00:03:35 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:04:08 -!- Pedjt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:21 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-153-g1fa10a8 00:05:46 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.2-14-g2e91b11 00:06:55 im noticing on CAO webtiles, playing trunk, if i start as a Tengu Summoner the screen doesnt initialize properly. Should I write a bug report? 00:08:07 Naruni: always yes :) 00:08:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-528-gc7ca69a (34) 00:12:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:13:37 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:14:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:15:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:43 what 'branch' would trunk be considered? 00:16:58 0.13 00:17:04 master 00:23:00 Screen doesnt init when choosing Tengu Summoner by Naruni 00:31:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:41 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:20 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:33 -!- tcjc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:47:20 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:40 -!- Boyo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:23 -!- wtface has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 00:51:01 -!- joosa has quit [Read error: 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hours ago, 2 files, 168+ 58-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f10432ccc7b5 01:39:01 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-530-g25ef6f3: Combine connect_adjacent_rooms and connect_adjacent_rooms2 10(7 minutes ago, 4 files, 42+ 164-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25ef6f301dcd 01:53:47 -!- Hosg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:14 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-531-gaef62c5: Clean up leftover debug.h code from 7971002b and 64c133e5. 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aef62c58e9fe 01:54:53 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:57:21 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:38 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:26 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:34 |amethyst: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7812 02:14:10 someone wants to contribute a server 02:14:25 to replace cdo webtiles 02:24:13 -!- Unflexed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:26:08 -!- kait 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MP gains can be blocked, but what with MP costs, including casting? 06:43:20 03kilobyte 07[djinn] * 0.13-a0-541-g06b75d4: Djinn: for now, give balls of energy an informative fail message. 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06b75d460e7a 06:43:20 03kilobyte 07[djinn] * 0.13-a0-542-ga924650: Djinn: improve M&F (-1 -> 0) and Staves (0 -> +1) aptitudes. 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9246501a874 06:43:20 03kilobyte 07[djinn] * 0.13-a0-543-g19acd93: Djinn: allow potions of magic to repair rot. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19acd93470dc 06:43:23 * kilobyte feels the door needs to stay closed. 06:54:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:33 03kilobyte 07[djinn] * 0.13-a0-544-gcb45503: Djinn: close the Death's Door (temporarily?). 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb455034e882 07:02:35 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-398-gc73457f: Give monstrous DS a scale mutation 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c73457f29f79 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-399-gf5432ac: Remove dprf accidentally left in 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5432ac14e6c 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-400-g092fa32: Differentiate Iridescent and Rough Black scales 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=092fa32faf0b 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-401-gafe756f: New DS mutation: Runed Hands 10(11 days ago, 4 files, 31+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=afe756faf158 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-435-gcd5f249: Give monstrous DS a scale mutation 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd5f249830e6 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-436-gd3168e4: Remove dprf accidentally left in 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3168e4aa0e1 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-437-gde56254: Differentiate Iridescent and Rough Black scales 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=de56254bcde0 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-438-g73c58b8: New DS mutation: Runed Hands 10(11 days ago, 4 files, 31+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73c58b84b289 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-439-g0463c21: Reorder runed_hands in the mutation list 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0463c216bc6f 07:03:41 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-444-g8fdc226: Merge branch 'ds_trade_offs' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl into ds_trade_offs 10(6 days ago, files, + -) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fdc22675aa9 07:03:41 ... and 5 more commits 07:03:44 -!- tgcid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:20 kilobyte: maybe ddoor with powerful antimagic could be okay? something like 80% spell failure during ddoor? 07:09:29 also, what about getting polymorphed into ice form? 07:18:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 07:19:44 I checked Xom, looks like I indeed missed the wand. 07:20:14 A djinn transmuted into an ice form. Sounds like a bad day. 07:20:59 I'm thinking about 100% spell failure (as you can't pay mp), costly evoc failure, etc 07:31:49 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:31:51 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 07:32:15 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:12 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:41:29 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:02 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:37 Cryp71c: those merge commits look weird 08:07:56 kilobyte, yep, you're about to see a new set of commits that I had to force that fixes it. 08:08:09 The system that pushed those was out of date. 08:08:16 Well, that hopefully fixes it. 08:14:06 -!- Itholyth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:14:39 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-447-g5d196c6: Revert "Setup structure for alt effects of MUT_RUNED_HANDS" 10(6 days ago, 7 files, 1+ 65-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d196c6150d0 08:14:39 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-448-gd6810a5: Implement secondary effects for MUT_RUNED_HANDS 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 38+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6810a588ed6 08:17:32 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:25 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:26:23 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:09 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:33:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:34:47 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:53 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43:01 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:44:31 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:56:21 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:59:01 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:15 |amethyst / Napkin: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7812 (someone asking about webtiles server hardware requirements) 09:05:15 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:05:21 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 09:05:21 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:40 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:06 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:09:11 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 09:11:22 <|amethyst> heh, you're the third person to mention that post to me 09:11:22 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:11:49 oh hah, sorry :P 09:12:34 <|amethyst> oh, no problem 09:12:53 <|amethyst> fourth if you count me !telling myself so I wouldn't forget galehar's message 09:12:56 <|amethyst> !messages 09:12:57 (1/2) |amethyst said (5h 37m 41s ago): https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7812 someone wants to contribute a server 09:12:58 <|amethyst> !messages 09:12:58 (1/1) alefury said (4h 47m 57s ago): https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7812 09:13:26 !tell |amethyst https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7812 hey, I thought you should see this again 09:13:26 ophanim: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:14:48 heh 09:14:50 Do all the webservers share a single login database? 09:15:00 <|amethyst> not currently 09:15:00 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:19:44 Incidentally, do people absolutely want to shrink Crypt to 3 floors, even if it is made a fair bit more interesting than present? 09:20:05 I've only been to crypt once. It was too silent... 09:20:41 (I ask since I am presently working on some revamps to boring undead monsters in preparation for changing the monster spawn weight in the branch to include more fun stuff and fewer zombies) 09:21:14 IMO, the things that silence the entire floor are annoying. ;) 09:21:42 Silent spectres may have a large radius of effect, but it's not quite THAT large :P 09:21:59 -!- Sealer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:10 DracoOmega: I don't think crypt necessarily needs to be shrunk 09:23:39 like, if we are going to have five levels of swamp we may as well have five levels of crypt 09:23:59 I ask because probably trying to adjust the monster weights will take a fair bit of tweaking and mapstat work and such and I wouldn't want to balance for 5 floors if 2 are just going to get cut after again (and thus probably need readjustment) 09:25:01 it's best if a place's length is roughly proportional to the amount of content in it 09:25:52 -!- Zermako has quit [] 09:26:45 Well, I am working on improving that, at least :) 09:27:18 -!- geekosaur has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:30:40 03kilobyte 07[djinn] * 0.13-a0-545-g79a8009: Djinn: trim the tile's head to human standards. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79a8009e7e4e 09:30:54 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:04 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 09:33:47 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:57 I would say: do the monster revamp first, see if it meets with approval, and then consider adjusting the length if necessary. 09:36:24 Well, I was just checking if people felt strongly to reduce it to 3 no matter what, so that I could save myself some time 09:36:26 Incidentally, whenever I hear Crypt monsters being talked about, a couple of people have suggested turning ancient champions into an actual monster instead of a vault-defined one. 09:36:33 I just did that 09:36:36 Believe it or not :P 09:36:45 Like, a couple hours ago 09:37:03 Heh! 09:37:16 They generate with someone less impressive gear than the ones in the vault, though 09:37:19 somewhat* 09:37:31 ie: no triple swords and always-ego plate and such 09:37:32 <|amethyst> Response posted 09:37:42 Well, the vault can specify their gear still. 09:37:46 Yeah, it does 09:38:00 But I mean the random ones would be somewhat less stacked. (I was thinking of having them rarely lead a skeletal warrior band) 09:38:13 My perception was that they could consistently get heavy armour and two-handers, with a slim chance of something really good. 09:38:20 Sort of like, uh, orc warlords. 09:38:32 I think the idea was that they would lead skeletal warrior bands, yes. 09:38:42 (Not necessarily 100% of the time.) 09:38:46 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:39:07 Maybe set it up like yaktaur captains: 50% chance of the band. 09:39:40 -!- Flun has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:46 Hmmm... perhaps, yes. Right now it's at 100%, but they also don't actually spawn yet, so... :P 09:42:07 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46:24 -!- Sealero has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:48:13 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 09:51:19 -!- Flun has left ##crawl-dev 09:57:38 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:59:30 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:04 -!- Sealer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:21 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:11:39 at least the name seems to be best left for the vault 10:11:44 dead the Intangible (L26 MiFi) ASSERT(shop->type >= 0 && shop->type < NUM_SHOPS) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 592 failed on turn 109938. (D:26) 10:13:15 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:13:49 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:23 -!- Sealer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:41 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:46 i'd prefer crypt to stay at 5 floors since i'm planning this cool level generator for it, if it's cut to 3 floors then that's only 2 floors of generated layouts usually ... 10:18:14 (not remotely a valid argument i know ...) 10:18:26 Hey, I think it actually is 10:19:11 Hey. Since you guys edit Crawl heavily, can you find and removing the starting layout that is a huge spiral of shallow water? 10:20:07 Who the hell thought 100 turns of moving slow was a good idea for the beginning of the game? 10:20:18 Not as bad as 1000 turns chopping fungi.... 10:20:28 (Though that raised a similar question) 10:30:40 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:22 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:41 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:43:46 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:56:52 Crawl loads with blank screen. Need key press to select character. (Also my configs are broken.) by CKyle 10:57:13 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:00:04 -!- sstrickl has quit [Client Quit] 11:11:53 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 11:17:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 11:20:03 -!- omniguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:26:12 mumra: I'm with DracoOmega; that sounds like quite a valid argument 11:28:02 cool :) 11:28:54 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:02 although, i think gameplay is the most important thing and ultimately if the gameplay still isn't awesome with both new monsters + new layout then it needs cutting 11:29:08 there's no such thing as an invalid argument, there's not shouting loud enough :) 11:29:17 I do like Crypt, though, even current one 11:30:28 it feels more distinct from other branches than, for example, Vaults (even now) or Lair 11:30:45 it is also fairly nonthreatening for most chars 11:31:04 yeah, I'm talking about feeling rather than difficulty 11:31:56 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:08 also, I pity Blade having been nearly totally eliminated, it's just a guaranteed minivault these days. Dancing weapons, especially gathered together, require a different tactic than most other enemies. 11:32:35 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:38 wait, what? that actually happened? 11:32:52 sooo ... I notice that in the subvaultification of Zot:5, some permarock got replaced with stone, and in the subsequent de-subvaultification it got reverted back to permarock ... 11:33:07 alefury: note how many enemies you have in Blade these days 11:33:24 Probably a lot of people don't note as they still don't enter 11:33:31 a whole bunch, iirc 11:33:53 but yeah, i tend to stay out of there because dancing weapons are hard 11:34:05 sometimes i go in for fun, though 11:34:06 or, wait, that was regular rock 11:34:10 some of it 11:34:25 and hardest for casters, who don't care much about getting branded weapons anyhow 11:34:39 LexAckson: airstrike? 11:34:45 LexAckson: even magic dart 11:34:57 but when you fight large numbers 11:35:04 magic dart is not good enough 11:35:04 battlesphere kills them dead, too 11:35:07 and inaccessible anyway ... maybe it was for symmetry ... 11:35:09 still relatively tough dudes 11:35:18 unknown monster: "dancing greatsword" 11:35:18 %??dancing greatsword 11:35:24 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 13-19 | HD: 15 | HP: 16-54 | AC/EV: 17/18 | Dam: 36 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1146 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 11:35:24 %??dancing weapon 11:35:29 17 AC 11:35:31 @??dancing weapon ; great sword 11:35:32 dancing weapon (11() | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 50 | AC/EV: 25/17 | Dam: 32 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1292 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 11:35:42 25 AC, even 11:35:50 magic dart wont even scratch that thing 11:36:44 summons are the way to go for fighting blade as a caster 11:36:52 i kinda like ood 11:37:56 airstrike is highly effective against them usually 11:38:31 yeah, at high power 11:38:38 alefury: ah, this one thing has been rebalanced, magic dart used to be better than a good deal of conjurations against them 11:38:44 !lm . type=br.enter place=Blade s=cv 11:38:45 60 milestones for kilobyte (type=br.enter place=Blade): 18x 0.4, 7x 0.6-a, 6x 0.10-a, 6x 0.8-a, 5x 0.11-a, 5x 0.7, 4x 0.12-a, 4x 0.5, 3x 0.7-a, 0.11, 0.10 11:38:46 i think there should be weapon enchant scrolls as treasure in blade 11:39:35 Well, at least there are better weapons as treasure now 11:39:44 It's better to make the player decide to use enchant scrolls when they find them or save them for a weapon (out of blade, let's say) imo 11:41:47 my last char to reach blade went in right away and fought until seeing both rare weapons, as he still needed a good one. 11:41:53 do randart dancing weapons spawn in blade? 11:42:07 LexAckson: no 11:42:11 Randart dancing weapons don't exist at all 11:42:21 ahh 11:42:47 i had never seen one, but i thought that might have just been my luck 11:43:11 what about adding a few randart dancing weapons to blade 11:43:27 that might intice more players to enter 11:44:17 !lm * recent br.enter=crypt 11:44:19 4097. [2013-04-30 15:37:28] MongoFromTheCongo the Ninja (L22 VpEn) entered the Crypt on turn 78188. (Vaults:2) 11:44:20 !lm * recent br.enter=blade 11:44:21 2339. [2013-04-30 16:37:05] tigertrap the Imperceptible (L23 KoEn) entered the Hall of Blades on turn 65255. (Vaults:4) 11:44:27 <|amethyst> dancing weapon ; unrand greatsword 11:44:30 Bad item name: 'unrand greatsword' 11:44:30 <|amethyst> %?? dancing weapon ; unrand greatsword 11:44:34 Bad item name: 'greatsword' 11:44:34 <|amethyst> %?? dancing weapon ; randart greatsword 11:44:41 apparently a lot of players already enter blade 11:44:43 dancing weapon (13() | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 50 | AC/EV: 25/17 | Dam: 32 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1292 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 11:44:43 <|amethyst> %?? dancing weapon ; randart great sword 11:44:48 dancing weapon (13() | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 50 | AC/EV: 25/17 | Dam: 32 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1292 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 11:44:48 <|amethyst> %?? dancing weapon ; randart great sword 11:45:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:45:08 <|amethyst> !lm * recent br.enter s=-noun 11:45:08 i think blade is probably fine, just a lot of good players avoid it because its an unnecessary risk 11:45:11 258784 milestones for * (recent br.enter): 1031x Coc, 1045x Geh, 1068x Tar, 1141x Dis, 1540x Tomb, 1980x WizLab, 2188x Hell, 2232x Trove, 2339x Blade, 3173x Slime, 4038x Shoals, 4097x Crypt, 4147x Zot, 4513x Spider, 4646x Swamp, 4754x Snake, 5024x Volcano, 5222x Bazaar, 6544x Elf, 7786x Pan, 8302x Vaults, 8547x IceCv, 9910x Bailey, 9952x Lab, 12768x Ossuary, 20976x Orc, 23332x Sewer, 28894x Lair, ... 11:45:26 well okay 11:45:29 alefury: Well, some of it is probably also that Blade used to be worse and people are used to it being worse and thus used to not bothering 11:45:59 <|amethyst> solution: replace the silver rune with the portal to blade, put the rune in blade 11:46:05 lame 11:46:14 does the code even support randarts dancing weapons? 11:46:15 -!- |amethyst is now known as lamethyst 11:46:18 -!- Yen_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:18 V:5 is way too good a level to ruin it like that 11:46:18 lol 11:46:20 -!- lamethyst is now known as |amethyst 11:46:25 LexAckson: I expect it does 11:46:35 Given that dancing weapons are just wielding themselves, internally 11:46:49 cool 11:47:20 <|amethyst> Here: an autumn katana {slice, Clar} (resting) 11:47:31 (This also means their listed damage is higher in-game than listed here) 11:47:33 what about reorganizing the weapons into bands 11:47:34 Since you have to add the weapon 11:47:45 haha 11:47:45 LexAckson: They're already plenty dangerous in the groups that exist! 11:48:04 They are probably one of the worst swarming monsters in the game, really 11:48:13 well, i'm thinking about that for like pan vault or something 11:48:20 <|amethyst> The great serpentine sword burns you! 11:48:20 <|amethyst> _Die? 11:48:24 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 48-89 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 683 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:48:24 %??orc knight 11:48:25 Haha 11:48:31 orc knight (10o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 46-88 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 686 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:48:31 %??orc knight ; great sword 11:48:31 |amethyst: Best dancing weapon 11:48:45 oh wow, cheibot really doesnt add the weapon damage 11:49:22 how is that even possible? arent fixedarts pre-ided now? 11:49:33 <|amethyst> alefury: not the sword of cerebov 11:49:52 why? 11:49:59 tradition 11:50:10 <|amethyst> So you don't get "Cerebov hits you with the sword of Cerebov." 11:50:28 ah 11:50:31 good reason 11:50:53 -!- Sealer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:55 it identifies itself the moment a monster drops it 11:51:22 which outside of wizmode means when Cerebov dies 11:51:32 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:36 <|amethyst> oddly 11:51:38 tendrils! 11:51:57 <|amethyst> oh 11:51:59 <|amethyst> right 11:52:04 <|amethyst> I got the name earlier because it killed me 11:53:16 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:23 uhm, quite a few uniques have their weapons hard-drawn on their tiles 11:53:35 or refer to them in their speech 11:54:13 The tile not showing them being disarmed when they are sounds fairly minor to me 11:54:16 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:34 (Then referring to their weapon when it has been grabbed probably also makes sense depending on the line) 11:54:46 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 11:55:12 <|amethyst> Xom weapon swap was already possible before Tendrils, no? 11:55:16 DracoOmega: er, just because some bug existed in the past doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed 11:55:19 <|amethyst> or did that not affect uniques? 11:55:23 |amethyst: specifically blocked IIRC 11:55:26 <|amethyst> ah 11:55:51 kilobyte: I am not saying that no one should ever redraw the tiles to have weapon attachments, but that is a non-trivial amount of work 11:55:59 a monster will refuse swapping away from a signature weapon 11:56:03 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:04 And I would not say a pressing concern 11:56:13 I hear someone is talking about Xom 11:56:26 Not really 11:56:37 Not really Xom? v_v 11:56:45 Not really, no 11:56:51 Very sad happening. 11:57:06 On a side note, Xom needs some love. 11:57:41 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:40 also, ogres/giants will never re-wield their clubs as they have no way to lose them normally 11:59:03 They do too! 11:59:06 Dancing weaponry. 12:03:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 12:04:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:27 Hmh, twice now I have marked a wrong report as a duplicate. Because if you double click bug number and copy it you'll get a space in front. And duplicate field has a character limit, so it silently eats the last char of the paste... 12:07:26 i just noticed something totally odd. Snake randomly picks from one of two (?) tile sets when you enter a floor. If you leave and come back to the sae floor the tileset is sometimes different. 12:08:45 i thought my eyes were going strange from staring at the screen too long but i just confirmed it by going up/down the stairs a few times :) 12:09:13 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:09:15 Nagas like redecorating 12:09:22 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6811 12:09:26 same issue maybe? 12:10:12 slightly different issue but connected yes 12:10:20 impressive how you can have 95% idle with 40 games going 12:10:33 |amethyst 12:11:14 -!- Emolga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:11:16 <|amethyst> yeah, I've never had really high CPU usage from crawl 12:11:19 apache alone would already put 2-3 whole thread (8 hyperthreads, 4 cores on CDO) to 80% wait 12:11:41 <|amethyst> you get a lot more apache hits 12:11:55 <|amethyst> though that sounds more like an IO thing 12:12:19 are you saying that apache somehow manages to use CPU on waiting? 12:12:19 then crawl processes would use between 1-25% of one hyperthread 12:12:34 each 12:13:04 mumra: Pan does the same 12:13:17 <|amethyst> webtiles takes about 5-10% of a hyperthread here, and crawl processes can get up to 30 or 50 percent each, but usually sit around 2% 12:13:21 a bit harder to go back to the same level, though 12:13:40 especially ttyrec and morgue browsing processes use 15-50% of one hyperthread 12:13:59 hey, make the chroot use x32 for a ~7% speed boost! 12:14:01 (jk) 12:14:09 kilobyte ;) 12:14:21 LTO builds are a good idea, though 12:14:34 <|amethyst> Napkin: I don't deal with as much browsing, and my directories aren't as big 12:14:39 <|amethyst> Napkin: what filesystem do you use? 12:14:52 system is ~2 years old 12:15:05 ext4 12:15:08 Apache is a resource hog. 12:15:09 <|amethyst> same here 12:15:12 (x32 is _not_ i386, just in case someone didn't hear) 12:15:42 uhm... why would webtiles care about apache? 12:15:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:16:01 it's about general load, kilobyte 12:16:12 -!- Boyo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:16:36 everything comes together 12:16:51 but i am surprised about what |amethyst said 12:17:40 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12-b1-153-g1fa10a8 12:17:43 looking at the webtile crawl processes, i'd rather say they usually had 7-10% each, not "usually around 2%" 12:17:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:12 definitely, apache is a resource hog 12:18:16 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:19:52 cdo's crawl website has around 3 mil hits a month (not counting bots, which is twice as much) 12:19:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:20:05 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 12:20:16 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 12:20:42 Wow 12:21:03 So is that hit rate (three million a month) spread flat, or does it spike 12:21:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:43 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22:58 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-14-g2e91b11 12:23:40 * geekosaur would be using strace at this point to see why they're busier than expected... 12:24:36 3.7 in november, 3.4 in march 12:24:48 2.7 in january 12:25:21 and every month growing 12:25:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:25:37 4.0 this april 12:26:13 for some reason bandwidth was 390gb in march.. usually it was ~150 12:28:02 WebTiles doesn't work in Opera by Medar 12:28:25 don't even have time to investigate that *sigh* 12:33:15 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:14 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:49 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-531-gaef62c5 (34) 12:41:11 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:49 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:14 Some ctrl shortcuts are handled both by the game and by the browser on IE 10 WebTiles by Medar 12:44:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:44:41 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA 12:46:33 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:09 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:48:18 Noticable slow down after playing in WebTiles for a while, fixed by saving and loading by Medar 12:48:49 .oO { get a real browser } 12:50:24 It implies a memory leak either in IE10 or in WebTiles 12:52:10 Well, like I said, fairly certain it's not the browser 12:52:50 i cant start crawl (local tiles windows) 12:52:59 i try to start it, nothing happens 12:53:04 no process, no crash report 12:53:16 most recent version 12:53:55 thing is, I never saw such a slowdown in webtiles in chrome 12:58:52 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59:44 did anyone do something that would make crawl immediately silently quit? 12:59:52 it compiled fine 13:00:47 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:00:53 I've been working on a branch that's slightly behind, but I'll compile and check on my system 13:06:57 It loads and runs just fine 13:06:59 For me 13:08:47 alefury: And this is up to date with the most recent trunk commits? 13:08:58 Just to make sure we have the exact same version 13:13:42 03st_ 07* 0.13-a0-532-gefb7aca: pitsprint maintenance 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 38+ 40-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=efb7aca048c8 13:13:42 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-533-gff591d1: Add doors to Cerebov's castle 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff591d17b92b 13:13:42 03st_ 07* 0.13-a0-534-g72ca79f: Purge many vault redefined monsters. 10(15 hours ago, 13 files, 42+ 1525-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72ca79fa803b 13:13:45 Item graphic missing from a square, but autopickup graphic is shown by Medar 13:13:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:14:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:32 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:17:57 -!- IntrnetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:30 i had aef62c5, which was the most recent until a few minutes ago 13:20:52 Yes, that is what I have 13:20:55 And it seems to run fine 13:20:58 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:59 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:59 -!- smeea has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:59 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:59 -!- Froggeryz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:59 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:20:59 i did make clean, then make TILES=y 13:21:03 I am afraid I have no idea what your issue might be =/ 13:21:09 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 13:21:13 Hmmm... I didn't make clean 13:21:15 I suppose I could 13:21:30 my issue is that im stupid 13:21:34 nevermind... 13:21:39 What? 13:21:55 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:01 i dont like to play in the git folder 13:22:33 so i copy dat/ and crawl.exe to another folder after compiling, and previously delete the old dat folder 13:22:37 i forgot to copy dat 13:22:40 Oh, haha 13:22:48 That seems like a good reason for it not to run properly 13:23:13 <|amethyst> I'd have expected an error message or assert though 13:23:31 <|amethyst> I guess part of it is that Win32 tiles can't write to stdout 13:23:43 it just doesnt start 13:23:44 <|amethyst> s/out/err/ 13:23:47 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:24:08 <|amethyst> alefury: I'm thinking it tried to print an error message to stderr, but because it's tiles that didn't show up 13:24:19 <|amethyst> early errors like that should probably give a dialog on Windows 13:24:26 <|amethyst> IIRC some of them were changed to do so? 13:24:37 -!- Hosg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:24:38 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:24:39 <|amethyst> or maybe it's just that people were talking about that 13:25:10 asserts give a dialog 13:25:23 <|amethyst> maybe that's what I was thinking of 13:25:37 i dont think they used to do that, so maybe it is 13:25:53 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25:58 <|amethyst> I think my Windows machine still have 0.9.0 as the latest crawl version, and I never run it 13:26:02 <|amethyst> s/have/has/ 13:26:25 <|amethyst> but we've got more Windows-using devs now than we used to 13:27:16 i always run from command line so i can see stderr 13:27:34 would be handy if they showed a dialog definitely 13:28:52 ophanim (L17 TrBe) (Abyss:1) 13:28:54 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-449-g9685597: Modified text for MUT_RUNED_HANDS 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=968559718ac5 13:29:08 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:20 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:41:14 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:39 WTF, st_'s hamfisted patch went in? 13:45:05 a small portion of it was warranted, but the rest is more vandalism than maintenance 13:45:17 Cryp71c: You have a typo on line 726. Runed should be runes. 13:45:52 Oh, that commit is old. 13:46:01 then what if I committed "delete the dat/des/ directory"? 13:46:32 C++ layouts could be enough 13:47:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:48:37 hamfisted patch? 13:49:07 the one that deletes all the vaults 13:49:13 deleting 90% of vaults that include at least one name: monster 13:49:37 I deleting very few vaults 13:49:37 st_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:49:41 deleted 13:50:00 Ah. 13:50:05 I removed the vaults that have no purpose other than renaming something 13:50:18 the vaults that actually have some substance, I altered 13:50:57 MarvinPA edited the patch anyway 13:51:13 aw, the entry with extinct player species was axed 13:51:26 all the good stuff was axed :( 13:51:49 Zannick: yeah 13:51:49 wow, all of rogue's gallery 13:52:48 axing stuff based on "implemented in C++" vs "implemented in lua", without axing lua support (which would actually have a reason, ie, reduced maintenance) 13:53:09 axing stuff to fix bugs: yes. Axing it because of some technicality rather than a gameplay reason... no. 13:53:09 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:53:45 a "strawberry plant" that blocks way and serves no purpose should go, I agree 13:53:46 it's not like the patch removes all vault monsters 13:53:49 it's more based on "is a poorly designed vault" vs "is not a poorly designed vault" i'm pretty sure 13:54:01 I removed things based on gameplay reasons 13:54:34 and design reasons 13:56:00 dpeg and hangedman even already covered pretty much everything on the mantis issue 13:56:20 like, say, skeletal archers? Or, walking past statues that you can't reach except at range 1? 13:57:07 both aren't good vaults 13:57:20 sorry 13:57:52 then what would you call a good vault? A room that somehow opens only if after you visit six other identical rooms? 13:58:56 vaults_vault 13:59:11 oh, you axed the gnome without removing its enum, too. That goes against the whole point of your patch! It was a C++-side monster :p 13:59:31 yes, that is the point of my patch 13:59:40 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:53 surely that is evidence for the patch /not/ being based on technicalities of the monster definition... 14:00:14 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:30 that would make far too much sense, don't be silly 14:00:51 or all the tiles 14:02:20 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:14:15 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:14:31 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-450-gca5647b: Fix typo, thanks CKyle 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca5647b4bd3d 14:16:05 -!- yalue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:17 bats :( 14:19:24 Are you mourning their passing or expressing disapproval of their presence? 14:22:52 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:37 i liked the bat vault 14:24:40 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-535-gb875c95: Move some vault monster tiles to UNUSED 10(8 minutes ago, 19 files, 0+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b875c9553e54 14:25:15 alefury: I didn't. 14:25:16 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:25:33 I liked the bat vault, too, to be honest 14:25:38 It felt like a harmless little bit of fun 14:25:48 fun is bad, apparently :( 14:26:08 It didn't have any experience in it. 14:26:09 (Possibly because I remember the original train of discussion that spawned it, more or less) 14:40:48 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:44:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:00 Elyvilon's auto-id unholy weapons aren't work by TannedBear 14:50:21 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:51:33 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:51:43 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:46 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:54:48 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:43 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:35 -!- elliott_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:50 -!- Zauren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:55 -!- elliott has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 14:57:06 -!- elliott_ is now known as 18WADELPL 14:57:06 -!- elliott_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:07 -!- elliott_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:13 -!- 18WADELPL is now known as elliott 14:57:19 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:57:22 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 14:57:53 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:58:00 -!- Sealero is now known as Sealer 14:58:48 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:59:38 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:03 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:27 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:01:17 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:07:11 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07:55 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:37 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:25 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:14:20 |amethyst: oh, it can write to stderr all it wants! it's just that, for graphical programs, Windows murders any console handles for stdout/stderr rather than letting the app inherit them ... 15:14:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:18:46 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:22:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:24:56 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:30 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-536-gba8700e: Use dbname for Zin vault angels 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 13+ 13-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba8700ebdf8f 15:26:55 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:30:12 -!- Sealer has quit [] 15:32:46 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:32 -!- Elynae_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:51:27 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:24 SamB: that's wrong i think 15:52:32 SamB: it certainly writes to console correctly for me 15:52:49 SamB: the problem is, in Windows, this relies on there actually existing a console window that you opened the program from ... 15:53:14 whereas most windows users click the icon (also generall true on mac...) 15:54:16 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:46 -!- Yen_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:58:11 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 15:58:44 oh, it looks like we have evil code that actually overcompensates for windows murderizing the handles ... 15:59:35 (which is to say, it would appear to clobber stdout and stderr even if those are redirected) 15:59:56 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:01:26 i don't understand? stderr works for me ... 16:01:40 what happens if you redirect it to a file, say? 16:02:03 well i haven't tried that, but it sounded like you were saying the simple case doesn't work; but it does 16:02:45 it doesn't normally work, but it looks like we have code to make new handles 16:02:56 ahhh i see 16:03:11 and such 16:03:19 the thing is, 99.9% of windows users would never try to use a redirect anyway 16:03:39 normally i'd expect a dialog box to let me know of an error or whatever 16:03:58 most windows users will never normally launch the game from console even 16:04:06 I've learned to use "|cat" for programs that expect to be able to write to stdout (because they aren't Windows-native) 16:04:59 yep, but you are in the minority. most programs flash up a dialog box (preferably it uses a text area so you can copy and paste the output somewhere useful) 16:05:42 <|amethyst> alt-105 16:05:43 <|amethyst> doh 16:05:46 at least, most programs with a gui anyway 16:07:11 anyway, I still think we should be checking if stdout and stderr are already wired up before doing freopen("CONIO$" on them 16:07:16 er. 16:07:20 "CONOUT$" 16:10:35 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:52 * SamB realizes that if he's going to mess with this, he probably ought to do it on his Windows system ... 16:15:20 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:32 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19:51 -!- Cethron has quit [] 16:19:57 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:24 kilobyte: elliott just mentioned the no_nausea branch, i hadn't seen that before ... is there any reason it isn't merged that yet? 16:22:31 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22:32 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:22:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:24:12 mumra: there's no agreement about it 16:24:21 at least at that time 16:24:38 I'm afraid I kind of don't remember really 16:25:06 I actually don't recall much DISagreement 16:25:19 I was never quite sure why it didn't get merged 16:25:20 i basically just realised that nausea can be the most annoying thing ever :P i think it hasn't affected me this much before because i've had gourmand until my food costs were lower or something like that 16:25:21 I don't remember anyone really disagreeing about removing nausea 16:25:31 i thought it was just that it was before we'd branched 0.12 16:25:50 Well, it was at least a couple weeks before freeze, I think 16:25:51 not everyone agreed with my suggestion of further removing the plain/contam distinction, maybe? 16:26:07 yeah there seemsed to be universal support 16:26:09 but that can be done after nausea is removed :P 16:26:11 Doesn't seem a reason to hold up removing nausea on its own 16:26:39 And think the only counterpoint anyone brought up is that it was a healer speedrun buff, but that seems kind of marginal 16:27:13 pretty sure that was not intended as a serious reason against removing it 16:27:26 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:31 (though arguably ely should be nerfed sometime regardless) 16:28:02 Yes, I didn't mean it was an outright opposition, it's just that this is the only thing I can remember at all that wasn't in general support of it 16:28:56 I'm not at home right now, I you want no nausea right now, the "cherry-pick" button is over here :) 16:29:15 s/ I / if / 16:29:16 I don't see the arrow 16:29:32 you seem to have omitted it from your message 16:29:49 -!- MaxFrost has quit [] 16:31:12 -!- rkd has quit [Client Quit] 16:33:22 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:08 well it applies clean, i think that is a sign 16:34:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:31 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-537-gf280897: Cure all nausea, permanently. 10(6 weeks ago, 17 files, 24+ 147-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2808973ab0a 16:37:19 !time 16:37:20 Time: Apr 30, 2013, 09:37:20 PM, UTC. 16:37:28