00:03:45 -!- dcssrubot743 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:50 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:22 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3106-g534313d (34) 00:05:58 -!- jbud has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:08:38 -!- Foophy has quit [] 00:13:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:14:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:21:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:42 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 00:24:02 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:28:24 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:38:33 D:8 tentacled monstrosity is not unreasonable for an OOD is it? 00:39:26 well, in theory you can get ancient liches on D:1 00:55:51 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 01:01:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:13:44 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:13 mingw builds on cdo failed: i686-pc-mingw32-g++: rltiles/tiledef-unrand.cc: No such file or directory 01:14:39 cdo build on cdo failed because of makefile merging, will fix that later 01:15:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:24 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:26:37 Hm, tiledef-unrand.cc is one of the autogenerated files 01:27:25 Does it work if you copy a functioning tiledef-unrand from a Linux build process? 01:27:57 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:32:46 dtsund: he said it was a merge problem, maybe he should fix that like he said? 01:33:50 -!- dcssrubot225 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:40 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: Quitte] 01:35:44 ...I'm the best at reading 01:36:00 hehe 01:39:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:34 -!- gluop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:33 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 01:47:36 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48:48 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:52:58 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-3107-g6083b49: Correct a comment 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6083b49f188c 01:52:58 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-3108-ged91f78: Clarify stash tracker documentation for escaping plusses 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed91f78463d9 02:02:10 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:29 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:16:08 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:18:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:20:53 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:04 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 02:22:27 -!- gluop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:00 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:09 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:03 -!- Hindered has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:36:21 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 02:37:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:29 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:41:36 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:51:25 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 02:56:40 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:57 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:36 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:03:56 -!- dcssrubot578 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:33 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:38 -!- peepsalot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:12:00 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:12:19 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:13:57 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:15:33 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:45 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 03:37:34 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:50 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:01 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44:50 Does anyone know if there's some way to set the random monster list in-game in wizmode? Using the lua interpreter to replicate the commands used in portal vaults to do this doesn't quite seem to work, but possibly there is some other way to access the structure in question? 03:46:16 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:48:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:10 -!- Egglet has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 03:51:03 are you sure you use dlua not clua? 03:54:13 -!- syraine_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:08:43 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 04:11:00 I have no idea what exactly the in-game wizmode lua interpreter can handle 04:11:04 I have never before tried to use it 04:11:34 I had assumed it had access to more api than the normal stuff though, or it wouldn't be wizmode only? 04:13:24 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:09 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:07 -!- Chousuke_ is now known as Chousuke 04:24:37 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3109-g2168b60: Adjust new V monster spawn chances 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 5+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2168b607fa52 04:24:37 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3110-g61261fb: Increase vault warden melee damage a little 10(69 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61261fbc3b41 04:24:37 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3111-geda6894: Reroll shadow creatures which would anger a god, post-generation 10(27 minutes ago, 2 files, 25+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eda6894b9be3 04:24:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:25:01 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:25:11 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:10 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:05 DracoOmega: call_dlua('some lua function') 04:31:18 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31:18 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:23 Oh, hmm... Well, I'll keep it in mind in future, thanks 04:32:28 why the clua interpreter is wizmode only -- good question 04:34:08 -!- dcssrubot772 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:38:41 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 04:44:59 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:20 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:48:32 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:40 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:00 -!- Nexos has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:17 Can someone please close bug 4056? 05:07:23 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:09 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:22 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:15:00 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:19:58 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:30:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:31:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:37:23 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:40:28 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42:42 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:20 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:13 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48:41 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 05:52:18 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:24 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:55:24 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:14 -!- dcssrubot546 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:30 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:10:03 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:10:24 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:51 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:58 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:17:26 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:22:25 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:30 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:33 -!- _D_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:22:33 !seen mumra 06:22:34 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:22:34 I last saw mumra at Wed Mar 27 05:38:33 2013 UTC (5h 44m ago) saying 'D:8 tentacled monstrosity is not unreasonable for an OOD is it?' on ##crawl-dev. 06:22:43 !messages 06:22:43 (1/1) DracoOmega said (13h 55m 37s ago): Yes, I've looked at the thread. There's a fair bit of misinformation about some of the convoker restrictions/mechanics, though 06:22:49 hehe 06:24:09 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26:50 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:07 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:14 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:22 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:54 -!- fourfall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:33:37 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:06 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:07 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:27 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:13 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:09 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:32 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:07 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:58:07 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:19 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:59 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:38 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:11 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:53 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:47 swinepaste (L9 DrCj) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:7) 07:30:01 swinepaste (L9 DrCj) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:7) 07:30:20 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:29 I appear to be able to crash the game by reading a certain scroll 07:30:34 it's unidentified so I don't know what it is 07:31:29 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:34:20 -!- dcssrubot653 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:37 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:49 -!- Lucas_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:44:15 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46:41 apparently it's a scroll of summoning 07:46:48 swinepaste (L11 DrCj) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:10) 07:46:50 yeah, there 07:49:13 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:53:54 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:38 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 08:01:00 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:45 !lm swinepaste type=crash -log 08:01:46 22. swinepaste, XL11 DrCj, T:10252 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/swinepaste/crash-swinepaste-20130327-124644.txt 08:03:00 -!- doobergam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:03:45 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:16 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:37 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3112-gc57d63b: Don't use autoinscriptions for {god gift}. 10(3 hours ago, 7 files, 4+ 35-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c57d63b3bb79 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3113-gc53b2c9: Show {god gift} based on the item's origin. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c53b2c954cd0 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3114-g8b9bf03: Simplify. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b9bf0318882 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3115-g649e75a: Fix god gift origin being wrong in some cases. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=649e75a56754 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3116-ge6b09b3: A new option, show_god_gift = yes|unindent|no. 10(66 minutes ago, 5 files, 25+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6b09b37ec31 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3117-gf0189c0: Purge stringified {god gift} from old saves. 10(56 minutes ago, 2 files, 15+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0189c034c0a 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3118-gfa3a254: Fix unknown decks being tagged as "identified". 10(51 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa3a2540f029 08:22:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3119-g4615c41: Don't crash on shadowy zombies. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4615c41bc710 08:23:16 kilobyte: that is a good solution for {god gift} 08:23:28 kilobyte: could we use the same rule for uniques' items? 08:24:09 dpeg: great idea! 08:25:05 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:15 kilobyte: I'd suggest to use the very same option (not a new one). 08:26:19 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:26:29 obviously, yeah 08:30:26 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 08:33:25 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:40:50 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:45:59 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:46 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3120-gc72ceea: Treat spoilery items from uniques the same way as {god gift} (dpeg) 10(8 minutes ago, 4 files, 32+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c72ceea66661 08:48:30 yay, thanks! 08:51:36 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:53:05 -!- dmonster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:04:32 -!- dcssrubot693 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:15 hi dpeg 09:17:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:48 njkz123 (L8 HOCK) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:4) 09:18:48 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23:45 mumra: Hi! I liked your comment about colors for permarock, but I think that's something where it's best to come up with a color, suggest it, and fight for it :) 09:25:14 dpeg: not my comment, it was an old mantis ticket that i moved to the devwiki 09:25:39 kilobyte: thanks 09:26:23 dpeg: i don't play console much so chances are if i suggested a colour someone else would say "but that can be confused with [foo]!" ;) 09:30:03 oh my, we have tiles players in the devteam! 09:30:07 Murder and treason!! 09:30:55 mumra: thanks for all the mantis stuff, again. It's awesome. 09:32:23 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:36:15 a tiles player on windows, no less ;) (actually i think dracoomega is too...) 09:36:34 * dpeg goes eat some garlic, just in case 09:36:52 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38:53 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:39:47 dpeg: no problems about mantis, i think things were a bit out of hand and something had to be done ! 09:42:08 another project i worked on had a weekly bug triage where they just went through all open tickets and decided on a resolution one way or another. they were a bit brutal with either "won't do" or "assign to distant future" but it kept things sane 09:43:24 sounds good! 09:43:35 We could need someone to force such a thing upon us :) 09:44:13 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45:09 -!- Datul_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:46:09 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:33 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:48:00 often that does not work well 09:50:08 I'd rather look at automating tests. 09:50:26 we get trivial regressions All. The. Whole. Damn. Time. 09:51:51 with non-trivial fallout 09:52:17 the thought of a "total coverage" crawl test suite scares me quite a bit 09:53:06 would be pretty hard to do because of all the randomness 09:54:20 well you'd mock out the rng for a lot of purposes so you're testing "if rng does this, this should happen" 09:57:45 mumra: re #5999, I'm not particularly attached to that and have no idea if people think it's a good idea or not (myself included). 09:57:57 I have been known to make bad decisions when being goaded on by other people :b 09:58:10 hehe 09:59:47 BTW, a secret tech: make a script to split "filename:1234" into "+1234" "filename" (most editors support that), then you have goodness like: e `git grep -n MISC_EMPTY_EBONY_CASKET|cut -d: -f1-2` 10:00:14 this requires an editor that can open many files, including multiple views of the same file, of course 10:00:49 so much faster than regular grep+search 10:01:10 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I just use :vimgrep 10:02:05 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:17 |amethyst: can it use a more complex pipeline, like, say, using "git grep" instead of regular grep? 10:03:18 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it can with :grep if you set 'grepprg' and possibly 'grepformat' 10:03:41 Grunt: well it's entirely flavour put it does seem quite funny. completely pointless though ;) 10:05:10 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:05:17 how it can possibly happen? 10:05:55 if you're a mummy, you can't be a felid. If you're not a felid, you can't see what happened after your death. 10:06:10 kilobyte: i assumed it's just flavour messages that appear before the game over screen 10:06:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte: (and more generically, you can use :cad to evaluate an expression and add the result to the same quickfix list; or setqflist() in a script) 10:06:36 then it could be just a message, while this patch invokes an actual curse 10:07:28 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:28 |amethyst: hrm, lucky bastards. Editor I use seems to be unmaintained for ages :/ 10:08:08 after 28 years of using Wordstar bindings, it appears I'm too old to switch 10:09:14 kilobyte: well the second patch was just a message; but looking at it i don't really like the big "or" statement that checks all death types 10:11:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it took me about a year to switch from (x)emacs to vim 10:11:24 i guess the point is with grunt's change, the death curse could actually kill the monster, so you'd have the potential to get some revenge on your killer 10:11:36 There isn't really much of a point to it. 10:11:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and another couple of years to know it as well as I knew emacs 10:12:09 why did i call it an "or" statement? i meant "if" ... 10:12:13 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13:43 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3121-g4788882: Rework a vault. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 29-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4788882c4dbc 10:16:03 -!- Nexos has left ##crawl-dev 10:17:06 -!- Zermako has quit [] 10:20:04 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 10:20:52 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:13 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 10:25:26 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:00 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:26:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:38 -!- dcssrubot693 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:52 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Changing host] 10:40:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:28 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:42:33 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:23 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:39 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:08 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:28 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:41 -!- LoremIpsum_ is now known as LoremIpsum 11:13:28 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:17:20 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:18:06 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 11:21:23 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:13 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24:45 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:37:07 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:44:20 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:48:51 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:50:34 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:51:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:57:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:19 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe 12:04:44 -!- dcssrubot928 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:31 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18:21 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3121-g4788882 (34) 12:18:43 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:19:17 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:22:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:33 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:25:11 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 12:25:28 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:27:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:01 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: home!] 12:40:25 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3122-g5b20f58: Even more vaults! 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 242+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b20f5883ebf 12:41:32 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:45:03 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50:02 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:52:18 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 12:53:57 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:41 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56:47 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:36 M-x grep only requires that the output be in grep's format 13:14:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:46 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:15:52 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3123-g5ff3077: Discard empty boxes of beasts after use. 10(3 hours ago, 9 files, 25+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ff307770ff5 13:15:52 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3124-g29c0cd4: Use regular plants, bushes and fungi in a vault. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29c0cd4dde23 13:15:52 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3125-g2175772: Move a couple of vaults erroneously placed in float.des elsewhere. 10(18 minutes ago, 3 files, 141+ 140-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2175772d25d4 13:15:52 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3126-gfcd4829: Some vaults by nicolae (#6230). 10(19 minutes ago, 4 files, 161+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcd482917c14 13:24:06 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:44 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26:33 -!- dcssrubot653 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32:37 pwnmonkey (L8 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:6) 13:33:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:09 -!- Xelf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:29 !lm pwnmonkey crash -log 13:34:31 1. pwnmonkey, XL8 HOBe, T:5801 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/pwnmonkey/crash-pwnmonkey-20130327-183236.txt 13:34:48 :| 13:35:53 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:16 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:7) 13:38:23 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:38:48 -!- kaiserfro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:13 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:23 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:39:30 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:40:03 -!- xxx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:28 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:28 -!- Kratok has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:34 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:40:48 -!- SkaryMonk has left ##crawl-dev 13:41:06 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:42:12 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:42:24 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:42:31 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:44:01 pwnmonkey (L9 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:8) 13:44:16 try again maybe it'll work this time 13:46:20 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:32 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:41 BlastHardcheese: he might be trying to avoid whatever is causing that 13:48:03 he did get from D:6 to D:8, at least 13:56:16 pwnmonkey (L10 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:9) 13:56:38 pwnmonkey (L10 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:9) 13:56:55 pwnmonkey (L10 HOBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:9) 14:04:43 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06:26 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3127-g3c56a30: ldierk's geyser vault, adjusted per Mantis (#4607). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 102+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c56a30a338c 14:07:03 tcjsavannah (L12 SEEE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:6) 14:07:16 tcjsavannah (L12 SEEE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:6) 14:09:58 !lm tcjsavannah crash -log 14:10:01 5. tcjsavannah, XL12 SEEE, T:15940 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tcjsavannah/crash-tcjsavannah-20130327-190715.txt 14:13:48 how do we do that thing with the save backups again ? 14:16:23 SamB: you need to get the player to do a save backup, first. 14:16:28 Then they provide you with the link. 14:16:35 scroll of Summoning crashes game by tcjsavannah 14:17:13 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:18:29 hmm, hopefully the link is in there :-) 14:18:36 It isn't. 14:19:29 -!- xxx has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:19:50 so how do you do that on webtiles ... 14:19:58 ??backup 14:19:59 I don't have a page labeled backup in my learndb. 14:20:08 ??save backup 14:20:08 I don't have a page labeled save_backup in my learndb. 14:21:12 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:21:30 SamB: you don't. 14:21:40 SamB: as far as I know it's only doable through DGL. 14:21:48 ouch 14:22:59 Oh, huh, s-z.org is literally the domain name. I had forgotten... 14:23:31 (Well, I mean, obviously there's a crawl. in front) 14:24:41 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:16 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:42 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:01 -!- Nicksvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:38 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:51 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:22 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 14:30:48 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34:49 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:16 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:40:03 hmm, how come crash dumps don't include nearby monsters 14:44:25 Roarke (L8 HuNe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2552 failed. (D:6) 14:44:53 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45:52 !lm Roarke crash -log 14:45:53 6. Roarke, XL8 HuNe, T:5620 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Roarke/crash-Roarke-20130327-194424.txt 14:46:26 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:07 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:19 I can't reproduce this in current trunk; I'm wondering if eda6894 fixed it? 14:49:36 * Grunt pokes cszo to update... 14:49:39 (let's find out) 14:50:02 ...or 4615c41, I guess. 14:50:51 I read through, like, 30 of those scrolls on CAO (0.12-a0-3121-g4788882) and it didn't crash 14:51:06 Probably fixed in 4615c41, then. 14:53:28 -!- ColdPie has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:54:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3127-g3c56a30 (34) 14:56:09 -!- aeikum has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:38 -!- aeikum is now known as ColdPie 14:58:42 -!- dcssrubot828 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:42 -!- dcssrubot309 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:40 ...Mantis says yes, it's gone now. 15:03:51 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:06:06 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09:20 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:40 kilobyte: What exactly was the underlying issue with the crash that 4615c41 fixed? Because it broke several other things in the process and needs to be reworked 15:11:18 (If anyone else knows, this is also fine, of course :) ) 15:11:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:13:15 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:13:33 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:16:51 DracoOmega: for example, 15:16:58 !lm tcjsavannah crash -log 15:16:59 5. tcjsavannah, XL12 SEEE, T:15940 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/tcjsavannah/crash-tcjsavannah-20130327-190715.txt 15:18:23 Actually, perhaps it is simplest just to skip define_monster if it's a zombie or something, rather than dummy it out as an orc 15:18:57 Because the side-effect of this is that it erroneously assumes zombies are neither evil nor opposed by Fedhas, then will try to create one, find afterward that they DO anger the god in question, then bail altogether 15:19:09 With the end result that you often get no monster at all if your first roll is a zombie 15:19:28 (Nor even the normal failure message) 15:23:26 -!- varx has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:50 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:52 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:03 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:31:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:24 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3128-gdf22dd4: Adjust the shadow creatures zombie crashfix (4615c41) 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df22dd4d3442 15:33:30 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:52 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:06 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:47 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:26 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:57 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [] 15:45:58 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:20 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:49:36 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:50:03 -!- Elkan has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:52:30 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:55:28 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:59 So when I was finishing up that last batch of vaults, I noticed we have a lot of cool Zot vaults that don't seem to get used very much. 15:58:12 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:58:18 ...which is a shame, given how unmemorable Zot:1-4 usually is. 16:00:20 I was pondering the implications of increasing the chances that vaults place in Zot. 16:01:50 I seem to recall HangedMan suggested that some time back? (Though I may be wrong) 16:02:22 I know HangedMan was advocating for more vault placements in general; I don't recall if he had anything Zot-specific to say. 16:02:48 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:03:15 to place more vaults in general we'd have to fix some things about vault placement i think 16:03:21 hangedman: we know you are reading. 16:03:23 but in certain places and with certain layouts it's ok 16:03:25 Well, the memory is vague, but I do think he mentioned lowering the zot dummy vault weight 16:03:25 hangedman: tell us 16:05:29 I don't really want stair vaults to be more common 16:05:34 In any case, it does seem reasonable to me to place vaults there a little more often, since it's true that they are fairly rare in practice 16:05:40 No, not stair vaults 16:05:44 but vaults are generally just ignored in zot anyway 16:05:53 Not specifically stair vaults; vaults in general. 16:06:06 (There *are* a lot of stair vaults in Zot, though.) 16:06:14 s/in/defined for/ 16:06:59 what is the idea of dummy vaults, anyway? 16:07:31 The premise, I gather, is to prevent areas that don't have a lot of vaults defined from generating that same set of vaults too much. 16:07:44 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 16:09:16 Then again, we already suffer from that problem with, say, food vaults. <_< 16:10:08 On a different note, I am thinking of trying to fix 8.6 traps today. Fun fact: did you realize that swiftness and blurry vision have not made it more likely for you to run into traps since they were made deterministic? 16:10:16 At least, that's how it looks to me 16:10:35 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:10:40 Since (for some reason?) these only decrease your chance to detect stuff at a distance, and not stuff next to you 16:11:55 DracoOmega: yeah, I realized that at some point 16:12:07 but it did not seem worth changing unless I was going to fix 8.6 16:12:15 Yeah 16:12:49 Do you have any general thoughts on what kind of detection chance 8.6 should give you? I assume we probably want some kind of diminishing returns as traps skill goes up, without a breakpoint like that? 16:12:53 is this subtle guilting of me to finish the trap patch 16:13:32 how about traps skill maxes at 8.6 16:13:33 DracoOmega: I'm not sure what the numbers should be like, but we definitely don't want any breakpoint at which trap detection becomes 100% 16:13:40 even at 27 skill it shouldn't be 100% 16:14:04 but it can be very high at 8.6, I'd imagine... 90%, 95%, something 16:14:17 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 16:14:20 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14:29 some kind of exp/log thing, then 16:14:30 Yeah, I think that was around what I was thinking 16:14:34 In both cases 16:15:41 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:15:59 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:10 I will run some numbers and try to find a decent curve for it 16:18:07 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3129-g9dcbefd: Add an ORIENT: tag to a vault originally intended to have it. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9dcbefd44adf 16:18:59 2 / (1 + exp(-traps / 3)) - 1 16:19:11 Kind of a high probability at 27 traps... 16:19:24 * Grunt will let the experts handle this <_< 16:23:32 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:26:29 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:27:43 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:08 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:50 Well, I have to head out for a while, but I'll take a stab at a new formula later this evening 16:28:53 -!- dcssrubot532 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:53 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:16 -!- rkd has quit [] 16:38:56 -!- en has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:00 -!- Stikcing has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:48:38 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:49:33 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:12 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:00:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:01:17 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:04 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:05:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:07 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10:53 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:18 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:12:43 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:12:49 Riddley (L5 DECj) ASSERT(!crawl_state.prev_cmd_keys.empty()) in 'main.cc' at line 4684 failed. 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(Sewer) 17:43:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:44:18 -!- Gilihad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:39 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:45:52 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:52:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:56:54 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:18 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:59:02 -!- dcssrubot731 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:03 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:00:50 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:03:06 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:29 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:48 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:45 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 18:12:31 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:29 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:13:40 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:45 !seen Grunt 18:13:45 I last saw Grunt at Wed Mar 27 23:02:54 2013 UTC (10m 51s ago) saying 'Oh.' on ##crawl. 18:13:54 Hi dpeg. 18:14:14 Grunt: the sporting and Mandelzot vaults are so cool! <3 18:14:19 :) 18:14:21 Just came here to say this :) 18:14:41 I was looking at bh's vaults and was thinking of other fractals and the name "mandelzot" just came to mind. :b 18:15:02 cool stuff 18:15:40 I also like how with the sporting vault everyone, including referee and ball will attack the spectators. :) 18:15:56 It's Zot. What did you expect? 18:16:07 A hot tub? :b 18:16:09 sure, the most natural reaction :) 18:16:31 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:18:54 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:19:15 hang on, the ball is a crystal ball of energy ... shouldn't it be a boulder beetle? or a mimic? 18:19:34 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:38 if you want _everything_ attacking you that is 18:19:41 Heh. 18:19:50 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:20:01 I'm fine with leaving the ball alone for the moment (see also: that one zotdef-inspired vault). 18:20:18 heh :) 18:21:32 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:21:32 -!- unpaidbi1l has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:22:05 -!- Stikcing has quit [] 18:22:06 dpeg, on that note, I was about to direct you to a thread which you've already found :) 18:22:57 -!- tibbles_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:46 hehe, at your service! 18:24:24 I am very happy that the vaults are in competent hands again (they certainly were with evilmike, but not so much with me) 18:24:38 Competent hands? Whose? 18:24:39 >________> 18:25:48 maybe he meant to say "crazy mad scientist hands"? 18:26:07 MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:26:09 * Grunt coughs. 18:26:52 I mean hands capable of black lua magic! 18:27:02 Anything with black magic in it must be good. 18:27:22 * Grunt gestures at the vaults and mumbles some strange words. The code is walking! 18:27:59 But we want: The code is hopping! 18:28:17 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:29 The code is swimming, flying, and slithering! 18:28:47 hopping is for zombie bunnies 18:29:12 hm, zombie bunnies 18:29:41 is there any doc i can look at to see the default force mores, menu colours etc 18:30:14 they're all in dat/defaults/ 18:30:24 ... what he said. 18:30:27 * Grunt gestures vaguely. 18:30:41 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30:41 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 18:30:42 MarvinPA: thanks 18:32:53 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:17 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:35:54 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:38:12 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:43 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:48 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42:35 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 18:43:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:24 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:56:44 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:09:19 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:10:58 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13:06 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15:42 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:16:45 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:23 -!- kilobyte has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:33 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:08 -!- dcssrubot462 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:44 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:31 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:46:36 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 19:52:18 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:56:00 -!- Wehk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:41 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 19:57:00 -!- Wehk_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:58:07 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59:35 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:47 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:05:28 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:31 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:11:15 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:18 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:37:51 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:07 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:48 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:20 -!- santiago__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:00 -!- Reykjavik has quit [Client Quit] 20:48:48 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:41 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:53 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:14 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:59:14 -!- dcssrubot274 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:18 -!- Eonwe2 is now known as Eonwe_ 21:11:40 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 21:11:55 !tell DracoOmega oif, that was supposed to be dummy.base_monster = MONS_ORC;, sorry 21:11:56 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 21:12:48 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:39 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:17:30 !tell DracoOmega swiftness and blurry vision never affected trap detection chance, except when distance > 1; I merely preserved that to not make too many balance changes at once. And it's probably not worth messing with that if both the skill and trap detection are to go away. 21:17:31 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 21:18:23 Grunt: hey, why did you make that mandelzot vault non-parametrized? :p 21:18:28 imo remove trap skill; the only way to find traps is to step in them 21:19:47 yeah, someone already noticed that replacing the trap with DEX or such would serve no interesting purpose, and with a fixed chance of detection we may just generate less traps in the first place 21:22:08 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 21:22:51 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:24:19 no trap detection sounds tempting... but might it lead to players using allies as a counter-measure? 21:25:31 good point 21:25:39 * kilobyte sees a quite obvious solution :p 21:25:43 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:25:51 kilobyte: trap removal or ally removal? 21:26:28 I had only the former in mind, but you make the second sound tempting too :p 21:26:35 more seriously, just the former 21:26:41 what are the traps that we want to keep? Alarm, shaft, zot can all be made to work with allies, too 21:26:48 shaft: only the player can fall in 21:27:05 I agree that most traps suck, but shafts are just too good to give up, imo 21:27:20 yeah 21:27:36 could preserve the effect some other way 21:27:40 just not sure what 21:28:24 a monster that places a shaft beneath you -- abyssification en miniature 21:28:35 but natural shafts are cool, too 21:28:44 especially if perma-searching won't help 21:29:47 the Cracks Call spell from Master of Magic :p 21:30:40 (it insta-killed victims instead of moving them to another place, though) 21:30:46 of course, there could be traps that work against allies... in Brogue these would be called discordance traps, and we're fine again 21:31:16 traps of conflict? 21:32:24 yes 21:33:12 I suggest to go ahead with T&D removal (called differently now, I know) and sort out the rest later 21:33:29 At the worst, we can always say that only adventurers are clumsy enough to fall down shafts. 21:33:46 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:28 * kilobyte hates asymmetries like that. 21:34:40 sure, so do I 21:34:58 but there's a fallback like that, and probably much better solutions, so it shouldn't hold us back 21:37:12 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:37:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:37:13 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 21:40:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41:13 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [] 21:41:18 I think it is just mechanical traps that should be dropped 21:41:30 elliott: not the skill? 21:41:31 all the existing other traps seem ok 21:41:35 SamB: no, skill too 21:41:45 yeah, that's what dpeg was talking about 21:41:59 I know; I was responding to "what are the traps that we want to keep?" 21:42:05 oh 21:42:24 how many non-mechanical traps are there? 21:42:32 ??magical traps 21:42:33 I don't have a page labeled magical_traps in my learndb. 21:42:35 ??magical trap 21:42:35 magical trap[1/1]: A purple ^ which does nasty non-damage things. Cannot be disarmed. You cannot bypass them by levitating/flying over them; they will still go off. Sorry. Comes in {zot trap}, {teleportation trap}, and {alarm trap} varieties. 21:42:38 + shaft 21:42:42 * SamB should read more scrollback before getting into this kind of agreement 21:42:44 so four 21:42:49 I guess dpeg already listed all those :) 21:43:29 did he list teleportation? 21:43:42 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:48 oh, indeed not 21:44:10 but there's nothing really wrong with them, I agree 21:44:20 I am not sure that teleportation is interesting if randomly placed. 21:44:39 I think teleportation competes with shaft in terms of interestingness 21:44:59 I believe that all kinds of traps (including mechanical) can make sense if manually placed. For example, I like my ossuary where you rush through a trap field, chased by mummies (is that one still in?). 21:45:25 elliott: in my experience, tele traps have a much harder time to produce nice "oh shit" moments. 21:46:44 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 21:50:27 this staircase mimic is *really* inept 21:50:44 it's one square from another staircase 21:50:56 like, in a hallway 21:52:29 -!- maarek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:46 SamB: a clear case of mimesis! 21:55:23 staircase mimics generate in the same place as stairs 21:55:31 * SamB looks that up 'cause he forgot what it means 21:55:49 kilobyte: you mean that stairs really would have generated that way? 21:56:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:56:18 oh, why are there three symbols for stairways in vaults, anyway? 21:58:13 SamB: perhaps only meaningful on D:1? 21:58:35 I don't see why they need to be distinguished anywhere 21:58:54 oh, I guess the starting stair does 21:58:57 maybe 22:00:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:00:26 -!- clinew has quit [Client Quit] 22:00:49 yes 22:01:07 well, that explains why there are two of them 22:01:09 this matters in the Tomb 22:01:30 and any branch:1 22:01:35 kilobyte: good point! 22:01:38 and I guess inside-entry vault could care 22:01:42 yeah, that 22:01:51 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:04:32 this question occurred to me when I was asking #emacs how to detect assymetry in text, because I'd spotted one in the first zotdef map and wanted a way to check for more, but the stairs obviously make a simple check insufficient, because it will always come out false 22:04:54 (That is, indicate that some assymetry exists) 22:06:54 why would that even be a problem? 22:07:06 because it was accidental 22:10:04 it was map I, and all the stuff copied from Zot:$ seems perfectly symmetrical, but two of the loot pockets that were added on were out of balance with eachother 22:16:38 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:43 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:52 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:20 -!- dcssrubot537 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:40 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 22:33:32 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:34:03 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:34 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:34:42 Did swiftness and blurry vision SERIOUSLY never affect the chance of stepping on a trap? Because wasn't that the whole point of the swiftness nerf to trap detection that it does this? 22:34:51 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:34:57 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 22:35:16 -!- faz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:38:08 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:39:20 detection at a distance and close by went through three different code paths 22:39:42 Should dancing slashing weapons chop hydra heads? 22:39:46 It looks like they don't. 22:39:54 At least, not necessarily consistently? 22:40:06 (I'll check more when I'm not actively playing :b) 22:41:24 Well, I'm pretty sure it is the INTENTION that swiftness make it more likely for you to stumble into traps 22:41:32 It's sort of pointless to affect your detection if it doesn't do this 22:52:41 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:54:18 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:56:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:07:07 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3129-g9dcbefd 23:07:40 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:06 hai 23:09:04 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:46 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:38 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:14:03 bh: any ideas how to make automated tests? There's too many embarassing crashes, and running some arena or what not from time to time does little to stop that. 23:14:29 kilobyte: rewrite crawl from scatch :( 23:14:42 yeah, you quoted Enne saying it's "untestable", but that's not completely true 23:14:45 joel said that's a crazy idea 23:14:55 SamB: joel is an ass. 23:15:08 an ass is still right twice a day 23:15:10 or something 23:15:29 Proof: He called out one of the guys from 37signals for making a grammatical error. He made a grammatical error. I called him out on it and he edited his post to avoid embarrassment. 23:15:33 bh: rewriting is not an option, compartmentizing parts of the code is 23:16:09 kilobyte: that's definitely the right approach 23:16:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:40 kilobyte: do you have stats on crashes per game? 23:16:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:17:05 we keep rewriting big parts of the code all the time, having some rules would be good 23:17:25 bh: Sequell has 23:17:41 think pushing for more OO would help anything? 23:17:58 how do we get sequell to divulge this information? 23:18:15 Are we getting more crashes than in the past? 23:18:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:11 not sure if there's a way to have it aggregate crashes by, say, a year 23:19:48 bh: I don't think it matters; whether the crash rate is increasing or decreasing, it's too high in any case 23:19:49 or version 23:20:02 my abyss churn certainly hasn't helped 23:20:04 !lm * type=crash s=v 23:20:10 4624 milestones for * (type=crash): 1003x 0.12.0-a0, 672x 0.11.0-a0, 651x 0.8.0-a0, 627x 0.10.0-a0, 584x 0.10.0, 206x 0.9.0-a1, 196x 0.8.0, 184x 0.9.0, 66x 0.11.0, 57x 0.9.0-a0, 52x 0.7.0-a0, 48x 0.8.0-a1, 41x 0.7.1, 40x 0.9.0-b1, 38x 0.10.1, 34x 0.10.2, 33x 0.7.0-a1, 26x 0.11.0-b1, 25x 0.8.1, 16x 0.10.3, 10x 0.11.1, 5x 0.7.2, 4x 0.11.2, 3x 0.9.1, 0.7.0, 0.7.0-rc3, 0.8.0-rc1 23:20:18 !lg * s=v 23:20:22 2179421 games for *: 187946x 0.12.0-a0, 187032x 0.9.0, 160921x 0.7.1, 155371x 0.11.0, 118753x 0.8.0, 114225x 0.5.2, 111506x 0.10.0, 92670x 0.8.0-a0, 81457x 0.10.2, 77813x 0.10.0-a0, 76938x 0.5.1, 75585x 0.4.5, 67534x 0.11.0-a0, 66025x 0.6.0, 58580x 0.4.4, 50017x 0.5.0, 48260x 0.3.4, 40177x 0.6.1, 32619x 0.2.7, 31040x 0.10.1, 25968x 0.8.1, 25300x 0.11.1, 23462x 0.9.0-a1, 23063x 0.7.0-a0, 22369x 0.1... 23:20:50 no idea if you can divide milestones by games 23:21:01 (in Sequell, that is) 23:21:29 0.004 -> 0.005 from 0.11 to 0.12 23:21:39 !lm * type=crash s=v place=Abyss 23:21:57 277 milestones for * (type=crash place=Abyss): 73x 0.12.0-a0, 70x 0.10.0-a0, 61x 0.11.0-a0, 37x 0.10.0, 12x 0.8.0-a0, 8x 0.9.0-a1, 4x 0.8.0, 3x 0.10.2, 3x 0.9.0, 2x 0.9.0-a0, 0.8.0-a1, 0.10.3, 0.7.0-a0, 0.8.1 23:22:02 !lm * type=crash s=v place=Abyss:* 23:22:02 69 milestones for * (type=crash place=Abyss:*): 69x 0.12.0-a0 23:22:54 Text scrolls one line too far when displaying [more] by morik 23:26:03 kilobyte: are there chunks of code we could attack for simplification? 23:26:33 simplify butchery 23:26:51 April Fools' is coming out. Could we add in ELLIPSE_LOS? 23:27:01 NO! 23:27:02 %s/ out// 23:27:10 that won't simplify anything 23:27:24 SamB: elliptic los isn't supposed to simplify anything. 23:27:44 we're still trying to kill squares aren't we? 23:28:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:16 SamB: I'm secretly a SQUARE_LOS proponent 23:29:31 -!- oberstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:14 DODECA_LOS OR BUST 23:30:46 taxicab_los 23:30:56 ontoclasm: hah! 23:31:11 eldritch_los 23:31:15 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:31:24 noneuclidean_los 23:31:48 lobos_los 23:31:58 zanihigh five 23:33:02 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:18 actually, I think axing square support from iterators would speed up some parts by 1-2 orders of magnitude 23:34:50 if you've been watching profile runs, mosts tests spend a majority of time inside one 23:35:30 'eh? how would removing square support help if we aren't using it? 23:35:33 it's a hopeless tangle of circle_def (misnamed, it does more shapes too), los_def and so on 23:35:34 so apparently if trj goes neutral and takes damage, he spawns unfirendly slimes, which can then kill trj, and you won't lose jiyva worship? 23:35:53 'sreal weird 23:36:10 bh: conditional branches 23:36:10 bh: we are, C_SQUARE 23:36:31 kilobyte, SamB: ew ew! that should use classes 23:37:20 * SamB hasn't actually read the code, just the API comments 23:37:27 current code uses classes, with method calls deep inside tight loops 23:38:39 radius_iterator is capable of doing LOS checks behind your back 23:38:58 eeviac: that was fixed recently? 23:39:01 meant to anyway 23:39:08 doing that could be quite fast if done in a sane way 23:39:13 it just happened in this fewr guy's game 23:39:31 cracklepappy 23:39:49 I checked it out because I wanted to know how a lvl 13 fewr killed trj 23:39:58 it wasn't even water card 23:40:34 how did he hurt trj without pissing off jiyva? 23:40:39 he didn't 23:40:49 neutral jellies or something started the fight 23:40:51 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:40:58 then the evil jellies finished it 23:41:00 I think 23:41:12 !lm cracklepappy -tv 23:41:13 814. Cracklepappy, XL13 FeWr, T:41931 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:41:27 not this one 23:41:40 not sure how to request specific milestones 23:42:12 but you can see he's still worshipping jiyva 23:43:06 !lm cracklepappy x=cv 23:43:06 814. [2013-03-28 04:39:49] [cv=0.12-a] Cracklepappy the Acrobat (L13 FeWr) entered a Volcano on turn 41931. (Orc:1) 23:43:47 !lm cracklepappy -tv -3 23:43:48 812/814. Cracklepappy, XL13 FeWr, T:41829 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:44:15 hm, that didn't work 23:44:27 fr trj kill milestone 23:46:02 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:46:11 !lm cracklepappy uniq=the royal jelly 23:46:12 2. [2013-03-28 04:28:09] Cracklepappy the Acrobat (L13 FeWr) killed the royal jelly on turn 40675. (Slime:6) 23:46:15 !lm cracklepappy uniq=the royal jelly -tv 23:46:15 2. Cracklepappy, XL13 FeWr, T:40675 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 23:47:04 should add an example of uniq= to the help file 23:47:21 there might be one, I've just never read the help file :) 23:47:22 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:28 I don't see one 23:47:36 there 23:47:38 trj kill 23:47:39 possibly my copy is out of date 23:48:05 !lm cracklepappy uniq=the royal jelly x=god 23:48:05 2. [2013-03-28 04:28:09] [god=Jiyva] Cracklepappy the Acrobat (L13 FeWr) killed the royal jelly on turn 40675. (Slime:6) 23:48:17 mandelbrot_los!! 23:48:37 bh: um, no? 23:48:50 SamB: what have you got against April 1st? 23:49:17 wow, has it really been a whole year since the dwarfspeak patch 23:51:46 dwarvish vampires? 23:52:04 bh: during the squarelos debacle, I looked into what other wacky metrics we could use. Too bad, it appears there's too many assumptions through the code; the rules a metric would need to meet are pretty high 23:52:39 basically, it must be Minkowski <= X <= Chebyshev 23:53:18 needs to be not affected by translations, too 23:55:33 * SamB makes a lame joke about must have to work with double-width characters, too, then 23:55:44 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:56:00 SamB: we could use a zany character set? 23:56:19 bh: sure, why not? 23:56:53 How many colors are we limited to? 23:57:13 I think 16 real ones 23:57:24 'real'? 23:57:40 there are some "elemental colors" too 23:57:48 oh, right 23:58:06 there are 16 actual color colors, and also the ones that flicker between those 16 or whatever 23:58:07 yeah 23:58:10 white, gray, red, light red, green, light green, yellow... 23:58:49 or, to generalize, all the primary and secondary colors in bright and dull forms 23:58:58 well, bright and dark, whatever 23:59:07 as well as white, black, and light and dark grey 23:59:26 -!- dcssrubot887 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]