if you can repeatedly apply stickly flame and avoid getting hit. 12:33:08 sticky flame*, thanks 12:33:08 ??+12 whip 12:33:09 12 whip[1/1]: bh the Thaumaturge (L10 DEWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, mangled by a minotaur (the +12,+6 whip of Success {drain}) in Lab, with 6608 points 12:33:22 bh: nice chaos collection 12:33:39 rchandra: I should have abandoned them in Temple 12:33:47 wait 12:33:51 are you in the labyrinth yet 12:33:55 yes. 12:34:34 Dropping some stuff would've probably been a good idea. 12:34:37 But whatevs. 12:34:40 I did. 12:34:56 gr8 12:34:58 go4it 12:36:39 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:38:03 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:38:19 a +4 rod of inaccuracy -- oh boy 12:39:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:34 suddenly minotaur gets hands on supercrossbow and murderizes you 12:41:37 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:43:18 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:44:43 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:45:26 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:46:15 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:46:38 -!- kek has quit [Quit: switch] 12:47:35 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:47:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:48:14 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:48:59 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:49:24 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:30 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:51:08 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:51:52 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:53:28 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:53:52 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54:11 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:55:26 -!- aa99 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55:42 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:56:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:25 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:57:08 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:58:36 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:58:46 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:59:04 -!- asdfghjkl has quit [Client Quit] 13:00:22 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:01:56 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:01:58 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:43 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:02:54 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:13 ??bolt of inaccuracy 13:03:14 bolt of inaccuracy[1/1]: Deals good damage at Evocations level 0 - 27. You can line up several nasty monsters and blast them down all at once (irresistable damage!). Especially good with a corona-type effect like Sunlight or TSO halo to make it more accurate. 13:03:18 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:04:41 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:05:26 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:06:07 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:06:48 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:07:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:08:09 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:08:34 if I go afk during a game, how much of that time counts for duration? 13:08:50 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:08:59 all of it until you get kicked off the server 13:09:34 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:09:37 wait, really? damn 13:11:15 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:12:46 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:13:06 elapsed time is a stupid measure. 13:13:10 no 13:13:16 idle time is capped at 30 seconds 13:13:22 that's what i thought too 13:13:35 seriously, we aren't that stupid :) 13:13:47 elliptic: we are. Just not in that way. 13:13:52 well okay 13:15:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:03 -!- superc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:24:17 Apparently if we count autotravel then I'm on 2.11 turns/sec. 13:24:36 Otherwise manually it's probably along the lines of 0.1-2 13:25:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:40 -!- domiryuu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:32 Fear works. 13:29:38 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:12 oh really 13:30:47 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:51 yes 13:31:34 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:40 The only thing more annoying than teleportitis is tele* cTele and the endless teleport prompts. 13:32:00 bh: well, no longer a problem in trunk 13:32:06 with the cTele changes 13:32:21 unless you try to keep cTele status up at all times I guess 13:32:36 but that has its own issues 13:32:49 You have eaten 666 candies! 13:32:51 Ah, perfect. 13:37:34 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:38:42 -!- tureba_ has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 13:41:18 -!- Lux7 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:43:35 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 13:44:41 -!- AntiPlaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:23 -!- broquain1 is now known as broquaint 13:55:28 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:16 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:59:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:04:49 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:43 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:25 ??antennae 14:10:25 antennae[1/1]: Detects monsters in a 2/4/6 square radius of the player; detected monsters are represented by a red {. Gives sInv and removes head slot at 3. 14:10:36 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:45 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:26 it sure would be nice if there was an option to make autofight switch to the appropriate branded ammo for the enemy's resistances 14:22:19 -!- rkd has quit [] 14:27:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 14:30:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:31:41 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:33:42 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:02 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130511031123]] 14:35:52 -!- Ark is now known as Guest91669 14:36:29 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:46:18 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:26 SamB_, mumra, |amethyst: https://gist.github.com/bhickey/5564663 lulululu 14:48:04 wha? 14:48:23 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:49:06 I got in a bad spot. I started inner flaming orcs, sticky flamed one and teleported away 14:49:18 hehe 14:50:09 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 14:57:33 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:52 ??pain 14:57:52 pain[1/3]: L1 necro spell, exclusive to the Book of Necromancy. Inflicts 1hp non-fatal damage on the caster. Does 1d(4 + pow/5) damage, with a limit of 25 power, and bypasses AC - but checks MR and only affects monsters without life protection, or players without torment resistance. 14:57:57 ??pain brand 14:57:58 pain brand[1/2]: Brand which inflicts 1d(necromancy skill) extra damage on necro+1 out of 8 successful hits. Does not affect those with rneg (demons, undead, unliving, shadow dragons, death drakes, holies). (For the record, a monster's necromancy skill is HD/2, HD if undead or demonic, 0 if mindless/animal). 14:59:50 almost regretting playing offline now. just cleared orc:4 15:00:03 whoops channel 15:00:15 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01:37 oh 15:01:40 Speaking of autofight. 15:01:58 It would be nice if there was a feature to make an exclusion to it. 15:02:15 So that it wouldn't work (or ask for confirmation or something) if a certain enemy is in sight. 15:02:18 Like say, a hydra. 15:03:07 Might be nice if one could un/ignore such exclusions permanently for the duration of the game though. 15:03:35 Because we all know the classic "i accidentally didn't pay attention and a hydra ate my face" stories. 15:04:05 that sounds simple enough to write 15:05:06 bh: eek! 15:05:26 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:32 I'm dead. 15:05:39 I'm totally bullshitted dead 15:05:49 have you already identified ?blink ? 15:05:54 yep 15:06:09 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 15:06:15 -!- medgno_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:06:24 what about !speed 15:06:26 yep 15:06:30 hmmm 15:06:51 !heal? 15:07:12 maybe it could buy you time to read te tele scroll 15:07:36 ok. I'm going to pillar dance it until I get tempo 15:07:45 nice 15:08:55 that was close. 15:10:44 oh right. That's why I'm avoiding Lair:5 15:11:46 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:11:46 -!- medgno has quit [Ping timeout: 275 seconds] 15:11:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:50 Might also want to have "Hydra*" as a default exception. :x 15:13:06 ??bottled efreet 15:13:07 bottled efreet[1/1]: Summons a permanent efreet. Its chance of being friendly is 50%, plus 5% per 3 levels of Evocations (so 95% at level 27). Always carries a flaming scimitar. 15:13:12 Bloax: how do I do that? 15:14:59 you can't because nobody thought of adding in such a feature yet 15:15:03 or what is the question 15:15:07 i don't even know anymore ;~; 15:15:18 why is cheese the moon 15:15:43 back in a bit, power cycling the interweb 15:19:52 oh crap, wait, let me finish my download 15:20:03 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:48 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:22:14 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:45 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 15:25:14 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:25:32 -!- oddsox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:26:36 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:56 mumra: +3,+5 demon blade (pain) 15:28:00 discuss 15:28:07 splat. 15:28:09 nessos. 15:28:16 OOPS 15:28:32 writing code for crawl is more fun than playing crawl. 15:28:43 best god 15:28:46 noooooo 15:28:47 watching bh die is more fun that watching bh write code 15:28:49 yesss 15:29:01 Zannick: I still haet you 15:29:05 bh: <3 15:29:08 Watching anything is more fun than watching me use intense Cheistrategies. 15:29:11 Zannick: i'm guessing you've never seen bh write code 15:29:29 mumra: he's used my code before. 15:33:23 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:36:23 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:01 le sigh. I hate Nessos 15:38:23 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:21 Napkin: it sounds like there are problems on CDO, people are saying they can't rejoin their games 15:42:41 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:52 its the usual crash on selecting watch as well 15:44:34 03elliptic 07* 0.13-a0-698-gff9f909: Fix cursed magical staves and rods blocking weapon skill training. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff9f90932149 15:44:34 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 15:44:37 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:19 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:49:02 jeanjacques: hm, I can't even ssh (or telnet) in right now... 15:49:22 yes, trying to fix the ipc problem 15:49:47 !tell |amethyst https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7975 another lost password 15:49:48 mumra: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 15:50:55 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:43 -!- cbus_ is now known as cbus 15:55:13 -!- Luxorus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:27 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:57:47 geez 15:58:02 can't kill crawl, because of stuck dgamelaunch 15:58:22 kill -9 fails? 15:58:26 can't clean shared memory because of dgl not killable 15:58:28 yes 15:58:37 wtf 15:59:04 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:10 Napking casts Kill Crawl. The Crawl is unaffected! 15:59:44 power cycle the machine? 15:59:55 yeah.. i guess 15:59:56 wtf.. 16:00:22 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:01:03 -!- oddsox has quit [Client Quit] 16:02:01 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:02:05 -!- Guest91669 has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:03:02 let me guess you switched off the power but the SERVER'S STILL ON? 16:03:13 i'm afraid it will 16:03:16 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 16:03:19 still not willing to reboot 16:03:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:50 do you have physical access? 16:04:23 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:05:00 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:05:42 ok, bbl 16:05:48 -!- Napkin has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:06:04 that would be great in a film, when they try to deactivate the deranged psycho rogue AI by switching it off at the wall, and they're like "omg that didn't work, IT'S ALIVE" 16:06:08 and then someone else says, "oh that's right, it's running off a UPS" 16:07:06 so they sit around for a couple of hours until it runs down? 16:07:17 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:07:54 personally i would smash it to pieces with the nearest blunt instrument but ymmv 16:08:05 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:17 -!- GreenDrTm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:50 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:50 -!- Fleurka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:11 IT WAS COMING FROM INSIDE THE TTY 16:09:25 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:09:44 -!- Gretell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:22 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:56 Praised be to Napkin? 16:12:17 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 16:12:56 on a sunday evening at 11pm *sigh* 16:13:01 ... how do we know that's Napkin, or was that the machine fully taking over ...? 16:13:14 mumra: Ask it only something that Napkin would know? 16:13:30 -!- Demiskeleton has quit [Client Quit] 16:14:08 hmm, something like for instance the root admin password? 16:15:08 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:08 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:16:10 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 16:16:12 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:31 ok, mysql dbs repaired 16:18:20 dgl opened 16:18:24 please try again 16:20:41 -!- Souljazz\unfoog has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:20:48 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:55 i can connect now but it seems to fail when loading a game 16:21:00 Napkin: eagle3 is saying it's still not load... 16:21:03 what MarvinPA said 16:21:04 putty just closes after i press p 16:21:12 Connection to crawl.develz.org closed. 16:21:14 and elliptic 16:21:18 the watch screen works again but it just closes putty on starting/loading the game 16:21:24 er 16:21:29 it removed the first line because irc 16:21:33 /dgldir/ttyrec/qwqw/2013-05-12.21:21:00.ttyrec: No such file or directory 16:21:51 ah, right 16:21:52 that is what is left on my terminal after dying when I press p, if it helps 16:22:45 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:23:29 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:24:10 now? 16:24:25 works for me now 16:25:19 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:25:22 !lg qwqw 16:25:23 464. qwqw the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi), slain by a goblin on D:1 on 2013-05-12 21:25:07, with 21 points after 90 turns and 0:00:09. 16:25:32 same, looks good 16:25:32 Napkin: seems to work, thanks! 16:25:59 halleluja! bed time o/ 16:26:06 thanks for the emergency fix napkin 16:26:51 not only can I play, but I can die like normal too - I pronounce it fixed! 16:26:58 -!- hhkb1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 16:27:09 hehe 16:27:31 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:06 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:36 Warning when compiling tilepick.cc by CommanderC 16:33:27 -!- Frogz has quit [] 16:36:21 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:44:15 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:16 -!- Krag has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:38 -!- DIonized has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:01:19 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04:20 hm. monster ai = lol 17:04:26 ..# 17:04:29 Yf@ 17:04:31 .Y# 17:04:42 the yak on the left moves south to wait its turn 17:05:02 yes, I've seen that configuration 17:05:05 it is sort of bad 17:05:54 the way monsters behave there always has me half expecting they'll start fighting each other for the chance to go at me 17:10:47 (and then there was the orc wizard in my last game that kept killing orc priests through being too eager to cast flame at me. although I think the times it happened they were always invisible; could that logic be backwards somehow such that they don't see dudes in the way?) 17:11:05 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:53 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 17:14:19 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:17:19 -!- aa99 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:19:54 -!- ground4 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:14 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:33 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:45 -!- ground4 has left ##crawl-dev 17:22:57 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 17:26:02 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:28:59 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:31:37 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:42 -!- eagle3 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:55 huh, brown oozes aren't amphibious? 17:38:09 (got the "splashes around the water" message) 17:38:42 -!- alefury has quit [] 17:39:43 brown ooze (07J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 10/1 | Dam: 2508(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(65), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx | XP: 245 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 17:39:43 %??brown ooze 17:40:03 giant frog (03F) | Spd: 15 (swim: 60%) | HD: 4 | HP: 13-31 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 9 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(16), 12drown | XP: 90 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 17:40:03 %??giant frog 17:40:09 apparently not 17:40:13 jelly (04J) | Spd: 9 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-30 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Dam: 808(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(12), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 22 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:40:13 %??jelly 17:40:23 jelly properties are really inconsistent 17:40:33 it's weird, yeah 17:40:39 maybe all of them should be amphibious 17:40:44 like, why do jellies have see invisible but brown oozes just have sense invis? 17:43:07 other than that slime creatures seem to be the only J with no sense invis 17:43:33 i feel like there are some vaults and things that rely on specific Js not being amphibious 17:43:42 todo: make things more consistent? 17:43:44 otherwise i'd just say make them all amphibious and sense invis 17:43:59 What, no more drowning TRJ? 17:44:00 well maybe that is still a good idea but vaults would need checking 17:44:01 >_> 17:44:08 I think slime creatures not having see/sense invis sort of makes sense 17:44:34 since they are actual "creatures" that might have means of seeing normally 17:45:39 I envision slime creatures as, well, globs of slime. 17:45:52 (I think the current description says as much?) 17:46:05 A buggy slime creature. 17:46:09 (thanks ?/M) 17:46:14 and yeah 17:49:05 buggy ugly thing (12u) | Spd: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 8 | HP: 30-59 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 12 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32) | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 342 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:49:05 %??ugly thing col:disco 17:49:10 buggy ugly thing!!! 17:49:36 (sorry, I couldn't resist) 17:49:39 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:42 I see 17:50:06 I think I find it harder to imagine a glob of slime slithering along the ground as something that can be titanic but okay 17:50:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:50:34 * Grunt dumps a titanic vat of slime on elliptic... <_< 17:51:01 anyway I was just saying that I could see more ways of justifying them lacking see/sense invis than the others... giving them it is fine too 18:03:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:06:23 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08:04 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:08:04 -!- caleba_ is now known as caleba 18:08:31 -!- Innes has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 18:09:22 -!- caleba has quit [Client Quit] 18:12:32 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:53 (an orc comes down one of the branch exit stairs that you don't enter in) 18:16:59 WHAT MAGIC IS THIS 18:18:32 news flash: monsters coming down stairs when you don't *really aren't* 18:19:06 i'm just joking 18:19:22 but they're one-way stairs! 18:19:30 i guess monsters ignore that :P 18:20:10 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:14 FR: remove those stairs 18:20:24 fr: pick stairs 18:20:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:30:01 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:30:24 -!- nonethouzand has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:27 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:40 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:43 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:45:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:51 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:59:10 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:01:04 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 19:02:33 -!- Vesto has quit [Quit: öy] 19:03:46 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 19:05:27 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:06:43 -!- minced has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:07:35 -!- rkd has quit [] 19:10:54 -!- osuadh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:16:32 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:20:03 -!- StekarDraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:35:18 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:53 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:38:54 -!- QQQ is now known as gloop 19:47:03 what Str do I need to squeeze blood from cheeze? 19:52:25 -!- MAR has quit [Client Quit] 19:52:34 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:13 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:35 SamB_: 81 19:59:07 -!- Vizrt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:02:19 -!- Moredrea1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:04:39 -!- scummos_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:06:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:11:01 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:11:08 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 20:11:32 -!- Poncheis has quit [Client Quit] 20:12:33 -!- n1k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:14:36 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17:31 :o 20:17:50 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:21:24 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:10 bad-dev: I'm so sorry for my shameful death earlier. 20:24:09 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:24:23 shameful death? 20:25:32 Nessos killed me 20:26:23 And here I thought you had drowned in the Abyss. 20:26:24 <_< 20:26:52 * SamB_ was under the impression bh had fixed that 20:26:58 >_> 20:27:18 a vault warden sealed me in a room by myself. I hope he lets me out 20:27:31 -!- sym has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27:32 rchandra: go to your room!!! 20:27:35 rchandra: I hope you have a scroll of teleport. 20:27:49 you have to wait for him to come back and drop all your gold 20:27:49 bh: I do but it's vaults 5. do I need to use that to get out? 20:27:51 He'll open the door in a turn or two. 20:27:58 Or something will, at least. 20:29:47 indeed, something did. I was worried he was going to cheese out my summons, since they wouldn't attack 20:30:21 Mmm... Cheese. 20:30:38 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 20:32:36 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:33:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:45 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 20:38:39 bh: somehow I has more points than you! 20:38:53 SamB_: I'm *really* bad at Crawl. 20:39:37 is there a devteam? 20:39:48 a baddev team 20:40:04 http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/clans/neil.html 20:40:17 Why isn't dpeg on our team? 20:40:24 I was about to ask that :) 20:40:44 he has no team! 20:40:48 !lg * dpeg won 20:40:48 No keyword 'dpeg' 20:40:52 !lg dpeg won 20:40:53 18. dpeg the Octopus of Death (L27 OpHu), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2012-10-24 20:03:34, with 1599600 points after 162672 turns and 11:31:07. 20:41:04 whoa! dpeg is gooddev 20:41:28 !lg . won 20:41:29 16. SGrunt the Sensei (L24 TrWz), worshipper of Jiyva, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-04-26 00:35:31, with 1547218 points after 68290 turns and 3:37:42. 20:41:39 dpeg hasn't won since 0.11-a or so :b 20:41:46 !lg dpeg won x=cv 20:41:47 18. [cv=0.11] dpeg the Octopus of Death (L27 OpHu), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2012-10-24 20:03:34, with 1599600 points after 162672 turns and 11:31:07. 20:41:51 there you go, let grunt and dpeg carry you to a win 20:42:00 !lm dpeg br.end=lair / won 20:42:03 17/84 milestones for dpeg (br.end=lair): N=17/84 (20.24%) 20:42:11 !lm . br.end=lair / won 20:42:15 16/106 milestones for Grunt (br.end=lair): N=16/106 (15.09%) 20:42:22 I'm not really tournamenting <_< 20:42:44 !lm bh br.end=lair / won 20:42:45 4/18 milestones for bh (br.end=lair): N=4/18 (22.22%) 20:43:03 I guess I just have contempt for low level characters. 20:45:50 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 20:45:57 !lm bh br.end=vault / won 20:45:57 No milestones for bh (br.end=vault). 20:46:00 !lm bh br.end=vaults / won 20:46:01 4/10 milestones for bh (br.end=vaults): N=4/10 (40.00%) 20:46:06 !lm * br.end=vaults / won 20:46:08 11594/22690 milestones for * (br.end=vaults): N=11594/22690 (51.10%) 20:46:15 !lm * br.end=orc / won 20:46:18 11625/71833 milestones for * (br.end=orc): N=11625/71833 (16.18%) 20:46:23 !lm * br.end=lair / won 20:46:27 11717/69531 milestones for * (br.end=lair): N=11717/69531 (16.85%) 20:46:35 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:47:17 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 20:48:21 darn, we're really far down in the rankings now 20:48:40 SamB_: I could try botting HoBe? 20:48:56 Hobbits aren't a thing 20:49:09 ??the wizard's castle[4 20:49:09 the wizards castle[4/5]: YOU MAY BE AN ELF, DWARF, MAN, OR HOBBIT. 20:50:08 huh, there are teams with no points! 20:50:10 SamB_: HOBe 20:50:36 SamB_: we need a win basically, i've been trying with very little success :( 20:51:11 (dpeg hasn't been online at all since the tournament started otherwise i'd have already roped him in!) 20:51:14 MiBe time. 20:51:24 Don't forget to press aa to win >_> 20:51:42 -!- tureba_ has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:52:02 Are maces strictly worse than axes? 20:53:49 sweet. dead already 20:54:29 Stat death. I had a scroll of rcurse, but I was brainless and couldn't read it 20:55:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:56:20 !lg bh 20:56:21 1319. bh the Skirmisher (L2 MiBe), worshipper of Trog, quit the game on D:1 on 2013-05-13 01:54:08, with 68 points after 425 turns and 0:01:19. 20:56:32 !log bh !boring 20:56:32 1153. bh, XL13 DrFE, T:30383: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/bh/morgue-bh-20130512-202803.txt 20:56:34 er 20:56:36 !log bh 20:56:37 1319. bh, XL2 MiBe, T:425: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/bh/morgue-bh-20130513-015408.txt 20:57:04 ??brainless 20:57:04 brainless[1/1]: Caused by hitting zero intelligence. Can't memorise or cast spells (or read manuals or tomes of Destruction!), 80% chance of failure when reading scrolls. Effects persist for a while after reaching positive int again. Also the usual stat zero effects (halved speed, increasing chances of fainting, death after 90 turns). 20:57:09 oh oops. 20:57:22 I thought it was guaranteed failure. 20:58:25 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:58:34 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:38 -!- whig_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:40 -!- whig_ is now known as whig 21:00:01 <|amethyst> whig: hey, did you get the email? 21:00:54 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:34 -!- Zelda has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:02:44 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:11:55 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:26 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- oddsox has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- Kautzman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:03 -!- superc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:04 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:27:04 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:04 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:27:04 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:04 -!- frobop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:04 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:21 excellent 21:27:30 i kind of wanted to understand the melee code a bit better anyway 21:27:38 so i coded the "whaling on" proposal from https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7964&p=107914#p107914 21:28:23 whaling on? 21:28:39 "the ogre is whaling on you!" 21:28:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29:00 -!- hart has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:29:23 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 21:29:44 oh, that sounds kind of interesting 21:30:52 umm is that d^((h+1)*0.25), that sounds like a lot 21:31:01 yeah i didn't use that formula 21:31:14 i just did d*(9+h)/10 21:31:54 better to test with something obvious and fairly simple to get a feel for what's going on 21:32:02 then tune the formula later 21:33:46 if course actually getting to the maximum bonus won't happen in a lot of fights 21:34:23 probably it is most relevant against pan/hell lords, oofs, aliches 21:34:40 it needs a better name though >.> 21:34:47 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:59 -!- LostNumber has quit [] 21:35:18 lainiw: yeah but how long are you going to keep on clubbing a pan/hell lord? doing anything else (e.g. healing, spellcasting) resets the bonus 21:35:46 if you're hasted you can probably get the 5 times hit bonus pretty fast 21:36:20 yeah, in five turns (actually i set the cap one higher since i changed the formula: this means the maximum bonus is 1.5x damage) 21:36:41 -!- Cryp71c__ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:56 ontoclasm: agreed, but whaling is the only word anyone found that fits all of clubs, maces and whips ;) 21:37:06 "focus" 21:37:10 i guess "flogging" 21:37:14 If it breaks on a miss then getting to the max bonus and keeping it is sort of hard 21:37:17 focus sounds boring :P 21:37:31 "pressure" 21:37:39 you pressure the x!!! 21:37:42 even at high skill with good weapons missing is fairly common 21:37:46 SwissStopwatch: currently it doesn't reset on a miss (it just doesn't *increase*) 21:37:49 mm. 21:37:53 that way you can hum Under Pressure every time you do it 21:38:07 hmmmmmm 21:38:15 that is a strong argument 21:38:55 Also my initial interpretation of what you meant by whaling was rather more literal 21:39:03 which did seem weird..... 21:39:11 yeah that's the main problem, it does mean other things 21:39:18 i think infusion needs to use up more mp somehow 21:39:22 i win every argument by referencing queen 21:39:38 what was wrong with concentration? 21:40:14 concentration is also fine i guess 21:40:18 SwissStopwatch: we don't even HAVE harpoons 21:40:22 unknown monster: "whale" 21:40:22 %??whale 21:40:25 or whales 21:40:36 the word "whaling" works better in the context of melee messages 21:40:39 SamB_: we'll just have to tell tall tales and sing a whaling tune 21:40:48 right now you get: You hit the ogre! You are whaling on the ogre!! 21:40:53 i disagree that the word "whaling" works better than anything :P 21:41:16 well it sounds more exciting than "You are concentrating on the ogre!!" 21:41:28 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:29 you hit the ogre with great concentration! 21:41:31 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:34 is it whaling or wailing 21:41:42 but yeah, any suggestions for how to better communicate this would be good :) 21:41:49 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41:56 Dixlet: whaling apparently (although it's one of these words with no real correct version) 21:42:10 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:10 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 21:42:10 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:28 SamB: so what kind of weapon would a harpoon be then, throwing? 21:42:32 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- marcmagus has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- antlions has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- medgno has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- ystael has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- localhost has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- syraine has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- Kautzman has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:32 -!- rast has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:33 -!- sym has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:54 maybe an "of returning" 21:42:59 yes 21:43:14 of returning, if you kill a monster with it it drags the corpse towards you 21:43:27 lehudib's crystal harpoon 21:43:35 only works on white whales though 21:43:44 why only white ones? 21:43:53 should work on wights too 21:44:04 all those wight corpses 21:44:11 this is a moby dick reference, isn't it 21:44:32 moby dick and queen; i am the king of class 21:44:41 moby dick is not the only whale to have ever been whaled 21:44:53 fyi whaling in the melee context is "to beat or thrash soundly" perhaps originating from "to thrash with a whalebone whip" ... hence we also need a whalebone whip artifact to whale on monsters with ;) 21:45:12 "thrash" is pretty neat 21:45:24 You thrash the ogre!!! 21:45:31 maybe a different verb for each subtype 21:45:44 whips = thrash, clubs = smash, mace = bash 21:45:55 for scythes: You thresh the ogre!!! 21:46:13 haha 21:46:55 what about reaping 21:47:01 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- tureba has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- sym` has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- gloop has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- sbanwart has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- hhkb has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- santiago has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- myrmidette has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- Helmschank has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:02 -!- Laany has quit [*.net *.split] 21:47:50 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:09 -!- Naruni has quit [Excess Flood] 21:49:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:21 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:20 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- marcmagus has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- antlions has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- medgno has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- ystael has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- localhost has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- Datul has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- syraine has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- Kautzman has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- rast has quit [*.net *.split] 21:51:20 -!- sym has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:17 "flogging" also works for whips 21:52:25 and flails i guess 21:52:39 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:51 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:22 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:43 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:38 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 21:57:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:59:56 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:36 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:04:07 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:04:24 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:05:30 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:09:40 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:10:32 New branch created: meleemoves (1 commit) 22:10:32 03mumra 07[meleemoves] * 0.13-a0-699-g7f7bd33: Special effect for Maces and Flails: "whaling on" 10(10 minutes ago, 9 files, 124+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f7bd338df1b 22:10:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:11:37 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 22:12:59 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:13:08 -!- tureba_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:14:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15:39 -!- Cryp71c__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:35 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 22:16:41 -!- rphillips has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:59 -!- sym has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:18:39 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:18:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:02 MarvinPA: i think the main reason i'm not keen on "concentration" is that "cleave" "reaching" are both words associated in a very obvious way with their weapons 22:21:17 You are standing in the rain. You are covered in liquid flames! 22:21:18 whereas "concentration" is something you could do with anything 22:21:33 undesirable feature imo (not quite a bug) 22:21:35 reaching was a thing even before polearms had it, too 22:22:03 yeah but now it's associated with polearms because they're long, so you can reach things with them -- it makes sense 22:22:14 indeed 22:22:27 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:48 whereas "whaling" seems to have an etymological association specifically with whips and flails 22:22:52 I'm just pointing out that using the term for polearms in particular was a no-brainer since we already used the term for the brand 22:23:06 yep 22:24:13 what about "flaying" 22:24:42 give it bleeding 22:25:48 to strip the skin off? 22:25:58 did there used to be a flaying brand? i'm sure i can remember something or maybe i'm getting miixed up with another game 22:27:24 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:29 -!- whig_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:30 -!- whig_ is now known as whig 22:30:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:52 Random crash @ main menu by xbon 22:33:03 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:30 I wish crawl had MSVC compiler support. I tried compiling it myself (got all of /contribs compiling) but crawl itself failed due to non-standard C++. 22:38:35 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 22:38:59 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:08 and particular code or just lots of it? 22:39:11 s/and/any/ 22:40:16 xFleury: also, which MSVC version are you using? 22:43:15 "whaling" sounds really weird to my ear here, fwiw 22:43:24 I agree with elliptic. 22:43:32 I don't have a good alternative suggestion at the moment though 22:43:36 * SamB_ still thinks it should involve harpoons 22:44:39 mumra: 2012 express, I gave up after some C++0x code threw compiler errors 22:44:50 about the attack effect itself, I think it is worth trying it out a little... my main concern is that it won't be easy to notice the effect at all 22:45:22 because melee damage is highly variable already and most of the time you aren't hitting a single monster that many times in a row anyway... stuff tends to die in just a few hits 22:45:30 elliptic: that's right, in my limited testing you couldn't really tell the difference 22:45:36 xFleury: we're using C++0x already? 22:45:55 I'm fairly sure we're not doing anything that involves C++0x. 22:47:14 xFleury: it definitely has compiled on older versions of MSVC too 22:48:30 xFleury: i have full VS2012 here, would definitely be amazing to get it compiling and use the MS debugger :) 22:48:53 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:48:56 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:36 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:19 -!- sym` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:52:24 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:52:58 elliptic: maybe it needs to curve up a lot more so it gets really noticable after 3 or 4 consective hits, the OP's formula tried to achieve this but was pretty broken 22:53:28 yeah, I think it definitely needs a faster formula 22:53:49 I spent a little time just now trying to come up with something I liked the sound of and failed though 22:54:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 22:54:49 i decided to start off with something real simple just to test the mechanic, let the mathematicians puzzle out the curves later ;) 22:55:10 elliptic: I like to think that a mechanic for which we can't come up with a concise, good-sounding name may not be worth pursuing >_> 22:55:18 -!- Guest5706 is now known as jarpiain 22:55:23 Grunt: how much is the name "cleave" used in-game? 22:55:30 haha 22:55:53 I'm not sure it really is, right? 22:56:11 Probably only in the documentation, yes. 22:56:15 i do quite like "flogging". currently it's used in some of the melee messages anyway but that could be changed. 22:56:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:56:27 ugh, since I deleted everything after giving up, it's difficult to dig up specifics 22:56:40 heh 22:56:44 but I saw a preprocessor define, something like _hasCPP0x 22:56:48 that's why you shouldn't delete stuff ;) 22:56:49 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 22:56:54 use a git branch so you can save things 22:56:56 if defined (which it was for me) it changed some heap memory stuff 22:57:11 maybe just undefining it would be a good workaround 22:57:26 just to get things up and running 22:57:33 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:58:09 I'm not sure if I could just undefine it so easily, that preprocessor define was coded into the compiler (sorta like DEBUG). 22:58:31 xFleury: maybe you should turn off C++0x on the commandline 22:59:12 pr you could find-and-replace it to something else so the project ignores it 22:59:12 is that version of m&f move better that the one I suggested 22:59:33 st_: which one was yours? 22:59:37 st_: depends on what the move you suggested is, slightly, but almost certainly not. 22:59:51 st_: this could always be used for something else if yours is better 23:00:31 it was the same as that except you get dam+ for attacking until you do something other than attacking 23:00:52 that is basically this yeah 23:01:38 you get a multiplier to damage, it could easily be dam+ instead if that's more noticable, although there's more overlap with song of slaying then ... 23:02:16 what, song of flaying then 23:02:50 oh except yours let you attack different monsters i guess? and still ++ the damage even if you do 0 damage? 23:02:55 SamB: haha, song of flaying 23:03:09 genius 23:03:12 Flaying would actually be a good term for this mechanic. 23:03:26 Mostly because it's the category that includes whips, but still. 23:03:36 i'm dubious how well that works for clubs/maces/hammers 23:03:53 yeah 23:04:23 pounding? 23:04:30 the only place the word is used is in the message that prints when you get bonus damage. This could just go "You are whipping the gnoll!" "You are hammering the foo!" "You are clubbing the foo!" 23:04:42 depending on whether it's a whip/hammer/club ;) 23:05:06 i like that, esp. since it will make good messages 23:05:32 I'm going to take another stab at getting MSVC working, but brb gotta restart comp. :S 23:05:45 for maces ... "you are emaciating the ogre!" 23:05:59 xFleury: what, you're too law-abiding to run it in WINE or something 23:06:39 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:11 -!- xFleury_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:38 -!- xFleury has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:11:22 -!- xFleury_ is now known as xFleury 23:12:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:14:11 Most difficult part of compiling /contrib is zlib; the precompiled .obj files won't link. Have to rebuild them manually. 23:14:55 Like, it'll link to build zlib.lib, but it will fail when linked with crawl later down the road. Due to /SAFESEH. 23:16:33 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:49 -!- xFleury_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:13 -!- xFleury has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:21:02 -!- xFleury_ is now known as xFleury 23:27:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 23:27:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:27:33 -!- Flex has quit [] 23:29:08 ========== Rebuild All: 9 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped ========== 23:29:21 ok, contribs compiling again, time for crawl/tilegen :S 23:29:50 heh, i have no idea about tilegen 23:29:57 have you seen the mantis ticket about all this btw? 23:30:07 there could be some useful tips there 23:30:11 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30:16 tbh, I don't know what 'tilegen' even is 23:30:23 is that even required? 23:30:44 yes, it generates the sprite sheets from all the .png files 23:31:23 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:33:28 hmm, anyone have opinions on having the spectral weapon be like this http://sprunge.us/VRdH 23:34:43 -!- Kautzman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:35:57 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:39:20 that looks kinda reasonable 23:39:33 i think the hd and ac shouldn't be so high at the upper end though 23:39:38 but maybe boost EV more 23:40:44 maybe have a flat AC and just scale HD+EV 23:41:18 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:43:32 -!- Ryak_ has quit [Quit: Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.] 23:45:26 Error 11 error C2977: 'std::auto_ptr' : too many template arguments 23:45:42 That's holding me up with compiling crawl. :S 23:46:08 can you disable C++0x in the compiler? 23:46:12 Even with "_VARIADIC_MAX=10", still won't compile. 23:46:19 I'll try to find a way to disable C++0x. 23:47:25 xFleury: try changing "Platform Toolset" under the project settings 23:47:40 oh wait 23:47:49 that's only if you already have vc2008 installed 23:48:19 My only options in VS2012 is "v110" or "v110_xp". 23:48:36 if you install Microsoft SDK 7.0 then maybe you'll get a v90 option 23:49:03 it has to be SDK 7.0 not 7.1 23:49:10 i'm getting this from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3435213/visual-c-2010-compatibility-with-vc-2008 23:49:11 I have v7.0A, v7.1A, v8.0, and V8.0A 23:49:19 hmm 23:49:31 that link came from here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3536029/disabling-c0x-features-in-vc-2010 23:50:09 can you search and replace in the crawl files to just not look for that particular define? 23:50:19 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:50:22 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:50:31 i mean the C++0x one 23:50:43 #define _HAS_CPP0X 1 23:50:52 oh, where is that 23:51:11 yvals.h [readonly], located in MSVC includes 23:51:19 It's not a crawl file. 23:51:29 ok, but where does crawl check for that define? 23:51:52 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52:04 sorry, I was wrong to say crawl checked for it 23:52:05 checks for it 23:52:16 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 23:52:24 -!- kait has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:53 hmm, i'm thinking it's probably nothing to do with the compile problem you're getting 23:54:00 -!- noobcanoe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:55:24 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:57:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:58:03 xFleury: ok can i just suggest something to try. wait a second let me sprunge this 23:59:14 oh wait a sec i'm confused 23:59:29 see AppHdr.h line 27-32