00:00:29 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-92-gc540270 00:01:19 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-389-g9c4de7a (34) 00:02:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:11 !whereis bh 00:03:12 bh the Slayer (L27 HuFi) last saved on D:1 on 2013-04-13 after 17 turns. 00:03:17 $whereis bh 00:03:23 %whereis bh 00:03:23 bh the Axe Maniac (L21 HOPr), a worshipper of Beogh, is currently in WizLab after 59762 turns. 00:03:32 so, should I GTFO of this vault? 00:03:36 oops 00:05:46 -!- Scottbert has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:49 So I was wondering how easy it is to mod crawl with your own patches, just for fun. (I can code, but I'm not familiar with crawl's code) 00:07:50 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:09:11 -!- rwbarton has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:10:19 -!- Scott_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:42 -!- Scott_ is now known as Guest22341 00:10:45 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:45 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Changing host] 00:10:45 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:43 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:04 -!- Guest22341 is now known as Scottbert2 00:13:23 it is easy to add simple things to crawl if your tolerance for awful C++ code is good 00:13:32 (since it is a long-lived codebase that is crufty in many areas) 00:13:41 -!- Scottbert has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:13:47 easiest way to find out is to try 00:14:18 Of course, what is 'simple' may not always be what looks simple on the surface 00:14:37 Since sometimes an apparently simple thing needs to be added in a slightly different way 3 times in 3 seperate parts of the codebase 00:14:48 (Or more) 00:14:51 well 00:14:56 I was wondering if there is any sort of modding guide for things like, say, adding new races (I'm looking at the code -- I see where skill aptitudes are, and the stuff in species.cc, but I am at a loss as to where stuf like body parts is determined... is it by the corresponding monster set in species.cc for a given species? 00:14:58 i suggest not trying to do the kinds of things DracoOmega tries to do 00:15:15 Haha, do you now? :P 00:15:20 I don't know what he tries to do 00:17:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:21:10 Like is there a list anywhere of 'this stuff is in this source file' 00:21:30 cat foo.cc 00:21:35 that will show you everything in that file 00:22:34 <|amethyst> Scottbert2: one thing that can be helpful is to look through the commit history for other commits that added races 00:24:01 Ooh, that's a good idea 00:24:29 <|amethyst> Scottbert2: (on the other hand, the most recent two species, octopodes and felid, are a bit weird so have lots more code than most species would need) 00:24:36 Why on earth would I use cat instead of a text editor or something with context highlighting? 00:25:13 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:25:21 <|amethyst> 9572559 is first of the the commits that added octopodes, and 496e7ac for felids 00:25:22 Uh... how do I see commit history? ._. 00:25:36 <|amethyst> git log --grep octopode -i 00:25:42 <|amethyst> (-i is for case-insensitive) 00:26:01 <|amethyst> when you have a commit hash you can do git show 9572559 00:28:00 Scottbert2: I was being cheeky 00:28:17 <|amethyst> you can also try gitk or gitg, which are GUI git history browsers 00:28:30 * SamB <3 gitk 00:29:02 <|amethyst> or there's the web interface for gitorious (where crawl is hosted), but it sucks 00:29:41 I see gitorious but I have no idea how to get it to search for this stuff -- its search bar doesn't seem to work 00:30:18 that's probably covered under "it sucks" 00:31:48 <|amethyst> yeah, apparently you can search for projects, repositories, and merge requests, but not AFAIK commits 00:32:22 <|amethyst> Scottbert2: using git locally is definitely the way to go 00:32:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:33:29 <|amethyst> Scottbert2: actually, I guess you can search the mirror at http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git 00:39:39 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:51 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:36 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Quit: bitsailor_] 00:46:25 -!- hoody has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:20 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:02 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:55 -!- Boyo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:06 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:45 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:11:19 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:55 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:23:26 -!- dupo has quit [] 01:23:50 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0a2/20130414004015]] 01:27:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37:58 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 01:38:23 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:39:37 -!- eb has quit [] 01:42:42 Is there a channel where nobody can speak except Chei giving the updates to the game? 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04:46:06 I think they had some issues with wielded decks displaying wrong 04:46:14 Though I also thought that was fixed? 04:50:15 Looks like fix only applied to identified decks according to the history 04:50:21 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6407 04:52:05 Yeah, I missed the part about non-ided decks, so it got only partly fixed. 04:52:18 There is a patch to fix them too now. 04:53:38 Guess it hasn't been applied to cszo git yet. 04:53:42 Also, it's just a display issue. They work fine. 04:53:50 It hasn't been applied at all, yes. 04:54:25 Since I'm playing on git, figured letting people know when I saw an obvious bug. 04:54:41 Of course :) 04:54:47 * would be a good idea (sigh... stupid partial sentences, I'm tired) 04:55:07 Keep them coming 04:55:55 As I catch them. 04:57:18 Used two, and now it's id'd, no more 'buggy' 05:01:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:02:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:17 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:05:28 -!- brownrecluse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:19:58 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:30 Felyza: posting bugs on Mantis is always appreciated too; sometimes someone will be around here who can comment or fix something but not always, if it's on Mantis then more people will see it. 05:24:30 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:24:34 !messages 05:24:35 (1/1) Grunt said (8h 34m 26s ago): I approve of the polar cathedral_of_symmetry variant :) 05:25:13 mumra, I commented on the bug that already existed for it. I don't believe most would appreciate dupes. ;) 05:28:13 Felyza: of course, if you can add to an existing open ticket that's always better :) 05:29:35 we don't just want bugs in git either of course, the .12 release is coming soon so bugs there are kind of even more critical to fix 05:30:50 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:34:07 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:39:50 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:45:52 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:48:32 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 05:57:29 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 06:07:53 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:15 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:01 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:28:18 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:15 -!- Felyza_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:56 -!- Felyza has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:48:34 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:48:48 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:59 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:49:00 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 07:00:22 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:29 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:00:30 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 07:02:20 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:03:31 -!- Sprort has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:17 -!- Sprort has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:33 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:13:25 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:15:08 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:38 -!- Faygzee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:35:57 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:37:17 -!- santiago_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:18 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:42:01 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:45:28 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:45:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 07:46:53 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49:24 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:49:29 Rizhik (L14 MiFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 592 failed. 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11:03:20 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 11:07:53 I'd like some help! 11:32:58 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:32:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:05 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:57 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:33 -!- dcssrubot805 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:28 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 12:02:30 syraine: what with? 12:02:44 oh, that was like an hour ago 12:06:01 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-13-g9771293 12:06:25 -!- Namey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:38 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:10:03 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:10:12 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-389-g9c4de7a (34) 12:15:28 -!- scummos has quit [Client Quit] 12:19:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: 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Connection reset by peer] 16:15:52 Maybe not quite frustrated 16:17:01 * SamB wonders if not quite being frustrated means Medar isn't ready for more access 16:18:04 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:09 I'll be glad to have it, I guess 16:18:40 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:20:32 !tell Napkin can we give Medar more mantis powers? 16:20:32 SamB: OK, I'll let napkin know. 16:21:12 i'm pretty frustrated, too. 16:21:37 what have you wanted to do? 16:25:27 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:27 -!- Nareusm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:27 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:30:17 get mantis powers ;) 16:35:16 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:48 <|amethyst> Mantis powers are useless anyway, someone will just plug in the second controller 16:37:15 |amethyst: what? 16:37:49 metal gear something 16:38:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:38 psycho mantis i think? i didn't actually play it but i know the reference, anyway 16:42:22 http://uk.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/tenspot/0918boss/7.html well this page has white text on a white background for some reason 16:42:34 <|amethyst> yeah, metal gear solid (which I've never played) had a character Psycho Mantis who could "predict" your movements (knowing your inputs before they take effect; he'd also look at the saves on your memory card and comment about other games you'd been playing). This was intentionally disabled if you plug your controller into port 2 instead. He even commented on how he couldn't read your mind anymore 16:42:36 -!- home_ has quit [Changing host] 16:42:45 -!- home has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:42:53 -!- home_ is now known as home 16:42:54 <|amethyst> Here's another article: http://www.destructoid.com/the-memory-card-03-the-encounter-with-psycho-mantis-31477.phtml 16:43:25 also good is the boss from MGS3 which you can kill by setting the system clock forward a month 16:44:34 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Client Quit] 16:44:44 so, should I cherry pick my book ID change, my "aaaah don't run awwaay!" patch for Recall, and some of these tiles? 16:45:06 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45:08 st_: how does that kill the boss? 16:45:16 he's really old 16:45:29 yes but how does the game know the real time? 16:46:13 i presume it's just that the clock is 1 month further than when you started the game or when you started the level or something 16:47:10 also this Vampire's tooth bugfix 16:47:43 A lot of PS/PS2 games used system clock for various things I think 16:47:59 that just being one of the more famous instances (really console games of that generation maybe?) 16:49:33 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-392-g85ae4b4: Don't give experience to summons 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85ae4b4ff512 16:54:42 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57:18 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:58:47 MarvinPA: oh, should I cherry pick my changes to auto-ID of delayed-action jewellery? 16:58:57 -!- zero_one has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:32 oh hm, did the first part of that go into 0.12? if so then i guess yeah 17:00:00 the one you did about evokable jewellery did 17:00:38 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:00:43 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:47 in particular, I was wondering if I should grab: 17:00:49 + 28c38b4c00fe089396edb67a5966be81b91d714e Don't require juggling to wear-ID delayed-action jewellery like SInv and resists 17:01:19 and if I did, obviously I should also grab: 17:01:27 + b2beb16e69bffa2c9b32b4fd54d3b7661a8dcacf Don't "ID" delayed-action jewellery of known types. 17:01:41 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:02:33 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:23 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:45 %mantis 6874 17:05:09 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:06:10 -!- home_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:06:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:21 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:19:27 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20:51 -!- faz is now known as faz_ 17:28:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:29:12 -!- TheErin has quit [Client Quit] 17:29:38 -!- xxx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:30:01 -!- Boyo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30:53 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:03 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:41:54 -!- dcssrubot705 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:20 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:42:33 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:55 * galehar can bestow others with mantis power 17:47:18 there's an updater access level between reporter and developer 17:47:44 not sure what it allows 17:48:16 galehar: that would be what i was on before i got dev rights 17:48:43 it allows most useful stuff i think 17:50:06 so, if anyone wants to be upgraded, !tell me 17:50:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:50:29 I'll upgrade medar 17:51:03 Zannick: was that a serious request? You manage bugs a lot? 17:52:35 galehar: no, not a serious request :) 17:53:50 I've upgraded bh to dev while I was at it 17:54:22 now sleep... 17:57:45 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 17:59:10 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:05:01 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:05:46 -!- boxfactory has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:44 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:09:55 -!- zero_one has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:38 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:17:19 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:46 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:25:08 -!- doome has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:29:00 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:52 -!- treefrog_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:33:21 so, is merging any of these a bad idea: http://paste.debian.net/249992/ 18:34:33 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:44 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:43:45 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:44:41 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:46:13 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:24 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:50:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:53:16 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:53:38 -!- doome has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:36 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:58:48 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Client Quit] 18:59:17 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:26 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:59 -!- dcssrubot617 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:38 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:17:14 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:43 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:03 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:27:03 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:27:23 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:26 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:34:33 MarvinPA: I don't suppose you're still around? 19:36:10 WalkerBoh the Conqueror (L27 KoSu) (Abyss:5) 19:36:15 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:37:03 !lm crash -log 19:37:04 No milestones for crash. 19:37:10 !lm . crash -log 19:37:11 No milestones for SamB (crash). 19:37:14 !lm * crash -log 19:37:15 4673. WalkerBoh, XL27 KoSu, T:128643 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/WalkerBoh/crash-WalkerBoh-20130417-003610.txt 19:44:20 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 19:48:23 -!- Vigyaz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:18 -!- Lyfon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:16 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:07:34 SamB: everything but the autoid changes to books and jewelry is almost certainly fine to put into 0.12. not so sure about the id changes. 20:07:35 alefury: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:08:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:08:23 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:57 alefury: the one to books is really just an interface thing because someone on ##crawl didn't know they could read-ID manuals without penalty 20:09:14 tiles are usually good to cherrypick before release, bugfixes (that are unlikely to cause regressions) are always good 20:09:15 or at least seemed not to know that 20:10:04 i guess you would have to talk to someone who knows what hes talking about about that :) 20:10:56 <-- bed 20:11:01 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:14:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:19:13 <|amethyst> !lg * chei / tiles 20:19:14 6185/14484 games for * (chei): N=6185/14484 (42.70%) 20:19:17 <|amethyst> doh 20:20:17 |amethyst: should we coredump on SIGSEGV? 20:21:56 <|amethyst> coredump instead of crash dump? 20:22:12 <|amethyst> if we can do both, it should be possible to do it for all crashes, not just SIGSEGV 20:23:10 <|amethyst> personally I would leave coredumps ulimited off on cszo, because they can be pretty huge 20:23:33 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:23:35 <|amethyst> but having the option would be nice 20:23:44 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:47 this crash dump is not saying where we crashed 20:24:13 <|amethyst> SamB: it has a stack trace 20:24:26 <|amethyst> SamB: which, yes, we could get from a coredump, but it's not as convenient 20:24:36 true 20:24:55 but it doesn't say what line 20:25:28 <|amethyst> having just the one line number doesn't always help with asserts either 20:25:37 <|amethyst> e.g. if it's a bounds error in a FixedVector 20:25:53 <|amethyst> so core dumps would be useful for regular crashes too 20:26:23 <|amethyst> but I don't know if it's possible to do a core dump without terminating the program immediately 20:26:44 <|amethyst> I guess we could have the error handler do a core dump after writing the crash dump 20:27:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:27:43 could run gcore(1) 20:28:44 <|amethyst> or could fork, then in the child change the signal handlers and self-kill 20:28:56 yeah 20:28:59 that's better 20:29:28 * SamB doesn't know why he momentarily thought gcore would be better 20:42:04 -!- dcssrubot852 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:19 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:00 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:06 any more thoughts on http://paste.debian.net/249992/ ? 21:14:45 -!- qweqwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:15:24 SamB: looks like a reasonable list to me. 21:15:28 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:19:42 so I should go ahead and cherry-pick them all? 21:19:54 <|amethyst> hm... 21:20:09 <|amethyst> it's a pretty big list, I would send it around to c-r-d 21:20:31 <|amethyst> most of it is uncontroversial, though 21:21:16 <|amethyst> actually 21:21:35 <|amethyst> of the stuff under "probably", the only thing I could imagine objections to is the auto-ID of spellbooks 21:21:47 <|amethyst> (and rods etc) 21:22:01 the rods bit is reverted two commits down 21:22:33 <|amethyst> oh right 21:23:08 because it made cursed rods of innacuracy seem kind of pointless 21:23:42 <|amethyst> auto-ID of spellbooks isn't a real gameplay change, but it does feel rather different 21:26:34 <|amethyst> not that I'm objecting to it going into 0.12, just that IMO everything except that and the "Maybe" stuff is completely uncontroversial and you should go ahead and do those 21:27:56 hmm, that's going to complicate pulling the commit hashes out of the file :-( 21:28:50 <|amethyst> cut and paste them into a different text file, problem solved 21:29:47 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:12 actually this one may be more involved then I thought: 21:30:19 + d05f410291f73692dcaba287ee963d988d816ecb Make ctrl-attacking a wall not waste a turn. 21:30:42 <|amethyst> hm 21:31:04 <|amethyst> I forgot how big a change that was 21:31:15 <|amethyst> yeah, probably safer to leave that one out 21:32:02 yeah, I was unsure whether to cherry-pick that one when I committed it 21:32:24 -!- vadatajs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:36 <|amethyst> SamB: also, you left a FIXME comment in d3c1763 (follow on recall); do you think it's fine for 0.12 without addressing that (what to do for berserk monsters)? 21:36:47 it's probably not really that big of a deal 21:37:52 elliptic: what do you think of the ID stuff? 21:38:52 my inclination would be to leave the spellbook auto-ID for 0.13 21:39:52 I don't really know anything about the jewellery ID changes 21:40:14 %git 28c38b4c 21:40:14 03SamB * 0.13-a0-265-g28c38b4: Don't require juggling to wear-ID delayed-action jewellery like SInv and resists 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 48-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=28c38b4c00fe 21:40:47 well, the jewellery one isn't just "make the PC a bit smarter" 21:41:14 whereas the book one (with the rods reverted) is 21:41:15 that change makes it so that a ring of sInv will autoID even if you have a helmet of sInv also? 21:41:22 yeah 21:41:49 even if you have sharp eyes 21:42:01 or whatever the mutation is called 21:42:08 (there is one for that, right?) 21:42:24 I like the change, probably it shouldn't go in 0.12 though I guess 21:42:48 unless there is an actual bug it fixes 21:43:24 %git b2beb16e 21:43:24 03SamB * 0.13-a0-295-gb2beb16: Don't "ID" delayed-action jewellery of known types. 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2beb16e69bf 21:43:35 basically it's for "gah its' a pain to juggle all this gear just to find out what's giving me SInv" 21:44:13 right; in practice that doesn't really happen though since all non-jewellery sources of it auto-ID 21:44:48 <|amethyst> well 21:44:49 Is it a bug that a book shop can sell multiple copies of the same book? 21:44:58 you wouldn't even know, actually 21:45:03 what does the delayed-action commit do? 21:45:04 Havvy: not if they're manuals 21:45:06 <|amethyst> it does often happen in the early game that you're wearing two unided rings 21:45:10 If they aren't manuals? 21:45:27 |amethyst: true 21:45:52 I don't know if it's a bug otherwise, though it doesn't seem terribly useful 21:45:52 Havvy: I wouldn't call that a bug 21:46:06 duplicate books can still theoretically be useful, as expensive scrolls of amnesia 21:46:13 heh 21:46:15 okay 21:46:23 or as fodder for nemelex or trog, though that's more marginal 21:46:31 <|amethyst> I've bought highlevel books for that purpose before 21:46:44 it's no worse than shops selling two identical amulets at least 21:47:07 and maybe another adventurer will come and buy the one you didn't buy! 21:47:16 anyway, "Don't "ID"" means "don't give dumb messages about things we already IDed in a different instance" 21:47:47 couldn't your halfling twin use the other amulet? 21:47:48 SamB: this is for randart rings of sustenance and such 21:47:49 ? 21:47:56 Alright. I just found it a little strange. Though IMO, those marginal uses aren't worth the interface clutter. 21:48:24 <|amethyst> yeah, I would be worried about how that commit affects randart ID 21:48:34 elliptic: er, yeah, I guess so 21:48:39 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:48:40 but also SInv and resists 21:48:49 wait, not randart 21:49:10 |amethyst: well isn't it intended for randarts? I don't remember any extraneous messages with non-randarts 21:49:13 maybe I'm wrong though 21:49:22 ... when you've put on a second copy of a ring you IDed already 21:49:32 (I don't wear-ID randart jewellery) 21:49:53 SamB: hm, why isn't the item already identified completely then? 21:49:57 <|amethyst> elliptic: I'm not sure under what situations item_type_known can be true without ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE being set, other than randarts 21:50:01 since you know the type and the curse status 21:50:58 I believe ISFLAG_KNOWN_TYPE doesn't get set on every individual ring just because you learned that type 21:51:26 obviously, for randarts this is irrelevant 21:51:39 since you only learned for the one randart anyway 21:51:54 which DID get ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE 21:52:09 <|amethyst> SamB: it is set in item_infos anyway 21:52:50 let me see if I can repro the bug 21:54:37 -!- jeffro has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 21:55:32 <|amethyst> elliptic: ah, what happens is apparently: when you item_type_known, ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE is removed from _full_ident_mask 21:55:56 identify status code confuses me so much 21:55:58 <|amethyst> elliptic: but this isn't using _full_ident_mask AFAIK 21:56:12 <|amethyst> SamB: I think probably it should be an || of both conditions 21:57:01 doesn't item_type_known respect ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE? 21:57:28 <|amethyst> oh 21:58:43 hmm, I can't reproduce the problem on 0.12 anyway though 21:59:15 or, wait 21:59:30 <|amethyst> it's easy to get weird id states in wizmode depending on how you create objects and whether you use &i and &I 21:59:38 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:05 well, I didn't get the messages, and yeah I guess what I just did should have given me them if anything normal would 22:00:22 maybe the bug was bogus 22:00:24 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:01:15 okay, so I should drop all of these ID changes then, you think? 22:01:29 even though the books thing isn't revealing extra info? 22:01:53 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:03:14 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:37 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:56 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:21 -!- jeffro has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:06:32 |amethyst: oh, re: SIGSEGV, I think we probably ought to make the resulting milestone include something about the signal involved, instead of saying nothing where the assert usually goes 22:07:51 -!- jeffro has quit [Client Quit] 22:10:24 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:10:47 -!- infniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:10 -!- dcssrubot101 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:00 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:15:04 <|amethyst> SamB: agreed 22:17:07 -!- jeffro has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:18:56 -!- eb is now known as rwbarton______ 22:18:57 -!- minqmay is now known as minqmay_ 22:19:02 -!- minqmay_ is now known as minmay 22:19:07 -!- rwbarton______ is now known as eb 22:19:09 -!- minmay is now known as minmay_ 22:19:14 -!- minmay_ is now known as minqmay 22:21:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:22:24 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:23:06 -!- Mutt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:24:21 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:25:41 -!- buster is now known as Guest98998 22:27:57 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:32:46 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:12 Does anyone know which C++ standard Crawl is supposed to conform to? 22:35:25 "does it compile" 22:35:56 Specifically, can I use the C2011 template 22:36:30 <|amethyst> what's the oldest gcc and clang that support it? 22:36:57 <|amethyst> we currently require gcc 4.1 or newer or clang 3.0 or newer 22:37:11 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:39:17 <|amethyst> in particular, we don't compile with -std=c++11 22:40:03 GNU's page says partial support for C++11 (wrong name last time) in experimental builds, so I will not use it. Thank you. 22:41:01 <|amethyst> it appears OS X's gcc (quite old) has it as 22:41:03 <|amethyst> so yeah 22:41:07 <|amethyst> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12516830/mac-osx-10-7-4-xcode-4-4-1-no-array-header-file 22:42:08 <|amethyst> infniplex: perhaps FixedVector does what you want? 22:42:36 <|amethyst> infniplex: fixedvector.h for 1D, fixedarray.h for 2D 22:42:48 |amethyst: wow I have a lot of copies of tr1/array 22:43:32 <|amethyst> /usr/include/boost/tr1/tr1/array what is this I don't even 22:43:50 I guess boost implemented it too? 22:43:56 <|amethyst> I mean, I understand why boost has it, but why "tr1/tr1/" ? 22:44:04 that is a bit puzzling, yes 22:44:34 * SamB is also puzzled by /home/naesten/dos/djgpp/include/cxx/4.23/tr1/array 22:44:44 what is this "4.23" 22:44:59 I thought we were only up to 4.8, and is that even released? 22:45:50 <|amethyst> SamB: djgpp probably has different version numbers 22:46:11 fixedarray is perfect. Thank you. 22:46:16 -!- rzimodnar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:48:00 -!- atomicthumbs has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:18 is there anywhere I can get the latest 0.13 compiled for windows 22:48:19 -!- Scottbert is now known as Staren 22:48:22 or do I have to do this myself 22:49:15 where's that RSS feed? 22:49:39 atomicthumbs: you can get it from us, our website is just broken 22:50:36 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:51:43 <|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/crawl_tiles-0.13-a0-378-g6c5a15d.zip http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/crawl-0.13-a0-378-g6c5a15d.zip 22:51:58 <|amethyst> RSS feeds are linked to from http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/rss-feeds 22:53:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:44 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:36 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:03:42 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:04:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:33 -!- Beneather has quit [Quit: Beneather] 23:06:50 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:54 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20:28 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24:24 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:24:54 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:26:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:07 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 23:27:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:34 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 23:33:00 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:56 03mumra 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-93-g353bee8: #6877 Don't increase hunger when unmelding Vampire's Tooth unrand 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=353bee8edc09 23:38:56 03SamB 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-94-g083d896: Fix wear-ID of ring of poison resistance (rPois) from mephitic clouds 10(8 days ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=083d89695542 23:38:56 03Cryp71c 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-95-g8481836: Mantis 6874: Mutation message for temp mutations becomming permanent 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84818366d34e 23:38:56 03Cryp71c 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-96-gd83b62c: Further fixes to 6874, permafying temporary DS mutations 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d83b62c0cc1d 23:38:56 03Cryp71c 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-97-g31f152c: Logic reordering for Mantis 6874 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31f152cf1b6b 23:38:56 03DracoOmega 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-98-ge66adcd: Improve prompts for moving while confused and near deep water or lava 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e66adcd9030c 23:38:56 03SamB 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-99-g8cc2163: Make Yred/Beogh's recall abilities prevent recalled dudes from running off 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 26+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cc2163a03f0 23:38:56 03ontoclasm 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-100-g20e3a2a: New Lamia tile 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20e3a2a3af1b 23:38:56 03ontoclasm 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-101-g9226b22: Erica tile edit 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9226b225f5ac 23:38:56 03ontoclasm 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-102-g2525625: Realign Lamia's weapon 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25256255ed92 23:38:56 ... and 8 more commits 23:42:15 -!- dcssrubot296 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:00 -!- Boyo_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:49:55 -!- faz has quit [] 23:50:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:51:38 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]