00:00:04 Does anyone know anything particularly important to fix by then? Aside from that OS X !exp crash (which may be fixed just by different compliation, apparently?) 00:00:06 I'm not in college but some people are 00:00:16 eeviac: that would probably be a good idea 00:00:25 eeviac: well finals vary in schedule a lot 00:00:27 did the tracer infoleaks get fixed? 00:00:37 Yes 00:00:40 Well, the ones I know of? 00:00:47 so I doubt very much that we can avoid all of them 00:00:48 Regarding hibernation and agony 00:00:49 should we have a survey on the brothel or whatever they call that thing? 00:00:52 or even most of them 00:00:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:03 MarvinPA: Are those the ones you meant? 00:01:24 if you wanted to avoid finals you'd either have to start the tournament tomorrow or wait until mid may so... maybe it won't work 00:01:25 DracoOmega: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 that one 00:01:39 eeviac: some people have finals in mid may 00:01:44 it's not closed but maybe it was fixed anyway? 00:01:45 june it is 00:02:06 MarvinPA: Huh. I thought I resolved that. Maybe it was another one to that effect? 00:02:10 Anyway, the bug was fixed 00:02:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:03:25 ah ok, cool 00:03:52 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-172-ga17b3db (34) 00:05:26 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-58-g4e74d03 00:09:20 -!- faz_ has quit [] 00:10:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-172-ga17b3db (34) 00:11:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:08 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 00:14:19 for april fools next year somebody should write a script to convert all of crawls tiles to 16 colors 00:14:41 or draw a set of tiles in 16 colors 00:15:19 i am uncertain if i'm crazy enough to do that 00:15:46 or try to use a script and then realize that a lot of tiles will need redrawing ... 00:16:20 april fools should be all the tiles are just whatever glyph is used in ascii 00:16:25 and webtiles is forced into glyph mode 00:16:51 there's a glyph mode? 00:17:00 hit f10 00:17:23 I'm not actually going to try it, the last time I tried it just didn't seem to load 00:17:35 * SamB thinks his computer is just too pathetic or something 00:17:48 be warned though: every time someone goes into glyph mode, a kitten is forcibly taken from its mother 00:18:13 -!- Foophy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:20 how do you mean, does it force all the spectators to watch in glyph mode too? 00:18:34 if only 00:20:15 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-172-ga17b3db 00:22:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:56 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:25 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 00:25:36 -!- Chapayev has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:25:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:25:47 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 00:27:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:37:38 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:40:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:15 -!- Spinal_Taper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:46:42 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:04 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-173-g65e8211: List one more player form in the changelog for Polymorph. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65e8211bae37 00:54:04 03dolorous 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-59-gb566176: List one more player form in the changelog for Polymorph. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b566176646a2 00:54:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:57:07 -!- Spinal_Taper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:50 -!- popbob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:03 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:28 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:07 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:09 how do I save my game on cszo for someone to inspect it? 01:32:31 you go to the main menu and pick the "backup" option 01:32:46 or something like that .. 01:33:35 http://dobrazupa.org/saves/bh-crawl-git-79cb806954-130405-0633.tar.bz2 -- can someone other than me load this up and magic map labs? I think I'm stuck 01:34:07 hehe, you don't want to cheat or something? 01:34:21 yes. 01:36:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37:17 -!- pokes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39:35 Unsolvable Labyrinth by brendan 01:39:49 derp. it shifted. 01:42:30 oh fuck 01:42:33 -!- Unflexed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:42:35 fuck fuckfuck 01:42:37 sorry 01:42:43 lol 01:43:11 I just sacrificed all of my gear by accident 01:43:16 all of my books 01:43:21 OUCH 01:43:34 * SamB not laughing anymore 01:43:42 and a scroll of acquirement 01:43:58 I think I can still win this. 01:44:46 do we have a prompt-before-sacrifice-useful-items option? 01:45:11 there is a stash protection inscription for this purpose 01:45:54 inscribe a stone with !p (I think that is what it is) and drop it on your stash, and you will always be prompted when you try to sacrifice your stash 01:46:20 ^! with nemelex will tell you the inscriptions, and may even be accurate 01:46:41 shame I can't restore from that backup 01:46:44 -!- hda has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:01 that would be unethical 01:47:31 unless your save had been somehow corrupted 01:47:44 SamB: I can make that happen! 01:47:47 * bh writes some code 01:47:58 yes, I know you can 01:48:03 that, too, would be unethical 01:48:13 fair enough. At least I got max piety with Nemelex for my mistake 01:49:06 * SamB <- still hasn't figured out this whole "get a rune" thing 01:49:37 really? 01:50:15 really. 01:50:40 the only branches I've been to the bottom of are orc and lair 01:51:09 maybe you're the worst dev. |amethyst thought he was the worst and before him I thought I was the worst 01:52:05 I'm glad I know you're talking about Crawl playing and not developing, or my feelings might be hurt 01:52:24 SamB: I hope I find another book of the warp. I was hoping to try Disjunction in Zot 01:53:21 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:16 man. maybe we should nerf nemelex. There's no reason an XL10 character should be able to summon a hell sentinel 01:54:55 try again, maybe the next one will kill you 01:55:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:57:33 SamB: done. I got a bone dragon and it ate gastronok 01:58:25 including his hat? 01:58:55 no. I took that 02:00:08 ack. I did it again 02:01:51 !tell |amethyst I'm too stupid to play a nemelex worshipper. I keep sacrificing all of my gear. 02:01:52 bh: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 02:03:42 needs moar rc 02:04:43 (to automatically inscribe items so they won't get sacced prematurely) 02:07:44 I'm so n00b I play with a stock RC 02:08:03 I don't have that set up either 02:08:16 but I also haven't made that mistake yet exactly 02:09:18 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:12:01 I made the mistake because I had dropped gear before going into labs 02:12:13 and then decided to sacrifice the stuff I ID'd as useless when I left labs 02:12:49 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:04 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:14:11 so I guess you should carry one of those rocks 02:16:08 you should basically never drop gear before going into labs 02:16:17 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:42 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:49 elliptic: I dropped my books 02:17:06 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:17:06 I'm a spriggan. 02:17:17 because you should basically always be able to get down to 52 items without trouble, especially if you have nemelex to help 02:17:51 and gear might be useful in the lab! 02:17:56 well, okay, books probably won't be 02:18:19 books are also probably something you don't want to sac 02:19:13 (you should probably just not carry around books in the first place as a spriggan of nemelex) 02:20:50 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:20:59 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:06 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:24:28 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:26 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:30:23 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:31:52 -!- bh has quit [] 02:36:54 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:49:11 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 02:52:27 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:47 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 03:08:39 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:51 Hi, I have a stationary freed slave 03:13:24 when i hit ctrl+F 03:13:44 i should be able to hit the up arrow to scroll through recent search queries i've made 03:20:26 sounds like a good patch, I'm sure the devs would accept it 03:20:56 rast: you can't already? 03:21:07 SamB: i dont think so 03:21:32 huh 03:21:33 odd 03:22:03 it shouldn't be too hard, we already have code for that 03:22:17 I'd grep for __LINE__ to find a macro we have for it 03:22:28 Anyway 03:22:33 It's been stationary for 3,000 turns 03:22:47 syraine: did you backup the save? 03:22:48 -!- _D_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:51 Yes 03:23:12 did you report it? 03:23:19 * SamB is about to turn in 03:23:45 When I returned, it started moving again :T 03:24:06 lol 03:24:29 I guess it's like with umbrellas 03:28:30 Hehe 03:29:07 I think I understand 03:34:30 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:41:41 Going from Ice Form while Hungry with wielded vampiric weapon results in instadeath by Mandevil 03:43:59 -!- rossi has quit [Client Quit] 04:11:08 nice 04:11:44 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 04:11:54 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:24:35 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:24:37 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:40 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:18 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:34:27 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:36:05 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:46:41 -!- gluop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:00 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:02:12 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:03:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:53 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:06:06 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:24 Hi all 05:08:28 hey mumra 05:11:38 I noticed the trunk builds page just has .12 - possibly what we want so it gets tested (?) But I noticed there was a .13 OSX build announced by the bot, would be nice for Mac users to be able to find that? 05:12:33 -!- boredOne has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:12:51 Also I wonder if zaba could do a .12 mac build now we're branched so it can get some testing... 05:13:02 !seen Zaba 05:13:03 I last saw Zaba at Tue Apr 2 09:32:58 2013 UTC (3d 40m 4s ago) saying 'gettimeofday is posix, so it kind of makes sense' on ##crawl-dev. 05:15:34 Wait, I meant greatzebu not zaba ... 05:18:22 yeah, I can only do powerpc mac builds :P 05:22:36 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:41:57 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:02 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:22 -!- dcssrubot432 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55:28 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:56:43 -!- BoredOne has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:57:09 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:04:15 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:06:19 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:06:31 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15:49 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:16:43 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:20:33 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:23:26 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:15 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:25:53 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:27:29 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:19 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:42:18 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:16 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:05 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:33 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:57 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59:22 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:05 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:13 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:37 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 07:11:39 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:20 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:14:27 -!- dcssrubot552 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-174-g6bc7d5c: Make undead frogs 'z', as planned. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6bc7d5cafccf 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-175-g8d9a4e6: Don't mark pies as "inedible". 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d9a4e6516dd 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-176-g544981c: Fix an inoperative battlesphere check. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=544981c1f93a 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-177-g2aa69d7: Hush a warning: "const bool" is redundant. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2aa69d7483f5 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-178-g12d5557: Add a missing initializer. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 10+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=12d55570c1ae 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-179-g47cac9f: Make non-public perlin stuff static. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 29+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47cac9f59ed5 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-180-gdce8086: Make non-public arena stuff static. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 67+ 67-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dce8086b04b2 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-181-g857a0d2: Purge unused code for the arena. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 34-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=857a0d21f004 07:24:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-182-gdde6c5f: Don't confirm attacks if confirmations are disabled. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dde6c5f30ba0 07:27:07 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:31:40 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:32:01 -!- newbie_noob has quit [Client Quit] 07:41:37 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:42 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 07:45:43 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:48:13 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:18 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: absolutego] 07:50:51 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:28 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:45 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:00:14 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:35 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 08:06:01 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:14:49 variant player doll shield tiles by roctavian 08:19:56 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:56 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:35 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:25:23 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:26:43 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:16 -!- gluop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:44 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:32:03 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:35:02 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:09 03Translators 07* 0.13-a0-183-g3e50d83: [Transifex] Sync. 10(28 minutes ago, 9 files, 594+ 133-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e50d83d80e1 08:40:09 03galehar 07* 0.13-a0-184-g84415f0: Don't reset the changed status of a file on a failed tx push. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84415f0fb9e4 08:42:01 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 08:44:33 -!- dcssrubot496 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:59 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:48:00 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:28 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:53:58 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:55:12 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71 08:55:14 -!- Cryp71 is now known as Cryp71c 08:56:04 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:04 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:06:59 galehar: I wonder if it would be better to not delete translations for things that haven't yet been removed from 0.12 09:07:37 galehar: or perhaps even have translations track soon-to-be-release completely, like it's the case with manual 09:08:58 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:56 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:02 -!- Egglet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:02 I'm surprised no agreemtn was ever reached regarding maces, I thought that either AC-ignore on attack or mini-stun would be reasonably popular, given some tweaks. 09:15:50 Cryp71c: leaving maces and long blades as "do a lot of damage" was also popular 09:16:27 Yeah I could see that, but atm they've got no better numbers than Axes...although the 0.12 exec axe nerf helped level the playing field somewhat. 09:16:32 whats the difference between them? maces get a good twohander fairly early? 09:16:39 Cryp71c: they might get something, but I think it was agreed that we shouldn't rush to add weapon moves... cleave being added in 0.12 is enough for that 09:16:41 '3 chunks of Arachne flesh' 09:16:43 Cryp71c: uh, what? 09:16:46 ??triple sword 09:16:46 triple sword[1/2]: A magical weapon with three razor-sharp blades. (two-handed Long Blade; Dam 19, Acc -4, Delay 19) 09:16:51 ??executioner's axe 09:16:52 executioners axe[1/2]: You want axes? You want them big? You want to swing your axe into the guts of demons? Do the demons have HUGE GUTS you want to RIP AND TEAR? Then this axe is for you. (Two-Handed, Damage 20 (18 in 0.12+), Acc -6, Delay 20; Mindelay Skill 26) 09:16:54 better numbers 09:17:12 ??great mace 09:17:12 great mace[1/1]: Largest weapon in the maces & flails category that most races can wield. 18 damage, -4 accuracy, 17 delay (two handed) 09:17:32 needs a lot less skill, of course 09:17:36 oh you mean maces? great mace is really good, yes 09:17:38 and 09:17:40 ??gsc 09:17:40 giant spiked club[1/2]: It looks *really* painful. Damage rating: 22 Accuracy rating: -7 Base attack delay: 18, (pierce) damage, never generated with a brand unless it's an artefact or god gift. Can only be wielded by trolls, giants, and ogres. The best twohander in the game. 09:17:45 have triple sword's frequency been increased? last I had checked, they were amongst the most rare extended end-game weapon type. 09:17:59 Cryp71c: they are the same rarity as exec axe... 09:18:13 hrm, gotcha. 09:18:29 They always feel like they crop up less, perhaps that's just statistics playing against me in my games. 09:18:31 Or perception. 09:18:59 well the main source for either of them is trog 09:19:17 and berserkers can't start with long blades 09:19:30 ahhhh 09:20:00 Perhaps what makes exec axes feel more common is that high level orc bands are more common than high level elven bands? Orc bands almost always wield axes, do they not? 09:20:11 Guessing now.... 09:20:18 Cryp71c: they don't wield exec axes 09:20:31 They cap at broad? 09:20:40 battleaxes... 09:21:04 in general monsters don't normally get rare weapons like exec axe or triple sword or whatever 09:21:15 only a couple uniques, like rupert 09:21:38 not even demon knights and the like? 09:21:47 In any case, do staves have any effect? They're out on their own somewhat with the enhancer staves. 09:21:51 hm, i guess i never saw them with rare weapons 09:21:58 hell knights get demon weapons 09:22:11 I believe they're one of the few sources of demon whips and demon blades. 09:22:13 Cryp71c: staves need low skill, pretty much 09:22:16 non-gift sources* 09:22:27 Cryp71c: lajatangs are one of the best two-handers, but no effect other than "can switch to an enhancer staff" 09:22:42 ??lajatang 09:22:42 lajatang[1/1]: Big brother to the quarterstaff. 16 damage, -3 accuracy, 14 delay, double handed, two-handed in 0.12+. Slashing. 09:22:51 16 damage for only 14 base delay is a lot 09:27:02 I don't think there's going to be a way to avoid favoring one or two types over the others, especially if your perspective is with extended end game in mind. But if we can keep just one of M&F/Long blades as "high damage" and give an effect to the other, that seems like a reasonable diversification of the types. 09:29:04 just having different weapon stats and availability already can be very diverse 09:29:19 elliptic: how is 16 good on a two-hander if you can get one-handers with 15 (or equivalent fast weapons)? 09:29:38 14 base delay 09:29:49 14 skill, done, yay exp for other things 09:30:06 kilobyte: well double swords and eveningstars are also good, yes 09:30:29 but the buckler doesn't really do that much a lot of the time 09:30:55 alefury, different stats and availability make for good diversification in some respects, but it doesn't give the weapons any "feel" for being different, and the players who aren't playing for maximum wins typically play with what "feels" interesting/unique/fitting their mood. 09:31:22 raising weapon skill to 14 instead of 16 and shield skill to 0 instead of 5 is a decent amount of experience saved for other things 09:31:23 maces and swords and staves already feel quite different to me 09:31:56 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:32:11 torment, hellfire -- shields handle pretty much everything else 09:32:27 kilobyte: not a buckler 09:32:39 and bigger shields take a lot of skill, which not every character wants to spend 09:32:51 ??double sword[2 09:32:51 double sword[2/2]: Double swords are better if enchantment+slaying also orbs of fire ignore shields, liches mostly ignore them (summons or bolts) 09:33:25 fire giants and frost giants, dragons 09:33:32 all ignore shields with their ranged attacks 09:33:33 alefury, perhaps my opinion stands out from the rest of the devteam, but my perspective is something like: maces/LB/staves stand apart a few meters. Axes, short blades and polearms stand apart from each other tens of meters...not because their numbers are so different (short blades do, of course), but beacuse their effects give them a distinct niche or play-tactic. 09:34:03 demon blades are roughly the same as double swords, take little skill to wield, and are PLENTIFUL 09:34:04 Surely you can win with any of them. 09:34:30 Cryp71c: i see it similarly, but i dont think that is bad 09:34:35 kilobyte: something else that makes lajatangs better, btw, is that their brands are awesome 09:34:49 laja of speed is quite common, vampiric laja isn't rare, etc 09:35:20 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:35:21 alefury, no..its not bad, certainly not urgent...but something which might be improved upon, just as axes / polearms were improved upon for the PC. 09:35:25 I'll agree that characters are more likely to end up with a demon blade or something, though 09:37:19 Cryp71c: as I said, people seemed to agree that cleave was enough weapon moves to add for 0.12... if people actually settle on a weapon move for maces or long blades, I'm sure it will be tested in 0.13, but people were definitely not doing so with anything that was proposed 09:37:57 most were fiddly, not significant enough, or were weird for monsters 09:39:14 i dont remember what the problem was with passing attacks for lbl, i liked those 09:39:24 what is a passing attack 09:39:38 is this the thing with walking past a monster giving an attack on it? 09:39:41 if you step from one tile adjacent to a monster to another one, you also attack it 09:39:49 i think the delays were problematic 09:39:50 that has some better name in Sil 09:40:02 I never much liked that in Sil though... felt fiddly 09:40:08 and autofight wouldn't be able to handle it 09:40:17 it would enable some different tactics, and autofight usually wouldnt have to handle it 09:40:22 also, that'd be a big fat KISS violation 09:40:44 alefury: IMO any weapon move should trigger when you hit a monster normally 09:41:14 mhh, certainly simpler that way, and guaranteed to be less fiddly 09:41:53 most of the other stuff that was suggested didnt seem significant enough to me, or was a no-go for other reasons 09:42:04 speaking of autofight, if you have reaching and are 3 spaces away from a non-ranged monster, perhaps it should wait instead of advancing? 09:42:07 btw, how is cleaving now? 09:42:21 kilobyte, that would be nice. 09:42:26 last chance to balance it for 0.12 if kilobyte still thinks its broken 09:42:40 kilobyte: that's the same situation as if you are two spaces away from a non-ranged monster with a normal weapon 09:42:58 kilobyte, but along that same line, you could make the case for "if you're in a corridor, and a monster is 2-steps away from you, should you wait a turn and then fight it in your current position" 09:43:01 alefury: no, far too late for balance-impacting changes to cleave for 0.12 I'd say 09:43:17 alefury: I think it is, but not egregiously 09:43:18 nobody complained about it for a while anyway :) 09:43:42 Cryp71c: heh, of course. 09:44:01 I think cleave is extremely strong, but within the bounds of reason for a new ability... we tend to target things on the strong side when they are first added 09:44:10 what about that short waiting thing? performance problems killed it, right? 09:44:37 performance problems and a couple of bugs, iirc 09:45:11 less broken than 0.8 Tornado, that's sure. Then we had useless Tornado in 0.9, then by 0.10 got it into an acceptable range. 09:45:22 or 0.5 vs 0.6 AC 09:45:34 0.8 Tornado <3 09:45:42 0.8-a tornado <3 <3 09:46:02 oh right, that was even much better 09:46:25 level 8, hitting 1/(0.3^2) times harder with swiftfly+haste 09:46:29 Regarding melee combat, has anyone worked on a game/anything which unifies the formulae for Monster and Player combat in a balance and sustainable way? I'm not convinced universal formulas are feasible, the more I think about it. 09:46:47 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:47:11 Or does anything atm in crawl use a unified set of formulas between monsters and PCs? 09:47:30 -!- ryansee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:47:59 a load of spells, although monsters have no skills or int, so spell power is different 09:48:07 AC and EV, for example 09:48:30 That's the same thing though, no str or dex, though. 09:49:05 also player and monster damage and hit are so different that not even the AC and EV values are comparable 09:50:00 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50:19 Cryp71c: i think titan quest (an action rpg) had player-monster symmetry in a lot of things 09:51:06 also some significant differences in what values were fed into these symmetric formulas, though 09:51:46 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:53:12 I've spent ~10 years coding on a MUD with all formulas identical, the only differences were monsters having 2* maxhp, and players being loaded with gear on all slots 09:53:18 generally i think symmetry is mostly important for gameplay. if things obviously work different for monsters than for the player, thats fine. if there are subtle but important differences, that is not so good. of course symmetry has some advantages for coding. 09:54:31 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:47 for example i think its important that monsters with polearms have reaching, but monster and player damage formulas can be very different because all the relevant values are hidden from the player anyway 09:55:59 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:04 -!- SkaryMonk has left ##crawl-dev 09:56:07 given the existing dissimilarities and blatant "monsters are different from players" everywhere in the code, do you think its a feasible change to standardize the formulas? 09:57:03 like the melee rewrite, many separate pieces would need to be unified all together, in the same version, (combat values and AC/EV, for example) to make maintaining balance a reasonable undertaking. 09:58:27 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:36 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 09:58:36 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:54 is cszo down? 09:58:54 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:58:57 !messages 09:58:57 (1/1) |amethyst said (59m 36s ago): that's what {!p} is for 09:59:35 At least WebTiles loads fine 09:59:59 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:00:07 -!- Escalator_ is now known as Escalator 10:00:23 When I try connecting I get "You don't exist, go away!" 10:00:58 Working fine for me here... 10:02:53 Cryp71c: feasible, maybe, but certainly not for everything. But I have no idea whether it's worth doing for the formulas where it is feasible. Also it sounds very unpleasant to do. 10:03:11 !tell |amethyst when trying to connect to cszo I get rejected with "You don't exist, go away!" I'm using the username crawl and the cao_key. 10:03:11 bh: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:03:22 Oh, well certainly unpleasent :) Just as the melee rewrite, but a reasonable improvement in the long run...I think. 10:04:49 <|amethyst> bh: what IP? 10:04:49 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:05:02 50.196.170.206 10:05:18 did you fail2ban me? :) 10:05:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:54 <|amethyst> no 10:06:07 Cryp71c: I think it would be very very hard to make *all* the formulas unified in a game where this isn't planned from the start 10:06:15 Cryp71c: i dont do enough with the crawl code to estimate advantages on the coding side, but i think symmetry is only important for gameplay where it misleads the player and makes the game harder to learn. 10:06:36 s/it/assymmetry 10:06:39 <|amethyst> bh: the last thing I see in the ssh logs is: 10:06:43 <|amethyst> Apr 5 00:01:44 server sshd[18246]: Accepted publickey for crawl from 50.196.170.206 port 52065 ssh2 10:06:49 <|amethyst> bh: the last thing from your address that is 10:06:58 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:07:15 Xom thnks this is hilarious. 10:08:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 10:08:48 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:09:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:09:37 <|amethyst> bh: apparently that message means your ssh *client* can't find your username 10:09:52 <|amethyst> your local username that is 10:09:58 whoa. 10:10:11 ssh -v --> you don't exist, go away 10:10:12 that's bad. 10:10:13 <|amethyst> down LDAP server? 10:10:23 I'm on a laptop 10:10:27 <|amethyst> see what id and getent passwd $(id -u) say 10:10:49 whoami -> 501 10:10:55 that's super bad. 10:11:00 <|amethyst> what OS is this? 10:11:06 OSX 10:11:21 <|amethyst> I found one link where someone said restarting securityd fixed it for them 10:11:24 <|amethyst> let me find it again 10:11:31 <|amethyst> http://www.hochschule-trier.de/index.php?id=12677 10:11:42 <|amethyst> first google hit for "You don't exist, go away" 10:11:48 -!- Foophy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:33 I have no identity but I must sudo 10:14:16 <|amethyst> oh.. 10:14:26 <|amethyst> this guy got lucky because it was only failing 90% of the time, not 100% 10:14:36 Clearly bh has worked so much on abyssal stuff that he's faded into nothingness himself. 10:14:39 -!- dcssrubot791 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:06 I have started sending my co-workers e-mails about resurrecting cthulhu... 10:15:17 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:18 btw, how long are jesters going to exist? 10:15:32 alefury: until I win 10:15:39 heh 10:16:03 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 10:16:09 <|amethyst> bh: Didn't you hear? They just discovered cthulhu http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0058509#ack 10:16:10 speaking of work, I'm out 10:16:27 <|amethyst> err, remove that #ack 10:16:47 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:51 -!- Foophy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:17:48 plosone. heh. 10:18:05 beh, just one tentacle 10:30:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:19 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:32 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:21 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 10:43:07 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:44:00 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:45:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:45:20 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:45:34 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:21 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:09 -!- catspajamas has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:36 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:39 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:50:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:36 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-185-g14dff61: Fix indentation. 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=14dff614b3f2 10:53:20 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:53:23 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:47 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:50 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:00:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:02 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:06:51 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:08:18 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:45 -!- thetao has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:46 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10:15 Regarding this bug, we have the automated crash-detector now, don't we? They get announced in here... https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=65 11:10:28 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:27 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:36 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:46 Also, have any of the inconsistencies detailed in https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=170 been resolved? 11:14:08 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:15:02 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:06 That covers only part of the feature request, as far as I understand it. As it's online only and crashes only. 11:16:59 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17:39 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:05 -!- mumra has quit [Client Quit] 11:18:11 Medar, I'm concerned with just those items, as that FR has been in the db, without activity, quite a long time. If those 3 things haven't already been done, I'd like to get them done quickly and close this FR. 11:18:19 s/db/mantis/ 11:18:20 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:18:27 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:02 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:19 Cryp71c: point C is no longer an issue since cig's was removed. 11:23:36 Don't know about the other two 11:23:37 -!- faz has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:40 mumra, thanks. 11:24:39 Something I've been tending to do with old FR's is move them to devwiki and add links from one to the other then close the issue 11:25:17 Since mantis isn't used for FRs now anyway (without a patch at least) 11:25:24 Eh, I'm content with ideas being on the devwiki, but i personally prefer "implementable" ideas or fixes to inconsistent behavior on mantis. 11:25:31 But, that's just me. 11:25:46 Is it gone from Vitriol card too? 11:26:06 i think the first two parts of that jiyva issue were fixed too 11:26:07 On the other hand if they seem reasonable and it's quick to implement then that's a better way to close it 11:26:30 also it's not gone from vitriol yet, no 11:27:26 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:27:32 ??vitriol card 11:27:33 vitriol card[1/1]: 1/3 Cigotuvi's Degeneration, 2/3 acid breath. 11:27:37 ah... 11:27:49 Good catch 11:33:08 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:29 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:36:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:37:59 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:41:01 uh oh 11:41:11 now i have to figure out how player dolls work :( 11:44:47 -!- dcssrubot611 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:56 ontoclasm: what for? 11:45:23 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:21 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:12 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6878 11:49:17 don't worry, i think i got it 11:49:29 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:31 or at least, got the part i need to 11:49:38 -!- Abom has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:03 -!- datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:03 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:10 ok ;) 11:50:28 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:51:37 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:52:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:23 -!- mumra_ has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:59:19 ontoclasm: are you going to add them like the robe variations, or will they just be accessible via the doll editor? 12:04:14 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:06:20 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:06:46 like robe variations 12:06:56 ....looks like i broke something somehow 12:06:59 :C 12:07:01 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:13 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe 12:08:04 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:09:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:09:46 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:10:54 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 12:13:19 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:13:36 cool (not the breaking part) 12:16:20 ugggh why crawl why 12:16:51 couldn't load image 'buckler_round2'. 12:16:56 but it's right. there. 12:18:54 ...oh 12:18:56 i'm dumb 12:21:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-185-g14dff61 (34) 12:23:35 -!- Angelic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:25:22 -!- Spinal_Taper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:30:12 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 12:32:43 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-186-g9b2bc19: Shield variations for the player doll (roctavian, 6878) 10(6 minutes ago, 26 files, 33+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b2bc1934b56 12:37:40 -!- dcssrubot26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:20 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:08 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52:16 -!- Sojiro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:27 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:23 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:59:40 -!- faz is now known as ellifaz 12:59:50 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:59 -!- simmarine is now known as ellisim 13:00:12 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:00:50 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 13:03:22 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03:22 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:04:19 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:04:55 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:13 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14:32 -!- eith is now known as ellieith 13:15:27 -!- kryft is now known as ellifft 13:15:30 -!- rchandra is now known as ellirc 13:17:58 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:20 -!- madreisz is now known as ellimadreisz 13:25:25 -!- ellimadreisz is now known as elliesz 13:28:42 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:34:30 -!- Lucas___ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:36 Oh wow, this is one huge development channel. Hello everyone! I decided I might have a go on modding crawl a little. I already have a bit experience with C++ and other programming languages. However... to be honest... I can't even manage to get the sourcecode of crawl downloaded. I heard for the most up-to-date version I have to use git, but unfortunately, I've never used that before. Could anyone maybe help me out a bit? ^^ 13:38:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:42 try reading and going through https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 13:39:04 Alright, will do! Thanks 13:39:06 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:14 -!- ellisim is now known as simmarine 13:42:58 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:48:06 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:48:09 Lucas___: have you used other version control systems before? this is a good introduction to the concepts behind git: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/A-Tale-of-Three-Trees 13:49:01 No, I haven't ^^ I'll have a look at that webpage once I have the time to, thanks! 13:49:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:51:33 Hmm... right, I downloaded crawl using git now, in which directory are the git files put, though? I didn't set any and can't find it 13:54:12 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 13:55:27 .git/ ? 13:55:32 if thats what you mean by git files 13:56:18 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:18 -!- ellieith is now known as eith 13:58:57 Can't find it =( 14:00:12 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:01:27 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:01:30 It tells me it copied crawl into "crawl" but doesn't find "/crawl" 14:02:33 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:54 should be in crawl/crawl-ref 14:03:02 what os are you using? 14:03:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:04:46 Windows XP 14:05:29 Lucas___, developing crawl on windows - while possible - is not pleasant. 14:05:50 linux virtual machines ftw 14:05:52 Even on boxes where I have to run windows, for whatever purpose, I VM a linux environment and dev in it...alwaysl. 14:05:54 always* 14:05:55 It's not as if I'd had a choice 14:06:04 Lucas___, Virtual machines 14:06:35 Not with my system o.O 14:06:52 Alas, then you can do it on windows but..again, not pleasant. You're using msysgit? 14:07:19 msysgit works for MarvinPA because all he does is remove things! 14:07:47 -!- dcssrubot162 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:27 Yes, I am using that 14:08:36 lol, I've done regular dev w/ msysgit..just not pleasant. 14:08:48 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:01 Lucas___, if you have the msysgit prompt up, type in ls, does it give you a listing of files / directories? is 'crawl' one of them? 14:09:14 i use msysgit 14:09:22 Yes, it is 14:09:41 Lucas___, ok, you can navigate around the source using linux commands like cd (change directory) and whatnot 14:09:47 Wait, is that stuff in my SYSTEM folder!?! 14:10:07 it's wherever you told it to put it 14:10:08 Lucas___, if that's where msysgit's default path is (which is pretty dumb) then yes. 14:10:22 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:27 assuming you didn't cd anywhere that'll be c/crawl 14:10:27 Well, it's just listing a bunch of folders, but I have no idea where these would be on my computer 14:10:35 So... I'm confused 14:10:36 Try going to look in your system folder and see if that's where crawl is...worse case scenario is you delete that directory and go somewhere more sane before you do the checkout. 14:10:37 since it starts you in c:/ 14:10:43 Lucas___, type in cwd 14:10:50 Does that give you a path? 14:10:58 if you don't want it there just delete it and cd to where you do want it 14:11:49 It doesn't seem to be in C in the explorer, at least I don't see the folder 14:11:57 try "pwd" 14:12:04 elliott, thanks :) 14:12:08 itll be in msysgit/crawl i think, i havent used it in years 14:12:24 Lucas___, pwd will give you the path of the directory you're at right now. 14:12:31 oh, cwd might work too on windows 14:12:32 There is windows explorer integration right? So right click on the folder where you want it, and "git gui here" -> clone 14:12:33 elliott, I always think "Current working directory" 14:12:33 I didn't see your line 14:12:53 Medar, he's already checked the source out once. 14:12:54 Oh, this seems to be like...the Admin directory 14:12:56 Too many chefs here.. 14:13:04 Lets limit the number of cooks working with the Lucas stew. 14:13:18 Let me just change that then 14:13:26 Lucas___, cwd or pwd will give you your directory, use what it gives you and go to that path in explorer. 14:14:06 if you think this is too many people trying to help you should see how bad it gets in some other freenode channels :P 14:14:47 elliott, oh I know, I used to idle in several linux channels, php, python, etc. etc. 14:14:52 Haha, I appreciate all the help anyways =) And I got it in the correct folder now 14:14:59 Although most of the time, its lots of rage and very little help. 14:15:13 Or LMGTFU 14:15:25 Or LMGTFY* 14:15:37 So next thing I do is rightclick -> git bash -> git submodule update --init 14:15:45 Correct? 14:15:59 In the crawl folder 14:16:00 no idea if that's the msysgit translation, but yes..after you checkout the core source, you need the submodules. 14:16:13 So you need to do git submodule update --init while you're in the /crawl directory 14:16:17 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:17:05 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:06 After you have those dependencies, I would get into the source (crawl/crawl-ref/source) and try to build (make or make debug) before you change anything else. 14:17:15 IDK if msysgit has other stuff you need to give it before it'll build DCSS. 14:17:21 It says I am in C/crawl (master), that's good? 14:17:30 ontoclasm would likely contribute in that regard. 14:17:58 Lucas___, the first part is a little odd (maybe the path?) but yes, the master branch is what you want. 14:18:02 hi folks, just reading the recent scrollback, i also only develop on windows 14:18:02 (and it is the default) 14:18:15 and there is honestly nothing more or less difficult about it ;) 14:18:21 msysgit has everything you need 14:19:00 mumra, does it have grep? can you pipe things through less or easily split out git logs? 14:19:09 I don't think it does, and those are things that I would say everyone needs. 14:19:14 yep it has most standard bash commands 14:19:21 it's a bash environment on windows 14:19:49 on the other hand, for people used to windows guis, i would recommend tortoisegit at least for simple operations 14:20:01 last time I used msysgit, it had the commands but you couldn't do half the useful things you can do from inside a unix environment. 14:20:21 like piping things between commands and such. 14:20:36 i'm pretty sure it supports piping 14:20:38 Right, seems everything went fine so far 14:20:38 maybe you were using it from cmd.exe instead of an MSYS shell or whatever 14:20:46 MSYS is basically a stripped down ancient version of cygwin + MinGW 14:20:58 Now... 14:21:00 elliott, na, the last time I was in msysgit, it was actually in the cygwin shell 14:21:07 er, rather...the msysgit shell. 14:21:10 Guys, you will kill me, but in which of these directories is the actual source code? o.O 14:21:11 hm... no idea how it could fail to pipe then 14:21:15 though I've never used msysgit myself 14:21:20 Lucas___, crawl/crawl-ref/source 14:21:23 Lucas___: crawl/crawl-ref/source 14:21:25 try to build, straightaway. 14:21:28 Don't modify anything. 14:21:32 Ah, alright, thanks 14:21:39 i'm sure there are tons of more advanced things that won't work properly, but my knowledge of unix black magic isn't so advanced, and i tend to switch to windows tooling for a lot of things 14:22:07 like i never use grep, since i use visual studio as an IDE, i can just shift-ctrl-F to search the source (and it also supports regexps) 14:22:17 Ehh, how exactly do I build it? To be honest so far I've always had programs build my projects automatically, which does not work for code that I have not written myself ^^ 14:22:18 I'm a primary windows user, but I don't bother with dcss development in windows. 14:22:30 read INSTALL.TXT 14:22:44 not when a vm is so easy to run. 14:22:49 anyways, back to work. 14:23:14 crap, i have to trek across london and get a train now :( 14:23:50 -!- ellifaz is now known as faz 14:24:16 * faz gives mumra a JetBrains fist-bump 14:24:39 hehe 14:25:03 msys is a compiler? Didn't know that one 14:25:13 actually i've never used the jetbrains stuff although i worked on a project where they had at some point used resharper and some other bits, but they were gradually removing the dependencies 14:25:29 Lucas___: it's a shell environment that contains a compiler 14:25:32 mumra: just rereading your Dorlok+Porto proposal on a whim... cool stuff! 14:26:08 heh, yeah that was a while back 14:26:27 door god would be awesome but i'm not convinced it can really work since doors are so dependent on layout 14:26:32 yes 14:26:52 specifically, many branches have no doors ... 14:26:58 -!- frobop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27:04 I cannot take care of it now... feel already slogged down by DG (speech file sitting here!), gold god and random gods. 14:27:38 Oh , I've already got msys installed together with MinGW... I thought MinGW is a compiler itself? Why does that come with a compiler? 14:27:53 i've got to run, hopefully there will be wifi on this train otherwise it's a pretty boring journey ... (good to hear DG progress tho!) 14:27:53 msysgit = msys + git, and msys = mingw + a shell 14:29:03 mumra: yes, some speech from jpeg in there now, too 14:29:23 Can I use the msys from the MinGW directory as well? I can't find the other one for some reason 14:29:36 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:20 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:30:43 you shouldn't need to go to any directory to use the mingw compiler it has 14:30:52 just using "make" in the crawl source directory should do 14:32:30 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:05 I mean, does it matter which msys I use in any way? =P 14:33:58 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:34:00 Lucas___: not really as long as it comes with gcc (the compiler) 14:34:21 Should be the case for MinGW I guess 14:34:28 you will know it didn't because when you go into crawl/crawl-ref/source and hit 'make' it won't do anything 14:40:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:40:16 It seems to work! =D 14:40:28 HAHA! NOW NOTHING CAN STOP ME! 14:40:29 ... 14:40:33 Except for the source code 14:40:33 -!- NekoRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:33 Lucas___: <3 14:40:40 Lucas___: what are your plans with the code? 14:40:41 Thanks for the help everyone 14:40:56 I actually plan on turning Crawl into more of a survival roguelike 14:41:11 Maybe add thirst as stat 14:41:29 Remove out-of-depht spawns and the goal to reach the orb entirely 14:41:51 And yeah... make it like dwarf fortress or cataclysm, if you know either of these =D 14:41:54 Won't be easy, I know 14:42:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:42:52 wow, good luck :) 14:43:07 I hope you keep the gods! 14:43:18 I actually plan on buffing them 14:43:19 ...thirst? and with no out of depth spawns how do you plan on preventing scumming? or is the idea to make survival easy but the player has to do their own thing to have fun? 14:43:28 i'm interested in this 14:43:37 They might randomly take over dungeon floors and do crazy sh** on them 14:43:47 Like Xom now 14:44:04 That might force the player to move his base , essentially turning dungeon floors into seperate "biomes" 14:44:29 Actually, I though I might remove them because the player will have to set up a "Base" or something similiar at one point, in order to survive 14:44:36 monqy 14:44:39 hi 14:45:02 And since with out-of-depth spawns, this would become impossible over time, I guess I have no choice but to remove them 14:45:05 And hi as well =) 14:46:11 crawl is a bit big for the player to have a "base"...unless you're expected to move it around 14:46:44 Well, stashs work as well, don't they? 14:46:45 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:46:49 Also, a player can have several bases 14:47:00 I actually might bases require some kind of rare item to be built 14:47:10 And outside of that, monsters wildly spawn 14:47:27 -!- anastasios_ is now known as Pedjt 14:47:36 well, also, changing the basic structure of the dungeon - where branches are and how many floors and so on - isn't that hard afaict 14:47:43 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:55 i guess that's what i meant by "big" 14:48:02 cataclysm is "big" too but in a different way 14:48:24 The branches might just stay 14:48:40 I'll just give the player an opportunity to set up bases in these 14:48:59 actually i might have meant to say crawl is "small", or "weirdly shaped" or i forget what i was going for there 14:49:21 do you have any plans for pandemonium and abyss 14:49:26 and to a lesser extent the hells 14:49:37 I'll think I might just leave that as it is 14:49:51 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:49:59 Actually... I might add structures, possibly plants, that give you items but only grow in certain branches 14:50:07 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:50:54 -!- dcssrubot964 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:51:48 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:38 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:48 And for the "small" crawl, I might make the dungeon unlimited large 14:53:13 as in individual levels are unbounded or it goes down forever 14:53:27 goes down forever 14:53:33 Welcome to level 1337 of the dungeon! 14:53:47 it's alligator snapping turtles all the way down 14:54:39 I'll have to change the monster spawning algorithm in some way so the monster spawning is not based on depth as much 14:54:43 Oh, awesome idea! 14:55:38 How about I make the dungeon levels more dynamic even after they are created and branches are created randomly? 14:56:13 While the branches are active they will keep spawning new monsters which get stronger the longer they last 14:56:33 Branches can be shutdown by going into them and defeating a boss, after that, the branch will collapse 14:56:41 How does that sound? 14:57:00 well spawning increasingly difficult monsters is done by the out-of-depth clock but didn't you say you didn't want out of depth spawns 14:57:13 Well, not like that 14:57:32 If they were justified by a player not destroying a branch for 500000 turns though... 14:58:01 By the way, error in the compilation, zlib.h no such file or directory 14:58:14 you need zlib 14:58:57 Oh no, not that... I've had problems with that before I am fairly sure 14:59:52 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:41 -!- substitute has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:26 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:03:37 Alright... what do I have to do? 15:04:10 doesn't the submodule stuff handle zlib? 15:04:19 *shrugs* Apparently not 15:04:52 yeah , i thought the submodule thing fixed that 15:05:05 what did it do when you did the submodule update thing 15:05:17 Dunno, ignored the text? =D 15:05:23 (it should download a bunch of stuff and then install it 15:05:24 I'll just do that again 15:05:25 ) 15:05:51 Hmm... still got the log. Apparently it DID download zlib 15:06:40 'Cloning into crawl-ref/source/contrib/zlib' 15:06:58 And no error after that 15:07:04 Hmm... any ideas? 15:07:17 what's the error you get when you try to do 'make' 15:07:59 fatal error zlib.h no such file or directory 15:08:50 i'm stumped >.> 15:10:38 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:17:38 Anyone? =( 15:19:10 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:24 did you run summodule update inside the crawl folder? 15:19:35 not the crawl-ref one, the crawl one 15:19:42 New Jiyva mutations by 78291 15:19:47 Yes I did 15:19:53 HEy, it'S Cheibriados! 15:20:10 Did you name the god after this developer or the developer after this god? 15:20:18 its a bot named after the god 15:20:37 Damn it, falling for a bot, I'm ashamed 15:21:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:28 not like gods tend to hang out on irc. especially fictional gods from games :p 15:21:31 I sure would like a god named after me :D 15:21:53 :D 15:21:55 -!- Kellhus_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:10 It would've found it quite fun if the gods in the game were named after developers =) 15:22:13 we need a Xom bot 15:22:16 * I would've 15:22:24 Xom thinks this is hilarious! 15:22:55 he can just sit in ##crawl and laugh at notable deaths 15:23:12 and maybe some commits, too 15:23:40 I would not want to meet the developer that Xom was inspired from 15:24:12 gods aren't really fashioned after developers 15:24:45 <|amethyst> Lucas___: Xom is inspired by rand(3) 15:25:19 Hmm... oh well, I gotta go for a bit, thanks for the help so far, everyone! If anyone has an idea about zlib.h , let me know! 15:26:05 <|amethyst> Lucas___: try adding "BUILD_ZLIB=y" to the make command 15:26:26 geekosaur: if they _were_ going to hang out anywhere, this would totally be the place ... 15:26:44 <|amethyst> maybe even BUILD_ALL=y if you need all the contribs 15:29:15 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:41 * mumra discovered sitting right at the end of standard class allows him to use the complimentary free wifi for first class customers 15:33:38 -!- ellifft is now known as kryft 15:35:57 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 15:38:31 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:21 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 15:40:28 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:40:33 -!- Blade-_ is now known as Blade- 15:40:34 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:41:23 Lucas___: reading some of the message log; these ideas are quite interesting because i was thinking about a similar concept in the last couple of days 15:41:49 this is nothing i'll get around to implementing anywhere in the near future but my idea was more of a "Crawl Overworld" 15:42:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: napping. Also Saber] 15:42:44 so you have an infinite overworld level which works a bit like the abyss in terms of level generation / exploration (but without the morphing and with much more structure, less chaos) 15:43:12 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:34 and then you have different sized settlements which will contain randomly generated dungeons of varying theme, size and difficulty 15:45:37 gradually you'll discover clues about the location of the dungeon that contains the zot gate so you can find the orb 15:45:43 something like that anyway :) 15:46:37 but there are a lot of aspects of this that are hugely difficult to implement (some are not so hard) 15:47:39 and this would be an alternate game mode or even an entirely forked game because so many mechanics would have to work significantly differently 15:48:26 e.g. just increasing level and skills caps is massively problematic for ludicrous numbers of reasons 15:51:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:27 -!- ellirc is now known as rchandra 15:56:24 and maybe the scope of this is just way too big for it to be actually useful to base it on crawl's code, it might be better to build a new engine from scratch, perhaps just borrowing crawl's art ;) 15:57:31 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:59:35 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:59:36 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00:16 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:06 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:35 -!- madSimon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:03:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:02 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:08 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 16:10:42 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:10:52 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:07 -!- elliesz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:17:30 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:21:08 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:00 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:26:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:27:55 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:28:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:29:24 -!- mamga has quit [Client Quit] 16:32:21 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:35:55 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36:03 -!- dcssrubot971 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:41:33 You resist. You feel very cold. Maras are frozen. 16:41:41 is jelly form a .12 thing only? 16:42:48 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44:33 i think it's a bad_form 16:44:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:44:46 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:01 i'd be surprised if there hadn't already been some discussion about whether it should also be a jiyva ability 16:49:45 i suspect it's usefulness would be extremely limited, what with it being a bad_form and all; and i don't think we could so easily get rid of friendly jellies eating items, since it would remove a very interesting pro/con factors of jiyva 16:50:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:22 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:55:53 oh, they'd still eat them 16:55:58 and you'd get mana and piety 16:56:17 just not the hp and nutrtion 16:58:17 what happens if you're a jester and go xom 16:58:51 seeing as how they have permaxomwrath 17:00:28 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:20 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:18 ontoclasm: the more interesting question is why hadn't anyone even asked that yet? ;) (i guess nobody even considers dropping nem) 17:09:46 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 17:09:53 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10:00 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:10:11 Eronarn: there's a mantis ticket already for that Maras message -- it's not so easy to fix 17:10:22 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:11:40 actually i think the biggest issue is deciding what the message _should_ say ... 17:11:46 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:49 "Mara, Mara and Mara are frozen"? 17:11:54 "The Maras are frozen?" 17:13:40 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:50 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:50 Marę are frozen 17:15:09 "Mara et al are frozen." 17:15:52 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:16:45 so many great options :) 17:17:08 should randomly pick one of these each time 17:18:07 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:42 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:18 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:21:37 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:26:27 -!- sbanwart has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:31:09 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 17:34:54 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:37:21 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:37:21 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 17:38:07 <|amethyst> Get the justice you deserve with Mara, Mara, and Mara Law Office 17:46:57 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:47:52 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:48:58 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:08 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 17:51:12 So this is reasonably disastrous .... You know how technology and liquids aren't usually the best bedfellows? 17:51:50 Well, I'll be back tomorrow, see you guys 17:52:09 -!- Lucas__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:52:10 -!- Lucas___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:53:38 sounds like a story 17:55:05 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:56:12 -!- mumra has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:56:15 Dalvant (L13 DEIE) (Lair:1) 17:56:57 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:00:08 elliott: i'd be more inclined to call it a fable, since it has a moral at the end 18:01:45 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:31 wow, the impressive thing is that everything is working 18:03:46 i have to highly recommend overclockers brand laptops, this isn't even the first time liquids have been introduced to the equation 18:04:32 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:06:23 i'd also strongly recommend not storing canned beverages in the same compartment as power plugs 18:08:51 * elliott waits for mumra's computer to explode 18:08:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:36 interestingly, it's running quieter than usual ... this is somewhat ominous 18:10:39 it's too quiet... too too quiet 18:12:59 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:30:31 -!- Dalvant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:33:58 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:39:39 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:07 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:51:46 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:34 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:10:50 !lm Dalvant type=crash -log 19:22:13 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:09 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:02 -!- New_to_crawl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:31:44 -!- jeanjacques has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- Napkin has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- ivan`` has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- Fleurka has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- yuastnav has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- fiyawerx has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:44 -!- Pedjt has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- othiym23 has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- ekix has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- faze has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- joosa has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- Kaput has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- caracal has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- sinoth has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- iasov has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- kek has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- blackcustard has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- Melum has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- Soundlust has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- varmin has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- scorchgeek_ has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:45 -!- xorp has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- sgiratch has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- Orionstein has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- dcssrubot339 has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- johlstei_ has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- yalue has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- tJener has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- Wah has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- atrodo has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- kryft has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- Kalir has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- smeea has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- minqmay has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:46 -!- rwbarton has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- SamB has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- morik_ has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- Porost has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- broquaint has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- codile has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 19:31:47 -!- Rjs has quit [*.net *.split] 19:32:25 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:34:57 -!- phyphor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:26 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:36:01 and I have to disrecommend Mali 400 graphics cards. Would you ever think someone would produce a card whose HDMI interface works only with monitors with physical vertical resolution 720 or 1080? 19:36:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:36:42 wasted several hours trying a stack of cables and a set of monitors, none of which happened to have such a resolution, before reading their forums 19:36:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:38:34 -!- 15SAA9N98 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:47:07 I can tell there's a story behind that but this probably isn't the place 19:47:39 Show (unknown) in the shopping list and stash tracker by Medar 19:47:48 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:26 -!- gluop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:24 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:57:13 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:03:06 -!- gluop has quit [Client Quit] 20:04:06 -!- faze has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:59 -!- Blade- has quit 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sequell, chei, and gretell arent responding to queries since that netsplit earlier 20:15:04 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:50 they are now 20:18:06 I think henzell and sequell are the only bots with issues actually 20:18:51 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 20:19:09 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:20 sequell is hopeless without greensnark 20:19:51 maybe |amethyst or rax could restart henzell, though 20:32:00 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:32:51 -!- Steampun1Duck has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:42 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:15 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:39:16 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:39:18 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:39:45 -!- Jolly_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:04 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:52 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:55 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hold on 20:46:14 it looks like freenode fixed something 5 minutes ago or so 20:47:04 wheeeeeeee 20:47:10 I kicked it but I think it was freenode's action that mattered more than mine :) 20:47:14 thanks 20:47:38 yeah, people seem to get msesages queued for ages and then it all floods 20:47:45 it's some kind of weird pseudo-netsplit 20:51:55 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130326150557]] 20:52:51 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:32 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:54:14 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:14 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:02 -!- Henzell has quit [Excess Flood] 21:03:04 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:30 -!- broquaint has 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[2013-02-23 01:32:17] eeviac the Severer (L12 DrBe) ASSERT(monster by mid(m->mid) == m) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 455 failed on turn 16296. (Abyss:1) 21:29:47 that is not it 21:29:51 hm 21:32:11 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:56 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:49 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:37:25 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:04 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:42:51 eeviac: there's been some problems with the bots so maybe they dropped the crashlog somehow 21:43:21 welp if it was a crash, I was playing .12 21:45:09 mumra: not likely, the problems with the bots were just issues with freenode 21:45:22 ok 21:45:28 some crashes just don't get dumped properly 21:45:35 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:45:35 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:39 !lm eeviac crash -log 21:45:40 16. eeviac, XL12 DrBe, T:16296 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/eeviac/crash-eeviac-20130223-013217.txt 21:45:56 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/eeviac/crash-recursive-eeviac-20130406-022717.txt 21:45:58 is it 21:46:06 this crash-recursive thing 21:46:40 I'm not sure, it might've been another oka-gift-crash thing like I got last week 21:47:26 I was at 5* piety and was killingadude when the game locked, I never saw a gift message 21:48:19 am I reading this right, was I being gifted an artefact weapon 21:48:54 looks like it I guess 21:49:17 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:42 the fight involved lots of tab, as all of my fights do 21:53:11 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 21:53:54 should I mantis this crashing deal 21:57:36 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:04:08 Divine confusion without apparent wrath by Kyrris 22:06:07 okay, what does pie:quote have to do with pie, exactly? 22:06:12 -!- Luxivar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:48 it's about blindness 22:07:01 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-186-g9b2bc19 22:14:38 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:18:24 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:19:12 http://pastebin.com/czZXQWgj 22:19:19 On a scale of 1-10, how evil is this 22:20:13 Lightli: about 0.6 mussolinis 22:20:24 What's with the inaccessible box on the left? 22:20:28 I don't know 22:20:53 needs no_rtele_into 22:21:01 ... or just fill in the box. 22:21:10 filled it in 22:21:29 Or just chop off the entire left side of the vault. 22:21:29 Point is, is it worthy of getting into Crawl? It's kind of a jerk move 22:21:53 It's, er, spoilery. 22:22:20 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:12 It's supposed to be a trap 22:23:24 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:21 Simplify OS X build and default to clang by HenryFlower 22:24:50 In more light-hearted fare... 22:24:51 http://pastebin.com/sGYYHPnQ 22:25:20 Hah. 22:25:28 I'm not the only person who does vaults like that, I see. :b 22:25:39 Also, sixfirhies? 22:25:42 hmm, wonder if HenryFlower could make an updated .12 OSX build ... 22:25:44 I would have done flying skulls. 22:25:56 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:06 Where's the loot in the centre and the wings? :b 22:26:10 Flying skulls are complete jokes by that point 22:26:17 The vault is a complete joke, so. 22:26:19 >_> 22:26:26 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:26:39 I would have added loot, but they said no loot allowed outside of the final floor in the Hells 22:26:57 (yeah, yeah, I'm trying to go along with the joke here :b) 22:27:53 why is there a singular hell sentinel in the top-left square? 22:28:03 Because there isn't a cyberdemon in DCSS 22:28:06 ... 22:28:14 I was going to say, "do you not recognise the layout?" 22:28:33 It's hard to from a top-down prespective 22:28:47 Hey, I recognised it instantly from a top-down perspective. :) 22:28:57 ohhhh 22:29:42 Lightli, for your amusement, http://pastebin.com/8EnkyisJ 22:30:09 (that's not quite finished IMO, but you get the idea) 22:30:26 Yeah, there aren't any hell knights either 22:30:33 Sure there are!!! 22:30:46 I guess cyberdemons would be considered anachronistic? 22:31:13 1learn add SamB 22:32:06 We could give it a siege crossbow and make it shoot explosive bolts 22:32:16 fr: buff explosive bolts so they don't suck 22:33:19 Lightli: They already have bolts of fire; isn't that sufficient? 22:33:24 hell knight (05@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 51-83 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40), 05hellfire | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 816 | Sp: pain (d13), b.fire (3d18), blink / pain (d13), throw flame (3d8), haste | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:33:24 %??hell knight 22:34:07 Yes. We also need to add siege crossbows 22:34:28 ...duh 22:35:26 Maybe they should hurl fireballs instead :b 22:35:55 bad monster colour "orange" in "hell knight name:baron_of_hell n_rpl n_des col:orange hd:18 spells:fireball" 22:35:55 %??hell knight name:baron_of_hell n_rpl n_des col:orange hd:18 spells:fireball 22:36:02 iood seems more true to the original since you can dodge it 22:36:02 baron of hell (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 94-137 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(72), 05hellfire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2610 | Sp: fireball (3d28) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:36:02 %??hell knight name:baron_of_hell n_rpl n_des col:lightred hd:18 spells:fireball 22:36:14 baron of hell (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 94-137 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(72), 05hellfire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2610 | Sp: mystic blast (3d22) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:36:14 %??hell knight name:baron_of_hell n_rpl n_des col:lightred hd:18 spells:iskenderun's_mystic_blast 22:36:23 -!- dcssrubot712 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:36 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:37:06 It needs to be green 22:37:28 So in other words, ACID 22:38:03 maybe a poison spell 22:38:58 baron of hell (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 94-137 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(72), 05hellfire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2610 | Sp: poison arrow (3d25) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:38:58 %??hell knight name:baron_of_hell n_rpl n_des col:lightred hd:18 spells:poison_arrow 22:39:57 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-187-g1f2ddec: Fix up a couple of descriptions. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f2ddecb65ee 22:41:12 cyberdemon (081) | Spd: 10 | HD: 25 | HP: 162-212 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6815 | Sp: fireball (3d37) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:41:12 %??hell sentinel name:cyberdemon n_rpl n_des col:yellow hd:25 spells:fireball 22:44:17 bad monster colour "darkyellow" in "titan name:cyberdemon n_rpl n_des col:darkyellow hd:25 spells:fireball hp:400" 22:44:17 %??titan name:cyberdemon n_rpl n_des col:darkyellow hd:25 spells:fireball hp:400 22:44:27 cyberdemon (07C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 25 | HP: 400 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(233), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 15000 | Sp: fireball (3d37) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 22:44:27 %??titan name:cyberdemon n_rpl n_des col:brown hd:25 spells:fireball hp:400 22:46:16 wait no too much like a fire giant only stronger 22:47:00 cyberdemon (07C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 25 | HP: 400 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(133), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 15000 | Sp: fireball (3d37) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 22:47:00 %??stone_giant name:cyberdemon n_rpl n_des col:brown hd:25 spells:fireball hp:400 22:47:54 cyberdemons should confuse and paralyze with lolcats and bad porn and mislead with blog entries :p 22:48:29 and badwiki 22:50:22 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:51:52 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53:57 -!- the_glow_m_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:55:24 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:57:27 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:58:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:34 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:37 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 23:00:37 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:41 hi 23:01:07 hello! 23:01:34 can I get a ttyrec of a game in progress? 23:03:04 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:23 bh: which server? 23:04:28 mumra: cszo 23:04:47 bh: you should be able to... 23:04:48 bh: http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/ 23:05:00 http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/bh/ 23:05:02 Find the last one :) 23:05:15 !gain foo by caleb 23:05:58 I kind of noticed 23:06:31 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:06:42 Wait, why do Zot traps go off on you if a monster steps on it? 23:07:29 "Zot traps are out to get *the player*! Hostile monsters benefit and friendly monsters suffer. Such is life." 23:07:35 (Why? I have no idea.) 23:08:05 because zot 23:08:21 fr: have Zot traps do more things 23:08:56 examples? 23:09:13 -!- browncustard has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:43 I don't know, replicate a random bad potion effect? 23:10:24 Banish a potion/scroll/consumable from your inventory? 23:10:55 they can already destroy potions and scrolls with clouds can't they? 23:11:01 oh 23:11:06 THen I'm out of ideas 23:11:12 and they can already cause mutations which is a bad potion effect 23:11:16 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:11:19 and the other bad potions aren't really that terrifying in Zot 23:12:01 (i could be wrong about the item destruction, on the other hand we already have specific cloud traps for this...) 23:12:11 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:12:31 good trap effects are hard to come by, you see 23:12:38 (the idea being it would ignore preservation and just banish it to the abyss) 23:12:52 (obviously you would be able to find it there again later) 23:13:21 -!- browncustard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14:04 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 23:15:31 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:16:35 item destruction was basically the biggest complaint from players in the zot thread and we're talking more about drac breath than traps 23:17:27 not that that's a reason on its own, but probably conservation-ignoring additional sources of destruction are a little unfair even in zot 23:17:30 suppression trap would be good 23:17:48 moth trap 23:18:06 i did one of those new zigs yesterday 23:18:11 and those moths caused me the most trouble 23:18:15 even more than pan lord zigs 23:18:29 !send mikee_ a silent spectre and a moth of suppression 23:18:29 Sending a silent spectre and a moth of suppression to mikee_. 23:18:37 silent spectre is nothing =P 23:18:42 "random aura trap" could be quite interesting especially as it has a double-edged component 23:19:01 !send mikee_ 27 panlords to go along with those 23:19:02 Sending 27 panlords to go along with those to mikee_. 23:19:19 that's actually kind of realistic since pan lords can have silence 23:19:32 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:07 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:21:48 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 23:24:31 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:24:32 -!- browncustard has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:37 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:27:23 -!- ykkie has quit [Changing host] 23:29:12 -!- browncustard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:35:03 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:25 * SamB didn't know we still had gas traps 23:42:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:01 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:43:03 -!- Luxivar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:05 Well, see, they're quite the gas. 23:44:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:49:52 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:56:08 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 23:58:23 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]