00:00:15 I'm wondering if in that case we'd see the same problems we have now on D:27 (large primary vault and possibly large entry vault). 00:00:42 Anyway, I need to head out now :/ 00:01:08 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-77-g92cd43b 00:01:22 Grunt: we'd have to modify Tomb:3 to support an optional Crypt entry subvault 00:01:30 uh i mean 00:01:36 the other way around 00:01:47 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.2-13-g9771293 00:01:48 I can see how you'd get those mixed up 00:01:55 heh :) 00:01:58 they're basically synonyms, aren't they? 00:02:21 Grunt: but i think a combination of your patch, and also the changes i've made here (stop random vaults on encompass maps) should pretty much do it 00:03:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-233-gd092828 (34) 00:03:37 hmm, i can add an additional thing for everywhere else so if an encompass vault is placed then we also don't try to place branch entry vaults 00:03:41 just the stairs feature 00:04:08 but it'd be good to modify all encompass vaults to potentially support branch entries that can possibly appear in their depth range 00:06:18 SamB: technically a Crypt is a tomb specifically under a church floor 00:06:42 there's a church in Crawl? 00:07:01 apparently so ... 00:07:18 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:12 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:51 <|amethyst> rename them the catacombs? 00:11:01 catacombs would be more accurate, and then it would actually make sense that Tomb was a special place *within* the catacombs 00:12:24 will encompass maps still allow uniques to place? 00:12:35 evilmike: yes, they have allow_overwrite 00:12:36 since uniques are placed by vaults... 00:12:38 ok 00:12:40 and i made an exception for them in this patch 00:12:57 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:03 hmm, it's actually can_overwrite i think 00:15:11 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated 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ago, 3 files, 103+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=287d535ae03c 01:21:14 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-238-ga6096bd: Optimise a caves layout by not analysing the layout unneccessarily 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6096bdd7eca 01:21:14 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-239-g2cc0eed: Optimise dungeon builder for branch ends and encompass vaults in general 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 60+ 30-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cc0eedfcbff 01:21:14 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-240-g30b716a: Allow maps with a PLACE: to also have a DEPTH:. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30b716a81579 01:21:14 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-241-gff35b2a: Treat Zot entries as D:$ branch-ending PLACE: vaults. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 18+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff35b2a5641f 01:21:14 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-242-g74a4ed0: Remove redundant comment and default-depth 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74a4ed03609a 01:21:14 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-243-g91c138b: Allow hangedman_pleasuredromes to also place as a D:$ primary vault 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91c138bf9ff4 01:33:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:34:53 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:17 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:45 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:37:13 -!- eb has quit [] 01:38:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:38:54 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 01:44:55 -!- Alexor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:45:00 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 01:55:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:10 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:00:19 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:01:55 -!- sacje has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:56 -!- 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02:28:34 i think if the main reason for shortening is because it's boring then it'd be good to make it a bit more interesting 02:28:44 2 boring levels aren't much better than 4 really 02:31:51 sure some improvements would be welcome 02:32:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:54 can always shorten after if it's not enough 02:33:51 the branch shortening itself is pretty easy, i don't see any problem getting that in for .13 02:37:11 even with improvements to layout and monsters, 4 levels could still be quite a lot (although i've never found it boring myself, but then there it's only so often that i even reach that stage of the game) 02:38:20 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:38:23 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39:57 for .13 what i'd most like to see is every branch have a fairly distinct theme, layout and monster set 02:43:36 ... maybe also enchanted forest branch and dragons den portal ;) ... 02:44:44 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:45:25 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:48:38 yeah, even with better layout and some gimmixks, I doubt it will be enough to make it worth 5 levels 02:49:00 if shortening is easy, let's do it soon 02:49:46 I didn't do it myself, because I didn't know how to handlz thz tomb entrance issue 02:56:25 looking at the tomb entries, only two are small enough to fit in Crypt:$ really. we could maybe do with some new ones. 03:04:38 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13:12 -!- evilmike has quit [] 03:15:53 -!- substitute has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:18:49 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:03 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:38 I can't really stay long, but I wanted to give a few on-topic comments before signing off for the night :P 03:21:55 a) HangedMan has already done edits to the Crypt encompass vaults to include optional Tomb entrances in them 03:22:10 Crypt:$, I mean 03:22:16 In preparation for possible shortening 03:23:35 And also I had plans for revamps to some of the more boring undead and adjustments of the Crypt monster set probabilities in 0.13. It's one of the things on my project list :P 03:24:14 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 03:25:44 Just since I noticed it being discussed :) 03:30:21 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: stashed] 03:31:59 cool 03:32:08 didn't realise hangedman had done those adjustments 03:33:02 Yeah, we just didn't push them in 0.12 since it seemed better to wait on shortening until it can be done in consort with more Crypt revamps that are coming 03:33:30 It's actually one of the 0.13 things I plan to work on fairly early 03:34:00 I mean, after 0.12 is actually officially released and all :P 03:34:26 yep :) 03:34:39 i probably won't have the new layouts working until then either 03:35:05 I was sort of hoping to have a bunch of things coded up to unleash at once upon an (un?)suspecting public once the tournament is over 03:35:58 Currently working on improving various misc items, and then I think some monster revamps are next on the itinerary 03:36:14 you realise dropping that much at once does mean you'll have your work cut out fixing bugs for a while 03:36:15 Some of this has turned out surprisingly complicated though, so it's been taking longer than expected 03:36:22 Yes, yes, I am aware T.T 03:36:26 hehe 03:36:35 But I seem to have a tradition of dropping a lot of stuff at once, anyway 03:36:51 yeah 03:37:05 But it was my work on misc item stuff yesterday that actually uncovered the cause of that warden bug I fixed today! 03:37:17 i was originally going to do that with the layouts - basically keep working on my fork until pretty much every branch was completely different 03:37:22 then merge the whole lot at once 03:37:26 I actually don't think I would ever have found it if I had started by trying to look for the bug that was itself reported :P 03:38:05 bizarre 03:38:08 but serendipitous 03:38:21 Well, it just so HAPPENED to be drawing on similar code 03:38:34 The problem was a nondeterministic memory-related crash T.T 03:38:57 And so was a bugger to actually figure out what the heck was causing it 03:39:17 right 03:39:23 those sort of things are the worst 03:39:32 Yeah 03:39:57 -!- Soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:00 The closest to 'reliably reproducing it' I could manage involved trapping a bat in a corridor while I fired a particular item hundreds of times at random locations near it 03:40:02 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:04 >.> 03:40:08 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:20 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:52 heh 03:41:24 I still don't actually know WHY this worked, incidentally 03:41:28 But somehow a nearby monster was required 03:41:39 At least I never got it to crash WITHOUT one, despite having nothing to do with the monster 03:43:16 in the end i'm glad for the more gradual approach with the layouts, playtesting feedback is good to help me know what kind of layouts to focus on, and it's also good that optimisation issues have come up at this stage 03:43:34 since i can build optimisations in as i finish off the rest of the placement stuff 03:43:44 Yes, the main reason I would be waiting to deploy at once is only because either: the features are very closely related, or (in this case) also because I don't want to deploy mid-tournament 03:43:54 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44:15 Since everyone is going to be playing 0.12 then anyway, and I'd rather not give them too much reason to find 0.12 worse than 0.13 :P 03:44:30 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44:42 hehe 03:44:45 I seem to recall the 0.11 tournament happening after several widely-desired things had landed in 0.12, and it was kind of a detractor 03:45:08 Less fleeing and secret door removal and something else too, I think? 03:45:12 yeah, a few layouts aren't much of a reason for people to switch to 0.13 (although the overall effect eventually will be excellent) 03:45:43 well, we already have stabbing changes 03:46:32 Well, yes. Though probably that is not quite in the same camp as the stuff I mentioned in terms of general popularity. :P 03:46:33 But moreover, I'd just rather not put much stuff in 0.13 until 0.12 is shipped, since to some degree it splits effort and the sooner 0.12 is out, the sooner we can work on that in earnest. 03:47:02 Thus I am alternating between coding bugfix and working on 0.13 projects locally 03:49:09 Probably some of the monster revamps will be a lot less effort than this stuff has been (fingers crossed :P) 03:49:26 "probably" :P 03:49:40 Haha. Well, I am sure SOME will be! 03:49:52 But coding projects have this nasty way of ending up way more complicated than you expect they will be beforehand 03:50:24 do they really ... 03:50:28 Haha 03:50:52 (i started off writing a level generator for V...) 03:50:57 Hehe, yeah 03:51:05 Well, it was a great success! It just took some time 03:51:09 'some' 03:51:10 :) 03:51:42 hehe 03:51:45 Of course, sometimes even when the CODE is simple to write, you find that the end result doesn't really work from a gameplay perspective like you expected it would and needs to be redrawn 03:54:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:55:05 well basically i had to do that with an entire website 03:55:15 (this is the main thing i've been working on for ~5 years now) 03:55:41 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:43 Long-term project, then 03:57:03 coding stuff for crawl provides some welcome variation from that because it's kind of grown into a bit of a nightmare 03:57:11 The website, or Crawl? :P 03:57:17 ha, the website :P 03:57:39 I have never really had much personal interest in programming non-game stuff, really 03:57:49 crawl is comparatively simple for the most part 03:58:06 Probably because programming was always a means to a design end moreso than something I tended to enjoy just for its own sake, maybe? 03:58:30 i started learning programming in the first place because i wanted to make games 03:58:40 somehow got sidetracked with all this web stuff because, well, it paid 03:59:06 but this long-term project doesn't even pay (yet) but i own a good share in the company 03:59:27 That sounds just a touch dubious, if you don't mind my saying so :P 03:59:51 But it's not like I know anything about it, so.... 04:00:16 My web programming knowledge is approximately 0 04:00:48 it's a company i've started with a friend's cousin, it's a risk but it's not dubious in the sense you mean 04:01:00 Well, I don't mean dubious as in 'scam' 04:01:17 But more like 'well, I hope that pans out because it would be a shame if it doesn't and they often don't' 04:01:33 Sounds kind of cynical, I suppose 04:01:47 yeah i know 04:02:11 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02:11 in some ways it's win-win because even if nothing came of it, the experience i have and the technology i've developed is still worth a lot 04:02:12 Being paid on spec for future profits is always a little worrisome 04:02:25 Or at least it would be for me :P 04:02:36 I am very technically the sysadmin for a website, myself, but it's so simple that basically I don't do anything ^^; 04:02:45 hopefully we'll all start actually drawing a proper wage this year; we only just had our offical launch 04:03:01 I am just the person they poke if the serve hiccups 04:03:06 And then I poke IT until it stops doing that 04:03:17 server* 04:03:25 haha 04:03:38 It's for my lab at the university :P 04:03:43 ok 04:03:48 Probably like 4 people use the website 04:04:07 Well, more people use the data repository we have, I guess 04:04:42 But everything I know on the subject was self-taught as I needed to use it, and since our needs are simple, it's not very broad 04:04:58 we had nearly 4000 unique hits in the last month so it's starting to go ok 04:05:07 Oh, that's pretty decent 04:05:22 We've been up for several years and I'd be surprised if we had 100 unique visitors in total! :P 04:06:34 well, if it's not something you're actively trying to promote 04:06:57 Well, there's not really a lot of reason to 04:07:17 It would mostly be of interest to academics within our little field 04:07:59 I know my supervisor wanted to crowdsource a project or two to a somewhat larger (though still mostly academic) audience, but we haven't had the budget lately 04:08:34 Some transcription of very old letters 04:08:48 That could have more general historical interest 04:09:12 ('Broader' really is relevative once you get into a small enough discipline :P) 04:09:54 yeah 04:10:32 my sister is an academic, she's kind of a world expert now in sociolinguistics, which is extremely niche as you can imagine 04:11:00 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:11:05 ....well, I am actually a sociolinguist 04:11:26 oh right! 04:11:40 A world expert, you say? ^^; 04:12:40 well, that's the impression i got anyway. she is/was a research associate at UTC and was travelling all over the place to present at conferences. 04:13:51 https://sites.google.com/site/ellehurst/ 04:15:13 I don't recognize the name myself, but I do recognize some of the conferences 04:16:28 I would not be at all surprised if my supervisor did, though 04:17:03 And actually some of this stuff is kind of similar to the work we do here, even if on a different language variety 04:19:00 it's a pretty small world really huh ;) 04:20:18 Heh, sometimes yeah 04:24:13 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:25:01 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:30 anyway; i'm pretty glad i got to the bottom of this D:27 thing 04:28:46 now the only major perf problem is V :( 04:31:49 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:35:27 Well, you did improve it a fair bit though, yes? 04:35:57 About how much was the speedup, anyway, in relative terms? 04:41:46 what, V? 04:41:54 i don't have hard figures 04:42:56 it got about 50% faster but after i increased the detail i ended up back at the same speed as before when it had low detail 04:44:56 -!- dcssrubot851 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:05 the big question is how soon do we want .12 ready -- if i can get the rewrite finished and optimise that, it'll be a low better than having to optimise both versions 04:50:11 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 04:52:36 V's average time right now isn't much better than D:27 was, although i think the situation is still better because <1sec isn't really that noticable, but D:27 would sometimes freeze up for longer than 10 seconds 04:55:06 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:15 I don't personally think it's worth holding 0.12 up too long to wait on optimizations 04:59:31 People have been playing it with a slower version than present for quite a long time, and there were few complaints anyway 04:59:41 no i'm not suggesting holding it up 05:00:01 Well, you did say 'how soon do we want 0.12 ready' 05:00:06 just wondering how much time we have, if it's too soon to get the new version finished then i could make a few more optimisations on the current version 05:00:17 yes, it was a question 05:00:37 Well, I would hope before the end of the month, but even better than that would also be nice. But there is also the tournament to arrange 05:00:52 That latter bit is out of my domain, though 05:02:07 Probably want a couple weeks lead time on a date for it, I think? 05:02:34 Might be nice if we could try to get a solid ETA for 0.12 itself agreed upon in the near future, or at least a rough suggestion to work towards. Might help things. 05:03:52 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:07:26 there doesn't seem to be a whole lot that critically needs to be done for 0.12 - some balancing of some of the new monsters / spells maybe, getting a few more tiles in, fixing that mac potion crash - there don't seem to be any other glaringly major issues 05:08:32 -!- Sequell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:18 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:10:45 Well, I think balancing itself is not really supposed to be done at this point. They're clearly in a workable state, even if some eventual tweaks will make sense, but those need longer-term testing, too 05:12:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 05:13:40 And yes, I don't really know of much in the way of show-stoppers presently? That Mac thing is definitely the most serious, yes 05:13:59 But I am not certain what to do about it, either 05:15:05 Making the binary version on the website compiled in the way that appears to actually work is something, but if we are apparently wanting to support older compilers too, I am not sure what to suggest 05:16:48 In any case, I only meant to be here a minute in the first place, and ought to have been to bed a while ago, so now I am off! 05:16:53 Farewell 05:17:09 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:22:19 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:42 -!- syraine has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:26:17 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:27:00 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:29:43 -!- Cryp71c__ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:27 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:34:34 -!- faze_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:29 -!- eiennohito has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:10 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [*.net *.split] 05:39:11 -!- faze has quit [*.net *.split] 05:39:11 -!- tJener has quit [*.net *.split] 05:39:11 -!- shmup has quit [*.net *.split] 05:39:11 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 05:39:21 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-243-g91c138b 05:39:37 Eronarn, evilmike: salamanders being humanoids doesn't come from D&D, that's an error made by Paracelsus 05:39:38 kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:40:35 then D&D misread his idea of elementals and assigned them to animated shapeless chunks of the material in question 05:43:12 mumra: greatzebu can do builds whenever asked, he just has no good way of running cronjobs, as his only working machine is a laptop 05:45:02 kilobyte: i mean that the salamanders we have are D&Disms 05:45:06 there are of course other salamanders out there 05:46:29 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:51:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:54:49 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:12:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:15:01 -!- dcssrubot413 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:08 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:22:58 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:23:28 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:12 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:27:35 -!- 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Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 08:56:25 -!- Xomination has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:56:30 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:59:33 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:48 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:53 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:15:12 -!- dcssrubot752 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:17 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 09:21:44 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-244-g15934d9: A couple of very simple grid layouts 10(78 minutes ago, 2 files, 135+ 44-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15934d9c4089 09:21:44 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-245-g73ff40e: Another griddy layout variant 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 77+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73ff40e47efc 09:21:44 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-246-ge5682e0: Adjust depths of grid layouts 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5682e0cbba8 09:27:53 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 09:31:53 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13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=525e420379c8 11:02:52 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-250-g58b00bc: Restore pillar radii in layout_big_octagon 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=58b00bcd9975 11:03:48 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:18 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:22 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:34 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:48 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:19:38 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:19:41 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:03 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:24 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:25:36 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:39 -!- dcssrubot565 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:16 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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timeout: 245 seconds] 12:02:13 -!- sbanwart has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:04:39 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05:27 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-13-g9771293 12:06:48 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:07:15 <|amethyst> mumra: because Chei never saw them in the first place, so they're new to it 12:07:34 [08 13:04] * geekosaur wonders what would happen if he hit tab here... 12:07:34 [08 13:04] (startup screen on cdo still offering TAB - Octopode Jester) 12:07:34 [08 13:05] answer is, it crashes out with "Incompatible occupation and species" 12:07:34 [08 13:05] geekosaur, mention that in ##crawl-dev please ;P 12:07:49 |amethyst: yeah i guessed something like that 12:07:50 Thanks geek, although I wasn't quite meaning copy/paste spam. 12:07:53 but that's ok. 12:08:10 I figured 4 lines was about the limit 12:08:17 <|amethyst> mumra: I guess I could have it track max seen bug number instead of all seen bug numbers 12:08:41 |amethyst: that sounds far more optimal as well 12:09:56 <|amethyst> mumra: it's not completely trivial since we don't want out-of-order stuff in the RSS to lead to missed announcements 12:11:15 geekosaur: you should file a bug report really. make sure you include all of Cryp71c's comments as well as my advising you to file a bug ;) 12:11:26 :p 12:11:33 mumra, was hoping it to be a quick fix someone could do in here 12:11:38 but yeah, that's the normal process. 12:12:59 Cryp71c: it sounds like it would be an issue for any removed class, but i have no idea how easy it would be 12:13:04 tbh I'm not sure it's even really a bug 12:13:22 infelicity, sure 12:13:25 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:13:28 mumra, has to do with a bit of sanity checking when buliding the race/job menu 12:13:41 it's a bug, if a class has been removed then it shouldn't let you attempt to select it 12:13:41 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:00 tab is the "last used combo" option right? 12:14:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-251-ga779ccd (34) 12:14:42 yes 12:15:19 and it didn't allow me to select it, obviously; it stopped when it tried to select it 12:15:22 -!- dcssrubot737 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:23 what's the best guide to setting up dgamelaunch for crawl? 12:15:33 ive found a few on google, but of course i dont know what's good 12:15:53 hmm, not a serious bug then; but really the last used combo should be reset if it's no longer valid? 12:15:59 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16:53 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:17:21 ideally, sure 12:23:14 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:23:58 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:38 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:57 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:51 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Client Quit] 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(Vaults:1) 13:29:47 so it looks like some of the recent layout stuff has somehow broken sprint 13:30:25 in that sprint tries to generate a d:27 or something instead of placing the sprint map? 13:30:34 or... something 13:31:54 -!- Yen_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35:04 demonblade the Phalangite (L10 MfBe) ASSERT(you.depth <= brdepth[you.where_are_you]) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 268 failed on turn 1554. (Vaults:1) 13:36:05 MarvinPA: that might be due to Grunt's patch 13:36:25 mumra: you get a lua error about hyperv often 13:37:33 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:58 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:05 elliott: lua error should be fixed shortly on rebuild 13:38:23 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:38:26 :( 13:38:32 or will that not ruin it 13:38:32 but, i think there's another problem 13:38:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-252-gaf6a146 (34) 13:38:48 -!- ryansee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:48 -!- Thalfon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:48 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:52 -!- Blade-_ is now known as Blade- 13:41:24 Grunt: are you around? 13:41:41 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42:51 Grunt's patch included a change to do with DEPTH and PLACE 13:43:29 hmm, i think maybe i know what's happening 13:44:43 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-252-gaf6a146: Add missing include 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af6a1469102a 13:44:45 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 13:45:28 -!- dcssrubot869 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:29 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-252-gaf6a146 (34) 13:53:23 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-254-ga95e324 (34) 13:54:50 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-253-g8073b7f: Don't randomly select Jester as a background 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8073b7f30872 13:55:03 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:11 madreisz the Ducker (L2 FeFE) ASSERT(you.depth <= brdepth[you.where_are_you]) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 268 failed on turn 433. (Vaults:1) 13:55:47 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:57:03 s-z sprint is fixed, waiting for cao 13:59:55 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-254-ga95e324: Prevent D:27 vaults showing up in Sprint 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a95e3249a8f5 14:04:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:46 MarvinPA: I guess because Sprint is at the bottom of its branch 14:05:23 probably zotdef has the same problem 14:05:37 so, uh, anyone with dgamelaunch advice? 14:05:43 or had 14:05:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-254-ga95e324 (34) 14:06:32 |amethyst: how do you set up dgamelaunch for crawl? rast wants to know. 14:07:10 greensnark also 14:07:22 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 14:09:07 -!- dcssrubot476 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:10 SamB: yes that's why it happened, Grunt's patch added PLACE: D:$ to all the D:27 encompass vaults 14:27:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:28:12 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:30:50 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:43:54 * Grunt peeks in. 14:44:28 I'm at work, but is everything working now? 14:44:54 (out for lunch before anyone asks) 14:46:46 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:48:10 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:49:12 mumra: pong 14:51:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:58:14 hi 14:58:21 it's ok, sorted now 14:58:48 there was an issue with sprint placing D:27 vaults and i suspected it was something in your patch 15:00:03 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:59 it might be worth looking into to check there aren't other obscure ways it can happen 15:01:22 but basically PLACE: D:$ was the culprit, changing it to PLACE: D:27 fixed sprint anyway 15:01:58 -!- Havvy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:01 but sprint was highly amusing for a while before i fixed it :) 15:02:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:09:43 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:01 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 15:16:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:16:56 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:58 -!- kek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:46 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:54 -!- kek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:02 mumra: huh, so how come zotdef hasn't had this problem with Zot:$ vaults? 15:21:39 -!- MrRogers is now known as Guest60920 15:22:41 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:03 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:17 -!- kek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:01 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:36 because there aren't any? 15:25:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:26 SamB: it probably did, just nobody was playing it at the time 15:26:36 <|amethyst> Eronarn: /*-+ 15:26:42 <|amethyst> Eronarn: oops 15:28:06 or maybe zotdef works differently 15:28:26 * SamB thinks Zannick's answer is more likely, since either there have been PLACE: Zot:$ vaults for a while or there haven't been, they weren't just added there by Grunt's patch 15:29:57 SamB: does zotdef count as Zot or D though? 15:30:05 Zot 15:30:19 used to be recolored D, but someone eventually changed it 15:30:42 well, there aren't any Zot:$ vaults so i guess it wasn't affected 15:30:45 maybe it's still recolored 15:31:14 -!- kek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:58 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:37 oh, yeah, the one I was thinking of is PLACE: Zot:5 15:35:15 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:39:16 -!- dcssrubot495 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:13 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:47:21 -!- Chozo has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:47:56 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:33 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:50:28 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:52:17 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: frustrated like a 13 year old in a brisk wind.] 15:53:17 Blackmore the Ninja (L23 SpAs) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 603: enter_abyss didn't get generated on turn 81826. 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[2013-04-08 22:33:13] Bolas the Archer (L8 CeHu) ? (D:6) 17:34:22 !lm Bolas crash -log 17:34:23 35. Bolas, XL8 CeHu, T:5890 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Bolas/crash-Bolas-20130408-223313.txt 17:34:37 -!- scrubnub has quit [Client Quit] 17:39:08 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 17:39:46 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:41:28 -!- alefury|2 has quit [] 17:43:00 -!- deathshade has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:32 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:45:51 <|amethyst> !tell rast I have the beginnings of instructions at http://dobrazupa.org/setting-up-dgamelaunch-and-webtiles 17:45:51 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rast know. 17:46:08 thanks 17:46:09 rast: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:46:29 <|amethyst> rast: there's a lot missing there 17:46:51 i dont suppose theres a script to do all those things... 17:47:53 03kilobyte 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-78-g9b0a375: Make undead frogs 'z', as planned. 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b0a3759885a 17:47:53 03MarvinPA 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-79-gf96bf6b: Add back a Xom message 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f96bf6beaa41 17:47:55 <|amethyst> rast: no... I kind of intended to write one when I did it a second time (on CAO), but then the chroot already existed so it wasn't the same 17:48:57 i was looking at this one, but 17:48:59 https://github.com/greensnark/dgamelaunch-crawl/blob/master/dgl-create-chroot 17:49:04 seems to be for nh 17:49:58 <|amethyst> yeah, I used debootstrap to create the chroot then made the ncessary directories in the chroot 17:50:18 <|amethyst> the necessary directories aren't listed in that document; you'll have to read the dgamelaunch config for that 17:51:25 * geekosaur thinks there is not a lot in that script that is nethack-specific 17:52:00 the variable dirs need to be adjusted, the rest should work as is 17:52:17 well, the whole playground part, really 17:53:07 so just the config section? 17:53:40 <|amethyst> at the very least there's /crawl-master/, /dgldir/, /dgldir/inprogress, /dgldir/inprogress/* (one per launcher in your dgl config), /dgldir/morgue, /dgldir/rcfiles/*, /dgldir/ttyrec 17:54:04 <|amethyst> Hm 17:54:34 <|amethyst> I'm not sure how much of that script you'll be able to use 17:54:44 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:18 <|amethyst> it also has various nethack references further down 17:55:48 I see strings and varnames but the functionality is largely the same no matter what binary you're working with 17:55:49 <|amethyst> and handling multiple crawl versions means it's a little too simple in places 18:00:03 <|amethyst> let's see, other things (if you're using the cszo dgamelaunch-config)... /dgldir/data/crawl-{0.10,0.11,0.12,git}-settings hold the "settings" directories from the appropriate version (and are I believe updated by the rebuild stuff); /crawl-master/webtiles holds the webtiles config 18:00:29 <|amethyst> You can build with /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-stable 0.11 ; /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-trunk 18:00:40 <|amethyst> once it's all set up anyway 18:01:22 /quit 18:01:24 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:02:31 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:04:14 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:05:01 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:16:49 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:17:21 i dont really care about multiple versions.. 18:18:04 -!- Grimalkin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:18:14 lair branch unplaced by rchandra 18:20:40 |amethyst: i have a question aboutthe very first step: ""with their associated user groups." 18:20:51 i have no idea what groups those users should be in 18:21:06 rast: I think that means groups with the same name as the users 18:23:53 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:03 do i need to give them passwords now? 18:24:46 -!- Guest60920 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:54 -!- Grimalkin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:13 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:29 -!- MrRogers is now known as Guest84423 18:25:46 -!- Guest84423 has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:30 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:26:50 hmm, can't you just give them passwords at such time as it seems necessary to have passwords? 18:30:41 fair enough 18:31:16 debootstrap is giving me prroblems... 18:31:26 pi@raspberrypi /home $ sudo debootstrap stable /home/crawl/DGL/ 18:31:27 I: Retrieving Release 18:31:29 W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg 18:31:30 E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-armhf/Packages 18:32:08 Spaghetti (L27 NaJr) ASSERT(feat > DNGN_UNSEEN) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 583 failed. (Abyss:5) 18:33:04 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:33:30 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:35:13 <|amethyst> hm 18:35:28 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:36:01 i will mention that this is on a pi 18:36:28 <|amethyst> oh, stable doesn't have armhf does it? 18:36:30 but its debian 18:36:55 <|amethyst> you'll need unstable or testing (or whichever release you're running on the host) 18:37:54 <|amethyst> (debootstrap isn't essential, but it's the easiest way I know to make the chroot) 18:38:06 <|amethyst> This might be useful: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatChroot 18:38:12 <|amethyst> anyway, gtg for a bit, good luck 18:38:19 this seems to be working: sudo debootstrap --no-check-gpg unstable /home/crawl/DGL/ 18:38:21 and thanks 18:39:22 -!- scummos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:27 -!- dcssrubot99 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:44:48 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:34 rast: you probably want to use "wheezy": unstable is meant for dev systems, the keyword "testing" will switch to jessie after wheezy is finalized 18:48:17 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:30 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:48 ok ill try that... unstable hung at the "Validating Packages" step 18:50:52 -!- Isaiah_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:51:59 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:54 hmm, now wheezy is stuck at validating packages... maybe this step is meant to take a while 18:53:12 considering pi's speed, that's likely 18:53:42 probably doesnt help that im recompiling crawl in the other terminal... 18:54:07 hah 18:54:52 i did: make USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y 18:54:54 hope that was right 18:54:56 who needs cycles anyway 18:56:43 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:50 if you want a fast armhf box: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php 18:57:28 well its my brothers pi that he wasnt using... he has a better internet connection 18:57:47 wow thats neat 18:58:57 that $89 is fake, though, same as pi's $25/$35: "optional" accessories double the cost, then there's shipping 18:59:48 * Grunt returns. 18:59:55 and it has a big fat downside: needs a monitor with exactly vertical resolution of exactly 720 or 1080 (there's not a word of warning) 18:59:59 Oh, are we getting another server? 19:00:05 heh 19:00:06 but otherwise it's a sweet piece of hardware 19:00:13 Thanks rast!!!! 19:00:14 <_< 19:00:35 it remains to be seen if im even able to set it up 19:01:00 but im sure xom will find it hilarious to see how many users a pi can support at once 19:01:06 im guessing single digits 19:01:11 I'd look into |amethyst's new setup, old-style DGL takes a lot of effort to setup 19:01:40 yeah he said http://dobrazupa.org/setting-up-dgamelaunch-and-webtiles and im making my way through it 19:01:59 but was i right to do 19:02:01 make USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y 19:02:02 ? 19:02:03 I briefly hosted a webtiles one (it doesn't require setup), like 4 people connected at once and no one mentioned it being slow 19:02:13 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:02:14 uh what 19:02:20 webtiles doesnt need setup? 19:03:00 you can run it even straight from the build dir; that's not a sane setup for a public server of course 19:03:12 webtiles only, of course 19:03:31 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:03:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:57 oh so i could literally do just 19:04:02 ./crawl & 19:04:35 webserver/server.py 19:04:54 oh. my mind is blown 19:05:04 i didnt realize that was already built in 19:05:26 any security problem and your box gets pwned, though 19:05:43 so the smart thing is to... setup the chroot jail anyway? 19:05:53 yeah 19:05:55 or can a non-root user run it OK? 19:06:15 i dont mind if someone pwns a non root account 19:08:20 I'd at very least put some serious restrictions, like firewalling away outgoing connections, and not letting that user use up disk space 19:08:41 which really means at least a chroot, or preferably something bigger 19:09:27 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:11:18 -!- eb has quit [] 19:11:43 so... i need to have him forward port 443? any others? 19:11:56 maybe 80? 19:12:05 (its behind a firewall) 19:12:43 it's :8080 by default, I think 19:12:57 incoming only 19:16:31 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:10 !tell mumra I forgot to merge my wrath patch huh? 19:17:11 bh: OK, I'll let mumra know. 19:17:12 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 19:18:42 whatever happened to mephitic clouds or whatever not auto-IDing rPois? 19:23:24 -!- magistern_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:25:33 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:33:13 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:18 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:35:28 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:37:12 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:38:10 ImportError: No module named tornado.httpserver 19:38:48 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:48 oh nm 19:42:50 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:52 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:56 Evaporate is removed, right? 19:44:09 "That item can't be selected now." instead of the failure reason by KiloByte 19:48:27 ugh now im getting other webtiles errors... 19:48:53 http://pastebin.com/ws7XYfzs 19:49:00 socket.error: [Errno 97] Address family not supported by protocol 19:53:58 hm. hard to tell with only that information, but that can happen if it's binding to e.g. localhost by name, and getting ::1 (ipv6) from the name lookup, then trying to use that with ipv4 19:54:19 that's a somewhat common linux misconfiguration 19:55:10 suggestions? 19:55:21 for fixing it... im not good with linux 19:55:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:18 oh, i guess i have to at least rebuild with WEBTILES=y 19:59:19 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-255-g3bf401a: Remove the cTele mutation 10(2 hours ago, 6 files, 10+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bf401ab9629 19:59:19 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-256-g7c65abd: Make the ring of teleport control's effect evokable instead of passive 10(64 minutes ago, 14 files, 38+ 39-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c65abd9b5f0 19:59:19 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-257-g5681569: End teleport control duration after a controlled blink or teleport 10(37 minutes ago, 3 files, 18+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5681569f179d 19:59:19 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-258-gff652d7: Make controlled teleports take longer to go off 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 14+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff652d769188 19:59:19 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-259-gb2c3222: Update descriptions for cTele changes 10(24 minutes ago, 3 files, 15+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2c322241603 20:00:38 i dont like any of those, Cheibriados :( 20:02:20 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 20:04:42 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:05:00 rast, if it's what I cited then the easiest fix is to edit /etc/hosts and make sure 127.0.0.1 is listed before ::1 for localhost 20:06:40 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:41 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:07:10 * SamB wonders what MarvinPA's done for zotdef 20:08:47 * SamB also notices that MarvinPA hasn't answered about SInv and resists 20:09:32 -!- dcssrubot921 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:54 ty geekosaur ill try that and lyk 20:15:04 "Zotdef characters still keep their intrinsic cTele." 20:15:18 and their teleports are instant anyway 20:16:11 i certainly wouldn't be opposed to identifying other jewellery on equip but those at least have some sort of actual real requirement for identifying them, the ones i changed didn't 20:18:01 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:18:53 although clearly rpois causes issues as it is currently 20:19:39 could just id every item on use/equip 20:19:41 quite possibly making it auto-id would be simpler than handling every case where the player can figure out that it's rpois, which is what is needed currently 20:19:48 use for a wand being using one charge 20:23:23 right, scrolls and wands are pretty close to always use-iding anyway, i'd definitely be in favour of making them always id on use 20:24:02 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:59 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:15 -!- Ur-Quan has quit [Quit: Off to get my forcefield and my battle thralls.] 20:27:14 scrolls: (id/enchant armour/recharging), amnesia, remove curse, curse foo 20:27:19 TheProvocateur (L18 OgCK) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 603: enter_hell didn't get generated. (D:21) 20:28:05 wands: healing, digging, resistables 20:28:39 7 wands can be resisted, which is around half 20:30:31 nobody aims wands at stuff that will resist to id them though :P 20:30:40 self-zap also works 20:31:44 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:47 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31:48 ??wand identification[2] 20:31:48 wand identification[2/2]: The most common strategy to identify wands is to zap a weak, low-MR natural monster with a wall behind it. If it resists, try again. 20:32:14 elliott: a lot of folks seem to prefer the risk of hasting over wasting charges from every wand, and id them on something dangerous 20:32:17 "use up a charge on a rat" seems no more interesting and a lot more annoying than "use up a charge" 20:33:07 ive started doing self zap a lot lately 20:33:17 but you need to drop scrolls and options 20:33:21 *potions 20:33:23 also spoilery etc, yes 20:34:23 and people could still save their charge by zapping hydras with unidentified polymorph if they really wanted to for some reason 20:34:27 the other thing to consider is artefacts 20:34:36 like artefact jewellery and stuff 20:34:52 also weapons I guess 20:35:05 seems weird that weapon and armour artefacts id on wear but jewels don't 20:35:38 MarvinPA: I meant about reducing the juggling needed to ID SInv and resists, actually 20:36:46 elliott: artefact jewellery should be working pretty well now 20:37:44 and as far as I know the jewellery was the only thing that was that broken 20:38:35 * elliott isn't speaking of brokenness, just complexity of id behaviour 20:38:46 SamB: right, well as i pointed out that is distinct from what was required for rings of invisibility etc, which is why i didn't change everything at once 20:39:10 actually, there's no reason to artefact properties to auto-id on weapon and armour, except for the general suckage of the identify minigame 20:39:13 but again, i'd be totally fine with all jewellery iding on equip 20:39:47 it seems especially silly with SInv 20:40:22 an issue with scrolls: if we'd make them auto-id on use, you should strip before read-iding scrolls to render the three curse foo scrolls harmless 20:40:31 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 20:41:02 solution: remove item curses! 20:41:04 I mean, that you can't ID SInv except when there's something invisible to try it on makes sense 20:41:20 that you have to have no other un-IDed jewellery not so much 20:41:25 yes lets just remove everything interesting about the game 20:41:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:42:14 ##crawl is that way 20:42:20 rast: what's interesting about item curses? 20:42:30 the scroll id minigame 20:43:01 rast: is the ID subgame really that interesting? 20:43:10 on its own, maybe not 20:43:23 but if you remove everything in crawl thats in nethack you aren't left with much 20:43:36 I'm not trying to do that 20:44:17 kilobyte: I'm confused 20:44:20 I'm just trying to get rid of the "take jewellery off just to see which is giving SInv" 20:44:24 kilobyte: how is there are difference for curse foo? 20:44:28 *there a 20:44:32 the id subgame is interesting because at first you cant afford to id everything so you have to choose which to prioritise 20:44:50 you still wouldn't be able to cancel the targetting screen or such when you read a scroll 20:44:55 i.e. you have to actually spend a scroll to id it 20:45:04 elliott: yes but you don't curse your gear 20:45:13 and choose whether to use-id something now (basically wasting one of it) or wait until later when you have enough ?ID 20:45:16 SamB: that applies equally to the current system, AFAICT 20:45:30 rast: are you reading any of the proposed mechanics? that is exactly what they are trying to preserve 20:45:44 so I don't see why you're saying any of this, especially not silly nethack comparisons... 20:45:47 elliott: where? 20:45:50 with the current system, don't you need some gear to get cursed in order to ID the "curse foo"? 20:46:02 try re-reading 20:46:05 like, all of it 20:46:49 SamB: oh, i see. the point is that you get a free id of curse foo if you do that. 20:46:52 but there are drawbacks 20:46:53 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:58 enchant weapon will not enchant a weapon you aren't wielding 20:47:07 so you waste it if you're trying to identify curse foo like that 20:47:13 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:47:27 IMO a lost enchantment (and there are 3 EW scrolls so you'll lose a few) is more valuable than saving a curse, since remove curse is so common 20:47:40 elliott: probably so 20:47:41 and the same adjustment could be made to enchant armour if it's considered a problem 20:47:47 (though that could be irritating) 20:47:55 that would make it harder to ID though 20:50:06 MarvinPA: anyway, I'm talking about misc.cc:_maybe_id_jewel() 20:50:56 the part where it calculates num_unknown and then doesn't ID anything if that doesn't come out to 1 20:51:19 ah, i assumed you meant more generally 20:52:01 in which case yeah, that should probably change regardless 20:52:29 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:44 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:26 -!- ontoclasm1 is now known as ontoclasm 20:53:40 frost giant (12C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 79-124 | AC/EV: 9/3 | Dam: 35 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 02cold++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2380 | Sp: b.cold (3d25) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:53:40 %??frost giant 20:53:46 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 68-120 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2054 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:53:46 %??fire giant 20:54:19 wrong channel? 20:54:26 MarvinPA: if we're removing that, I guess we should also remove the checks that bail if you have some property without un-IDed items? 20:54:38 -!- johlstei_ is now known as johlstei 20:55:16 like for clarity and such? yeah, i'd say so at least 20:56:25 so was that an unqualified "yes, remove"? 20:56:39 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:56:46 as far as i'm concerned, yep :P 21:01:23 !tell mumra should we include the D:27 optimizations in 0.12? 21:01:24 SamB: OK, I'll let mumra know. 21:01:34 reaper (152) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 56-96 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1553 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 21:01:34 %??reaper 21:02:12 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:03:19 SamB: I'd say it might be not worth it: few people get to D:27, the servers can handle it just fine 21:03:32 yeah, probably 21:03:59 CSZO is certainly quite speedy 21:04:38 -!- ZipZipskins has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:05:28 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:05:38 even if not, a second of single core's time is peanuts considered to processor power spent doing everything else 21:06:26 i love invisibility 21:07:09 yeah, and I think users can stand to sit and think for a second while they wait 21:07:40 though, on my system I bet it takes a bit more than just one second 21:07:47 not that I'm ever going to get there 21:08:43 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:02 a second on a seven years old amd64 box 21:09:22 -!- yalue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:35 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:10:29 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 21:16:05 -!- BasedOnOprah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:22:51 -!- OminousNom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:25:32 -!- sbanwart has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:33:17 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:37:13 -!- Naphistim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:38:28 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:39:37 -!- dcssrubot256 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:12 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:10 -!- Dedagen has quit [Client Quit] 21:46:15 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:31 hello! i have a question about vaults. i'm making vaults, for vaults, and it seems like the vaults_orient_ tags aren't working right 21:49:51 if i have a vault that has vaults_orient_n and vaults_orient_s it still places doors on the other sides, it seems 21:52:13 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:52:33 -!- MIKEE_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:25 mumra: pong 21:59:39 (you're probably the only person who understands the underpinnings of those tags ;b) 21:59:48 is that how to summon mumra 21:59:52 do i need to do a burnt offering 22:00:00 nicolae-: you mean vaults for Vaults? 22:00:04 *inscribes a pentagram in the floor and lights some black candles just to be safe* 22:00:05 yes 22:00:16 A mumra appears! It doesn't seem very happy. 22:00:38 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:38 are you sure it's a mumra? 22:00:45 I'm not sure I've seen one like that before 22:00:51 check the learndb 22:01:04 ??mumra 22:01:05 I don't have a page labeled mumra in my learndb. 22:01:26 it's 5am in mumra land 22:01:37 some folk have sane sleep patterns 22:01:41 s/folk/folks/ 22:01:46 what are those folk doing on the devteam 22:01:56 good question :p 22:02:03 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:02:06 okay, how do i leave a message for him 22:02:08 we didn't remember to ask about that? 22:02:48 you say "!tell mumra ", except obviously that's a pretty stupid message 22:03:05 !tell mumra 22:03:05 elliott: OK, I'll let mumra know. 22:03:22 elliott: ... 22:03:35 it's SamB's fault! 22:03:36 !tell mumra is there a bug with the vaults_orient_ tags in Vaults vaults, when i try a vault with vaults_orient_n and vaults_orient_s it still places doors along the other two sides 22:03:36 nicolae-: OK, I'll let mumra know. 22:11:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:11:50 -!- minqmay is now known as MINQMAY 22:12:15 -!- MINQMAY is now known as MINMAY 22:12:39 -!- MINMAY is now known as MINQMAY 22:12:58 -!- MINQMAY has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:03 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:15 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:28 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:54 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:21:01 -!- MIKEE_ is now known as capablanca 22:21:04 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:22:30 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:24:25 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:24:37 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:34:32 MarvinPA: having to watch Xom's mood before self-banishment seems spoily to me. Perhaps banishment reverts should apply only to outside sources? 22:35:04 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:08 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 22:43:30 Courtney (L12 DsBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2570 failed. (D (Sprint)) 22:43:35 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:45:33 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 22:46:53 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:04 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 22:49:43 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49:43 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 22:50:12 wikipedia page for [la roux]: "Jackson [says the band is] 'very much a half and half sharing situation ... thought it may [look like a solo act]'" ... [elly jackson] has her own page. [ben langmaid] is a redirect to [la roux] 22:50:27 o god wrong channel 22:51:33 -!- whimbrel has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:52:46 I apologize in advance for this question, but I was looking for the OSX version of the .13 build (0.13-a0-115-gf85877e) which the forums say is the latest and greatest, but it's not to be found here:http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/index.html 22:52:51 Is there a different place to look? 22:53:02 deep elf priest (03e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 15-30 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 9 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 136 | Sp: pain (d10), cantrip, minor healing, smiting (7-17), twisted resurrection | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:53:02 %??deep elf priest 22:53:47 whimbrel: it is only available online or if you compile it yourself; the trunk builds are of the 0.12 alpha for testing purposes 22:54:52 elliot -- thanks. I was looking for a more recent osx build than early january. Guess I'm off to download xcode! 22:55:37 huh, I get asked to confirm *twice* if I target myself for fire ball ... 22:55:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:41 er. 22:55:43 fire storm 22:55:43 actually, it is there 22:56:27 whimbrel: there's a build from April 2 22:56:33 -!- Sysice has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:57:13 stupid website 22:57:34 kilobyte -- really? Am I just completely retarded? Or is it somewhere besides: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/index.html 22:57:34 ? 22:57:45 whimbrel: no, the website is the retarded one 22:59:31 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:59:49 mac nightlies are down as the machine that has been doing them has broken down, greatzebu did a build manually 23:00:45 SamB -- it's possible that both the website *and* I are retarded... where can I find the April 2nd build? 23:01:02 kilobyte: where did you see this April 2nd build listed? 23:01:07 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:02:54 Mara (13R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 10/14 | Dam: 30 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7145 | Sp: blink; mislead, b.fire (3d27), mara summon, illusion, pain (d17), teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:02:54 %??mara 23:04:21 SamB: on the disk, and since people mentioned it it must be linked from somewhere 23:04:41 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:57 kilobyte: not necessarily 23:05:31 whimbrel: try taking the latest link you do find on that page and substituting that version string for the one one you'll see in the URL 23:07:01 kilobyte: when I looked on sunday or so the page didn't have *any* 0.13 builds listed *at all* 23:07:12 either page, really 23:07:17 SamB - that's shockingly clever. And worked. 23:07:20 -!- CampinSam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:19 SamB: people wouldn't know the hash of build that happened, at least 23:08:33 <|amethyst> it's in the RSS feed 23:08:37 yeah, I did the same thing to download a build with jesters in to give my sister to try at some point 23:08:37 <|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/rss/crawl_tiles_osx.php 23:08:40 RSS feed 23:08:43 huh 23:08:56 how fiendish 23:09:17 <|amethyst> and maybe was announced by gretell? 23:09:42 -!- dcssrubot622 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:47 such an announcement is how I found the string to use for my download, certainly 23:10:21 Thank you for your help! Off to play 23:12:32 -!- whimbrel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:36 Don't die too soon-- 23:12:37 ..curses. 23:13:51 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0a2/20130405004016]] 23:14:12 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:15:53 -!- BloodDrum has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:26 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-260-ge6c8365: Don't let Xom revert banishment due to distortion unwield. 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6c8365457b1 23:20:00 -!- frobop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:31 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-261-g7ad5283: Move a couple of vaults from incorrect files to correct files. 10(37 minutes ago, 2 files, 47+ 46-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ad528383898 23:21:31 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-262-gc0b5805: A couple of vault fixes and tweaks. 10(31 minutes ago, 3 files, 11+ 14-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0b58055ffd8 23:21:31 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-263-gc682783: Open the 0.13 vault season like a pillowcase!!! 10(11 minutes ago, 4 files, 418+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c682783254b6 23:21:32 Cherry-picked 2 commits into stone_soup-0.12 23:22:06 hmm im still getting socket.error: [Errno 97] Address family not supported by protocol 23:22:27 from webserver/server.py 23:24:44 <|amethyst> rast: what is your bind_address ? 23:24:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:04 i dont even know where to look for that... 23:25:13 <|amethyst> in your webtiles config 23:25:43 config.py 23:25:50 and there is none... that would explain it 23:25:56 what should i use? 23:26:11 <|amethyst> is your current still the default? 23:26:18 <|amethyst> bind_address = "" 23:26:26 yeah 23:26:39 should i use external ip, local network ip, localhost... 23:26:53 <|amethyst> external IP if you want it to be available externally 23:26:55 <|amethyst> or 0.0.0.0 23:27:01 <|amethyst> (meaning all addresses) 23:27:06 <|amethyst> in quotes 23:27:22 the external ip is a little bit dynamic so yeah 23:27:23 hanks 23:27:43 <|amethyst> I thought empty string meant the same as 0.0.0.0 but I've not tried it without setting that 23:27:49 <|amethyst> edlothiol would know 23:27:56 and now a different error! 23:28:02 socket.gaierror: [Errno -2] Name or service not known 23:28:20 File "webserver/server.py", line 189, in 23:28:22 servers = bind_server() 23:28:23 File "webserver/server.py", line 122, in bind_server 23:28:25 server.listen(bind_port, bind_address) 23:28:27 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/tornado/tcpserver.py", line 113, in listen 23:28:28 sockets = bind_sockets(port, address=address) 23:28:30 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/tornado/netutil.py", line 67, in bind_sockets 23:28:31 0, flags)): 23:28:50 -!- danharaj has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:13 <|amethyst> what is the line from your config exactly? 23:29:43 wtf i thought i changed it 23:30:12 <|amethyst> holy shit a lighter just exploded on me 23:30:16 ok im dumb 23:30:19 <|amethyst> I guess I need to quit smoking 23:30:32 it seems to be working.... 23:30:38 <|amethyst> cool 23:30:40 |amethyst: they can *do* that? 23:30:57 <|amethyst> SamB: the cheap-ass ones can 23:31:06 http://crawl.us.to:8080/#lobby 23:31:09 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:31:18 <|amethyst> SamB: and the shell is really cold 23:31:56 wow its so slow to load 23:32:37 nobody ever said it was a *good* idea to run webtiles on an RPi 23:33:18 ugh now it has all these pictures... where is my ascii? ;) 23:33:24 press f10 23:33:27 hehehe 23:33:28 this is pretty sweet though 23:33:51 -!- caleba has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:50 <|amethyst> (just to clarify, when I said "explode" I meant "rapidly decompressed"; there was no fire) 23:37:07 <|amethyst> s/ssed/ss/ 23:37:11 The room rumbles around |amethyst! |amethyst shudders. 23:37:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:50 thanks |amethyst 23:41:12 |amethyst: what i imagined was far more dramatic :( 23:45:47 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:46:09 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:05 -!- dcssrubot557 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52:05 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:53:33 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:16 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:58:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:59:32 I have some thoughts about a new set of portal vaults. I'm kicking around calling it a grotto, cave, something along those lines. The basic gist is a smuggler's hideout filled with kobolds, goblins, and gnolls since they tend to get typecast into the thuggish band trope. Just looking to get any initial thoughts anyone may have before I put any earnest work into creating it for submission.