00:00:05 !lm yunor crash -log 00:00:06 21. Yunor, XL27 HOPr, T:77268 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Yunor/crash-Yunor-20130406-234715.txt 00:00:20 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-85-gbaf1bbc 00:00:28 !lm yunor crash -log 00:00:30 21. Yunor, XL27 HOPr, T:77268 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Yunor/crash-Yunor-20130406-234715.txt 00:00:36 !lm yunor crash sprint -log 00:00:37 1. Yunor, XL13 HOFi, T:517 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Yunor/crash-Yunor-20130411-045943.txt 00:00:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:00:57 -!- yalue has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:01:32 Yunor the Peltast (L13 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 592 failed on turn 571. (D) 00:02:55 -!- jdpage has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:03:38 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Quit: bitsailor_] 00:05:19 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:25 Hmmm... maybe I should just stash what I was working on and check this out and compile it, instead of just staring at the diff 00:07:39 heh. 00:07:48 I'm fiddling with it and seeing bugs like mad. 00:07:51 Though I think I understand it fairly well now 00:07:54 Yes, there are many bugs 00:07:59 No offense intended :P 00:08:02 I think it might be a better use of our time it I discard it and rewrite it 00:08:02 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:08:09 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:13 Well, most of the bugs look easily fixed 00:08:37 If I got offended by my own buggy code, I'd be a ditch digger :) 00:08:54 Like, a lot of them are simple logic fixes, correctable with a few characters 00:08:54 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:20 Yunor the Peltast (L14 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2570 failed on turn 1124. (D) 00:09:21 will do, kilobyte 00:09:58 Yunor the Peltast (L13 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 592 failed on turn 585. (D) 00:09:58 DracoOmega: do you think there would be any long term benefit to converting gods into objects? 00:10:47 I am inclined to think no, unless you have some really specific suggestion about what to do about this 00:11:32 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:46 specifically I think it would make random gods possible. 00:12:03 Well, I imagine random gods are quite possible without this 00:12:34 wait, besides Xom? 00:12:49 Gods that are THEMSELVES random, not gods that act randomly 00:13:05 randart gods? 00:13:06 <|amethyst> procedural religion 00:13:09 More or less, yes 00:13:23 dpeg's been wanting to get this implemented for a long time now 00:13:35 And there have been various parts of proposals, and even some actual code written at one point, I believe 00:14:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 00:14:15 <|amethyst> SamB: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:random_god 00:14:16 Chokawaru 00:14:48 * SamB has vague recollections of having seen that at some point .... 00:14:59 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 00:19:58 Yunor the Peltast (L15 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 592 failed on turn 915. (D) 00:20:21 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: SLEEEEEEEEEEEEP] 00:22:13 Hmmm... maybe this is more buggy than it looked 00:22:40 Yunor the Peltast (L15 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2570 failed on turn 917. (D) 00:23:47 DracoOmega: how about I just redo it, 'eh? 00:23:57 no sense in wasting people's time 00:24:29 Perhaps. I abandoned and rejoined and yet am still in penance. And every time I gain exp, it says that "Okawaru seems mollified" even though he isn't 00:24:32 And it even makes milestones! 00:25:21 that's awesome... ly bad 00:25:30 let's merge it ;) 00:25:36 Haha. "You kill the titan! Okawaru appreciates your kill. Okawaru seems mollified. x342" 00:26:19 My log has pages of 'Was forgiven by Okawaru' in a row now :P 00:27:17 that's so good. 00:27:45 So perhaps I should stop and wait for you to have another version, then? :P 00:28:19 -!- dcssrubot818 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:28:40 works for me. I'll see if anything can be salvages 00:28:42 salvaged 00:29:15 will anyone be unhappy if I just hard reset the branch? 00:29:42 I very much suspect not :P 00:30:44 smashed. 00:34:32 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:13 -!- SchwaWarrior has quit [Quit: eh] 00:36:16 Can use CTRL to attack without danger when confused by infiniplex 00:37:04 infiniplex: That is definitely not a bug 00:37:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:37:35 You still attack in random directions 00:37:49 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:37:58 There is no danger of falling in water, which normally gives you a warning. 00:38:03 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 00:38:12 Yes, which makes it a good thing to do there, sure 00:38:46 you can still attack things that you shouldn't, though ... 00:39:10 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:39:14 I also thought that smart monsters avoid attacking next to deep water while confused. Does this mean the player has a power they don't? 00:40:03 Well, the player has lots of tactical powers monsters don't, though I am uncertain about this case 00:40:29 Sigmund doesn't ask questions on ##crawl 00:41:14 I think there's no need for player-monster equality in this case 00:41:28 it would open up a whole can of worms to let monsters ctrl-attack 00:41:51 like, should they do it when they are confused and not next to water? how much intelligence do they need? 00:41:52 that's a lot of worms 00:42:08 what about if the player is invisible? 00:42:13 !fight can of worms v sigmund 00:42:47 Is there any case where a ctrl-attack is worse than a plain attack? 00:43:13 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:15 While confused or otherwise? 00:43:16 If not, this is arguable a mean interface thing. 00:43:26 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:26 Otherwise. 00:43:34 chasing something invisible down a 1-square corridor/ 00:43:51 Also trampling, I assume? 00:44:04 Do you trample on ctrl+attacks, actually? 00:44:09 I don't think I have ever tried 00:44:13 DracoOmega: you do 00:44:21 because otherwise it would be an interface hassle 00:44:25 That is true 00:44:28 basically making trample an active ability 00:44:32 of the sort we don't want 00:44:47 Well, trampling is usually a downside to dragon form rather than an upside, anyway 00:44:52 yes 00:45:14 so you'd want to ctrl-attack most of the time, which would be bad 00:45:17 Yeah 00:45:19 Kind of funny how the exact same thing is clearly an upside in a monster's hands 00:45:57 Monsters can't do tactics, so chaos benefits them 00:46:16 it's more a matter of monsters coming in groups 00:46:23 and players usually not 00:46:23 Well, also because the player has possibly chosen its position carefully 00:46:28 And so being forced out of it is more likely to be bad 00:46:37 if it is 1 vs 1 fight, trample doesn't really do anything 00:46:38 elliptic: "usually"? 00:46:49 SamB: players usually don't come in groups, yes 00:46:53 oh, HOPr does have a group with a plaeyer in it 00:47:03 but not a group of players 00:47:15 Player + enslaved player ghost? 00:47:24 elliptic: I meant "is there some time when players *do* come in groups?" 00:47:37 I do think that summons count for this purpose :P 00:47:40 I was thinking of perma-allies or summons, yes 00:47:53 huh. we have some nome code floating around 00:47:54 just like I didn't mean a group of the same monster necessarily 00:48:17 just that there are often multiple monsters on the screen 00:48:25 yes, I know 00:48:39 Also monsters can't have that experience of being trampled off the stairs 00:58:18 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58:40 -!- MorganL has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 01:01:16 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:41 gnome (12g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 130 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 01:03:41 %??gnome 01:03:45 ??gnome 01:03:45 gnome[1/1]: Woohoo, earth aptitude of 60, but spellcasting of 156. Least played and won race as of 0.4.5. They were cut and replaced by Deep Dwarves. 01:05:09 a vaul full of extinct monsters is funny. 01:05:12 vault 01:08:30 -!- shachaf_ has quit [Changing host] 01:08:38 -!- shachaf has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:08:42 -!- shachaf_ is now known as shachaf 01:10:12 -!- faz has quit [] 01:11:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:13 -!- soundlst has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:15:03 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:21:22 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-326-ged7014d: Remove unused nome variable. 10(9 minutes ago, 4 files, 5+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed7014d66d1e 01:21:24 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21:24 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:22:35 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:35 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 01:22:36 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 01:26:25 -!- reu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:27:15 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:10 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:32:51 -!- rzimodnar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:33:03 -!- randomizr is now known as rzimodnar 01:34:30 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:24 -!- Twinge_ is now known as Twinge 01:42:34 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 01:43:02 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 01:46:54 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:12 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:09 disc of storms works through walls? by rchandra 01:55:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:08:06 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:19 Door mimic in double-door position leaves graphical glitch by MirrMurr 02:08:46 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:08 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:41 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:17:16 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 02:17:19 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 02:17:43 -!- dcssrubot323 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:42 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:28 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:29 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:24:46 -!- Tinen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:26:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:28:21 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:44 -!- infiniplex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:21 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:52:00 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 03:01:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:33 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:36 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:14:53 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16:02 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:54 -!- Palyth has quit [] 03:20:11 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:21:19 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:21:31 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:38 HELLO MY SUBJECTS. 03:22:41 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 03:23:17 -!- Borek is now known as Mandevil 03:24:31 -!- G-Flex has quit [] 03:25:54 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:19 it's the due 03:47:32 ikr 03:47:48 -!- dcssrubot982 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:43 not that I really do much anyway. 03:57:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 03:58:37 -!- due has left ##crawl-dev 04:07:57 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:09:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:12:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:03 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:24:06 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:35 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:14 !tell bh that nome variable doesn't refer to old gnomes, it's for a proposed (but apparently moribund) new race. I added that field as the branch's author had trouble dealing with constant conflicts. Not that big an issue with the race not being developed, though. 04:29:15 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:31:16 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:16 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:32:26 !tell bh for the note: they would need the interface to cope with thin walls being passable (either autoexplore visiting them or being able to see through thin walls), and there's a balance problem with their biggest advantage appearing and disappearing at the map generator's whim 04:32:27 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:34:06 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:45:29 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:52:41 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:02 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:54:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:21 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:26 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:57 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:04:59 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08:47 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:48 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:17:54 -!- dcssrubot707 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:03 -!- sacje has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:30 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 05:28:22 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:59 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:34 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:28 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:41 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:31 nomes would be really cool to have, but i worry we have too many good earth races already 05:49:28 the former issue seems relatively easy to fix, the latter not really 05:49:31 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:09 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:58:14 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:58:59 kilobyte: 05:59:28 downloads in the last 365 days 05:59:41 armhf.deb 56 05:59:51 armel.deb 233 06:00:13 would you like more detailed stats? 06:00:16 cool, thanks. I thought it's the other way around. 06:00:26 not sure, is there anything interesting? 06:00:54 don't think. most where taken via apt, but some were downloaded via trunk page 06:01:22 they're not totally unused like I thought 06:01:27 i could split it up by month 06:01:35 not a lot of use, of course 06:01:41 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:01:44 still 06:01:49 it's quite cool to have :) 06:02:20 I got a decent arm box now, so I can set up proper nightlies 06:03:04 cool 06:03:37 enough diskspace on CDO 06:04:43 cross toolchains in wheezy suck big time. They required manual work but were relatively straightforward in squeeze (which has armel but not armhf), a nightmare in wheezy, are nearly automated now -- but serving packages for unstable libraries is rather pointless. 06:04:59 Napkin: well, the current setup doesn't keep old versions anyway 06:06:15 i see 06:06:24 i'm glad you are doing those builds 06:06:40 scares me to get such an environment on CDO ;) 06:09:05 -!- G-Flex is now known as virtualraubritte 06:09:28 -!- virtualraubritte is now known as G-Flex 06:10:59 -!- Wahaha is now known as Wahaha_ 06:11:39 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:18:28 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:18:56 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:20:53 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-327-g4bccfe2: Tailor layout_cathedral_of_symmetry for Zot:5 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 19+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bccfe27ffa9 06:22:06 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:22:31 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:01 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:28:08 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:35:40 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 06:39:39 -!- Nivim has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 06:43:26 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:43 ??git 06:43:44 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git or http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl 06:45:52 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:46:00 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:47:59 -!- dcssrubot150 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:18 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:49:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:58 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:57:11 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:01:18 -!- mattington has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:05:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:00 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:14:00 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:14:16 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:31 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:17:12 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:10 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:10 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:20:26 -!- Escalator has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 23.0a1/20130406030922]] 07:23:00 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:24:43 open layouts for the non-fixed part of Zot:5 feel so weird 07:25:36 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 07:25:50 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:32:40 03Cryp71c 07* 0.13-a0-328-g48ca705: Further fixes to 6874, permafying temporary DS mutations 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48ca705f6341 07:32:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:32:43 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:43 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:43 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:32:43 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33:57 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:57 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:33:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 07:34:13 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:35:49 kilobyte: although this does depend how you define "open" i guess 07:38:10 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:39:01 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39:53 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:40:13 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:46 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:49 these are a lot more open that layout_rooms, especially some cases of layout_layers 07:41:50 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:15 not saying this is necessarily bad, it just changes the strategy quite a bit 07:42:35 ie, no more safe luring of stuff 07:42:58 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:42:59 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:10 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:43:12 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 07:43:29 by the way, have you looked at layouts on the old "layouts" branch? 07:43:54 the one i just adjusted tends to have quite a lot of 2-wide corridors but it's problematic making it have narrower corridors because you get too many diagonals 07:45:05 kilobyte: i did investigate that at some point but i either i couldn't get it to build or run (can't remember now) so i didn't look any further; but i do want to dig them out at some point because a load of them sound pretty cool 07:47:02 i probably couldn't get it to build because i'm on windows and it expects certain packages 07:47:19 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:28 layout_circles: http://sprunge.us/XjUd, bh's layout_distorted_donut: http://sprunge.us/MKRY, layout_dragon: http://sprunge.us/ObVI 07:49:58 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:29 layout_deposit is similar to delve but far more noisy, heavily depends on seed it deposits on (a single cell seed sucks: http://sprunge.us/BIPL), I can't seem to find better seeds I had 07:51:43 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:52:58 kilobyte: layout_distorted_donut is identical to one variation of layout_cave_shapes in trunk 07:53:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:53:15 (which actually takes primitives and distorts them with perlin) 07:53:21 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:53:36 current version of a foresty layout is a failure: http://sprunge.us/RMXf 07:54:50 03Cryp71c 07* 0.13-a0-329-gdf8ad7c: Logic reordering for Mantis 6874 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df8ad7c84264 07:54:52 layout_nolithius: http://sprunge.us/cLMS 07:57:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:41 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:00:57 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:56 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:32 kilobyte: circles looks a bit like something i was messing around with for snake. layout_dragon, maybe an alternate spider? nolithius looks shoalsy. 08:06:45 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:10:11 I came up with a great (at least in theory) generator based on hex tiles, but it ends up with an algorithmic problem 08:11:03 basically, I'd need to solve a Wang tile problem with hexes 08:11:35 i think you were mentioning something about this yesterday re. grunt's vault? 08:12:16 kind of, this is a take on this idea 08:12:58 producing layouts the regular way on hexes is hard, and doesn't seem that different from what we have 08:13:47 my idea is to limit them to larger scale tiles only: ie, hexagonal vaults 08:13:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:06 if i'm understand right, a solution is probably just to iteratively try to place tiles until they fit, i.e. brute force rather than algorithmically 08:14:24 basically what the V layouts do 08:14:26 every hextile vault has six labels on its edges, the generator has to match the labels 08:15:05 kind of, but there's nothing but the vaults, and they can have shapes consisting of an arbitrary number of tiles 08:15:23 like, a piece of long corridor 08:15:57 this should be doable with V code or some derivative, but it's a slow method of course 08:16:01 the tiles are much, much smaller, too 08:16:53 concept examples I made up look a lot more like regular layouts than Vaults 08:16:53 oh you are talking about actually a hex-based grid instead of cartesian? 08:16:59 yes 08:17:38 hexcrawl 08:17:45 but how would this work in console? 08:17:45 hmm, actually, disallowing rotations would allow some more flexibility in making of individual tiles 08:18:05 -!- dcssrubot383 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:14 rendered upon a cartesian grid in the end, kind of like Grunt's vaults 08:19:06 my idea was to map every hex unit to 2x1 square ones, but I see that with no rotations this wouldn't be needed 08:21:58 it sounds interesting but i'm struggling to visualise it exactly or what kind of thing the results would look like 08:22:48 but i started off thinking you were just talking about piecing together hex-shaped vaults like grunt's 08:23:55 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:19 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:25:42 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:26:04 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:26:46 how can i tell git to delete all untracked files? git reset doesn't seem to support this 08:27:46 ah, git clean 08:28:12 depends if you want ignores, non-ignores, or both 08:28:35 i want it as though i just cloned 08:28:55 git clean -dfx 08:29:16 cool, thanks 08:29:19 note that it's a brutal thing to do, losing stuff without confirmation 08:31:12 it's a copy that i know 100% i haven't made any changes on 08:31:32 i'm still having difficulty getting the layout branch to compile even on debian 08:31:40 (using an s-z login |amethyst gave me) 08:32:33 oh right, i just realises it makes 'layout' not 'crawl' :P 08:32:35 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:33:34 it's a crudely gutted part of Crawl, with the grd and little else 08:33:43 useless for anything but C++-based layouts 08:34:02 but for those, far easier to work with than full Crawl 08:36:00 would be incredibly handy to have something similar for lua layouts; when i'm tweaking things i spent probably more than half my time launching crawl / loading a save 08:37:04 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:37:14 could be done, yeah 08:45:28 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:46:46 kilobyte, next year's april fools will be the announcement that crawl is now hexcrawl, methinks. 08:54:34 -!- Zermako has quit [] 08:56:04 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:57:16 announcements without any actual code suck, and with so many vaults we have conversion would be pretty impossible 08:58:33 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:59:08 mock up some fake screenshots then when you get in-game it's hexlos 08:59:20 it wouldn't fool ##crawl but still :P 09:01:50 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:10:13 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:18 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:12:25 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:28 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:36 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:16:43 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:01 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:01 -!- ktgrey has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:01 -!- imantor has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:01 -!- y2s82_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:02 -!- Zephryn has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:03 -!- Havvy has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:03 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:03 -!- unpaidbill has quit [*.net *.split] 09:17:03 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 09:19:00 -!- Havvy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:00 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:18 -!- Naruni has quit [Excess Flood] 09:21:32 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:36 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:39 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:24:42 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:31 !seen bh 09:25:31 I last saw bh at Thu Apr 11 07:08:06 2013 UTC (7h 17m 25s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Page closed'. 09:25:58 !tell bh ojectifying gods sound good to me and would indeed help implementing random gods. 09:25:58 galehar: OK, I'll let bh know. 09:26:26 !tell bh as long as the design is solid. Simple procedural > bad OO 09:26:26 galehar: OK, I'll let bh know. 09:27:59 Isn't there a working hexcrawl branch somewhere? 09:28:06 Its probably old 09:28:15 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Client Quit] 09:28:27 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:35:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:35:21 galehar: the alternate is monsterifying gods 09:35:55 which would solve some problems like who the killer is with wrath effects 09:36:55 someone (DracoOmega?) was trying to do a vehumet wrath thing where conjurations were randomly fired at you and this was a problem 09:37:12 you could also use this for a virtual hell intelligence that is firing the hell effects at you 09:38:58 -!- dcssrubot684 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41:24 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:41:37 quick question about this line from religion.cc: 09:41:55 you.religion = static_cast(which_god); 09:42:04 why is the static_cast needed? 09:42:12 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:42:31 its in 09:42:33 void god_pitch(god_type which_god) 09:42:56 and you.religion is also god_type 09:43:58 its line 3552 in trunk 09:44:41 so it SEEMS to me that its casting which_god from god_type to... god_type 09:44:46 %git cfd996c44 09:44:47 03greensnark * rcfd996c44458: Tweaked unique code to eliminate the confusing arithmetic on MONS enum values. Breaks save compatibility again. 10(6 years ago, 19 files, 126+ 66-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfd996c44458 09:44:49 ^git 20a660945 09:44:52 %git 20a660945 09:44:52 03greensnark * r20a6609453ee: Preliminary integration of Zooko's Xom patch (untested). 10(6 years ago, 50 files, 1704+ 847-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20a6609453ee 09:45:13 but im more of a java guy so i might just be missing something 09:45:31 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 09:45:38 The two fields were different types during that time span, and nobody bothered to remove the cast afterwards, it looks like. 09:46:04 ahok 09:46:17 TY 09:46:47 so i can safely just remove the casting. probably. 09:48:23 -!- hop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48:23 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48:23 -!- RichardSimmons has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:49:30 Grunt, didn't see your %git request, was wondering why chei was reporting stuff from 6 years ago. :P 09:50:03 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:50:03 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:50:48 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58:06 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:26 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 10:00:06 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:09 -!- Escalator_ is now known as Escalator 10:00:37 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:01:22 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:21 Heh. 10:10:02 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 10:14:25 chei is a klittle ... slow 10:14:41 Chei is taking it easy. 10:14:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:39 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:19:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:15 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:21:35 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:43 -!- hop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:33 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:33 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:25 -!- faz_ is now known as faz 10:40:24 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:41:45 FR: someone buff the loot on the island lair ending. 10:48:46 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 10:49:35 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:04 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:46 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:46 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:57:33 -!- Arivia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:57:33 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58:23 -!- hop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:36 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:16 frog pond? i think the loot on that was recently reduced 11:08:30 most lair endings dont have much loot 11:09:01 -!- dcssrubot182 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:07 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 11:13:35 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:57 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-330-g8625f97: Fix apparently misplaced #endif for no longer serializing earth_attunement. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8625f97769a2 11:21:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:28 -!- Sabaki_|2 is now known as Sabaki 11:29:04 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:34:12 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:54 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:25 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:08 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:59 alefury, the dire elephant and anaconda-room (maybe the same as "dire elephant" or perhaps there are two dire elephant endings) endings have quite a bit more (and typically higher quality, seemingly) loot, then. 11:38:19 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:09 probably you just got unlucky 11:40:17 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:28 Cryp71c: lair loot has been balanced a few times... 11:40:30 djungle book has a bit more loot than usual i think 11:40:59 also those other vaults have too much loot still i imagine, but frog pond has a bunch of stuff usually 11:41:03 but it probably deserves it for being a deathtrap 11:41:19 %git /:frog 11:41:19 Could not find commit /:frog (git returned 128) 11:41:23 %git :/frog 11:41:23 03kilobyte * 0.12-b1-78-g9b0a375: Make undead frogs 'z', as planned. 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b0a3759885a 11:41:27 oh well 11:41:37 elliptic, I remember, I was just mentioning that the lake ending (idk its proper name) feels like it continues to have poor loot (its always felt this way to me), but I didn't know if it had been recently changed one way or another. 11:41:39 i think there was a change fairly recently 11:41:49 %git 2f839c00d2 11:42:00 03|amethyst * 0.12-a0-2135-g2f839c0: Make the frog pond a "large" Lair ending (HangedMan). 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f839c00d297 11:43:04 hrm, I must've just been unlucky with my loot...a few potions, unbranded sword, and 6 large rocks. 11:43:12 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:36 a few potions is more than most endings get in my experience 11:45:33 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:45:59 hrm, yeah that's odd..usually I see a bit more in lair...it uses some acquirement code, doesn't it? 11:46:20 some endings give a single random acquirement item and that's it 11:46:27 some endings give several items 11:52:30 Who runs the tourneys nowadays, I can't remember. 11:54:01 I do 11:55:00 Was going to mention, if you hadn't already considered it, that overflow altars feel a TON more common nowadays, didn't know if it was still worth a banner on the next tourney. 11:55:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:55:13 Winning a game without entering Temple, I mean. 11:55:19 that's not a banner 11:55:29 (and never has been) 11:55:39 ...oh, maybe it just gives points? 11:55:43 no 11:55:56 I could have sworn I distinctly remembered it from last tourney. 11:55:57 guess not. 11:56:19 there is a banner for winning without entering any of temple/lair/orc/vaults 11:56:26 wasn't th-- yeah, that one 11:56:26 nicolae-: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:56:32 -!- Twinge has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:33 !messages 11:56:33 (1/1) greatorbofeyes said (15h 14m 29s ago): fire crabs cannot actually swim, your shoals vault should use shallow water or something 11:56:41 oh, damn, that's right 11:56:51 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:37 elliptic, the 50 bonus points from last tourney: "50 bonus points for a win without visiting Temple, Lair, Orc, or the Vaults (LORD OF DARKNESS banner III)." is that like 50 points for not visiting each, or ? Or is it 50 points + banner for not visiting all of them? 11:58:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:58:28 all, in the same game 11:58:28 without visiting any of them 12:00:04 oh ok 12:05:15 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-13-g9771293 12:07:34 03kilobyte 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-86-gd028617: Typo fix. (cherry-picked from commit e0f72cacdb0d9e81b0a1fc8a07d324a6e8aeae31) 10(17 hours ago, 3 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d028617e419f 12:10:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:23 temple does seem fairly irrelevant as far as banners go 12:17:08 -!- jellosaw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:19:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-330-g8625f97 (34) 12:22:44 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 12:23:25 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:39 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:34 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:34 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:33:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:33:12 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:33:23 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:23 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:23 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:03 -!- RichardSimmons has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:03 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:35:52 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 12:36:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:07 -!- dcssrubot362 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:19 Who in the world designed starcursed mass? that monster was awesomely unique. 12:39:34 dracoomaga i think? 12:39:38 DracoOmega, rather 12:41:03 -!- Silurio_ is now known as Silurio 12:43:11 -!- Arivia_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:44:45 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 12:45:26 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:01 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:05 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-331-gf63f636: Remove now-unused Jester description. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f63f636f253e 12:58:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:37 -!- dcssrubot753 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:32 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:10:53 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:15 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:16:28 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:29 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:03 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:24:12 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:34:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:09 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:34 -!- Vidiny has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:55 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:48:49 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:56:05 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 13:58:28 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:39 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:30 -!- RichardSimmons has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:21 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:10:13 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:16 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:26:22 -!- 17SACPTL7 is now known as lightquake 14:30:42 -!- dcssrubot277 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:06 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:33:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 14:43:36 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:58 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:48:37 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:13 -!- Ursa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:28 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:28 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:45 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:56:52 so, I found out that there's a --cherry option to "git log" 14:58:11 (which can also be used with gitk, I think) 15:02:26 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:02:57 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:20 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 15:11:04 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:15:16 is there anyone who would object to changing the 27 short blades title to politician 15:15:23 it is currently eviscerator 15:16:12 and eviscerator is also unarmed 21-26 for felids 15:16:29 i approve 15:16:50 sg 15:16:51 well i also disapprove because it means my having attained the politician title is less exclusive, but, greater good 15:17:04 well, is politician used elsewhere? 15:17:10 Zannick: it used to be 27 stabbing 15:17:13 ah 15:17:14 but stabbing skill was removed.... 15:17:24 an even greater loss than dungeon master 15:17:26 then yeah, +1 15:17:41 (sounds good to me too) 15:17:57 !lg * title=eviscerator s=sk 15:17:58 258 games for * (title=eviscerator): 172x Short Blades, 86x Unarmed Combat 15:20:36 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 15:22:36 !lg * title=politician s=sk 15:22:36 117 games for * (title=politician): 117x Stabbing 15:22:56 +1 for politician :) 15:22:57 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:23:01 -!- Zermako has quit [] 15:24:41 03elliptic 07* 0.13-a0-332-g152d603: Bring back politicians. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=152d6030a893 15:25:17 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:27:16 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:20 -!- yalue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:02 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30:50 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:32:19 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:37:02 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 15:37:33 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:37:57 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:16 what about Cutthroat as well? Blademaster sounds like something that's long blades. 15:42:01 Was it the concept of improving ds UC and Tmut from -1 to at least 0 ever broached? There's a reasonable justification as to why on the DS feedback wiki that touches on dstm. 15:42:25 Cutthroat seems like a great title to me 15:42:29 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:41 -!- Wester has quit [] 15:46:32 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:31 blademaster is there because of the monsters 15:53:21 -!- Kellhus_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:05 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-333-g77dba95: An indentation fix. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77dba95f4580 16:00:05 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-334-gb38dabf: A more sinister title for lev 21-26 short blade users. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b38dabf04072 16:00:47 -!- dcssrubot108 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:04 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:03:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:04:07 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:05:10 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:06:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:29 does Henwell have an entry with all the dragon armour abreviations? 16:06:48 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:16 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:54 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:52 <|amethyst> galehar: searching the HTML learndb doesn't turn up 'WDA' anywhere (just in "/rawdata" in CAO morgues) 16:09:19 <|amethyst> galehar: unless I didn't get the memo that swamp dragon armour was changed to something else 16:10:03 -!- Havvy has quit [] 16:10:21 <|amethyst> and I was never clear on which letter was used for "storm" and which for "steam" 16:11:08 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:11:25 <|amethyst> maybe we should start naming them by the ev penalty 16:11:44 maybe we should just type out the name :P 16:12:07 The wiki maintains a history of edits, correct? 16:12:51 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: yes, click on the "Old revisions" button in the top left 16:13:02 <|amethyst> assuming you mean the dev wiki 16:13:09 |amethyst, k, cleaning up ds muts page, just in case something there needs to be referred back to. 16:13:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:14:43 |amethyst: storm is SDA, other s armours use second letter 16:15:09 elliptic: oh, that's easy to remember, thanks :) 16:15:32 only other confusion is what to call faerie dragon armour, since FDA is certainly fire 16:15:53 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:58 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:07 galehar: <3 your minmay reply 16:17:01 are we using the abbreviations ingame now or what 16:17:41 -!- rkd has quit [] 16:18:13 st_: for what? 16:18:16 <|amethyst> elliptic: that's kind of confusing since T is also the seocnd letter of "storm" 16:18:21 <|amethyst> s/seocnd/second/ 16:18:26 oda!! 16:18:30 st_: generally not, but there is HP etc. 16:18:30 dpeg: dragon armours 16:18:38 st_: oh, where is that used? 16:18:53 don't know, galehar was asking for them 16:19:28 <|amethyst> Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ da 16:19:45 <|amethyst> for faerie 16:20:20 <|amethyst> because it's so much easier to type than "faerie" 16:20:32 æda 16:20:34 I don't even know what all of those are 16:21:17 <|amethyst> elliott: Bruce Campbell Dragon Armour? 16:21:46 (faerie is a kind of dragon?) 16:21:53 <|amethyst> SamB_: extinct 16:22:06 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:24 <|amethyst> "Faerie dragons used to be a race of the same species as mottled ones." 16:22:33 <|amethyst> and "They are now extinct, and this prized relic is one of the last proofs 16:22:34 <|amethyst> they ever existed." 16:22:55 are you up to create a new randart? 16:23:00 I'm not quite sure how to go about discussing a desire to raise DS UC skill to 0 (from -1) and transmutation skill to go from -1 to +1 16:23:20 <|amethyst> dpeg: oh? 16:23:38 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: what would you lower to compensate? 16:24:00 Cryp71c: more subtly! Put a large pack of nerf proposals on the table, and then sneak in your desired DS buffs! 16:24:14 |amethyst, I wasn't planning on lowering anything. I understand DS is not necessarily a race open to new players, but its winrate is still consistently lower than the average winrate for cv>0.11 16:24:42 Not that that's an argument in and of itself, but it is a fun race which players enjoy, but just can't get very far with (let alone win) 16:24:44 so, like, the short names would be 0EV, -1EV, etc.? 16:25:00 Cryp71c: I wouldn't worry about the win rate. As I see it, DS is really popular with the crowd, for good reasons. That also means abysmal winrate. 16:25:01 <|amethyst> well, we already have good tm+unarmed races 16:25:05 Cryp71c: easiest method is to raise them and wait for someone to revert it 16:25:27 |amethyst, I suppose that's a reasonable point. 16:26:04 obviously, they're apts are terrible, but the early game (and up through lair, to some extent) does feel pretty difficult as a result of across-the-board below average apts. 16:26:08 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: I do like the unarmed suggestion as kind of in-theme with the demonic auxes, even if mechanically it's unrelated 16:26:12 their apts aren't terrible*** 16:26:27 -1 is not terrile 16:26:37 dpeg, meant that they "aren't terribel" sorry 16:26:43 ah, ok 16:27:07 <|amethyst> decibel, megabel, terribel 16:27:17 |amethyst, I know, right? :D 16:27:25 <|amethyst> not to pick on you, my typing's pretty atrocious too 16:27:31 I don't care too much about DS aptitudes either way, I just think that winrate is a very weak argument -- especially in this case! 16:27:35 Also, I realized today that scales weren't on Monstrous anymore, does anyone remember when that got removed? 16:27:44 |amethyst: wonderful! 16:27:55 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:27:55 <|amethyst> you did filter out quits, right? 16:28:00 Cryp71c: so, you could say that they just aren't enough fun early-game 16:28:06 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:15 |amethyst, no, I often lack sufficient foresight for such obvious things 16:28:16 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:28:39 so, I've updated the proposal for changing the str requirement for armour 16:28:40 <|amethyst> !lg * cs=0.11 !quit s=crace / win 16:28:40 Unknown field: cs 16:28:42 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:mutation:stats#str 16:28:45 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 !quit s=crace / win 16:28:46 1078/190111 games for * (cv=0.11 !quit): 194/19964x Minotaur [0.97%], 62/20419x Demonspawn [0.30%], 59/8906x Spriggan [0.66%], 58/4054x Centaur [1.43%], 58/10508x Hill Orc [0.55%], 56/12220x Deep Elf [0.46%], 55/9397x High Elf [0.59%], 51/5155x Troll [0.99%], 47/3891x Deep Dwarf [1.21%], 47/9253x Draconian [0.51%], 46/5006x Ogre [0.92%], 40/5748x Merfolk [0.70%], 39/7050x Kobold [0.55%], 34/7290x ... 16:28:58 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 !quit / win 16:28:58 1078/190111 games for * (cv=0.11 !quit): N=1078/190111 (0.57%) 16:28:58 sorry, it's a bit hard to find, you have to scroll a bit :/ 16:29:04 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 !quit ds / win 16:29:05 62/20419 games for * (cv=0.11 !quit ds): N=62/20419 (0.30%) 16:29:11 dpeg, on a counter-argument to win rate, is there a way to run average number of cv>0.11 which make it past, lair...for example? 16:29:14 <|amethyst> yeah, still very much below average 16:29:16 galehar: cool, will have a look 16:29:38 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: maybe e.g. 16:29:53 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 xl>13 !quit ds / win 16:29:54 62/385 games for * (cv=0.11 xl>13 !quit ds): N=62/385 (16.10%) 16:29:58 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 xl>13 !quit / win 16:29:58 1078/6238 games for * (cv=0.11 xl>13 !quit): N=1078/6238 (17.28%) 16:30:15 Cryp71c: perhaps the low winrate is also proof that our players aren't good at adapting (attention: half-joke) 16:30:22 <|amethyst> so if you make it to XL 13 your chance of survival is pretty close to average 16:30:50 |amethyst: where does survival come into those figures 16:30:57 -!- Havvy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:03 oh, wait, !quit 16:31:04 <|amethyst> SamB_: / win 16:31:06 |amethyst, that's about what it feels like, you either make it to/through lair and have a winnable char, or mutation choice, mutation scheduling, or bad luck (or a combination) kills you before / in early lair. 16:31:10 * SamB_ missed the ! 16:31:40 mutation scheduling I need to address, there's no question there. 16:31:47 I think the fact that tons of new players play ds is really skewing the stats. It has always been like this going back many versions. 16:31:48 <|amethyst> s/XL 13/XL 14/ # I used > 16:31:54 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:00 eith: yes 16:32:21 does goodplayers still work? Is it anymore statistically viable in this situation for querying? 16:32:48 In any case, its not a big deal, Having chars which already make good UC/TM is enough of an argument against boosting both apts. 16:33:03 greatplayers works 16:33:05 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 xl>13 dr x=count(name) 16:33:06 305 games for * (cv=0.11 xl>13 dr): count(name)=174 16:33:08 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 xl>13 ds x=count(name) 16:33:08 388 games for * (cv=0.11 xl>13 ds): count(name)=216 16:33:14 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 ds x=count(name) 16:33:15 22919 games for * (cv=0.11 ds): count(name)=1737 16:33:19 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:19 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 dr x=count(name) 16:33:19 9714 games for * (cv=0.11 dr): count(name)=1316 16:33:21 you can use lm with br.enter=lair to see how much ds gets to lair 16:33:22 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=0.11 mi x=count(name) 16:33:23 21187 games for * (cv=0.11 mi): count(name)=2111 16:33:23 or whatever 16:33:26 -!- quackv4 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:44 elliott: getting *to* lair isn't what was asked 16:33:51 But with unarmed being a focus of ds, I would still like to bring the UC apt up to 0, from -1. 16:33:59 <|amethyst> !lm * win br.enter=lair 16:34:01 11414. [2013-04-11 14:34:21] darkli the Executioner (L14 MiBe) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 14871. (D:10) 16:34:02 Quite a small change. 16:34:05 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter=lair / win 16:34:08 11414/122081 milestones for * (br.enter=lair): N=11414/122081 (9.35%) 16:34:13 But I think it'll feel noticible and is thematic to DS in any case. 16:34:19 <|amethyst> !lm * br.end=lair / win 16:34:22 11261/66693 milestones for * (br.end=lair): N=11261/66693 (16.88%) 16:34:27 -!- ldf2866 has quit [Quit: ldf2866] 16:34:39 <|amethyst> (br.end isn't quite "finishing lair" but it's as close as you can get afaik) 16:34:59 <|amethyst> !lm * br.end=lair ds / win 16:35:01 820/5301 milestones for * (br.end=lair ds): N=820/5301 (15.47%) 16:35:08 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter=lair ds / win 16:35:10 827/9279 milestones for * (br.enter=lair ds): N=827/9279 (8.91%) 16:35:19 Well, not too far off from the average. 16:35:32 8.91 vs 9.35 and 15.47 vs 16.88 16:36:48 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:53 <|amethyst> !lm * cv=0.11 br.enter=lair ds / win 16:36:57 61/780 milestones for * (cv=0.11 br.enter=lair ds): N=61/780 (7.82%) 16:36:58 <|amethyst> !lm * cv=0.11 br.enter=lair / win 16:37:00 1053/11707 milestones for * (cv=0.11 br.enter=lair): N=1053/11707 (8.99%) 16:37:01 <|amethyst> forgot the 0.11 16:37:10 <|amethyst> !lm * cv=0.11 br.end=lair ds / win 16:37:12 60/437 milestones for * (cv=0.11 br.end=lair ds): N=60/437 (13.73%) 16:37:17 <|amethyst> !lm * cv=0.11 br.end=lair / win 16:37:19 1051/6499 milestones for * (cv=0.11 br.end=lair): N=1051/6499 (16.17%) 16:37:27 <|amethyst> so that's more significant 16:38:56 <|amethyst> what about 0 in the weapon skills that have "demon" versions? 16:39:04 <|amethyst> that would be kind of thematic 16:39:39 It would be mor approp for skill boost or apt boost while wielding a demonic weapon, but none are obtained early enough for that. 16:39:40 |amethyst: there is a boost for demonic weapons already, which is probably marginal right now, and could be changed. I'd like an enchantment buff better, as that's easier to display. 16:39:55 If I proceed with boosting the UC apt, do I need to bump the major version? 16:40:12 To keep from breaking save compat 16:40:22 no 16:40:34 what are you worried about, ash reskilling? 16:40:42 SamB_, hrum? 16:40:45 galehar, thanks 16:40:50 <|amethyst> galehar: don't you have to convert the skill pool? 16:40:53 also bumping the major version DOES break save compat 16:41:05 <|amethyst> oh "major" 16:41:31 I never have gotten a great hold on major / minor version bumping and when or when not. 16:41:41 <|amethyst> galehar: oh, I guess skill levels always get adjusted on load, 16:41:51 <|amethyst> so you don't have to do anything for that 16:42:30 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: if you have to change the read/write routines, or do something specifically when going from an old save to a new one, you need a minor version bump 16:42:41 players will maybe level up their skill first time they gain some xp after loading 16:42:46 minor if you need it to be able to check if the save is new or old at load time, major when we decide it's time to break save compat and rip out all the old migration code 16:43:01 I see I missed some Ds discussion 16:43:01 skill points are unchanged 16:43:05 I am opposed to buffing Ds 16:43:10 <|amethyst> yeah, a major bump means "we're not handling save compatibility" 16:43:50 Cryp71c: I don't like boosting Ds unarmed... people are already irrational about thinking that their Ds *has* to switch to unarmed when it mutates claws 16:44:09 so, any feedback on the change to the effect of str on EVP? 16:44:13 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:mutation:stats#str 16:45:05 5*evp/(skill+2) and some adjustments to current armours 16:45:11 drop splint 16:45:30 by skill you mean strength, right? 16:45:37 galehar: looks good to me. I think you understand what you are doing, why not set up a c-r-d email with a paragraph on the goal and a paragraph on the changes, followed by the numbers? I'd support it. 16:45:39 oh right, strength 16:46:56 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:47:50 -1 to buffing Ds UC, too. We got enough of unarmed-biased races, and they're mostly humans. Newsflash: humans suck at unarmed, especially in RL. A grandmaster with a knife is far more dangerous than one without. 16:48:59 if you want to buff Ds in some way, I'd suggest guaranteeing a mutation at XL 2 or something like that 16:49:20 it's only their early game that could use help... in the long run they are incredibly strong 16:49:22 elliptic, yes, mutation schedulig is high on my list of things to rework. 16:49:39 Alright, well I'll leave the apts as they are and see what impact scheduling has first. 16:49:55 Cryp71c: oh? I actually think mutation scheduling works pretty well as it is for the most part 16:50:52 elliptic, t3 scheduling was improved a bit ago by Marvin, I think..but the rest of it has an unreasonably large amount of variance. You can not get an early mutation until as late as xl5 or xl6, and its not terribly rare. 16:51:26 Even in some fixes I was just doing, I had gaps of 7 and 8 levels on maybe a 3rd of my tests starting around xl 6 16:51:35 I think a lot of variance is fine though 16:51:38 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:51:51 isn't it more interesting this way? 16:52:13 I think the mutations are the interesting part, and to some degree the "am I going to get a mutation this XL!? 16:52:18 Cryp71c: whenever I fail to get a new DS mutation for two or three levels, I get all the more anxious to reach the next one :) 16:52:34 but having 5 levels of "am I going to get a mutation?" excitement and then no mutation feels like a bad amount of variance. 16:53:44 5 levels without one really isn't that unreasonable given that you only get 15 mutations in 27 levels, and you can get two in one level 16:54:04 maybe we could change it so that you never get two mutations in one level? 16:54:46 elliptic: yes, that would help 16:55:15 it can be interesting to suddenly have L2 in one facet out of nowhere, but it also means fewer changes overall 16:55:17 Perhaps, that can be managed pretty easily. I'll think on it a bit more. I have been wanting to increase the number of mutations in the pool and also increase the number of mutations a DS get maybe by one, while weakining other mutations as necessary. That in and of itself would make the large gaps less frequent and ease the curve for early game ds. 16:55:19 -!- doome has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:55:55 by one, meaning 15 to 18? I think that is a bad idea... they already get tons of stuff 16:57:07 it's not like anyone complains about current Ds being uninteresting because they only get five facets 16:57:09 Or by increasing the size of some facets from 3 to 4 or 5, if good ideas can be found (or if some new facet ideas already have ideas for all 4 items) 16:57:23 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:19 again, what's wrong with the current system? it seems to work well 16:58:32 Cryp71c: wants more DS in his DS :) 16:58:42 lol, perhaps. 16:58:57 <|amethyst> allowing variable facet size wouldn't really be a problem if the mutations were balanced to take that into account 16:59:02 early game just feels harder than average, making many players who play DS unable to reach the mid and end game, where the most fun is for DS. 16:59:16 <|amethyst> "weaker" facets could make up for it by giving you one more thing 16:59:57 <|amethyst> But I wouldn't change the implementation speculatively 17:00:25 Cryp71c: the race has the third-highest number of players getting to XL 14 in recent versions 17:00:32 <|amethyst> if there is something in particular that needs it, and that is well-balanced and interesting, it can happen 17:00:40 !lg * recent xl>13 s=crace x=cdist(name) o=cdist(name) 17:00:41 14525 games for * (recent xl>13): 2655x Minotaur [867], 1134x Hill Orc [511], 942x Demonspawn [418], 1069x Deep Elf [412], 758x Draconian [354], 808x Spriggan [337], 599x High Elf [287], 505x Centaur [273], 528x Deep Dwarf [272], 662x Troll [269], 429x Merfolk [260], 518x Ogre [259], 472x Kobold [258], 306x Halfling [205], 357x Naga [188], 469x Octopode [187], 377x Vampire [178], 417x Human [176],... 17:00:51 I don't really see inaccessibility as an issue 17:01:35 sure, it doesn't have the easiest start, but people have demonstrated that they are willing to surmount that 17:01:42 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:17 <|amethyst> elliptic: I think the idea is to make it better for players who rarely get past the start 17:03:19 I'm not opposed to making the start a bit easier, I just think that this sounds like a lot of changes that might not even have that effect 17:03:22 greensnark kept complaining about removing all the challenge 17:03:37 earlier I suggested guaranteeing a mutation at XL 2 17:03:40 -!- Melum has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:03:46 <|amethyst> +1 17:03:57 <|amethyst> actually, +3 or +4 17:04:01 <|amethyst> Chicago rules 17:04:54 -!- rzimodnar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:05:03 -!- randomizr is now known as rzimodnar 17:06:04 !lg * recent xl>4 s=crace / xl>13 17:06:05 14526/159633 games for * (recent xl>4): 2655/22733x Minotaur [11.68%], 1134/11140x Hill Orc [10.18%], 1069/10410x Deep Elf [10.27%], 942/12876x Demonspawn [7.32%], 808/7019x Spriggan [11.51%], 758/8248x Draconian [9.19%], 662/7575x Troll [8.74%], 599/7334x High Elf [8.17%], 528/5128x Deep Dwarf [10.30%], 518/5550x Ogre [9.33%], 505/4054x Centaur [12.46%], 472/5933x Kobold [7.96%], 469/8925x Octopo... 17:06:18 !lg * recent xl>4 s=crace / xl>13 o=% 17:06:20 14526/159633 games for * (recent xl>4): 505/4054x Centaur [12.46%], 306/2529x Halfling [12.10%], 258/2136x Demigod [12.08%], 2655/22733x Minotaur [11.68%], 808/7019x Spriggan [11.51%], 528/5128x Deep Dwarf [10.30%], 1069/10410x Deep Elf [10.27%], 1134/11140x Hill Orc [10.18%], 202/2004x Felid [10.08%], 518/5550x Ogre [9.33%], 758/8248x Draconian [9.19%], 662/7575x Troll [8.74%], 357/4348x Naga [8.... 17:06:25 !lg * recent xl>4 s=crace / xl>13 o=-% 17:06:26 14526/159633 games for * (recent xl>4): 469/8925x Octopode [5.25%], 317/5189x Tengu [6.11%], 345/5178x Mummy [6.66%], 417/5788x Human [7.20%], 377/5185x Vampire [7.27%], 942/12876x Demonspawn [7.32%], 253/3293x Sludge Elf [7.68%], 472/5933x Kobold [7.96%], 430/5290x Merfolk [8.13%], 599/7334x High Elf [8.17%], 145/1768x Ghoul [8.20%], 357/4348x Naga [8.21%], 662/7575x Troll [8.74%], 758/8248x Drac... 17:06:29 nice dg 17:06:51 -!- ketsa has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:16 it does have a low conversion rate to XL 14 from XL 5, but it isn't really that abnormally low... not like Op/Te/Mu 17:07:36 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 17:08:00 <|amethyst> it's better than human :) 17:08:16 why do we evan have humans 17:08:27 <|amethyst> Not specializing is kind of inherently bad 17:08:38 <|amethyst> since almost everyone wants to specialize in something 17:08:48 humans aren't about not specializing though 17:08:48 <|amethyst> at least ds have invo 17:09:02 they are about being able to specialize in whatever you want and having a good apt 17:09:29 i.e. flexibility in what to specialize in 17:09:55 human priests should start with Ash, then 17:10:11 or something 17:10:15 <|amethyst> but whatever you decide to specialize in, you can find another race that you "should have" picked 17:10:20 SamB_: as few starting gods as possible 17:10:30 where does it say that 17:10:39 thats not the point. you can easily adapt to anything you find, which is what crawl is mostly about 17:11:36 SamB_: I say that. Increases choices. This is why Makhleb and Zin and TSO went. 17:11:51 |amethyst: you might as well just say that no matter what you do you find you should have picked DD or Ce or whatever 17:12:05 <|amethyst> elliott: I suppose that's a point 17:14:02 !lg * win race=dg s=god 17:14:02 300 games for * (win race=dg): 299x, Nemelex Xobeh 17:14:10 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:13 what, not even priests? 17:14:30 :) 17:14:33 -!- Havvy has quit [Changing host] 17:14:33 -!- Havvy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:36 !lg * win race=dg s=god 17:14:36 300 games for * (win race=dg): 299x, Nemelex Xobeh 17:14:44 er sorry 17:14:48 !lg * race=dg s=god 17:14:48 49694 games for * (race=dg): 49680x, 13x Nemelex Xobeh, Trog 17:15:56 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:59 galehar: a few quick thoughts about the evp formula: 1) plate armour probably shouldn't be buffed, it is already the best heavy armour for most chars 2) I don't really like changing base AC values for armours, since that's a much bigger change than tweaking EVP if you aren't casting spells 17:16:42 galehar: -1/2/3 EVP armour formulas look about right 17:17:51 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:19:24 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:21:06 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:05 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:15 Sine (L26 DsFi) (Vaults:5) 17:28:19 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:04 -!- ophanim_school has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:30:52 -!- dcssrubot153 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:57 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:30:57 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 17:31:31 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 17:33:27 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:35 -!- Sealer has quit [] 17:36:18 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:24 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:39:31 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:44:57 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 17:45:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:17 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 17:51:18 03elliptic 07* 0.13-a0-335-g3106366: Ds mutation scheduling tweaks. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=310636640d6b 17:51:18 03elliptic 07* 0.13-a0-336-g2031ca8: Give demonic guardian 1 earlier on average. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2031ca8438c6 17:52:45 thank you! 18:00:40 -!- GiantOwl has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:00:53 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:35 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:53 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:01 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:42 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:21 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:18:36 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 18:21:41 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:11 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:25:51 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:06 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:31:19 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:32:04 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:43:21 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:01 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:07 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:47:37 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 18:47:56 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:03 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:07 -!- Twinge has quit [] 18:48:45 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:47 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:54:30 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:40 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:57 -!- dcssrubot103 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:05 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:16 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:10:03 -!- Arivia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:48 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:56 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:10 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:26:59 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:24 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:31:33 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:33:28 -!- RichardSimmons has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:34:34 Quaffed a random potion (forgot i was wearing unided amulet) -- got "You feel fantastic!" and the pot identified as beneficial mutation. 19:34:46 I didn't get any mutations so probably the amulet was rmut? 19:34:57 But it didn't auto-id. 19:35:00 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:35:01 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 19:35:26 -!- faz is now known as faz_ 19:35:27 I think you would have seen "You feel odd for a moment" if it was rMut? 19:36:59 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38:47 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:39:32 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:06 almost certainly beneficial mutation can fail to give a mutation without rMut 19:40:19 since it seems all mut sources do this sometimes 19:43:38 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 19:43:52 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:48:11 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:50:02 -!- Behavioral has quit [Client Quit] 19:53:58 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:28 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:35 if it *was* rMut, and the potion failed naturally, would it have IDed? 19:58:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:15 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:07:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:10:26 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:11:18 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:11:59 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:50 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:15:32 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:17:52 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-337-gc4776a0: Don't try to get a fire crab to swim (#6903). 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4776a0173fd 20:21:19 -!- soundlst has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:47 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:57 hai 20:26:57 bh: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:27:04 I must have broken something. 20:27:05 !messages 20:27:05 (1/4) kilobyte said (15h 57m 51s ago): that nome variable doesn't refer to old gnomes, it's for a proposed (but apparently moribund) new race. I added that field as the branch's author had trouble dealing with constant conflicts. Not that big an issue with the race not being developed, though. 20:27:17 !messages 20:27:17 (1/3) kilobyte said (15h 54m 51s ago): for the note: they would need the interface to cope with thin walls being passable (either autoexplore visiting them or being able to see through thin walls), and there's a balance problem with their biggest advantage appearing and disappearing at the map generator's whim 20:27:25 !messages 20:27:25 (1/2) galehar said (11h 1m 27s ago): ojectifying gods sound good to me and would indeed help implementing random gods. 20:27:28 !messages 20:27:29 (1/1) galehar said (11h 1m 3s ago): as long as the design is solid. Simple procedural > bad OO 20:27:38 !seen kilobyte 20:27:38 I last saw kilobyte at Thu Apr 11 22:14:48 2013 UTC (3h 12m 50s ago) saying '!lg * race=dg s=god' on ##crawl-dev. 20:27:46 !tell kilobyte nomes -- d'oh 20:27:47 bh: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 20:28:03 -!- odiv has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:22 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Changing host] 20:28:22 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:03 -!- dcssrubot749 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:24 for the record that amulet was rMut 20:38:57 bh: how should !beneficial mutation interact with an rMut amulet? 20:39:16 rMut should block it 20:39:25 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [] 20:39:26 i got "You feel fantastic!" 20:39:40 but you didn't get a mutation, right? 20:39:41 but i didn't get any mutations, and the amulet didn't get ided 20:40:04 :( 20:40:09 whoops 20:40:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 20:41:23 i think with !mut there's a different message and the amulet ids? 20:42:04 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:06 !oldwon 20:42:10 combos not won in v>=0.11: HaNe, SESk, SESu 20:42:14 .c 20:42:15 Remove from the oldwon keyword: DEDK, SEFi, TeSk 20:42:36 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:13 bh: also, i was wondering if implementing rndgods as "off-grid" monsters might work as an implementation? 20:43:30 or a different derivative of actor even 20:43:39 um.. go on? 20:44:07 well someone (dracoomega i think) was talking about the idea before when he was trying to do something with veh wrath 20:44:27 because it solved a problem of having someone to be the beam caster when he fired random conjurations at the player 20:45:02 and the same system could be used for hell effect sources which would simplify some stuff to do with blame for who hit who 20:45:09 (there are numerous bugs with this and hell effects) 20:45:20 that was me 20:45:25 unless dracoomega did it too 20:45:34 "You catch Jiyva unaware! You stab Jiyva for 1000 damage!" 20:45:38 oops, that was the wrong channel 20:45:39 ah ok 20:46:18 faze: it's cool, ##crawl-dev is like ##crawl, but with more bad players 20:47:57 i would qualify that as "less good players" but same principle ;) 20:51:46 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:52:57 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:38 -!- Lovitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:22 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:28 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:42 where by "more bad players" we mean "players who are more bad", right? 20:55:53 -!- dupo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:53 -!- kingbuddboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56:18 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:57:14 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:57 -!- kekekela_ is now known as kekekela 21:01:01 i meant "less players who are good" 21:02:35 that isn't a very interesting thing to say 21:02:40 there are also less people! 21:04:16 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:18 i know! but it might be more accurate 21:05:27 -!- mamga has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:30 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:03 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:03 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:57 elliptic, thanks for the feedback earlier, we'll guarantee a mutation at xl 2 and see how that feels. 21:11:18 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:18 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:43 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:59 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:04 -!- Nivim_ is now known as Nivim 21:12:32 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:12:33 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 21:12:33 Cryp71c: context? 21:13:05 bh, I had concerns with DS early game strength, proposed changing some changes regarding apts, mutation numbers, scheduling, etc. 21:13:34 elliptic had a modest suggestion of gauranteeing a ds mutation at xl 2 as a way to surmount early game difficulties. 21:13:36 ah-ha 21:13:53 is there any concern with start scumming? 21:17:08 bh, no more so than now, I believe. Its only 1 guaranteed mutation (out of 15 total for DS) at xl 2. 21:18:19 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:51 is it also guaranteed to be only one? 21:21:07 SamB_, yes, 1 at xl2 21:22:19 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:39 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:39 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Changing host] 21:22:40 -!- bitsailor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:56 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:48 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:36:21 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: you must have missed it 21:36:33 <|amethyst> the future is now 21:36:47 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^^ 21:36:47 03elliptic * 0.13-a0-335-g3106366: Ds mutation scheduling tweaks. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=310636640d6b 21:37:25 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:55 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:41:37 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:56 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:42:58 -!- mamga_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49:34 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:18 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:25 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:51:26 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:45 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:53:07 -!- Loc_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:10 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:07 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:19 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56:22 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:24 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:23 -!- Diesell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:19 -!- Diesell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:26 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:08 -!- dcssrubot130 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:18 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:58 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 22:02:09 |amethyst, indeed, I had missed it. nice 22:02:21 !tell elliptic thanks for the ds changes 22:02:21 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:21 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 22:05:34 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:51 -!- Diesell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:29 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:48 -!- bitsailor_ has quit [Quit: bitsailor_] 22:16:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:17:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:20 -!- doome has quit [] 22:21:44 -!- antlions has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:53 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:00 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:38:40 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39:17 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:41:07 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:08 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:44:12 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:38 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:00 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:23 So, um... apparently there has been a rather amazing bug in Crawl since over a year now 22:51:38 All monster damage flavours inflict 0 damage 22:51:51 They print the proper messages, but do no damage 22:52:03 wow 22:52:04 This is even true in 0.11 22:52:10 wow. 22:52:19 elliptic: sorry, "1.5-handers don't exist" has been dethroned 22:52:25 !lg * cv=0.10 ckiller=~simula 22:52:26 122. walerik the Eclecticist (L15 DEWz), worshipper of Vehumet, annihilated by a seven-headed hydra simulacrum on Swamp:5 (swamp_icy) on 2012-12-30 08:25:21, with 74647 points after 26278 turns and 5:01:19. 22:52:28 !lg * cv=0.11 ckiller=~simula 22:52:29 19. 13sandles the Skirmisher (L1 DsAK), worshipper of Lugonu, mangled by a death drake simulacrum in the Abyss on 2013-04-07 21:35:23, with 27 points after 111 turns and 0:00:49. 22:52:51 Because they are currently just really fragile zombies and nobody knew 22:53:08 nice 22:53:22 I have pushed a fix for this now 22:53:31 DracoOmega, any idea what broke it? 22:53:43 Yes, adding the ability for monsters to do damage with magical staves 22:53:56 Since that routine resets special_damage before it is applied 22:55:04 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:56:21 I had to triple check or more before I could even quite swollow the fact that this has been broken for a year without anyone noticing 22:58:11 oh, this explains why summon ice beast seemed weaker 22:58:21 %git 905254a 22:58:21 03kilobyte * 0.11-a0-611-g905254a: Make staves actually do something beyong being a cudgel for monsters. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 3 files, 45+ 34-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=905254ad75cf 22:58:27 ...that's the commit that broke it. 22:58:28 Yeah, that one 22:58:57 can't wait for the tavern posts asking why the game is so much harder now 22:59:01 elliptic: Also I thought it took an oddly large number of simulacra to dent TRJ during dieselrobin 22:59:09 Who knows? 22:59:11 knew* 22:59:36 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-338-gd5b758e: Fix all monster attack flavours inflicting 0 damage 10(86 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5b758e0acb6 22:59:36 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-339-gfcc4413: Fix simulacra not getting AF_COLD branded attacks 10(85 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcc4413fc32a 23:00:02 the lesson is that it is really hard to notice melee-related things being broken if they don't show up in most situations 23:00:05 elliott: Well, to be fair, this affects fairly few things in the early game 23:00:17 tavern thinks earlygame is easy and extended is really hard :P 23:00:19 Well, the fact that the right messages were being printed really masks it 23:00:19 see also: slaying being broken with enhancer staff melee for a year 23:00:33 Since you would probably just assume you were getting kind damage rolls 23:00:39 As opposed to half of those rolls just not happening 23:00:54 DracoOmega: just out of curiosity, how did you notice this? 23:01:23 I was experimenting with changing fire elementals to inflict pure fire damage in melee and was wondering why my new attack flavor was doing nothing 23:01:30 And then I realized that they were ALL doing nothing 23:01:42 ah, nice 23:02:09 Were ice beasts still able to break potions? 23:02:20 Yes, because I've had that happen consistently. 23:02:26 Yes 23:02:37 The expose_to_element was happening 23:02:42 Just no actual hp loss 23:02:56 Right. Thought so. 23:03:01 also AF_POISON was still working, etc 23:03:12 Yeah, it was only the actual hp loss component 23:03:17 just not the extra damage from a couple flavors 23:04:08 No wonder I seemed to find the sun demon in Hell Lair oddly weaker lately, too 23:04:41 Cherry-picked 2 commits into stone_soup-0.12 23:06:23 note to self: don't transfer 23:06:43 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:06:52 * Grunt hits elliott. Grunt freezes elliott! 23:06:54 it's also why elfrobin didn't die to azure jellies in slime a little while ago 23:07:10 (not that elfrobin isn't about to die anyway) 23:07:42 well it sort of almost died to them anyway 23:07:45 just that strong a character 23:08:55 I guess the main 3-runer monsters with AF_* are ice/sky beast and electric golem 23:09:29 there is also some weak stuff like lava fish and freezing wraiths that wouldn't be likely to kill people anyway 23:09:54 Oh god, lava fish!!! 23:09:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-339-gfcc4413 (34) 23:09:58 * Grunt is reminded of that one lair entry. 23:10:13 azure jellies and ice fiends were the serious victims of this bug 23:10:17 And simulacra 23:10:29 well simulacra were never very dangerous to the player 23:10:34 They were if they hit you! 23:10:43 Note 10 times as many deaths to them in 0.10 as 0.11 23:10:50 still not many deaths though 23:10:52 antaeus, uber-nerfed 23:10:56 Haha 23:11:09 right, antaeus was most definitely a victim of the bug 23:11:26 Might make a noticable difference with wights and such, too 23:11:58 oh, AF_DRAIN_XP is a thing 23:12:09 that does damage? 23:12:26 Same as draining weapons do 23:12:33 Same code, even 23:12:54 * SamB_ wonders how much rebalancing will now be needed 23:13:05 SamB_: none I'd think 23:13:07 probably none if it worked before 0.11 23:13:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-339-gfcc4413 (34) 23:13:28 not that many dangerous monsters affected in a 3-runer really 23:13:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:52 And I don't think any of these have been otherwise changed or adjusted since then 23:14:06 As a buff for percieved underperformance or something 23:15:57 oh, I guess AF_HOLY was affected too, so undead/demonspawn have been having it easy in holypan against a couple monsters :P 23:16:03 True 23:16:39 so fire, cold, elec, drain, holy? 23:17:48 Also distortion and pain 23:18:19 -!- alcohol is now known as Guest75187 23:18:23 And acid, to a small degree, but only versus monsters 23:18:39 -!- Guest75187 is now known as Silurio 23:18:47 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:11 so if we have Hell Lair can we also have Orc Slime 23:20:01 yes 23:21:11 Hmmm... maybe this has something to do with why Grinder has half as many kills in 0.11 as 0.10? 23:22:28 right, I forgot pain and disto use special_damage 23:22:34 Perhaps. 23:22:38 so yes, grinder was hurt by this a lot 23:24:33 Wow, now THIS is a statistic: 23:24:34 !lg * cv=0.11 ckiller=ice_beast 23:24:35 89. NyaaKitty the Bludgeoner (L10 OgBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by an ice beast (summoned by an ice statue) on D:8 (minmay_statue_hallways) on 2013-04-11 23:24:16, with 5384 points after 8775 turns and 0:21:17. 23:24:37 !lg * cv=0.10 ckiller=ice_beast 23:24:37 1314. Vidiiot the Covert (L7 NaAs), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by an ice beast on D:7 on 2013-03-12 16:40:43, with 1003 points after 2937 turns and 0:07:14. 23:24:54 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-340-g739c2d6: Remove unneeded brackets. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=739c2d636f89 23:24:56 yeah 23:25:28 definitely ice beast nerf was the largest effect of the bug I'd say 23:26:44 oh right, ugly things too 23:26:57 !lg * 0.10|0.11 !boring s=ckiller / 0.10 o=% ?:%<1 23:26:59 211660/391362 games for * ((0.10 || 0.11) !boring): 83/88x a white ugly thing [94.32%], 32/34x a hydra simulacrum [94.12%], 1314/1403x an ice beast [93.66%], 11/12x a white very ugly thing [91.67%], 60/66x an azure jelly [90.91%], 10/11x a draconian simulacrum [90.91%], 141/156x an ice devil [90.38%], 9/10x a quokka skeleton [90.00%], 45/50x a cyan ugly thing [90.00%], 1192/1325x a sky beast [89.9... 23:27:03 this is a good query 23:27:06 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:28:05 Haha, yes 23:28:09 white ugly things, ruined 23:28:19 quokka skeletons, ruined???????? 23:28:25 That one is just odd :P 23:28:27 next DracoOmega gets to find the skeleton bug 23:28:29 or maybe the quokka bug 23:29:16 !lg * 0.10|0.11 !boring s=ckiller / 0.10 o=% ?:%<1 den.N>=20 23:29:18 210550/389195 games for * ((0.10 || 0.11) !boring): 83/88x a white ugly thing [94.32%], 32/34x a hydra simulacrum [94.12%], 1314/1403x an ice beast [93.66%], 60/66x an azure jelly [90.91%], 141/156x an ice devil [90.38%], 45/50x a cyan ugly thing [90.00%], 1192/1325x a sky beast [89.96%], 109/128x a freezing wraith [85.16%], 109/128x Snorg [85.16%], 53/63x a pandemonium lord [84.13%], 120/143x a s... 23:29:27 snorg? 23:29:31 oh right 23:29:37 I removed the lair entry snorg 23:29:54 maybe we should buff snorg :P 23:30:06 (or move him earlier) 23:30:23 Haha, anaconda skeletons aren't far down that list 23:30:41 the pan lord thing is that bug about them always being speed 10 I guess 23:30:44 Oh, sixfirhy, too! 23:30:53 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:13 -!- dcssrubot1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31:46 so apparantly monsters have been nerfed since 0.11 23:31:59 if they tried to use brands 23:32:25 DracoOmega: oh, did the bug with anaconda skeletons not getting to constrict ever get fixed? is that the same as this bug somehow? 23:32:32 SamB_: not brands, flavors 23:32:34 No, but I fixed that a while ago 23:32:38 oh, good 23:32:48 SamB_: monsters using branded weapons have been fine 23:33:01 how confusing 23:33:14 DracoOmega, btw, ran into one of your abyssal monsters...starcrusted something or other. Awesomely fun and unique monster design, btw. 23:33:22 and we wonder why there are so many bugs! 23:33:33 Thanks :) 23:33:38 Starcursed mass, I think 23:33:41 elliptic, flavors are what come up in @?? right? 23:33:42 yep 23:34:14 yes 23:42:25 -!- unpaidbill has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:42:57 Not sure if experience card is working right, anyone care to spec me in cszo? 23:42:59 Harkenn 23:43:13 No matter what, the cyan is 0.0 23:43:31 (or whatever the skill is right now), its supposed to show the skill after the exp effect. 23:43:33 Cryp71c: if you have 0 evoc skill and the deck is plain, you get 0 xp 23:43:36 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:43:42 gotcha, that explain is. 23:43:44 nvm. 23:43:47 Wow, really? 23:43:53 this should probably be changed 23:43:55 I would have expected you'd get at least SOMETHING 23:43:59 but it is the explanation 23:44:14 it was changed 23:44:15 recently 23:44:22 %git :/exper 23:44:38 03SamB * 0.12-a0-3186-g0bcbfe5: Remove unneeded "if (artefact)" checks from auto-ID code for jewellery. 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 19+ 36-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bcbfe5c1cdd 23:44:50 ??? 23:44:51 sigh 23:45:37 %git d8041292 23:45:37 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-2414-gd804129: Give at least some XP for Experience cards. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d804129209a8 23:46:02 it isn't very much XP though 23:46:29 maybe not enough to bring a skill to 0.1 at high XL? I don't really know 23:47:49 ??Hell harrower 23:47:49 I don't have a page labeled hell_harrower in my learndb. 23:48:05 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:49:27 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:50:13 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:58:20 -!- chaingun has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:59:59 -!- chaingun has quit [Changing host]