00:00:35 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-115-ga726be5 00:01:03 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-400-g9358656 (34) 00:01:24 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-400-g9358656 (34) 00:04:37 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:06:44 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:08:21 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-400-g9358656 00:10:16 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:10:46 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 00:12:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:15:21 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:17:33 -!- Superc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:16 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:19 !seen eronarn 00:18:19 I last saw Eronarn at Tue Apr 16 02:18:02 2013 UTC (3d 3h 17s ago) saying 'bh: i am seriously considering working from home to avoid it' on ##crawl-dev. 00:18:23 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:23 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:54 that was about hassle in boston ... 00:18:59 -!- VolteccerJack_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:19:02 yeah. 00:19:13 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:19:31 There is/was a shootout/bombing/grenade attack in his town (or at least near where he was living last I checked) 00:19:38 -!- wanpisu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:31:15 -!- Wester has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 00:31:39 -!- AirwaveRaid has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:39:07 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:16 -!- bh has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:39:17 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 00:41:18 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:41:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:43 -!- wanpisu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:42:58 -!- dcssrubot868 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:57:13 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:02:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05:49 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:16 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:07:27 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:09:18 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:36 -!- AirwaveRaid has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:14:14 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:12 !tell DracoOmega did you do the new conjurations? 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'2000 to 3000' skill boosts. 05:46:19 For as rare as they are, I don't see the point of that limit. 05:46:24 Havvy: well yeah ... are you suggesting that infinite uses wouldn't be a problem? 05:46:44 Yes. 05:47:15 another way to achieve the same result would be to multiply all xp in the game by a given amount 05:47:16 A skill can only go to 27 after all. 05:47:52 -!- dcssrubot426 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48:18 -!- ryansee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:48:22 No. Manuals are limited by rarity and the one-skill per book limit. 05:49:25 ??manual 05:49:25 manual[1/2]: Manuals let you train a skill more efficiently. Read a manual to activate it. While you carry it you gain twice as many skill points as normal until the manual is used up. Dropping the manual or reading it again deactivates it. The amount of skill points you gain is fixed; you cannot waste a manual's benefits. 05:49:40 if you remove the limit then you are halving the number of skill points you need to spend to get to 27 05:50:00 that's not a trivial amount 05:50:29 What if the benefit changes to a +1 (or +2...) to the skill aptitude? 05:50:46 why does anything need to change? 05:51:24 Because the limit feels cheap for how rare the manuals are. 05:51:39 manuals are very very good right now 05:51:50 free skill points are not to be sniffed at 05:51:53 i think you dont understand crawls skillpointcost system 05:52:33 jeanjacques: 1700gp good? 05:52:39 yes easily that good 05:52:43 "free skill points" 05:52:54 skill points that you would otherwise have to kill things to earn 05:52:54 sure if its a important skill 05:53:26 Havvy: the current system also comes with a nice drawback that makes manuals not a no-brainer. if it was just a +1 or +2 while active then this would be a no-brainer. 05:53:46 as it stands you don't want to use a manual in a skill that you don't want to train; because this will make other skills cost more ultimately 05:55:15 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:56:01 Hmm... 05:56:14 I shall think about it more. 05:56:22 Also, nice new room layouts. 05:57:02 thanks 05:57:05 lots more to come :) 06:02:34 -!- s951 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:44 !tell bh no worries, I'm in Somerville - can't get into work today but otherwise fine 06:03:45 Eronarn: OK, I'll let bh know. 06:08:08 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:12 Havvy: note - prior to victory dancing removal, manuals didn't even give any bonus skill points - they just made it easy to dump xp into the skill you wanted. so granting 2x skill points instead was a huge buff and obviously they had to be strictly limited. 06:13:52 Oh. 06:13:53 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:14:10 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:16:20 mumra: manuals don't crontibute to the raising of skill cost 06:16:49 skill cost depends only on you.total_experience 06:16:51 oh, i didn't realise. i thought any skill raise contributed 06:17:23 it has been changed at some point to remove some weirdness with manuals and crosstraining 06:17:33 of course, that makes sense 06:17:36 so it's really *free* skill points 06:17:56 but there's still a choice involved, because you have to invest XP in a skill to benefit from it 06:18:11 if it's a skill you don't use, obviously it's not worth it 06:21:38 good point. 06:26:00 My experience with manuals is that finding one early/mid game is awesome, but late game it doesn't really matter. 06:26:05 Haven't looked up how much those 2000-3000 points are worth though. 06:28:30 In other news, looking into why WebTiles is so slow. There seems to be a massive delay after first message if sending multiple small ones in a row. And that happens every turn. 06:29:17 For cszo from Finland it processes first message after move about 130ms after sending a key. That's the ping time. 06:29:41 But then the next message that's an answer to the same key is about 300ms after that. 06:34:42 -!- antlions has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:35:26 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:40:02 -!- mamga has quit [Client Quit] 06:41:12 there's no problem with an item being better in the early game than the late game of course; and scaling the skill points up later on would cause all kinds of problems i think 06:42:38 interesting about webtiles ... if you can get to the bottom of it a lot of europeans will be very happy ;) 06:43:08 it definitely seemed to me there was a big lag caused by something not just to do with geography 06:43:36 Yeah, I don't think manuals are that broken. But it is very rare to have game where manual is really useful. Or maybe my memory is selective :) 06:43:53 Most importantly, I'll be happy :P 06:44:29 edlothiol: ping 06:44:39 Won't be only europeans though, it seems the the delay is always there, but the amount might depend on ping. Even on localhost it's like 20 ms. 06:45:00 hmm, that doesn't sound right 06:45:09 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:52:17 -!- Nicksvaffel is now known as Isvaffel 06:53:35 Ok, it appears that there is an ACK between there 06:54:38 could it improve things if small messages were squashed into a bigger packet? 06:55:05 Yeah, it certainly does 06:55:39 I tried that locally, and seems to work pretty well 06:56:09 Might still be a problem when moving quickly though, not sure 06:57:02 I wonder if this ACK business is mandated by the WebSocket protocol, or if it can be worked around somehow 06:58:12 -!- Sealer has quit [] 06:59:15 edlothiol would possibly know about this 07:01:51 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:10:07 -!- dcssrubot849 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:13:54 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:15:08 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:15:57 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 07:22:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:22:37 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:20 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:35:07 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:21 Morning 07:35:21 Cryp71c: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:35:22 !messages 07:35:22 (1/2) elliptic said (15h 12m 30s ago): I see I missed some discussion of mutations earlier... about a hand facet giving some spell power boost, it could work with tweaking (+60% to all spells is a lot more powerful than you give it credit... that's stronger than robe of the archmagi, which is a coveted item) 07:35:34 !messages 07:35:35 (1/1) elliptic said (15h 11m 19s ago): one incidental thing: if we come up with other hand facets, I'd sort of like to remove claws as an option altogether. It's completely useless unless you are using unarmed and we have three other clawed races already 07:36:11 elliptic, no idea if you're still here..but I could agree to removing claws, given that other mutations which fit the bill could be developed. 07:38:08 !tell elliptic I feared that a +% spell power is a bit flavorless and was considering some other effect (either on punch or if you were wielding a weapon, as if the effect was being channeled from your hands into the weapon) whether that's extra damage, or "sealing" a spell of a target monster (at random), I'm not sure. 07:38:09 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 07:38:19 elliptic, I feared that a +% spell power is a bit flavorless and was considering some other effect (either on punch or if you were wielding a weapon, as if the effect was being channeled from your hands into the weapon) whether that's extra damage, or "sealing" a spell of a target monster (at random), I'm not sure. 07:38:59 !tell elliptic Sorry for the pings, when you get a chance, check the scrollback from when I first joined the channel on 19/4/2013 07:38:59 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 07:46:54 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:47:03 Cryp71c: did you see cjo's patch and the discussion 07:47:16 mumra, no I wasn't aware additional discussion had occurred. 07:47:20 Lemme look at the logs. 07:47:24 -!- floatboth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:13 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:23 i think elliptic's conclusion summed it up well, that a gspirit mut needs to do something different to the amulet somehow, but exactly how i have no idea 07:52:15 alright, I'm caught up. I think draining HP before MP is probably a given, or else mana shield is going to be "well, time to quit casting" every single time (if mp drains before hp, you'll get maybe a few spells, but by that point you'll have taken a few hits from whatever is attacking you, and you'll be at near-0 mana) 07:52:22 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:52:37 That brings up some minor issues, like what to do if your tormented with 1 hp and 50 MP 07:56:19 In general, the mutations which have (weak mut, stronger mut, strongest mut) are much more boring than (some mut, different mut, powerful mut). I might contend that a mana facet could be "mana regen, mana shield, stronger mana shield" or "mana regen, mana shield, drain-mp immunity" (or flip the last two) 07:57:12 that sounds interesting 08:01:07 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:38 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:40 Added all that to mantis, plus a few other ideas. 08:08:52 -!- Gilly has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:50 * geekosaur belatedly reads above and wonders: lesser ddoor? 08:10:44 geekosaur, sorry I've been gone a while, ddoor? 08:11:15 he stuff about what to do if 1HP/50MP reminds me of the Death's Door spell 08:11:32 although this would be a very limited version of it... 08:11:57 Well, kilobyte (on the mantis ticket) made a great point in draining both MP and HP simultaneously 08:13:19 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 08:14:11 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:17:44 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:17:52 -!- morik__ is now known as morik 08:18:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:18:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:21:43 -!- lexodia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:22:08 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:11 does anyone else have any thoughts/opinions on the idea of music and/or sound effects in the game? (e.g. as a separate download) 08:30:27 corvette wrote a background track for Temple already: https://soundcloud.com/corvett/stillness 08:31:52 and is this the first music actually composed for crawl? :P 08:32:05 mumra: Will it be in WebTiles? 08:32:11 Or even WebConsole 08:32:20 Havvy: it's certainly possible in webtiles 08:32:26 bandwidth allowing 08:33:15 although the implementation would be largely separate 08:33:39 and there are certain issues with different browsers not all supporting the same audio formats 08:34:22 If you don't mind using a .fla, you can use .wav on all browsers. 08:35:02 unfortunately .wav isn't very bandwidth-friendly 08:35:03 -!- lexodia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:35:13 Obviously we need a Sigmund rap 08:35:20 .ogg is the only realistic option when you consider licensing issues 08:35:34 (like, mp3 is actually massively restrictive) 08:35:43 unfortauntely IE/Safari don't appear to like ogg 08:36:59 There is an ogg decoder for flash though 08:37:09 Not sure how well it works in practice, but it exists 08:37:19 there's another problem with using an .fla; that you need a commercial tool to compile the webserver. a commercial tool that isn't even available on unix. 08:38:22 http://people.xiph.org/~arek/pg/hx/test.html (Caution: loud) 08:38:30 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 08:39:41 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:40:13 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:40:48 -!- dcssrubot174 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:20 03Cryp71c 07[ds_trade_offs] * 0.13-a0-401-gafe756f: New DS mutation: Runed Hands 10(7 minutes ago, 4 files, 31+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=afe756faf158 08:43:23 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:43:30 -!- Elynae_ is now known as Elynae 08:43:33 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:45:14 anyway i think if/once we get that far, i'd need to chat to edlothiol and the server maintainers about how it might actually work. just getting it prototyped on the desktop version is a pretty good project to start with. 08:45:27 Medar: I don't think the ACKs can be avoided, the websocket protocol just builds on TCP and doesn't specify more... combining messages may help though (or it might just increase the lag even more) 08:45:27 edlothiol: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:46:29 edlothiol: Based on quick tests combining does help a _lot_. I'll do more testing later. 08:46:41 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:42 Do you mean based on HTTP? 08:47:13 Or is plain TCP that bad already. How does SSH manage? 08:48:14 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:41 disable nagle algorithm 08:48:45 well, it uses HTTP when initializing the connection obviously, but after that it's just plain tcp 08:48:54 among other things 08:49:04 Oh, ok. 08:49:09 but, ssh doesn't cope as well as you might think; see: mosh 08:50:10 Well yeah, really what you want is UDP. 08:51:38 that's not an option in browser of course, but even if it were we'd have to deal with dropped and unordered packets 08:52:07 We would get to deal with them :) 08:52:16 In more efficient manner 08:52:58 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53:23 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53:42 and btw, when I said "plain tcp" I of course meant "plain tcp with some framing and masking, but nothing that should seriously impact lag" ;) 08:53:54 Right. 08:54:11 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:54:19 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 08:55:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:55:11 Anyway, I'll look more into it tomorrow. 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(all one action) 11:54:52 You draw a card... It is Flight. You fly up into the air. You feel quick. A shaft materialises beneath you! 11:54:53 Nemelex Xobeh grants you a gift! 11:54:55 Something appears before you! A shaft opens up in the floor! 11:54:56 _A plain deck of cards {god gift} falls through the shaft. 11:55:01 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 11:55:06 imo feature 11:55:07 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 11:55:09 Yes. 11:55:17 Xom thinks it is hilarious. 11:55:17 nemelex is not Xom 11:55:19 i like that, its funny. 11:55:35 gifts should just go directly to inventory if they wont cause burden IMO 11:55:38 sure hes a gambler though, win some lose some 11:55:53 you can just go to the next level and autoexplore if you want it 11:56:03 yea its not like its lost forever 11:56:09 i dont want it badly enough to explore zot 3 11:56:19 also theres a lot of water down there so it might be lost 11:56:43 it's just one deck 12:00:40 what's .fla? 12:01:47 isn't that Flash or something 12:02:53 Yes. 12:02:55 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:10 (In general, you should disregard my opinion.) 12:04:15 ... vera has a strange expansion for SWF ... 12:04:59 -!- dcssrubot397 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:05:32 i think .fla is the file you open in flash and it renders to .swf or something 12:05:40 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-13-g9771293 12:05:45 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 12:08:01 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 12:09:39 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-400-g9358656 (34) 12:10:55 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:03 oh, any idea why _CURSES_equip() conditionalizes it's message on unmeld? Most of the other _equip() / _unequip() functions don't ... 12:15:01 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18:24 hmm 12:18:27 %git 7aa3305f41d2f073710d9a732bd29572b704bc49 12:18:28 03Matthew_Cline * 0.6.0-a0-121-g7aa3305: * Moved most hard-coded non-standard unrandart behaviour to art-func.h, specifically code for equipping, unequpping, an equipped unrandart doing something every time world_reacts() is called (special wield effects), melee hit effects, and evoking. Left hardcoded outside of art-func.h: 10(3 years, 10 months ago, 28 files, 1281+ 774-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7aa3305f41d2 12:18:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:24 |amethyst: that's an awkward place to put a "..", isn't it? 12:20:36 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23:37 -!- Linksi_ has quit [Quit: Ko ne sa li muuu muutto] 12:24:51 -!- NotKintak is now known as Kintak 12:25:48 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:25:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:28:19 oh, hmm, the _unequip functions don't even get a "meld" argument ... 12:28:23 -!- Kellhus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:28:48 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:09 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 12:33:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:34:37 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:40 I'm guessing there would be a lot of message spam on unequip if that conditional *wasn't* there 12:37:20 which conditional? 12:37:43 the one you mentioned 12:38:16 s/unequip/unmeld 12:40:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:40:36 * SamB is saddened that |= doesn't seem to be allowed on enums, so he can't change _agrid's type to reflect it's actual use ... 12:43:00 wait, I think I mispasted 12:43:39 -!- rkd has quit [] 12:43:53 I meant to paste _DEVASTATOR_equip() 12:46:56 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:05 ok so the opposite; presumably someone wanted the "shiver runs down your spine" message on unmeld, but not the shillelagh law one 12:47:32 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:00 or maybe they just missed the other one 12:48:38 IMO the shillelagh law message should be printed every turn you have devastator wielded 12:48:38 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:41 it is so good 12:51:10 maybe if it used _unequip_mpr it wouldn't print anything on unmeld anyway ... 12:51:40 but unmeld doesn't get passed into that 12:52:13 yes, but maybe show_msgs points to false then 12:52:54 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 13:00:43 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-401-ga98a9c3: Improve the Serpent of Hell's defenses 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a98a9c3cad5a 13:01:32 okay, it doesn't look like it ... 13:01:37 _You fall off the wall. It begins to drip with poison! 13:01:44 that sounds a bit funny 13:02:04 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:03 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:07 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:11:56 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 13:14:30 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:22 how come we print a message saying something melds into your body, but don't print one saying it unmelds? 13:16:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:03 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:23:18 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:35 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:36:01 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:23 -!- Ark is now known as Guest96705 13:39:59 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:25 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:42:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:45:38 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 13:45:53 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:18 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:32 -!- VolteccerJacl is now known as VolteccerJack 13:47:45 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:59:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:02:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:21 Devestator is a club? 14:03:24 er. 14:03:33 *Devastator 14:04:40 -!- dcssrubot205 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:33 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:06:18 Custom base type, I thought? 14:06:26 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-402-g13ef16d: Print messages on unmeld, partly to avoid silly messages. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 17-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13ef16de9bf6 14:06:32 definitely has more damage than a club 14:13:17 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:17:06 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:18:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:53 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 14:20:24 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:06 well it also does some shatter using the shillelagh function in spl-damage.cc 14:28:17 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:31:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:33:17 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:41:52 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:03 Alrighty, I'm back...silly computer had to be formatted. 14:43:06 -!- Lyfon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:43:32 -!- medgno has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:47 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 14:45:28 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45:48 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:39 -!- faz has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:06 -!- Felyza_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:02:46 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 15:02:58 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:22 -!- Bluewash has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:12:33 -!- tophat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:53 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:06 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:17:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:59 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:18 -!- superc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:35 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:34:45 -!- dcssrubot993 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:02 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:40:35 -!- Frelus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:42:50 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:10 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:18 -!- Zephryn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:35 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:38 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:03 -!- Kellhus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:53 -!- theimmortalbum has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:46:18 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:47:37 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 15:51:57 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 15:52:11 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:52:36 Hit twice by distortion, the 2 disto effects happened after the 2nd hit by Wahaha 15:53:00 -!- [2]Ryan has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 15:58:34 -!- Guest96705 has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:58:58 -!- Ark has quit [Client Quit] 16:08:26 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:08:36 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:44 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:18 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:15:17 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:18 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:56 -!- Spardakus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:30 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:43 yay final effects 16:28:00 How are monster spells stored? I see that there is monster->spells but I'm not sure where that gets set and if it has a set size or not. 16:29:26 -!- caleba has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:43 if they are apellcasters i think they always have 5 16:30:57 but some can be SPELL_NO_SPELL 16:31:02 or whatever it's called 16:31:29 *spellcasters 16:40:17 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:43:50 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:48 Cryp71c: hold on, I was looking at that file just the other day ... 16:45:04 ah, mon-spll.h 16:46:31 heh, test spawners have SPELL_SHADOW_CREATURES in every slot! 16:46:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi] 16:46:45 lol yeah 16:47:26 Cryp71c: there's a field in mon-data.h that indicates which entry from mon-spll.h to use 16:47:54 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:48:23 later fellas, i've got my shoes and i'm ready for the weekend 16:48:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:08 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:55:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:02 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 16:57:10 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:03:23 Self-target apportation message is misleading by Kyrris 17:03:26 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:38 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04:51 -!- dcssrubot533 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:05:53 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:06:21 -!- VolteccerJack_ is now known as VolteccerJack 17:06:30 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:07:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:07:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:09:01 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:09:26 -!- MAR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:26 Can we add this line to a unique: "We will kill them all........most of them." 17:12:07 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:12:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:14:06 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:21:21 -!- Svendre has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:28 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:19 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:27:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:14 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 17:42:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 17:42:50 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:44:11 -!- OndePyrat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:12 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:33 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:41 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 17:48:51 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-403-g33e23a9: Simplify. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=33e23a9b0eb6 17:53:56 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-404-gd11d99d: Fix more of Mantis 6884: Manually uncurse hides after placing them. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 17:53:57 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 17:54:04 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:01 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:55:03 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 17:55:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:01 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 18:01:28 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:36 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:48 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04:48 Should this be backported? 18:04:48 + b14bea4faed9b79faaf36bad86e8757ce0c924e8 Hide useless skills from tiles skill tab 18:05:15 should have commit message edited though 18:05:28 -!- gowby_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:19 Havvy: IMO orcish dudes 18:07:46 Sure. 18:10:43 -!- s951 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:14 Are the other tvs on termcast.develz.org ever going to make a comeback? 18:12:21 ??tv 18:12:22 tv[1/2]: An array of television channels are available by telnetting to termcast.develz.org, broadcasting recordings of (parts of) Crawl games, both user-controlled and automated. See also {footv}, {fightclub}, or !tvdef channelname for other channels. 18:12:27 SamB: Probably not worth the trouble 18:12:30 ??tv[2] 18:12:31 tv[2/2]: imagine if they had tv in real life 18:12:53 is that about if they had real reality tv? 18:13:01 so you could watch people splat IRL or something? 18:13:07 Ah, nvm, question answered on other channel. 18:13:28 s951: anyway I think you want !tvdef ? 18:13:38 ??tvdef 18:13:38 I don't have a page labeled tvdef in my learndb. 18:13:42 !tvdef 18:13:42 !tvdef: Define TV channel by !lg query: `!tvdef CHANNEL !lg * ...' to add channel, `!tvdef -rm CHANNEL' to delete, `!tvdef CHANNEL' to query. Authorized users: crate, elliott, elliptic, evilmike, greensnark, HangedMan, MarvinPA, minqmay, monqy, N78291, Napkin, rax, rwbarton, |amethyst 18:13:55 oh, you can't do it 18:13:57 I was just wondering why they weren't around by default 18:14:02 SamB: the tvdef channels are gone now 18:14:06 [00:12:16] Are they coming back? 18:14:06 [00:12:22] they were taking up to much bandwidth 18:14:06 [00:12:26] not in their old form 18:14:47 I heard there was a new thing, I assumed tvdef was it 18:15:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:15:01 ... if it's gone, why is it still giving me usage info? 18:15:21 presumably it sequell is yet to be updated for its lack of existence 18:15:26 s/it // 18:16:51 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:17:26 FR Remove boring trap types. 18:17:40 a.k.a. 'I damage you for stepping on me.' 18:18:05 that is long-since planned, yes 18:18:52 Has anybody suggested a trap that makes the tile you are in plus the surrounding 8 tiles all shallow water? 18:19:02 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:15 Havvy: you have, just now 18:19:45 Other than me? 18:20:42 ... so does Beogh grant rSteam to orcish followers of Lava Orcs? 18:20:53 <|amethyst> SamB: at least it didn't put the ".." in the middle of the URL 18:21:03 |amethyst: true 18:24:19 <|amethyst> SamB: Sadly, it seems Bot::BasicBot doesn't give a way to configure how the breaking works 18:24:31 :-( 18:24:38 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:24:45 <|amethyst> OTOH, I've already patched it to allow me to specify (and increase) the max message length 18:24:53 you can't even change the string used for continuations? 18:24:59 to, say, ".. "? 18:25:12 <|amethyst> not without editing the library 18:25:18 <|amethyst> which I'm about to do 18:26:07 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:26:36 <|amethyst> hm 18:26:56 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:28:20 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 18:28:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 18:28:26 -!- lainiw is now known as madreisz 18:28:56 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:08 <|amethyst> %pup ##crawl-dev long text is very long http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 18:29:14 <|amethyst> %pup ##crawl-dev long text is very long http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11d99d1fd38 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=co 18:29:21 <|amethyst> okay 18:30:38 -!- notmadreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:30:54 <|amethyst> apologies for spamming everyone with scroll 18:31:21 <|amethyst> Havvy: I kind of like the idea, but worry that it would be exploitable 18:32:12 <|amethyst> Havvy: e.g. if you fly (or swim or are extra stable) but most of your enemies don't, you might be inclined to intentionally trigger it 18:32:24 <|amethyst> Havvy: OTOH, I don't know if that's really a bad thing 18:32:46 But if you can't fly, swim, are stable, and are fleeing from a ranged enemy. 18:33:08 <|amethyst> Havvy: (the difference from cloud traps, which you might also intentioally trigger, is that their clouds aren't permanent) 18:34:02 |amethyst: Teleport traps are permanent and can be used as a means of escape. 18:34:56 -!- dcssrubot991 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:18 <|amethyst> yeah... "worry" was to strong a word 18:35:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:08 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:38:47 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:39:21 <|amethyst> Havvy: you're right, balance-wise I don't think it would be too terrible---it is permanent terrain modification, but nothing the player can really control and certainly nowhere near as bad as Rain 18:39:43 Yeah...I'm not a fan of rain. 18:40:11 <|amethyst> Havvy: I guess everything that's not floor would remain unchanged? 18:40:30 Yeah. 18:40:47 <|amethyst> hm 18:40:53 Though there could be a new flavorful statue. 18:41:07 "Sunken Statue" 18:41:07 <|amethyst> I guess a bigger concern might be: the trap is really only interesting if you run into it in combat 18:41:23 <|amethyst> (including while fleeing) 18:41:28 it could also just be temporary shallow water or whatever. 18:41:30 Well, there's a proposal to make it a monster trap. 18:41:33 this seems a bit close to a mechanical trap though 18:41:37 <|amethyst> monster trap? 18:41:45 Err, to make monster traps 18:41:53 those already exist 18:41:54 (spiders) 18:41:56 Traps that spawn with a monster. If you don't set it off and the monster dies, the trap goes away. 18:42:06 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:traps It's near the top. 18:42:11 <|amethyst> Havvy: aha 18:43:52 There's also a few swamp/that green water place layouts that could use a trap like this. 18:44:19 <|amethyst> Still, I don't think it would make sense to randomly place water traps 18:45:00 <|amethyst> since they only make sense with some kinds of monsters, and against others you're actually better off (because monsters are too stupid to sidestep you and leave the water) 18:45:24 <|amethyst> vault-placed or in water layouts, though, it sounds reasonable 18:45:43 <|amethyst> implemented in Lua presumably? 18:47:54 Yeah. 18:50:28 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:52:32 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:55:34 -!- Fear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:05:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05:28 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:43 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:13:48 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:14:13 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:23:42 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:25:57 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:25 -!- Lyfon has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?] 19:31:37 Perhaps we could make monsters more intelligent about water? 19:32:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:33:23 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:33:48 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:35:03 -!- kingbuddyboy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37:33 -!- Boyo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37:44 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 19:41:29 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:03 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:49:36 -!- Froggeryz has quit [] 20:00:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:00:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:48 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05:01 -!- dcssrubot700 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:09 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:13:38 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:27 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:48 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:11 SamB, thanks 20:20:22 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:20:48 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:22 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22:36 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:23:11 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:46 -!- mnoqy is now known as monqy 20:24:01 -!- monqy is now known as mnoqy 20:27:35 Hrm, thinking that an effect for Runed hands would be to "seal" one of an enemies spells, chosen at random for a brief period (1/8 chance of procing, maybe seal one random spell for max(1, random2(mut_level*3)-1) turns 20:27:58 And if it procs a 2nd time before the seal is done, it reseals a different spell, unsealing the first one that was sealed. 20:31:06 <|amethyst> Where sealing means something like antimagic? (waste the turn if they choose that slot?) 20:31:06 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:33:32 <|amethyst> would have to be careful about things like cantrip and melee 20:34:30 <|amethyst> also monsters with duplicate spells (death drake has Miasma x4) 20:35:30 <|amethyst> also, would this be real casters only, or also monsters with spell-like abilities? what about priestly casters? 20:36:01 |amethyst, do monsters actually have a concept of mp? 20:36:03 <|amethyst> it does sound interesting 20:36:11 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: no 20:36:27 just making it an antimagic-like effect sounds simpler than sealing a specific spell 20:36:28 I didn't think so, that wouldve been a convenient way on differenating "abilities" from "spells" 20:37:01 MarvinPA, yeah, trying to push the limits of crawl...it would be an interesting mechanic to have both for and against the player. 20:37:19 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: well, you can check the monster flags for M_ACTUAL_SPELLS 20:37:37 |amethyst, yeah I had no idea that even existed, amongst so much else in dcss :P 20:37:47 Not sure if it would waste a turn or not 20:38:59 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: but that could catch fewer things than you want: there's no way to distinguish quicksilver dragons' breath (at least somewhat magical) from bears' berserk (presumably entirely physical) 20:39:49 |amethyst, perhaps a more extensive methodology for categorizng spellcasters and/or spells? 20:40:26 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: you're not the first person to suggest that 20:40:37 I'm sure :) clearly no one has tackled it for some reason 20:40:58 Has it had mixed support, or just recognized as really tough to implement. 20:40:59 ? 20:41:02 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: actually 20:41:32 So, with more people here, what do you guys think about a trap that surrounds you with shallow water? 20:41:38 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: Eronarn worked on it nearly a year ago, but I don't think finished it 20:41:47 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5676 20:42:21 -!- Zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:42:51 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:24 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:45 Cryp71c: lots of player abilities cost MP 20:44:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:01 <|amethyst> oh 20:45:14 <|amethyst> I forgot the monster abilities that aren't implemented as spells 20:47:04 <|amethyst> acid spit for example, but also vault wardens' door-sealing 20:47:21 <|amethyst> some dragons use spells (e.g. quicksilver, iron), others don't 20:49:16 <|amethyst> what about chaos-branded UC? 20:50:38 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:51:19 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:37 So someone said that nausea is probably getting removed. What's the plan on replacing it with- sickness again? 20:51:44 With nothing. 20:51:50 With contam chunks getting less nutrition. 20:51:58 .13 will be amazing 20:51:59 or with nothing 20:52:42 replace with stat drain imo 20:53:04 What is the plan for .13? Nausea removal, probably a summon nerf if you figure out how to nerf it again... what else? 20:54:18 -!- dcssrubot169 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:46 -!- vadatajs has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:58:39 -!- marcmagus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:54 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03:28 Hrm, apparently my computer went to sleep but I never lost network connectivity. 21:04:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:05:35 |amethyst, so the code in mon-cast and the refernces to mon->spells includes abilities and does not include the newer things like vault guards' door sealing, etc.? 21:05:55 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:07:19 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: some, even most, monster "abilities" are handled as spells; but a number are handled in mon_special_ability instead 21:07:19 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:07:34 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: there are differences in frequency of "casting" etc 21:07:50 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:08:05 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:08:23 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: often but not always if it's a one-off it will be handled in mon_special_ability 21:08:37 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:09:04 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: so fire crab breath, mesmerisation, slime creature merge/split, and so on are handled there 21:09:12 <|amethyst> most breath actually 21:10:47 <|amethyst> it also tends to be the monster's primary ability, since they use mons_special_ability more often than spells I believe 21:10:54 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:46 yeah none of those sound "sealable" 21:11:47 <|amethyst> definitely more often than a single spell slot 21:11:48 to me anyways 21:12:33 -!- Vizer__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:16 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: I think the only reasonably consistent rule is "only M_ACTUAL_SPELLS | M_PRIEST" 21:13:25 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: or "only M_ACTUAL_SPELLS" 21:14:11 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: otherwise you'd have to explain why you can seal a swamp drake but not a fire drake 21:14:29 <|amethyst> or a quicksilver dragon but not an ice dragon 21:14:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:15:59 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:11 <|amethyst> Lightli: If someone told you that you had to win a MiCj, how would you do it? :) 21:16:14 <|amethyst> doh 21:16:40 1learn add |amethyst <|amethyst> doh 21:16:55 <|amethyst> !learn add amethyst[1] <|amethyst> doh 21:16:55 amethyst[1/3]: <|amethyst> doh 21:17:10 ??amethyst[2] 21:17:10 amethyst[2/3]: Proof that you don't have to be a good player to be a dev 21:17:14 ??amethyst[3] 21:17:14 neil[1/1]: !lg neil 3512 -tv 21:17:41 I'm surprised ??grunt doesn't mention anything about my vaults yet. 21:17:56 ??grunt 21:17:57 grunt[1/6]: I'm really looking forward to the point in 0.12 where someone first comes across a tornado ghost. 21:18:04 ??grunt[2 21:18:05 grunt[2/6]: his puns are...*glasses*...bad 21:18:49 tornado ghost? 21:18:56 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:02 This was back when I was expecting Tornado to become a monster spell :b 21:19:42 oh, ghosts with Tornado among their spells 21:19:56 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20:17 * SamB would like to see an OOD zombie 21:20:26 @??orb of destruction 21:20:26 orb of destruction (16*) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 1000 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 08acid+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm++ | XP: 0 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 21:20:29 @??orb of destruction zombie 21:20:29 unknown monster: "orb of destruction zombie" 21:20:50 unknown monster: "spectral orb of destruction" 21:20:50 <|amethyst> %??spectral orb of destruction 21:20:52 <|amethyst> aww 21:21:02 !send |amethyst a spectral orb of fire 21:21:03 Sending a spectral orb of fire to |amethyst. 21:21:13 -!- Arivia has quit [Client Quit] 21:21:29 unknown monster: "spectral orb of fire" 21:21:29 %??spectral orb of fire 21:21:45 You can generate them in fightclub. 21:21:49 ... just not directly. 21:21:56 unknown monster: "spectral jelly" 21:21:56 <|amethyst> %??spectral jelly name:Slimer 21:23:02 <|amethyst> FR: spectral rock jellies 21:24:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:26:04 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Linkinus - 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How many exponents will I need? 22:42:03 Grunt: do you hate his vault? 22:43:21 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:44:44 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:57:02 -!- gowby has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:02:47 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:49 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:17:52 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:19:58 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:20:03 -!- DrPraetor|2 is now known as DrPraetor 23:23:08 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Saber] 23:26:19 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:11 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:27:22 Also, evaporate was not bad. Fulsome distillation *was* bad, but evaporate was not. I suggest restoring evaporate, and adding an alchemy god that gives you periodic potion gifts. 23:28:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:28:34 I don't think taking away Makhleb's MP for kills was a good move. It makes Makhleb less of an interesting option for spellcasters, and fighters don't generally care. Less diversity is bad, especially when Vehumet and Sif Muna are such dominant options. 23:29:27 that was like three versions ago 23:29:47 and "spellcasters" seem to still pick makhleb plenty 23:32:24 Trunk is 0.12 now, yeah? 23:32:49 %git HEAD 23:32:49 03SamB * 0.13-a0-407-gf36a11a: Devastator: give "Time to introduce the shillelagh law." message on unmeld. 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f36a11aeb757 23:33:05 makhleb is still overpowered anyway 23:33:08 by a good margin 23:33:13 why u highlight me? 23:33:51 Just pointing out what trunk is at the moment. 23:34:23 * SamB could actually tell from the context 23:35:50 Did 0.12 get skipped for some reason? First, if Makhleb isn't the balance point, which deity is? Second, I think it's much better design to have diverse strategies take different religions for diverse regions. Makhleb is plenty good, that isn't the issue. 23:36:00 why on earth would 0.12 be skipped 23:39:49 CDO has 0.10, 0.11 and trunk; but apparently trunk is 0.13? 23:40:42 0.12 isn't released yet 23:40:43 it is in beta 23:41:48 * Havvy finds it weird that 0.12 isn't available on CAO/CDO/ect. 23:41:53 Ah, gotcha. +100 points to whoever did the new Cj, by the way. Loads of fun to play. 23:42:35 Havvy: try CSZO 23:42:50 I enjoy trunk. 23:43:19 Well, specifically, mumra's maps. 23:44:42 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:46 though I thought |amethyst had root on CAO too, so I wonder why CAO doesn't have 0.12 ... 23:44:55 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:46:18 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:36 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:56 -!- DrPraetor|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:59:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]