00:04:39 mumra, thank you for the comments on the god proposal 00:05:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05:29 -!- sym has quit [] 00:05:47 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.1-10-gec975b2 00:08:25 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.1-10-gec975b2 (34) 00:11:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-678-g8ea23db (34) 00:12:45 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:04 great -- grotesk can petrify themselves. Time to make them do something while petrifying 00:13:10 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-678-g8ea23db (34) 00:16:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:16:27 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 00:18:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:18:48 is sprint broken? "/crawl-master/crawl-git-8ea23db6bd/data/dat/des/builder/layout_cellular.des:8: Can't find "dlua/layout/layout.lua" 00:20:54 mumra: -^ 00:21:53 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:06 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:26:10 crash on start by rchandra 00:28:04 hm, I wonder whether mumra forgot to git add a file? 00:28:07 Im getting the same one 00:29:58 I could revert that and press the rebuild button for CSZO (though not CDO), but I'd rather wait a bit first to see whether mumra is around 00:30:13 elliptic: it's 06:30, he's probably at work 00:30:24 !seen mumra 00:30:25 I last saw mumra at Fri May 10 03:35:06 2013 UTC (1h 55m 18s ago) saying 'tongue attack covers monsters in goo' on ##crawl-dev. 00:30:33 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:30:33 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:31:12 03bh 07[gargoyle] * 0.13-a0-636-g78df991: Grotesk Self-Petrification 10(4 minutes ago, 10 files, 50+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78df991bbd0c 00:31:14 (or heading there) 00:35:12 !tell mumra 8ea23db6bd was missing dlua/layout/layout.lua, so I reverted it 00:35:14 bh: OK, I'll let mumra know. 00:35:41 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:17 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-679-g2163700: Revert "Fix corners algorithm of layout_gridlike and add some fills" 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 76-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2163700d26e8 00:36:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-679-g2163700 (34) 00:38:42 elliptic: I've come to strongly embrace rollback instead of rollforward, even in those instances where everything looks like it should work 00:41:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:41:33 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:04 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:38 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44:07 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the 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*.split] 03:59:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- Moredread has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- Zauren has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- hart has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- neuwiz has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 03:59:06 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 04:00:28 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 04:00:34 Napkin: got a problem with resuming my saved gamed as Gandelf on CDO: /crawl-svn-8ea23db/dat/des/builder/layout_cellular.des:8: Can't find "dlua/layout/layout.lua" - it just returns to menu then. I don't mind the game being lost, but I can't start a new game in trunk neither. 04:01:02 -!- SwissStopwatch is now known as 20WACDS0P 04:01:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:08 -!- 16WAAVTNT has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:08 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:08 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:19 checking 04:01:20 Napkin: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 04:01:21 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:01:24 -!- 20WACDS0P is now known as SwissStopwatch 04:01:55 -!- Zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:03:23 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:03:28 hmm, none of the trunk versions have a layout.lua 04:03:49 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:04:11 -!- 16WAAVTNT has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:04:28 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 04:05:03 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:05:29 SevenDeadlySins (L10 MiGl) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3664: Invalid staff type: 12 (D:10) 04:06:26 8ea23db6 (Pete Hurst 2013-05-10 04:15:06 +0100 8) : require("dlua/layout/layout.lua") 04:07:59 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-679-g2163700 (34) 04:08:07 try again, blackpenguin 04:08:37 Napkin: works! thanks :) 04:08:44 np :) 04:09:12 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:14:46 -!- ChongLi_ has quit [Client Quit] 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Use !messages to read it. 09:25:34 !message 09:25:36 !messages 09:25:37 (1/1) bh said (8h 50m 24s ago): 8ea23db6bd was missing dlua/layout/layout.lua, so I reverted it 09:26:57 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:28:01 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:16 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:12 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-680-gf3ee610: Fix corners algorithm of layout_gridlike and add some fills 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 76+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3ee610b064e 09:29:12 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-681-g6e2ef16: Fix corners algorithm of layout_gridlike and add some fills 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e2ef1664302 09:31:04 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:56 !tell bh thanks, forgot to add a file, oh and ahh git confusion, anyway it works now 09:31:57 mumra: OK, I'll let bh know. 09:35:26 !tell tenofswords you probably shouldn't get wound up by totally minor things ... and i'm not even sure what you're saying, it was just a description tweak ...? (note: it was my vault originally and i approve of the changes that were made) 09:35:28 mumra: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 09:37:18 !tell DracoOmega I'm thinking a big problem with spellcasting badforms is that this punishes melee/ranged builds far more than spellcasting ones... 09:37:19 mumra: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 09:37:42 -!- 64MAC0KKG is now known as Guest 09:40:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:42:07 didn't that vault already have a custom desc anyway (but not a custom name (maybe hangedman missed that it is a dbname)) 09:42:52 MarvinPA: yeah kilobyte moved the description into the db text file is all (then tweaked the description a little and muted and muted the wizard in a separate commit) 09:43:17 hangedman might have missed the dbname part, true 09:56:33 -!- hart_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:25 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:58:58 -!- Keskital1 is now known as Keskitalo 10:00:25 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:20 Tourney already? 10:02:01 9 hours till it starts i think? 10:02:17 !time 10:02:19 Time: May 10, 2013, 03:02:18 PM, UTC. The 2013 0.12 tournament starts in 8 hours, 57 minutes and 41 seconds. 10:03:19 what!! 10:03:26 and cool, also 10:03:31 i need a team ;P 10:03:35 haha 10:04:17 maybe there should be a post on the cdo news 10:04:27 oh nm 10:04:41 mhm 10:04:48 thanks elliptic 10:05:46 so what do people here think of quickly changing the default travel_delay (and maybe explore_delay too) to -1 before tourney start? 10:06:22 I'm for it 10:06:27 people might be confused at first, but it will probably be okay 10:06:30 (on the servers) 10:07:38 oh 10:07:39 rax: You have 16 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:07:40 is that not done? 10:07:44 hahah henzell nice try 10:08:04 default travel_delay should absolutely be -1 on all servers at all times 10:08:16 if it's not that's a bug as far as I am concerned the difference is huge 10:08:51 other than modifying people's config files, is there a clever way to do that? 10:09:03 in old versions the default config file just got edited before anyone played, but we're obviously too late for that 10:11:18 the default config file is empty now 10:11:18 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:11:19 probably the default can just be changed in initfile.cc (by checking if the build is DGL or something) 10:11:26 so changing the defaults in code will do it 10:11:34 is there an #ifdef to use for server builds? 10:11:41 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:32 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:36 DGAMELAUNCH 10:12:45 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 10:13:40 should show_travel_trail also default to true then? will probably help users that didn't use travel_delay=-1 before, and annoy the ones that did 10:14:03 so do we want to leave an explore_delay, or do we want show_travel_trail = true? 10:14:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:14:36 #if defined(DGAMELAUNCH) || defined(USE_TILE_WEB) 10:14:46 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:55 webtiles builds on servers also use DGAMELAUNCH usually 10:15:01 ok 10:15:30 (and they're unified on CAO and CSZO anyway) 10:15:47 do trails trail work for travel_delay travel as well? i think it should be enabled anyway 10:16:37 we could try autoexplore_delay and see whether it gets complaints or not :) 10:17:01 I would bet there will be complaints ;) 10:17:10 I think that there will be complaints regardless 10:17:18 so let's set all delays to -1 10:17:33 people can change them back anyway 10:17:34 and turn on the trail so we are upsetting people more equally or something 10:18:05 most people don't even know the trail exists, maybe they will like it 10:18:21 -!- SaintWacko_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:18:27 also, people who used travel_delay=-1 before should know how to disable the trail 10:19:15 i think seeing which exactly which route you approached from is much too useful information to throw away by default; if you're experienced then you can see exactly what route was taken from the map, but e.g. new players won't have a clue 10:19:34 right 10:19:49 Make Fedhas plant protection more consistent by rebthor 10:20:48 -!- rwbarton has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:20:52 -!- rwbarton_ is now known as rwbarton 10:20:55 so who wants to make the commit? ;) 10:21:27 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:32 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:49 I can do it if it is just a matter of #ifdef DGAMELAUNCH 10:23:49 I guess some documentation should mention it too... 10:24:29 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24:44 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:38 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:18 elliptic: i also made the changes here, if you haven't done it yet i can push this 10:28:23 i was trying to add a rest_delay as well 10:28:45 I haven't yet, was just beginning to 10:28:50 so thanks for telling me :) 10:29:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:29:56 Bad item: staff of bugginess by VictorG 10:30:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:40 mumra: I don't know the delay code well enough to know how easy that is 10:32:19 elliptic: i think i've done it, just compiling 10:32:23 cool 10:37:52 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:58 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:46 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:38:56 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:44:05 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:50 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:59 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 10:49:18 mumra: remember to also put it into 0.12 10:52:10 -!- hart has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:55:32 alefury: yes, will do 11:01:47 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:26 it's always bothered me that autopickup turns off when you're hit by an invisible monster, then doesn't turn on again automatically unless you kill it 11:02:40 for example, when you escape it by going crosslevel, you have to manually reenable 11:04:10 yay b76263150f 11:04:20 %git b76263150f 11:04:20 03MarvinPA * 0.13-a0-613-gb762631: Rename Summon Small Mammals to Summon Small Mammal 10(4 days ago, 20 files, 35+ 44-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b76263150feb 11:04:44 Oh, I'm that far behind reading the commit messages 11:04:51 -!- EvilGrin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:05:21 Too busy :/ 11:09:32 -!- ChongLi_ is now known as ChongLi 11:11:39 how does the default init.txt get generated anyway? 11:14:04 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:55 hmm, anyone have any idea why i can't make rest_travel work? i've checked for it in the same places where explore_delay and travel_delay prevent screen updates but it's still not working 11:15:15 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:16 mumra: hm, I guess this is inside _get_running_command()? 11:16:35 elliptic: that's where explore_delay and travel_delay *add* their delay 11:16:55 oh 11:17:08 but it's in viewwindow(...) in view.cc where it checks whether to skip rendering the view 11:22:01 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:59 this is the patch: http://sprunge.us/KZOd 11:23:35 is viewwindow triggered from different places depending on whether you're running or resting i wonder? 11:25:22 when i set rest_delay to -1 in my settings the stats area is still updating, but travel_delay manages to stop stats updating as well 11:25:41 -!- Guest32100 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:26:19 I think resting may already be special-cased to only redraw the stats? 11:29:06 oh, maybe 11:30:14 I can't find it so far though, maybe I'm misremembering 11:31:01 edlothiol: that sounds right to me 11:32:35 there's a tiles.redraw in _get_running_command for resting though 11:33:36 edlothiol: thanks, i missed that 11:34:28 it would still be nice to stop stats updating of course 11:34:49 since it can take several seconds to rest sometimes (even in local console) 11:35:47 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:39:33 !time 11:39:34 Time: May 10, 2013, 04:39:34 PM, UTC. The 2013 0.12 tournament starts in 7 hours, 20 minutes and 25 seconds. 11:42:21 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 11:43:56 I guess maybe it would take that long to rest even without the stats updating? I don't actually know whether that is the problem there 11:47:07 it'll make more difference on webtiles 11:47:15 it definitely makes a small difference locally 11:47:19 anyway it's working now and pushed 11:47:40 so it should autobuild before the tournament? Or do we need to go push buttons somewhre? 11:47:44 (sorry I vanished for a while, work) 11:48:21 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:55 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 11:49:36 <|amethyst> !time 11:49:37 Time: May 10, 2013, 04:49:37 PM, UTC. The 2013 0.12 tournament starts in 7 hours, 10 minutes and 22 seconds. 11:49:40 <|amethyst> wouldn 11:49:49 <|amethyst> wouldn't hurt to trigger rebuilds 11:49:50 <|amethyst> ??rebuild 11:49:51 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 11:50:10 whoah I can just trigger a rebuild from the web?? 11:50:31 rax: nowadays any dev can trigger rebuilds for CAO/CSZO, yeah, |amethyst is awesome :) 11:50:33 <|amethyst> you have to have an account 11:50:42 THIS IS THE BEST 11:50:45 <|amethyst> you definitely have one for cao :) 11:50:52 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-682-g519f4dc: Default delays to -1 on servers and add a rest_delay 10(29 minutes ago, 4 files, 26+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=519f4dc64776 11:50:54 if the server itself is modified that needs a manual restart 11:51:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:14 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:51:20 oh man this is amazing 11:51:29 I have started an 0.12 rebuild, I will poke trunk later 11:51:31 thank you! 11:51:42 <|amethyst> oh 11:51:49 it's not cherry-picked yet 11:51:50 <|amethyst> mumra: did you backport already? 11:51:53 nope 11:51:58 oh 11:51:59 well 11:52:00 i'm just checking .12 builds and works and stuff first 11:52:02 I will do another one later then :P 11:52:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:52:03 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:52:16 <|amethyst> have fun, back to work for me 11:52:40 <|amethyst> I'll see if I can regain the tourney combo hs title this year 11:54:13 <|amethyst> (probably not now that people are actually competing over it) 11:55:10 I might actually play :D 11:55:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-682-g519f4dc (34) 11:55:37 backported now 11:58:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:28 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.1-11-g970af5d 11:58:31 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.1-11-g970af5d 11:58:59 building .12 on s-z as well, probably good to check nothing is horiffically broken this soon before the tournie ;) 11:59:58 otherwise the players will find it for you ;) 12:01:03 03mumra 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12.1-11-g970af5d: Default delays to -1 on servers and add a rest_delay 10(39 minutes ago, 4 files, 26+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=970af5d97f7e 12:02:01 rest_delay is really nice 12:02:08 i highly recommend it 12:04:26 -!- nsillik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:04:26 -!- nsillik_ is now known as nsillik 12:07:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-682-g519f4dc (34) 12:09:16 mumra: hm, rest_delay doesn't seem to be doing anything 12:09:24 on console? 12:09:27 or at least, I can still see my health go up 12:09:29 it works for me on webtiles 12:09:29 cszo console 12:09:38 hmm, maybe i need another condition for console3 12:10:44 well, it looks like you only added a check for rest_delay inside the #ifdef USE_TILE in _get_running_command() 12:11:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:12:58 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:17:32 -!- inpho has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:32 i can't see how travel_delay *stop* the stats area updating in console 12:21:31 edlothiol: is there anything else i needed to do for webtiles for rest_delay? it definitely happens quicker but it's not instant, did i stop all the messages being sent that i could possibly do? 12:24:56 elliptic: does it still seem a bit faster to you though? 12:26:30 mumra: yes, I think the remaining delay is just normal resting lag 12:26:34 mumra: well, looking at the commit it doesn't look like it could have changed anything in console 12:26:48 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:49 mumra: you can check what messages get sent to the client by setting log_messages=true in the javascript console 12:27:20 elliptic: well it has an effect everything that running / travel_delay do 12:27:27 s/everything/everywhere 12:27:32 mumra: ? 12:28:13 mumra: I mean, if rest_delay is set to <= 0, then the behavior from before and after should be the same 12:28:20 in console 12:28:37 since the only place anything happens is inside an ifdef for tiles 12:28:57 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 12:28:57 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:23 yeah you're right ... there was another check that i removed before because it looked like it would be true for resting anyway 12:29:29 maybe i'm missing something somewhere 12:29:44 how does a console redraw get triggered vs a tiles one? 12:29:57 maybe travel_delay = -1 doesn't stop stat updates either? let me test that 12:30:39 it seems to as far as i can tell 12:32:12 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:24 mumra: no, stats still seem to update while traveling 12:32:31 ahh 12:32:33 it just usually isn't noticeable because traveling is fast 12:33:32 the only thing that seems really slow anyway is redrawing the main pane, with butterflies or smoke or whatever 12:34:04 though I guess it isn't actually drawing that so I don't know 12:34:13 yeah, resting in console feels as fast as webtiles with delay -1 tbh 12:34:14 -!- inpho_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:35:00 -!- inpho__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:06 I still feel like stats shouldn't be updating with delay -1, but it's not a big deal 12:35:14 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:14 -!- inpho__ is now known as inpho 12:35:24 and it might be consistent for travel/rest right now 12:36:01 (and tiles vs console) 12:36:05 yeah 12:36:37 oh console the overhead of that redraw will be tiny, it's much bigger on webtiles because updating the browser window etc. 12:37:44 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:00 -!- Demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:41 -!- nsillik has quit [Quit: nsillik] 12:46:00 -!- Petriefied has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:49:19 i made an announcement on the tavern about the settings change but maybe it's a noticable enough change for most players that there should be a blog post? 12:49:57 since it's kind of linked to webtiles performance and tournament hospitality 12:50:04 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:50:04 -!- inpho_ is now known as inpho 12:50:34 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:08 -!- dmvrsh has quit [Changing host] 12:51:08 -!- dmvrsh has quit [Changing host] 12:51:32 -!- theboxx is now known as boxx 12:52:45 good idea 12:52:52 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:53:14 -!- boxx is now known as theboxx 12:54:53 are you doing it? i don't have blog privileges 12:55:03 at least i don't think i have a blog login at all 12:57:00 I'm about to leave for several hours, so I can't do it now 12:57:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:00 probably someone else can post things (marvinpa for instance if he is around) 12:58:18 i can, yeah 12:58:28 cool 12:58:30 want me to just copy the tavern post? 12:59:21 maybe it could mention the packeting changes as well for webtiles players 13:00:29 ok, but i have no idea what those are :P 13:01:32 i just updated the post 13:02:01 aha 13:03:13 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 13:03:30 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:05:57 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:59 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:42 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:42 oh right it helps if i click publish 13:17:37 heh 13:18:31 haha this was fast 13:18:32 http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/1e2yr0/dcss_can_you_revert_the_new_autoexplore_in_trunk/ 13:18:52 raises a valid point though, haloes are an issue still 13:19:05 explore really needs to stop when one comes into view 13:19:18 -!- dmvrsh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:19:49 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:19:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:19 i guess the tavern/blog posts should maybe explain about the settings file so people can change the setting back ... 13:22:53 haloes were a problem anyway autoexplore doesn't respond instantly to a keypress usually anyway 13:23:50 -!- mizu_no__ has quit [Client Quit] 13:24:20 i think that's just a webtiles thing 13:24:22 but yeah 13:24:25 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:24:51 autoexplore interrupt is pretty laggy on console here 13:24:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:25:14 also you have to react ninja fast even if the lag isn't bad 13:25:21 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:25:37 the tricky part is if we displayed "comes into view" messages for haloes it could get quite messy 13:28:49 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:35 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130509031047]] 13:30:34 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 13:31:45 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:30 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:30 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 13:32:30 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:48 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:44 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47:27 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-683-g16adda4: Update options_guide.txt and init.txt 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16adda403385 13:47:59 mumra: "How long restint waits" :P 13:49:12 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49:29 oh damn :( 13:52:18 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:52:28 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:56:00 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:36 -!- inpho has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:55 question: should we prevent travel/resting completely with a halo in sight 13:57:56 mumra: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:58:16 or treat it more like an interesting item has come into view; stop travel but let them start again 13:58:26 !messages 13:58:28 (1/2) tenofswords said (3h 49m 51s ago): that is not the point 13:59:15 the latter seems fine to me 13:59:41 since it could be unreachable and behind a wall or whatever 14:00:58 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:03:18 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:20 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:32 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:52 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:28 -!- TZer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:51 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:14:34 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:09 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:18 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:25 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:44 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:28 -!- Perkol has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22:53 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-684-g8523f04: Don't mark invisibility as useless while corona'd 10(2 days ago, 6 files, 16+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8523f043be4c 14:22:53 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-685-g27633c9: Remove 5s and other weak monsters from Pan monster lists 10(56 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 32-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=27633c9160bb 14:22:53 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-686-g0a19e49: Remove a comment 10(55 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a19e491cb89 14:22:53 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-687-g4388732: Remove small abominations from executioner bands 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4388732bda05 14:22:53 03edlothiol 07* 0.13-a0-688-gb88a3eb: Make Webtiles messages proper JSON again (rwbarton). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b88a3eb50b85 14:24:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:26 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:26:50 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 14:27:57 03edlothiol 07* 0.13-a0-689-g7593dc9: Remove two unnecessary spaces. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7593dc97ae02 14:28:43 damn ... tried to fix autoexplore/halos but this implementation sucks 14:28:58 is there a way to tell who owns a halo? 14:29:14 since i think some halo types (halo/sanctuary) are used by monsters as well? 14:29:46 also if you had e.g. a friendly silent spectre or servitor this would be interrupting exploration all the time then as well 14:30:59 -!- m1nced has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:17 "_j - an uncursed staff of bugginess" - 0.13 trunk CAO. Has anyone else recently had this problem? 14:31:42 i think it was reported on mantis earlier 14:32:01 !mantis 7034 14:32:02 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7034 14:32:10 -!- m1nced has quit [Client Quit] 14:32:49 saw a bug report earlier; would gues sit's due to staff of energy/staff of channeling unification? 14:35:19 I don't like the recent change to default online rcfiles that sets explore_delay to -1. It's a setting that's good for experienced players, but it tends to encourage hasty play and can cause players (especially new ones) to miss important non-hostile things in the dungeon (altars, items, etc). 14:38:51 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:54 -!- IDieALot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:39:42 -!- Helmschank has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:44 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:40:51 maybe the most important argument in favor of it has to do with tournament server load 14:42:49 does it really reduce server load? 14:43:13 it means a whole load of unneccessary messages don't have to be sent 14:43:19 on the other hand players will do more faster 14:43:26 so i don't know how it'll balance out 14:44:14 <@rax> default travel_delay should absolutely be -1 on all servers at all times 14:44:14 <@rax> if it's not that's a bug as far as I am concerned the difference is huge 14:44:21 (i assume rax would know about these things) 14:44:22 we could default explore_delay to 20 and leave travel_delay at -1 14:47:02 this auras thing is quite hard 14:47:20 yes, default travel delay at -1 is good 14:47:23 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 14:47:27 since quite often the aura source isn't on-screen, checking if it's from a friendly source is a bit of a spoiler 14:48:00 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:07 To be fair it significantly reduced server load in, like, 0.4. I am assuming it's still true, but don't have tests on recent versions. 14:53:03 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:54:52 it also reduces ttyrec size which is a win both for disk storage and all of the tv streaming that happens now and is actually one of the main users of bandwidth 14:55:04 -!- Zauren_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 14:55:25 if people hate it and turn it off, that's fine, but making it the default has in the past helped a lot 14:55:39 i think it's explore_delay rather than travel_delay that's weird 14:55:56 most big games have instant global travel 14:56:32 travel_delay = 0 is fantastic; I wouldn't mind seeing explore_delay get faster, but instant is a bit much as a default imo 15:00:39 explore_delay = 0 is actually pretty good, you can see where you're going but it's much much faster 15:01:10 I support explore_delay -1 personally but it will not _kill_ the machine if we don't get it 15:01:17 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:23 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-690-g67a9af8: Fix typo in options_guide 10(63 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=67a9af87aa7a 15:05:41 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12.1-11-g970af5d 15:06:22 well i'll leave it at -1 for now but if anyone else has strong feelings on this speak up 15:06:36 it'd be really good to sort out this auras thing tho 15:06:54 i just can't figure out the best way to do it 15:07:58 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:10:30 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19:23 -!- nmf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:20:43 so |amethyst are you looking for team members 15:34:43 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:37:15 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:38:50 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:52 <|amethyst> mumra: do you want to be on a high-scoring team? 15:43:14 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:43:35 |amethyst: no, i doubt that would happen ;) 15:44:51 i've only ever won twice and the last time seems like ages ago now 15:49:01 -!- Perkol has quit [Client Quit] 15:50:21 -!- opus has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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The 2013 0.12 tournament starts in 2 hours, 1 minute and 27 seconds. 16:58:36 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:50 hmm, i could easily make a bot for that 17:01:06 dying to uniques, that is 17:01:15 leaving it running overnight on my account 17:03:08 <|amethyst> mumra: combo high scores are probably easily botted, but I'd rather do it without bots 17:03:20 -!- NeverDie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:03:25 yeah i was joking ;) 17:03:36 <|amethyst> oh crap 17:03:38 <|amethyst> I broke it 17:04:03 although i was thinking it'd be funny to run a team of just bots 17:04:08 maybe next tournament 17:04:48 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-691-ge34e213: Remind online trunk players about the tournament. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e34e213eb43b 17:05:16 TheSameMistake (L16 SEGl) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3664: Invalid staff type: 12 (D:16) 17:05:35 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:05:36 -!- WesterAlt is now known as Wester 17:05:40 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:06:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:59 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:08:53 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:09:01 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-692-g87817ed (34) 17:09:18 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:12:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:12:18 <|amethyst> err 17:13:38 <|amethyst> wonder how a staff of channelling got past the save compat code 17:13:49 -!- s951 has quit [Client Quit] 17:13:51 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:13 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:57 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-692-g87817ed: Fix DGL compilation. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87817edc9609 17:15:30 <|amethyst> oh 17:15:35 <|amethyst> _generate_staff_item 17:16:08 zig sprint has some staves of bugginess, btw 17:18:13 does it matter which of github/gitorious/whatever i use if i want to make a remote branch so it's easy to newskalds without patching 17:21:08 no, just make a clone of the repository wherever 17:21:31 -!- rwbarton_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:21:40 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 17:21:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-693-g4e5f69c (34) 17:21:56 lainiw: we could push it onto a branch in the main crawl repository, but it's easier for you if can keep pushing commits (we could always cherry-pick from there into a main crawl branch anyway) 17:22:31 <|amethyst> mumra: err 17:22:40 <|amethyst> mumra: we have a duplicate team somehow 17:23:03 staff change messed pitsprint up 17:23:21 or rather, at the start of pitsprint it displays a message about staff of bugginess and then everything is normal 17:23:38 good to know clans can steal each other's names 17:24:15 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-692-g87817ed (34) 17:25:05 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-693-g4e5f69c: Don't generate staves of bugginess. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e5f69cad796 17:26:54 <|amethyst> mumra: oh whoops, I guess you just need # TEAMCAPTAIN neil *not* # TEAMNAME 17:27:25 |amethyst: yeah i just that second realised that as well ;) 17:27:36 changed 17:28:51 <|amethyst> I guess there's not really a problem with teams having the same name, since the captain is the primary key 17:29:14 <|amethyst> well, I don't know how it is in the db; I mean conceptually 17:30:51 fr staff of bogginess, swamp unrand 17:32:30 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:37 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:48 haha so much controversy over the delay change 17:40:49 -!- Wark- has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:41:00 -!- rwbarton_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:42:49 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 17:44:23 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49:07 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:50:27 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:34 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:36 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:49 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:28 should we quickly cherry-pick no-nausea for the tournament 17:54:37 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:55:52 lainiw: yeah, it doesn't really matter much which service you use unless someone wants to use the web UI, and I for one don't think I've really touched it since I got my commit access working ;-) 17:55:52 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:08 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:11 SamB: hey are you not on a team? 17:56:21 why would I be on a team 17:56:32 !hs 17:56:33 823. SamB the Protected (L13 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, mangled by a blink frog on Lair:4 on 2011-09-12 01:14:20, with 23869 points after 25987 turns and 4:40:35. 17:56:34 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:56:47 you don't have to be amazing to contribute to a team 17:56:54 there are banners that get you points without winning 17:56:57 !hs 17:56:58 225. mumra the Farming Archmage (L27 DEWz), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2011-08-26 02:34:27, with 7920230 points after 226695 turns and 1d+2:33:16. 17:57:06 hmm, ok bad example 17:57:11 but look how long ago that was ;) 17:57:12 hah 17:57:22 hey that was on *my* birthday 17:57:29 haha 17:57:53 !learn add lfg SamB 17:57:54 lfg[2/2]: SamB 17:58:21 -!- ZRN has quit [] 17:58:23 !lfg 17:58:28 SamB: i joined team |amethyst but i don't think we're worrying about scoring 17:58:37 !nick lfg 17:58:37 Mapping lfg => cryp71c sealer 17:58:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:59:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:00:19 * SamB has actually cleared Lair at least a couple of times offline 18:00:39 SamB: if |amethyst doesn't want you in the team we can just form a splinter group and bring in grunt as our secret weapon 18:00:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 18:00:50 hah 18:01:03 <|amethyst> !lfg 18:01:03 <|amethyst> !nick lfg 18:01:03 Mapping lfg => cryp71c sealer 18:01:09 * SamB doesn't know how to use !nick 18:01:28 * SamB has to go to some thing related to his sister's graduation in a bit ... 18:01:34 I'm not sure I'm going to be tournamenting much :| 18:01:56 ??tourney 18:01:57 tournament[1/3]: The 0.12 tournament will be May 11-27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/ Leaderboard: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/overview.html For team-less players, see {LFG} 18:02:02 we should have a dev team just to be in the spirit of things really 18:02:12 even if it's a team of "aren't going to play or score very much" 18:02:14 <|amethyst> a bad dev team 18:02:18 you can have your own mini-tournament by checking how many dudes get killed by Lamia and Jorgrun 18:02:41 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:02:45 is Cryp71c good or bad? 18:02:48 !hs Cryp71c 18:02:49 2992. Harkenn the Conqueror (L27 MiFi), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-04-13 04:35:22, with 12058256 points after 136139 turns and 8:13:46. 18:02:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:03:06 <|amethyst> !lg Cryp71c / won 18:03:06 7/2992 games for Cryp71c: N=7/2992 (0.23%) 18:03:13 <|amethyst> !lg SamB / won 18:03:13 0/823 games for SamB: N=0/823 (0.00%) 18:03:18 <|amethyst> !lg mumra / won 18:03:19 2/225 games for mumra: N=2/225 (0.89%) 18:03:22 he's quite good so he can only be in the team if he's also going to be lazy and careless 18:03:26 <|amethyst> !lg Grunt / won 18:03:27 16/1109 games for Grunt: N=16/1109 (1.44%) 18:03:34 Cryp71c that is 18:03:37 <|amethyst> mumra: you have a higher percentage than Cryp71c 18:03:44 score 18:03:48 <|amethyst> !lg neil / won 18:03:48 2/6158 games for neil: N=2/6158 (0.03%) 18:04:30 <|amethyst> Grunt is far too good for baddev team 18:05:02 -!- zardo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:05:08 my percentage was probably better before i was devteam, i play a lot of really short games now testing stuff 18:05:23 mumra: maybe you should use wizmode more 18:05:45 but then what if a game starts going really well and i want to score? :P 18:06:20 <|amethyst> !tell Cryp71c if you're still looking for a team, # TEAMCAPTAIN neil though there is some question of whether you're too good a player to be on the team :) 18:06:21 |amethyst: OK, I'll let cryp71c know. 18:06:35 <|amethyst> SamB: I added you as well if you want 18:06:42 |amethyst: sure 18:06:45 ??lfg[2] 18:06:46 lfg[2/2]: SamB 18:06:51 !learn del lfg[2] 18:06:51 Deleted lfg[2/2]: SamB 18:07:16 <|amethyst> Grunt: and you (it's SGrunt, right?) lack of time to play makes up for your high win percentage 18:07:17 |amethyst: how does this work on my end? 18:07:30 <|amethyst> SamB: # TEAMCAPTAIN neil at the top of your 0.12 rc 18:08:23 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:08:23 <|amethyst> I'm going to be out for the first several days anyway 18:09:10 okay how do I delete the whole init file and start from blank 18:09:26 hmm, leaning on ^k seems to work 18:09:27 select all, delete 18:09:29 <|amethyst> SamB: in virus dG should do it 18:09:44 <|amethyst> mumra: what is this webtiles of which you speak? 18:09:56 -!- gloop has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:09:59 <|amethyst> SamB: (if it doesn't, it's because virus sucks) 18:10:21 |amethyst: well to be fair that's still what you recommended in virus 18:10:39 <|amethyst> mumra: no, you said to select first :P 18:10:47 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:50 <|amethyst> mumra: if it were vim that would be possible 18:11:17 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:45 ok, yeah 18:11:46 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:12:33 -!- ohgodwhyasdasdas has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:33 * SamB has to go 18:15:08 -!- superc_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:18:03 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:19:32 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:05 !lg bh / won 18:21:06 4/1308 games for bh: N=4/1308 (0.31%) 18:21:14 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:21:35 bh is baddev team material surely 18:21:50 <|amethyst> !nick bh 18:21:50 No nick mapping for bh. 18:22:04 !nick bmh 18:22:04 Mapping bmh => bh 18:22:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:32 -!- superc_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:22:42 samb: ??virus tells you how to do it in virus 18:23:46 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:23:59 -!- Koolguydude_ is now known as Koolguydude 18:24:18 <|amethyst> !tell bh if you want to join the bad-dev clan, # TEAMCAPTAIN neil 18:24:19 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 18:24:44 |amethyst: for the record, 18:24:46 !nick Grunt 18:24:47 Mapping grunt => sgrunt hypergrunt deathgrunt 18:25:00 |amethyst: Cryp71c is on a team, btw 18:25:05 <|amethyst> oh, he found one 18:25:13 <|amethyst> didn't remove himself from the nick map 18:25:17 gah, what a deserter 18:25:19 !nick lfg 18:25:19 Mapping lfg => cryp71c sealer 18:25:49 I think sealer found a team too, but he doesn't actually have his rc set up yet (or his captain doesn't) so I won't remove him 18:25:55 <|amethyst> !tell Cryp71c ah, elliptic tells me you found a team, no worries 18:25:56 !nick lfg -rm cryp71c 18:25:56 |amethyst: OK, I'll let cryp71c know. 18:25:56 Deleted cryp71c from lfg => cryp71c sealer 18:27:10 <|amethyst> !lg DracoOmega / won 18:27:11 0/6 games for DracoOmega: N=0/6 (0.00%) 18:27:38 <|amethyst> I don't know what to make of that 18:28:15 DracoOmega claims to mostly play offline. 18:28:16 he has dozens of wins offline 18:28:28 however playing offline is bad 18:28:29 so... 18:28:32 ??offline 18:28:32 offline[1/1]: doesn't count 18:29:38 not even wanting to play online definitely qualifies him for the baddev team 18:29:44 in fact he's the most qualified clearly 18:30:50 -!- QQQ is now known as gloop 18:30:54 <|amethyst> hm 18:31:07 <|amethyst> I guess really I should be playing on CDO for the tournament 18:31:28 why? 18:31:39 <|amethyst> I could cheat too easily on CSZO and CAO 18:31:41 so that tiles players can't watch his secret techs for getting most combo high scores 18:31:44 <|amethyst> since I have root and all 18:31:46 hehe 18:32:25 well, i guess everyone is trusting you not to cheat by e.g. going and artifically modifying peoples stats 18:32:32 <|amethyst> elliptic: my secret tech is "play hundreds of games, starting from the bottom of the combo scores table" 18:32:42 so it doesn't really make much different which server you're on 18:33:01 <|amethyst> True 18:33:03 really people should worry more about me cheating by hacking the tourney scripts :P 18:33:38 it will be much harder to detect with elliptic since high scores won't look like an anomaly 18:33:47 "let's sneakily change team composition to steal jeanjacques" 18:35:28 suddenly, in addition to the scoring rules about wins and gods and nemelex combos, there's one that says "for each game played as elliptic" 18:35:55 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:36:31 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130509031047]] 18:37:04 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:30 does the nemelex choice get generated automatically when the tournament starts? 18:39:16 mumra: yes 18:39:56 what rng does it use? is this explotable? 18:41:43 i dont think knowing the combos in advance would be that big an advantage 18:42:59 well, it's a pretty good secret tech i think 18:43:36 mumra: it uses "import random" in python 18:44:00 elliptic: that sounds massively exploitable ;) 18:44:00 feel free to do the research into the matter :P 18:44:45 have you read the one about the guys who figured out the shuffling algorithm of a popular online poker site 18:45:24 alefury: what's your winrate like 18:45:32 !lg alefury / win 18:45:32 0/9 games for alefury: N=0/9 (0.00%) 18:45:35 !lg galefury / win 18:45:36 0/9 games for galefury: N=0/9 (0.00%) 18:45:49 i mostly play offline 18:46:00 my winrate is pretty mediocre i guess 18:46:05 i'm recuiting for baddev team 18:46:30 im not a dev, but i might play a few games during the tourney 18:46:45 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:27 if i win, ill have 10% winrate though 18:47:28 :P 18:47:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:47:53 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 18:48:56 well no but you're like always in crawl-dev so close enough, well anyway we'll see if the slots fill up 18:49:24 i still need to ask dpeg, he is like the ultimate baddev 18:49:32 i dont think hes that bad 18:49:33 !won dpeg 18:49:33 dpeg has won 18 times in 1638 games (1.10%): 2xDsNe 1xDDHe 1xDEIE 1xDrVM 1xDsEE 1xGEAE 1xHDGl 1xKeSt 1xMDFi 1xMDPa 1xMiMo 1xMiPr 1xNaCj 1xNaNe 1xOgFE 1xOpHu 1xSpAs 18:49:38 !streak dpeg 18:49:40 dpeg has 2 consecutive wins (HDGl, GEAE; DEIE, DDHe). 18:49:49 !won dpeg max=cv x=cv 18:49:50 HD -> GE streak is pretty cool 18:49:50 dpeg has won 18 times in 1638 games (1.10%): 2xDsNe 1xDDHe 1xDEIE 1xDrVM 1xDsEE 1xGEAE 1xHDGl 1xKeSt 1xMDFi 1xMDPa 1xMiMo 1xMiPr 1xNaCj 1xNaNe 1xOgFE 1xOpHu 1xSpAs 18:49:56 !lg dpeg won max=cv x=cv 18:49:56 18. [cv=0.9] dpeg the Farming Demonspawn of Death (L27 DsNe), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2011-08-19 14:08:23, with 1452383 points after 207418 turns and 15:44:20. 18:49:58 !lg dpeg won s=cv 18:49:58 18 games for dpeg (won): 3x 0.5, 2x 0.2, 2x 0.4, 2x 0.10-a, 0.8-a, 0.7, 0.4-a, 0.1, 0.6-a, 0.11, 0.9, 0.11-a, 0.3 18:50:00 hehe, yeah 18:50:01 max=cv doesn't work 18:50:03 ...oh right. 18:50:04 uses string sort 18:51:16 he has at least one win in every version but 0.1, 0.12 and 0.13 18:51:32 there's a 0.1 there 18:51:36 oh wow 18:51:38 nice 18:52:04 !lg * won s=name x=cdist(cv) o=cdist(cv) 18:52:05 11940 games for * (won): 400x 78291 [18], 176x clouded [14], 58x heteroy [14], 45x Cruella [12], 17x dpeg [12], 159x elliptic [12], 172x mikee [11], 57x Tenaya [11], 62x evilmike [11], 82x MarvinPA [11], 205x hyperbolic [11], 32x valrus [11], 25x aleksiL [10], 65x xyblor [10], 67x ebarrett [10], 25x hayenne [10], 18x splat [10], 68x Surr [9], 78x Elynae [9], 37x BirdoPrey [9], 13x Johan [9], 101x ... 18:52:13 pretty high on that list 18:52:35 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:11 -!- gloop has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:53:44 he has dozens of wins offline <- 95, by my last count :P 18:53:44 DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:53:53 But I haven't played in a while now. Too busy coding things! 18:54:28 -!- flun_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:02 mumra: Incidentally, why was that message directed to ME when elliptic was the one who suggested it, I think? 18:55:22 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:33 what message? 18:55:38 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55:41 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 18:55:52 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:56:01 mumra said (9h 17m 20s ago): I'm thinking a big problem with spellcasting badforms is that this punishes melee/ranged builds far more than spellcasting ones... 18:56:27 At least I think you were saying you felt it might be better if they all could cast 18:56:31 yeah 18:56:59 mumra: well, many "melee/ranged builds" still have spells 18:57:04 ah ok i think you were both talking about it, not sure why i messaged you 18:57:19 Yes, the spells aren't all about KILLING things 18:57:23 mumra: mainly I just don't understand what makes a form able to cast spells or not 18:57:25 But can still help melee-focused builds to escape 18:57:28 elliptic: yeah but a conjuror keeps their primary killing method 18:57:46 elliptic: definitely, it seems very arbitrary 18:57:47 well, your focus shouldn't really be on killing things when you are a porcupine 18:57:49 mumra: So does a melee with statue form, or most forums with UC. I realize that's more specific, but still 18:58:14 Killing Kirke while a pig is sort of satisfying :P 18:58:30 !lm * uniq=kirke status=pig-form 18:58:31 258. [2013-05-08 17:56:31] Bastard the Phalangite (L21 MfAK) killed Kirke on turn 61227. (D:16) 18:58:33 hmm, true 18:58:43 !lm * uniq=kirke status=pig-form s=name 18:58:43 258 milestones for * (uniq=kirke status=pig-form): 3x Croases, 3x Pac, 3x AlphaQ, 3x Thrall, 3x Hirasi, 3x ophanim, 3x thetao, 3x Poncheis, 3x nsdk, 2x flyingpants, 2x minmay, 2x magistern, 2x clouded, 2x nooodl, 2x NyaaKitty, 2x yogaFLAME, 2x mikee, 2x MrPlanck, 2x dabe, 2x Cerrus, 2x MarvinPA, 2x Jaxy, 2x crate, 2x Bart, 2x Snack, 2x jeanjacques, 2x Synoecium, 2x ProvTheAverage, 2x paplaukes, 2x... 18:58:52 Really, I do agree that it is a problem that restrictions are non-obvious and seem inconsistant 18:59:31 A spider is a more 'primative' animal than some of these, yet can cast okay. The only distinction here is that it is a 'good' form and the others are 'bad' forms, but that mostly only means things when you're already familiar with the game, I suppose 19:01:02 good night, have fun with the tourney start :) 19:01:04 !time 19:01:05 Time: May 11, 2013, 12:01:05 AM, UTC. The 2013 0.12 tournament ends in 15 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes and 54 seconds. 19:01:07 it makes sense if spell restriction was an additional thing that happened with wands of poly and other badform sources but not with tmut spells for instance 19:01:16 oh wow, it just started 19:01:16 nn! 19:01:23 AND SO IT BEGINS. 19:01:26 GO GO GO FIRST WIN 19:01:42 Grunt: join team baddev! 19:01:52 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01:52 mumra: It might, yes. But also that could be kind of punishing, and there's also the intuitive issue of 'some spider forms can cast and some can't'. Though there's already 'some spider forms can be ended and some can't', so.... 19:01:54 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:36 it's an easy distinction to understand; when you've chosen to enter a form you are free to end it. 19:02:57 -!- omniguy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:03:10 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:03:39 Possibly that is more intuitive than 'can only cast in a form if you have chosen to enter it', maybe? 19:03:40 -!- DarthXaos has quit [Client Quit] 19:03:46 !tell napkin any chance 0.12 could be made default when pressing "p" on the main menu on cdo, for the tourney? 19:03:47 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let napkin know. 19:03:56 -!- sdafreat has quit [Client Quit] 19:05:30 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:01 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:09:02 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 19:09:38 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:20:09 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:22:39 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-694-g9be4cfb: Fix compilation for gcc 4.0. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9be4cfb42e8b 19:27:48 <|amethyst> !lg tizzy src=cao 19:27:49 1. tizzy the Sneak (L1 KoEn), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2010-08-31 02:52:26, with 20 points after 62 turns and 0:01:48. 19:28:15 !lg * t 19:28:16 101. Sealer the Slasher (L9 TeAr), worshipper of Fedhas, slain by Daddy's ghost on D:8 on 2013-05-11 00:27:51, with 2820 points after 8511 turns and 0:22:55. 19:32:29 <|amethyst> !tell rax Account issues (player picked a name that is taken but nearly three years idle on CAO): see https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/posting.php?mode=reply&f=9&t=7880 19:32:31 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 19:34:54 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:36:00 <|amethyst> !tell Napkin not sure if you've seen it, but phonix needs a password reset on CDO: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7871 19:36:01 |amethyst: OK, I'll let napkin know. 19:38:05 Kidiri (L5 DrCj) ASSERT((int)Buffer.size() == expanded_keys_left) in 'macro.cc' at line 550 failed. (D:3) 19:39:56 o_O 19:40:01 !lm kidiri crash -log 19:40:02 2. Kidiri, XL5 DrCj, T:4098 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Kidiri/crash-Kidiri-20130511-003806.txt 19:42:03 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:49:51 -!- Flun_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:50:09 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:56:20 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:28 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:33 hai! 19:57:33 bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:57:35 !messages 19:57:37 (1/2) mumra said (10h 25m 39s ago): thanks, forgot to add a file, oh and ahh git confusion, anyway it works now 19:57:39 !messages 19:57:40 (1/1) |amethyst said (1h 33m 21s ago): if you want to join the bad-dev clan, # TEAMCAPTAIN neil 19:57:48 bh: はい! 19:57:52 <_< 19:58:00 |amethyst: oh hell yes I do 19:59:55 -!- Sealero has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:02:39 <|amethyst> bh: you're listed, just do # TEAMCAPTAIN neil 20:02:44 <|amethyst> hope you like The Mars Volta 20:02:52 |amethyst: I think I did it right 20:03:35 this auto-explore trail while cute, is annoying. 20:04:00 randwin (L20 HEHu) ASSERT(blood.sub_type == POT_BLOOD_COAGULATED) in 'misc.cc' at line 576 failed. (D:21) 20:04:05 o_o 20:04:13 !lm randwin crash -log 20:04:14 1. randwin, XL20 HEHu, T:69280 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/randwin/crash-randwin-20130511-010400.txt 20:05:10 <|amethyst> bh: you can turn it off of course: show_travel_trail = false 20:05:13 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:34 I'm getting bad dev off to a great start. 20:05:43 <|amethyst> bh: it's mostly there to make {travel,explore}_delay = -1 less surprising 20:06:00 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:00 ah 20:06:08 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:06:11 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:13 -!- Helmschank_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:07:41 |amethyst: MfSu of Kiku (if I live that long). I think I can win this. 20:08:24 bh: you can do it! 20:08:33 <|amethyst> what's "win"? 20:08:43 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:43 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:45 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:45 -!- Ainulindale has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:45 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:45 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:45 -!- atrodo_ is now known as atrodo 20:08:45 -!- WesterAlt is now known as Wester 20:08:47 It's when you get the Orb of zot and then splat to an Orb Guardian 20:08:48 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:48 -!- kryft has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:49 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:49 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:51 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 20:08:54 Orb Guardians are like really big rats. 20:09:16 <|amethyst> They're the only monster whose tile makes sense to me 20:09:18 bh: The Orb Guardian goes berserk! 20:09:31 bh, see also Disjunction :b 20:09:37 Grunt: I saw 20:09:42 (hence the :b0 20:09:44 s/0/)/ 20:10:14 What should happen to Grotesks when they're petrifying? +GDR, +resists? That's useful for not dying, but bad for killing dudes 20:10:35 IMO make them immune to petrification; they're *already* stone, no? 20:10:51 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:54 Grunt: they're immune to involuntary petrification but can petrify themselves at will 20:11:01 Oh. 20:11:06 -!- Zauren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:07 -!- Ragnor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:09 -!- Rjs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:19 -!- Zauren_ is now known as Zauren 20:11:19 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:11:19 -!- Soyweiser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:11:19 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:12:21 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:12 -!- rphillips has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:13:22 -!- DracoOmega has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- shachaf has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- Sabaki has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- nCrazed has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- iasov has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- ColdPie has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- Sizzell has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- orionstein has quit [*.net *.split] 20:13:22 -!- ColdPie_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:43 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:13:43 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 20:14:32 Grunt: is that too silly? 20:14:52 It makes sense; I just thought you meant being hit by the spell. 20:15:49 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 20:15:51 maybe they can damage mosters that need to breath during this process 20:16:12 emitting dust or something similar?? 20:16:25 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:26 You emit a blast of calcifying dust! 20:16:45 "You get paralyzed! The hydra gets paralyzed! Everyone gets paralyzed!" 20:16:51 That might be an interesting passive ability, actually. 20:19:18 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:19:47 it would suck with allies 20:20:01 what if when something hit you, you might emit clouds onto it? 20:20:09 That's more what I was thinking, yes. 20:20:19 -!- MP is now known as Guest33479 20:20:31 That kind of encroaches on Ds miasma territory, though. 20:20:43 get rid of miasma, duh 20:20:56 -!- obelus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:22:02 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:22 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:24 -!- Wester has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:33 -!- SamB_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:05 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:23:05 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:23:05 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:24 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:35 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(see also 99ad16fa) 22:23:55 Basically, I'm going to say that what's presented there isn't the right approach to take, and that I think enabling some or all of the rest of the Dis layouts there is a lot simpler to get the same general effect. 22:24:20 (No comment on whether I think the overall concept is a good idea or not.) 22:24:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:24:39 did you see the discussion in #7003 22:25:17 I've been following it on and off. 22:25:43 I see there is some Dis discussion which I missed though :b 22:26:15 (FYI, layout_city looks terrible there. But I think layout_city looks terrible in general, so...) 22:27:10 I did try infiniplex's layout (layout_irregular_city) and it didn't look great either 22:27:42 however, some of the other new layouts that are really cool (e.g. layout_gridville, layout_gridlike) could actually be seamlessly connected up to a primary vault 22:27:43 ...yeah, it looks kind of bizarre. 22:27:48 i just haven't done it yet 22:27:56 gridville looks kind of amusing in context :) 22:28:25 basically any of this recent batch of grid-based layouts could start by pretending the primary vault is the first grid division, and they'll divide up the rest of the space perfectly 22:28:36 and even make sure the primary vault is properly connected, when i get it working right ;) 22:28:44 I'm noticing that iron_city_of_dis isn't actually width 80, so at the moment some layouts leak down the sides, which looks especially terrible. 22:29:02 yep, i can take all this into account for these ones 22:29:11 * Grunt goes to pad it out to see how it would look without that issue... 22:29:11 it has to be done on a layout-by-layout basis 22:29:32 but since i've made a lot of layouts with similar engines i should be able to convert lots at once 22:29:52 (and i'm talking about supporting *any* primary vault properly, not just Dis:7) 22:30:38 Better layout interaction with primary vaults would be very good! 22:31:13 -!- rwbarton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:31:17 * Grunt is reminded of some especially terrible vault/layout interactions in the early days of primary vaults being placeable on layouts. 22:31:21 yes 22:31:27 these will be the best-looking layouts 22:31:46 You probably say that about all your layouts :) 22:31:54 Well, the ones that make it into trunk, at least!! 22:32:08 hehe 22:32:21 well it's true, each one _is_ better than the last :P 22:32:26 -!- sym` has quit [] 22:33:40 with these grids i've figured out how to generate layouts that look like hand-crafted maps ... i'm working up to that tho ;) 22:34:35 ...hmm, layout_dis *almost* works well (it would need to be adjusted to place a wall at the edge of the space it's supposed to be in as opposed to getting cut off by the vault). 22:35:03 layout_dis could easily boxpack around the primary vault rectangle tbh 22:35:07 you just need a way to get the bounds 22:35:12 * Grunt nods. 22:35:13 (which is why i haven't done it yet on mine) 22:35:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:35:20 I'm not really an expert in how all of this works :) 22:35:37 layout_dis is basically a really simple version of my grid layouts 22:35:42 i shamelessly stole the idea 22:35:53 layout_overlapping_boxes has the same problem :b 22:36:14 Actually, a lot of your layouts probably end up doing the same thing right now :) 22:36:15 if you look at layout_gridville and imagine that it started out as a grid looking like layuot_dis 22:36:28 but then i gradually accululated "city" cells in blobs 22:36:38 then then rendered each cell based on whether it was city or whatever 22:37:35 Grunt: the city layouts (pretty much all of them) are the only ones that actually take the vault mask into account when they're rendering 22:37:57 i mean ones that actually have _city_ in the name, and also cavetown 22:38:57 Grunt: anyway i think those subvaults from #7031 would look good, but maybe they could be primary vaults on other floors of dis instead 22:39:16 so they're actually a little more likely to get seen / explored 22:39:16 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:24 and hells are generally lacking in general vaults 22:39:29 The problem I have there is that I don't think they're distinct enough from what our layouts already do. 22:39:47 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:59 If there were more content as opposed to being large empty spaces, I could probably accept them being non-Dis:$ vaults. 22:40:05 ("empty" in the content sense) 22:40:33 Even a few 0s, 9s, 8s, and maybe some stair placements might work in that respect :) 22:40:50 some of them have those things 22:40:51 (I guess a few of them place stairs, but still.) 22:40:57 yeah maybe they just need a bit more detail 22:42:30 still, i do actually like the general concept; that layout already has two subvaulted regions and adding a third makes it more varied compared to status quo 22:49:34 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7956 22:49:39 todo: start coding in more secret techs 22:50:35 that's a silly post 22:51:25 that makes me think that being able to ?? in-game would be pretty neat 22:51:36 and weird 22:52:11 ...??what idiot came up with this vault 22:52:22 -!- SirRick has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:56:15 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:33 -!- Vizer__ is now known as Vizer 23:00:53 -!- Windows has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:49 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:05:21 -!- Stelpa__ has quit [Quit: Butts] 23:08:19 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08:40 -!- Pacra___ is now known as Pacra 23:09:53 hmm, i seem to be able to reliably get the webtiles graphics corruption bug 23:10:10 if i click on trunk then press 'N' to the warning message, then play 0.12, the graphics are corrupter 23:10:13 -ted 23:11:05 <|amethyst> which doesn't make sense to me because they should have different URLs 23:11:11 <|amethyst> the tile sheets, that is 23:13:02 <|amethyst> unless maybe one of the tile*.js scripts isn't being loaded 23:13:14 <|amethyst> but those as well are per-version (in gamedata) so... 23:15:12 -!- rwbarton_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19:00 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 23:20:16 or one of the js files doesn't get _re_loaded when you switch version 23:23:19 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:23:28 -!- gowby has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:24:25 <|amethyst> ahh 23:24:35 <|amethyst> if I do trunk then 0.12 no problem 23:24:36 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 23:24:41 <|amethyst> if I then go *back* to trunk, problem 23:24:55 <|amethyst> so it does seem to be things not getting *re*loaded, as you said 23:24:58 oh, is this the sort of corruption that could be what gowby was complaining about in ##crawl a little while ago? 23:25:20 <|amethyst> elliptic: it's the corruption when switching versions in webtiles that a lot of people have 23:25:24 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:25:25 <|amethyst> oh 23:26:48 <|amethyst> and if I play trunk then 0.11 then trunk, I don't get any map 23:27:04 <|amethyst> presumably because of other incompatibilities between version 23:29:42 -!- browncustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:48 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol re 6297... I can reproduce in Chrome specifically by playing trunk, then 0.12, then back to trunk 23:29:48 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 23:30:05 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:10 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol the first switch isn't a problem, but switching *back* to a version is 23:30:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 23:30:29 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:31:07 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol as though each gamedata/hash/foo.js was executing only once 23:31:08 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 23:31:44 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:31:52 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 23:31:55 * Grunt ponders if Medar would be capable of this sort of webtiles wizardy, given Medar's penchant for webtiles bugfixes :) 23:31:58 -!- Petriefied has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:32:37 <|amethyst> likely... I messaged edlothiol because the bug is assigned to him :) 23:32:37 ??tournament 23:32:39 tournament[1/3]: The 0.12 tournament will be May 11-27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/ Leaderboard: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/overview.html For team-less players, see {LFG} 23:32:56 <|amethyst> !learn add tournament[1] s/will be/is/ 23:32:57 tournament[1/4]: s/will be/is/ 23:33:01 (todo: dev-ify Medar so that we can have another webtiles maintainer) 23:33:01 <|amethyst> err 23:33:05 |amethyst: how the hell are we in 4th place? 23:33:06 <|amethyst> !learn del tournament[1] 23:33:07 |amethyst: haha. 23:33:07 Deleted tournament[1/4]: s/will be/is/ 23:33:14 <|amethyst> !learn edit tournament[1] s/will be/is/ 23:33:14 <|amethyst> doh 23:33:14 tournament[1/3]: The 0.12 tournament is May 11-27. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/ Leaderboard: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.12/overview.html For team-less players, see {LFG} 23:33:50 <|amethyst> bh: because most combos is worth 400 points (200 for the player, 200 for the clan) 23:33:58 ha 23:34:04 <|amethyst> bh: and a lot faster to get than points for wins :) 23:34:09 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:34:32 -!- Wolfechu_ is now known as Wolfechu 23:34:41 <|amethyst> unfortunately, they taper off rather quickly 23:34:50 <|amethyst> and we're likely to get competition from e.g. lawman0 23:35:26 -!- Guest16942 is now known as myp 23:35:54 yeah... most combo wins is worth a lot of clan points but requires quite a bit of effort to maintain to the end of the tourney 23:35:58 er 23:36:00 most combo high scores 23:36:19 what's the easiest combo? 23:36:37 Define "easiest". 23:37:02 easiest for winning a 3 runer 23:37:13 ...define "easiest". :b 23:37:16 that's not a definition of "easiest" :P 23:37:24 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:37:34 I recommend MiBe to people usually though 23:37:37 easiest for me is probably mibe 23:37:38 High win probability and a high margin of error 23:37:54 spen behind that, but low hp means mistakes can kill you fast 23:38:17 with perfect play, combo with highest win probability has to be a DD... probably DDBe, DDEE, or DDHe 23:38:32 but not everyone likes DD and that's mainly a matter of early game anyway 23:38:34 MiBe is probably among the easiest to PLAY without knowing what you're doing, of the really strong stuff, even if other stuff can be stronger if you do 23:38:38 -!- DracoOmega__ is now known as DracoOmega 23:38:55 yeah I ackowledge that DD is stronger, but they aren't stronger for me 23:39:12 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:39:18 I have actually enjoyed the DDs I've played, even if they seem rather maligned in a bunch of corners 23:39:34 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:39:36 <|amethyst> DD was my first win (offline) 23:39:38 I have never actually won a SpEn though. It has not seemed to agree with me 23:39:47 DDs seem absurdly powerful when played effectively, and terrible when played ineffectively. 23:39:52 (To me, that is.) 23:39:58 Though I won a SpPr that stayed with Zin, which cannot actually be STRONGER, I suspect >.> 23:40:08 I thought my easiest win was MfSu 23:40:09 Recite kiting! 23:40:14 (It still sucked) 23:40:24 DracoOmega: ask 78291 about recite kiting sometime :) 23:41:14 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:42:01 elliptic: how far from perfect play do you think you are? 23:42:09 -!- Ryak_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:36 I wonder how one even answers that question 23:42:40 bh: well, playing random combos on hyperelliptic I seem to manage about a 70% winrate, and I'd guess that about a 90% winrate is possible 23:42:56 <|amethyst> !tell rax never mind, it was the same person and they finally rememberd the password 23:42:57 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 23:43:19 DracoOmega: easy, when crawl gives you a choice, how often do you pick the right choice ;) 23:44:18 Well, it's impressive enough to be able to answer THAT question accurately :P 23:44:34 most choices don't matter individually, anyway 23:44:43 It's usually a pileup of choices 23:44:57 it's hard to say that one decision is better than another if you should win basically 100% of the time either way by that point 23:45:23 Yes, I am not sure what optimal means, in a way. Even 100% winrate is not optimal by all measures. 23:45:39 yes 23:45:53 Since maybe you could have done it in fewer turns, too? It's not like a theoretically lower-bound is known or likely to ever BE known 23:46:11 Get the folks working on the NetHack TAS to consider Crawl instead :) 23:46:19 DracoOmega: it's probably using a glitch on your first turn to immediately win 23:47:00 bh: Does it count as optimal if doing so causes devs to immediately patch it out? :P 23:47:43 There are many things that could be called, and I'm not completely sure "optimal" is one of them. :) 23:48:35 then there is spectator optimality 23:48:40 do whatever gets you the most spectators 23:48:59 Console spectators or tiles spectators or combined total or? 23:49:10 combined total 23:49:10 Elliott's Theory Of Optimality 23:49:37 dying in the orb run might get you a lot of watchers 23:49:39 Haha 23:50:17 -!- grasida has quit [Client Quit] 23:54:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:55:28 -!- NeverDie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:57:23 |amethyst: ##crawl is uselss for advice. For MiBe, should I do anything other than skillrobin axes? 23:58:03 You're asking |amethyst for advice?? 23:58:14 Grunt: he's on my team! 23:58:14 bh: I responded, I guess you didn't see because I was lazy and didn't ping you 23:58:15 <|amethyst> I second Grunt's opinion 23:58:17 will copy here 23:58:27 you should raise axes really high before anything else 23:58:30 yep. 23:58:32 like somewhere between 14 and 20 depending, then get some fighting/armour 23:58:47 Anything else is just axeing for it. 23:58:50 * Grunt flees in terror. 23:59:29 oh gosh. a !mut and !cure_mut. Do I dare disturb the universe? 23:59:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:56 mumra: apparently connecting layouts to primary vaults is too hard to implement! 23:59:59 <_< 23:59:59 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed]