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Conjures an orb that follows the caster around and will fire at your target whenever you cast projectile-based conjurations. Does modest damage, but has good mp efficiency. 01:02:41 is it made of metal? 01:02:52 maybe it can rust or something 01:03:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 01:03:56 it is an orb of energy 01:03:59 it is made of battle 01:04:11 anyone who responds otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about 01:04:11 okay, probably it is a bug 01:05:08 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:15 make a patch and maybe I will push it without bothering to check that it actually compiles ;-P 01:05:20 or maybe I will check 01:05:46 finally, the opportunity to remove ctele presents itself! 01:05:55 * elliott hastily prepares an incredibly benign patch. 01:06:20 I didn't say I wouldn't look at it at all 01:07:30 dammit 01:07:47 lol 01:08:12 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:03 -!- eb has quit [] 01:13:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:50 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:16:53 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 01:22:43 -!- Melum 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Do you think I can pick it for 0.12? 10:49:18 galehar: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 10:49:34 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:52:17 -!- Soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:57 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:04 03MarvinPA 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-20-g42abf4b: Update changelog 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42abf4bf1adf 11:01:23 -!- faz___ is now known as faz 11:02:25 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:56 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:04:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:08 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08:04 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Changing server...] 11:09:10 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:24 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:50 galehar: bbbut didn't we agree that recalling in potions is better? 11:13:30 does steel brand ammo stack with velocity brand crossbow? 11:14:51 dpeg: it would also be harder to do, because then you have to decide how to mix recalling on-level and off-level creatures 11:15:07 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:17:50 We will see how it plays, but I am not convinced that recall and recall-stop is the most intuitive way of doing it. 11:19:41 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:11 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:27 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23:06 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 11:28:12 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:31 Trying to confuse yourself amuses Xom even with clarity on by Medar 11:30:10 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:35 like alefury said. stop recall is very simple to implement, it can go in 0.12 11:32:10 -!- dcssrubot866 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:05 recalling a squad is tricky with the current implementation 11:34:06 it can be experimented in 0.13 although I'd still rather work toward eemoving recall :-) 11:34:37 alright! 11:36:36 What's planned for .13? 11:37:18 Removing recall? Wouldn't that make Beogh even WORSE? 11:38:12 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:13 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 11:41:22 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:42:56 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:43:24 we'll only remove it if it's not needed anymore 11:43:35 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:43:52 if allies are really good at following you 11:43:55 massively reducing the number of allies you get is a step that needs to be taken 11:44:13 that to 11:45:33 But half the reason Beogh exists is to have an army of orcs following you 11:46:20 Also, Yred. 11:47:13 (like Beogh, only your cannon fodder can kill things and your elites are undead dragons and angels. Also you can equip your ghouls to make them into orc warlords only stronger 11:49:22 But yeah, what's being planned for .13? 11:49:53 Lightli: there are no official plans 11:50:06 you don't need 50 allies. ~12 is enough 11:50:22 What about unofficial plans 11:50:25 Say that to summoners 11:50:32 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:50:44 we're more focused on releasing .12 for now 11:51:04 summons might get a limit too 11:51:08 oh god, there probably is a secret cabal of Crawl players that believes that summoning is the best school too 11:51:23 there's a plan to nerf crele 11:51:31 Crele? 11:51:51 is that a type of cheese or something? 11:52:02 control teleport 11:52:41 Was there any crawl update that would have doubled or tripled bandwidth usage since March 1st? 11:53:07 How do you nerf that? 11:53:07 I guess removing the spell, making the mutation rarer, and making the ring rarer would do the trick 11:53:35 April 1st? 11:53:46 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:54:04 check c-r-d, there's a mail about it 11:54:23 -!- OminousNom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:55:07 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:56:06 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:10 galehar: but no replies to the new proposal yet :( 11:56:18 What's the new proposal 11:56:22 got disconnected, sorry 11:56:37 does shallott.org belong to anyone here? 11:56:47 er one l 11:57:14 that is greensnark I think? 11:57:19 ah 11:57:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:14 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:58:48 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 11:58:52 There we go 11:59:02 Have you guys decided on the summoning limit yet? 11:59:10 thanks, will contact him! 12:00:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:01:19 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:02:55 Lightli: no, summon cap has been talked about since 0.7 or so. It will probably come some day, but that would be precisely 0.13 I don't see :) 12:04:28 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe 12:05:57 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: train] 12:07:05 i'm quite interested in looking at summons caps for .13 but as to exactly what the limit(s) will be, that probably needs some discussion, and is a changeable quantity in any case 12:07:05 mumra: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:08:10 what if ctele were imperfect? 12:08:11 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:08:16 well, more imperfect 12:08:22 !messages 12:08:23 (1/1) HangedMan said (14h 22m 33s ago): http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/media/3189/27.407.05%20Colonial%20jellyfish%20Apolemia%20uvaria.jpg 12:08:44 chihuli? 12:09:54 -!- sgiratch has quit [Changing host] 12:10:46 ontoclasm: did you read evilmike's idea? it was the result of some irc discussion a few weeks ago 12:11:03 and he sent it to crd a few days ago 12:11:29 Lightli: removing the spell / making the ring extremely rare - that actually makes the problem even worse 12:11:45 because now there is an extremely rare item that completely changes the game 12:11:49 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:55 startscumming, etc. 12:12:54 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:15:04 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16:13 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 12:18:01 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:33 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-140-g22fb491 (34) 12:22:18 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:23:56 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:05 -!- Sky___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28:50 alefury: ah, yes 12:31:41 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 12:35:32 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:26 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 12:39:13 -!- Lightli_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:39:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:22 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-141-g29ec0f8: Remove unneeded blank line. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29ec0f8a0a56 12:40:22 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-142-g2c3b6ee: Typo fix. 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c3b6ee8e9b6 12:45:28 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-143-gd4c7893: Constify. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4c789355317 12:55:51 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:56:16 hey, about #6867 "Auto Pickup picking up extra rings unecessarily" ... how about we just let lua run regex searches against the stash tracker like with ^F in game? count the matches, if there are two mathces for "ring of fire resistance", and you.race() ~= "octopode" then don't grab it 12:56:36 we could even add the required code to the default exceptions, or advanced_optioneering 12:56:57 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:12 this is probably something I could implement if it seems like a good idea 12:58:41 it's a bit hacky, but that's not exactly new for crawl rcs 13:00:53 -!- frobop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:02:17 -!- dcssrubot679 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:46 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:17 Honestly a more useful feature for me personally would be allowing marking extra rings as "only pick one". 13:11:35 Who really wants to autopickup two sustain abilities rings? 13:14:26 people with det 3 in tomb :P 13:17:38 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:56 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-144-g469b2b9: Add missing brackets. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=469b2b967daf 13:20:56 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-145-ge13c8a7: Constify. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e13c8a709a02 13:21:20 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:13 -!- ChongLi_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:23:34 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 13:26:52 Medar: you can already do that: by default you won't autopickup two rings of teleport control, for instance 13:27:16 but it is implemented by just not picking up any identified rings of teleport control 13:27:21 which is sort of hacky also 13:28:04 Oh right, so I just add an autopickup_exception for sustain abilities 13:28:21 maybe jewellery just shouldn't autopick up 13:28:34 like armour, if the user wants to have elaborate logic for whether to pick it up it can be done in lua 13:31:40 Medar: we have that hack in place already 13:31:45 yes 13:31:47 exactly 13:31:50 Yeah, got it. 13:31:56 ... okay i only read part of the message log then responded 13:31:59 >.> 13:32:36 Does Ash ever identify rings before you pick them up? 13:35:17 not from what I recall, but I could be wrong 13:35:33 Medar: yes 13:36:05 this can cause stuff to not be autopickuped iirc 13:37:09 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 13:38:19 -!- spriseris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:30 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:46:53 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:19:16 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:24:06 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:26 galehar: I tested stop recall a little and it seems fine. I don't have any real objection to it going into 0.12, as a complement to the recall change itself 14:25:33 It does need an icon, though 14:25:46 (And a description, but I have already pushed one now) 14:27:08 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:27:48 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:28:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:32 stop recall? 14:29:50 Does exactly what it says on the tin (lets you cancel an active Yred/Beogh recall) 14:30:41 ah 14:31:49 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-146-g1dfed36: Update descriptions for Yred/Beogh recall and stop recall 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dfed36bd12f 14:32:04 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:32:24 ugh, at some point i need to redo all the spell and ability icons 14:32:28 -!- dcssrubot848 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:31 they're all... yeah 14:32:49 I don't think many are that bad, really 14:33:42 In any case, this doesn't need anything special. Just something existent :P 14:34:06 draw a bunch of lil dudes with a :( face because they don't get to join the party 14:34:44 Haha 14:34:46 "Oh boy, it's time for a fight! I'll be right there guys!!!" 14:34:52 "......guys?" 14:35:16 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1000017/crawl/stoprecall.png 14:35:29 (super boring) 14:36:40 Super boring is completely fine 14:36:42 imo my idea is at least fifty times better 14:36:45 It just needs to not look like a ? 14:43:45 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 14:47:17 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52:06 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-147-g19013d4: Fix an improperly tagged vault 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19013d4d3861 14:53:28 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:00:49 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:01:06 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:23 Okay, there's definitely something wrong. There's ANOTHER person who has hit an alarm trap on D:1 15:02:27 No vaults involved this time 15:02:34 !lg * status=~mark 15:02:35 8. MenganitoFZ the Skirmisher (L2 HuWn), slain by a bat on D:1 on 2013-04-04 19:37:49, with 67 points after 335 turns and 0:05:02. 15:02:43 (I watched the tv) 15:03:25 that can happen if a shaft generates in a corridor 15:03:32 fun facts 15:04:07 What? 15:04:21 seriously 15:04:24 WHAT? 15:04:26 if a shaft generates in a corridor it's rerolled 15:04:29 if that gives a shaft again 15:04:31 it becomes an alarm trap 15:04:34 .... 15:04:39 I repeat: what? -.- 15:04:42 no idea whatsoever why it doesn't just use a loop 15:04:45 How about it just become nothing? 15:04:45 but hey, there you go! 15:04:56 well I think it's already placed the feature or something by that point 15:05:13 Well, thanks for saving me the trouble to figure out how the heck this is happening, anyway 15:05:25 When I brought this up the other night, no one had any idea 15:05:55 who knew that filling levels with as many shaft traps as possible for rwbarton would help crawl out in the end 15:06:02 Haha 15:06:09 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:36 -!- Zermako has quit [] 15:08:00 Really, turning it into an alarm is okay, so long as an alarm is VALID there 15:08:08 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:08:26 i'd just make it loop while it gets a shaft trap, it would be shorter code to boot and match what's done elsewhere 15:08:35 Yes 15:08:54 Theoretically an infinite loop if somehow you are in a place where no trap is valid BUT shafts, but uh... 15:09:04 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:15 Since those places don't exist and aren't likely to ever exist 15:09:40 fr shaft branch 15:09:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:01 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:13 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:13:01 -!- Kratok has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:20:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:21:41 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:46 -!- Zyro_Mane has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:49 ontoclasm: Were you going to commit that tile, by the way, or are you unhappy with it? :P 15:27:16 -!- rossi has quit [Client Quit] 15:29:14 -!- ZyroMane has quit [Quit: ZyroMane] 15:32:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-148-g22d6cde: Reroll shafts placed in corridors instead of turning them into alarms 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=22d6cde50f9d 15:33:33 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:24 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:42:42 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-149-gdb5d8b0: Add missing brackets. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db5d8b008ba0 15:42:42 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-150-g97a32b5: Comment fixes. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97a32b5a2f10 15:50:34 -!- frobop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:05 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:01:07 DracoOmega: oh, yeah, sure 16:01:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:02:34 -!- dcssrubot632 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:06:32 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:10 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08:56 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 16:12:39 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:53 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:43 -!- ykstort is now known as ykkie 16:18:09 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-151-g5849fcd: Stop recall ability icon 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5849fcdb67d3 16:18:09 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-152-g1daaca7: Spirit tile (in unused) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1daaca71578d 16:25:05 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:31:15 Hmmm... now that I see them in-game, the new wand tiles look a lot smaller than the old ones 16:31:56 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Saber] 16:32:09 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:33:20 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-153-gc1c908f: Hell hound tile 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1c908fc5993 16:33:23 that's intentional 16:33:47 Oh? 16:33:53 i wanted to make a clearer differentiation between wands, rods, and staves 16:34:15 since atm they are all the same length, same angle, and all sticks with maybe a thing on the end 16:34:30 Well, aren't these closer to the rod tiles than the old wand tiles were? 16:34:33 Being smaller 16:34:37 yeah 16:34:41 i'm going to redo the rods soon 16:34:47 are you planning to make staves point like | or \ ? 16:35:30 well, the problem with putting them like \ is that icons go in the lower right 16:36:03 so i'm thinking i'll leave staves as they are and tilt rods to be more vertical 16:36:26 so wands are short / , staves are long / , rods are | 16:36:35 Well, I don't think staffs ever looked much like the other two, personally 16:36:57 yeah, rods are the main problem 16:37:16 Vertical does give less space to work with, though 16:37:27 There's a reason nearly every straight object is on a diagonal in their icons 16:37:33 -!- Datul_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:37:40 Well, I'll reserve judgement until I see them, anyway :P 16:37:47 hah 16:38:03 yeah, i'll try a couple different things 16:38:08 and see what looks best 16:38:36 do the wands look good at least? 16:41:16 I think they look nice, but I do feel they would like nicer if they were a bit larger (though I realize that is a non-trivial change at this point) 16:41:33 Also, the lead one seems a bit close in color to the background that it rests on in your inventory 16:41:46 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:29 It doesn't quite disappear into it, but it is noticably less visible than most items 16:42:46 (Doesn't matter a lot once it is identified, of course, since the icon is plenty visible) 16:43:39 actually making them longer is pretty easy 16:44:15 and i'll make the lead one brighter 16:49:17 maybe we could put stave icons in the lower-left? 16:49:35 yeah 16:51:43 I don't like that 16:51:49 It's inconsistent with everything 16:52:31 As I said, I don't think staves were ever easily confused with the other types anyway 16:53:31 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:54:09 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:17 * SamB doesn't think he'd know 16:56:44 okay, i lengthened all the wands by two pixels and fixed the dark ones 16:57:49 Okay, I'll have a look 16:58:15 Haha, oh yeah, needs make clean 16:58:33 I have the angry Ash detection faces plastered all over the inventory background at the moment 16:58:51 It's sort of funny to have my rings growling at me 17:00:33 ring magic works by enslaving little souls 17:02:40 Heh 17:03:42 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-154-g360e689: Wand edits 10(7 minutes ago, 12 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=360e689e5746 17:04:36 something's wrong with the build system if you need to make clean to get the tiles to work right ... 17:05:07 Hmmm... I suppose that is a good point. I had stopped thinking about that 17:05:21 I think it happens when new tiles are added or something? 17:05:30 Screws up the offsets for the existing ones 17:07:19 ontoclasm: In any case, these do look better, I think. Lead one is still a little blendy, but it IS lead so there may not be a lot you can do there. The glass one looks really weird to me, though 17:07:55 Like, it really doesn't look like glass so much as an unfinished outline (no offense intended) 17:09:22 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:09:52 DracoOmega: what's left outdated, the actual images, the headers, or the .o files that should be rebuilt when the headers have changed? 17:10:17 The image is updated (or there wouldn't even be a problem, I think) 17:10:29 I hadn't really looked into it 17:10:55 well, if any one of those things gets left stale, that would be enough to do it, wouldn't it? 17:11:00 Yes 17:11:14 But I think the image is updated since new tiles are visible 17:11:27 Which wouldn't happen if they hadn't been updated with the new tiles 17:11:33 ah 17:12:34 ontoclasm: Also, unrelated, but is the ? that comes from 'tried, but unidentified' items offset differently than it used to be? It looks further left than I remember (and actually on top of the border between the item and the next one) 17:12:42 SamB: yes, the problem is that the offsets don't get changed, but i have no clue how build code works so i can't fix it 17:13:05 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:16 the galss one was kind of experimental and i agree it didn't work well >.> 17:13:21 i'll try something different 17:13:23 Like, it looks 2-4 pixels or so left of where it should be 17:13:27 hm 17:13:27 I am not sure when this happened? 17:13:38 I might, I could be imagining it, but I don't think so 17:13:40 i don't think i've altered that particular thing 17:13:43 I'll load up an old version 17:13:49 Yes, I didn't think it was intentional 17:14:59 i wish i could remember how i made the glass ring :/ 17:15:11 it looks totally like glass and i have no idea how i did that 17:15:13 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:16:08 Okay, I appear to be mistaken 17:16:19 Since it's in the same place in 0.11, too, though I could have SWORN it was more right than that 17:17:06 maybe the tiles recompiling issue is related to #6870? 17:17:43 well, even if it hasn't changed i can change it now 17:17:44 anyway, it would be great if someone could figure it out. Having to make clean is a PITA 17:18:08 ontoclasm: Yes, it probably could be slightly more to the right (though it IS strange how it distinctly feels like it has moved) 17:18:23 !mantis 6870 17:18:30 !mantis #6870 17:18:55 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6870 17:19:01 galehar: I have no idea. I don't pretend to understand the makefile at all 17:19:18 You feel a rush of antiknowledge. 17:19:21 best message 17:19:22 * SamB was trying to get a bot to do it 17:19:43 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:43 oh yeah, that does seem way too far left 17:19:48 interesing 17:22:11 Maybe I just never really noticed before since I hadn't been staring that closely at wands? :P 17:22:32 well, also it only shows up in the inventroy box on local tiles 17:22:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:01 I look at the inventory box in local tiles a lot! 17:23:18 xD 17:23:32 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 17:23:58 anyway, i'll try and figure out how to move it later xD 17:24:14 Sure 17:25:03 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:23 galehar: I don't think that's it, because we're seeing these problems in situations where tilegen didn't need rebuilding ... 17:26:46 so, clang has a separate preprocessor, has it? 17:29:48 I mean GCC has too, sort-of, but normally it doesn't run that when compiling as I understand things 17:32:39 -!- dcssrubot683 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:38 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:36 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:29 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:39:29 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 17:40:30 kilobyte: hmm, is there any point in keeping NO_INLINE_DEPGEN around? It doesn't look like rltiles/Makefile supports this mode, so is there some particular *cross*-compiler that doesn't support -MMD ? 17:41:55 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:41:56 * SamB tries to remember why there are three colon-separated pieces in the line "$(DEPS): %.d: %.cc" 17:47:44 ontoclasm: you've sneaked in a pie bugfix in 5849fcd 17:47:49 a missing break 17:48:59 looks like there's another bug the case below 17:49:02 (another missing break) 17:49:44 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:01 it falls in default anyway which just breaks 17:50:01 there ought to be some sort of tool that catches falling through cases in a switch block 17:50:09 oh 17:50:33 you can turn on warnings, or see if someone's managed to replicate lint yet... 17:50:37 but it could be good to add as useless break to avoid the same bug next time someone adds a new missile type 17:50:59 eclipse warns for such things 17:51:11 but some falling through are intentional 17:51:18 there are many in crawl's code 17:52:06 that was one of the nice things about lint. /*FALLTHROUGH*/ 17:52:09 yes. there are ways to make lint know that this fall-through is intentional 17:52:15 eg ^ 18:01:18 Hmm, any reason why lua item function pluses is dlua only? 18:02:47 Guess I can just parse .name() though 18:03:24 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:22 Cherry-picked 3 commits into stone_soup-0.12 18:06:06 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:09 maybe it reveals plusses even when you don't know them 18:07:23 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:52 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:27 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:11:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:12:11 If I'm not reading the code wrong, it doesn't. Checks ISFLAG_KNOW_PLUSES. 18:12:55 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:20:44 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:21:14 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:21:38 -!- ryansee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:22:29 DracoOmega_: Pacra has been noticing monsters opening sealed doors. 18:26:27 Pretty sure it's intentional. Unless it's allied creatures. 18:26:48 that doesn't sound very well sealed 18:27:06 ??sealed door 18:27:07 I don't have a page labeled sealed_door in my learndb. 18:27:08 ??sealed doors 18:27:09 I don't have a page labeled sealed_doors in my learndb. 18:27:23 ??runed door 18:27:24 runed door[1/1]: A door that autoexplore or monsters won't open on their own. Will cease being runed after you open it. 18:27:34 this is referring to the vaults monster thing I think 18:27:36 not a runed door 18:27:46 ??vault warden 18:27:47 vault warden[1/3]: A stronger vault guard with the ability to close and seal all nearby doors, preventing the player or allied creatures from opening them while the seal is active. The seal will dissipate on its own after a while, or be removed immediately if the warden dies. 18:27:51 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:27:54 "the player or allied creatures" 18:28:01 ...okay. 18:28:31 ??vault warden[3 18:28:32 vault warden[3/3]: Sealed doors can still be blown up in all the same ways as normal doors. 18:28:38 Pretty sure that entry is wrong btw. 18:28:38 it's totally impossible that this learndb entry has been altered by some nefarious entity, after all 18:29:29 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8e8d2a93f1bd4a63be5b8b3c96821406a63778f3 18:30:52 %git 8e8d2a93f1bd4a63be5b8b3c96821406a63778f3 18:31:05 03DracoOmega * 0.12-a0-2471-g8e8d2a9: Properly allow monsters to open sealed doors, unless they're friendly 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e8d2a93f1bd 18:31:05 !git 8e8d2a93f1bd4a63be5b8b3c96821406a63778f3 18:31:13 Fancy. 18:31:14 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:32 -!- Twinge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:52 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:32:02 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:34:03 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:34:42 03Arien Malec 07* 0.13-a0-155-g612746b: Remove deprecated preprocessor options 10(26 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=612746bd349a 18:38:48 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:39:34 -!- Twinge_ is now known as Twinge 18:44:55 ontoclasm: your hell hound hindlegs look weird 18:46:14 or denzi's i guess, i dont know who did what 18:46:22 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:27 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:49:53 03Arien Malec 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-24-g117ff1b: Remove deprecated preprocessor options 10(26 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=117ff1bfae36 18:50:48 -!- OminousNom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:57:45 okay, this is most perplexing; how is tiledef-unrand.cc generated and why is it in rltiles/Makefile's clean rule when it is evidently not built there? 19:01:27 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:02:01 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:02:08 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:44 SamB: looks like it is generated in rltiles/Makefile? look for TILEGEN 19:02:45 -!- dcssrubot871 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:55 -!- Isaiah_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:57 (it's a pattern rule) 19:02:59 geekosaur: it isn't 19:03:58 looks like generated by pattern rule from dc-unrand.txt which is itself generated 19:03:58 I can tell because when it *is* generated, that happens before entering the rltiles directory 19:04:40 also now I found the code in art-data.pl 19:05:27 yeh, dc-unrand.txt points to that 19:05:58 kinda sounds like it used to be generated by that Makefile and got moved, possibly because it was needed sooner or something 19:06:01 tiledef-unrand.cc actually does, too 19:10:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:10:43 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:26 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:14:21 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:16:13 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:18:36 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:20:14 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-156-ga7dde53: Shift the 'tried item' question mark 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7dde53666bc 19:21:22 ...a rather questionable change <_______________< 19:27:14 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:20 -!- mrwooster has left ##crawl-dev 19:28:30 -!- hughtht5 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:30 -!- hughtht5 has quit [Client Quit] 19:29:09 -!- hughht5 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:47 -!- DracoOmega_ is now known as DracoOmega 19:33:16 Grunt: Friendly monsters or hostile ones? 19:34:32 -!- Bomanz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:35:20 DracoOmega: Probably hostile monsters, which I understand is intentional. 19:35:31 It is, yes 19:35:49 Since it isn't supposed to end up being HELPFUL 19:38:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:49 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:20 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:31 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52:39 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:56:02 rebthor (L20 HECj) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 80) (Vaults:3) 19:56:24 !lm rebthor crash -log 19:56:26 1. rebthor, XL20 HECj, T:53980 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/rebthor/crash-rebthor-20130405-005601.txt 19:56:50 DracoOmega: That looks like one for you... 19:57:13 It does? 19:57:23 Something involving preservers. 19:58:10 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:58:32 Well, it looks like something about getting cleaving targets? 19:58:53 Though I can't see the part where it says what monster is acting? 20:00:03 The vault warden hits your ball lightning with an orcish battleaxe! [...] 20:00:06 Probably the warden? Since it seems to have a battleaxe in the log 20:00:08 Yeah 20:00:12 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:00:27 (So, wait, people actually use CBL????) 20:00:29 The preserver would already be dead before then though, by the looks of this 20:00:52 Nothing appears to actually be adjacent to the warden, though 20:01:26 ...because the warden died! 20:01:57 So it's probably more to do with a suicidal cleaving attack. 20:02:25 Oh, huh. It died from the ball lightning? 20:02:30 I guess that @ in the map is something else then 20:02:43 A vault guard, probably from the looks of it 20:02:49 -!- kaiserfro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:02:55 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:04:24 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:11:43 -!- Kamakazie has quit [] 20:13:32 Possibly just add a 'if (!attacker->alive()) return;' to get_cleave_targets? At least right now I think that might be where the problem lies? 20:13:44 I will see if I can reproduce 20:15:52 Missing DS mutation text when gaining a mutation you already have by morik 20:15:52 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:16:12 Hmmm... well, it DID crash, but with a different message -.- 20:18:36 Grunt: if people don't use CBL, we have to modify it until they do! :) 20:18:54 (But I think CBL has seen changes to make it at least usableover the years.) 20:19:08 CBL is virtually never used, yes 20:19:10 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:19:12 Right now, CBL is seen as purely suicidal in most circumstances. 20:19:29 DracoOmega and I independently came up with a few ideas as to how to improve it. 20:19:37 the spell certainly has enough potential to make it a killer 20:19:44 (not to mention the lovely flavour) 20:19:49 (eletric potential, hehe.) 20:19:53 <3 20:19:53 s/eletric/electric/ 20:20:09 Hmmm... got a range check this time 20:20:15 Though -1/70 instead of -1/80 20:20:18 Grunt: Crawl has a knack for pseudo-scientific jargon, I always loved that 20:20:21 Which sort of worries me 20:20:23 -!- dcssrubot576 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:27 -1/70 is y, -1/80 is x :b 20:20:31 Oh 20:20:32 Ha 20:20:47 Okay, well I will still be worried about the ASSERT(smc) then :P 20:20:56 In any case, going to try what I think may fix this 20:21:31 Since I think it is trying to rotate around an invalid creature position (since the center point has now died and been reset) 20:23:41 what is smc again? 20:24:04 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 20:24:45 Hmmm... no, well I got an assert(smc) again that time, so probably there is a second issue here 20:25:10 SamB: #define smc get_monster_data(mc) 20:25:20 maybe we ought to replace all of those with something more informative 20:25:22 Most likely because it is passing a dead monster 20:25:28 -!- faz_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:34 the ASSERT(smc) lines, I mean 20:25:51 I am not sure why this is not happening every time, but possibly it depends on the angle between the attacker and the thing that killed it 20:26:13 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:14 something that says, say, where the monster is/was ... 20:26:19 Yes, would be nice 20:26:35 Some parts of the cleaving code seems to already check and ensure that the attacker is alive, but clearly SOME part of it does not 20:26:47 I am adding a sentence to the slime rock wall description, so that players have a chance to learn that the damage increases with depth. Does the following sentence make sense? "Your caution is founded, for these walls hurt... the deeper, the more." 20:26:58