00:00:02 yup 00:00:13 I get that somewhat often, and it can sometimes feel pretty big compared to other levels. 00:00:18 mumra: got any pictures? 00:00:28 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-90-g0b46968 00:00:31 I loved the ghenna layouts you posted before 00:00:46 mumra is basically a superhuman 00:00:47 bh: i stopped posting pictures since you can just see them in trunk now :P 00:01:04 mumra: what dungeon branch? 00:01:12 bh: all the branches! 00:01:13 mumra: what, are you suggesting we cheat? 00:01:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-358-gbd2ac2f (34) 00:01:43 SamB: well if you spectate Tiran now you can see one of my Lair maps 00:01:55 i like that one too 00:01:55 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-358-gbd2ac2f (34) 00:02:02 Grunt: there's actually two layouts that can produce that ant colony type thing which is why you see it too often 00:02:05 looks like it's been tunneled out by insects 00:02:06 i'll just retire the original one 00:02:13 since we left in the jester's cap tile, maybe we could add a fixedart? 00:02:39 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 00:03:08 Int-, Something+, recurse 00:03:18 Make it give you blinkitis and random buffs :P 00:03:30 rChaos- 00:03:36 ??blinkitis 00:03:36 I don't have a page labeled blinkitis in my learndb. 00:03:38 ontoclasm: is that a thing? 00:03:44 <3 blinkitis 00:03:52 The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: zot. 00:04:02 it's kind of obvious what it would be, I just wondered if it was already a thing 00:04:10 Wisp form has it 00:04:13 mumra: the what? 00:04:19 and you can get it from Xom 00:04:30 SamB: message i got trying to search the forum for 'Zot' 00:04:52 oh, I was going to say, it didn't seem like it would be that common on Google 00:05:06 bh: i posted some pictures in this thread of the prospective zot layouts: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7445 00:05:12 but actually the final versions are much better 00:05:16 unless you *were* trying to use google to search it 00:05:35 and it gets really time consuming taking screenshots and sticking them together like that :P 00:05:40 mumra: I love the labyrinth layout 00:05:44 i kind of want to write a script to automate it 00:05:54 mumra: why not just a wizmode command? 00:06:52 SamB: that would be ideal, probably easiest way would be to dump the map to a text tile 00:07:35 but, people can easily do &Ctrl-R&{ in wizmode 00:07:52 D:15-20 is the best area to see all the new D ones 00:08:04 <|amethyst> what about some kind of evocation bonus for the jester's cap? 00:08:13 and there's stuff in every branch now except Dis, Swamp and Shoals i think 00:08:28 |amethyst: that's an interesting idea 00:08:29 Wearing the Jester's cap should make Xom happy. 00:08:30 evoke the cap for temporary chaos brand 00:08:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:08:39 oh and Orc and Slime. they don't get anything new, although i think Slime should actually be made a bit more distinct from orc 00:08:41 or that, xom acts every x turns 00:08:41 Havvy: nah. nothing should make xom happy :) 00:08:49 because right now it's an identical generator 00:08:49 |amethyst: Sadly, I don't think that would do much normally. Since Nemelex characters don't need more evocations skill, due to piety, and most other cases don't use the skill for much of anything 00:09:18 ??badgod 00:09:19 I don't have a page labeled badgod in my learndb. 00:09:22 But I guess it could be okay if you were using rods, maybe? 00:09:44 in tiles, it could offer to save you an image file even 00:09:47 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: have it give you the DD recharge ability at a higher cost :) 00:09:59 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: (okay, not really) 00:11:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:24 Like, unless it did something else notable, an evocations boost on its own doesn't seem like it would really be worth putting up with some other downside for 00:11:44 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: how about something like half hunger (reducible to zero with evo skill) for evocations 00:12:08 Hmmm.... well, this basically means 'expensive rod spells' 00:12:14 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-358-gbd2ac2f 00:12:31 Though due to how rod hunger works, those normally ARE a bit hungering to use. 00:12:38 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:43 oh, another bad idea - a `swarm of bugs` monster that can occupy the same square as the player. 00:12:54 bh: that's an old idea 00:13:04 mumra: it's still bad ;) 00:13:05 Eronarn did half an implementation ages ago 00:13:25 could be something different as a player spell though 00:13:25 so you could have half a swarm of bugs cohabit the player's square 00:13:52 well the idea is the swarm occupies multiple squares 00:13:55 and kind of swarms around the place 00:14:38 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:15:57 FR Being able to change the default skills for a race/class combo. 00:16:16 it could be implemented as a real monster that inflicts a status effect when it hits something 00:16:30 Havvy: you can do that with lua in your rcfile 00:16:59 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Quit: bitsailor_] 00:17:00 i don't know how but i know some people have 00:17:33 Speaking of rods, I assume there is no gameplay reason why hunger and power are not displayed for them? 00:18:25 Medar: sounds about right. The trend has been toward supplying full information. 00:18:51 -!- OminousNom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18:57 Maybe I'll try to add them at some point. 00:20:28 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 00:21:45 http://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/192x/6c/b6/45/6cb64507c38a4e463f0abcc4d928d514.jpg 00:21:53 found it 00:22:05 awesome! 00:23:35 she _is_ lamia basically 00:23:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:24:12 ??rod of destruction 00:24:13 rod of destruction[1/1]: Comes in 4 varieties. [fire] contains throw flame, bolt of fire, fireball. [ice] contains throw frost, throw icicle, freezing cloud. [iron,fireball,lightning] and [inacc,magma,cold] are self-explanatory. 00:24:52 ??innacuracy 00:24:53 I don't have a page labeled innacuracy in my learndb. 00:24:56 ??innac 00:24:57 I don't have a page labeled innac in my learndb. 00:25:02 ??inaccuracy 00:25:02 inaccuracy[1/1]: You might be looking for {amulet of inaccuracy} or {bolt of inaccuracy}, refine your search! 00:25:08 whoops 00:25:12 haha 00:25:23 That's the most inaccurate spelling of inaccuracy I've ever seen SamB. 00:25:31 really? 00:25:33 I could do worse. 00:25:35 but I won't 00:25:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:50 I don't generally see people spell 'inaccuracy' 00:25:55 ??bolt of inaccuracy 00:25:56 bolt of inaccuracy[1/1]: Deals good damage at Evocations level 0 - 27. You can line up several nasty monsters and blast them down all at once (irresistable damage!). Especially good with a corona-type effect like Sunlight or TSO halo to make it more accurate. 00:26:03 I always use two n's >.> 00:26:17 inakurasyy 00:26:57 so is it bad to wield a cursed rod of innacuracy, compared to other rods? 00:27:08 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 00:27:22 inaccuracy is definitely bad against a lot of things 00:27:24 Well, any cursed rod is kind of bad since you get a few shots and then it does nothing 00:27:31 since it's.... inaccurate 00:27:46 okay so I can keep this commit message then 00:28:23 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:30:57 if you try to hit soemthing with the rod of inaccuracy you should get -1400 to hit 00:31:07 -!- syraine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:31:37 is that bashing or bolts? 00:31:41 bashing i mean 00:32:13 ??rod 00:32:14 rod[1/4]: Contains a few spells. Wield and Evoke to cast them. Uses an internal mana pool which recharges gradually over time, even if not wielded. A scroll of recharging increases a rod's limit and enchantment by 1d2 (up to a max of 17 and +9 respectively), and (always) recharges its mp to full. See {rods} for a list of types. 00:32:48 ??rod[2] 00:32:48 rod[2/4]: Evoking rods causes hunger in the same way casting spells does; see {spell hunger} for specific numbers. 00:32:55 ??rod[3] 00:32:55 rod[3/4]: Evocations skill and rod enchantment increases its recharge rate. A +0 rod with no skill gets 1 mana per 25 typical turns. Taking that same rod to +4 will double the recharge rate, 8 triple. Having 7 evocations skill will double the recharge rate. Having 14 evocations will triple the recharge rate. 00:33:01 ??rod[4] 00:33:01 rod[4/4]: So, to sum up, just increasing the rod enchant to +9 can cut the time from 25 turns to 7.69. Increasing your skill from 0 to 27 can cut the time to 6.25 turns. Having the rod and skill at max pretty guarantee a small bit over one point of magic every two turns. 00:34:05 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-359-gf96c251: Don't auto-ID rods on pickup since they might be cursed. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f96c25173946 00:34:38 Especially likely? Really? Why? 00:35:02 well, 2/3 of the cursed rods in my sample were 00:35:16 Sounds odd 00:35:57 at one point it did feel to me like rods were that way 00:36:08 what's really odd is how few of them are cursed 00:36:17 not sure I've had a cursed rod for a while though, perhaps it's streaky like that 00:36:28 okay, now it's only 1/2 -- I found another cursed one 00:36:48 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:37:14 SwissStopwatch: a pretty small fraction are cursed 00:37:20 I didn't count 00:38:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:38:33 maybe like 1 in 20? 00:42:15 on second thought I wouldn't really have any reason to believe that they would be especially likely to be inacc 00:42:23 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:42:28 since I don't remember a large pile of cursed inaccs or anything 00:42:46 you'd need a really big pile of rods to get a large pile of cursed ones 00:43:01 well yes 00:43:24 I think you'd have some remove curse by that point ;-P 00:43:38 also yes! 00:44:37 Curse and rods is mostly relevant in Tomb or Hell maybe 00:44:52 Since Tomb at least has enough curses to make swapping stuff all the time kind of annoying 00:44:59 well yeah 00:45:12 at least, it sounds like there would be a lot of mummies in a tomb 00:45:26 if it's anything like an ossuary 00:45:38 Moreso :P 00:45:46 well yeah, being a whole branch 00:46:04 Well, it's a lot more mummy-heavy than Ossuaries are, anyway 00:46:10 In that they are 99% of the stuff in there 00:49:11 * SamB doesn't actually remember finding non-mummies in ossuaries 00:49:23 possibly they were really easy to kill 00:49:30 maybe some ossuaries are like that 00:50:06 anyway tomb is a good place to drop items you aren't going to be actually equipping just because of the number of death curses you get 00:50:10 my memory is also pretty spotty 00:50:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:50:54 does lamia use weapons? 00:50:56 and it's probably a sort of bad place to swap rods around because of that, you should just assume every item you bring in there will be cursed if you don't worship a god that absorbs them 00:51:01 ontoclasm: Yes 00:51:03 so what does a rod hit like? 00:51:08 SamB: A club 00:51:11 ie: terrible 00:51:23 why doesn't learndb mention this? 00:51:39 SwissStopwatch: I have done a rod-heavy tomb or two before (the mummy berserker I remember best) 00:51:45 Back when rod adjuration was mass abjuration 00:52:12 you misspelled abjuration 00:52:19 Only once! 00:52:31 I was thinking "at least once" 00:58:18 One thing that bothers me about rods, is that the cloud spells are really good even at low power, but damage spells are almost useless. 00:58:33 Might be improved if the power function took number of schools into account. 00:59:11 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:04 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:12 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:04:41 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:08:15 Well, damage spells that are not rod-specific are pretty lousy at any power 01:08:23 Since rod power scales so much more poorly than spellpower 01:09:02 Inacc and thunderbolt are better since they aren't balanced for some other source with twice or more power 01:09:31 Hmmm... actually, seems you can raise rod power higher than I remember =/ 01:09:38 I thought it capped at like 54 or something 01:10:07 But it's 86 01:10:14 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/lamia.png 01:10:31 i'm paying back my balance for margery 01:11:54 so that was part of your secret plan to get a bikini snake woman in the game? 01:12:01 yep 01:12:12 also it is a sari get it right dude 01:12:32 well come on you only have so many pixels to work with there 01:13:00 to be honest I actually had to squint a bit to be certain that wasn't just shiny gold armour 01:13:14 xD 01:13:22 (not actually joking!) 01:13:25 it's... gold bits that might be clothes 01:13:28 (as funny as that sounds) 01:13:44 but yeah it doesn't.... contrast that much with the flesh maybe? idk 01:13:53 yeah, i might give her darker skin 01:13:58 Nice tail decorations 01:14:07 only black unique is a snake #racism 01:14:09 But yes, it blends a fair bit with the flesh 01:14:32 grinder!! 01:14:32 Well, presumably the purple stuff is also flesh. Not that bit :P 01:15:08 I guess that is snakeskin versus notsnakeskin 01:15:46 Well, yes 01:15:55 -!- dcssrubot533 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:23 I don't know if it would need to be that much darker but I guess the only way to find out is try different shades, see how it looks 01:18:45 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:20:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:21:46 -!- Gibbs has quit [] 01:22:29 -!- Luterac has quit [Client Quit] 01:25:25 -!- spriseris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/lamia2.png 01:25:44 now %300 less caucasian 01:26:24 and it also doesn't look like you're paying back the Margery balance on that one, so apparently I wasn't seeing it quite right 01:26:57 hah 01:27:14 needs more snakeskin eh heh heh 01:27:21 haha 01:27:30 -!- soundlst is now known as Soundlust 01:27:47 Hmmm... she actually feels a little TOO dark to me 01:28:01 mm, I could see that 01:28:35 Also, I do like the red eyes more than the blue ones, but I guess they didn't show up so well there? 01:28:39 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:42 I think it's better than the first one because there's actual contrast though so I can make it out a bit better 01:28:59 Yes. I am saying something more inbetween, perhaps 01:29:02 yeah, red just sort of vanishes 01:29:21 okay, try reloading 01:29:44 redeyes show up pretty well on that one 01:30:00 Haha, she actually doesn't really like noticably lighter to me for some reason 01:30:09 xD 01:30:16 she definitely is though 01:30:19 that's %50 of the way between the previous two 01:30:24 Really? Wow 01:31:25 Like, I would say she looks more African than India in coloration. Not that the other naga look Indian in the slightest, of course :P 01:31:35 I would say this one looks indian 01:31:57 albeit that is a pretty wide range of skintones (not that african isn't) 01:32:40 Yes, it's both subjective and also only a few pixels :P 01:32:47 indeed. 01:32:54 probably the question is whether she should be colored differently than the other naga 01:32:59 which I don't really have an answer to 01:33:34 clearly i should just make all the naga indian-looking 01:34:25 naga are from india originally anyway 01:35:36 Yes 01:35:43 indeed. 01:39:20 * SamB wonders why the CSZO rebuild trigger page lists a recent build as having a save version of 34.0, when we've clearly had a number of minor bumps ... 01:39:24 anyway 01:39:37 time for cleep (actually time for sleep was like 3 hours ago) 01:39:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:48:05 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:57:38 <|amethyst> SamB: apparently the script just sets the minor version to zero no matter what 01:57:48 <|amethyst> SamB: no clue why... 01:59:40 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:04 <|amethyst> SamB: well, other than that it's harder to extract the minor version by running a script on tag-version.h 02:00:49 <|amethyst> SamB: well, not hard, just harder than extracting the major version 02:05:04 WebTiles: Scrolling with down arrow doesn't work in manual if at the start by Medar 02:06:29 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:55 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:11:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:21:20 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:24:02 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 02:28:03 -!- Pthing has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:45 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:18 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:33:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:35:24 Show item stack marker and autopickup graphic in more cases by Medar 02:46:00 -!- dcssrubot405 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:08 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:31 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:59:22 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:12:08 check, |amethyst ;) 03:12:09 Napkin: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 03:14:38 |amethyst: 'The attacker is brute force attacking the WordPress administrative portals, using the username "admin" and trying thousands of passwords.' 03:14:59 first thing i did when installing was deleting that account 03:15:08 -!- eb has quit [] 03:15:31 thanks for the warning, though! 03:15:38 Well, couldn't they still DoS a bit from trying an invalid username? 03:15:42 If they were spamming it 03:16:52 i think they are rather targetting service providers 03:16:54 -!- Pthingg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:09 "CloudFlare has announced that they're giving all users (free and paid) protection from said attacks with their services." blabla 03:17:36 Ah 03:18:49 the log is quiet, too *phew* 03:19:19 well, it's actually never quiet ;) but no attack 03:22:11 that message rather sounds like another "the whole internet was affected!" 03:23:29 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:03 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:37 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:49:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:49:38 -!- Faygzee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:53:22 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:56:08 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57:39 -!- Sojiro888 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:57:39 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:58:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:00:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:01:18 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:01:28 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 04:03:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16:05 -!- dcssrubot693 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:12 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:21:41 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:24:14 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:43 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:32 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:12:48 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:15:56 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:35:10 -!- santiago has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:38:13 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:38:30 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:11 -!- dcssrubot932 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:57 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:36 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 05:52:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-360-g6b4d023: Purge the remaining code for Resurrect. 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 27-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b4d02302045 05:52:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-361-ge425237: Purge casting messages for Summon Holies. 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4252377cb5e 05:52:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-362-g296dda2: Fix jumping spiders leaping when blinked. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=296dda2f510c 06:06:36 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:11:11 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:52 -!- rabbashanks has quit [Client Quit] 06:21:39 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:30:06 -!- dcssrubot566 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:31:17 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:33:12 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:36:31 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:51 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:47:13 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:13:05 -!- dcssrubot381 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:13:23 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:31:06 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:06 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:35:52 !tell ontoclasm new lamia looks fantastic! 07:35:52 mumra: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 07:36:54 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 07:39:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:38 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46:51 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:59 -!- Escalator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:27 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:32:38 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:41:08 -!- Archibald has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 08:41:23 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:42:44 <|amethyst> Napkin: oh, I missed the mention of CloudFlare 08:42:53 <|amethyst> Napkin: yeah, sounds like another of their marketing things now 08:43:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: My thought had been that might have been related to the load, not necessarily security 08:52:28 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:43 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:01:24 -!- Zermako has quit [] 09:02:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:18 -!- dcssrubot624 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:05 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:04:01 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:09 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 09:16:09 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:53 -!- Nexos__ has quit [Client Quit] 09:19:05 -!- Nexos_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:19:14 -!- Nexos has quit [Client Quit] 09:20:01 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:22:54 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:01 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:27:15 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 09:34:16 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:37:59 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:45:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:15 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:01:23 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:33 -!- Escalator_ is now known as Escalator 10:02:29 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:09:00 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:10:23 -!- eith has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:25:21 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:59 -!- ryansee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32:23 -!- dcssrubot825 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:28 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:31 I have a query! 10:35:49 /query someone then. <______< 10:36:06 * geekosaur turns it into a managehook >.> 10:37:03 Hmm 10:37:12 How do I have my rc trigger continuously 10:38:12 That is my query! 10:44:20 <|amethyst> syraine: you can't do that exactly, but you can define a function "ready" and call crawl.setopt("...") from there 10:44:39 <|amethyst> ready is called every player turn, just before you act 10:45:04 <|amethyst> s/can/should be able to/ # haven't tried it myself 10:45:11 Would I have to call this function every time I wanted to set an option 10:45:29 it gets called by Crawl itself 10:45:29 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:45:38 Oh, good 10:46:44 Oh, I see 10:47:02 <|amethyst> I like how crawl.setopt ends up calling the C++ function read_options, while crawl.read_options calls Options.include 10:47:27 Crawl.setopt() requires an option to read, which is put in quotes 10:47:44 So it would involve placing every reactive line in the rc into quotes 10:47:49 Hm 10:49:05 Well, um 10:49:11 <|amethyst> syraine: actually 10:49:14 I am trying to take a note whenever the player goes berserk 10:49:17 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 10:49:44 Which uses you.berserk() and then crawl.take_note() 10:49:54 For example. 10:50:00 note_messages 10:50:17 Mmkay 10:50:33 Well, this actually takes a note whenever the player is berserk on startup 10:50:50 <|amethyst> syraine: oh, it's lua code, not options 10:50:59 Yeah 10:51:03 <|amethyst> syraine: so that's easier... you can just put your lua calls in ready 10:51:08 <|amethyst> no quotes needed 10:51:22 Could you give me an example 10:51:26 -awkwardly- 10:51:31 <|amethyst> function ready() 10:51:37 <|amethyst> if you.berserk() 10:51:46 <|amethyst> crawl.take_note("blah") 10:51:52 <|amethyst> end 10:51:53 <|amethyst> end 10:51:55 Woo 10:51:57 <|amethyst> that's not quite right 10:52:02 <|amethyst> because it will make a note every turn 10:52:07 Hehe 10:52:17 <|amethyst> you'll probably want to make a global variable to track whether you were berserked last turn 10:52:30 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:52:45 Yeah 10:53:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:53:36 <|amethyst> if you.berserk() and not wasberserk wasberserk = true take_note() elseif not you.berserk() wasberserk = false 10:53:52 What's wrong with just note_messages? 10:54:25 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:25 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Changing host] 10:54:25 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:07 <|amethyst> syraine: (it would also still have problems on save load; you'd probably want to set wasberserk = you.berserk() then, in your rc outside the ready function 10:55:20 Mm 10:55:33 <|amethyst> syraine: as has been pointed out, note_messages might work a little better for this particular case 10:56:22 I put in an MPR just to see how it went and it actually not only triggered every turn, it triggered multiple times on the same turn - so yeah, I suppose something else will be used 10:56:44 <|amethyst> syraine: oh, maybe ready() is every time the player is prompted 10:56:54 Yep 10:57:02 No target in view! You are consumed by unyielding fury. _No target in view! You are consumed by unyielding fury. _No target in view! You are consumed by unyielding fury. _No target in view! You are consumed by unyielding fury. 10:57:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:57:40 <|amethyst> syraine: oh, right... not every prompt, but every time through the main loop even if last turn was aborted 10:59:50 On the plus side, I can now make elemental colours 11:00:05 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:24 <|amethyst> hehe 11:01:36 <|amethyst> syraine: also elemental glyphs! 11:02:06 Yes ~ 11:02:10 <|amethyst> syraine: change the orb glyph between 0 and o on each update :) 11:02:15 Hehe 11:02:46 Currently I have a set of glyphs lined up for different classes and I am using colours to show race 11:02:53 I could probably use colours for gods instead 11:03:49 <|amethyst> syraine: too bad combinig characters don't (AFAIK) work 11:03:54 <|amethyst> s/nig/ning/ 11:03:55 -!- rabbashanks has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:04:14 I rather want to have different highlight colours 11:04:46 As in, purple on green or whatever 11:04:58 Since the central glyph is always black 11:05:36 Or if use_fake_player_cursor is off, the highlight is green 11:07:07 -!- rabbashanks has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:32 * Grunt grumbles as he realises he can't update monster glyphs in real time. 11:08:23 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:27 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:51 morning 11:09:41 bh coalesces out of seething chaos. 11:10:30 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:33 Grunt: pretty soon I'll start assuming that you're a bot. 11:10:40 ??grunt[4 11:10:41 grunt[4/6]: Is not Gretell, despite what many zealous tabbers seem to think. 11:10:58 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:11:07 -!- rabbashanks has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:40 ??bh 11:13:40 blade hands[1/3]: A potent level 5 transmutation spell that grants a large increase to unarmed damage but impedes spellcasting while active. Base damage is 8 + str/3 + dex/3 + UC. Also adds +6 to offhand punch damage. Does not stack with claws. 11:13:45 ??bh[2] 11:13:45 blade hands[2/3]: You could be casting Blade Hands instead of reading this entry. Get to it. 11:13:52 guess I'm cool. 11:14:28 blade hand bh! 11:14:34 I'm impresed you can type so well :b 11:16:05 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:16:22 He uses the other tentacles 11:20:23 -!- rabbashanks has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:33 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:33 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:33 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:33 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:33 -!- Isaiah_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:33 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:58 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:33 -!- omniguy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:33 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:24:13 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:32 i feel like maybe instead of blade tentacles we should've gone with 'Your tentacles change into hands, then change into blades!' 11:26:43 fr: octopodes deal four times the damage with blade tentacles because they have four times the appendages to work with. 11:27:17 Grunt: but they need to use some limbs to balance 11:28:47 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:46 -!- rabbashanks has quit [Client Quit] 11:33:20 <|amethyst> Grunt: FR: humanoids also get blade feet and can't walk very well 11:33:35 |amethyst: what happens with nagas then? :b 11:33:45 <|amethyst> Grunt: they get just the hands 11:33:53 fr: blade tail!!! 11:34:06 <|amethyst> blade head 11:34:20 You head turns into a razor-sharp blade. You faint for lack of intelligence. 11:34:24 <|amethyst> -10 to intelligence, but you get a slicing retaliatory attack 11:34:40 -!- Taynav has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:35:16 <|amethyst> blade body... mimic Cerebov's sword and have him carry you right into the rune vault 11:36:01 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:45 <|amethyst> The orc warlord hits the hydra with you! The orc warlord lops one of the hydra's heads off! 11:36:57 The hydra grows two more heads! 11:37:00 <|amethyst> fortunately you remembered to cast ring of flames first, so you're a flaming weapon 11:37:31 <|amethyst> freezing is much easier: you just need ozocubu's armour for that 11:37:52 Plane Shift for distortion? 11:38:00 Or perhaps that needs Disjunction :b 11:38:52 -!- DrPraetor|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:40:33 -!- rzimodnar has quit [Ping timeout: 243 seconds] 11:41:47 <|amethyst> Death's Door turns you into an artefact. Permanently. 11:41:48 -!- Arivia_ is now known as Ariiva 11:41:51 -!- Ariiva is now known as Arivia 11:42:09 Necromutation -> draining? 11:42:17 <|amethyst> pain maybe 11:43:06 Spider Form -> venom! 11:43:13 <|amethyst> and statue form brings back the Maxwell's Silver Hammer effect 11:43:22 <|amethyst> blade hands turns you into a triple blade 11:43:48 <|amethyst> and beastly appendage is just gross 11:45:27 the idea of jellyform makes me think we need a jelly sword unrand 11:45:48 Does it slimify on 1/10th of hits or something? 11:45:59 Acid damage the rest of the time? 11:46:01 -!- smeea has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:46:10 something like that would be cool, yes 11:46:15 and it should jiyva mutate you of course 11:46:26 also it needs to be described as 'floppy' 11:46:58 oh hey: maybe it could slimify stuff when it dies, instead of killing it 11:47:16 (note that the jellies are still hostile if you're not a Jiyva follower!) 11:54:48 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:01:22 Wielded shield by caleb 12:02:29 -!- dcssrubot21 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:39 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-13-g9771293 12:05:58 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:12:07 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-362-g296dda2 (34) 12:12:15 personally i think we should prevent the player wielding non-weapons altogether. there's no actual gameplay reason for it anymore since ammo enchantment got removed. 12:12:24 and it is rather easy to do by accident 12:12:32 mumra: uh, lots of spells rely on wielding non-weapons 12:12:43 sublimation of blood, simulacrum, sticks to snakes, etc 12:12:46 elliptic: of course, allow wielding chunks and sticks 12:12:50 and stones 12:13:03 this doesn't sound like "prevent the player wielding non-weapons altogether" 12:13:09 but what's the point of being able to wield a shield or a load of bread? other than gaming mara 12:13:35 elliptic: forgive my inaccuracy ;) let me rephrase that to "prevent the player wielding silly things that there's no point wielding" 12:13:37 looking cool in the morgue file ;) 12:13:51 hehe i suppose 12:14:09 anyway i would count a chunk or a stick as a weapon if you have simulacra 12:14:10 facing mara 12:14:11 I do think it is a bit strange that some non-weapons can't be wielded because of size 12:14:12 :P 12:14:30 when this has no gameplay relevance 12:14:41 altough I'm not sure how the illusion melee damage is actually affected 12:14:41 Medar: exactly, that's kind of a spoilery thing anyway 12:14:52 the mara thing is also not the most solid of plans anyway 12:14:55 it's pretty bad mara strategy yes 12:15:19 like I did it once and then I realized the next time I saw mara that instead of him shooting me with b.fire while I wait for him to clone 12:15:21 oh right, you mentioned it earlier already 12:15:26 I should just hit him and run... 12:15:49 that's probably a good argument for removing that wield ability even, but eh 12:16:51 mumra: anyway if we are still going to allow wielding chunks, I don't see too much reason to forbid wielding a meat ration 12:17:03 mumra: maybe we could forbid wielding armour, though 12:17:14 Anyway, that bug should be reopened. The menus are buggy. 12:17:19 isn't the only problem here that they don't know about the w command 12:17:23 or jewellery 12:17:24 apart from the minor bug 12:17:35 elliptic: it is really easy to hit w instead of W, i've done it by accident quite often 12:17:42 Yeah, not allowing to wield items that can be worn in other slots would be good. 12:17:47 mumra: sure, so have I 12:17:49 So equipped is always the same thing 12:17:55 Medar: right 12:18:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:19:25 in terms of interface there is very little reason to even have a different key for each slot. the only things that actually require a different key sometimes are quivering and wielding i think? 12:19:38 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:49 I just found a totally isolated two-square section in/near a swamp end vault 12:19:52 quivering shields is important functionality 12:19:58 %dump 12:19:58 No where information for G-Flex. 12:20:01 %dump swinepaste 12:20:02 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/swinepaste/swinepaste.txt 12:20:08 mumra: well, different equipment slots behave differently 12:20:57 quiver for sure if you count that (it isn't really an equipment slot at all), but also there is stuff like armour changes being multiturn and swapping to bare hands being a thing 12:21:36 elliptic: yeah but the actions of equip or remove are conceptually the same whatever the slot (i guess what i'm suggesting would be a new key that's a universal equip/remove, but i realise we are very short on spare keys for this) 12:22:13 mumra: there's already an option that makes some of the keys interchangeable for this 12:22:14 It's nice to only see the relevant items too. 12:22:23 elliptic: oh, i totally didn't realise that 12:22:27 Medar: right, that's why I don't use the option 12:22:30 but some people like it 12:22:40 ok well it makes sense if there's an option 12:22:57 Lots of new players use the inventory for everything. Which is really ackward. 12:23:13 But it's quite hard to discover the separate keys, and to remember them when you are starting. 12:23:22 well there's no option for universal equip, just for merging equip and remove on the existing slots 12:23:39 G-Flex: hmm, i thought i fixed that, but then i went and changed something with the zone filler so i might have broken swamp 12:23:41 imo remove the functionality of using items from i, bug fixed 12:23:50 MarvinPA: oh, I thought it did merge rings and armour 12:23:51 G-Flex: what is the glyph that's a really small circle? 12:24:03 no, just lets you remove items with W or P 12:24:07 how strange 12:24:08 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:24:24 with jewellery you might have to pick < or > at least 12:24:27 so the UI is quite different 12:24:47 btw {god gift} now doesn't show by default on unidentified items, I thought consensus was to keep that? 12:25:10 it doesn't show on unided items? that sounds like a bug yes 12:25:20 show_god_gift defaults to unident 12:25:21 rather than yes 12:25:41 doesn't that mean it does show on unided items? 12:25:48 and just not on identified items? 12:25:53 (e6b09b3) 12:25:59 elliptic: err, right 12:26:02 s/un// in my message 12:26:03 %git e6b09b3 12:26:04 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-3116-ge6b09b3: A new option, show_god_gift = yes|unindent|no. 10(2 weeks ago, 5 files, 25+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6b09b37ec31 12:26:06 okay then that sounds okay 12:26:28 I think it means there's no way to search for (identified) god gifts by default, though I might be wrong 12:30:10 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:49 -!- santiago has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:30 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:03 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:39:11 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:40:21 http://pastebin.ca/2358348 12:40:42 Patch to annotate it in stash.lua, so searching works with any setting 12:41:16 -!- Escalator has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130410065939]] 12:41:54 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 12:45:17 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:35 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:04 -!- Archibald has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 12:53:39 -!- keksz has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 12:57:16 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:00:18 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:33 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13:03 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:12 03elliptic 07* 0.13-a0-363-g5d3cb56: Apply attack delay and hunger for failed reaching attacks (#6901). 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d3cb568636b 13:17:12 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 13:17:32 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:53 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:18:16 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:18:26 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:33 !tell kilobyte Patch to allow searching for god gifts without show_god_gift=yes: http://pastebin.ca/2358348 13:18:33 Medar: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 13:21:14 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 13:25:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:28:28 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:00 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:36:32 mudo (L27 VpAE) ASSERT(zombie_class_size(cs) == Z_NOZOMBIE || zombie_class_size(cs) == mons_zombie_size(base)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 2053 failed. (Zig:8) 13:40:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:26 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:06 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Quit: bitsailor_] 13:46:12 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:32 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:49:10 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49:19 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:56:11 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:08 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:33 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:33 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:55 -!- Boyo_ is now known as Boyo 13:57:58 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:58:23 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:28 (Regarding that Mantis issue) I really wouldn't like to lose the ability to ctrl+attack when confused near deep water. Not being able to safely move is already plenty penalizing without being unable to at least TRY to attack, I think 14:00:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:00:50 Is the problem just that a lot of people don't even realize that ctrl+direction exists? 14:01:57 I knew it existed, didn't realise it would stop moving while confused 14:01:59 DracoOmega: I think so... I don't know a good way of letting people know about it though 14:02:14