00:00:10 bh: usually I wait until I have 2 !curemut to disturb the universe like that 00:00:16 -!- Sirrick has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:00:25 bh is devoured by a tear in the fabric of the universe. 00:00:50 Grunt: Somehow that reads like it was an old mantis comment 00:00:56 You feel weaker. You feel agile. You feel a little hungry. / You feel clumsy. Your metabolism slows. You feel stronger. 00:01:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-694-g9be4cfb (34) 00:01:14 That seems like a waste of !curemut 00:01:17 DracoOmega: my comment, or the comment it was responding to? 00:01:32 What you just said 00:01:33 I have no context at all here 00:01:46 DracoOmega: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7031 00:01:47 Aside from discussion in ##-dev itself earlier tonight 00:02:37 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:03:29 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:03:29 -!- WesterAlt is now known as Wester 00:03:59 Well, it doesn't seem to me like anything infiniplex is saying there is obviously wrong? 00:05:40 DracoOmega: we were discussing getting layouts to connect up nicely to primary vaults here earlier; infiniplex makes it sound as though it's a lot harder than said discussion seemed to indicate. 00:05:51 Anyway, it's time for me to wander off for now. 00:06:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:40 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:06:45 -!- Borek_ is now known as Mandevil 00:06:48 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:06:59 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.1-11-g970af5d (34) 00:08:04 Well, I think what he is saying is that for some layouts it is very hard, and for others it is more conceptually possible. Which I think is true, and that the ones mumra was talking about doing it with just happen to be suited to working that way? 00:08:09 I mean, I could be wrong 00:08:20 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:09:35 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 00:11:03 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:26 yeah it's certainly pretty hard 00:11:43 but it's something i've been aware of since I started testing the hyper stuff outside of V 00:11:53 <|amethyst> !rng veh kiku 00:11:54 The RNG chooses: veh. 00:12:06 and actually they can work quite nicely with hyper layouts already, if i was finishing hyper instead of writing a replacement ;) 00:13:16 Haha 00:13:19 How's that been coming? 00:13:23 |amethyst: i will spectate you and offer bad advice 00:13:47 mumra: warning: hugeterm 00:13:50 DracoOmega: well, the grid stuff is going to make hyper totally redundant so there's not much point finishing it 00:14:02 elliptic: not a problem, webtiles 00:14:15 oh right 00:14:32 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:33 I always forget about that because it isn't an option for footv 00:14:33 DracoOmega: the grid engine is much simpler and faster, and it can do a lot of cool things that were far too difficult with hyper 00:15:00 Is there anything of value with hyper that it CAN'T do? 00:15:10 For sake of argument :P 00:15:21 hmm 00:15:30 no, i don't think so 00:15:57 hyper was good at packing things together in extremely random configurations, but it was really unreliable 00:16:12 whereas grids are extremely reliable at producing connected graphs of rooms 00:16:21 and fast to boot 00:16:46 and you have a lot more control over the nature of the graph that is generated 00:17:07 so there are a really few edge cases of layouts that maybe hyper can generate that grids can't 00:17:21 but i think with enough tweaking the grids can do a near approximation of any of those 00:17:49 And it can do at least similar-looking degrees of randomness with room arrangement? 00:17:55 yes 00:18:08 -!- Ashenden_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:09 That is good. (Not that visible overall structure isn't also good!) 00:18:28 it could create a fairly loose grid, then jitter things about within each cell a bit 00:18:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-694-g9be4cfb (34) 00:18:35 but importantly ensure connectivity 00:18:43 -!- AntiPlaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18:56 and in fact make sure multiple paths are created around the layout (something hyper does by accident but can't guarantee) 00:19:00 s/sure/ensure/ 00:19:48 and it could also create corridor layouts of infinite variation 00:19:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:20:18 the most flexible corridor layout in current vaults is the grid layout, which was basically the really early prototype that became this grid algorithm ;) 00:20:37 ^Vaults with a V i mean 00:21:47 The other thing grids are good at is being able to pack in lots of lots of really small rooms 00:21:59 It was really slow with hyper and difficult to connect up 00:23:00 anyway it's a shame to throw away code, and i might still be able to use some of the hyper stuff with these layouts 00:23:18 Well, it's not so bad if the code was itself a stepping stone to something better 00:24:11 yeah it was a necessary evolutionary stage 00:26:26 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:35 And on that note, I am going to bed 00:27:37 Goodnight! 00:27:47 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:24 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:58 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:38:12 ??berserk 00:38:13 berserk[1/7]: Grants {might}, {haste} and 50% extra HP. Lasts 20-40 turns, as long as you're attacking monsters. This duration increases on kills if wearing an {amulet of rage} or worshipping {Trog}. 00:38:16 ??berserk[2] 00:38:17 berserk[2/7]: While berserk, you can only move, open/close doors, attack with your wielded weapon, if any, pray, eat, and butcher corpses. Notably, you cannot use items or abilities, including god abilities, even Trog's. Be prepared before berserking! 00:38:30 Uh. You can pick things up while berserk. 00:38:47 bug? 00:39:04 I think it's just the learndb entry being sloppy 00:39:16 at least I don't see any real reason to forbid picking things up 00:39:38 probably the main reason picking things up is allowed is chunks 00:39:57 ah 00:40:28 I guess butchering will usually cause berserk to end anyway 00:40:35 so maybe that's not actually an issue 00:41:10 Gastronok (04j) | Spd: 5 | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | 10items, 10doors, 04eats food, amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 2131 | Sp: airstrike (0-50), slow, swiftness, small mammal, cantrip | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 00:41:10 %??gastronok 00:42:43 Should we just make all wands ID on use? 00:44:23 you mean, on empty air? 00:44:24 fr: wand of id 00:44:31 elliptic: yep 00:44:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44:50 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-694-g9be4cfb 00:44:51 it's a tempting possibility certainly... if so, scrolls should also all ID on use too 00:45:02 it seems spoily to line up a shot on a weak monster with a few squares distance between you and a wall behind it 00:45:20 yeah, though just zapping at air isn't very interesting either 00:45:34 since it's definitely worth a charge to ID a wand 00:45:43 so you'd just always do that 00:46:22 wands could just ID type on pickup like books I guess 00:47:32 we could make floor wands spawn with one fewer charge and auto-ID 00:48:23 no need for the one fewer charge I'd say, since that would affect multiple wands of the same type 00:48:34 or could do half a charge fewer or something 00:50:13 golden eye (08G) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 6-18 | AC/EV: 0/20 | lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx | XP: 190 | Sp: blink | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 00:50:13 %??golden eye 00:50:28 ??golden eye 00:50:29 golden eye[1/1]: Come in packs! Confuse(checks MR)! Tiny! Fast! Also, they blink (getit). 00:50:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:42 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 00:50:43 Have they always done that? 00:50:59 done which? 00:51:21 they've always had blink and smite-targeted confuse 00:52:57 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:52 -!- Pendrell has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:56:55 -!- bza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:59:08 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:01:56 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:57 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:03:18 -!- Ashenden has quit [Client Quit] 01:05:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:37 !lm jeanjacques crash 01:12:37 19. [2013-04-18 14:26:55] jeanjacques the Devastator (L20 DEAr) ASSERT(w idx != NON ITEM) in 'mon-stuff.cc' at line 1727 failed on turn 38699. (Vaults:4) 01:13:18 !lm jeanjacques crash 01:13:19 19. [2013-04-18 14:26:55] jeanjacques the Devastator (L20 DEAr) ASSERT(w idx != NON ITEM) in 'mon-stuff.cc' at line 1727 failed on turn 38699. (Vaults:4) 01:13:20 hm 01:13:26 !log jeanjacques 01:13:26 2851. jeanjacques, XL4 TrFi, T:618: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.12/jeanjacques/morgue-jeanjacques-20130511-051233.txt 01:13:29 without a log 01:13:33 but it happened twice 01:13:52 http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.12/jeanjacques/crash-jeanjacques-20130511-061224.txt 01:13:56 http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.12/jeanjacques/crash-jeanjacques-20130511-061247.txt 01:14:09 it just didn't make a milestone for some reason 01:14:52 -!- magistern has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:15:22 crashed in the milestone code? 01:15:33 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:16:46 -!- quackv4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:16:53 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:18:01 -!- raskol_ is now known as raskol 01:18:22 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:23 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20:23 -!- quackv4 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:23:27 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:28 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:08 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:28:20 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:28:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:08 -!- dienosaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:59 -!- marcmagus has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:42:45 jeanjacques was going too fast for the milestone code to handle 01:43:04 it's secret dev tech that we put in there fpr exactly this kind of scenario 01:48:12 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:52:39 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 02:03:25 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:32 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:58 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:12:59 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:15:51 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 02:25:17 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:32 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:27 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:31:53 -!- Ashenden has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:53 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:07 -!- madreisz has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:17 -!- madreisz is now known as lainiw 02:48:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:54:40 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:06:11 -!- Automaton has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:44 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:15:53 -!- Icegoten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:17:34 -!- gluup_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:20:52 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:23:50 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:24:31 -!- simmarine__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28:05 -!- noobcanoe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:28:17 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:31:34 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 03:32:00 -!- DeathrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:32:30 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 03:34:20 -!- dupo has quit [] 03:35:30 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 03:35:30 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47:57 -!- ihdpa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:48:44 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:51:30 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:58:38 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:01:29 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:54 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 04:13:44 -!- SoulOfTheInterne is now known as ToBeFree 04:15:34 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 04:18:18 |amethyst: nice, 27 combo high scores :) 04:20:50 -!- Azzkikr_ is now known as Azzkikr 04:30:08 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:30:10 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:17 MarvinPA: done 04:30:17 Napkin: You have 7 messages. 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Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 05:03:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:12 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:42 -!- domiryuu1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:08:17 -!- Perkol has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:09:26 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:40 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:13 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 05:13:55 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 05:13:55 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:26 |amethyst: for vector::iterator problems, you may as well index it with ints 05:20:42 more terse, and probably even faster 05:23:51 -!- riot_ is now known as riot 05:27:07 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:27:28 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130510041606]] 05:29:26 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:31:50 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-695-g7c4e1fd: Index that reverse_iterator with ints. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c4e1fd16ce5 05:37:31 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-696-g31a5b92: Follow the beam's path forward until it hits. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31a5b92536c4 06:04:20 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:02 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:07:18 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:07:45 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:45 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 06:07:45 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:35 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:10:00 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:20:47 -!- BizmarkRibeye has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 06:28:13 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:29:22 -!- nCrazed_ is now known as nCrazed 06:33:11 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:34:50 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:08 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53:40 -!- Laany has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:54:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:56:45 -!- AriaB_b has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:06 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:08 -!- Elkan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:38 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:09:06 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:09:52 -!- m1nced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:10:08 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:15:21 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:16:42 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:19:18 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 07:20:02 Ned (L4 DDNe) (D:2) 07:21:11 !lm ned crash -log 07:21:12 13. Ned, XL4 DDNe, T:2047 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Ned/crash-Ned-20130511-122001.txt 07:21:40 autoexplore + netted ally loop 07:22:01 which I guess actually crashes webtiles? 07:22:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 07:24:42 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:24:51 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:41 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:36:51 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:52:09 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:52:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:53:12 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:59:40 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:00:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:25 -!- WildSam has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:27 -!- everett has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:24 hello. is it possible to butcher with a cursed mace in 0.12? 08:04:46 yes 08:04:52 nice 08:04:57 thanks 08:05:06 -!- oddsox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:07:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07:23 ??passwall 08:07:23 passwall[1/3]: Allows passing through diggable wall/statues with a free turn (useful for guaranteed stabbing) on the other side. Delay before passing is 2+distance turns and is not stopped if attacked. Range is 1-13 based on earth/spell power; guaranteed minimum is 1+earth/8 tiles (max of 4, at skill 24). 08:08:02 ??passwall[2] 08:08:03 passwall[2/3]: You begin to meditate on the wall. You continue meditating on the rock. (x3) You finish merging with the rock. You fall into the water! You drown... Your meditation is interrupted. 08:08:25 ??passwall[3] 08:08:26 passwall[3/3]: In 0.8 or later passwall fails if you would end up in lava or deep water (unless you can survive in these enviroments). 08:08:59 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:18 -!- Gannicus has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:18:04 -!- everett has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:20:08 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:22:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:29:17 -!- Nivim has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 08:32:11 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32:29 -!- dwqd has quit [Client Quit] 08:35:22 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:36:27 -!- oberstein has quit [Quit: uhhh] 08:36:49 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:37:04 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:40:06 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 08:45:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:30 CAO lagging badly :( 08:45:46 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:45:56 did a couple people just land on DL27? :( 08:47:06 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:01 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:28 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:53:01 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:02 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 08:54:56 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:02 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:55:22 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:55 -!- MoreAxes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:02:50 is there a way to make autoexplore prioritize walking to corpses more highly? 09:03:03 it always get to them eventually, but often they are rotten by then 09:06:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:08:29 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:09:22 Napkin: thanks! 09:09:40 Abilities bar in bottom right of interface disappears by Vinterriket 09:09:41 <|amethyst> rast: there's explore_item_greed but that's not specific to corpses 09:10:28 <|amethyst> rast: so increasing that would help if the problem is that you explore too much first; but not if the problem is that you visit too many other items first 09:10:57 its that i explore too much instead of first visiting the corpses 09:11:25 explore_item_greed is not mentioned in the options guide? 09:11:30 <|amethyst> rast: then that may help. default is 10, meaning "prefer an item closer than 10 squares away to the nearest unmapped square" 09:11:33 <|amethyst> it is not 09:11:41 <|amethyst> see travel.cc for the documentation 09:11:58 heh ok. is it in .12 or just trunk? 09:14:17 <|amethyst> rast: looks like it dates back to 0.1.7, though it may have had a slightly different meaning before 0.2 09:14:26 <|amethyst> :) 09:14:33 nice thanks 09:14:56 also was wondering about explore_wall_bias .. i have no idea what the value means 09:15:13 note that autoexplore didn't visit stuff like corpses back then though (unless you had them on autopickup) 09:15:22 <|amethyst> true 09:15:39 should i be setting explore_wall_bias to 3? 10? 100? 09:16:03 (I like the idea of favoring corners) 09:16:34 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 09:18:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:20 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:20:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:30 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:23:16 <|amethyst> as for the lag: looks like it was a combination of the daily compress-ttyrec job and several web crawlers 09:26:31 -!- Zermako has quit [] 09:28:18 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:28:23 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 09:30:02 -!- Juicy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:35:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:37:24 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:37:50 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:37:59 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:59 -!- AriaB_b has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:01 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:21 -!- jotwebe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:34 -!- AriaB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:34 -!- Froggeryz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:34 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:34 -!- N78291 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:34 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:35 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:35 -!- WesterAlt is now known as Wester 09:44:39 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:44:47 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:51 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:51 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46:16 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:56 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:46:59 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 09:48:24 -!- AriaB_b has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:48:29 -!- voker57_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:42 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:19 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:19 -!- zkyp has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:50:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51:10 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:51:46 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:51:46 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:51:46 -!- unpaidbi1l has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:52:53 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:53:00 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:34 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:05 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:14 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:51 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:44 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:06:44 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:11:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:33 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:20:52 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:21:20 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:22:52 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:25 -!- quackv5 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:45 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:27:33 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Fires a spray of energy at up to 3 targets in the same general direction which deal some damage and can temporarly blind creatures which are neither nonliving nor undead if they fail an HD-based save. 11:17:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- quackv5 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:32 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 11:17:59 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:59 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:24 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:24 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:55 -!- everett has quit [Client Quit] 11:19:12 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:19:12 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:19:20 -!- quackv4 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:20:52 -!- Xenobreeder|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:20:58 -!- Dixie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:22 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:29 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:25:27 -!- quackv5 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:37 -!- DarthXaos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:56 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:56 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:26:00 -!- DarthXaos2 is now known as DarthXaos 11:26:34 -!- QuranRule-com has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:32 -!- quackv4 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:22 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:22 -!- Dixlet has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- doome has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- 13WAA3PUW has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- Pacra has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- ddee has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- chaingun has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- Zauren has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- Soyweiser has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- rphillips has quit [*.net *.split] 11:28:23 -!- nCrazed has quit [*.net *.split] 11:29:00 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:00 -!- ddee has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:00 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:52 -!- C7ty1 has quit [] 11:30:24 -!- nCrazed has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:48 -!- chaingun has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:31:34 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:06 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:40:22 -!- ophanim has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:40:23 -!- twzt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:41:14 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:37 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:06 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:42:27 -!- Ainulindale has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42:27 -!- Souljazz\unfoog has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42:31 -!- Souljazz\unfoog_ is now known as Souljazz\unfoog 11:42:38 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42:39 -!- CKyle_ is now known as CKyle 11:43:12 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:43:12 -!- riot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:45:08 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47:26 <|amethyst> reading the turn-by-turn of ais523's and dwangoAC's Nethack tool-assisted speedrun... wow 11:47:45 I read that several months ago 11:47:49 pretty good read 11:48:08 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:15 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:07 -!- Half-wit has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:52:31 -!- Half-wit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:36 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:51 -!- theboxx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:53:51 -!- tJener_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:53:52 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:53:52 -!- Boxx is now known as theboxx 11:54:09 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:54:15 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58:33 todo: convince them to turn their attention to Crawl so we can bugfix relentlessly :b 12:01:56 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:19 !messages 12:02:21 No messages for bh. 12:04:01 -!- N78291 has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:04:29 can we rename hill giant to something less blah? 12:04:56 it's not like there are hills in crawl 12:05:07 How about 'giant'? 12:05:33 We have ogre, two-headed ogre, ogre mage. orc, orc wizard, orc priest 12:05:36 that's one option, yes 12:05:47 Giant, Frost Giant, Fire Giant 12:06:21 <|amethyst> Nephilim 12:07:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:38 -!- raskol has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- Ryak_ has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- keksz has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- thighhigh has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- the_glow has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- Laany has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- Nightbeer has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- TZer0 has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- sym` has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:38 -!- hurdos has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- Sizzell has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- sk3 has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- johnstein has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- Raycaster has quit [*.net *.split] 12:07:39 -!- Kaput has quit [*.net *.split] 12:08:00 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:47 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:10:23 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:16 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:11:31 Does being stoned give you anything other than dam/2? 12:12:18 ??petrification 12:12:19 petrify[1/2]: Level 4 transmutation/earth spell found in the book of hinderance and stalking. Useful for annoying monsters with low MR. Works nicely with LRD and stabbing. 12:12:22 ??petrification[2] 12:12:23 petrify[2/2]: Petrification works in two stages. First the monster is slowed down in all of its actions and cannot move away (petrifying), and when that times out it remains properly petrified (no movement or actions). The second part is similar to paralysis, except that insubstantial monsters can't be affected and that all damage is reduced by a third. 12:12:25 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:27 ??petrify[2] 12:12:28 petrify[2/2]: Petrification works in two stages. First the monster is slowed down in all of its actions and cannot move away (petrifying), and when that times out it remains properly petrified (no movement or actions). The second part is similar to paralysis, except that insubstantial monsters can't be affected and that all damage is reduced by a third. 12:12:44 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:12:46 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:12:46 -!- Overlord has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:13:23 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:13:24 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:25 -!- NotIpsum has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:14:12 <|amethyst> bh: you're also torment, have rP, etc 12:14:18 <|amethyst> bh: immune to torment 12:14:38 <|amethyst> rN+++ (even more than statue form) 12:14:45 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:55 for Grotesk self-petrify, perhaps we could give it all of the petrification effects while petrifying 12:15:43 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 12:15:44 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 12:16:50 !seen rax 12:16:50 I last saw rax at Fri May 10 20:01:10 2013 UTC (21h 15m 38s ago) saying 'I support explore_delay -1 personally but it will not _kill_ the machine if we don't get it' on ##crawl-dev. 12:18:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-696-g31a5b92 (34) 12:27:57 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:30:08 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:42 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:32:24 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33:06 -!- everett has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:50 ??chain lightning 12:33:51 chain lightning[1/2]: Level 8 conj/air in Annihilations that arcs from target to target (including leaving your sight, going around corners, etc) until it grounds out. You do not aim it. Due to its chainy nature, be prepared for it to hit you and your allies, possibly repeatedly. The arcs, including the initial casting, work most reliably on shorter distances. 12:33:56 ??chain lightning[2] 12:33:56 chain lightning[2/2]: Even without resistance and with many arcs, you'll likely never take more than 20 damage. Although useful for how it hits a lot of targets, possibly its most powerful use is when you have one single enemy standing adjacent to you. At decent power, it will often arc back and forth between you enough times to get an instant kill on ordinary enemies. 12:37:36 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:42:59 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:42:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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Use !messages to read it. 14:27:49 Right now they work fine later in the dungeon, but increasingly less so early on. 14:27:51 i always wondering why it *wasn't* like that really, other than for simplicity 14:28:00 last time i checked they were the top killer for d:13, but 12 was something else 14:28:10 !lg * recent !boring D:12 s=ckiller 14:28:11 2516 games for * (recent !boring D:12): 159x an unseen horror, 151x a hydra, 140x a hill giant, 133x Nessos, 111x a very large slime creature, 110x a cyclops, 96x a centaur, 94x a slime creature, 86x a skeletal warrior, 85x a large slime creature, 79x a player ghost, 76x a centaur warrior, 59x a yak, 56x an enormous slime creature, 52x a titanic slime creature, 51x a troll, 46x a vampire mosquito,... 14:28:13 it would be kind of neat to see a chart for that actually. monster kills per level 14:28:16 !lg * recent !boring D:13 s=ckiller 14:28:17 1607 games for * (recent !boring D:13): 254x a centaur warrior, 80x a hydra, 76x Nessos, 71x a very large slime creature, 68x a centaur, 55x an unseen horror, 52x an enormous slime creature, 52x a skeletal warrior, 49x a large slime creature, 48x a hill giant, 46x a cyclops, 46x a slime creature, 35x a titanic slime creature, 34x a player ghost, 22x a vampire mosquito, 21x a shapeshifter, 20x a ya... 14:28:23 Someone compiled such a list at one point.t 14:28:25 unseen horror really 14:28:30 s/t$// 14:28:35 hmm 14:28:49 its kind of interesting how much of a jump there is from 12->13 though 14:29:00 we need some sort of webby interface that will take sequell queries and make pretty graphs of the results 14:29:13 mumra_: we have that... 14:29:34 !lg * recent !boring d:13 s=ckiller -graph 14:29:35 1607 games for * (recent !boring d:13): http://shalott.org/graphs/dfaa21edd9c0f41fedd3758d40a56d9046ff46a6.html 14:29:46 !lg * recent !boring d:13 s=ckiller -graph:pie 14:29:47 1607 games for * (recent !boring d:13): http://shalott.org/graphs/537dac255afcd40e34706840fb54e90f5ba25d8d.html 14:29:48 yeah i mean some comprehensive page that breaks it down for every level 14:29:53 i dont know th ebest way to represent all that information 14:29:54 er 14:29:57 did that break 14:30:10 that pie looks a lot like a histogram 14:30:13 yes 14:30:17 ??lg 14:30:17 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt 14:30:32 !lg * recent !boring !won s=place,ckiller -graph 14:30:33 !lg * s=src -graph:pie 14:30:37 411129 games for * (recent !boring !won): http://shalott.org/graphs/b3497fa70c6bbbe5789bfb634caf8772870d914f.html 14:30:37 2276206 games for *: http://shalott.org/graphs/ed9cb009c45b2915eb37d07e66c249f946c41c1b.html 14:31:00 !tell greensnark -graph:pie doesn't look very pie-shaped 14:31:01 elliptic: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:32:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:51 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 14:37:28 -!- Billiem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:35 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:55 -!- SoulOfTheInterne is now known as ToBeFree 14:38:56 -!- bh has left ##crawl-dev 14:41:24 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 14:46:48 elliptic: it seems to me that what happened here is that the normal 9 depth was subjected to an extra OOD fuzz through _apply_ood (mon-place.cc:280). 14:47:51 yeah, that sounds familiar 14:48:06 so much fuzz 14:48:41 -!- epdtry has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:01 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52:16 why don't the tourney scripts respect my preferred casing 14:52:46 hmm, is it my captain's fault? 14:53:09 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 14:56:34 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00:07 <|amethyst> I spelled it SamB 15:00:08 |amethyst: You have 1 message. 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That's all controlled in the rc. duh 15:26:58 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:12 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:34 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:39 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:49 hai 15:28:59 Grunt: I think this guy is going to die. 15:29:07 I kind of wish I could communicate with them effectively :) 15:29:14 He's not in bad shape right now. 15:29:32 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has quit [Client Quit] 15:29:34 He's standing in water and fighting three monsters. He should kill the zombie and get on land 15:29:35 This is hangedman_monster_moat, for the record. 15:29:51 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:59 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:00 -!- nCrazed has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:01 -!- tJener has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:01 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:02 -!- rax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:02 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:02 I'm vastly amused by the tactics here. 15:31:03 -!- 45PAAB4MB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:03 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:03 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:04 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:09 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 15:31:20 -!- Zannick has quit [Client Quit] 15:31:35 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:40 -!- caracal has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:40 -!- Keskital1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31:47 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:55 "tactics" 15:32:33 ack. Is nickserv dead? 15:32:46 currently yes 15:32:49 freenode's kinda hosed right now, yes 15:32:59 maybe we should embed an IRC server in crawl. 15:33:01 including services 15:33:06 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:33:06 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 15:33:37 Grunt: is he just hanging out in the moat hoping for an abyss shift? 15:33:58 I doubt he knews enough about abyss for that :b 15:34:02 s/knew/know/ 15:34:32 -!- AriaB_b has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:58 "The deep dwarf scion drowns." -- that's good. 15:35:01 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:39:14 -!- voker57__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:47 ugh. that sucks 15:42:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42:07 You're hoping he's going to die, aren't you? :b 15:42:25 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 15:42:38 -!- flowsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 15:42:38 -!- AriaB has quit [*.net *.split] 15:42:39 -!- flowsnake_ is now known as flowsnake 15:43:21 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43:46 Grunt: if he dies now, it's his own fault 15:45:44 what on earth is he doing... 15:46:11 Mmmm. 15:47:12 Interesting synergy here. 15:47:24 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:47:40 rip simulacra 15:48:30 ... 15:48:52 Grunt: I bet he leaves the orb chamber to the West. 15:49:16 I don't think he's *that* stupid :b 15:49:51 He tried to Mephitic Cloud an Orb Guardian. 15:49:58 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 59-103 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 3899 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 15:49:58 %??orb guardian 15:53:00 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:32 bh: Aaaarggghhhhh! 15:53:38 !? 15:53:52 ...he left the orb chamber to the west :b 15:54:08 without the orb. 15:54:20 Maybe he wants to go do Pan :P 15:54:41 Fine by me :b 15:54:49 Grunt: I bet he goes to D:1 and loses the game :) 15:56:09 He's going to die. 15:56:24 who are you watching? 15:56:32 bupper on cszo 15:56:55 netstabbing an alich, classy 15:56:57 You carve the ancient lich like a ham!!! 15:56:58 I have to admit, catching ancient liches in nets is hilarious 15:57:21 net of holy wrath 15:57:23 Grunt: what language are they speaking, Chinese or Japanese? 15:57:27 Japanese. 15:58:21 I wouldn't even bother :) 15:58:34 -!- BrightCl1ud is now known as BrightCloud 15:58:58 Autoexploring Z:5. 15:59:04 ...in the hall. 15:59:05 Classy. 15:59:26 How is he still alive? 15:59:43 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:07 psh I always autoexplore zot 5 16:00:57 google translate is doing an... interesting job on their chat 16:01:24 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03:07 I bet he's going to do more runes now :) 16:03:52 He just wanted to get badly mutated first? 16:04:47 -!- kryft has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:26 ...haha. 16:06:14 are these mumra layouts? 16:06:20 Almost certainly. 16:06:37 they look so nice. 16:06:43 I think this one is cathedral_of_symmetry on a polar coordinate set? 16:06:55 (Z:3, that is) 16:07:01 bh: yeah thes are new ones 16:07:12 what Grunt said 16:07:13 24 scrolls of identify! 16:07:51 todo: force layouts like this one to have vaults at the centre :b 16:08:06 (Well, that would technically work in reverse, but whatever. 16:08:08 ) 16:08:19 is there an ORIENT: MIDDLE? 16:08:22 Nope. 16:08:24 or CENTER 16:08:29 Just ORIENT: float right now. 16:08:29 there should be then that'd be easy 16:08:56 if you design some central vaults for them we could place them like serial vaults pretty easily anyway 16:09:20 that could be pretty cool tbh 16:09:38 We've seen it happen by accident before. 16:09:48 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:09:51 Remember the time we say grunt_snake_rune_spiral right in the centre of a circular layout? 16:10:04 Zot:5 revamp? :P 16:10:13 Zot:5 is fine as it is right now :b 16:10:15 "We will now try to get ready for a victory lap" -- nice 16:10:23 Grunt: yeah that was awesome, i've seen a couple of other good examples too 16:10:43 Grunt: i want to do more as i was saying on that mantis tickt to make layouts integrate better with primary vaults 16:10:59 mumra: but but but but that's too difficult to bother with!!!! :) 16:11:20 Grunt: i know!! i will probably never succeed 16:11:52 Grunt: but yeah circular layouts central vaults for other Zot floors could be a bit unique 16:12:10 I wasn't thinking of Zot floors specifically, necessarily. 16:12:24 doesn't ORIENT: float already act like centre? I mean it can go along the edges, but usually it doesnt 16:12:42 dunno why you'd want to be so restrictive as to put it smack in the middle of the level 16:12:57 evilmike: the idea would be to place it as close to the centre of the map as possible (maybe with a bit of fuzz optionally). 16:13:03 evilmike: just if it's properly centered it can work best with these circular layuots 16:14:54 Not just the circular layouts :) 16:14:54 true 16:14:54 The circular layouts are probably the best example, though! 16:15:05 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:41 -!- clinew_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:06 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:07 -!- chaingun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18:08 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18:08 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18:46 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:31 -!- twzt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:31 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:31 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:31 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:31 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:31 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:43 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:43 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 16:23:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. 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SamB the Priest (L4 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, slain by a jackal on D:2 (hex_large) on 2013-05-11 21:22:52, with 181 points after 1560 turns and 0:03:33. 16:54:42 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:42 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 16:56:15 I'm so glad I know this vault is all mimics 16:59:30 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:30 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 17:00:13 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 17:00:14 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:00:26 SamB: apportation! 17:00:45 you can apport through glass now? 17:01:46 no. 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quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:55:45 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55:45 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55:46 -!- innes has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55:59 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 17:56:03 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:03 -!- Guest84993 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:03 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:48 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:50 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:52 Grunt: did you finish that swamp castle vault? 17:57:01 !vault grunt_swamp_rune_castle 17:57:06 It's been around for a while :b 17:57:13 cool :) 17:57:23 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 17:57:24 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/7896658 17:57:26 -!- elliott has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:57:41 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:43 k - a +0,+3 executioner's axe of freezing (weapon) 17:57:43 a - a +3,+5 orcish battleaxe 17:58:16 * SamB wonders which to use 17:58:54 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:59:22 -!- elliott__ is now known as elliott 17:59:46 -!- Eronarn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:48 -!- chris-oelmueller is now known as Guest40154 18:00:26 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 18:00:30 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 18:00:30 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:54 why did you renick and THEN reconnect? 18:01:41 ? I didn't. 18:02:07 SamB: that "changing host" is more a freenode hack than anything else :) 18:02:42 oh, you changed host mask so freenode made it LOOK like you reconnected 18:03:18 no, freenode virtually reconnected bh, it's how cloaks work if you don;t identify via sasl or server password 18:04:54 -!- notmadreisz is now known as lainiw 18:05:02 does being an FSF member get you anything cooler than a cloak, say a smart card? 18:05:06 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:34 -!- rast_ has quit [*.net *.split] 18:05:34 -!- eggonlegs has quit [*.net *.split] 18:05:35 -!- Guest73722 has quit [*.net *.split] 18:05:35 -!- Ero has quit [*.net *.split] 18:05:35 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [*.net *.split] 18:05:35 -!- kryft has quit [*.net *.split] 18:05:50 you get a membership card that's a USB livedisk 18:07:33 * SamB wonders if they'll send him his dollar if he ever gets around to actually submitting a GDB patch 18:07:54 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:57 (since the one I had bitrotted) 18:08:04 SamB: you become a FSF by going to a bar on weekends with some folks from the FSF. They lament that they'll lose their jobs if the FSF doesn't get more money. 18:08:21 %s/FSF by/FSF member by/ 18:09:03 * SamB still thinks the FSFe seems more attractive 18:10:37 FSFe? Why not FeSt? 18:10:45 what's that? 18:10:53 I never went to a bar :| 18:11:29 SamB: Felid Stalker? 18:11:31 * SamB has never been to a bar, either 18:12:10 (the joke was I'm an FSF member too :p) 18:12:14 I must be old. 18:12:39 yeah, my joke is that was an unqualified never 18:12:47 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:13:09 118 players on CSZO 18:13:56 thats a lot of players 18:13:58 elliptic: we should get the server admins to pull player IPs, geolocate them and make a (coarse) map 18:14:09 |amethyst: pong 18:14:26 how about just connector IPs 18:14:44 fr: PONNNNNNNG! 18:14:53 also 53 on CAO and 12 on CDO 18:14:57 that's a lot of players 18:15:01 -!- fungee^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15:15 FR: Embed an IRC client in crawl and run our own IRC server 18:15:51 spectating player_foo would put chat in #{cszo/cao/cdo}-foo 18:18:17 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 18:18:31 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:35 Exkaiser (L4 GhFi) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:2) 18:18:50 !lm Exkaiser crash -log 18:18:51 1. 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18:53:36 -!- bakafloc1aflame is now known as bakaflockaflame 18:53:37 [g] Miscellaneous [h] Food [hy] Gold 18:53:48 just sat for awhile trying to select k 18:53:53 Zannick: felid acquirement with lang=jager, I take it? 18:53:55 <_< 18:54:07 I like the [hy] :b 18:54:10 haha 18:54:43 yeah 18:54:58 the translations should really not work on inventory symbols :P 18:56:52 lol 18:57:03 well, they don't apply at all on the inventory screen 18:57:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:57:59 but in text, it's really annoying 18:59:11 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 19:00:06 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:47 The lava snake bites something. Something is engulfed in flames. 19:05:04 Zannick: s/annoying/hilarious/ 19:05:51 It explodes! 19:08:21 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:36 Wrong game :b 19:10:13 -!- Stelpa__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:10:52 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:57 -!- whig_ is now known as whig 19:12:45 -!- Chozo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:12:48 -!- LostNumber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:14:21 -!- Melum_ has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:21 -!- sildraith has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:21 -!- ketsa has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- CKyle has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- doome has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- 13WAA3PUW has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- Pacra has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- ddee has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- Zauren has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- Soyweiser has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:22 -!- rphillips has quit [*.net *.split] 19:14:38 -!- Lux717 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:15:33 Grunt: Everybody gets a netsplit! 19:16:19 !give everybody netsplit 19:16:30 !send everybody netsplit 19:16:30 !abyss freenode 19:16:31 Sending netsplit to everybody. 19:16:32 BlastHardcheese casts a spell. freenode is devoured by a tear in reality! 19:16:52 BlastHardcheese: that will probably make the problem WORSE 19:17:06 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:22:07 SamB_: Lucy will fix it 19:22:30 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:33 lucy can fix IRC networks? 19:23:35 bh: why is it called grotesk? 19:24:39 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:10 IIRC, because they are alive but gargoyles as they currently exist are not 19:26:08 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:28 grotesk is a german word, and also a font thingy 19:27:23 -!- jschuste` is now known as jschuster 19:27:24 also, why Gk? that will never make any words 19:27:40 needs to be gr 19:27:48 then at least we have Oggr 19:28:06 ^what geekosaur said 19:28:14 um, wouldn't that start with gr, not end with it? 19:28:18 oh right 19:28:19 Grotesk is cooler than grotesque 19:28:23 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:35 GrAr 19:28:49 alefury: I thought I changed it to Gr 19:28:53 GrAM, GrAs (german word) 19:28:57 Gr is not great either 19:29:10 but at least gr is also an intuitive abbreviation 19:30:09 Go makes GoWn, GoNe and GoSu (maybe korean or something?) 19:30:17 but is a bit far-fetched 19:30:40 Ge is kind of taken by GE 19:30:46 could it be sane to pay for Grotesk damage reduction with stat damage? 19:31:23 If a single blow deals a lot of damage, it takes stat damage, perhaps? 19:31:23 that would limit it a bit, but can be mitigated a lot with a ring. the potions are definitely fine. 19:31:30 kilobyte_: since you can reproduce that tiles GL rendering problem (#6467), have you tried bisecting it? It supposedly doesn't happen in 0.10 ... 19:32:40 ??talons 19:32:41 talons[1/1]: Sort of like claws, but for your feet. Levels 1 and 2 don't prevent wearing boots, but wearing boots prevents the kick attack. Level 3 prevents wearing boots. 19:33:04 they only have talons 2, right? 19:33:08 yep 19:33:46 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Old_City_Hall_Gargoyle.jpg 19:33:49 ??claws 19:33:50 claws[1/1]: +2 base unarmed damage per level and increases {punch} damage. Level 3 chops off hydra heads. The effects of claws are eliminated if you're wearing gloves, but at claws 3 you can't use the slot anyways. Counts as a butchering tool, even if you are wielding a weapon you can not or do not want to unwield. 19:34:31 "don't blink" 19:34:35 Are there any species that can't wear rings? (body slot restriction is meh) 19:35:04 no rings would be pretty crippling 19:35:38 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:39 but i guess not taking damage is kind of good, so it might work 19:36:03 no rings is really very terrible though 19:36:55 Would it be lame to say "Sustain Abilities doesn't work" Ring of Regen doesn't work on DDs 19:37:04 yes 19:37:12 not sure it would be a problem anyway 19:37:36 as long as the stat reduction happens in big chunks its probably okay 19:38:20 self petrify seems a bit risky anyway 19:38:20 ??stat loss 19:38:21 stat drain[1/2]: If a stat reaches 0 you are immediately paralysed for 2-4 turns, your speed is halved, and other unpleasant negative effects depending on the stat. After 40 turns of stat zero, random fainting starts, and after 90 turns you die. 19:38:28 ??stat loss[2] 19:38:29 stat drain[2/2]: Maximum drain from one source: 7 (necromancy miscasts, including {mummy} death curses, Zot traps, and Hell effects), 6 (divination miscasts, including {OCS} and {Sif Muna wrath}), 6 (cursed rings and randarts), 4 (degeneration) 19:38:49 ??sustain abilities 19:38:50 sustain abilities[1/1]: Cuts all statloss (from sources other than Xom draining) in half, rounding down. Cumulative effect for wearing two rings. Note that most sources are 1-point, so it completely negates e.g. sickness and deterioration. 19:39:18 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 19:40:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40:12 could drain a random stat by 2-4 when you come out of petrification 19:40:42 given their crappy dex, that could get really dangerous. 19:40:50 well, yes 19:41:07 its probably higher than 5, though 19:41:21 so if your dex is full you should usually be able to safely petrify yourself 19:41:55 -!- s951 has quit [Client Quit] 19:42:11 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:33 is self-petrification like... actually a thing? 19:42:39 or is this for something theoretical? 19:42:59 bh's new species 19:43:00 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7966 19:43:00 ontoclasm: it's for a race bh is designing. 19:43:03 ontoclasm: Grotesk race, https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7966&p=107795#p107795 19:43:04 !tell kilobyte since you can reproduce that tiles GL rendering problem (#6467), have you tried bisecting it? It supposedly doesn't happen in 0.10.0 ... 19:43:05 SamB_: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 19:43:10 ??bh 19:43:10 bh[1/2]: When it comes to stupid ideas, I'm your man. 19:43:15 Sounds like berserk to me. 19:43:32 Bloax: it's berserk for defence. 19:43:33 Except less "die horribly afterwards" and more "you might die helplessly afterwards". 19:43:36 So yeah. 19:43:41 i see 19:43:47 Either way sounds interesting. 19:43:56 GrBe. 19:44:05 petrifying berserker 19:44:19 double trouble is always worth the trouble 19:44:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:43 * SamB_ likes ??bh[2] 19:44:49 ??bh[2] 19:44:50 bh[2/2]: He's very sorry that you drowned in the abyss. 19:44:52 oh right 19:44:56 haha 19:45:58 So I made this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ThePhantomMenacer3.png 19:46:05 Except there's one little problem about it. 19:46:14 -!- theboxx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:05 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:06 -!- whig_ is now known as whig 19:47:10 Which may or may not be that it's absolutely colossal compared to everything else. 19:49:33 -!- Stelpa__ is now known as Stelpa 19:49:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 19:49:48 multi-tile panlord, duh 19:49:59 Bigtileus, everyone's new favorite friend! 19:50:40 !send bh the Hellspider 19:50:41 Sending the Hellspider to bh. 19:50:45 -!- Chozo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:51:07 0.13: Presenting Bigtileus 19:51:21 Your favorite haunting ghost after clearing Tomb. 19:51:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:13 fr: an invincible creature starts chasing you after the orb grab <_< 19:52:39 Yizard of Wendor 19:52:57 ...the spirint of the gnomic archmage Zot, obviously. 19:53:00 (Not related to the Wizard of Yendor in any way.) 19:53:09 doctor zott, phd 19:53:51 Ph.D. in Fuckyouupology 19:54:21 A fine art only known by a closed circle of super secret villains. 19:55:41 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:14 Let's just get rid of the Orb run. You win when you get the Orb. No one has ever died during the Orb run. 19:57:15 * bh looks around nervously. 20:05:43 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:43 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 20:05:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 20:05:44 Because of certain musical references. 20:05:47 -!- ColdPie_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:47 (everyone likes iron maiden references right) 20:05:47 -!- wh1te has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:47 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:55 -!- 13WAA3UFZ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:55 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:55 -!- ddee has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:31 -!- ChrisOelmueller is now known as Guest95646 20:06:32 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:32 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Changing host] 20:06:35 -!- [1]AtomikKrab is now known as AtomikKrab 20:06:35 -!- thighhigh_ is now known as thighhigh 20:06:37 and you thought netsplits were bad! 20:06:37 A Hell Sentinel comes into view. 20:06:37 -!- oberstein is now known as Guest13687 20:06:38 The Hell Sentinel gestures. The hellfire explodes! The hellfire engulfs bh! 20:06:38 You gave into the crystal ball.. 20:06:38 You feel drained. 20:06:38 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 20:06:38 -!- 13WAA3UFZ is now known as MarvinPA 20:06:38 gaze* what 20:06:40 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:42 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 20:08:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:09:58 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:58 -!- Nakalein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:54 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:32 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 20:19:50 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:58 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:58 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 20:19:58 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:53 -!- sym` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:25:45 -!- Sealer has quit [] 20:29:30 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:32 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:31:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:31:45 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:55 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:36:04 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36:23 -!- bh has quit [Quit: irc is on fire.] 20:36:42 -!- SchwaWarrior has quit [Quit: :) :) :)] 20:43:35 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:50 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:39 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:42 -!- Frogz has quit [] 20:56:41 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 20:56:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:05 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:17 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:04:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:09 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:06:52 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:39 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:33 !vault dpeg_entry_caged_fury 21:09:41 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/7897152 21:10:10 ^ this entry can generate with sentient monsters behind the door which then open the door and you get killed by everything 21:10:30 it also has a small chance of a jelly which would i guess eat the door and have the same effect 21:10:39 i thought runed doors couldn't be opened by monsters or eaten by jellies 21:10:57 if it was a runed door, you would have a point ;) 21:11:07 i thought = was the glyph for runed door? 21:11:24 oh yeah 21:11:33 maybe it's just a 0.11 bug 21:11:51 speaking of which are there branches and layouts which remove runed doors from vaults, i could never seem to get them working in Vaults 21:11:53 a kobold spawned inside there and opened the door 21:12:11 well, it's probably for the best to get the murders out of the way quickly 21:12:31 generally vaults like this have been fixed i think 21:12:54 anyway regarding your question: this sounds like the problems we were having in zigs, i can't remember the specifics but it was something to do with runed doors 21:13:06 and that uses the same vault placement function calls as Vaults 21:13:12 hm! i see 21:13:40 firstly what i'd suggest is we have a vault tag to say if the outer doors should be runed or not 21:13:51 then the layout generator can handle this properly anyway. 21:14:31 Well that was 21:14:32 intense 21:14:40 So like. 21:14:46 Being chased by ice beast with no mp. 21:14:53 Suddenly orc party with priest. 21:15:06 Suddenly make imps to gank priest. 21:15:10 Suddenly 17 hp. 21:15:20 Suddenly make priest invisible due to random effects wand. (oops) 21:15:29 Suddenly fireball to face due to unid'd wand. 21:15:32 SUDDENLY 1 hp. 21:15:35 nicolae-: have you tried runed doors in V in the latest 0.13 btw? it's possible that dracoomega or samb managed to fix that or something, i'm really fuzzy on the details of what we did 21:15:44 And suddenly finish priest with wand of magic darts. 21:15:52 also oh sorry 21:15:56 wronk fucking channel 21:15:58 :( 21:16:37 mumra: runed doors were fixed in portals, zigs, and sprints at least 21:16:57 -!- evilmike has quit [] 21:16:58 i assume the V problem was the same as zigs 21:17:57 mumra: not yet, no, i haven't made any vaultsvaults in 0.13 yet 21:18:32 nicolae-: good, you should be too busy making dragonsden to do that ;) 21:19:40 :I 21:20:28 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:12 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:22:00 i've mostly just been thinking about it i haven't actually put anything down in a file 21:22:32 most of it is that i don't play stealth characters very often or well, so i'm not sure what kinds of level designs would be conducive to a stealthy approach 21:22:36 SamB: maybe that didn't get cherry-picked? a kobold escaped from that entry vault on 0.11.2 21:22:59 mumra: very likely 21:23:07 nicolae-: or more importantly, what kind of designs would make a stealthy approach challenging 21:24:37 -!- oddsox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:28:41 -!- palyth_temp is now known as Palyth 21:31:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:17 are things back to normal? 21:31:39 in what sense of "normal"? 21:31:42 !abyss things 21:31:46 Grunt casts a spell. things is devoured by a tear in reality! 21:31:53 * Grunt summons horrible things in place of normal things. 21:32:10 mumra: well, that too 21:32:23 bh: the tourney is still on 21:32:37 so, why would things be expected to be normal? 21:33:23 SamB: I wish we could divide a character up across the team 21:33:38 An opener gets the character to level 7, a mid-gamer gets it to 15, and the closer wins it 21:35:03 i suppose i should just do up a mockup level or two and run it up the flagpole 21:35:19 * Grunt runs nicolae- up the flagpole. 21:36:28 joke's on you this is where i wanted to be all along! 21:36:35 haha from up here i can see the world 21:41:42 bh: it probably doesn't specify anything in the rules about playing each others accounts ;) 21:42:13 we're gonna have to use whatever filthy dev tricks we can to win this 21:42:16 there is actually a team basically doing that 21:42:18 mumra: that would invovle exchanging passwords 21:42:28 want to make some new accounts? 21:42:29 except they made new accounts to do it 21:43:04 hmm 21:43:06 too late now 21:43:07 (ok, I admit it. I hate the early game. I murder my own characters out of boredom) 21:43:31 Boredom can happen in the late game too! 21:43:39 I had a GhWz die of terminal boredom sometime in Tomb. 21:43:39 mumra: clearly, what should be done is have a specially coded entry vault that reads the character's name and dumps a bunch of randarts at their feet if the username is "mumra" or whatever 21:43:56 nicolae-: uuddlrlrbastart 21:44:08 and then hide it inside a boring commit about making more variables const or whatever 21:44:35 nicolae-: write a RNG in lua that examines the player's name 21:44:48 yes i'd have to be super sneaky about it 21:44:48 itym kkjjhlhl 21:44:57 haha 21:45:11 almost as sneaky as i'm planning with the super secret swamp layouts 21:45:14 "Seed the RNG with some entropy" -- then use turn, time, whatever, player name (last) and have the last entry stomp everything before hand 21:45:25 haha 21:45:53 malicious vault contest, who can make a vault best geared to cheating but without being obvious about it 21:46:11 "malicious vault" generally means something completely different :b 21:46:40 well, there used to be a malicious code contest on the internet 21:46:42 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:46:57 or i guess it was the Underhanded C contest http://underhanded.xcott.com/ 21:46:57 but whatever 21:47:18 underhanded vault contest. 21:48:52 not the International Obfuscated C Coding Contest? 21:49:00 that's also a good one 21:49:12 Zannick: you met a1k0n, right? 21:49:22 one time i thought about proposing an obfuscated vault contest but then i remembered hangedman exists, so 21:49:24 bh: yeah 21:49:33 I guess the underhanded one is supposed to sneak something past, rather than just being totally unobvious? 21:49:35 he was an IOCCC winner 21:49:42 lolz 21:49:45 not too surprising 21:50:09 He made a raytraced rotating ascii torus 21:50:15 the source was in the shape of a donut 21:50:17 -!- codile has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:51:39 SamB: yeah, the underhanded contest gives you an innocuous program to make and then a specific sort of malicious use, like deleting a specified record, without it being obvious that that's what the code does 21:55:53 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:57:39 -!- ihdpa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:00:34 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:05:42 -!- juicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:06:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:13 -!- ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 22:09:19 Also does this guy suck hard enough?: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ShadowDemod2.png 22:09:22 Because I'm not sure. 22:19:10 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:19:59 -!- LostNumber has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:27:08 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:58 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:09 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:34 nicolae-: to be honest I am pretty sure that dpeg has made vaults a lot worse than mine in terms of readability 22:30:09 !vault dpeg_entry_water_fire 22:30:12 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/7897326 22:30:20 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:12 (see also http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/twisted.des;h=843512118727541d05fd2483d896c40610ff4fc1#l11) 22:32:19 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:32:20 <|amethyst> re geoip... I don't have a geoip database with resolution finer than country, and it's not really easy to distinguish players from watchers, but 22:32:20 okay, fair enough 22:32:40 at least I could explain to you what the average vault of mine does 22:32:58 would probably have to pay experts to understand dpeg_entry_thieves 22:33:26 <|amethyst> 2248 US, 311 unknown, 301 RU, 210 GB, 174 CA, 154 JP, 116 DE, 92 FI, 62 SE 22:34:37 <|amethyst> for CSZO on 2013-05-11 (webtiles plus ssh) 22:35:37 ??splint mail 22:35:38 -!- Zelda has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:35:38 splint mail[1/2]: +8 ac -5 ev. doesnt exist but its okay because it wasnt very good 22:35:45 ??plate mail 22:35:46 plate armour[1/1]: +10 ac -6 ev. Weighs 65.0 aum. 22:35:52 ??chain mail 22:35:53 chain mail[1/1]: 7 AC, -4 EV. 22:36:15 <|amethyst> ssh only: 420 US, 48 CA, 38 UK, 29 unknown, 14 DE, 10 FI 22:36:22 tisk tisk tisk, ev isn't encumbrance 22:36:25 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 22:36:36 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:36:54 <|amethyst> s/UK/GB/ 22:39:50 |amethyst: if I have travel delay at 0 instead of -1, is that still better for the servers than 20? 22:41:39 rchandra: no, probably worse 22:41:49 oh :( 22:41:58 rchandra: but it shouldn't make a big impact on a person-by-person basis 22:42:35 well I prefer a bigger number than 0, I think. just can't handle -1 though 22:43:19 yeah 5-10 seemed pretty good 22:43:26 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 22:43:48 but i'm playing on -1, it's worth it to play faster 22:44:20 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:20 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Changing host] 22:44:20 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:08 <|amethyst> the difference between 0 and 20 is probably negligible, but as mumra said 0 is probably slightly higher on CPU usage 22:46:35 <|amethyst> (and instantaneous bandwidth usage) 22:47:32 <|amethyst> The biggest savings from -1 is the reduced ttyrec size (bandwidth, disk I/O, etc) 22:51:15 <|amethyst> s/from/with/ 22:51:26 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:33 "from" Does work in that context. 22:51:42 Since it's the savings from using -1 22:51:59 English is quirky. 22:52:18 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:52:47 <|amethyst> Bloax: "from" could also mean "over" though 22:52:56 <|amethyst> which is why I clarified 22:53:31 That would be yet another quirk. 22:53:38 And a very unlikely one at that. :q 22:54:44 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:27 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:57:47 <|amethyst> anyway, I'm off for now. Night/morning/day/evening 22:58:07 solution: tell crawl to not record the tty during autotravel 22:58:38 datty whats tty 22:59:37 lol just grab it and go salivanth :) 22:59:45 sorry, wrong channel 23:01:37 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:37 rchandra: I don't know that I'd particularly like that 23:03:41 -!- tgcid_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:46 mumra: I really find -1 or even +1 jarring, especially on tinyterm 23:04:29 SamB: i did before i got used to it, but tbh now i find it far less jarring than having to wait for autoexplore all the time 23:05:15 anyway i wouldn't object to changing the default back to a positive value, but leave travel_delay at -1 23:06:10 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:35 FR: trog's book burning should burn book mimics 23:06:55 it doesn't? 23:07:22 nope 23:07:47 do you mean exposed book mimics 23:07:56 or even ones that are lying on the ground 23:08:19 mumra: yeah once the starving thing is changed I'd be happy to have travel_delay at -1 23:12:10 Azrael (04R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 88 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 12 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(44), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 1588 | Sp: b.fire (3d20), sticky flame range (3d5), fireball (3d20), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:12:10 %??azrael 23:12:35 unknown monster: "baelzebub" 23:12:35 %??baelzebub 23:12:57 Awakening crypt entrance "ERROR: Triggerable already removed" by raskol 23:14:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 23:15:27 beelzubeb, unique demon with summon insects 23:15:31 beelzebub rather 23:15:49 Unknown spell name: 'summon insects' in 'summon_insects' 23:15:49 %??hell lord name:beelzebub spells:summon_insects actual_spells 23:15:55 beelzebub (11&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 139-213 | AC/EV: 1/2 | Dam: 5 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(126), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4171 | Sp: swarm | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:15:55 %??hell lord name:beelzebub spells:summon_swarm actual_spells 23:16:40 bug themed demon 23:16:56 You see here a BUGGY demon. 23:16:57 vampiric venomous sting, flies, summons bugs 23:18:09 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:20:17 greater naga (13N) | Spd: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 15 | HP: 65-102 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 703(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1682 | Sp: b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), haste, poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:20:17 %??greater naga 23:20:44 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 23:21:17 ??bloodstained spear 23:21:17 I don't have a page labeled bloodstained_spear in my learndb. 23:22:10 Lamia (06N) | Spd: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 18 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 40, 1203(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 04eats corpses, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 3976 | Sp: destruction orb (8d16), mesmerise, haste, poison arrow (3d25), teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:22:10 %??lamia 23:22:34 oh god, this isn't ##crawl... 23:22:40 doh 23:23:55 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:24:10 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24:51 Wensley: you didn't notice the lack of endless Henzell/etc. messages? 23:26:05 -!- metasyntactic is now known as kunwon1 23:28:38 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:30:35 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 23:33:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:25 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:45:11 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:33 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:02 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 23:51:36 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:58 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]