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-!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:16 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:40 Thanks to starcursed masses, it is now terribly unlikely that a player will survive entering the Abyss at a low XL. 05:58:51 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:28 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:31 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-189-ga649273: Replace an outdated comment. 10(31 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6492733fd26 06:00:31 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-190-gb94b16d: Make #ifdefs for removed needle brands reflect reality. 10(31 hours ago, 2 files, 10+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b94b16dfd3e0 06:00:31 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-191-gd9f983b: Remove removed items from vaults. 10(31 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9f983b8c770 06:01:33 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:05:14 syraine: maybe they shouldn't appear on low abyss 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(0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe 12:14:13 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-191-gd9f983b (34) 12:19:28 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 12:20:05 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:22:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:18 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 12:32:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:10 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:21 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 12:50:09 Dragon corpses can generate curse-branded hides by NekoRex 12:52:45 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:56:54 -!- dcssrubot22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:23 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:11 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:02:55 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 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Xom?) for being the first player to crash their game with each distinct assertion message 13:33:36 <|amethyst> maybe not :) 13:34:51 hehehe 13:36:32 how about remove the "first" distinction, and just allow each player as many banners as distinct assertions, and also mark it as a joke ;-P 13:36:35 Prize for the most distinct assert messages? 13:37:55 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:37 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:41:46 prize for entering wizmode 13:41:52 (you have to hack an admin account or be mudo) 13:43:35 cursed hides are nonsense, right? since you wouldn't be able to get them off the corpse... 13:45:12 well, I mean, getting a cursed hide from a corpse is nonsense; obviously there's nothing to prevent it getting cursed later ... 13:46:14 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-192-gf6bc039: Fix Mantis 6884: Manually uncurse hides after creating them. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6bc039aa455 13:46:14 03dolorous 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-60-ge4043b6: Fix Mantis 6884: Manually uncurse hides after creating them. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4043b6ac42a 13:46:16 <|amethyst> Maybe the dragon worshipped ashenzari? 13:46:39 oh, dolorous seems to have fixed it already 13:46:48 anyway I was gonna say I suspected: 13:47:02 !git 25201dfa28d027242ea029be72971d0bb78aece4 13:47:13 %git 25201dfa28d027242ea029be72971d0bb78aece4 13:47:15 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-2985-g25201df: Go through normal item creation for hide drops. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 16+ 24-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25201dfa28d0 13:47:47 * SamB still isn't sure which of those prefixes actually worked 13:48:26 <|amethyst> percent 13:48:44 <|amethyst> chei uses % for everything (as does sizzell, except for !cszo 13:49:23 !cszo 13:49:23 flaco (L27 @ Pan, T:68487), gammafunk (L26 @ Shoals:5, T:83527), frobop (L25 @ Shoals:4, T:88383), 78291 (L24 @ Shoals:2, T:73715), hjklyubn (L23 @ D:20, T:80814), Strat (L20 @ D:24, T:46919), faz (L20 @ Crypt:2, T:54169), Kintak (L16 @ D:21, T:36273), Implojin (L15 @ Vaults:4, T:11013), LordLovebone (L15 @ D:16, T:44141), ryansee (L14 @ D:14, T:40641), svendre (L14 @ Lair:8, T:27488), Gannicus (L13 @ Lair:7, T:13551.. 13:49:26 Neat. 13:49:31 I didn't know that existed. 13:49:33 <|amethyst> !cao 13:49:35 <|amethyst> !cdo 13:49:41 <|amethyst> oh, hm 13:49:52 <|amethyst> I was sure Gretell at least had that 13:49:59 Killerpretzel (L27 @ Lair:1, T:166212), Napkin (L23 @ Spider:5, T:84111), jeanjacques (L19 @ Vaults:4, T:32613), DavionFuxa (L18 @ Vault:3, T:71089), eisfeuer (L17 @ D:15, T:37799), Vortex (L15 @ D:13, T:37357), Leibowitz (L13 @ D:12, T:20653), karaelmas (L13 @ Lair:4, T:32099), Corin (L12 @ D (Sprint), T:2281), Fleurka (L12 @ D:13, T:22512), elethiomel (L12 @ Lair:5, T:17962), SkaryMonk (L11 @ D:12, T:19881), Montag.. 13:50:00 <|amethyst> did I add it myself? 13:50:11 Gretell evidently has lag 13:50:17 <|amethyst> aha 13:50:30 cdo has lag 13:50:41 whatever 13:50:49 apache and webtiles... 13:50:54 <|amethyst> hm 13:50:59 <|amethyst> any idea why? 13:51:20 and that on a i7 CPU @ 2.80GHz 13:51:43 how outdated is the webtiles on CDO? 13:51:59 quite 13:52:07 <|amethyst> it's 0.11.0 isn't it? 13:52:12 yes 13:52:40 <|amethyst> which will, I imagine, be replaced with 0.12.0 once that exists :) 13:52:43 are there any performance bugs there that've been fixed since? 13:53:01 webtiles performance bugs, I mean ... 13:53:13 or is caching set up wrong or something? 13:53:40 or is CDO just radically underpowered 13:54:01 * SamB doesn't know what the other servers have 13:55:20 <|amethyst> CSZO: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31230 @ 3.20GHz (4-core + hyperthreading) 13:55:24 Don't know about performance fixes 13:55:35 But CDO definately has nasty lag spikes on WebTiles 13:55:52 Which is why I play with constant lag on CSZO :) (plus for trunk) 13:56:10 (lag because it's far away) 13:56:38 how much does hyperthreading buy? 13:56:45 imagine you use such a server for more than just playing crawl 13:56:50 I guess it saves context-switching 13:56:53 <|amethyst> CSZO pretends to be 8-core, but that's a VM so I have no idea what it really has 13:56:56 by giving you twice the contexts 13:57:00 i'm so annoyed thinking about shutting down webtiles and other stuff 13:57:12 <|amethyst> SamB: no clue, I haven't tried it without 13:58:10 -!- browncustard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:58:43 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:58:44 just had a crash (in tiles) after killing a vault warden. "range check error". 13:59:10 the kernel decided I can't have hyperthreading years ago for some reason ... 13:59:31 maybe it thinks it'd be a side-channel 14:00:05 though how that could be a side channel with only 256 MiB of RAM I don't know 14:00:26 I think linux blocks it by default because someone came up with a way to have one HT snoop on another 14:00:32 Pelath (L2 TrDK) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:1) 14:01:28 Crash after killing a vault warden (tiles) by Galefury 14:02:30 <|amethyst> oh, whee 14:02:37 <|amethyst> I have a crawl process stuck at 100% 14:02:42 <|amethyst> 5124551h crawl-git-b9bc1 14:02:44 -!- Johnson386 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:02:59 <|amethyst> I don't think that number is right :) 14:04:13 <|amethyst> not even -ABRT would kill it, had to go with -KILL :( 14:05:12 <|amethyst> That git version is from January 14:06:09 -!- kxtells has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:50 Can the same player have two processes? Or did that guy just stop playing 14:07:19 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:28 <|amethyst> I suspect that person hasn't been able to play on CSZO since january 14:07:38 <|amethyst> I didn't see who it was :( 14:11:13 -!- kxtells has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:38 -!- kxtells25 has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:51 -!- kxtells25 has quit [Client Quit] 14:14:13 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:59 -!- dcssrubot41 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:03 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:16 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:28:59 -!- browncustard has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:23 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 14:31:52 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-193-g4ce97f6: Fix Mantis 6862: Reword cloud trap message. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ce97f679a6b 14:31:52 03dolorous 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-61-g2eacc05: Fix Mantis 6862: Reword cloud trap message. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2eacc0542ed8 14:31:52 03kilobyte 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-62-g80e66a7: Remove removed items from vaults. 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=80e66a7950fa 14:33:44 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:40 |amethyst: that wasn't very responsible 14:42:28 any idea why _create_monster_hide() doesn't pass true for dont_place to items() ? 14:42:41 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:32 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:42 do we have an option to auto-nemelex useless items? 14:43:59 !seen DracoOmega 14:43:59 I last saw DracoOmega at Fri Apr 5 06:16:28 2013 UTC (1d 13h 27m 31s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Leaving'. 14:44:03 <|amethyst> SamB: I was thinking "If I kill it, I'll get a crash dump", and didn't unthink that when I switched the command line to -KILL 14:44:09 !tell DracoOmega Were you doing some work on monster AI? 14:44:09 bh: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 14:44:14 -!- Ryansee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:44:22 ah 14:44:53 I don't suppose you tried gdb? 14:45:29 |amethyst: do you know anything about our monster AI? or is it documented somewhere? 14:45:37 <|amethyst> didn't think to do that... shouldn't sysadmin while distracted :) 14:45:54 <|amethyst> bh: all I know is mon-behv.cc 14:46:42 <|amethyst> and I don't know it, I know of it 14:46:57 <|amethyst> and made a small change for M_MAINTAIN_RANGE 14:47:04 Stalker is a randomly selectable class with * by Kyrris 14:47:44 we could call it an easter egg 14:48:36 we could remove Stalkers. 14:49:19 I can see the patch title now: "Remove gimmick classes", dropping HOPr, Jesters and Stalkers 14:50:01 +1 remove beogh 14:50:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:50:50 * SamB thought he'd heard stalker was removed, was it just really nerfed? 14:51:20 also I like HOPr 14:51:22 when's the last time someone rage quit on the tavern? 14:52:30 bh: how would you remove stalkers exactly 14:53:16 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:53:21 -!- Walker_Z is now known as WalkerBoh 14:53:29 oh. it's so unpopular it's not even on the job list 14:53:43 ??stalker 14:53:44 stalker[1/2]: An assassin who got tired of misplacing his blowgun, so decided to replace it with transmutations. Starts with a dagger, a cloak and a {book of Stalking}. In 0.12 decided to stop existing. 14:55:23 -!- inspector071 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:56:09 -!- Luxivar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:13 fr .12 tourney has a banner and bonus points for the dieselest characters 14:57:18 top 3 14:58:28 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:02:15 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-194-gf8ddb2f: Set dont_place to true when placing hides made from corpses. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8ddb2f9432e 15:02:15 03dolorous 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-63-g019d055: Set dont_place to true when placing hides made from corpses. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=019d05593bc0 15:06:12 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 15:07:56 -!- Duralumin has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:25 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:11:07 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 15:18:12 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:19:43 hmm, I'm thinking of adding -Wmissing-declarations or -Werror=missing-declarations to our default flags 15:20:51 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:22:04 |amethyst, kilobyte: do you think that would be a good idea? 15:22:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:22:33 [everyone else]: feel free to chime in too, I'm just trying to guess at who might be interested ... 15:24:47 hmm, it looks like a lot of us forgot to re-identify after the netsplit/outage yesterday 15:31:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:36:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:39:17 -!- Bomanz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:39:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:39:47 SamB: what change would those flags make? 15:40:52 the idea is to catch any global functions that have no prototypes, since those likely have no reason to be global and may not even need to exist 15:41:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:41:25 or, maybe they are supposed to be global but we forgot to include the corresponding header in the .cc file 15:43:29 mumra: and the -Werror= version would make it fatal, so we can be sure not to miss it 15:44:01 <|amethyst> SamB: but that would mean we'd need an extra forward declaration for every static function 15:44:16 |amethyst: it doesn't apply to static or inline functions 15:44:19 <|amethyst> if there were a way to turn it off for "static" I'd be on board 15:44:20 <|amethyst> oh 15:44:48 <|amethyst> I didn't realise it didn't apply to statics 15:45:06 <|amethyst> sounds good to me, though I don't know about the -Werror= version 15:46:04 <|amethyst> how much does it complain currently? 15:48:08 would anyone object if I tried to make intelligent monsters flank the player rather than bunching up in crowds at bottlenecks? 15:48:28 not too much; the biggest "offendor" is invent.cc so far, and it seems those are non-static because of something to do with templates ... 15:49:26 * SamB realizes he's been manually undoing changes he could have hit "v" to revert 15:49:44 v? is that an emacs thing? 15:49:53 magit, yeah 15:50:16 (magit is an add-on package for emacs) 15:57:04 -!- dcssrubot898 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:36 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:00:14 bh: elliptic would 16:00:21 as this has been brought up 16:00:39 st_: do you recall the objection? 16:04:49 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 16:05:04 i seem recall flanking monsters being tried out and them making the game practically unplayable 16:05:10 to recall* 16:05:25 around the time we got ranged ai monsters 16:07:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:07:55 eith: because the monsters would just slaughter you? 16:08:08 yup, they would come up behind and trap you 16:09:20 hm. if it was using collaborative diffusion, it sounds like the signal didn't decay fast enough 16:09:46 I want to fix cases like monsters getting stuck, or declining to go a couple squares out of their way to kill you 16:10:49 that reminds me, sometimes monsters seem to get confused when they've turned neutral or whatever ... 16:11:32 say, they'll still be trying to get onto the orb's square 16:11:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 16:18:48 <|amethyst> still, something like that could be good for a unique 16:18:51 <|amethyst> or a single monster 16:19:18 <|amethyst> flanking that is 16:19:48 probably for I_GENIUS or something? 16:20:09 what if we gave it to elves? They're very smart. 16:22:20 more general ai improvements do sound good so long as there's a way to turn it up or down 16:22:49 scalablegamedesign.cs.colorado.edu/wiki/Collaborative_Diffusion 16:23:35 you have things like the player emit signals that diffuse over the grid. Monsters could then respond to the signals. Smarter monsters could respond to lower valued signals 16:24:08 <|amethyst> bh: so like sound currently works, but not happening instantaneously? 16:25:18 instanteous has nothing to do with it. The important thing is to make signals respond differently to features on the map. You could have a couple of layers. One that doesn't consider doors, another that ignores clouds, etc. 16:25:50 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 16:27:55 you could also have monsters block diffusion to stop bottle necks. And from evaluation to evaluation you could keep around the old grids so that sounds would 'echo' for a few turns 16:28:23 -!- yalue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:12 -!- jj99 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:29:52 -!- Blazinghand_ is now known as Blazinghand 16:33:26 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-195-gae9976d: Add -Wmissing-declarations to our default CFWARN flags. 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae9976d8119c 16:35:21 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:35:24 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 16:39:51 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:06 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:10 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:52 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45:47 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:04 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 16:47:42 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:36 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52:26 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: absolutego] 16:53:45 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:04:01 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:05:02 -!- Findor has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:31 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:43 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:51 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:13:11 -!- Wehk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:37 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:19:00 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-196-ge8de7e4: Correct missing #include "foo.h" from foo.cc 10(35 minutes ago, 7 files, 13+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8de7e4a1caf 17:19:00 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-197-g20bb4e4: Correct other missing #includes 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20bb4e4a6bfc 17:21:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:25 -!- dcssrubot452 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:48 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:28:44 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:33 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:32:57 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:32 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:33:46 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:18 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:36:18 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 17:38:29 -!- danharaj has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:33 -!- superlag994 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:43:22 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:43:59 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:45:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:48:48 -!- ISAIAH_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:51:29 -!- G-Flex has quit [] 17:51:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:59:51 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:03:26 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:13 -!- clemux has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:12:42 -!- blackcustard has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:12:45 -!- browncustard is now known as blackcustard 18:15:08 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:15:15 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:22 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:26:39 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:56 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:37 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 18:45:30 Yunor the Impregnable (L27 HOPr) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 177 failed on turn 77080. (D:27) 18:45:36 Yunor the Impregnable (L27 HOPr) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 177 failed on turn 77075. (D:27) 18:45:45 Yunor the Impregnable (L27 HOPr) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 177 failed on turn 77081. (D:27) 18:46:06 !lm Yunor crash -log 18:46:07 19. Yunor, XL27 HOPr, T:77081 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Yunor/crash-Yunor-20130406-234545.txt 18:46:49 Yunor the Impregnable (L27 HOPr) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 177 failed on turn 77220. (D:22) 18:47:08 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:16 Yunor the Impregnable (L27 HOPr) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 177 failed on turn 77268. (D:21) 18:49:30 how do you give him a message? 18:49:49 oh, I remember, you spectate 18:49:56 That game already ended, so too late :| 18:50:00 oh 18:50:36 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:50:47 * SamB does think crashing should keep a crash backup 18:51:51 hmm, what's with that .crawlrc bit 18:53:00 also the lua errors really ought to give some context :-( 18:53:57 -!- madSimon has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:54:49 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 18:55:31 -!- dcssrubot916 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:01 oh, the bit about ~/.crawlrc is a dirty lie 19:03:10 initfile.cc doesn't pay any attention to the actual init filename for error message purposes 19:07:58 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:14:59 -!- Isaiah_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:20:27 clear_messages not working in webtiles by battaile 19:26:14 -!- infiniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:07 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:33:28 -!- fooobarrr has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:00 maybe someone in here can help... I have a save that seems not to show up in the main game menu window 19:34:19 but seems to show up in the 'saves' directory 19:34:34 this is in crawl 0.12-a0-2342-ge515698 19:35:11 is there anyway I can go about recovering my saved game? 19:36:46 * SamB wonders if Medar should have more mantis privileges 19:38:39 -!- Isaiah_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:38:47 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:40:03 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:43 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:45:52 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47:01 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:49:36 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-198-g0aa8e06: Make Static Discharge and elec melee consistent with other sources of elec damage 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 5+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0aa8e06d2d49 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-199-g003e058: Fix spacing 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=003e0587dc2f 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-200-gd380f69: Add back a Xom message 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d380f69e7a9b 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-201-gc02ef2a: Remove Jiyva's "food jelly" mutation 10(29 hours ago, 4 files, 6+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c02ef2af8354 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-202-g7b85bd6: Remove some vampire special-casing for the gain stat mutations 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b85bd66d097 19:50:49 03N78291 07* 0.13-a0-203-g0be00f9: Three new Jiyva mutations: disarming tendrils, item detection with a twist and absorbing missiles. 10(29 hours ago, 8 files, 111+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0be00f90ab33 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-204-g72b6bbf: Don't drop missiles on the floor if a jelly mutation already ate them 10(56 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72b6bbf09cd5 19:50:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-205-g57aa865: Don't select Stalker as a random background 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57aa865f6787 19:53:45 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:55:07 oh i think i found a thing without a tile, does the cloak of the thief have a missing tile for evocable fog? 19:56:09 well what happens if you equip it in tiles? 19:56:28 no idea, that's what i'm asking in case anyone has tiles compiled :P 19:56:52 well I have an old version 19:57:43 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:58:07 ... but it crashed on startup ... 19:59:10 i'll compile and take a look 19:59:30 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:02 -!- clemux has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:01:02 the evoc ability icon is just a big question mark 20:01:09 so yeah, seems to be missing 20:01:20 do Stealth+ items improve stabbing? 20:01:33 Medar: thanks 20:01:38 oh, my version is few weeks old actually 20:02:10 well there's nothing in tilepick.cc for it, probably i should've just checked that before 20:05:28 mumra, you did a new Gehenna layout, right? 20:05:39 (in addition to some of the others that were added recently) 20:05:44 -!- Wulfen1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 20:05:57 ...because I'm watching some tiles types insult it in real time, and thought you might want to know :b 20:08:28 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:08:34 Grunt: we should have a way of xoming them. 20:09:19 Clearly we need a secret dev backdoor for games where we can instigate Xom effects on demand. 20:11:06 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-206-gfb3201c: Remove now-inaccurate comment. 10(81 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb3201ca652c 20:12:31 Grunt: Xom thinks this is hilarious! 20:12:46 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:45 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 20:20:34 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:22:13 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:22:47 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:31 -!- ISAIAH_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:24:06 ghost (L9 HaWn) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. (D:8) 20:25:36 -!- dcssrubot355 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:15 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:31:24 initfile.cc uses ~/.crawlrc in error messages regardless of actual init file name by SamB 20:34:20 -!- noobcanoe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:35:43 -!- faz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:58 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36:23 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:38:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:04 hi 20:41:22 Grunt: what were their specific complaints? 20:42:09 (also which layout was it, there were new infiniplex Geh layouts too) 20:42:40 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/Implojin.txt - start at about 38834 20:43:00 Geh:6 I know for sure was one of your layouts; I'm not sure about the rest. 20:44:35 -!- _wh1te has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:50 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:49:28 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:50:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:38 Grunt: i definitely take those guys with a pinch of salt anyway. i'm sure i was speccing another game where they were in chat and one of then was like "Cool, they turned Gehenna into an actual ashen valley" and another one said "Yes, I don't like this because it's different, and I'm scared when things change" 20:53:48 or something very literally along those lines 20:54:00 !tv Implojin 20:54:01 1092. Implojin, XL3 TrDK, T:628 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:55:15 oh hm.. 20:55:30 how do I get the 'killed the minotaur' milestone in footv? 20:55:38 You don't. 20:55:39 hmm, wrong game; i'd still like to see how that Geh:6 generated 20:55:54 Grunt: is there a entered labs milestone? 20:56:01 !lm * lab.exit 20:56:02 Malformed argument: lab.exit 20:56:02 you could probably tv it from the asmodeus kill or something 20:56:03 mumra: !lm implojin -tv:>> 20:56:05 !lm * br.exit=lab 20:56:06 No milestones for * (br.exit=lab). 20:56:09 ... 20:56:10 !tell DracoOmega could you always cherry-pick -x? That's kind of mandatory for this use (rather than for complex rebasing), for several reasons. 20:56:10 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 20:56:13 !lm * br.enter=labyrinth 20:56:14 No milestones for * (br.enter=labyrinth). 20:56:22 !lm * place=labyrinth 20:56:23 36000. [2013-04-07 01:41:04] gnsh the Nimble (L12 MuNe) entered a Labyrinth on turn 26916. (Lair:3) 20:56:26 !lm implojin -tv:>> 20:56:27 6728. Implojin, XL27 TrDK, T:43232 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:56:33 !lm * place=labyrinth x=noun 20:56:34 36000. [2013-04-07 01:41:04] [noun=Lab] gnsh the Nimble (L12 MuNe) entered a Labyrinth on turn 26916. (Lair:3) 20:56:36 !lm * place=labyrinth x=noun,vrb 20:56:36 Unknown field: vrb 20:56:37 !lm * place=labyrinth x=noun,verb 20:56:38 36000. [2013-04-07 01:41:04] [noun=Lab;verb=br.enter] gnsh the Nimble (L12 MuNe) entered a Labyrinth on turn 26916. (Lair:3) 20:56:42 03kilobyte 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-64-g6654d37: Revert "Remove removed items from vaults." 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6654d379f10d 20:56:43 ...right. 20:56:44 !lm * br.exit=Lab 20:56:45 No milestones for * (br.exit=Lab). 20:56:50 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:57:40 !lm bh place=labyrinth 20:57:40 9. [2013-04-05 06:30:52] bh the Covert (L10 SpJr) entered a Labyrinth on turn 13154. (D:11) 20:57:49 !lm bh place=labyrinth -tv 20:57:49 9. bh, XL10 SpJr, T:13154 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:57:59 watch for hilarity :) 20:58:14 bh thinks this is hilarious. 20:58:24 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:58:35 Grunt: more like sad. 20:58:51 bh: you might want to cancel this Implojin game, i think its about 20k turns too early 20:58:56 oy 20:59:00 !lm bh place=labyrinth -tv:>> 20:59:00 9. bh, XL10 SpJr, T:13154 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:59:11 -!- rebthor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:14 !lm implojin -tv:cancel 20:59:15 6729. Implojin, XL27 TrDK, T:44024 (milestone) cancel requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:59:16 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:59:24 !tv -nuke 20:59:25 FooTV playlist clear requested by Grunt. 20:59:35 (queue it up again, bh) 20:59:42 !lm bh place=labyrinth -tv:>> 20:59:42 9. bh, XL10 SpJr, T:13154 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:59:57 elliott: how do i make it not 20k turns too early? ;) (i really need to start figuring out these things) 21:00:12 here comes my first mistake. 21:00:57 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 21:01:14 mumra: good question 21:01:15 !lm implojin 21:01:16 6729. [2013-04-07 01:57:04] Implojin the Wrestler (L27 TrDK) reached level 27 of the Dungeon on turn 44024. (D:27) 21:01:25 !lm implojin br.enter=geh 21:01:26 19. [2013-04-07 00:46:05] Implojin the Wrestler (L27 TrDK) entered Gehenna on turn 38834. (Hell) 21:01:27 it's too late i think 21:01:34 !lm implojin br.enter=geh -tv:>> 21:01:35 19. Implojin, XL27 TrDK, T:38834 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:01:38 * bh fails at exploring mazes 21:02:16 elliott: thanks -- what does the >> actually do? 21:02:40 plays to the end, so you'll need to cancel it after geh :P 21:02:45 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:55 ??listgame 21:02:56 listgame[1/7]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt 21:02:57 ah ok great 21:02:59 comedy gold is coming up! 21:03:02 mumra: plays all of it, not just the milestone 21:03:04 i think that has all the updated tv syntax 21:03:05 >$ is until next save 21:03:46 and I'm the worst player ever. 21:07:25 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:07:42 I found a minor inconsistancy in the LUA make_circle function and made a git commit to fix it (and affected .des file). How do I submit it? 21:07:42 regarding new layouts, are there any in the branch that aren't in trunk yet? i'm just curious if theres any super-experimental stuff that was held back 21:08:47 evilmike: everything is in trunk but some layouts are set to 0 weight until they work properly (mainly a case of optimisation now) 21:09:27 alright, I always use wizmode &P to look at this stuff anyway 21:11:14 -!- Zifmia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:29 layout_layered_grid is one, it can sometimes looks great but sometimes is terrible, depending on how the three layers overwrite 21:12:01 the biggest problem is it has too much of a tendency to produce just a huge room with only a tiny bit of structure 21:12:06 infiniplex: git format-patch can be used to make patch files, it's been a long time since I used it though 21:12:19 I think there's a guide somewhere in the crawl helpfiles 21:12:46 -!- _wh1te has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:13:22 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:28 infiniplex: just open a mantis ticket and attach the patch 21:14:48 evilmike: i meant to have all the rest of the layouts cleaned up much sooner, but i had basically the most hectic week possible (the previous week wasn' 21:14:56 wasn't much simpler!) 21:15:09 yeah i've been super busy lately too 21:15:51 i dont really care if things are messy, I just like looking at new stuff being developed 21:18:51 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:50 cool :) any feedback is great 21:23:02 there is actually a load more experimental stuff that hasn't been committed yet, i really need to get certain things working instead of keep getting distracted by new algorithm ideas 21:23:26 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:23:52 Is that what happened to the Gehenna-that-looked-like-buildings-in-caves idea? I was looking forward to seeing that 21:24:22 infiniplex: that's in trunk with 0 weight, it's layout_cave_town in layout_caves.des 21:24:43 it looks good, it's just far too slow generating 21:24:50 i know how to optimise this now though 21:26:02 it's more of a D/Lair layout than Geh 21:26:39 For the record, mumra, I've come across some of your layouts a few times now. They are a nice change of pace. :) 21:26:47 i notice the zot colours in tiles are different now 21:26:55 probably a bit closer to how they look in console 21:27:04 A very minor fix to the LUA make_circle command by infiniplex 21:27:07 !send Z:1_ambush evilmike 21:27:08 Sending evilmike to Z:1_ambush. 21:27:49 i put a secret code in that vault which lets me skip it 21:27:55 its cleverly obfuscated so dont bother looking for it 21:27:58 (Funnily enough, the last time I got evilmike_ambush, I was in a perfect position to counter it.) 21:29:09 I just tried this and I got a LUA error: "attempt to index global 'rooms' (a nil value)". Is this normal? 21:29:21 That was addressed to Grunt 21:30:07 !lg . 862 -tv:T106346 21:30:08 862/899. SGrunt, XL1 SEEE, T:600 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:30:14 infiniplex: hmm? 21:30:20 ...that's the wrong game. 21:30:23 !lg . 862 -tv:cancel 21:30:24 862/899. SGrunt, XL1 SEEE, T:600 cancel requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:30:28 !lg . 874 -tv:cancel 21:30:29 874/899. SGrunt, XL27 CeAK, T:125367 cancel requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:30:33 !lg . 874 -tv:T106346 21:30:34 874/899. SGrunt, XL27 CeAK, T:125367 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:30:45 -!- sbanwart has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:30:49 !lm bh lab.enter -tv:cancel 21:30:50 Malformed argument: lab.enter 21:30:56 !lm bh br.enter=lab -tv:cancel 21:30:57 9. bh, XL10 SpJr, T:13154 (milestone) cancel requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:31:26 -!- Spel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:33:20 infiniplex: you mean the cave layout? 21:33:28 yes 21:33:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:03 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 21:35:59 hmm, this is odd; which file/line is triggering the error? 21:35:59 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:36:02 !messages 21:36:03 (1/1) HangedMan said (2m 23s ago): oh, one thing that comes to mind: I'm not so sure about the effect of the more geometric zot layouts used for zot:5 because it half-resembles an encompass vault instead of letting the hall of zot be distinctly seperate from the rest of the level 21:36:53 !lm implojin br.enter=geh -tv:>> 21:36:55 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:36:56 19. Implojin, XL27 TrDK, T:38834 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:38:23 -!- a9qd0wf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:44 SamB: cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wmissing-declarations" is valid for C/ObjC but not for C++ 21:40:51 infiniplex: that patch looks good to me btw, i had to do a similar thing with 1 or 2 of my algorithms 21:40:55 i'll push it in a bit 21:41:11 bh: oh? 21:41:12 SamB: I'm using i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.11.00) 21:41:22 darn manual 21:41:28 didn't say anything about that :-( 21:41:37 maybe we should disable that for OSX builds. It outputs a ton of console spam 21:41:39 * Grunt pushes mumra. 21:42:08 * SamB checks if there's a way to deal with this that he missed ... 21:42:24 (I mean, if there's already infrastructure in our Makefile for this) 21:42:26 did anyone ever see this terrible candy advert years ago, "don't push me, push a pushpop" 21:43:27 oh god. That's bad. 21:43:40 bh: also i had a look at that diffusion algorithm, look really interesting; the flanking thing can perhaps be reserved for higher-level bands 21:43:48 e.g. yaktaurs but only when they have a captain 21:44:03 mumra: whoa! That would make bands seriously cool 21:44:13 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: goodnight] 21:44:15 but it's very cool how they could flank you from multiple directions at once 21:44:57 -!- faz_ has quit [] 21:44:58 and e.g. in V layouts where a wall has multiple doors, you could get effects like they bursting in through all doors at once 21:45:15 o_0 21:46:18 mumra: I think all of this behavior can probably be encapsulated into the same bit of code. Just have mobs check to see if they have a captain, and if they do, tweak their sensitivity to different signals 21:46:48 yeah, it's basically just a case of whether they act as diffusion blockers or not 21:46:58 if something is a blocker, the others will automatically find a different route 21:47:30 that ghosts example is really cool where they flank the pacman down all 4 possible paths 21:48:05 I implemented this a while ago for the AI challenge. My ants were lousy fighters, but they could forage like mad 21:48:46 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:49:01 it would be natural to give ants this behaviour as well but maybe only when solider ants are in play 21:49:12 or maybe only when there's a queen 21:52:06 they shouldn't be able to smell far though 21:52:50 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:08 or at least not if it's anything like simant 21:54:16 -!- Cerepol has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:28 sentinel's mark would get very nasty :-> 21:54:57 !lm implojin br.enter=geh 21:54:58 19. [2013-04-07 00:46:05] Implojin the Wrestler (L27 TrDK) entered Gehenna on turn 38834. (Hell) 21:55:05 !lm implojin br.enter=geh -tv 21:55:06 19. Implojin, XL27 TrDK, T:38834 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:55:42 -!- dcssrubot589 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:03 mumra: >:) 21:56:24 !lm implojin br.enter=geh -tv 21:56:25 19. Implojin, XL27 TrDK, T:38834 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:56:29 broken ttyrec? 21:57:25 clearly the server disagrees with Implojin's comments so strongly it doesn't even want me to see which layout it was 21:59:19 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:01:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:02:32 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:41 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06:21 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:06:34 -!- shmup_ is now known as octoclog 22:06:45 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:07:23 -!- Jdc1197 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:32 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:10:17 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:15:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:03 -!- keksz has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 22:20:17 -!- johnstein_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:13 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:22:14 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:22:24 -!- johnstein_ is now known as johnstein 22:24:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:26:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:31 C++ Templates: Where all your code is in headers. 22:27:31 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:27:37 !messages 22:27:38 (1/1) HangedMan said (23m 22s ago): bands that could use flanking without necessarily getting annoyingly additionally difficult or common (mostly for distinguishing bands themselves being weak): josephine (possibly necromancers), roka, orc warlords, vault wardens, polyphemus, shedu 22:28:03 ...why did he !tell me that? o_0 22:28:11 !seen HangedMan 22:28:12 I last saw HangedMan at Thu Mar 14 13:04:34 2013 UTC (3w 2d 14h 23m 38s ago) parting ##crawl-dev with message 'chanpart'. 22:28:37 he's always watching 22:28:51 Is he tailing the logs and chatting through Henzell? 22:29:06 pretty much 22:29:44 You feel you are being watched by something. 22:32:53 Grunt: And I have no privacy? 22:33:07 * Grunt stares at bh. 22:33:12 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:34:08 polyphemus flanking you with his yaks sounds like basically a total inversion of one man and his dog 22:34:24 !send mumra a catoblepas 22:34:25 Sending a catoblepas to mumra. 22:34:45 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 22:35:49 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:38:14 I had a thought. Would it be a good idea to put a link to my visual vault editor program somewhere on the development wiki? 22:38:17 bh, who came up with the pie description? I just noticed it, and it amuses me. 22:38:32 Grunt: me, I think 22:38:41 %git 1f2ddecb65ee7 22:38:42 03SamB * 0.13-a0-187-g1f2ddec: Fix up a couple of descriptions. 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f2ddecb65ee 22:38:43 i still say he should throw yaks at you. a beam attack, if it hits it summons a damaged yak. if it misses it hits a wall and explodes. unfortunately no chunks allowed, would be scummable 22:38:43 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:38:59 What's wrong with exploding yaks? 22:39:02 MarvinPA: yeah? 22:39:06 Grunt: looks like it got changed 22:39:13 SamB: <+Grunt> bh, who came up with the pie description? I just noticed it, and it amuses me. 22:39:16 it turns out that pie throwing started about 1909 22:39:31 that squarely violates the 300 year rule. 22:39:36 hence, the danger is anachronistic 22:39:40 or should I say... it rounds it out 22:39:40 but not the pie 22:40:01 imo the danger is the food clock 22:40:10 evilmike: but the food cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:40:32 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:35 so, do we remove Jesters and Priests in one go? :) 22:40:54 it's not time yet 22:41:06 ...what's this about priests?? 22:41:07 also I like HOPr 22:42:20 SamB: I stopped playing them after I died on the orb run 22:42:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:42:31 okay, I do always die 22:42:35 but that says nothing, really 22:44:59 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:26 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:47:09 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:47:33 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:14 infiniplex: where is there currently a link to your vault editor? devwiki would definitely be a good plan 22:54:04 Currently, there the only link is on a forum post I made when I was asking about possible changes. 22:54:17 Would the overall page for vault referece be a good place? 22:56:30 -!- Boyo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:58:15