00:00:56 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-654-g588d246 (34) 00:03:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:03:48 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:07:32 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:13:00 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:47 -!- thetao has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:19:09 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 00:21:02 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:31:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:18 |amethyst: did the message merging actually change the size of the datagrams sent between crawl and the webserver? 00:32:51 -!- LordArsenic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:28 I think true OOP only lives in text books and some far fetched utopia. 00:37:13 smalltalk 00:38:06 -!- eb has quit [] 00:38:55 !tell Medar You may find https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6918 relevant to the message merging hangs, but probably not if you didn't change the size of dgrams that the crawl processes use. 00:38:56 CKyle: OK, I'll let medar know. 00:39:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:51:32 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:00 I'm patching berserkitis to not trigger on firewood. Would anyone object to reducing the berserk chance based on the HD difference between you and the target? 00:58:47 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-655-g2a08a9b: Berserkitis Reform 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a08a9b21697 00:59:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:00:34 -!- bh has quit [Quit: gtfo'd] 01:01:35 -!- HDA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:31 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 01:17:41 bh: I think that basing it on HD is probably just unnecessary complication 01:17:50 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space] 01:17:59 oh he left 01:18:54 !tell bh I think basing berserkitis "proc" chance on HD is unnecessary complication probably... <3 the firewood change though! 01:18:54 elliptic: OK, I'll let bh know. 01:23:30 i was able to get 22 slaying from sos dealing with the v:5 opening 01:31:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:39 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 01:58:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:00:52 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:03:06 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 02:06:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:00 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:15:31 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:25 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:47 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:33 -!- dienosore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:28:00 -!- dupo has quit [] 02:28:04 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:31:45 03elliptic 07* 0.13-a0-656-gf772da0: Give Blade triple swords, prevent type/ego duplication. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f772da004a25 02:36:24 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:07 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:37:10 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 02:39:52 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 02:41:34 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:08 -!- Laany has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:09 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:57:04 -!- heteroy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:40 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58:44 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 03:00:00 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:01:25 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 03:01:43 -!- Dalvant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:03:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:59 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:31 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:23:30 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 03:24:09 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:11 -!- aa99 has quit [Client Quit] 03:34:37 -!- NotSoFatTony has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:38:22 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:40:43 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:45:38 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 03:46:17 |amethyst: the message merging doesn't change the size of the messages between crawl and the server, the merging is done in the server 03:48:23 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:48:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59:40 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 04:01:23 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:01:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:17:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:34:48 -!- Zauren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48:53 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:58 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:52:59 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:57:33 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:59:04 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:59:43 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 05:04:19 how does the inline lua in dat/descript/monsters.txt work? is there a way to refer to the monster itself in the description? (right now the description for spectral weapons is weird) 05:05:08 -!- gloop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:31:22 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:37:46 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:46 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 05:37:46 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:00 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:44:17 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:17 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 05:44:17 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:42 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:32 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:49:12 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 05:49:24 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:59 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Client Quit] 05:51:51 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:03 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:03 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:15:51 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 06:24:59 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:30:13 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 06:32:18 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:38:17 -!- afd__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:46 -!- st_ has quit [] 06:50:44 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:05:25 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:05:26 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 07:05:31 -!- syraine_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:16:14 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:20:45 -!- Miron1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21:20 -!- Miron has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:24:06 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:28:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:31:47 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 07:32:18 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-656-gf772da0 07:49:50 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 07:59:36 lainiw: still looking? 07:59:43 the monster isn't available, no 08:00:27 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:31 the relevant function is get_monster_db_desc in describe.cc line 3300 08:00:31 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Client Quit] 08:00:59 you can customise the description there in some way (maybe with a substituion) 08:01:13 but what is weird about the description, can i help rephrase it maybe? 08:02:06 lainiw: probably pointless to try too hard, a bunch of monsters do it on the C++ side 08:02:26 this can be improved by pulling actual strings from the database 08:07:49 -!- phosphorescence has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:08:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:08:37 thanks both of you, it looks like it would be easy to make get_monster_db_desc work for spectral_weapons -- maybe i'll change it later, but probably it isn't worth it 08:09:27 mumra, it is only weird because I was trying to make a simple description for spectral weapons, but its glyph ( means it also gets the dancing weapon description 08:09:48 ahh 08:10:09 also i wrote descriptions for the spells! i wasn't sure if there was a certain format to follow, i just looked at other spells 08:10:25 per glyph-descriptions should go, I'd say 08:13:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:13:23 lainiw: cool! there's no standard format, it's creative writing; succinct and punchy, usually with a bit of character 08:13:50 hmm 08:14:01 i can post them here, probably, they're kind of short 08:14:20 yeah do that or use http://sprunge.us 08:14:51 it is in http://sprunge.us/YfDU [PATCH 6/7] 08:15:52 most of them are pretty plain 08:18:00 -!- radinms has quit [] 08:18:28 most importantly they tell you what the spell does ;) 08:18:32 it looks good to me 08:18:44 i think we should rename spectral weapon to "tukima's battleblade" though 08:18:58 that sounds like a good name 08:19:05 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:44 there's an obvious comparison to battlesphere so it might as well be obvious :P 08:19:52 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:20:40 buddysphere ftw 08:24:06 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:38 as opposed to "peaceblade" 08:32:03 maybe song of slaying should have an ability to end it 08:33:39 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:11 hmm, it is pretty noisy 08:35:23 oh man, what's song of slaying? 08:35:39 new spell? 08:35:51 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:background:crusader 08:36:01 thanks 08:38:32 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:38:51 Blank squares by Johnper 08:38:55 kilobyte: peaceblade actually works for me 08:40:20 song of slaying sounds too good 08:40:30 maybe it could also take extra mp when you kill 08:42:32 lainiw: i slightly reworded song/spectral and added some flavoury stuff - http://sprunge.us/AJPJ 08:42:42 it's up to you whether you like it or not 08:43:01 LexAckson: yeah 08:49:32 mumra, i will probably use them! i don't feel like renaming the functions atm though so it will happen later 08:50:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:27 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:52 -!- Nort has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:52:22 -!- Zermako has quit [] 08:54:45 "Kills by a spectral weapon count as yours whilst singing a Song of Slaying." 08:55:04 does this mean you get half xp normally and fully xp only when song is active? 08:56:01 i think it's just for the song's buff? 08:56:16 oh, i meant it to mean for the buff but it is kind of vague as is 08:56:26 ahh of course 08:57:12 hmm, what about other summons? is it only spectral weapon kills that will count towards song? 08:57:25 maybe this should be mentioned in song's description instead 08:57:27 yeah spectral weapon is the only summon that works like that 08:57:32 for sos 08:58:03 it might be more relevant to mention it in sos, or even both 08:58:39 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:00:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:23 augmentation (ds mut) is crazy powerful, could probably be nerfed a little 09:01:29 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:53 maybe even simply split into two, magical augmentation gets the two enhancers, and physical augmentation gets the 12 slaying 09:02:10 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 09:04:39 lainiw: further tweaks - http://sprunge.us/XQEf 09:08:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:17 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 09:09:52 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:10:13 alefury: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7027 -- this is what it typically looks like on most video cards (with respect to our conversation last night) 09:10:34 "most video cards" 09:11:32 -!- Nort has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:13:41 does it not work with intel thingies? that would kinda suck 09:13:54 mumra, if i forget to change the desriptions later you should remind me! 09:14:41 now that spectral weapon actually works, it seems too good right now... 09:15:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 09:16:16 alefury: we try to make ds mutations be less narrow than "magic only" or "melee only"... see the PbP changes. Probably the numbers can be tweaked down safely though 09:16:19 ??augmentation 09:16:20 augmentation[1/1]: Demonspawn mutation: gives scaling spell power and slaying bonuses with HP total: bonuses are equal to max(0, ceiling(mutlevel*(2*hp - maxhp)/maxhp))*(0.4*spell power + 4 slaying). 09:16:27 alefury: the question is, what the hell GL is for in the first place. You know, games 20 years ago could somehow manage animated tiles with pixel count ~4 times less on a machine 10000 times slower 09:16:56 i agree 100% 09:17:20 i think making tiles code work better would be great 09:17:26 GL is somewhat easier to program this kind of thing in, as I understand it 09:17:39 i just think trading reliance on proper graphics drivers being installed for reliance on a modern browser being installed would be bad 09:18:00 -!- Scherzo_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:18:02 geekosaur: there's enough 2D libraries to not have to care about hardware access 09:18:17 modern browsers are more ubiquitous 09:18:26 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:25 doesnt webtiles need python, too? 09:19:29 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:32 that is certainly not ubiquitous 09:20:11 <|amethyst> webtiles only works on Unix 09:20:11 alefury: out of curiosity, have you been using the enhancers more or the slaying more? 09:20:23 the enhancers 09:20:34 |amethyst, I thought I recalled messing with it on a windows system, you're sure its Unix only? (I'm not certain, I very well could be mis-remembering) 09:20:34 the slaying is handy though, i can kill easy stuff with my staff of conj... 09:20:40 my guess would be that the enhancers are more powerful because it is easier to stay at high HP while blasting with spells 09:20:50 also it was very nice with wyrmbane :) 09:20:56 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: not 100% sure 09:21:20 im also wearing archmagi, i had max power firebolt really early 09:21:29 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: I guess if msys can simulate unix-domain sockets on Windows 09:21:40 alefury: my point is, it'd be best to use some fast 2D layer, like SDL 09:21:45 so my inclination for a nerf would be to nerf spell power more than the slaying 09:22:15 the slaying might even be okay. its really good, but this is a tier 3 facet 09:22:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 09:23:02 maybe just change the spell power to 0.25 or 0.3 09:23:45 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:52 btw, do you know if the slaying is just damage or both? 09:24:12 uh, I forget, let me check 09:24:46 it is both 09:24:53 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 09:25:27 |amethyst: unix-domain sockets are needed only for a server, connecting webtiles in a more direct way is also an option 09:25:35 I mean, without tornado 09:25:42 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25:57 <|amethyst> kilobyte: you mean, put an HTTP server in crawl? 09:27:23 |amethyst: I mean, tornado fits a multi-user server, sending json messages can be done other ways 09:27:37 especially if you don't care about round trip time (on localhost) 09:31:28 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol hmm... I guess CSZO is just having major memory fragmentation issues then 09:31:29 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 09:33:21 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 09:35:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:36:02 hmm, i should probably do a zig with cleaving with that slaying 09:36:07 should be fun 09:39:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:02 how about merging staff of energy and channeling? (not a new idea, i know) 09:43:34 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:36 straight-on? 09:44:50 -!- Thrkk has quit [Client Quit] 09:46:18 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:54 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:46:56 yes 09:47:08 they both suck, and it fits somewhat thematically 09:47:19 |amethyst: the message merging could mean that the server uses a lot more memory though 09:47:19 edlothiol: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:47:44 what was the point of nerfing staves of energy that much then? 09:48:25 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... it doesn't seem to be running low on memory per se, and even the DMA zone has a reasonable amount free 09:49:26 <|amethyst> edlothiol: but I guess larger packets on the other end means more large chunks of DMA memory used 09:49:50 kilobyte: i think the rationale was that letting people use it with no hunger at all was bad 09:50:00 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:10 s/ it / level 9 spells / 09:50:16 it's not like spell hunger is an important thing in the first place 09:50:22 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:50:31 <|amethyst> degeneracy rather than quality I guess 09:50:36 otherwise we'd put in a cap on digestion speed 09:50:37 kilobyte: I think that the idea was that 1/3 hunger wouldn't change which spells were totally hungerless 09:50:50 I tend to agree that it didn't need to be changed though 09:51:31 but with current staff of energy, at least spellcasting and intelligence still *affect* hunger 09:52:10 so at least in theory it is a more interesting effect 09:52:42 (it's also a weaker effect, and spell hunger isn't very important anyway as you say...) 09:54:00 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 09:54:09 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:54:39 An error message appears at the start of a sprint game by hayenne 09:54:54 it was 1/2, then you changed it to 1/3 and it's still hardly ever used... 09:54:59 right 09:55:05 what about going back to a nice round number of 0? 09:55:25 fine by me 09:55:38 merging it with one of the other staves seems more interesting to me than eliminating hunger 09:55:53 even both could work 09:56:00 <|amethyst> kilobyte: should Lear go down to +25 or should the check in dbg-scan go up to 27? 09:56:01 we could do both, yes 09:56:08 maybe, yeah 09:56:15 |amethyst: heh 09:56:16 we could even remove it altogether :P 09:56:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:57:04 or remove staff of channeling... dpeg would love having one less source of channeling I think 09:58:05 combine them, THEN remove them 09:58:18 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:24 LexAckson: clearly saves work 09:58:39 bah 09:58:49 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:01 power, wizardry, channeling, energy between them don't seem interesting enough between them to justify being on 4 seperate staves 09:59:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:09 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:59:25 (is what i was trying to say before the internet rudely interrupted me) 09:59:57 MarvinPA: do you have a reliable machine to IRC from? 10:00:55 not entirely, i'm subject to the whims of wireless internet :P 10:02:06 all of those staves are fairly boring compared with enhancer staves, yes 10:02:09 yeah, this and IP changing daily on an old ISP in the past made me IRC from a remote server exclusively 10:03:06 wizardry and power nearly duplicate rings, channeling is by far the weakest source of channeling in the game, and energy just affects how often you press e 10:03:19 could maybe pick one set of effects from them and just make it a single staff of 10:03:59 although put like that it sounds tempting to just remove all four :P 10:04:33 power could be boosted 10:04:34 I think it might be good to think of a melee effect 10:04:50 staff of buddysphere 10:04:58 enhancer staves benefit a lot in interest/playability by having melee effects 10:05:06 a meaningfully bigger maxmp, or perhaps even increased regen, would be valuable and perhaps even overpowered effect 10:05:49 not really, melee staves have been nerfed into uselessness for anything but popcorn 10:05:51 kilobyte: I think staff of power isn't really underpowered currently... if you get one early on it can be very good 10:05:55 huh? 10:06:08 a lot of people disagree with that last statement :P 10:06:21 elliptic: this is what I mean: it works early on because it adds a fixed number 10:06:38 theyre very good against the enemies that dont resist them 10:06:58 elliptic: for _melee_, that is. They're awesome for casting spells. 10:07:02 kilobyte: right, changing it to be proportional is a possibility I guess 10:07:11 kilobyte: again, lots of people use them for melee and love it 10:07:23 lainw: tbh i think right now it's all very strong ... i was beating the crap out of pretty tough uniques quite early just with song/infusion 10:09:10 |amethyst: the fun thing about Lear is that I tested it thoroughly at +25, then compared with plates and bumped it to Crawl's magic value of 27 just before commit :p 10:11:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:19 <|amethyst> staff of channelling -> antimagic attack that gives you MP ? 10:13:38 <|amethyst> instead of being evocable I mean 10:13:40 kilobyte: 5 of the 9 DDEE wins in cv>0.11 used enhancer staff melee a lot 10:13:59 kilobyte: (2 of the other 4 were n78291 speedrunning DDEE of ely) 10:14:20 I do use them a lot, for swatting popcorn 10:14:43 I mean, as the primary melee attack 10:15:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:16:21 5633, 5597, 3241 attacks from the three with action_counts 10:16:49 the problem with action_counts is that they show what you kill easy monsters with, not hard ones 10:17:05 it would be harder to gather this data, though 10:17:15 killing "easy" monsters is important too though 10:17:21 especially on an EE who's primary spellcaster 10:17:22 to save MP for killing hard monsters 10:17:54 I'm not sure why you even care about the distinction... the point is that people find it worthwhile to train their skills to have decent enhancer staff melee, and they like doing this 10:18:34 i just had a zig:27 with just a bunch of undead dragons and some blizzard demons and a lich, it was dumb 10:18:42 calling them "nerfed into uselessness" is just nonsense 10:18:46 since they are clearly being used 10:19:10 you don't really care what you kill popcorn with, as long as it goes away and doesn't leave you mp-less for real fights 10:19:40 kilobyte: if I get a demon whip on an EE and use that, I'm still not likely to use it against frederick... does that mean that a demon whip is useless? 10:19:42 (no) 10:22:08 you can use any other weapon that's not a rusty noodle, my point it that they're not the primary means of fighting challenging enemies 10:23:03 sometimes they are 10:23:18 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:23:25 I have certainly played chars who used staff of death as the primary attack for a full 3-rune game, for instance 10:23:49 do you mean primary against weak enemies, or hard ones? 10:23:55 against all enemies 10:24:03 seriously have you even *tried* to use enhancer staves? they are still good 10:24:56 ??staff damage 10:24:59 staff damage[1/2]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. Air also needs to pass a (damage dealt + air + 1)/20 chance, and death a (necro + 1)/8 chance. 10:25:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:25:50 turns out that random2(1.25*30) extra damage per hit on is good, and that's without actually raising skills all the way to 27 10:26:03 s/hit on/hit on a delay 0.6 weapon/ 10:26:13 does air do elec or 'air' damage 10:26:16 elec 10:32:48 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:49 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:59 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36:45 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:39:14 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:39:51 with all skills at 15, fsim against a stone giant with a staff of death: 10:39:57 Attacking: 14.7 | 46 | 93% | 13.8 | 60 | 1.67 | 22.9 10:40:05 and with a +9 demon blade of freezing: 10:40:11 Attacking: 12.1 | 52 | 93% | 11.3 | 60 | 1.67 | 18.9 10:40:28 -!- Nort has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:34 of course the staff works using two extra skills, but if you are raising those skills anyway... 10:41:51 (there's also no real point in raising staves above 12: damage just goes from 22.6 to 22.9 when staves is raised from 12 to 15 there) 10:42:55 ok, that's a bit different from what I thought 10:43:23 Yes, enhancer staves are still often better than normal melee weapons if you are using the spell skills anyway 10:43:33 ah, stone giants have pretty godd AC as monsters go 10:43:35 Which seems appropriate, really 10:43:44 s/dd/od/ 10:44:18 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:44:28 kilobyte: yeah, against 0 AC stuff the dblade is a bit better at those skills 10:44:42 not better enough 10:44:45 you're right 10:46:34 you have to train extra skills (unless you are with nemelex you probably don't care that much about the evo) and find the right enhancer staff, and a *really* good melee weapon will still beat them, but enhancer staves are certainly reasonable options currently I think 10:47:02 Yeah, I personally still favor enhancer staff melee on a lot of my characters that have heavy spell skill investment 10:47:10 It's not as amazing as it once was, but still quite good 10:47:29 Speaking of which, though, would it be so bad if staff of poison melee wasn't so comparatively pathetic? 10:47:45 no, feel free to buff it :P 10:47:52 Haha, fair enough 10:48:17 I do like the idea of merging some of the misc staffs, incidentally 10:48:25 As was mentioned earlier 10:48:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:24 power can probably work on its own 10:51:36 Power is good if you find it early 10:51:47 Almost never worth using later, in my opinion 10:52:49 Wizardry feels kind of boring as a staff effect, since if you are casting with a staff you almost always would rather some OTHER staff, if you could. 10:53:42 And it doesn't really do anything for long for spells you want to make primary tools, since you'd hopefully be levelling skills to the point where you don't NEED wizardry for them, at least in that form 10:53:44 unless it's wizardry what you're looking for 10:53:52 yeah 10:54:00 also using ring of wizardry + enhancer staff is basically always better if you care about your spell power 10:54:06 Yeah 10:54:20 Probably I see it mostly used as a swap to cast haste or borg or something if you can't QUITE do that yet 10:54:25 yes 10:54:40 wizardry is for the window between the spell getting barely castable until you can cast it comfortably 10:54:45 swapping wizardry to cast haste is something I used to do a lot but stopped because it was annoying 10:54:51 Yeah, it is kind of annoying 10:55:08 kilobyte: well, you can also save on skill xp if you really want 10:55:10 So like, it might be okay to stick as a bonus on some merged staff that you'd want to keep on for other reasons, but probably as a swap it is fine to die 10:55:18 by just not training charms up as high ever 10:55:23 less annoying than swapping rings actually 10:55:35 Well, with a ring of wizardry, you can probably just keep it on 10:55:38 If you actually want wizardry 10:55:47 swapping rings also takes more time 10:55:52 depends on your setup, yeah 10:55:57 meaning there is more cost to using ring of wizardry as a swap 10:56:08 Lots of characters want haste that aren't happy having useless staff melee 10:56:16 (But a ring slot is a lot less sacrifice for utility spells) 10:56:31 I also see people using staff of wizardry for blade hands / dragon form, btw 10:56:35 Yeah, that too 10:56:42 because it conveniently melds itself and doesn't get in the way 10:56:45 Yeah 10:57:14 DracoOmega: for now, I'd: merge energy (at 0) and channeling; make power increase its effect with Spc(?); no idea about wizardry 10:57:17 yeah 10:57:38 <|amethyst> make power increase its effect with Evo 10:57:43 -!- AntiPlaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:57:48 power being dependent on a skill seems a bit strange to me, how about just making it depend on your MP 10:57:53 |amethyst: care to suggest a formula? 10:57:57 elliptic: or that 10:58:03 elliptic: again, formula please :) 10:58:04 Well, evo skill does kind of make sense, since staves already use evo for stuff 10:58:09 I guess having it depend on evo might be fine, yes 10:58:23 or even XL 10:58:26 though balancing for 0 evo and 27 evo might be hard 10:58:35 please no XL, that does weird things with different exp apts 10:59:00 <|amethyst> the problem I see with basing it on MP is that the maxmp stepdowns kind of work against that 10:59:03 As for melee effect, I admit to finding |amethyst's bit about some merged staff restoring mp by hitting things kind of interesting. Not sure how well that would work in practice for a few reasons 11:00:05 there's also the question of whether rings of magical power should change as well 11:00:17 <|amethyst> currently it's +10, right? 11:00:21 +9 11:00:29 iirc staff is +13, ring is +9 11:00:35 They do suffer a similar problem of 'nice at low levels, mostly worthless at high ones', yes 11:00:50 or am I getting confused with something else 11:00:52 ??staff of power 11:00:53 staff of power[1/1]: +13 MP. The staff has its own supply of MP, which depletes rapidly when not wielded. So you can switch weapons for butchering without losing MP, but leave it in your backpack too long, and you'll find it empty again. 11:00:55 okay 11:01:17 oh the thing with swapping for butchering is no longer needed 11:01:50 Would it be too radical to suggest merging wizardry and magical power rings? >.> 11:01:54 <|amethyst> maybe pre-stepdown: +8 + (evo / 2) MP ? so slightly worse than the ring with no skill, same as currently with 10 evo, +21 at max evo ? 11:02:19 <|amethyst> or is +21 still not enough? 11:02:35 the problem is that this will be a nerf for almost all chars 11:02:39 <|amethyst> true 11:02:54 a bit strange to rely on evo for a non-evo item 11:02:58 I think it's probably okay to make it give a lot at high evo? Since you have also had to train evo 11:03:08 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the idea being that staves are generally evo items 11:03:09 Which for a lot of characters isn't going to do a large amount else 11:03:38 (Well, maybe when I merge the elemental evoker branch...) 11:04:38 I think something like + (A + B*MP) might be simpler and better than the evo dependence... but coming up with a good A and B is hard 11:05:11 A=10 B=0.2 ? 11:05:18 or less A more B 11:05:54 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-657-ga3d5771: Vary layout_gridlike room shapes and add some per-branch variations 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 174+ 41-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3d57710520d 11:05:56 Well, I think it is probably okay to err on the side of 'too powerful' for the timebeing anyway, since it is an underused item 11:05:56 I was thinking less A more B 11:05:56 At least a little 11:05:57 <|amethyst> elliptic: what is "MP" here? inherent MP from skills/XL only? 11:06:18 <|amethyst> elliptic: or would it be boosted by rings of power 11:06:37 |amethyst: your MP before applying staff of power but after everything else 11:06:52 btw this plus should still be halved above 50 as normal 11:07:34 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:58 !lg dpeg 11:07:59 dpeg: You have 11 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:07:59 1638. dpeg the Devastator (L27 OpMo), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) (kmap: hall_of_Zot) on Zot:5 on 2013-05-07 15:49:52, with 696122 points after 158238 turns and 10:32:57. 11:08:04 I think it might need a nice bit more B if we do actually want any chance of it being competitive for a weapon slot at high levels. Unless the staff also does something else, TOO, of course 11:09:00 B=0.4 A=5 maybe 11:11:17 Well, that's +15 mp in total if you have 40 base, yes? 11:11:18 I just wanted to congratulate you on the 0.12 tournament! 11:11:57 Admittedly, perhaps I would find just raw mp at that point of the game a little underwhelming unless it was a lot more than that. Maybe that's somewhat of a personal thing? 11:12:20 It's a wise decision putting the end of it days before the big nethack tournament starts. This way you won't suffer any significant loss in players during it. 11:12:45 Do we really have that much playerbase overlap these days, I wonder? :P 11:13:09 of those that havenare left playing nethack 11:13:29 *of those who haven't stopped playing nethack, yes, quite a few play both :) 11:13:33 bhaak: honestly nethack did not enter my mind when figuring out tournament scheduling :P but I'm glad they don't overlap... when is the nethack tourney? 11:13:43 oh is this junethack? 11:13:45 yes 11:13:48 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:14:07 this time again completely in june, for the second time :) 11:15:29 DracoOmega: it can't be that large an overlap given that we get a lot more players than they do ;P 11:15:41 Heh 11:16:17 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:31 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:48 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:20:18 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: There is no dark side of the moon really. As a matter of fact it's all dark. The only thing that makes it look light is the sun.] 11:25:18 MUT_HIGHT_MAGIC, MUT_LOW_MAGIC and ATTR_DIVINE_VIGOUR affect staves/rings of power, is that intentional? 11:25:43 I don't know but it does sound wrong to me 11:26:09 I'd expect that MP from items should be applied last 11:28:23 curerent order: 1. level+skills, 2. stepdown, 3. rot, 4. cap at 50, 5. staves/rings of power, 6. mutations, vigour. 7. halving anything above 50, 8. antimagic 11:29:04 mutations vs cap and half-cap seems strange 11:29:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:29:39 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:29:53 the cap should really be applied by the stepdown IMO 11:30:00 as in, doesn't stepdown have a parameter for capping? 11:30:27 <|amethyst> elliptic: there's a comment about this 11:30:43 <|amethyst> // Yes, we really do want this duplication... this is so the stepdown // doesn't truncate before we apply the rotted base. We're doing this // the nice way. -- bwr 11:31:04 what does rot here mean, anyway? 11:31:20 Max mp lost to stuff like DD recharging, I guess? 11:31:21 just DD ability MP usage? 11:31:22 <|amethyst> you.mp_max_temp 11:31:34 And mummy self-restoration 11:31:40 !apt dd mp 11:31:41 DD (SK_MP)=0 11:31:45 !apt mu mp 11:31:49 they won't make it to 50 anyway 11:31:57 Mu (SK_MP)=0 11:32:01 so this ordering is irrelevant 11:32:14 MP 0 means 49 MP max naturally with just level+skills 11:32:20 Did Enter the Abyss used to cost max mp? 11:32:24 Or was it just hp? 11:32:31 maybe, I forget 11:34:00 <|amethyst> it did rot_mp(coinflip() ? 2 : 1); 11:34:06 <|amethyst> so yes 11:34:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:14 so I'd say: 1. level+skills, 2. stepdown, (including cap at 50), 3. "rot", 4. mutations, vigour, 5. rings of power, 6. staff of power, 7. half-cap, 8. antimagic 11:36:37 <|amethyst> elliptic: with +MP artefacts alongside rings of power? 11:36:43 right 11:36:57 ie, rings/artefacts should be affected by the staff? 11:37:28 kilobyte: sure, I think that could go either way so let's err on the side of the staff being good 11:37:58 <|amethyst> FR: rename "hat of Pondering" to "cap of Pondering", have it give you fixed 50 maxmp 11:38:23 is that a reference to something I should know 11:38:28 <|amethyst> just "cap" 11:38:32 actually, looks like the hat of Pondering is the only artefact that affects MP 11:38:34 oh right 11:38:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:54 kilobyte: randart rings of MP 11:39:02 <|amethyst> kilobyte: that's not made of chocolate 11:39:12 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:39:26 yay the magic value of 13 used in multiple places 11:39:34 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:32 <|amethyst> bwr is Brent Ross? 11:40:32 if ((you.max_magic_points + 13) * (1.0+player_mutation_level(MUT_HIGH_MAGIC)/10.0) > 50) mpr("You feel your magic capacity is already quite full."); 11:40:59 yay using just some factors, without any obvious messages why 11:41:05 s/messages/comments/ 11:43:05 <|amethyst> Out of curiosity... have any of the LDC devs other than atomjack contributed to DCSS? 11:48:45 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:46 LDC? 11:48:53 <|amethyst> Linley's Dungeon Crawl 11:49:07 Oh 11:49:20 <|amethyst> I guess "pre-SS" is the usual term here 11:49:26 Yeah, probably 11:50:09 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: btw, you still haven't added yourself to the devs list on the wiki 11:50:12 -!- Wolf_Crawl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:50:35 ??devteam 11:50:36 devteam[1/9]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 11:51:08 <|amethyst> mumra: you too (haven't added yourself to the devs list on the wiki; ??devteam for the URL) 11:51:11 I don't see mumra there either I think? yes 11:51:54 Oh, so I haven't 11:54:02 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:57 -!- hobokenzephyrs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:04:28 -!- nsillik has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:04:29 -!- nsillik_ is now known as nsillik 12:07:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-657-ga3d5771 (34) 12:08:30 an octopode[Ely] with max skills, high mp 3, 8 rings of power who just invoked Vigour goes from 111 to 147 maxmp 12:12:32 what should be the effect of staves of power on djinn? 12:13:25 it could just affect the mp portion of their essence and be kind of weak 12:13:56 the whole djinn max_ep formula needs rethinking 12:14:39 for example, berserkers will want at least some Evoc for a cheap boost 12:15:19 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:58 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:18:33 most berzerkers want some evoc anyway 12:19:26 yeah, but for at least related reasons 12:20:21 the stepdown means first few levels of the skill have a large effect 12:21:25 it's not really different from DDBe wanting evo for MP 12:21:37 I wouldn't worry about it too much for now, at least 12:25:39 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:29:27 Who has update abilities for http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots , anyway? Or at least the monster data there? 12:34:19 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: maybe kilobyte? 12:34:25 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: if not, then Napkin 12:34:49 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: 1kb has access to update the version of 'monster' used with Gretell, anyway 12:34:52 Because it doesn't show data on the new 0.12 Vault monsters and uniques still, and it ought to especially now that it's released 12:34:59 <|amethyst> @??-version 12:34:59 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-a0-243-g91c138b 12:35:01 <|amethyst> @?-version 12:35:02 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.10.1-54-ga41a5f4 12:35:19 <|amethyst> the web one: Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12-a0-1587-g7a77bec 12:35:25 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-a0-233-gd092828 12:35:25 <|amethyst> %??-version 12:35:28 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12-b1-77-g92cd43b 12:35:28 <|amethyst> %?-version 12:35:43 <|amethyst> I guess I could upgrade chei's versions 12:35:50 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.11.2-3-gc26df3e 12:35:50 <|amethyst> %0.11?-version 12:35:56 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.11 12:36:00 03kilobyte * 0.11.3: Changelog for 0.11.3 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d05c06c54f34 12:36:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:28 -!- tyrsky has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:41:43 -!- kryft has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:44 |amethyst: do you have a version that compiles? 12:46:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yes, http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git branches bleeding-edge-crawl and dcss012 12:46:49 <|amethyst> oh wait 12:47:00 <|amethyst> breakage 12:48:47 <|amethyst> %git 8bf01c43 12:48:47 03kilobyte * 0.13-a0-270-g8bf01c4: Use FixedBitArray instead of large arrays of bools. 10(4 weeks ago, 29 files, 98+ 113-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bf01c43c17c 12:49:44 <|amethyst> oh, because [] doesn't (and can't) return a reference 12:50:08 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-a0-657-ga3d5771 12:50:08 <|amethyst> %??-version 12:50:20 Jessica (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 10 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 25 | Sp: pain (d7), slow, haste, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:50:20 <|amethyst> %??jessica 12:50:46 |amethyst: kinda sucks that there's no []= operator, doesn't it? 12:51:12 if you know what I mean 12:51:42 <|amethyst> well, just []= would be kind of funny, since there are plenty of other reason you'd want an lvalue 12:52:03 hmm 12:52:03 <|amethyst> but something like that would be nice even if it wasn't completely flexible 12:53:02 you never have this problem in Haskell 12:53:19 <|amethyst> referential transparency gives you a lot :) 12:55:01 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12.1-6-ga599f7d 12:55:01 <|amethyst> %?-version 12:56:02 <|amethyst> kilobyte: okay, the version at s-z.org should work now. dcss012 didn't need any further changes, just trunk 12:56:41 soo ... I hope nobody minds if I cherry-pick the assert/ASSERT changes to rltiles/tool ? The extra rebuilds when I go to cherry pick something else are inordinately irritating to me ... 12:56:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:03:51 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-657-ga3d5771 13:04:19 the sky would surely fall! 13:04:46 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and do you have permissions for the one at /wordpress/bots ? 13:06:16 -!- JamezQ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:06:30 I doubt so 13:06:32 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.11.3 13:06:32 <|amethyst> %0.11?-version 13:06:38 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.10.4 13:06:38 <|amethyst> %0.10?-version 13:06:45 -!- keszocze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:07:27 <|amethyst> I really should move Chei to cszo 13:10:05 <|amethyst> I should also invest in some more hard drives for cszo 13:10:16 <|amethyst> s/invest in/rent/ 13:12:00 -!- Sealer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:37 does anyone know if this obsidian axe issue will be fixed now: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5555 13:15:47 there were some obsidian axe changes if i'm right? 13:17:10 that doesn't really look like an issue with obsidian axe... like, I'd imagine the same thing can happen if you change your rcfile to make sirens or whatever not stop autoexplore too 13:17:20 (but I haven't tested this) 13:17:58 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18:49 %git 592a301caf6 13:18:49 03Grunt * 0.11-a0-3046-g592a301: Don't let the obsidian axe mesmerise towards any M_NO_EXP_GAIN monster. 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=592a301caf62 13:18:58 this should fix the issue with butterflies in particular though 13:21:23 That was for IOODs, IIRC, but should work for butterflies too. 13:21:36 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:01 I'll look into this after I get home if nobody else does <_< 13:22:43 butterflies have M_NO_EXP_GAIN 13:24:06 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:24:22 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:24:33 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:56 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:14 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:03 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:30 I guess autoexplore should ALWAYS stop when you're mesmerized? 13:28:45 options or no options 13:28:59 that sounds reasonable, yes 13:29:38 possibly as a consequence of movement failure 13:29:53 possibly just as soon as you're mesmerized 13:30:25 just as soon as you are mesmerized seems better 13:32:38 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:42 "And most important, no reason was stated other than "renames are bad"." 13:32:45 impeach kilobyte 13:33:00 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:43 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:08 o/~ renames can be o/~ for evil or good o/~ 13:34:53 I don't care about the argument anymore I care about the fact that there is no argument 13:35:12 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:22 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 13:35:47 yeah I was just abusing a chrono trigger remix 13:36:12 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:19 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:32 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:29 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:42:25 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:50 lainiw: sos nerf suggestion - with each kill roll whether to boost accuracy or damage this time, rather than a flat +1 boost to both 13:47:00 I think it best they stay the same 13:47:06 More clear that way 13:47:09 There are other knobs to tweak 13:47:32 I admit I kinda like the suggestion in the thread to make it a bit like wyrmbane, in that the maximal boost depends on the HD of the stuff you kill 13:48:07 It wouldn't need to be 1-to-1 like wyrmbane, but something in that vein 13:48:16