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09:22:00 line 24: self.render("client.html", socket_server = protocol + host + ":10080" + "/socket", 09:22:04 :P 09:22:28 nginx runs on 10080, tornado runs on port 8080 09:22:37 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22:50 -!- s951 has quit [Client Quit] 09:22:54 <|amethyst> ohh 09:23:10 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:23 Not everyone runs on custom ports so 09:23:24 <|amethyst> so it was correctly using the port webtiles was configured for... but that wasn't right in the proxy situation 09:23:44 yeah 09:23:47 I guess 09:23:49 <|amethyst> the servers use custom ports 09:24:16 <|amethyst> it's 8080 (the default) on CAO, but 80 on CSZO 09:24:37 not sure why the proxy changes things but, yeah, need to add the proxy port there 09:25:01 <|amethyst> Mattias: because the server has the wrong idea about what port people use to connect to it 09:25:16 <|amethyst> Mattias: it's configured for 8080 so thinks it should give people URIs for 8080 09:25:23 <|amethyst> I guess 09:25:42 but it didn't use 8080 even, it used no port at all (default 80 that is) 09:25:58 <|amethyst> hm 09:26:05 it did ws://my.domain.org/socket instead of ws://my.domain.org:port/socket 09:26:12 maybe it's the proxy causing that 09:26:38 unless ws:// runs on 8080 by default :P 09:27:01 I need to check if it uses a port if I run without the proxy 09:27:52 yeah, it does use :8080 then 09:27:54 odd 09:28:40 so the proxy drops the port from the self.request.host variable or something 09:29:40 * Mattias is confused :) 09:32:33 <|amethyst> when you're using the proxy, you still have webtiles on port 8080, not 80? 09:32:40 yeah, 8080 09:32:46 <|amethyst> I'm confused too then 09:32:55 the upstream nginx uses is connecting to 127.0.0.1:8080 09:33:15 <|amethyst> I would expect host to be "127.0.0.1:8080" then 09:33:18 yeah 09:35:19 I quite fail to see what you gain from proxying websockets 09:35:43 it's payload is opaque to nginx, so you gain no security 09:36:16 on the other hand, you lose a bit of performance and get a bunch of problems like this 09:36:42 s/it's/its/, doh! 09:36:49 kilobyte: I can't open more ports, and I already run nginx so, I'm using that to get access to the tornado server 09:37:21 Not my network at the place I have my server, but I get to have it there for free :P 09:38:23 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:39:01 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:39:03 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:53 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:49:08 Runs very smoothly :) no lag at all, but I'm only one player too so.. 09:52:01 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:48 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 10:03:21 -!- SkaryMonk1 has left ##crawl-dev 10:03:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:06:02 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:59 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-627-g159d3db: Don't give fungus form rF- 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=159d3dbeef32 10:11:01 !tell lainiw I mentioned your patch on this tavern thread, you might want to check there now and then for any feedback too: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7611 10:11:01 mumra: OK, I'll let lainiw know. 10:11:49 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 10:11:53 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 10:13:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:07 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:15:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:57 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23:12 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:00 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:36:01 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:03 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:34 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:58 -!- Guest24826 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:39:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:39:42 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:40:50 -!- Wolf is now known as Guest69460 11:01:07 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:13 ontoclasm: where would be your preferred place to keep tile requests? The wiki page appears to be totally unused. 11:08:09 * kilobyte needs a golden chainmail pyjama, ie, Lear's with a hood, gloves and feet. 11:08:34 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:45 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 11:11:54 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:17:11 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20:12 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:23:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:26:23 -!- Guest69460 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27:09 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:38 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:28:40 -!- Zauren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:51 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:29:55 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:35:00 -!- sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:58 -!- Eggie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39:02 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:36 -!- aa99 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:40:52 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 11:47:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:51:56 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:24 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58:21 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:54 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:58:56 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 12:01:36 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:04:05 -!- nsillik has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:04:05 -!- nsillik_ is now known as nsillik 12:04:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:05:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:52 -!- mumra has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:06:14 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 12:07:06 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:40 -!- mumra_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:22 -!- Zermak is now known as Zermako 12:08:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:52 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 12:08:59 @??wandering mushroom 12:08:59 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 313 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 12:13:07 !lm bmfx milestone=enter_dis 12:13:08 No milestones for bmfx (milestone=enter_dis). 12:13:18 !lm bmfx br_enter=dis 12:13:19 Unknown field: br_enter 12:15:11 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 12:16:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:17:36 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-627-g159d3db (34) 12:19:02 can I report a bug here? 12:19:06 *may 12:19:37 ??mantis 12:19:37 bug[1/2]: To report bugs, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 12:20:35 you're also welcome to talk about it here, of course, especially if you're not sure it's a bug 12:22:00 So, who should I pester to get the WebTiles message combining patch for 0.12 before tourney? 12:22:48 which patch? 12:23:25 %git 188f9dc6 12:23:25 03Medar * 0.13-a0-548-g188f9dc: Combine WebTiles messages and send them together 10(6 days ago, 7 files, 71+ 17-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=188f9dc64222 12:23:56 %git fac9a833a 12:23:56 03edlothiol * 0.13-a0-606-gfac9a83: Fix a problem with Webtiles formatted_scroller handling. 10(26 hours ago, 3 files, 12+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fac9a833ab55 12:24:57 Whether it's actually 0.12 material I wouldn't know 12:25:08 But I really don't want to play without it :E 12:25:47 oh, no wonder git can't find that revision ... I'm in the wrong project tree ;-P 12:26:48 anything that makes the tourney harder to play is critical imo, since so many users seem badly affected by cdo webtiles 12:26:59 unless there's any way we can get cdo webtiles back in the next 4 days 12:27:53 well, I'm not sure it's a bug, but lightning probably travels pretty quickly 12:28:01 s/harder/easier/ or however my sentence should have been phrased ;) 12:28:21 Haha :p 12:28:23 Crawl is too easy 12:28:26 so a goblin shouldn't have time to get hit once, wake up, shout, get hit a second time, die 12:28:29 mumra: well, one way it applies to the fixes and the other way to problems 12:28:48 which just happened and made me die 12:29:17 That certainly sounds like a bug 12:29:27 Altough if it's lightning, that wakes up everything anyway? :p 12:29:30 SamB: well, you know what i meant. if applying the patch is very likely result in more people playing the tourney (which i believe it is) then there's a strong case for doing it 12:29:46 -!- Wolf is now known as Guest93479 12:29:46 I don't think that's a bug 12:29:57 -!- Guest93479 has quit [Client Quit] 12:30:18 the monster spasms and shouts or whatever when it is first hit 12:30:28 myrmidette: i see no problem with a monster getting out *enough* of a shout in between bounces to alert others. anyway your lightning probably woke everything up anyway. 12:30:31 the fact that it is about to die from the bounce shouldn't affect that 12:30:43 mumra, it was a zap not lightning 12:30:46 zaps are quiet 12:30:58 you mean shock? 12:31:04 um, yeah 12:31:15 it just says 'zap' in the message history 12:31:50 Hmm, I guess you can really see that either way. 12:32:18 It is a bit unintuitive, as there are no death grunts otherwise 12:32:37 So you can say he's screaming while dying, but why wouldn't he do that for other types of attacks ever 12:33:30 Medar: with this he gets a fraction more of a chance before the returning branch 12:33:38 s/branch/bounce 12:34:37 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:40 Well then that's either really slow beam or a really fast shout :p 12:35:03 Medar: it's not a "death grunt", it's a surprise grunt 12:35:06 i see no problem with magical lightning *not* travelling at the speed of sound 12:35:15 (btw hi Grunt) 12:35:30 and even if it does travel at the speed of sound, dungeon distances are very relative anyway 12:36:24 of course it's really unlikely to run into a situation where it matters 12:36:51 a surprise grunt is when you get D:27 profane halls 12:37:00 in terms of gameplay, doublezaps are very powerful already, i see no problem with them having a small ocassional downside 12:37:03 or twisty_little_passages on your speedrun 12:37:05 elliott: lol 12:37:12 i thought that was a badgrunt 12:37:27 A death grunt is old profane_halls. <_< 12:38:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:38:33 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:40:53 Medar: playing .12 and .11 webtiles side by side, the playability difference is very obvious to me. personally i would vote for cherry-picking this before the tournament, especially as a webtiles server update isn't even relevant to any releases. 12:41:19 mumra: do you mean .12 and .13? 12:41:27 yes that's what i meant 12:41:33 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is gone! (/kick sami for me <3)] 12:41:34 Yep, would be nice 12:41:36 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41:36 i keep typing the wrong things today 12:41:44 You were close 12:43:13 sadly i think even with this patch a lot of european webtiles players won't play this tournament or at least might play a lot less than last time 12:45:21 * SamB wonders if we could cherry-pick the tilegen changes to 0.12, too ... 12:46:09 oh, did someone fix the graphics corruption thing? 12:47:13 Well, CDO was kind of bad during the last tournament tbh 12:47:20 I ended up mostly playing CSZO 12:47:42 03Medar 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12.1-3-g75aed0a: Combine WebTiles messages and send them together 10(6 days ago, 7 files, 71+ 17-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=75aed0a90be5 12:47:42 03edlothiol 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12.1-4-g8c15962: Fix a problem with Webtiles formatted_scroller handling. 10(26 hours ago, 3 files, 12+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c159626151c 12:47:43 yeah, cdo was never a fast server at the best of times 12:47:48 we need a new earopean server basically 12:48:00 aha 12:48:26 SamB: Thanks 12:48:59 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:49:19 it's a damn shame that the UK server i have access to i would get in trouble if i ran webtiles on there, otherwise i'd have done it already 12:52:08 cdo is faster than ever now :p 12:52:47 yeah, without tiles riff-raff :p 12:54:27 seriously, though, I think there's more european players than those from the US, so having to play already slower webtiles via transcontinental links is pretty bad 12:54:57 kilobyte: especially with extra round-trips 12:55:46 hence, cherry-picking those 12:57:17 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 12:59:22 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:36 hopefully the improvement will be even more noticable for those that had worse lag to begin with 13:03:05 that doesn't mean there's no need for a server 13:03:23 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:47 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:53 no of course, but we're not likely to get one now before the tournament 13:05:17 mumra: it almost certainly will: the bigger the RTT, the more noticeable a reduction in round trips will be, right? 13:05:54 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:06 if not then something has gone wrong with the universe 13:06:31 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:07:57 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-628-g330e58e: Show a hand pointer on sortable webtiles headers 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=330e58eca5d2 13:10:00 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:21:55 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:53 -!- Krag has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:37 -!- brainwrinkle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:34:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:35:19 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:18 -!- serq has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:32 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:42 -!- syllogism has quit [] 13:50:01 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:12 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:12 -!- ark__ has quit [Client Quit] 13:53:27 03galehar 07* 0.13-a0-629-g33fda2d: Disable auto_eat when gourmand is charging up. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=33fda2dd4a8c 13:54:33 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:01 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:55:42 i'm not sure i see the point of disabling gourmand like that really 13:55:56 why wouldn't you want to eat chunks while it's partly charged? they'll only rot away otherwise 13:56:14 er, disabling auto_eat* 13:56:52 also i f you were at starving / near starving 13:56:52 well, it was bad with nausea 13:56:55 it's not like chunks will last the 2000 turns or whatever 13:57:07 whats nausea 13:57:46 and yeah it definitely shouldn't disable auto_eat when you're actually hungry 13:57:47 it wasn't even that bad with nausea, since that just wore off about the time gourmand was charged up anyway 13:57:51 or before going hungry 13:58:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:27 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 14:02:07 i mean maybe it shouldn't auto eat until the chunks are just about to rot in order to get the maximum amount of gourmand charging or something 14:02:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:16 but that sounds not at all worth the effort 14:03:28 yeah, sounds massively overcomplicated 14:03:34 03edlothiol 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12.1-5-gbb54369: Fix using the help during character creation in Webtiles (#6933). 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb54369a864d 14:03:38 and you're likely to be fighting at that time 14:04:21 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:26 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:12 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:37 :3 14:10:46 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:45 Can I actually write or do I just not get a message� 14:11:46 hmm, galehar has a point after all: right after putting gourmand on, you'd eat all chunks for 0 nutrition 14:13:12 Why doesn't gourmand just not work at all at first btw? 14:13:16 well it seems a lot worse to not autoeat at all than it does to waste a few chunks 14:13:17 Instead of gradually becoming better 14:14:00 If you put on gourmand and you are not hungry, you won't care about wasted chunks 14:14:32 the problem of eating chunks while fighting doesn't exist, auto-eat only kicks in when autotravelling 14:14:38 Guess there are always some specific situations where it matters 14:15:12 mumra: I mean, if you wait until just before rotting, it's likely you'll be fighting then 14:15:29 kilobyte: but the autoeat code doesn't run when fighting 14:15:34 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:52 !learn edit layouts[2] s|.*|https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjXhStQL2U2fdEdXSkxMSGFPZVI5Z296MFNUSUM0V1E#gid=3 contains a list of D's layouts by depth and weight, and a full map-to-name chart.| 14:15:53 layouts[2/2]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjXhStQL2U2fdEdXSkxMSGFPZVI5Z296MFNUSUM0V1E#gid=3 contains a list of D's layouts by depth and weight, and a full map-to-name chart. 14:15:55 oh right i see what you mean 14:15:59 hi mumra 14:16:03 hello! 14:16:15 kilobyte: so when *should* auto-eat kick in for gourmand? 14:16:29 tenofswords: that spreadsheet isn't public 14:16:56 fixed 14:17:40 the main thing I've noticed with this update is that there's a pretty good transition of new complicated things until d:15, yes, but then nothing really changes from d:15-22 and only a handful of layouts disappear after that 14:17:47 so more stuff could be done there 14:21:43 -!- serq is now known as Guest22752 14:21:46 tenofswords: my plan is to move a lot of the more cavey layouts to that range, and end some other layouts earlier 14:21:55 -!- Guest22752 has quit [Client Quit] 14:23:41 -!- serq_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:44 and also build some convergence into some layouts so their parameters get increasingly chaotic and/or open thru 15-27 14:25:37 also maybe cut off layout_basic at some point and lower its weight overall 14:27:10 -!- dougster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:30:41 -!- Blade- has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:30:44 -!- Blade-_ is now known as Blade- 14:31:26 so any suggestions on how to fix the gourmand thing? should it just be reverted? 14:31:42 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 14:32:58 -!- Dragon717 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:22 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35:14 it seems like how long to wait before eating is only a decision that the player can make 14:35:27 I can't see it being a problem, especially without nausea. So I would just revert. 14:35:37 i think it's fine too actually 14:35:48 if the player is starving then they won't be able to autotravel so they'd have to eat 14:36:09 i mean, don't revert 14:36:40 well it's clearly much worse than the old state currently 14:36:49 there's no point eating immediately after gourmand is worn, and nothing in this is stopping the player choosing to eat at some point before the amulet is charged 14:37:55 there's no point not eating soon after gourmand is worn 14:38:35 Meh, either fix or revert, I just don't think it'll make much of a difference either way. 14:39:00 it would be easier to tell what to do if gourmand chargeup actually worked well 14:39:38 With the fix, the only the player just has to manually eat during the gourmand ramp-up (as I understand it). Isn't that better than perhaps chewing up all chunks with no benefit. 14:39:56 *the only time 14:40:09 well "all chunks" isn't very much 14:40:18 generally the player is only carrying around a few chunks they can actually eat 14:40:24 and many of those will rot before they're hungry if they eat one now 14:40:34 there's 2000 turns during which it's charging and there's no reason to not eat chunks if you have them 14:40:38 agreed, but it seemed like that situation was the "issue" 14:41:13 right but the "issue" isn't actually really an issue 14:41:34 Well the original issue was nausea, but that's gone 14:41:57 I fully agree, just saying that having to manually eat during the gourmand ramp-up time doesn't seem like much of an issue either (to me) 14:42:05 change it to something like you.duration[DUR_GOURMAND] >= GOURMAND_MAX / 4 14:42:16 mumra: but then it still won't eat chunks when hungry 14:42:33 well that is just a bug or whatever 14:42:48 elliott: it only matters if you're starving and then autotravel won't work 14:42:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:00 it matters if you're hungry 14:43:04 because you want it to aeat chunks 14:43:05 *eat 14:43:06 and if you've just put on gourmand and you're starving then you might want to take gourmand off to eat your chunks anyway 14:43:09 given that there is no reason for it not to 14:43:24 mumra: gourmand doesn't make eathing while hungry worse 14:43:27 surely gourmand chargeup does not decrease nutrition of chunks ate while not satiated 14:43:36 that would be incredibly ridiculous 14:43:37 ohh i see yes 14:43:38 or if it does, it's a bug I would assume 14:44:06 well it's easy to add a hunger check in there anyway 14:44:11 i fixed that already, yeah 14:46:05 i don't think this feature is worth too much worrying over anyway since either way there's a workaround ; exploring manually, or pressing 'e', depending on what the behaviour is ; but manual exploration seems like the more annoying workaround ... 14:46:41 manually exploring to avoid automatically eating chunks that are going to rot away anyway doesn't make any sense at all 14:46:57 i don't see why we should be worried about people doing illogical things for no reason :P 14:47:39 the bigger problem with auto eat is that it wastes turns at bad times 14:47:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:47:55 like when you are shift-moving away from sigmund or whatever and it decides to eat and he catches up with you and you die 14:48:56 tension check, anyone? 14:48:59 given that there's no reasonable way to solve that issue, i would say auto-eat is a slightly silly feature 14:49:11 wait, I guess that only works with him out of LoS 14:49:13 it's a really really good feature 14:49:33 check player's adrenaline levels 14:49:34 I'll rather not use shift-direction than have to manually eat again :p 14:50:03 i don't even notice eating, pressing "ey" when i'm hungry is like an instinctive thing now 14:50:08 it should just not trigger on shift-direction for one 14:50:10 but i guess that's not true for all players 14:50:11 and btw auto eat is a very nice feature 14:50:28 it can also do things like not auto-eat for the first N turns of exploration/resting 14:50:36 so that you're likely not running away from nearby dudes 14:52:13 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:52:22 when i'm playing for an extended period i might forget to eat IRL if that game wasn't regularly reminding me i was hungry, has nobody considered the dangerousness of this feature 14:52:23 -!- Duralumin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:52:43 Would tying it to auto-pickup being enabled or not be horrible? 14:52:53 So you can just ctrl+a when running away from dudes 14:53:00 Since you probably won't want to stop to pick up stuff either 14:53:22 it should certainly take autopickup into account i would say, if there's something invisible around you probably never want to autoeat 14:53:50 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:53:54 Maybe it already does, I never checked actually 14:53:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:55:03 Another thing I was wondering about, is autoeating after butcher (if resting is safe) 14:55:07 just remove all races except mummies and djinn 14:55:31 |amethyst: So, how do I also get my webtiles server to have a ssh/telnet server? which shares the same login. like on cdo and cao. Are they custom-made or in the git repo? 14:55:38 Medar: it doesn't look like it does 14:55:47 rename it tomb crawl 14:55:57 |amethyst: you need DGL and stuff 14:55:58 er. 14:55:59 trawl 14:55:59 Mattias: 14:56:06 * SamB absent-minded 14:56:30 Mattias: |amethyst is certainly the one to ask about this 14:56:32 Mattias: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7812 14:56:44 There is a link to WIP documentation there 14:57:06 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:57:16 so, what if we just removed eating chunks, and slowed hunger down 14:57:25 so there was only permafood 14:57:45 -!- blabber has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:16 LexAckson: spriggans/ghouls 14:58:31 Heh, looks much more complex than the webtiles server :) 14:58:40 LexAckson: st_ proposed that and it got support from at least dpeg, but it's a rather large change 14:58:45 (not that st_ is the first to propose it, just the most recent) 14:59:02 yeah, i though i had not invented the idea 14:59:11 -!- Fear has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:55 Mattias: Some of that is because of using chroot for security. Which I guess you can skip, if it's a private server. 14:59:59 it's just that, why have chunks and then a script to make them eaten automatically 15:00:35 *wonders if there is a wiki for this* 15:00:36 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:41 ??food 15:00:41 because you still make decision based on the availibity of said chunks 15:00:41 food[1/4]: Goes in mouth/beak. Without carnivore or herbivore: Royal jelly weighs 5.5, is 5000 nutrition. Meat weighs 8, is 5000 nutrition. Bread weighs 8, is 4400 nutrition. Honeycomb weighs 4, is 2000 nutrition. A chunk weighs 10, is 1000 nutrition. Takes 4 turns to eat rations, 3 for chunks, 1 for ambrosia, and 2 turns for all other food. 15:00:53 well, food is a tricky balancing act because it covers a range of things 15:00:53 ??4 15:00:54 4[1/1]: The weaker {common demon}s: {blue devil}, {iron devil}, {orange demon}, {red devil}, {rotting devil}, {sixfirhy}, {hellwing}. 15:00:56 whether to eat the chunk at any given time isn't much of a decision 15:00:58 automation is safe by definition 15:01:01 changing the actual mechanism less so 15:01:03 ??food[4] 15:01:04 food[4/4]: Do not eat a ration right before teleporting, or this will happen to you. !lg jeremie opee zot:5 1 -tv:<0.5 15:01:16 but whether to use high hunger spells in crypt is 15:01:29 chunks are involved in too many gameplay mechanics to get rid of (sublimation, simulacra...) 15:01:32 -!- Ark is now known as Guest90023 15:01:34 yeah, but you have permafood in crypt 15:01:40 imo that's not an actual decision 15:01:41 i didn't say get rid of chunks 15:01:45 just eating them 15:01:46 So what exactly is DGL? I did make WEBTILES=y USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y without even knowing what DGL is, it still runs fine though 15:01:48 especially given that you don't need any high-level spells to kill things in crypt :P 15:02:04 so like maybe only ghouls eat chunks 15:02:13 Mattias: dgl is dgamelaunch 15:02:14 and everyone has slower hunger to compensate 15:02:17 it's the console server software 15:02:23 LexAckson: what about spriggans 15:02:24 oh 15:02:42 spriggans can be solved by balancing the amount of veg vs. meat 15:02:43 G-Flex: what about them, they are already doing it right 15:02:46 that's actually fairly easy 15:02:50 going to try setting this up now then, afk while doing so 15:02:52 I imagine if you remove eating chunks people end up being even more incentivized to just kill things with weapons/fists than before 15:02:57 mumra: that works I guess 15:03:00 LexAckson: the point is it's a huge buff to spriggans 15:03:07 yes 15:03:08 eh 15:03:08 ""especially given that you don't need any high-level spells to kill things in crypt :P"" fr level 7 dispel undead 15:03:13 SwissStopwatch: well, not if you tweak the knobs right 15:03:13 since they already rely on permafood anyway 15:03:21 when is the last time you starved as a spriggan? 15:03:22 but the whole thing is knob-tweaking 15:03:23 so buffing permafood is buffing spriggans 15:03:30 it's conceptually trivial to make this change 15:03:41 LexAckson: spriggan food clock prevents them casting a lot of spells with high hunger rate 15:03:44 LexAckson: never, but that's because I pump spellcasting more and don't cast as many super-high-level spells 15:03:47 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:54 I mean if you tweak the knobs to make spell hunger supertrivial 15:03:59 then sure 15:04:16 cursed ring of hunger for all of lair and orc was the only time I starved as a spriggan 15:04:19 then just don't change spriggan food clock 15:04:25 lol 15:04:37 -!- Moanerette_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:04:49 it's a good point about the buff to spriggans 15:04:58 and this is the other problem with removing chunks, it forces you to train spellcasting higher basically 15:05:14 well unless you mess with spell hunger 15:05:35 i bet we could work up a list of hunger rates that would make it work without too much trouble 15:05:43 and then the question is "should we really be messing with spell hunger" 15:05:44 and instead of changing spell hunger 15:06:07 just make the scale bigger 15:06:21 i guess it would depend on the way the code is set up 15:06:25 whatever would be easier 15:06:42 -!- brainwrinkle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:06:45 -!- brainwrinkle__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:52 it's an incredibly non-trivial change to make anyway, vs. making a few tweaks to the autoeat script for those who are actually bothered by eating chunks... 15:07:12 yea 15:07:13 mumra: it's possible to tweak spell hunger values at the same time... 15:07:14 if you remove chunk eating, you'll still have autoeat scripts btw 15:07:20 my main issue is I sometimes think other statuses indicate hunger 15:07:23 because you'll just eat as soon as there is enough room to not waste food 15:07:26 and try to eat when not hungry 15:07:36 and sometimes this results in my eating permafood unintentionally 15:07:38 elliott: are you saying there's currently a problem with spell hunger? 15:07:49 -!- yalue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:56 mumra: no, but you're saying there would be if chunks were removed 15:08:31 I'm inclined to say that there would potentially be a problem with it 15:08:32 elliott: yeah then i said it's an incredibly non-trivial change to make because it also involves all this rescaling of spell hunger and probably numerous other things too... 15:08:51 sure 15:08:57 "it forces you to train spellcasting higher" isn't really true though :P 15:09:17 that was an exaggeration sure :P 15:09:19 it forces you to go Chei to get enough int to deal with spell hunger 15:09:32 -!- brainwrinkle__ has quit [Client Quit] 15:09:44 but for the long term, we want simplest possible solution that works 15:09:49 but if food is non-renewable then it potentially makes things harder for some builds, although i don't know whether that's a bad or good thing 15:10:11 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:11:13 it definitely forces you to be more careful about what spells you're casting 15:11:23 It quite possibly makes it harder for some chars that are already not exactly the easiest 15:11:33 mummy buff 15:11:50 vampire... something 15:13:21 like there's probably a point on some conjurers and elementalists where they end up wanting/needing to use an L4/5 spell a lot but don't have much spellcasting or permafood 15:13:48 -!- Fear has quit [Client Quit] 15:13:50 yeah 15:15:07 without chunk eating, there would surely need to be spell hunger rebalance, but it might not be all that hard to do 15:15:35 it just depends if people think it is worth the time and effort 15:15:41 -!- Mattias has quit [Quit: かがんで廻ってひねってｃｌａｐ！] 15:15:47 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:16:02 although it is fun to eat your fallen foes sometimes 15:16:10 spite eating 15:16:15 Crawl, a cannibalistic murder fantast 15:16:20 haha 15:16:21 I guess spriggans are proof that it is plausible 15:16:31 i don't ever believe people when they say "it might not be that hard to do" ;) 15:16:50 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:54 lol, that's fair 15:17:00 heh 15:17:07 there is also hunger from evocables / god abilities / intrinsics 15:17:08 spriggans have a very low food clock and are good at going fast - even aside from their hunger they frequently don't play like another race would 15:17:12 i wouldn't know anyways, haven't looked at that code in a while 15:17:32 well low is probably an awkward word to use there I guess 15:17:44 "slow" better 15:18:00 by "it" I mean "the idea that crawl could work without permafood" 15:18:00 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:18:09 not "the idea that this wouldn't be hard to implement" 15:18:32 I suppose they are sort of indicative that in theory the game can work using only it 15:18:43 er. 15:18:47 s/without/with only/ 15:18:47 you mean with only permafood? 15:18:58 sorry 15:19:23 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-630-g533e863: Don't place stairs down in the starting Abyss 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=533e863becf8 15:19:23 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-631-gea96ed9: Fix auto_eat not auto eating while hungry and wearing gourmand 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea96ed988dad 15:19:23 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-632-gc2dbacc: Only auto_eat when resting/travelling/exploring, not when running 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2dbacc92465 15:19:23 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-633-gdc88342: Start auto eating chunks again once gourmand is partly charged 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc88342323d0 15:19:31 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:20:02 MarvinPA: ty for the running change 15:20:09 now make it not do it in the first N turns of resting/exploring either :p 15:20:10 cool 15:20:23 Why exploring? 15:20:37 well, a significant amount of time is spent exploring 15:20:39 Would sound better to eat right away, instead running into unknown and then eating (or not because of dudes) 15:20:47 having it stop for hunger would negate a lot of the point 15:20:59 well ok, it would make sense to eat when o starts, right 15:21:02 just not when 5 starts 15:21:19 elliott: why not 15:21:28 I mean, eating should be fine 15:21:36 SamB: because it takes a lot of time to eat 15:21:47 that counts as resting doesn't it? 15:22:03 so if stuff is chasing you and you are trying to get some hp back by pressing 5, knowing that it will stop as soon as they enter los, eating destroys that 15:22:03 or are you saying it should reduce the resting turncount correspondingly? 15:22:10 OH 15:22:10 because if you are eating when they enter los, they will get closer to you 15:22:17 which is dangerous 15:22:25 shift-walk was worse, but it can still happen when pressing 5 15:22:31 or just shoot you a lot, etc 15:22:37 if it didn't eat in the first N turns of resting, it's much less likely anything is coming to get you 15:22:58 an alternate solution would be to have eating as "interruptable" as resting is 15:23:14 though that would reduce the number of funny deaths caused by people eating rations next to gnolls :p 15:23:31 or next to orb guardians 15:23:33 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 15:23:51 SwissStopwatch: i remember that tv where the player eats a bread ration just before a zot:5 tele goes off 15:23:57 and dies to the stuff they tele into immediately 15:24:22 mesmerizing bread 15:24:45 as much as we love our hilarious deaths making eating interruptable is probably good 15:25:12 well it's not totally trivial 15:25:18 see e.g. the issues interruptable resting had in trunk 15:25:22 sure 15:25:40 I just mean "would probably be beneficial to gameplay on balance" 15:26:00 Since I imagine deaths like that feel cheap to the people dying and with good reason 15:26:14 unlike all the times where they think it's cheap but really have no complaint coming 15:27:42 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:28:48 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:56 There are already other things that work like that, so it shouldn't be that hard. 15:29:13 As long as you don't bother with half-eaten food items, and just give the nutrition at the end only. 15:29:23 Which I guess is a bit weird, but... 15:29:58 most of the time spent eating is unwrapping and preparing the food 15:30:05 then you gobble it down at the end 15:30:13 Hah :) 15:30:43 (anything involving half-eaten food items would definitely be a bad idea IMO) 15:30:49