00:04:34 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3066-ga66e2c5: Adjust grunt_entry_enticement to prevent scumming and stupid deaths. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 16-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a66e2c5ff622 00:05:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3066-ga66e2c5 (34) 00:06:41 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:39 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3067-g429cbd1: Fix warning: remove now-unused variable. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=429cbd190425 00:11:53 yeah, I meant to remove that warning but I guess I forgot to "git add" that line before I committed ... 00:19:09 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21:07 -!- madSimon has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:24:24 -!- ophanim1 is now known as ophanim 00:24:50 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3068-gcbfd86e: Let butchery make better use of available manipulators (Tene) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 3-) 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Some interesting comments about convokers further down. 08:27:20 dpeg: OK, I'll let mumra know. 08:28:20 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:53 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: Be excellent to one another, and party on dudes!] 08:29:21 aren't convokers dracoomega's work? 08:29:45 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:30:19 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:31:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:33:17 ah, damn 08:33:23 !seen DracoOmega 08:33:24 I last saw DracoOmega at Mon Mar 25 09:20:31 2013 UTC (1d 4h 12m 52s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Leaving'. 08:33:34 !tell DracoOmega Are you aware of https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7218 ? Some interesting comments about convokers further down. 08:33:35 dpeg: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 08:33:45 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:33:45 !tell mumra Sorry for false alarm! Too many devs :) 08:33:46 dpeg: OK, I'll let mumra know. 08:33:51 elliott: Thank you! 08:34:58 :) 08:37:54 -!- Killerpretzel has quit [] 08:40:06 -!- dcssrubot883 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:47 -!- Nicksvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45:31 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:48:08 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52:07 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:53:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:31 -!- Nicksvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:02:45 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:06:16 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:37 -!- goon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:12:46 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:15:02 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:19:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:55 -!- Nicksvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:32 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 09:29:13 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:30:01 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:35:19 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:41:38 -!- dcssrubot482 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:44 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:41 -!- jbud has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:12 Hey guys, I've been peeking through the source and I'm a little confused about something 09:49:34 that is not an uncommon experience 09:49:58 melee_attacks.cc -> melee_attack::calc_stat_to_dam_base() return strength() + (dex() - strength()) * weight/20 09:50:10 Why dex-str? shouldn't it be dex+str for the weighted average? 09:50:11 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:51:28 "strength() + (dex() - strength()) * weight/20" 09:51:34 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 09:51:41 note that there is a strength() added to that 09:51:47 this makes it a weighted average 09:52:25 so if weight is 0, this is just strength(), if weight is 20 this would be just dex() 09:52:28 I get it :) Thanks elliptic 10:03:48 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:06:28 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 10:14:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:15:28 -!- SetecAstronomy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:21:46 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:43 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:27:36 -!- Lucas__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:28:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:13 -!- HenryFlower has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:32:49 -!- dcssrubot671 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:22 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:43:38 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43:58 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:26 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:53 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:49 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:01:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:52 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04:54 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:09:19 -!- Shadow1798 is now known as Schwer-Muta 11:12:56 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:00 elliptic: do you suppose we ought to put in a comment to that effect, or write an inline function that does this with such a comment ? 11:22:34 where by "this" I mean weighted average, of course 11:24:21 SamB: not sure what would be cleanest... the most confusing part of the whole thing is that "weight" actually takes on values between 0 and 10, not 0 and 20 11:24:41 hmm, that is a bit confusing 11:24:42 so this weighted average is really a weighted average between strength and strength+dex/2 11:25:09 and there are different places where we use a weighted average between strength+dex/2 and dex instead 11:26:36 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:29:13 TPS (L12 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2575 failed. 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(D (Sprint)) 13:53:38 ?rF 13:53:42 ??rF 13:53:43 resistance[1/2]: Player: rF-,rC-: melee: 200%, ranged: 150%; rF+,rC+: 50%; rF++,rC++: 33%; rF+++,rC+++: 20%; rN+: 66%; rN++: 33%; rN+++: 0%; rCorr: 50% (acid); rPois+,rElec+: 33% 13:53:54 ??resistance 13:53:54 resistance[1/2]: Player: rF-,rC-: melee: 200%, ranged: 150%; rF+,rC+: 50%; rF++,rC++: 33%; rF+++,rC+++: 20%; rN+: 66%; rN++: 33%; rN+++: 0%; rCorr: 50% (acid); rPois+,rElec+: 33% 13:53:56 ??resistance[2] 13:53:56 resistance[2/2]: Monster resistances. rF-,rC-: melee: 200%, ranged: 150%; rF+,rC+: 50%; rF++,rC++: 20%; rF+++,rC+++,hellfire: 0%; rElec+,rPois+: 33%; rElec++,rPois++: 17%, rElec+++,rPois+++: 0%. 13:54:02 hmm 13:56:24 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:23 so, how come being hit with weapons having fire-related brands doesn't ID rF? 13:59:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:11 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:00:30 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:14 Hey everyone, anyone with commit rights who can push my patch for me? 14:01:36 SamB: sounds like a mystery you're about to solve ;) 14:02:09 AriaB: what is your patch? 14:02:12 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6675 14:03:06 It resolves some other issues too, like this one: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5089 14:03:22 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:05:26 fixing bugs is a noble action, I'll look at your patch :) 14:05:34 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 14:05:36 Thanks :D 14:05:37 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:06:09 possibly a bug: playing natm - charmed blork with unid'd wand of enslavement; he now appears to be a permanent follower 14:06:10 mumra: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:06:14 !messages 14:06:15 (1/2) dpeg said (5h 38m 55s ago): Are you aware of https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7218 ? Some interesting comments about convokers further down. 14:06:20 !messages 14:06:21 (1/1) dpeg said (5h 32m 34s ago): Sorry for false alarm! Too many devs :) 14:06:31 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06:31 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:06:52 I'd like to fix some more, are there any issues that need particular attention besides those on mantis? 14:09:34 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3071-g7578187: Style/arrangement nit in misc.h 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7578187beb97 14:09:34 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3072-ged49aa2: Regularize auto-ID of clarity. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed49aa200984 14:09:36 galehar: thanks for the clear words on DS Nightstalker thread 14:10:05 mumra: yes, sorry! 14:10:31 dpeg: np, i saw the backlog! 14:11:11 AriaB: thanks! maybe mumra can point you to the more pressing issues. He's been sorting through them lately 14:11:55 That'd be great. Is there anything I can help you with mumra? 14:12:08 AriaB: Also, fixing bugs is a good way to contribute while learning the code. Maybe focus on parts which interest you most. So tell us. 14:13:10 dpeg: yeah, although I'm not sure what to make of crate's comment. I think it's ok that it changes the game more than the others. 14:13:22 Tell you what interests me? 14:13:45 AriaB: basically, there are about 1200 open tickets on mantis :( looking through the really old pages, i find a ton of stuff that's already fixed or can easily be closed 14:14:06 but there are still a ton of ancient bugs that've never been fixed 14:14:40 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3073-g8446c43: Typo fix. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8446c439fe31 14:15:20 so it's actually pretty useful just going through the older pages of bugs and seeing what' 14:15:21 galehar: agreed 14:15:32 what's still relevant 14:15:36 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:19 Sure thing, I can keep doing that. If you want help with anything specific feel free to ask me as well. 14:16:20 mumra: I had a feeling you closed hundreds of tickets (it's always misleading, I know from my own puny attempts at purging) 14:16:40 yeah there were 1500 open a week or two ago :) 14:17:02 i didn't close all of them, but i think my effort encourage other people to go through and prune some as well 14:17:25 Is there a way to search on mantis for issues by those who comment on them? I'm having trouble finding the issues I have contributed to because I have to remember them by name. 14:19:38 AriaB: i just searched for "AriaB" in the text field on the main search panel and it brought up issues you've commented on 14:20:12 Did it? Maybe I am doing it wrong, I got mostly "variable" 14:21:00 "variable"? 14:21:21 because ariab is part of the word variable, unfortunately 14:21:55 AriaB: oh right i see what you mean :P 14:23:06 AriaB: if you have email notifications set up then you should have emails for everything you ever commented on (that's what i use) 14:23:54 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:24:06 Oh that's right. 14:24:53 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:27:17 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:39 Here's one I fixed a while ago but is still open. https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6578 14:29:59 I think the debate as to weather nets doing damage was a bad thing halted it 14:31:40 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:56 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 14:32:03 yeah, nobody commented on it. i have no strong feeling one way or the other on that one. 14:32:16 Me neither. 14:32:30 how much damage to nets actually do? 14:32:41 hmm, ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE seems to do nothing useful on artefacts :-( 14:32:59 it just makes the {tried} disappear 14:33:12 I didn't test that too much but it seems like an issue for people fighting high level net throwers and most likely just getting killed with only a few hp left by a net. 14:33:39 -!- ryansee_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33:41 I don't know the commands for irc to lookup death causes. 14:34:13 -!- tibbles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37:33 AriaB: your patch does indeed seem to fix #5089 14:37:51 AriaB: the net will rarely be the actual kill reason, I think 14:37:57 However, seems like I can't reproduce #6675 14:38:41 are those tiles or webtiles or both? 14:39:26 I tested 6675 on tiles and non tiles on ubuntu with make and windows using msgwyn 14:39:45 it's only an issue on the tiles version 14:40:17 I'm surprised you're not having it reproduced; every machine I've tested it on has the bug. 14:40:31 should it be #USE_LOCAL_TILE instead of #USE_TILE 14:41:03 Possibly, I haven't tested with custom tile sets 14:41:09 I'd assume so though 14:41:12 i mean, #USE_TILE_LOCAL 14:41:50 i think USE_TILE means local + webtiles 14:41:51 That's the difference right? One is for custom and one is for default? 14:42:00 ohh hm 14:42:01 USE_TILE_WEB is webtiles 14:42:07 I couldn't test webtiles, not sure how to 14:42:16 but 14:42:27 Or maybe I misunderstood the report 14:42:30 someone mentioned that arena is not playable from webtiles anyway 14:42:37 which text is misaligned? In the message area? 14:42:54 No, that's right, no arena on webtiles 14:42:56 the names on uniques such as sigmund and spell effects 14:43:06 and other minor things 14:43:08 like shadows 14:43:11 and the entire arena 14:43:26 it's supposed to be centered, not in the top left 14:45:28 ok, I didn't see it because I was testing in 800x480 :) 14:45:51 Oh interesting, it's not broken at that resolution? 14:47:04 yes 14:47:54 Makes sense considering it was resolved by calling resize 14:52:39 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:02 AriaB: re the throwing nets deaths do always seem to be from really low damage and there really aren't that many of them 14:56:05 !lg * kaux=~ing_net xl>17 -log 14:56:05 No games for * (kaux=~ing_net xl>17). 14:56:09 !lg * kaux=~ing_net xl>16 -log 14:56:10 1. 78291, XL17 DsCK, T:60132: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/78291/morgue-78291-20121011-025244.txt 14:56:15 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:26 -!- AriaB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:26 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:49 basically it's always a case where anything else the monster chose to do could probably have done more damage anyway :) 14:58:13 Most people agreed that getting by a net was "hilarious" and thus not a bug. 14:58:13 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:58:51 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:55 there are definitely times when something is hilarious but still a bug! 14:59:16 in this case i think it's reasonable that getting entangled in a net would hurt you a little bit 14:59:25 Like Skyrim giants flinging you to the moon. I hope they didn't fix that. 14:59:38 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:59:48 no, they never fixed it. it's pretty great with invincible followers. 15:00:17 I haven't tried that 15:01:05 AriaB: one bug that's pretty annoying is the D:27 part of this: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 15:01:13 (i'm working on the Vaults bit) 15:01:44 but level generation and map code is all pretty hairy so it's not easy to fix 15:02:38 Ok! I'll work on reproducing it. 15:03:08 -!- dcssrubot945 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:31 There aren't many issues I'm aware of that are major blockers, but I'll have a look through other ones i've monitored and post anything that looks like it should be fixed 15:04:56 a big problem is issues where nobody every reached an agreement how to resolve it 15:06:26 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:06:31 that makes sense; I tend to avoid the ones that are unresolved but had a lot of debate 15:07:47 hmm, https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6373 15:08:00 i think there are a couple of other bugs about hell effects causing the player penance 15:08:55 -!- syraine is now known as flish 15:09:02 -!- flish is now known as syraine 15:09:18 with jiyva or in general? 15:09:57 AriaB, mumra: I think it's pretty clear nets doing damage is a bug, really... comments in the code say that nets shouldn't do damage, player nets don't do damage, etc 15:10:10 and they can actually do quite a bit of damage, from monsters that usually don't have any ranged attacks 15:10:20 Portal projectile angers TSO without prompt by Sticking 15:10:20 !lg * recent vmsg=~throwing net max=dam x=dam 15:10:20 54. [dam=22] SedStubbie the Martial Artist (L10 DrMo), worshipper of Jiyva, hit from afar by a hill giant (throwing net) on D:12 on 2012-11-20 14:36:47, with 6778 points after 9524 turns and 1:14:34. 15:10:36 er, what "oklob plant (annihilator|demonologist|conjurer|summoner)" in non-sprint games? WTF? 15:10:48 there's a zot stair vault with oklob plant summoner 15:10:53 yeah... 15:10:57 i don't know why it exists 15:11:01 AriaB: other gods with ally conducts 15:11:50 when I noticed that vault first, I've misread it as spawning regular oklobs. Quirky but acceptable. 15:11:53 but these... 15:12:51 I didn't do it! (I wouldn't have problems with very rare bizarre oklob vaults, though.) 15:13:45 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:14:40 a comment elsewhere says "sprint only, too unhinged for regular games" 15:14:53 sure 15:15:23 there's one sprint based on those, themed around silly plants and plant-lover monsters 15:15:44 I don't think a single vault like this breaks the game though... it's a question of humour, I guess. Do you accept the joke or not? (I don't mind either way.) 15:16:18 it is a zot stairs it's used for 15:16:34 I hear it sometimes gets all three downstairs, so it's not really optional content 15:16:41 and it seems to be fairly common from hearing people mention it in ##crawl 15:17:06 +1 for keeping such things in sprint 15:17:08 and just in sprint 15:18:20 -!- eternal_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:35 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:02 * SamB didn't know sprint *had* stairs 15:33:16 SamB: exactly 15:33:26 it's not about vaults with oklobs around stairs, these are ok 15:33:29 heh 15:33:33 this vault has spellcasting oklobs 15:33:43 yeah, I know 15:34:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:19 replace them with berserking oklobs 15:34:38 -!- cocofalco has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:38 that did sound kind of crazy but what do I know; I don't get far enough to be prepared to fight oklobs anyway ... 15:34:46 lol 15:34:49 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:34:52 that ... wouldn't work, would it? 15:41:07 MarvinPA: So I confirmed your bug from 3 years and 10 days back. Don't you feel so validated? 15:42:52 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:49 SamB: I was joking 15:50:01 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:55:16 AriaB: your patch is in 15:55:26 Hurray! Thanks :) 15:55:31 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 15:55:52 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-3074-g0514f37: Fix handling of fullwidth characters when wrapping east asian languages. 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 18+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0514f37608a6 15:55:52 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-3075-g7097029: [Transifex] Rewrap japanese and chinese resources. 10(2 hours ago, 16 files, 621+ 378-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7097029f20af 15:55:52 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-3076-gc5a145d: [Transifex] Some new japanese translations. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 194+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5a145d121c7 15:55:52 03AriaB 07* 0.12-a0-3077-g1032866: Fixed arena mode tiles misalignment. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1032866fd3c0 15:55:52 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-3078-g9add87f: [txc] Improve detection of link entries. 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9add87f50e59 15:55:52 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-3079-gc8fdda4: [Transifex] Remove some duplicate entries. 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 70-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8fdda4f609f 15:55:52 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-3080-g9ed62d5: New title screen inspired by Kikubaaqudgha (psiweapon, #6829). 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ed62d50bd18 15:55:52 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-3081-gb325f11: Don't spawn demonic guardians when worshipping Oka. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b325f1192e33 15:55:55 The arena one right? 15:56:41 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:44 Hell effects are different depending on the subbranch right? 15:58:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:00:23 yes 16:01:35 I'm trying to reproduce the one given as an example with the "freezing capors" incuring piety loss. I'm able to get jellies killed by the effect but there doesn't seem to be a piety hit and the message text is "the jelly dies" and not "you kill the jelly" 16:01:58 oh, i'm pretty sure that was fixed fairly recently 16:02:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02:11 maybe the mantis issue just wasn't closed 16:02:27 Ah, maybe so. Here's the issue if it needs to be closed then: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6373 16:02:32 %git 68c0ba132ba6b 16:02:32 03DracoOmega * 0.12-a0-2584-g68c0ba1: Don't blame the player for the result of Hell effects 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68c0ba132ba6 16:02:42 looks like dracoomega fixed it, yeah 16:03:11 thanks, resolved it 16:03:17 np :) 16:03:18 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:18 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 16:03:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:19 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:36 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:07:08 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 16:09:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19:57 -!- tibbles_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:24:13 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26:14 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:05 -!- eternal_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:27:06 !tell dpeg Yes, I've looked at the thread. There's a fair bit of misinformation about some of the convoker restrictions/mechanics, though 16:27:07 DracoOmega: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 16:31:18 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3082-gfe8e775: Don't leak item information when targetting monsters with agony or hibernation 10(23 hours ago, 7 files, 23+ 16-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe8e7753e0a0 16:31:18 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3083-g42e6b2f: Make player_will_anger_monster return a proper answer when used with monster types 10(53 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=42e6b2f7096d 16:31:18 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3084-g447f7ce: Make monsters with corpse-violating spells incompatible with Fedhas 10(51 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=447f7ce37ad6 16:31:18 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3085-gf64331b: Make shadow creatures never summon creatures incompatible with your god 10(49 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f64331b8c2b7 16:31:18 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-3086-gd918db6: Make shadow creatures (and scrolls of summoning) no longer unholy 10(40 minutes ago, 4 files, 2+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d918db639b72 16:33:18 -!- dcssrubot301 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:47 DracoOmega: do you know of any way that a wand of enslavement could have perma-charmed blork the orc? 16:37:03 (i'm wondering if it could have anything to do with beogh/follower changes) 16:37:15 Not off-hand. I'm not sure why that should be affected, either 16:37:41 I mean, there is code in the attitude change that affects follower lists, but nothing that should affect that, I think. I can double-check, though 16:37:44 it's very weird. i couldn't reproduce it after the first time. the wand was un-id'd (and i think it didn't even identify when he was charmed) 16:38:06 That sounds especially odd 16:38:37 DracoOmega: I did V:$ the otherday with the new monster, they seem quite fun 16:38:58 Always nice to hear :) 16:39:12 didn't find convokers too scary myself, the first one I found was, but after that I wanded them and they go down fairly easily 16:39:39 I had originally thought to buff their hp a little, but then a bunch of people seem to find them scary as-is 16:39:46 They do seem to die quite quickly though 16:40:07 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:40:58 well, it's perfectly possible that people who still think they're scary just don't know they're easy to wand or such 16:41:03 somehow he got attitude friendly but didn't get the charmed enchantment so there was nothing to time out 16:41:10 pretty spooky 16:41:15 elliott: Wouldn't surprise me, given some outright impossible scenarios in that tavern thread 16:41:16 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41:37 Like where a convoker summoned a gold dragon (they can't do this) 16:42:37 i had a convoker on vaults:7 and it literally summoned mennas from D:27 16:42:46 and then i died, clearly needs nerfing 16:42:56 Heh 16:43:10 elliott: depending on Oka piety Mennas might have neutral if you'd seen him before on d:27 16:43:19 haha 16:43:24 Well, also the bit about it summoning 10 things before he could retreat from Mara sounds questionable, given that this requires a whole lot of turns 16:43:54 well some players can only retreat from things when the low hitpoint warning comes up 16:44:39 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 16:47:13 mumra: Well, the wand seems to add ENCH_CHARM without fail, so I'm not sure why this would happen? 16:47:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47:41 And nothing in the companion code directly interacts with charm, or does anything to affect the friendliness of mobs 16:47:49 It just tracks (and stops tracking) monsters based on how this value changes 16:47:55 Without ever changing it itself 16:48:24 DracoOmega: maybe something failed when ENCH_CHARM expired .. or maybe it was just wizmode weirdness! 16:48:48 Possibly. My gut feeling is that whatever the issue is, the cause lies elsewhere than what I've touched 16:49:10 Note that ENCH_CHARM does NOT set monster attitude to friendly 16:49:25 It's just that a friendly check checks whether they are friendly OR charmed 16:49:44 maybe it was a wand of bugginess 16:49:45 So these are different states internally 16:54:27 -!- aleksiL_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55:03 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 16:56:34 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:28 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:02:23 -!- aleksiL has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:13 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:03:42 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:05:11 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:36 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:31 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:11:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:12:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17:49 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:10 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:18:38 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [] 17:20:28 -!- Killerpretzel has quit [] 17:25:09 How do people feel about either making alarm traps not one-shot now that they actually do something you'd notice, or just make monsters not trigger and consume them before a player potentially could? (The latter also has some potentially bad interactions with using summons to set them off, as then no mark happens) 17:27:10 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3087-g8574f93: Properly mark a variable as unused. 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8574f93c7518 17:27:10 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3088-ge3ae05d: Simplify res_petrify() usage, since it's currently a boolean. 10(20 minutes ago, 5 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3ae05df6f02 17:27:10 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3089-g8f76911: Remove an unneeded break. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f76911dad39 17:27:10 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3090-gef011c8: Tweak cloud avoidance logic to avoid breaking out of the switch statement. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef011c8752af 17:29:36 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:29:56 * kilobyte heard just the word "trap". So I'll mutter "remove" and leave it at that. 17:33:33 DracoOmega: making monsters not trigger them sounds okay to me 17:34:05 * kilobyte hates traps working inconsistently even more than traps in general. 17:34:07 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:34:58 Well, a warning system against hostiles would make sense not to be triggered by non-hostiles 17:35:15 (Mark only works on players anyway, so it's inconsistent currently in that regard) 17:35:24 i generally think it makes sense for dungeon denizens to know where traps are and how to avoid them 17:35:25 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35:46 mumra: that's already implemented: intelligent native denizens know that 17:36:13 yes of course 17:36:34 but also, if you were going to rig up an alarm in a dungeon, you'd design so it wouldn't be set off by every passing rat 17:37:11 Set off and destroyed, no less! 17:37:19 03mumra 07[new-layouts] * 0.12-a0-3020-gb9d4140: Respect doors as passable for connectivity 10(11 minutes ago, 4 files, 13+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9d41409bd76 17:37:19 03mumra 07[new-layouts] * 0.12-a0-3021-ga533c0e: Properly fix namespace clash 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a533c0e6584a 17:37:19 03mumra 07[new-layouts] * 0.12-a0-3022-g49c4edb: Cave town layout (incomplete but looking nice) 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 72+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49c4edb35cdb 17:37:50 traps were made one-shot when there was no mark 17:38:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:42:53 btw if anyone wants to give layout feedback, there are several new generators on that branch now; not a priority for .12 but some of them are definitely good enough already to go in 17:43:44 What about newVaults and 0.12, by the way? I think probably the grid layouts at least should be given a higher room density again, if nothing else changes 17:44:08 The other day I tried to do some profiling on your lua, but I couldn't get either profiling tool I found to work properly there >.> 17:44:16 TPS (L19 HOFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1334 failed. (D (Sprint)) 17:44:39 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:44:40 Possibly I just do not understand lua well enough, but Crawl's implementation seemed to be missing some system libraries maybe? And when I tried to replace a timer class with one declared there, apparently it doesn't work on Windows? 17:44:52 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45:01 hmm 17:45:48 It would be really nice to see that info, though 17:46:06 -!- Kratok has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:46:15 well, it's not hard to write a really uber simple profiler library. i'll have a go at some point to find out where the major bottlenecks are. 17:46:29 (My experience with lua is basically non-existant, admittedly) 17:46:57 But however I was trying to include these profiler tools wasn't working and then I gave up for a bit >.> 17:47:05 -!- Kratok has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:27 it might have an issue with the amount of anonymous functions getting passed around 17:47:35 No, no, it was more fundamental than that 17:47:40 ok 17:47:48 Like I said, it might have been my fault 17:48:27 Or possibly Crawl's implementation of lua is actually just missing some stuff? (I think it is slightly custom, but I could be wrong there, too?) 17:48:56 but i definitely agree with upping the iterations on certain layouts (although i haven't really had any other feedback on this) 17:49:28 Like we need more RAM for the profiler to work? Or maybe it needs lua patches? 17:50:01 mumra: Well, keep in mind that probably the number of people who have seen Vaults since the change was made, and are also people who would give feedback, is fairly small 17:50:22 I just regenerated a ton of maps, myself :P 17:50:28 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:51:47 i try and spectate people in V when i remember to, gives a good idea how the spaces play out 17:52:44 Yeah, I did that with my monsters for a bit, when I noticed it happening 17:53:23 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:53:43 annoyingly nobody is ever in gehenna and the only time i found someone there they died after about 2 mins 17:54:04 Yes, a very small percentage of games ever get there :P 17:54:13 people die in Geh outside Geh:7? 17:54:15 And mostly it is a very brief stay, aside from the bottom floor 17:56:18 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:56:33 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56:36 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:56:54 !lm * br.enter=Geh 17:57:07 4379. [2013-03-26 18:11:45] tsouns the Axe Maniac (L27 HOCK) entered Gehenna on turn 81526. (Hell) 17:57:43 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:03:24 -!- dcssrubot279 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:07 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:52 !tell edlothiol webtiles in non-DGL mode crash on startup. It'd be nice to have them operative in 0.12, there's a crapload of systems where GL tiles don't work or work badly. 18:07:53 kilobyte: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 18:09:17 !tell edlothiol heck, we could even make a .desktop file launch a browser pointed to localhost, making it nearly transparent to the user. 18:09:18 kilobyte: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 18:10:38 Webtiles doesn't work on windows at all, though. It won't even compile 18:10:58 -!- Kratok has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:13:17 yeah, but Windows themselves are resource-hungry enough that it's rare to not have a decent graphics card. So people will have corrupted display but it will at least usually work. 18:13:50 on the other hand, among popular Unix setups you have raspi, chroots on phones, etc 18:14:00 What kind of corrupted display are we talking about, anyway? 18:14:15 * kilobyte points to Mantis. 18:15:19 heck, I have yet to see a Windows setup fully working :p 18:15:34 Well, I've seen at least 3 18:15:36 Personally 18:15:44 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:50 Wait, 4 18:16:11 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:39 I mean, sorry, it works on my current box natively, but not in a VM 18:17:08 it did not work on my previous one, nor on my box in my old job 18:17:45 Well, I've actually yet to encounter a computer that it did not work fine on 18:18:03 No experience with doing it via VM, of course 18:18:14 you don't do enough testing then :p 18:19:02 I mean, an array of VMs is _awesome_ for checking a bunch of various Windows versions, but you don't get the typical graphics drivers 18:19:26 In this case, I would assume VMs are considerably more prone to these kinds of problems than native installations are 18:19:42 Hardware support is sometimes dodgy, I hear? 18:19:43 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:20:06 Not that sound is much of an issue with Crawl at least :P 18:20:10 2/3 of machines I had, had corrupted tiles on Windows 18:20:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:20:41 natively that is 18:20:52 -!- eternal_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 18:20:55 (sorry, cat on the keyboard, it's hard to type) 18:22:23 How old were these systems? 18:25:29 -!- BlackSheep_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:03 builds appear to be broken 18:27:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:31 mon-util.h:14:21: fatal error: mon-mst.h: No such file or directory 18:27:47 http://angband.pl/tmp/wintiles.png 18:27:48 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28:37 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:41 BlackSheep_: what platform? 18:28:47 ubuntu 18:29:20 I did recently move the include from that from mon-util.cc to mon-util.h (when I made a function public) but it built fine for me 18:29:30 mon-mst.h is autogenerated, though. Maybe it doesn't always generate beforehand? 18:30:34 DracoOmega: ugh, that include goes into a lot of places 18:31:13 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:31:13 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 18:32:06 kilobyte: It was so that player_will_anger_monster(monster_type) could properly check for hated spells 18:32:12 Thus it needed to initialize spells 18:32:26 Possibly it could just instead initialize the whole dummy monster, but most of that information was unnecessary 18:32:41 But I just did a make clean just then and it still builds fine for me 18:32:58 DracoOmega: it's a race condition 18:33:13 depends on what exactly you have already built, too 18:33:27 Does it not build in a predictable order? 18:33:45 only with -j1 18:34:07 and even that is AFAIK a quirk of the current implementation of make rather than something guaranteed 18:34:12 Well, I mean, I would have assumed that autogenerated files themselves needed for compilation might all be taken care of first 18:34:23 But I guess not? 18:34:30 you'd need an explicit dependency 18:35:04 I would avoid including an autogenerated file without a really good reason, though, as that causes rebuilds 18:35:26 especially in a header that's pulled by pretty much everything 18:35:54 Okay, so maybe just better to revert that part and use define_monster() instead 18:36:03 Even if that does a bunch of extra unnecessary work 18:36:08 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:36:11 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 18:37:25 One way or another, the monster's spells have to be initialized from its type here, though 18:37:45 oh, that code will break for any monster with a variable spell set 18:37:57 or ghost_demon 18:38:49 It's not 100% correct, but much closer to correct than currently (only one variable spell set has an example that fails a test the others pass) 18:39:02 As opposed to giving a wrong answer for a great many common things 18:39:18 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:38 IIRC shadow creatures can summon everything, including even pan lords 18:39:54 Really? I have never heard of it summoning pan lords 18:40:17 if they're set as the random monster set for the level 18:40:39 are they ever? 18:40:52 Ziggurat (perhaps), ZotDef (quite sure) 18:41:30 Well, it mostly doesn't matter there anyway, since good gods will already consider them evil regardless of their spells 18:41:38 And I don't think they can start with corpse violating spells? 18:41:46 (Maybe I'm wrong on that one, though) 18:42:25 animate dead 18:42:29 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:42 They can really get that? Despite being in corpseless places? 18:43:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:43:05 twisted res 18:43:59 neither Zigs, Zot nor D are corpseless, and they all can have pan lords; the latter two during the orb run 18:44:43 How many corpses will still be around in D on the orb run, really? I suppose there could be some marginal use in rare cases, but... 18:47:11 I guess it's because they use the same tables as pghosts, and no one special-cased this 18:48:23 Well, no one would normally notice that they had the spell, since they wouldn't be using it 18:49:15 shouldn't they just not get those spells 18:50:45 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:45 beh, this kind of makes me want to disable the spell and rework it later 18:56:50 That seems like a poor solution here 18:57:21 In any case, it doesn't look like you can summon pan lords in pan lord zig levels with shadow creatures, as far as I can see 18:57:27 So maybe just Zot def has this issue? 18:58:28 I mean, all that "shadow creatures somehow being not evil" thing 18:58:47 Why SHOULD they be evil, though? 18:58:57 They don't act evil or respond in ways that evil things normally do 18:59:00 And haven't since forever 18:59:07 its theme, messages, dismissal, etc 18:59:22 you could have a spell "summon any" instead, if you want to summon living stuff 18:59:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:00:03 Its messages are evil how? 19:00:43 at least not sounding like something TSO would approve 19:00:51 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:00:58 with his obsession about light 19:01:08 Then why doesn't he disapprove of darkness? 19:01:12 If this is really a thing 19:01:46 if you mean darkness the spell, he does cancel it 19:02:08 Halo cancels it out because it's bright, yes? 19:02:09 the moment you enter any haloed spot, including own halo 19:02:12 But he doesn't actually disapprove 19:03:23 yeah, there's rather little reason for that as the spell is mostly useless even if you're in penance 19:03:40 'Mostly useless' has never been a reason gods have not disapproved of things before 19:03:53 The point is that darkness is not EVIL, it's just physically dark 19:04:44 well, we have a god who's literally shining 19:05:01 with all three good gods having messages that mention spreading light 19:05:09 Sure, he likes the light a whole lot 19:05:55 But stuff summoned by shadow creatures don't exactly seem anti-light either, and he DOES get upset if you mistread hostile ones 19:09:08 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:09:34 In any case, whether or not TSO disapproves is orthagonal to it not summoning creatures opposed by non-good gods 19:09:34 DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:11:05 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:13 -!- Kratok has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:39 Well, I'm happy to have sparked an interesting discussion. I'll just reset to a prior commit until it's fixed 19:17:49 -!- BlackSheep_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:46 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 19:23:01 In any case, I need to leave for a while, but I'll patch something about that header later today if no one else does it first 19:23:08 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:23 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:33 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:27:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:33:30 -!- dcssrubot971 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:50 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 19:39:22 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:04 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:43:35 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:49:29 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:49:43 !tell DracoOmega looking at define_monster(), any waste is a few RNG calls, so I see no real reason to optimize that much. Banning ghost_demons altogether would be good, though. 19:49:44 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 20:09:35 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:18 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:48 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3091-g01320a9: Don't rely on monster spellbook enums for checking monster spells. 10(47 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01320a98554f 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3092-gd476fa4: Don't use "" as a brand name. 10(6 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d476fa4036ea 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3093-g341e9fb: Make status lists diffable. 10(6 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=341e9fbc8a96 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3094-ge3e6d37: Disable a vault. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3e6d37fb500 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3095-g8f39630: Don't spam "You cannot train any new skill." over and over. 10(5 hours ago, 4 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f39630395b9 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3096-gbb8af0d: Depermanentify Tengu/Black Drac flight upon losing level. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb8af0d4b9f4 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3097-g7eaaf63: Fix autoexplore ignoring sacrificable corpses if you step on them once. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7eaaf63a1013 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3098-g571f73b: Fix teleporter vault trapping players. 10(4 hours ago, 6 files, 14+ 39-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=571f73be4f79 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3099-g57d6147: Tentatively rename "teleporter" to "short-range portal". 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57d6147c16a3 20:24:12 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3100-gbf9b4ab: Clear lua dgn.persist between mapstat iterations. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf9b4ab4fa55 20:24:12 ... and 4 more commits 20:32:51 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:56 -!- Wehk has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 20:37:13 -!- cocofalco has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:43:19 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 20:46:23 -!- johnstein_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:07 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:49:17 -!- johnstein_ is now known as johnstein 20:49:44 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:50:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:45 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:18 -!- Ero is now known as Eronarn 21:01:09 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:15 hai 21:03:31 meow! 21:03:34 -!- dcssrubot552 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:09 kilobyte: do you use ever github? the folks in #github can't tell me how to update a pull request 21:04:57 never did anything more complex than a simple push/pull there 21:06:36 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 21:07:27 Don't get too pushy with them. :) 21:10:31 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:49 kilobyte: has fungiform been... growing on you? 21:11:55 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:14:12 I got fungiformed recently. 21:14:14 It was amusing,. 21:14:26 (Xom is amused.) 21:14:36 <3 Xom 21:14:53 should we add spore clouds that dissipate into fungus/toadstools? 21:15:32 and other fungal life forms 21:15:41 (like WH40k ones) 21:15:54 if you know what I mean 21:16:10 uhh.. what species is that? 21:16:17 CSM? 21:16:28 orks 21:16:34 WAAAAGH!!!!!! 21:16:47 (fr: 1/10 chance of replacing "roars a battlecry" with that) 21:17:05 bh: you push something else to the branch you specified in the pull request 21:17:13 SamB: thanks :) 21:19:46 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:20:36 kilobyte: you didn't like my kludge to make the confuse brand unnameable? 21:23:02 "kludge" 21:23:06 Therein lies the problem. <_< 21:23:42 Grunt: FR: Everybody Hurts Brand. Everyone takes 2x damage. 21:23:53 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:23:58 That sounds like an aura or spell effect. 21:24:27 ...and it should only work sometimes 21:24:28 I mean, I figured it ought to go away in the next major-version bump ... 21:24:53 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:19 * SamB goes to see what kilobyte actually did 21:26:07 -!- thetao has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:28:03 big brass brand 21:31:47 kilobyte: what do you mean, the brand is banned? 21:31:48 SamB: the assertion was not needed, without it it works like any timed brand 21:32:07 SamB: still not allowed by makeitem 21:32:25 so I can't accidentally make a vault that spawns these things? 21:32:33 "accidentally" 21:33:04 :p 21:33:26 or, say, accidentally make one in wizmode (that was a real accident, I didn't know it was bogus!) 21:33:43 too powerful for real play, I guess 21:34:09 could be enabled for wizmode 21:34:44 ??kludge 21:34:44 I don't have a page labeled kludge in my learndb. 21:34:45 I was trying to test monsters using it on me ;-P 21:34:47 ??kludge brand 21:34:48 I don't have a page labeled kludge_brand in my learndb. 21:36:40 kilobyte: I still think that brand is supposed to be in a different range of the enum 21:38:10 you didn't touch the comment where I said that, did you 21:38:13 did you read it? 21:41:16 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:41:21 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 21:42:07 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:20 kilobyte: you know, the part where I went: 21:42:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:56 * SamB triest to paste from X into win32 ... 21:43:08 - SPWPN_CONFUSE, 21:43:09 + SPWPN_CONFUSE, // XXX not a real weapon brand, only for Confusing Touch 21:43:57 heh. 21:44:18 by which I meant that this entry should really be below: 21:44:24 NUM_REAL_SPECIAL_WEAPONS, 21:45:08 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:42 but I didn't want to actually move it because it seemed like it would be tricky to avoid breaking the format 21:45:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:53 though now I realize it would be easy if we just left a dummy there for the moment 21:46:24 since no *normal* game is going to have any weapons with that brand 21:47:07 and for any games that *have* that, the players are surely able to work out a solution ... 21:47:33 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:47:55 right; I would use some string other than "" though 21:48:11 like "buggy"? 21:48:39 hmm, would "ego: " have made those? 21:48:53 if so, "" was indeed pointless 21:49:06 buggrit. Something about a 1000 year shrimp. 21:49:39 I *suppose* "buggy" would work well enough too 21:51:35 oh, the other thing was I didn't want to have to wait while everything rebuilt. Not that I didn't anyway ... 21:51:36 4am, bleh 21:51:44 * kilobyte runs. 21:52:51 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:12 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:17 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:44 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:27 -!- blerud has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:12:03 -!- johnstein has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 22:12:23 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:20 -!- Blazinghand_ is now known as Blazinghand 22:23:43 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:27:22 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 22:27:22 -!- [1]Egglet is now known as Egglet 22:33:40 -!- dcssrubot657 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:37 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:35:46 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:37:18 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:11 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:31 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:55 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3105-g236f2ed: Move SPWPN_CONFUSE after NUM_REAL_SPECIAL_WEAPONS on next major version bump. 10(16 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=236f2ed53f48 22:48:10 I knew he read this stuff 22:48:44 hi dolorous 22:52:39 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:43 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:19 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3106-g534313d: Add comments about jewellery auto-ID fail, including #1083 10(7 hours ago, 2 files, 18+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=534313db4028 23:17:23 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:03 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:20:13 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:18 -!- eeviac_ is now known as eeviac 23:21:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:22 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:31 here's an old issue: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2213 23:25:42 should we trim the {god gift} inscription once an item is identified? 23:25:56 the item description now says "[foo] gifted it to you on level x of the dungeon" 23:26:16 can you search for that? 23:26:38 I like the {god gift} 23:26:44 I don't see why it should matter whether it's identified or not 23:27:24 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:27:37 it is kind of redundant though once you've identified it and decided whether you're keeping it or not 23:28:26 so? 23:28:44 how is the game suppposed to know when that is? 23:28:58 well it's "wasted space" according to that issue (kilobyte's words) 23:29:00 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:14 hugeterm ftw! 23:29:22 SamB: i mean once you've identified it. at that point you will have decided. 23:30:07 mumra: that's an assumption I don't buy 23:30:14 I can be pretty indecisive 23:30:25 I don't use it to decide whether I keep it or not 23:30:46 I use it to know whether it's a god gift or not, and also something like randart properties are 20x noisier in inventory lines anyway 23:30:48 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:30:54 also I might be trying to remember where exactly I left it 23:31:07 (and the line in the description is inaccessible / obscure / etc. and I'm not sure it can be searched for) 23:31:45 * SamB sees a gospel pamphlet called "how to be sure" and thinks "nuke 'em from orbit!" 23:31:51 I'd rather keep the {god gift} too 23:32:27 it's nice to know how much of your equipment was gifted by oka, say 23:32:37 without having to individually inspect each item 23:33:32 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:34:45 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:35:01 good, issue closed 23:35:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:24 !seen ontoclasm 23:37:24 I last saw ontoclasm at Wed Mar 27 02:36:47 2013 UTC (2h 37s ago) saying 'but i am... unsurprised' on ##crawl. 23:38:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:38:27 -!- hart has quit [Client Quit] 23:39:27 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 23:42:31 i'm here 23:42:50 when i try to drink !invis it says i cant turn invisible 23:43:00 but what if im just drinking it for the nutrition 23:43:15 learn add faq 23:45:11 ontoclasm: if i find old graphics uploads should i assign them to you? or are you working back through the category anyway? 23:45:44 i've looked through all the open graphics issues 23:45:54 if you find ones that are like 23:46:02 assigned to someone who won't do them or something 23:46:31 or if you find ones that are really good, i guess 23:46:36 then sure, assign them to me 23:46:48 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 23:46:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 23:48:11 * SamB remembers when this happened: . It was cool, having a chance to experience an actual earthquake! 23:48:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]